WEBVTT - Ne-Yo 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.320 You and Taylor Smith will make a cute couple. Y'all. 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.040 All right, y'all be killing, y'all be killing y'all. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.520 Man Dale, Oh the tailor one on me. I'm toxic, 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:13.440 shall all my life, grinding all. 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.400 My life, sacrifice, hustle, P pricing one slice. Got the 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.800 brother geis swap all my life, Poppy, grinding all my life, 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.560 all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifights, hustle, p 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:31.360 pricing one slice, Doctor brother geiswap all my life, iop 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.680 be grinding all my life. 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.680 Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shasha. I am 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.520 your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Shaha, 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.640 and the guy that's stopping by for conversation and a 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.000 drink today is a three time Grammy Award winning hit maker, 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.920 a multi platinum selling singer, iconic songwriter, pop basalist, R 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:55.080 and B powerhouse dancer, composer, producer, internationally acclaimed recognized. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.200 And a live, very very live and all the way 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:58.000 live performer. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.200 Neil you doing, I'm good, but you'll stop eybody man 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:03.720 to give me a coming bite of your time today. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:05.000 Thank you for having me. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.640 My research. If my research is correct, you're a vodka drinker. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.520 Yes, yes, I don't have vodka, but I have my 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.480 very own Konjact. I would be honored if you would 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.600 have a toast to your success and my success. You want, Hey, 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:20.480 we're not gonna tell the club because you know the 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.479 brown people, the brown make it tell the club up. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:23.840 We're not gonna tell the club up. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.680 Tonight I saw good. I happily do it. 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:33.600 Absolutely, appreciate you, bro yesterday you know just the doctor. 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:36.440 It is new. 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.679 You had this while I had. We went since twenty 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:52.960 twenty one. Cool all success, brod smooth, you know a 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.200 little something acute ever we want. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.640 We beat twelve hundred knjacts at the Simple Wards the 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.360 best tastes in Kangjact in twenty twenty two. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.400 So I appreciate you doing that. So how you doing. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.880 I'm good man, I'm in a good space, real a 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:05.440 good space. 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.720 I appreciate you stopping by. I know you had a 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.519 big gig in Vegas. Actually we were on the plane 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.000 flying back together yesterday. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:13.960 I was like, bad, I don't know if he just 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:14.560 going have But. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.200 Now luckily I am virtually It's impossible for me to 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.200 stay awake on the airplane. That's where I catch up 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.440 on my sleep, even though that was like a thirteen 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.959 second flight. Right still here, Oh yeah, I can't stay 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.440 awake on the plane. The second butt touch seat, I'm gone. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.400 I don't want the water. I don't want to Peanut, 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.079 don't you You're just gone gone whole time. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:38.240 Let's get right into it. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:43.480 The AI generated songs we see that Drake is complaining about. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.240 I think he had a song with the Weekend generated 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.000 twenty million strings in forty eight hours. He complained about 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.280 the song that he made with an ice Spice. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:52.919 Where is your what is your stance on this? 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:58.520 I'm just okay. I feel like technology is very much 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.680 like fire. It can destroy or it can warm a home, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.440 you know what I mean. Like, it's about it's about 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.600 the way you use it. However, this specific technology, what 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:10.160 is the good aspect of it? 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:10.440 Like? 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.359 What is the positive aspect of this technology? Like? What 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:15.840 good thing are they going to do with it? Because 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.600 I can totally see all the bad things that can 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.840 be done. Right, It's like, you know, somebody said to 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.880 me the other day, they have an AI now where 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.440 you can tell the AI to write a song in 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.840 the form of neo right, and then there's another AI 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.680 you can go to and get Neo's voice to sing 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.960 said song that was just written in the form of Neo. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.080 So basically, what does that mean? Neo no longer need it? 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.000 So I'm like, what is it? What is the what 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.000 is the endgame with this? Like, I don't, I don't. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.760 I don't understand what the positive aspect of this technology is. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.080 So you're telling me that there's an AI that can says, okay, 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:51.440 basically be a ghost writer. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.440 Write a song like Neo, using words that Neo may use, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:57.840 tones that Neo may use, and then you can go 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.000 to another AI and get Neo's voice to sing that song. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.120 Do you think record companies are going to head in 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:03.680 this direction? 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.200 I don't know, that's the thing, because I don't. I 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.400 don't understand. Even with this Drake thing right now, right 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.760 twenty million streams and however many streams of twenty four 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.240 So that's that's money that's kind of just sitting there. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.880 Who gets paid? Who they get that money to? Like? 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.240 Am I like, how how. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.880 If your soul you feel you should be getting monetizing. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.599 That If it's it's his voice, it's his voice used 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.720 to us through AI, Like he I feel like he 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.080 should get something for that, because they're using his voice. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.719 I'm more than certain he didn't give them permission. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.200 You feeling somebody get sued behind this article? 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.920 I listen if saying my voice on it, I might 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.599 be the first to sue. I'm trying to figure out. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.360 I just again, I don't get it. If somebody can 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.920 tell me what the positive aspects of this technology is, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.159 all right, let's figure that out. Now, it's just a 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.400 matter of how they use it. But if it ain't 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.679 no positive aspects, and y'all, now, y'all, just y'all literally 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.520 just taking money out of people's pocket, right, So. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.000 In other words, they're basically trying to cut the artists, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.159 the actual breathing, living artists, out. 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:01.599 Of the equation. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:02.719 That's what it feels like. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.560 We see all these social media TikTok. Are you a 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.200 fan of these like these shorts catchy jingles. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.080 To a degree? I mean, when it's when it's fun, 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.880 it's fun, and that's all I find it good. But 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.919 when all of a sudden, now the radio has to 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.200 play this song because it's so popular on TikTok. Meanwhile, 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.600 the best part of the song you heard on TikTok 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.640 already and the rest of the song is gabbage, you 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.200 know what I mean. It just takes down the quality 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.159 of the music played on the radio. I mean it's again, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.200 it's about the way the technology is used. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.480 So you don't like this trend the word it's. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.560 Headed, not really, man, I mean so I feel like 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.320 people are creating for the algorithm now as opposed to 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.080 creating from from the heart, from the soul, like what 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.160 music is supposed to. Music is supposed to be therapeutic. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.760 Music is supposed to be you as your realist. You 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.440 know what I'm saying. There's things that I can't say 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.280 out loud that I can write in a song and 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.560 be totally all right with you know. So that's that's 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.880 supposed to be the realist version of you. If you're 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.040 writing a song and you're making the song a minute 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.800 and twenty seconds long because of the fact that if 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.200 the song is shorter it'll get streamed more, then you're 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.960 not like you're not writing that. That's nothing. You're not 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.040 saying anything worth being said in my personal opinion, So. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:14.640 I wanted to ask you this. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.880 You do you feel like artists make songs to be 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.640 popular or do they make songs that they really feel 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.720 It seems like me, I'm talking to you, you make 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.120 songs that you feel passionate about and whether you know, yeah, 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.400 obviously you want you wanted to be pop anyone, but 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.039 you're not just specifically trying to make a song that's 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:32.719 gonna be catchy. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.839 That's not my thing. No. Music has been therapy for 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:40.040 me my entire you know what I mean. I credit 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.279 my mother for giving me my first red notebook and 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.120 telling me to write it down. And I was like, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:46.760 write what down? And she's like, I don't give it damn, 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.000 just write it down because she saw that I needed 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.679 an outlet, you know. So that's what music has always 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.919 been for me. So if if I write something, what 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.000 I've always found found for myself is that if I 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.159 write from the heart, people tend to feel it more, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:00.520 thus attends to do better. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:01.200 You know. 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.760 So I've never been I've never been to a place 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.520 where it's like, Okay, let me write something that I 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.360 feel like is gonna make money. That's never been my 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.040 my That's never been my motivating factor, I should say 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:15.160 for music, it's always been about being able to express myself, 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.400 being able to being able to get that thing off 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.120 me if I need, if I need that, That's what 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:20.320 music has always been for me. 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:22.800 So have you always had this gift? 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.640 I mean because obviously you listen to music growing up 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.880 and you know, like, man, I like this, did you 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:28.960 go after you hear a song? 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.360 And do you like? Okay, let me try to write 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.000 something in the paper. 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:36.160 To that degree something like that. I my mom used 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.560 to watch TV with stereo on. Okay, Like music was 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:44.080 always there every day, all day, more than just you know, 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.000 cleaning the house on Sunday morning, Like every single day, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:52.360 it's music blaring out of our house. So it took 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.280 me a minute to take the whole concept of the 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.560 words that I was putting together and then putting these 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.000 melodies with these words and then creating a song. Initially 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.240 it was just kind of like, uh, journal entries, you 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.280 know what I mean, or poems, you know, I find 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.000 a little girl I like, and I write write a 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.040 poem about her hair. Never get a poem to the girl, 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.440 because I wasn't you know, I wasn't that dude. I 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.520 had to grow into that dude anyway. But but yeah, 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:19.280 that was it is what it is now. But well, 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.520 yeah it took a minute to put the two together. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.640 But once I did, like it became all I needed. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.559 Like I didn't need I didn't need any other type 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.720 of therapy. I didn't need anybody to talk to because 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.120 I had my music. I could, I could. You know, 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.840 I wasn't judged by anybody, uh, when it was just 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.440 me and my music. So like it became my best friend. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.320 Growing up. Who were some of the artists that you 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.040 listened to? I don't know. I mean Teddy Pendergrass was 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:45.840 when I growing up. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:52.160 Very white, so classics obviously, you know you had baby 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.080 Face and you had Keith Sweat and you have so 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:59.520 who did Neo Bari or like Okay, I kind of 0:08:59.520 --> 0:08:59.960 like this style. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.680 Like I don't think anybody listening to music in the 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.439 nineties or was around for music in the nineties. I 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.840 don't think any songwriter after that period can say that 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:16.360 they didn't borrow something from Babyface. Yeah, Faces Faces Foundation, right. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:17.000 Uh. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.400 But then to go further back, you're Smokey Robinson. You 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.400 know I have I have five Kings, and these are 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.120 the five artists that I've always wanted to like, you know, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.760 if I could take these five person people on tournament 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:30.920 in one person. This is who Neo was going to be, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:32.040 you know, this is what I was going to So 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:36.160 it was Prince, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Samit Davis, Junior, 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:37.000 Marvin Gaye. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:37.840 So like. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:42.920 So so my entire everything, my entire artistry came from 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:47.000 me just pulling bits and pieces from these five specific artists. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.880 So you're more of a because most of these guys 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.000 wrote a lot of these guys wrote for themselves. So 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.560 you like the you like to write for yourself, but 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.079 you like to write for other artists also. 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:03.679 Indeed, indeed, I I started loving was all writing was 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.000 always my first love. So I'm trying to say Kanye 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:10.200 getting to me again, no no, no, no, but writing 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.720 be even even so much before performing and all of that. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.720 Writing has always been my first love. So yeah, I 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.360 learned that I could do it for other people as well. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.120 Actually started out doing it for other people before I, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.520 you know, got I guess confident enough to find my 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.040 own voice and do the artists. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.280 Like radio streaming, it seems like streaming is kind of 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.280 the way to go. Is like things, you still have 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.959 the radio play, but it seems like streaming is the 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:33.400 way to go. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.520 Now do you have a preference. 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.719 You know what I put it like this, when they 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.320 get the numbers right, when they finally you know, open 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.200 up them books and realize that them laws is one 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.840 hundred plus years old. All the music laws are one 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.160 hundred plus years Okay, every aspect of music has evolved 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:56.240 except the laws. And the laws are how artists make money, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.920 you know what I mean. Like streaming is cool, finding good, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.800 but it's to the point where if you are just 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.760 a songwriter, just a songwriter, it's hard for you to 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:04.959 live off of what you do. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:05.319 Right. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.120 So you know, once they get the numbers right with 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.960 the streaming, I'm all for it. I'm all for you know, 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.720 the evolution of the way people get their music, the 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.280 way people consume the music. I'm all for that. But 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.280 at some point somebody has to go, a wait a minute, 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.400 these guys ain't getting what they work over you, right, 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:22.920 you know what I mean? And that's that's what that's 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.600 where it's at right now. You know, I don't even 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.160 I don't even remember what a stream is right now. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:27.959 But at one point it was like like a fraction 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.240 of opinion. I mean, streams you gotta get before you 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.480 can see any real mind. You know, that's just that's 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:32.840 mess up. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.960 Well, how do you change your system when the system 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.280 is not instituting changes because they benefit the most from it. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.240 That's the problem. That's the problem. I I wish I 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.800 could say that if the people rally together. But again, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:47.920 you know, the people that are pulling, the people that 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.720 are pulling the strings are the people that are benefiting 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.600 the most from the system staying what it is. So yeah, 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.679 it's so uphill battle man. Why don't figure it out? 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.000 Why don't love songs sold like they used to? 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.080 Because you seem like you're back in the day he 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:01.760 got song they I want to beat with you for 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.199 the night. I want to like candles, I want to 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.000 tell the pronographs. I want to turn off the lives 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.720 and run the bath all. I would have a bubble 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.400 baffa do all that now, it seemed like it want 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.880 to be a smashing smashing Dash. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:20.080 Yeah, smashing Dash goes. I like smashing Dash. No, you 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.440 got a songwriter spirit brother smashing Dash. Right. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.319 You know I'm saying that because I don't come to 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.240 me that he gave it out here. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:31.000 Before we started sending some relatives. Brother Rick co written 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:31.520 by what. 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.800 Happened to the real soul love making song that you 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.199 turn old you like, but this. 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:36.960 Is my damn. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.680 I hate to I hate to say it this way, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.360 but there's there's there's really no way to beat around 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.000 the bush. Every genre of music at one point got 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.160 a hip hop makeover, okay, right, country music, country music 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.680 got a hip hop makeover. Right? Hip hop has never 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:59.200 been about love, so to speaker, at least not that farm. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.240 In the world of hip hop, that that love and 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.120 that vulnerability was was looked at its soft right. So 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:10.280 once hip hop became literally the biggest music in the world, 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.439 now all the all the all you please, baby, baby 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.400 please guys is looking at the fact that their audiences 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.120 are shrinking and the hip hop audience is growing. So 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.760 now it's like, all right, well, maybe she don't want 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.800 me to beg no moment. Maybe that's that's what they want. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.120 All right, Well, now I gotta be tough now, now 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.480 I gotta now, I gotta sing the word bitch, what what? 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.480 And and and the women is gonna sing it with me? What? 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.120 This is where we are now, This is where we 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.120 are now, and it's it again, it is what it is. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.600 I cannot be a lover of music and not uh 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.800 find the positive aspects of all genres of music and 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.160 all evolutions of music, But at the same time, when 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.640 an entire genre of music is no longer what it 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:56.440 was at its best moments because of this other genre takeover. Yeah, man, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.800 that don't that don't feel good? That don't feel good. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.360 I heard all the time it's R and B dead. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.520 And if it's not, what, will R and B ever 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:07.560 be what it once was? 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.680 I do not think that R and B is dead. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.600 I think that R and B is going through a 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:18.360 bit of an identity crisis right now. And will R 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.240 and B ever be what it was? I don't think so. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.960 I think that the evolution of music is always going 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.040 to be a forward motion as opposed to a backward 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.600 most I just think that there's going to come a 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.400 point where somebody of this new generation is going to 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.680 realize the power of the way, what the way R 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.280 and B was, and then grab elements of that and 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.520 pull it into whatever the next thing is. That's what 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:44.840 That's what I think it's going to happen. 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.440 Did Auto Tunes ruined R and B? 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.680 It didn't ruin it. It just made the club a 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:57.160 little less elite. You know what I mean? Long long 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.480 you had to that was what it was. You wouln't. 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.120 You couldn't be part of the team if you didn't. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.960 I'll take it even back further than like before me, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.600 before your Joe de season, all that back when it 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.200 was the whole band is in one room. We got 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.240 to record this record. The drums got a microphone, the 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.480 guitar got a microphone, the singer got a microphone, the 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.200 backup singers got microphones. Ready action, you do the whole 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.040 song all the way down. There is no flying taking 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.720 up hook part and copy and pastes. We gotta do 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.200 the whole song every hook sang out the whole every 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:33.120 single time the person messing up your ass out of here, 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.760 bro like na, we gotta start all the way over 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.640 because you missed a note on the bass. Come on, 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.320 But so you had to be like you had to 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.840 be on it. You had to be on it. Now 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.720 you can push a button and get it all, which 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.640 means that the club is not as elite as it 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.240 once was. Now anybody can come in. 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.440 All right, Well, you mentioned boy bands. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.160 You started out as a boy bandes, what happened to 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:57.119 the boy band. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:01.880 To a degree, the same thing that kind of happened 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.800 to R and B is. You know what's worse than 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:09.160 one dude sitting around big and four what it became. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.000 It's just to say that truth, that's what it became. Now, 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.280 if if we ever get another boy band, it's gonna 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.360 be more than likely a primarily hip hop based situation 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.880 because we got to get back to that point where 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.080 people realize the power of vulnerability. I don't think that. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.880 I don't think anybody understands how much power there is 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:34.400 in being able to be vulnerable. You make vulnerable not 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.480 look weak. There's no way it's vulnerable. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:40.720 Oh do you think they'll ever be? I mean, because 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.440 you know, would there ever be another new kids and 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.200 boys to me and in sync? 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.760 And do you? I mean because I mean if. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.360 Splitting two hundred thousand, three hundred thousand and six ways 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.600 as opposed to like six hundred thousand one way sounds 0:16:58.600 --> 0:16:59.120 better than. 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:03.760 Me right, definitely, so definitely. So I mean, and mind you, 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:05.879 let us keep in mind that the boy band is 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.159 not dead. It's not it's not dead. It's just Korean. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:09.880 Oh okay, okay. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.959 Shout out to BTS, Shout out to the whole K 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.200 pop movement, like they still they still going strong with 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.399 the boy band movement. It's just it's I don't know, 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:18.919 you know what, I got to give a lot of 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.800 credit to K pop and just I've been over there 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.080 and saw just the machine that it is over there. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.360 Like they're literally going from like from a kid from 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.440 a child and training these kids in music, guitar with piano, 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.600 real live music, teaching them how to really sing, really dance, 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.960 and then deciding if they're gonna get in a group 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:38.960 or if you're gonna be a solo artist. And it's 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.520 like and it's producing. It's producing a pretty quality product 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.440 of producing on myself. So shout out to K pop 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.040 and just everything that's happening in that movement. Man, it's dope. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.920 What happened to your group? Why stay together? 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:53.040 We we disbanded because we was broke, and you know, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.800 you can only be broke for so long before you know, 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.800 being broke with people just gets annoying. 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.000 It's like one person be broke where you got five. 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.600 I can be broke by myself and b aight for 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.080 a little while, but I'm broke with you, and I 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:07.919 got to listen to you plan by being broke to 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.320 bro I don't. But now we we eventually broke up 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.639 because you know, things just wasn't moving away we expected 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.199 in the movie. And mind you we it's not like 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.520 we really sat down and devised like the best plane, right, 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.560 you know what I mean? We after after graduation, we 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:28.960 all sat in the Dennys in Las Vegas and rode 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:30.840 out on a napkin what our plan was. And the 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.240 plan was hopping Corey's van because Corey was the only person, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.800 only one of us with a car. Hopping Corey's van 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.400 driver California, find a Capitol Records building, Park in front 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.159 of the Capitol Records Building, jump up on top of 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.639 the van and sing our songs until the president of 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.680 the Capitol Records comes down and gives us a record deal. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.000