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Speaker 1: You and Taylor Smith will make a cute couple. Y'all.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all be killing, y'all be killing y'all.

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Speaker 2: Man Dale, Oh the tailor one on me. I'm toxic,

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Speaker 2: shall all my life, grinding all.

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Speaker 3: My life, sacrifice, hustle, P pricing one slice. Got the

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Speaker 4: Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shasha. I am

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Speaker 4: your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Shaha,

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Speaker 4: and the guy that's stopping by for conversation and a

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Speaker 4: drink today is a three time Grammy Award winning hit maker,

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Speaker 4: a multi platinum selling singer, iconic songwriter, pop basalist, R

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Speaker 4: and B powerhouse dancer, composer, producer, internationally acclaimed recognized.

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Speaker 1: And a live, very very live and all the way

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Speaker 4: Neil you doing, I'm good, but you'll stop eybody man

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Speaker 4: to give me a coming bite of your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: My research. If my research is correct, you're a vodka drinker.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I don't have vodka, but I have my

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Speaker 4: very own Konjact. I would be honored if you would

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Speaker 4: have a toast to your success and my success. You want, Hey,

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Speaker 4: we're not gonna tell the club because you know the

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Speaker 4: brown people, the brown make it tell the club up.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna tell the club up.

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Speaker 2: Tonight I saw good. I happily do it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, appreciate you, bro yesterday you know just the doctor.

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Speaker 2: It is new.

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Speaker 1: You had this while I had. We went since twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. Cool all success, brod smooth, you know a

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Speaker 4: We beat twelve hundred knjacts at the Simple Wards the

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Speaker 4: best tastes in Kangjact in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate you doing that. So how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm good man, I'm in a good space, real a

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Speaker 2: good space.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you stopping by. I know you had a

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Speaker 4: big gig in Vegas. Actually we were on the plane

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Speaker 4: flying back together yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I was like, bad, I don't know if he just

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Speaker 2: Now luckily I am virtually It's impossible for me to

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Speaker 2: stay awake on the airplane. That's where I catch up

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Speaker 2: on my sleep, even though that was like a thirteen

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Speaker 2: second flight. Right still here, Oh yeah, I can't stay

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Speaker 2: I don't want the water. I don't want to Peanut,

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Speaker 2: don't you You're just gone gone whole time.

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Speaker 1: Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 4: The AI generated songs we see that Drake is complaining about.

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Speaker 4: I think he had a song with the Weekend generated

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Speaker 4: twenty million strings in forty eight hours. He complained about

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Speaker 4: the song that he made with an ice Spice.

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Speaker 1: Where is your what is your stance on this?

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Speaker 2: I'm just okay. I feel like technology is very much

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, it's about it's about

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Speaker 2: the way you use it. However, this specific technology, what

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Speaker 2: is the good aspect of it?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What is the positive aspect of this technology? Like? What

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Speaker 2: be done. Right, It's like, you know, somebody said to

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Speaker 2: you can go to and get Neo's voice to sing

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Speaker 2: said song that was just written in the form of Neo.

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Speaker 2: So basically, what does that mean? Neo no longer need it?

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, what is it? What is the what

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Speaker 2: I don't understand what the positive aspect of this technology is.

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Speaker 4: So you're telling me that there's an AI that can says, okay,

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Speaker 2: Write a song like Neo, using words that Neo may use,

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Speaker 1: Do you think record companies are going to head in

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Speaker 2: don't understand. Even with this Drake thing right now, right

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Speaker 2: So that's that's money that's kind of just sitting there.

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Speaker 2: Who gets paid? Who they get that money to? Like?

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Speaker 4: If your soul you feel you should be getting monetizing.

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Speaker 2: That If it's it's his voice, it's his voice used

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Speaker 2: I'm more than certain he didn't give them permission.

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Speaker 1: You feeling somebody get sued behind this article?

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Speaker 2: I listen if saying my voice on it, I might

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Speaker 2: I just again, I don't get it. If somebody can

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Speaker 2: no positive aspects, and y'all, now, y'all, just y'all literally

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Speaker 4: In other words, they're basically trying to cut the artists,

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Speaker 1: Of the equation.

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Speaker 2: That's what it feels like.

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Speaker 4: We see all these social media TikTok. Are you a

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Speaker 2: To a degree? I mean, when it's when it's fun,

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Speaker 2: it's about the way the technology is used.

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Speaker 1: So you don't like this trend the word it's.

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Speaker 2: Headed, not really, man, I mean so I feel like

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Speaker 2: creating from from the heart, from the soul, like what

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Speaker 2: music is supposed to. Music is supposed to be therapeutic.

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Speaker 2: Music is supposed to be you as your realist. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. There's things that I can't say

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Speaker 2: not like you're not writing that. That's nothing. You're not

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Speaker 4: You do you feel like artists make songs to be

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Speaker 4: It seems like me, I'm talking to you, you make

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Speaker 2: That's not my thing. No. Music has been therapy for

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: So I've never been I've never been to a place

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Speaker 1: So have you always had this gift?

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Speaker 4: I mean because obviously you listen to music growing up

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Speaker 2: To that degree something like that. I my mom used

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Speaker 2: But once I did, like it became all I needed.

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Speaker 4: Very white, so classics obviously, you know you had baby

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Speaker 2: Like I don't think anybody listening to music in the

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Speaker 2: But then to go further back, you're Smokey Robinson. You

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Speaker 2: know I have I have five Kings, and these are

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Speaker 2: it was Prince, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Samit Davis, Junior,

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Speaker 1: So like.

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Speaker 2: So so my entire everything, my entire artistry came from

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Speaker 4: So you're more of a because most of these guys

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Speaker 4: wrote a lot of these guys wrote for themselves. So

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Speaker 4: you like the you like to write for yourself, but

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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, I I started loving was all writing was

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Speaker 4: Well, how do you change your system when the system

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Speaker 1: Why don't love songs sold like they used to?

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Speaker 4: Because you seem like you're back in the day he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, smashing Dash goes. I like smashing Dash. No, you

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Speaker 4: You know I'm saying that because I don't come to

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Speaker 4: Happened to the real soul love making song that you

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, now I gotta be tough now, now

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Speaker 2: I gotta now, I gotta sing the word bitch, what what?

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Speaker 2: This is where we are now, This is where we

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Speaker 4: I heard all the time it's R and B dead.

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Speaker 2: I do not think that R and B is dead.

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Speaker 2: most I just think that there's going to come a

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Speaker 1: Did Auto Tunes ruined R and B?

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Speaker 2: It didn't ruin it. It just made the club a

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Speaker 2: But so you had to be like you had to

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Speaker 2: To a degree, the same thing that kind of happened

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Speaker 2: It's just to say that truth, that's what it became. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody understands how much power there is

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Speaker 4: Oh do you think they'll ever be? I mean, because

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Speaker 1: And do you? I mean because I mean if.

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Speaker 4: Splitting two hundred thousand, three hundred thousand and six ways

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Speaker 4: as opposed to like six hundred thousand one way sounds

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Speaker 2: Shout out to BTS, Shout out to the whole K

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Speaker 2: Like they're literally going from like from a kid from

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Speaker 1: What happened to your group? Why stay together?

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Speaker 2: We we disbanded because we was broke, and you know,

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Speaker 1: It's like one person be broke where you got five.

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Speaker 2: I can be broke by myself and b aight for

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Speaker 2: because you know, things just wasn't moving away we expected

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Speaker 2: plan was hopping Corey's van because Corey was the only person,

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Speaker 2: This was the plan. Notice I didn't mention food, I

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Speaker 1: What you were dedicated.

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Speaker 4: You like, Okay, this is what is gonna take for

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Speaker 2: We did what we had to do until we just

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Speaker 2: to the point where it's like, all right, you know what,

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Speaker 1: So did the guy come down from Capitol Records?

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Speaker 2: And the only people that came out of Capitol Records

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Speaker 2: for us was security the law. Yes, we got to

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Speaker 2: every day, get up sing our songs, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. We started doing it when we knew everybody

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Speaker 2: all right, y'all gotta make a movie. All right, ted,

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Speaker 2: we'll be back tomorrow. Yep.

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Speaker 1: So who would you compare your group? Took? What was

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Speaker 1: your group? What would we?

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Speaker 2: We idolized Boyston men?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we was we.

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Speaker 2: Was about you know, finding them four and five part harmony,

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Speaker 2: Not not well enough to get on stage with them.

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Speaker 2: Now sit in the room and tap out on the

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Speaker 2: that one. That's that's about as good as we got with.

437
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,479
Speaker 4: So when you performed the MTV you did Apollo Show Apollo,

438
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 4: you was like, Okay, I made it, or did you

439
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 4: like I'm still not here.

440
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 2: Yet with the group or just as myself you feel

441
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 2: as myself? It was definitely good to be able to

442
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 2: go back to some of those places where you know,

443
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 2: I kind of fell on my face with the with

444
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 2: the group and and and do it over. Uh that

445
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 2: that definitely felt good. But now I didn't realize I

446
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: made it until I We used to throw a Grammy

447
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 2: party every year, whether we want or not, we just

448
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: throw the party. And I remember Prince and Steven Wander

449
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 2: crash my party. Now crash my party is not the

450
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: way that I want to say that, because but who's

451
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 2: not letting Steven Win and Prince Lee bud so y'all,

452
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,719
Speaker 2: y'all had crashed nothing. They just they showed up. They

453
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 2: showed up uninvited. I didn't invite them because I'm like,

454
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 2: I figured they wouldn't come, but yeah, they they crashed

455
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: my party. So I remember they. I remember sitting in

456
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 2: the section. Prince is right here and Stevie Wonder is

457
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: right here, and I'm just sweating bullets, like what do

458
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 2: I say?

459
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: Like?

460
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 2: These are two of the reasons that I even do this, right,

461
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: So I took a sip of my drink. Prince Lean's

462
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 2: over and goes, what are you drinking? Vodka cranberry? He goes,

463
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 2: mind you, I'm already sitting this closer, man, So now

464
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: you want me to get even close? Okay, all right,

465
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: it's just fucker's.

466
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: Bad for you.

467
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: And didn't say nothing else the rest of the time

468
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: he was at That was the That was the entirety

469
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 2: of our conversation. I didn't touch the drink until it

470
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: left again.

471
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't well clearly listen to it because.

472
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: No, no, But in the moment, in the moment, you know,

473
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 2: it was that, you know, Deebo say shut up, I

474
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: shut up.

475
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: Your first deal? What was that moment?

476
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: Like my first deal, my first deal with was with

477
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: Columbia Records, and it was I'll say this, it was

478
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: a learning experience, you know, a as an artist signed

479
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: to a label, you don't got a whole lot of freedom,

480
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: but there are some elements of it that you can control,

481
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: you know. I went in under the impression that I

482
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: had no control of anything. So I was kind of like,

483
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a robot a little bit, you

484
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Pretty much, whatever they told me

485
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: to do, I did whatever they told me to wear,

486
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: whatever producers they told me to work with, you know,

487
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: just because I'm thinking, I worked so hard to get here,

488
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: let me not rock the boat, right. So it finally

489
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: came down to the album is done, the artwork is done,

490
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: We've picked the first single, were ready to go, and

491
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm looking at like a flyer of the artwork, and

492
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is not me, this is not me,

493
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: This is like, this is baby tyres Is. Somebody like,

494
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 2: no disrespect to Tyrene, but I feel like that's kind

495
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: of the direction they were trying to go with me.

496
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: If you see the pictures, it's like, yeah, there's a

497
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 2: little Tyresis anyway, much a lot of Tyreses anyway. So

498
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: I go to the label on some listen. I know

499
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: the album is finished, but do y'all think I could

500
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: go in and maybe do one or two more songs

501
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: that just kind of fit. Who the hell I am right,

502
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 2: And they were like, well, no album is done, and

503
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: also your budget is depleted. I'm like, how much my

504
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: budget depleted? I know exactly what we spent. And this

505
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 2: is when I learned that, Okay, I don't know if

506
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: this still goes on. It's been a while since I've

507
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: had this happen to meet. But you get a record

508
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: deal and they take you out to eat and they

509
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 2: throw that credit card down at the end of the night,

510
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: and what they don't tell you is that that's your

511
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: budget on that credit card. What yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

512
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: We went with Tomtterr Child's a bunch of different times.

513
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, they just you love me in here, mister

514
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: Childs every time we visited. All right, my label loved me. No.

515
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: I was paying for all that and had no idea,

516
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: had no clue what it was.

517
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 4: Clearly you said your first deal, so things didn't go

518
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: as expect you when you were dropped, what are you thinking?

519
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: To be completely honest with you, I went into a

520
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: slight depression just behind really feeling like, you know, my

521
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: foot was in the door. Maybe I should have just

522
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: maybe I should just went with what they wanted me

523
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 2: to do. Maybe I should have, you know, to hell

524
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: with artistic integrity and just go for it. But then

525
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 2: I know, I know in the back of my head,

526
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 2: I would have never been able. I wouldn't been able

527
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 2: to look myself in the maryor so I'm back to

528
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: square one, just kind of trying to figure it out

529
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: at this point. You know, Yeah, it was, it was.

530
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: It was a rough little moment just because I didn't

531
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: know that that was like the most uncertain moment that

532
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: I that I had experienced up to then. You know,

533
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 2: because even even when we was living in the van,

534
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking to my mom every day, and

535
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: I knew that if push come to shove and it

536
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: hit the fan, I could go on home. But then

537
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 2: in this situation, I'm out here. I'm rough Lee twenty

538
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: twenty one years old. I just got dropped from my

539
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: record label. My managers is not picking up the phone

540
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: no more because we got dropped from a record Like

541
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, well, clearly they don't want you.

542
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: I have no I have no options, no anything, right,

543
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: So it's it's literally a back to square one moment,

544
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: and I just leaned on what was always there, which

545
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: was the music. You know what I'm saying. I literally

546
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: met the man that is my manager today as I

547
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: was walking down the street, just literally singing at the

548
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: top of my lungs with my eyes closed because I

549
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: was that's the only place that I could find solace.

550
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: And I'm just walking and singing, and he's in an

551
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: suv driving in the opposite direction. Scared turned around in

552
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: the middle of the street and came back, Ay you

553
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: singing something? Yeah, clearly, yeah, I choke. You said, I

554
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 2: know this person, this person, that person I got this

555
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: studio that is I to mind you. I'm hearing this.

556
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm seeing his lips moving, but I ain't listening nothing whatever.

557
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: Brook All right, well, right round the corner, all right,

558
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: come on, let's go. I hopped in the van again.

559
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: I don't know who this person is. You could have

560
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: you could have killed me. I ain't know. He brought

561
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: me around the corner to uh, these two these two

562
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: producers that he was working with. And I worked with

563
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: him for roughly three to four months before we got

564
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: the death Jam deal and mind you, no contract. He

565
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: said to me, He said, to me, listen, I'm gonna

566
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: shake your hand right now. If I don't get you

567
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: a deal in four months, you walk away with that handshaking.

568
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: We go out, we go away. So I don't need

569
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: no paper, I don't need no nothing. Four months to

570
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: the day, I had a record deal. I had a

571
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: record deal. Death Jam. Yeah, so much load of tango,

572
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: much letter, my team, much a lot of compound.

573
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: That's you go to death Jam. Yes, that goals. That's

574
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: your second record, that's your second record contract. Things going well.

575
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: Things are going well. Things are going well because I

576
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: went in there with a little bit of knowledge. It's

577
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: like noa, noa, we don't need to go to Miss Challo.

578
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah we're good. I'm good. Yeah, I cooked before I left.

579
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm straight left overs.

580
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: We're good, right good Okay.

581
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: So and then also I got the opportunity to talk

582
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: to la Read and really talk to him like from

583
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: an artist, from an artist soul to an artist soul.

584
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: I went to him and said, listen, the music that

585
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: you're that you've heard and that you've liked, is the

586
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: music that I really do. If this is a situation

587
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: where you're gonna try to turn me into somebody else,

588
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: we don't have to do this. I'll go somewhere else.

589
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: And he said to me, he was like, I'm signing

590
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: you because I like what you do. Why would I

591
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: try to change that? And that was just a quiet

592
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: cool you know, I can actually express myself for real

593
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: and really be who I am and and get this

594
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: music out here the right way. And sure enough, that's

595
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: what happened.

596
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: So when did when did jay Z take over Death

597
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: Jail for La?

598
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: Jay Z came in kind of right at the top

599
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: of when I got signed, Like you know, l A

600
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: l A was always you know, always top dog, but

601
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: he took up. He's CEO president, you know. So yeah, Jay,

602
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: I mean, my first time going to one of six part,

603
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: jay Z took me on. Their first time going to

604
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: tr L, jay Z took me on. He really kind

605
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: of just took me under the wing, like you know,

606
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: this is this is our new R and B artist

607
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: and I appreciate him to this day for it.

608
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: He got upset with you because you wrote a song

609
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: gave it away.

610
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so, uh, shortly before before the deaf Jam

611
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: situation happened, I leaned on songwriting. You know, I was

612
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: just I was just a songwriter. So I wrote a

613
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: song for Mario you should let me love you?

614
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: Right.

615
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: So this song goes on and uh stays at number

616
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: one for like twelve thirteen weeks. Something like that becomes

617
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: one of the most played songs in radio history. So

618
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: when I the first time I got to meet jay Z,

619
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: by this time, I've been signed for, you know, a

620
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: couple of months at this point, I walked into the

621
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: room and he's in there in La ref I walk in, like, Hey,

622
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: how you doing. It's nice to meet you. You're like, man,

623
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: why you get a damn song away?

624
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: That first eight?

625
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you too, But I'm neil. Yeah, while

626
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: you get a damn songway? Yeah, to this day, yeah,

627
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: you get on me about giving a damn song away,

628
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: But I was just a songwriter when I wrote it.

629
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: I didn't write it for myself. I mean, had I known,

630
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: do you think you could have done it justice like

631
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: Mario did. I'll be the first to tell you that

632
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: Mario got chops that I don't. You know that. I

633
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: ain't got no shame in that, but I know that

634
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: I got chops too, So yeah, I feel like I

635
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: feel like it would have worked either way.

636
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Do you have you ever given a song away that

637
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: you felt you should have kept.

638
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: Once or twice, once or twice. There was a point

639
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: in time where I would have a little bit of

640
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: separation anxiety with certain songs, right you know what I mean?

641
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: Like I feel like especially if I hear the end

642
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: result and be like and am not totally pleased with

643
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: some of the decisions made, right, you know, then it

644
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: becomes that feeling of Man, if you was gonna do that,

645
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: I could have just kept my damn song. But but

646
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: at the same time, you have to you have to

647
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: let an artist be an artist, right. I can't allow

648
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: a person. I can't expect a person to think the

649
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: way that I'm gonna think, make the choices that I'm

650
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: gonna make, especially when I've given them the song. Like uh, Beyonce,

651
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: for example, if you hear my version of Irreplaceable, you

652
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: hear the basis, you hear the foundation, but then you

653
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: hear her version and you hear all the Beyonce isms

654
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: that she put on top of it. Like, you want

655
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: an artist to do that for the record? You want that?

656
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: When did you know your paying game was stroll?

657
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: When I got my name, Honestly, I got my name

658
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: from a producer friend of mine, Dion Evans Uh. He

659
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: used to work a lot with with Digital on the

660
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: ground back in the day park and all of them.

661
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: He was a person that dubbed me Neo. It was

662
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: it was shortly after the Matrix movie came out.

663
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: So which came first, that Neo Matrix.

664
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: Matrix Neo came first. Yeah, that Neo definitely came first.

665
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: But the reference was the way Neil could do things

666
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: in the Matrix that other people couldn't do.

667
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: Correct.

668
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: I could do things in music that other people couldn't do, Like,

669
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: for example, I used to prove myself on how fast

670
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: I could write a song, like give me an hour,

671
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: I give you twelve records, quick, quick, quick. Now, not

672
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: that's I said twelve records. I ain't say twelve good records, right.

673
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: I learned later on quality versus quantity, But at that moment,

674
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: I was I was the cat that was gonna get

675
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: in there and just crank him out. And Dion says

676
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: to me, He's like, it's like like he had never

677
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: seen that before. Like you let the Neo the music industry,

678
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: and that's where the name came from.

679
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: You wrote to the.

680
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: Left, to the left, Yes, indeed, I think now, correct

681
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong, La read because did you want

682
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: to do the song?

683
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: And he said give it to Beyonce because he's like

684
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: it fits more Beyonce.

685
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: La was definitely part of that decision, but it was okay.

686
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: So it was this, I wrote the song to do

687
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: it myself myself and Stargate shout out to Stargate, let

688
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: him got your death. But when we got finished with

689
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: the song and we're listening to it, it and it's

690
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: like it's it's just we knew it was a hit,

691
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: but it feel right, you know what I'm saying. They

692
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: didn't like I love this song, but it's something about

693
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: this ship.

694
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: I do not like.

695
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: It became that. So that's that's when we finally started going,

696
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: you know what, maybe if we okay, maybe if we

697
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: flip this and flip that and and and let them

698
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: want let a female do it. And like we was

699
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: on the fence a little bit, and l a Ree

700
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: was kind of the tipping factor, like, you know what, Yeah,

701
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: I definitely feel like this song will get more more,

702
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: more power punch with a woman singing it.

703
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: How did you decide to give it to Beyonce?

704
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: I didn't. We Actually we actually had shopped into a

705
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: few different female artists who shall remain nameless because we

706
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: want it, but want it, they adn't want it. They

707
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: didn't understand man him. I'll say this, it's it's female artists.

708
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's female ARTI as you know, a whole

709
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: bunch of them. Yep, and you know the one up

710
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: you know the ones I'm talking don't know her.

711
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: This is the first mission.

712
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: No, no, not anger that, but yeah, Beyonce's name was

713
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: not the first name that popped up when we were

714
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: shopping the song. But once Beyonce got ahold of it,

715
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: it became I mean, the rest is history, right, No,

716
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: it became what people know in love today.

717
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: So let's just say, for the sake of argument, I sing,

718
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: I don't I say, Neil, I need you to write

719
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: me something?

720
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: How much you charge it?

721
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: Hmm?

722
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Okay? You how does that work?

723
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: Does somebody call you and say, hey, Neil, can you

724
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 4: write me a song? Or do they send you like,

725
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: what do you think of changes? Additions?

726
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: Normally they ask and then okay. So it's if you're

727
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: an independent artist. You know, I got the independent artist

728
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: price because I know what it is to be independent,

729
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: you doing everything yourself. I'm not gonna charge you what

730
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: I would charge your record label, for example, because I

731
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: know I'm not Yeah, I'm not you, I'm not hitting you.

732
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: I'm getting your record label. So you know how how

733
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: it happens, be it I run into the artists or

734
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: artists management, reach out to my management or whatever the

735
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: case may be. They say, we love for Neo to

736
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: go in the studio for such and such artists.

737
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: All right.

738
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: They would then set up studio time you know that

739
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: they pay for it. However, many days or whatever they

740
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 2: want me to go in, I go in, and whatever

741
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: I write within those days, I submit to them what

742
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: they like, they keep, but they don't.

743
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: I get back.

744
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: And that's how it works.

745
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: Have you ever told anybody no.

746
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 2: M Yes, yes I have, just because I genuinely didn't

747
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: see it was it was a cat that wanted me

748
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: to do a feature on his record, you know, up

749
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: and coming dude, and it was it was just some

750
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: real It just it wouldn't have made no sense in

751
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: my personal opinion, wouldn't made no sense, like I'm never

752
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: gonna do anything that's gonna intentionally jeopardize my brand or

753
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: or you know, confused people in the realm of my brand,

754
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: and it just wouldn't made no sense.

755
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm looking at some of the people you've

756
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 4: written for, Beyonce, Rihanna, Whitney and Mary J Jennifer Hudson, Monica,

757
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: b K Music, So.

758
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you got a who's who? How

759
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: do I mean?

760
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: I mean all these people, I mean, everybody's coming out

761
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 4: in the woodwork, said Neo Neo neo. And they expected

762
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 4: you to write irreplaceable. They expected you to write to

763
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 4: the left.

764
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: Damn.

765
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 4: I mean, Michael Jordan's going fifty every game. There was

766
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 4: a couple of there's a couple of thirteen fourteen points

767
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: in there too.

768
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: It's been a it's been more than a couple of

769
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 2: times where you know, an artist asked me for something

770
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: and I'll write them what I feel like is what

771
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: they asked for, and they'll they'll say, no, I mean

772
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: that happens.

773
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: It happened.

774
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: But I don't. I don't so much because well not,

775
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: because what didn't work for you might work for her

776
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: or him or whoever you know, and once you give

777
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: it back to me, his mind. Like their songs that

778
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: made it to Beyonce's album made it to Rihanna's album

779
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: that were not written for Beyonce Arihanna. These are the

780
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: songs that other artists turned down, and these artists didn't.

781
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: Not even looking hot. So let mess your question.

782
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 4: How do you think an artist feel I turned this

783
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: song down? I turned that song down? Beyonce did Rihanna?

784
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: That could have been?

785
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: I can imagine that. That's a hard pill to swallow.

786
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can, but hold on.

787
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's maybe it's just Beyonce and Rihanna and you

788
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 4: wouldn't have had the same success with said song.

789
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: That's possible, that's possible, but the reality is you ain't

790
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: even try. So who's to say, right, who's to say

791
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: at least at least they had the guts to give

792
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: it a try and it turned out to work for them.

793
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: Have you ever written? Have you ever written? Have you

794
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: written for someone?

795
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: Because if they say, write me a song, if you're

796
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: gonna pay you for it, do they ever say, nah,

797
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 4: I'm not good, just keep it, or you just have

798
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: to do you have to.

799
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: Turn it over to them.

800
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: No, I turn it over to them, you know, and

801
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: then they decide whether they want to keep, which ones

802
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: they want to keep. Whatever they don't keep, they just give.

803
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Back, okay, And then you shop it to somebody else.

804
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, shop it to somebody else. So I'll take a

805
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: piece of it, turn it into a hook for this rapper. Everything,

806
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: give me use for something, you know what I mean?

807
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: It never, it's never anything that just has to in

808
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: the archive.

809
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: You ever had anything leaked? Yeah?

810
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, But how would you have to know

811
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: who's doing it?

812
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: Neo? Nah?

813
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: So this this particular situation, this was back when Sony

814
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: Studios existed in New York. You know, may it rested,

815
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: It ain't there no more Sony Recording Studios, Stargate. They

816
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: had a room at a room of their of their

817
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 2: own in Sony Studio. Somebody broken Stony Studios and stole

818
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 2: their hard drives. Me and Brandy had did like four records,

819
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: and the following week them Joints was in the world.

820
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: It's because somebody broke in and stole the hard drives. Wow, yeah,

821
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: it happens. But since then, I mean, it's it's it's

822
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a slippery slope. It's hard to

823
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: keep anything absolutely private anymore, you know. So Yeah, I've

824
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: definitely had had things leaked, but I've always looked at

825
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: it as all right, Well, if the music leaked and

826
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 2: people like it, that just adds to my fan.

827
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 4: Base, right right, So when you when you say the writers,

828
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: you say the writers into streaming. It's not the same

829
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: writing for an album or things of that nature. Correct,

830
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: What do you mean as far as you say, like

831
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 4: the streaming SERTs like the right, you said writers when

832
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: they streaming a record, the writers don't get the compensation

833
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 4: that they deserved.

834
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no, the streaming the numbers that writers are

835
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: getting for streams is not what it needs to be,

836
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: not at all.

837
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: So you got to have like need to stream like

838
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: a billion times to make.

839
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: Anything, billions millions and billions of streams before you start

840
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: to see an your real money. Yes, definitely.

841
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: So why do you why do you stay writing? I

842
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 4: mean because it seems like everything is kind of like

843
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: going towards the streaming industry, and that means it gets

844
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: less and less in your pocket.

845
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: Well, I mean there are there are exceptions to every

846
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: situation and to every rule, right you know, I again, Uh,

847
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: my motivating factor has never been financed in regard to

848
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: this business. I do this because I love it. If

849
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: there was no money to be made in it anymore,

850
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: you still find a neo song somewhere really, Yes, yes,

851
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 2: because I don't do this just for money. I thank

852
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: God and the Creator that I can provide for my

853
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: family doing what I love. But to be honest, if

854
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: I could not provide for my family doing what I love,

855
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: I would just find a way to provide for my

856
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: family while doing what I love. You know what I mean?

857
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: Because this is this is music is woven into my DNA.

858
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: I couldn't stop if I wanted to.

859
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: That's just what it is.

860
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 4: So how's the interview process if somebody wants to write it?

861
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: When you want someone wants you to write a song

862
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 4: from them, do you sit, do you're talking the phone?

863
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: Do y'all go out to dinner? Do you like get

864
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: a sense?

865
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: I mean, because if you know the artist, you kind

866
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 4: of get a sense of kind of like the direction

867
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: they want to go in.

868
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's always, uh, it's always a sign

869
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: of respect to ask an artist like, Okay, what's the

870
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: what's the concept?

871
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: Like?

872
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: Is there a concept to your project as opposed to

873
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: just trying to shove a song down their throat? Right?

874
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: You know, because it's like, well, I don't even talk

875
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: like that, all right, right, So so I'll definitely give

876
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: the artists the respect of asking, you know, is there

877
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: something specific you want to say? Is there a specific

878
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: genre that you that you're hunting for? You know, we'll sit,

879
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: we'll have a conversation. We'll have a kind of an

880
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: off the cuff conversation like how's your love life, like,

881
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: what's you know, what's going on in your world, what's

882
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: what's keeping you awake at night if anything at all?

883
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: And that's where we figure out what we want to

884
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: write about and that and you know, I feel like

885
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: doing that makes the artists know and understand that this

886
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: is literally being custom made for you. This is not

887
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: a song that I had in my back pocket and

888
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: a right maybe I could sell it to this one.

889
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: Not you, alright, maybe you No. It's like I'm literally

890
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: asking you where you at and if you say something

891
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: that that sparked something that I already got, yeah, I'll

892
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: let you hear it. But ultimately and that you're paying

893
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: me to be here. We're gonna sit and we're gonna talk,

894
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna create something for you from scratch.

895
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 4: Were you in the studio when when Beyonce is doing Irreplaceable,

896
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: did you know irreplaceable was going to be that I

897
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: did not know. So at the studio and as you

898
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 4: as you're writing this song and you hearing her singing.

899
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing with Beyonce. Beyonce is one of

900
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: those few artists that don't really need nobody, right. So

901
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: I was there for about fifteen minutes, and I remember

902
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: there was one instance where I tried to feed her

903
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: no and she was like, it's cool, I got it.

904
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Like that, go get some coffee.

905
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: Just gone by my bit. And mind you, by the

906
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: time I came back in the rooms home with them

907
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: like she's like was doing, took him out of maybe

908
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: an hour to do that. To do what she needed

909
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: to do in that moment, took him maybe an hour.

910
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: So that wasn't I've dealt with artists where you kind

911
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: of got a hold of hand through the whole process.

912
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: And I ain't mad at that either, you know what

913
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But but you know, a person like like

914
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: a Beyonce, like Beyonce is, she's an anomaly, Like she

915
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: don't she she got every note, she know exactly what

916
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: she wanted to do, ad lib wise and all of that.

917
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: Like she'll she'll listen to your idea. But to be honest,

918
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: she don't need you that right, you know what I mean?

919
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: So that's that's what that was.

920
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Give me a mount Rushmore, a female artist you've written for?

921
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: Oh Man, mount Rushmore. How many heads are mount Rushmore?

922
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't good. Okay, we ain't gonna let you add

923
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: none either.

924
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: Damn yeahs my mount rush for ye.

925
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: I know you want to build a bob about Rushmore?

926
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: All right, fa fa Top four, Beyonce, Rihanna, Mary J. Blige,

927
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 2: Celine Dion.

928
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

929
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 4: So Celeine Dion calls you, Neil? Does anybody have anybody

930
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: since you've gone started giving going by the name Neo?

931
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: Has anybody called you your government name, not.

932
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: Lord?

933
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: Maybe an attorney call you, yeah, mister Smith.

934
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, but does anybody have anybody say, in the last

935
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 4: twenty years called you by your government name?

936
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: Not any artists? Like you? Got to you got to

937
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: know me. You got to get to that place where

938
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: you really know who I am before you call me

939
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: anything other than Neil.

940
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, So Celeine Dion calls Neo up. Sim So

941
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 4: how did that conversation go?

942
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: Surprisingly? Uh, she was a fan of my music. She's

943
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: a fan of We actually met through her husband, you know,

944
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: may Rest, and he was telling me that she was

945
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: a fan of the music, and I was like, yo,

946
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm a huge Celendian fan. I love to write with her.

947
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: One day, mind you this this conversation happens. And then

948
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: a month later, you know, I get a call out

949
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: of nowhere and it's heard right, and she tells me

950
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: she's a fan of the music and tells me that

951
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: she wants to work together. We get in this wrote

952
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: we did the song, but actually she wanted me to

953
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: write her a song. Initially, okay, because I've written her

954
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 2: songs in it week. There's one that we did together,

955
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: which was the whole other mind blowing situation. So she said,

956
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: I love what you do. I'd love for you to

957
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: write me some songs. I did two songs for her

958
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: on the Oh Man, I gotta find a name. I

959
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: gotta find a name of that album, not the last

960
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: one she put out. It's like like two albums back

961
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: in the two songs for on that album. And we

962
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: just kind of kept in contact. Like she's really really

963
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: cool people right, like like she's she's silly, like she

964
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: was doing ever especially impersonations, like she's she's really really cool.

965
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: So I remember the following album cycle, she was like,

966
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: we have to do a song together. And I'm like why, Like,

967
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: if you have Seline Dion's voice, what the hell do

968
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: you need neo voice for it? Right? And she's like, no, no, no, no, no,

969
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: we're doing the song together. You write it, you let

970
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: me know what it's done. I'll fly you guys out

971
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: and we make it happen. And sure enough, so I

972
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 2: wrote the song. We recorded it at the recording studio

973
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: that is at the Poems in Las Vegas, right, you know,

974
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: because she was doing her residence here, and yeah, man,

975
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: the rest is history. One of one of the most

976
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: genuine people that I've ever met. Like, you know, you

977
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 2: meet artists, and you know, some people give you who

978
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: they really are. Some people give you their representatives. Some

979
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 2: people give you who they think that you expect to see.

980
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: She walked in as her and you know, unapologetically her,

981
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: like you know, hair and a messy bun, like we

982
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: hear the work. Hey, it's nice to meet you. I'm Selene.

983
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: Let's let's rock like and I respect that.

984
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 4: You wrote when you wrote Unfaithful for Rihanna. Every time

985
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: I walk out the door. I see him die a

986
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: little more inside. I don't want to hurt him anymore.

987
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 4: I don't want to take away his life. I don't

988
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 4: want to be a murderer. How do you come up

989
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 4: with that hook?

990
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: That is a story. A lot of a lot of

991
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: my a lot of my songs come from actual experiences.

992
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: And you know, if it's not an you will make

993
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 2: a cute couple.

994
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: Y'all all right about y'all be killing y'all, be killing y'all.

995
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: Tailor one on me. I'm toxic. I mess, I mess

996
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: all that. A few tailors all love no, But I write.

997
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: I write from experience. Man, It's it's not always my

998
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: personal experience. Like, for example, Irreplaceable was the story about

999
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: one of my aunts. I grew up in the house

1000
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: with five aunts, and that one particular aunt that just

1001
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: always had a new boyfriend. So that's that story came from.

1002
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: That song came from that story. Unfaithful came from a

1003
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: story that my sister was telling me about a dude

1004
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: that she was dating back in the day. You know,

1005
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: she she might get mad at me for telling this story,

1006
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: but it is I mean, she she was. It was

1007
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: one of those situations won't know which one you're talking about.

1008
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: I do, but she'll know. And I'm gonna get home

1009
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 2: and catch some catch a couple of these, A couple body.

1010
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: Nah.

1011
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: But she was she was dealing. She was dealing with

1012
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: this dude and it was that whole situation. And he's

1013
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: just he's just too nice. He's so nice, Like I

1014
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: literally just walk over his back, he's so nice. So

1015
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: because he was so nice, she started dealing with somebody

1016
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: else and it got to the point where like everybody knew.

1017
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 2: Everybody knew, and it's like, okay, okay, she's she's she's

1018
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: doing what she's doing. The whole family knows, her friends know,

1019
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 2: his friends know. The only person that's acting like they

1020
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: don't know it's him, and it's like, what do you do?

1021
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: So so that's so, that's what the old thing came

1022
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: back because she felt terrible about it, but at the

1023
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: same time, it's like.

1024
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: Not enough to stop doing it though.

1025
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it was.

1026
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: That's what it was.

1027
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: Thank you who almost said her name. She was mad,

1028
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: you'd be all right, you're.

1029
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: Right, said that breakups are great for writing songs. Is

1030
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: that how you feel?

1031
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yes, definitely, So I don't know what it is

1032
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: about heartbreak or turmoil or drama or animosity or sadness.

1033
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, when you when you put yourself

1034
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 2: there and you write anything, it's gonna be deep, it's

1035
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: gonna be meaningful, it's gonna have depth, it's gonna have emotion.

1036
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: And those are the those are some of the key

1037
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: ingredients to a song that you just can't stop singing.

1038
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: So in other word, just because you know, because everybody

1039
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 4: automatically thinks, but when you write a song, you're talking

1040
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 4: about a personal experience, like us your confession.

1041
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: Everybody said he talking about chili.

1042
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're saying that, hey, you know, it might

1043
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: be on It might be a sister, it might be

1044
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 4: a homeboy that was.

1045
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: Going through Always me, no, not always, because my my

1046
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: story and what's going on with me. You know, I'm

1047
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: a I'm gonna I'm gonna dabble into it a little bit,

1048
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: but for the most part, I'm a I'm I've learned

1049
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: that it's certain aspects of me that I would like

1050
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: to keep for me, right, you know, because the world, uh,

1051
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: it ain't a person walking face of the planet that

1052
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: has the right to judge anybody, right they don't stop them,

1053
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: you know. And and you know, I got kids. I

1054
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: don't want my kids to to to get into all

1055
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: that and see all of that, you know. But other

1056
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: than that, yeah, I write from I write from just

1057
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: things that I've always found that if I write from

1058
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: something that really happened, the song just comes out better.

1059
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: I can make it up all day, but those songs

1060
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: just don't have the same you know what I mean,

1061
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: Like it's it's that thing, right, it's that thing like, no,

1062
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: this really happened. I really had to you know, I

1063
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: really couldn't turn the radio off. I really had the

1064
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: answer machine with hey, we can't come to the phone

1065
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: right now. You know, we use kids. The hell we

1066
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: was doing right, But like the fine details that that

1067
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: you are, that you can put into it when it's

1068
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: something that you really experience, like that's the like that's

1069
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: the weapon X that turns it into that hit song.

1070
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: Because you're in this place, it's on your mind. You

1071
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 4: can't seem to escape it. Uh, the mind can't relate,

1072
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 4: can't race what the heart can't delete, and so you're writing.

1073
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 4: So that puts you in a space that man, I

1074
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 4: might as well, you know, turn this heartbreak into something. Yeah,

1075
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 4: something good can come out of every bad situation.

1076
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: Definitely.

1077
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: We don't see it at the time, but you says, okay,

1078
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: this happened then any way I wanted to I'm putting

1079
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: pen to paper. Yep.

1080
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely. It is the ultimate gift from God because you know,

1081
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: everybody goes through hurt and heartache and pain. Not everybody

1082
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: gets the outlet that music is right, you know, I

1083
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: don't have to. I don't have to pack it down

1084
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: and eventually blow up for something stupid. Now, as soon

1085
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 2: as I feel it, as soon as my chest get heavy,

1086
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: I can sit and write it. After I'm done writing,

1087
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: I'm good because it ain't in me no more. It's

1088
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: here now, you know, And I'm gonna get that to

1089
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: the world and like minded people are gonna listen to

1090
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: it and be like, yeah, I understand that I've been

1091
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: there before. I felt that before, and that's how we

1092
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: get to where I am.

1093
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: Now. Do you think any of the women like songs

1094
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: that you wrote like that, you know what? Wrote this

1095
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: about me? I know what.

1096
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been that. Some of them have reached out

1097
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: and asked, is.

1098
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: That about me?

1099
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: No?

1100
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: No, I ain't talking about you.

1101
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: It's about you. That don't mean you don't mean you

1102
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: get no money for Dan Will. It's about you. Come on,

1103
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 2: I said, I put the date in the song. You

1104
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: know it's about you. However, enjoyed from from Johanna Civic.

1105
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 2: We did.

1106
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 4: We see a lot of you got an extensive catalog.

1107
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 4: We see a lot of people selling off their catalog.

1108
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 4: Is that something that you're interested in?

1109
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: If for the right price, yeah, yeah, for the right price,

1110
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: I definitely do that, just because I know that I'm

1111
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: not done, Like I haven't written my greatest song.

1112
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: Right, So if you sell your catalog, that means you

1113
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 4: start the process of another or then every does everything

1114
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 4: that you right go into that catalog.

1115
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, you start the process. You start

1116
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: another one, Okay, start over, which I have again I

1117
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: have no problem with because I I have yet to

1118
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: write my most amazing record. And as things happen in

1119
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: my life, you know, as time progresses, different things happen.

1120
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: I just got more and more ammo for for this gun.

1121
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, do you like writing more or do you

1122
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: like performing more?

1123
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: As of late, writing more? I love to perform. I

1124
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: love to get out there and you know, do that

1125
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: home you perform I am absolutely.

1126
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: So that because you have singers, you have performers. You

1127
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 4: have and you can do both, but you really like performing.

1128
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: Performing is my thing. I can stand still and sing

1129
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: a song, but I ain't gonna have no fun. If

1130
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: I don't have no fun, you probably gonna have no

1131
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: fun either. So now we're gonna jump around, We're gonna

1132
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: work the whole stage. This is this is who I am.

1133
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: Yes, where are you on social media? Uh?

1134
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: What are my social media handles?

1135
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: Hold on?

1136
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: The IG is at neo h the Twitter is at

1137
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: Neo Compound.

1138
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: Respond Do you respond to comments?

1139
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so, I mean I don't. I don't read

1140
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: comments as much anymore because, for whatever reason, you read

1141
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: them comments and all of a sudden you start to like,

1142
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: let those opinions mean something, when the reality is opinions

1143
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: are not special because literally everybody got one, right, So

1144
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't readcomments as much as I used to.

1145
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: But should you receive a DM from from me and

1146
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: you see the yellow yellow, you see the blue dot,

1147
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: you know that that's really me.

1148
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: It's really me.

1149
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm really responding.

1150
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, let's get it.

1151
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 4: I want to get through your upbring before I get

1152
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 4: you out of here. Born in Arkansas. Yes, how old

1153
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 4: were you when you left Arkansas and went to Vegas?

1154
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: Roughly eight nine years old somewhere in there. And we

1155
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: got to Vegas and stayed in Vegas and went to

1156
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: high school in Las Vegas, the whole nine, right, that

1157
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: was weird, definitely, just it wasn't weird as it was happening.

1158
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: It's weird as I look back and like know how

1159
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: other people's high school situation went. You know, you go

1160
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: through high school with that click of friends all the

1161
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: way up and you'll graduate together and all that I

1162
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: don't happen in Vegas because everybody's coming in to do

1163
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do for about a year. It's tours sound,

1164
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: it's military base, you know what I'm saying. They in

1165
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: and out. So every school year you start with brand

1166
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: new people teaching you how to be a people person.

1167
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: Not to mention, there's a strip every day and where

1168
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: you meet Susan and her nine friends from Minnesota and

1169
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: they and and yeah, so.

1170
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: That so that so that's the best. That's one of

1171
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: the best parts about Vegas hunts.

1172
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: You meet a lot of people. You meet a lot

1173
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: of different people from all walks of life. Everybody find

1174
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: a way to Vegas at some point. Yeah, to a.

1175
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: Degree, to a degree, fifty degree, seventy five degree.

1176
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'll say this, as as my age progresses,

1177
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 2: my patience gets shorter, you know what I mean, Like

1178
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: energy becomes real, real important as you as as time progresses.

1179
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: And now I'm real picky and choosy about what I

1180
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: choose to give energy to and who.

1181
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 4: So, yeah, did grow up with growing up in Vegas

1182
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 4: make you want to do show? Make you want to

1183
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 4: get on stage?

1184
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: Or absolutely?

1185
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1186
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: Man, that was that was you know you you hit

1187
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: the strip as as a teenager and you see the

1188
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: limos pull up and you see the celebrity get out,

1189
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: and you know, if you get a chance to get

1190
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: into any of these Vegas shows, and you just it's

1191
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: an experience, bro, Especially as a kid, you're looking at

1192
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: that like, oh man.

1193
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: That would be me.

1194
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: That's that's what I want to do right there.

1195
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, so your parents they weren't together, but so so

1196
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 4: did it have an impact that your dad wasn't around?

1197
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: And you said, you talked about your mom, you talked

1198
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 4: about the women in your life, your aunts, and you

1199
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 4: wrote songs, and you had seemed like in your sisters

1200
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 4: and your mom and your aunts, so you had very

1201
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: strong women around you.

1202
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: Definitely, so definitely so had uncles that that you know

1203
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: that were there, but you know they show up eating leave.

1204
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 2: But no, it was primarily my mother, my grandmother, five aunts,

1205
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: my sister, and me. And I never really, I never

1206
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: really felt like I was missing anything from not having

1207
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: a dad until you know, I got of a certain

1208
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: age and I'm in school and my friends are talking

1209
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: about their dads and they're doing with their dads, and

1210
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a minute, I ain't. I ain't never

1211
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: did that. But then it becomes a thing.

1212
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: Did you play sports?

1213
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: Uh? Not really a little bit, but I never really

1214
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: took a seat I would. I was more of an

1215
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: artistic kid than an athletic kid. I could do it,

1216
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: but if I had to chew, if I had the option,

1217
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: I was somewhere writing a song.

1218
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: How did being raised by women impact your songwriting?

1219
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 2: It helped me escape the potential of the whole toxic

1220
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: masculinity thing that that everybody so up in a uproar

1221
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: about today. I feel like toxic masculinity is the opposite

1222
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: of a person that is in touch with and not

1223
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: afraid of emotion. Like I've heard people say, how do

1224
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: you write from the mind of a woman so well,

1225
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: and it's like, I'm not writing from the mind of

1226
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 2: a woman. I'm writing from the mind of a person

1227
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: that's not afraid of emotion. You're giving these emotions for

1228
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: a reason, okay, that they're supposed to help you throughout life.

1229
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to ignore them. You know the whole

1230
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: boys don't cry. That's not a thing. It's not a

1231
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: thing at all. Like, that's that's how you That's how

1232
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 2: you breed that toxic male. You know, I gotta address

1233
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: every situation with aggress and that's how.

1234
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: You breed that.

1235
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: My mom didn't raise me like that. She said, if

1236
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: it's smile, if it feels good, smile and if for

1237
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 2: hers cry, and never be ashamed of either one because

1238
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: you're giving them for a reason the tools.

1239
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 4: Do You feel like man suppressed a lot of their

1240
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 4: true feelings of motion and they can't properly be who

1241
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 4: they truly are.

1242
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, I feel like especially nowadays, where you know,

1243
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: all vulnerability is viewed as weakness, and any man showing

1244
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: any is ridiculed or whatever or something like that. Yeah, yeah,

1245
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: you get caught, and it's like I've just never I've

1246
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: just never bought into that. You know what I'm saying.

1247
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: I've been bullied before. I understand what that is. You know,

1248
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: nine times out of ten, the cat bullying you is

1249
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: getting bullied, as Daddy would' his ass. Something's happening to him.

1250
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: It's not just he ain't just wake up and decide

1251
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: to mess with you. He messed with you cause somebody

1252
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: messing with him. I get that, I understand what that is.

1253
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: I just really feel like the way that the way

1254
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 2: that my mom brought me up, don't even she didn't

1255
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 2: bring me up, is chump you know what I'm saying.

1256
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: She definitely taught me how to try to fend for

1257
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: self and defend myself. But at the same time, she

1258
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 2: taught me that every situation is not called for aggression,

1259
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: right you know, you set up and argue with a fool.

1260
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: To the people watching, they don't know who the fool is,

1261
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: right y'all both y'all both look like fools right now,

1262
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: And that and that was that was me growing up.

1263
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't a cat that was so eager to jump

1264
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: into a fight. You know what I'm saying. Nine times

1265
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: out of ten, I'm talking so fast. You don't want

1266
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: to fight no more. That's why that's who I was.

1267
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: I read your favorite sport is boxing.

1268
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: You're still absolutely absolutely congrats Tank did that?

1269
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, so growing up in Vegas, the Mike Capitol World,

1270
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 4: I don't know how many fights Tyson that you saw,

1271
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 4: may Weather that you saw.

1272
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: What is it about the fight game that makes you

1273
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: such a fan?

1274
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: I love the strategy, there's some there's some fighters that

1275
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: I that I'm more of a fan of than others.

1276
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: You know, you got you, you got your slugg as

1277
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: you catch gonna go out there and swing as hard

1278
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: as they can till somebody fall down. That's what Floyd

1279
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: has always been a favorite of mine because he's strategic.

1280
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: Floyd's game is not hitting you. Floyd's game is making

1281
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: you miss, which is just even more embarrassing. Like that's

1282
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: that's the mind games that Floyd's plays. I'm gonna let you.

1283
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you swing for the fences and you're

1284
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: gonna hit me none, You're not gonna touch me. Love.

1285
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: I've always loved just the cleverness of something that's supposed

1286
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: to be so brutal, but you literally got to use

1287
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: your mind if you're gonna be good at it, if

1288
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna be successful at it. This brutal blood sport

1289
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: where you feel like it's just two men going in

1290
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: there beating the hell out of each other for the

1291
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: hell of it. Now, this is a strategic game, you

1292
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And it's just I've always been

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Speaker 2: a fan of that, that contrast. It's like, this is

1294
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: what you expect, but in actuality, it's really this, you know,

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00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: I've always been a fan of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you out to hear your last two questions.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel as an entertainer that you need more

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00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 4: than one revenue stream because you entertain you sing?

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Speaker 1: You right?

1300
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely so. We already discussed the fact that songwriters just

1301
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: a songwriters. If you're not making billions and billions and

1302
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: billions of streams, you can't even live off your livelihood,

1303
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You'll have a hit song

1304
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: on the radio and be broke. This is a real thing,

1305
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: Like that'll make no sense. There's no other medium that

1306
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: that happens in. You can't have the number one blockbuster

1307
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: movie in America and live in an apartment. That's not happening. Now,

1308
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: they don't page you well for that music, not so much.

1309
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: That's just what happens. So yes, as an artist, as

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00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: a as a songwriter, it is an your best interest

1311
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: to have multiple streams of revenue. You know, if you

1312
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: are a person with a personality, use that, you know,

1313
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: don't rely on just one aspect of entertainment. If you

1314
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: are a person that understands what entertainment is and your

1315
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: entertainment value, I.

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Speaker 1: See you throw it in your hat and the acting ring.

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00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: So fifty cent bl yes, yes, a few episodes.

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00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: I met I met fifty a while ago. You know

1319
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. We did did the joint together, you know,

1320
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: so we always kind of kept in contact. He he

1321
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: basically told me that he was he was gonna figure

1322
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: out a way for us to work because he saw

1323
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: that I was, you know that I was interested in

1324
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: doing the acting thing. So he's like, we're gonnaigure out,

1325
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna find a way to find a way to

1326
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: make it work. He threw me a couple auditions, and

1327
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: mind you, that's that's one thing that I really loved

1328
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: about him is that he wasn't just gonna give me something, right,

1329
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: you know? He's like, yo, you know this is this

1330
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 2: is an opportunity. You get in there, you do the audition.

1331
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: If you get it, you get it. If you don't,

1332
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: you don't, And like, I respect that, you know. So

1333
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: same thing with this BMF situation that that's going on now.

1334
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: He said, I think I found something that that's gonna

1335
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: make sense, you know, or at least I would like

1336
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: to see you in his row. So he pressed me

1337
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: with the BMF thing. I'm I think, I don't you

1338
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: know what. Let me not even give it away. Yeah,

1339
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 2: I'm on BMF for a few episodes. Yeah yeah, i'mnna

1340
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: leave it.

1341
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 4: At that, but I gotta get some player to him this.

1342
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 4: You once found one of your artists asleep. Now I'm

1343
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 4: assuming you got a nice five house, probably be more

1344
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 4: than one bedroom, I'm assuming.

1345
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's Barry. I mean it's very consumption.

1346
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: With no man.

1347
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: Thinking that Neil's got a nice house. He has more

1348
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: than been So why what made him think it would

1349
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: be okay? Was he explain it? Explain it?

1350
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: Okay? Shout out to my man, Lucky Day, I love

1351
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: love you today, Unlucky that day. I didn't bring you

1352
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: back up him. I didn't bring it up. But we're here,

1353
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: all right. Lucky Day is an R and B artist, extraordinary,

1354
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: one of Grammy last year. Like, dude is doing this thing.

1355
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: I love that he's doing his thing. Before Lucky Day

1356
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: got his shot, h there was a time, a point

1357
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: in time where I was going to sign him. Okay, right,

1358
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: so you know we're writing songs together, your artist.

1359
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: At the time you were thinking about signing.

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01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: Were we were going to sign Yeah, okay, but we

1361
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: writing songs together. For example, Jamie Fox's verse on Uh yeah,

1362
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: he wrote that, Okay, he wrote that. So so basically

1363
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm about to go on the road. I gave him

1364
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: access to my house. I'm like, listen, you can post

1365
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: up here. You know what I'm saying.

1366
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: Do what you do.

1367
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: One room, one rule, don't go in my room.

1368
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 4: So you so crystal clear, you made it a bundantly clear.

1369
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 4: You have access to the hot house tomorrow my room.

1370
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: Okay, right, so I got it, go on the road.

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01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Chat went the cat back

1372
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: and forth. I am I ain't can destroying the house,

1373
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: all right?

1374
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: Cool? Cool?

1375
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: So I get home that morning I go into my

1376
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: room and old boys asleep in my bed with a

1377
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: young lady. I'm like, alrighty, so yeah, I took it

1378
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: up on myself to wake him up and like, come on, break,

1379
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: you gotta go. Hold you ain't working up with the

1380
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: right left no no, no, no walking as on two pieces.

1381
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: I'm in bro, I'm saying, I just I pull like

1382
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: it was like, hey, I gave breakf bed, you gotta go.

1383
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: Ain't you're gonna be sleeping?

1384
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 4: I don't told you have access to eat all the

1385
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 4: food and the kitchen, the refrigerator.

1386
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: You go to. I got five bedroo crib and you

1387
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: can break your answer.

1388
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 4: I know your mom fail every situation that the call

1389
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 4: war aggression, get really aggressive with him.

1390
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: You know what is is. I can't even fop him,

1391
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: and it is what it is. But we've spoken since then.

1392
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It's it's all love. You know,

1393
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: it ain't no beef, rantomosity whatsoever. You know, I'm more

1394
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: than happy for old boy and what and what is

1395
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 2: what he's doing in his crazy you know what.

1396
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: I kind of empathized with it because I don't know

1397
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,959
Speaker 1: I'm bout there to hit it. You you are fair.

1398
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, let me show you.

1399
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: Know that exactly how it went. I don't mind. Nice,

1400
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: I don't mind. I don't mind. I let my friends

1401
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: use the nil. They can use it as cool.

1402
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 4: Last question, World d Ash your coach star, Yes, how

1403
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 4: how did that impact you hearing that news?

1404
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: But did you know he was going through something?

1405
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: That that I had no idea that he was going

1406
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: through anything. And and and you know, just from the

1407
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: circle of friends that I knew that knew him, they

1408
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 2: had no idea that he was going through anything. I've

1409
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,959
Speaker 2: always looked at that with a side eye. I ain't

1410
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: making no accusations or nothing like that, but just the

1411
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 2: twitch that I knew he would, that man was in

1412
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: love with his children, that man was in love with

1413
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: his wife, that man was in love with life. But

1414
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: I can't I can't say I knew what he was

1415
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: going through. And you never know what somebody's going through

1416
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: in the dark. You have no idea. But the twitch

1417
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: that I knew, the twitch that was represented to me

1418
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: was not somebody that would have that would have did that.

1419
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 2: So I've always I've always felt a way about that.

1420
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, he was he was brother

1421
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: was was a light, you know what I mean, Like

1422
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 2: you like you meet people and it's like it's just

1423
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: a bright dude, it's just just good energy. I'm going

1424
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: off of this dude. And that's what he was. That's

1425
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: we all every time I saw him, that's what he was.

1426
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know that that story just had never

1427
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: added up to me personally, but it is what it is.

1428
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Thanks for your time all stopping by the club.

1429
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: Indeed all the best moving forward.

1430
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. Thank you for having me sweating in

1431
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: and drinking.

1432
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, pair

1433
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 3: the price, wanta slice, got to brow the dice, swap

1434
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 3: all my life.

1435
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life, all my life, grinding all.

1436
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 3: My life, sacrifice, hustle, pay the price, and want to slice.

1437
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: Got to brow the dice, the swap all my life.

1438
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life.