WEBVTT - Evan McMorris-Santoro, Dr. Peter Hotez & Michael E. Mann 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.959 today's best minds, and Governor Pritzker says that Donald Trump 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:16.520 essentially just declared war on the city of Chicago. We 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.680 have such a great show for you today. Notice the zone. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:24.159 Evan McMorris, Santorro stops by to talk Trump going to 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.840 war on an American city. Then we'll talk to doctor 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.480 Peter Hotez and Michael E. Mann about their new book 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:36.000 Science under Siege, how to fight the five most powerful 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.840 forces that throughout in our world. But first we have 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:39.839 the news. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:40.519 Ollie. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.000 We used to do a podcast together called The New Abnormal, 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.400 and things are feeling really fucking abnormal. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.680 I just wanted to take a minute here to talk 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.240 about this moment we're in because I think it's really 0:00:54.280 --> 0:01:00.680 really important. The Administration has hit a boat in international 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.760 waters outside of the coast of Venezuela. They say the 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.200 boat is drug dealers. We don't know yet. It may be, 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.840 it may not be. It tends to be that. The 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.920 rules are that unless you're in war, you're not allowed 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:20.479 to kill boatloads of people, whether or not they are 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.679 drug dealers. So this is a real abandonment of due process, 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.320 which is one of the things that makes America great 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.760 and keeps us all safe. Then we have Donald Trump 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.360 this morning musing about going into Chicago because he wants 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.520 to go to war with the city. Are using a 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.600 lot of excuses, but the reality is that's what they're doing. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.560 It is at all points a real assault on our democracy, 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.240 an assault on the way we've known. I mean, I 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.480 have never lived in a time in this country where 0:01:54.760 --> 0:02:00.640 a political party is so out of balance, where Republicans 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.240 are not running checks and balances on their own guy, 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:09.760 where the president is completely unfettered and feels he can 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.639 do whatever he wants and behaves basically like a monarch. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.040 And it's just really scary. And so I understand that 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.600 when we're looking at the news and we're talking about 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.920 what's happening and want listeners to understand that we do 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.519 see how this is not how any of this is 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.280 supposed to work. That we have three branches of government. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.840 The Congress is supposed to run a check on the executive. 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.399 The executive is supposed to be checked by both Congress 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.240 and the courts. And what's happening right now with the 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.720 Supreme Court and the tank for Trump, and an executive 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.800 branch that seems hell bent on the unitary executive theory 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.600 a kind of right. There have been conservative scholars who 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:56.200 have created a framework for Donald Trump to be a monarch, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.760 and that is what we're looking at right now. And 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.600 the Supreme Court is stacked with people who are absolutely 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:08.240 committed to letting Donald Trump rule this country in a 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.800 way we have never seen. The Founders were scared of 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.760 a monarch. The conservative legal system is now in a 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.160 place to create one, and they have been working towards this, 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.400 and so every Supreme Court decision really matters. If Trump 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.399 loses on tariffs, that's a very good thing, even though 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.040 the people challenging him are other Republicans. And we just 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.800 have to hope and that there will be that there 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.800 will be a few Republicans who will stand up to Trump, 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.600 that there will be some people on the Supreme Court 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.480 who realize how slippery this slope we're on is. Look, 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:48.680 we're in that squishy middle between what was normal American 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.320 democracy for so many years and what is this sort 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.680 of middle ground that gets us to authoritarianism. And I 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.600 really do hope that there are enough brave people to 0:03:58.680 --> 0:03:59.240 stand up. 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:00.560 Yeah, I do too. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.400 The good news is is it We always worried that 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.600 if we got to these moments, that the people wouldn't 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.400 even see it. And I think that that was my 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.080 great fear when Trump was reelected. But according to some 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:11.960 polling that you and I were just looking at, the 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.000 people are really seeing this shit for what it is 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:16.680 and they're not happy. 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.400 Yeah, And I think, look the tennis The reason the 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:23.080 Tennis Association said, like, don't show the booing, and the 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.000 reason that Donald Trump is so set to rig the 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.400 midterms is because they understand. They get it. They know 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.800 what they're doing isn't popular. And you know, sixty five 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.600 percent of Americans seeing that Trump is making things more expensive, 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.840 they get it. They know we're really seeing a moment 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.800 where the American people know what's happening. The elites, on 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.520 the other hand, the business leaders who are going to 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.040 the White House and telling mister Trump what a genius 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.720 he is in order to get tariff cut ats, they 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:53.520 may not get it. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.480 Breaking land speed records, saying thank you in two minutes 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:57.680 a million times. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.279 Yeah, no, I mean, look, it's not potocracy. They have 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.479 to please the autocat but they really don't. And the 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.000 fact that they're all doing this, and by the way, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.000 you know, I just want to pause for a second. 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:13.040 If those billionaires had all said no, that they weren't 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:14.800 going to go to the White House, you know what 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.240 would have happened. Yeah, he would have caved on the tariffs. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:19.840 he would have caved on all the tariffs. I mean, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.920 he's not going to go to war with every tech bro. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.840 You know, if these wealthy people would get together and 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.360 all be brave together, they'll be fine. One by one 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.360 they can get ticked off, but if everyone gets together 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.719 and is actually brave together, they would be fine. But 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:36.799 that's not what's happening. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.240 No, speaking of new levels of depravity, many people are 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.960 very alarmed with just Dance Vance's comments on Rand Paul 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:50.479 tweet that blasted our policy of bombing a drug quote 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.040 unquote drug vessel. Since we don't know, there's been an 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.560 interesting reaction to this. Molly, what are you see in here? 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.320 Yeah? This is so very very jd Vance. One of 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.960 the things jd Vance does is he does trump Ism 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.440 harder than Trump. It's interesting because it's like, you know, 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.160 Trump loves a convert and that's what this is, right, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.280 a convert who is doing trump Ism harder than Trump. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.680 So basically here's what happens. Rand Paul and the very 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.520 few Republicans who have not become huge cowards are weirdly 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.560 the Libertarians. And again, I think it's important to remember 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.360 my friend Mondair Jones had a really good tweet about this, 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.760 because I think this is a really important part of 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.359 this story, which is that Rand Paul really does not 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.040 occupy the moral high ground like this is what monde 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.000 Are tweeted. Difficult to describe how dark this period in 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.440 American politics must be for even Rand Paul, who single 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:47.680 handedly blocked federal anti lynching legislation for years, to have 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.440 to get on this app and incredulously ask the Vice 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:56.400 President whether he ever read to kill a mocking bird. Okay, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.000 so I really do think it's important to realize that, like, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.560 none of these people are heroes, but Rand Paul does 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:07.120 in fact understand due process. First of all, and again, 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.840 nobody knows if it's a drug vessel, so maybe it is, 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.720 maybe it isn't as the highest and best use of 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.000 our military slamming this sentiment as despicable and thoughtless, but 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:21.360 it's also a breach of international protocol, like if another 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.320 country blew up a ship in our waters, say they 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.920 went and blew up a ship in the Gulf of America. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.360 You'll remember that one. By the way, if all the 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.640 members of the press had said we're going to go 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.200 with the Associated Press when the Associated Press was banned 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.520 from the White House, then Trump would have had to 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.160 have let them back in. I mean, this is what 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.760 has happened, is like every point people have gone along 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.560 to get along, and they fucked themselves and everyone else. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.960 One of the things I think about a lot is 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:55.080 in union culture, the word solidarity is the most important word. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.600 And this is a time that we need solidarity between 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.960 the press and solidarity against this regime. 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:05.760 Yeah so again, rand Paul jd Vance said he doesn't care. 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:10.640 Then jd Vance and Crassenstein got into it, which is, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.880 by the way, if anyone remembers from season one of 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:18.680 this disaster, the Crassenstein's are these Twitter guys who are 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.160 very involved in all sorts of problems. 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.960 They were thrown off Twitter famously for doing inauthentic behavior 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.760 and using body coast arms Yeah yeah, to praise their 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.000 own tweets. Yeah yeah, real, real cool. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.720 Stuff, and also maybe other stuff. None of it's good. 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.080 So but they're very liberal, or they're sort of liberal, 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.319 or they're whatever. Anyway, they push back to it, and 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.120 Jadvans is like, killing cartel members who poison our fellow 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.760 citizens is the highest and best use of our military. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:51.360 Brian Krassenstein says killing civilians of another nation who are 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.760 civilians without any due process is called a war crime. 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.559 Now I would add that it's not actually a war, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.640 so it's actually a lot worse because if you declare war, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.960 there are different rules. But if you do not declare war, 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:09.280 you're just doing even sort of worse stuff. Jdevans writes back, 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.000 I don't give a shit what you call it. So 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.200 this is why Trump loves a convert. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.760 Yeah, so I get really really depressed at the subject. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.680 A lot of people are like, oh, it's the find out, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.240 but this is a little too much find out for 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.440 me personally. Trump's Dow law will limit payments to hospitals 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.280 that treat low income patients, and the changes to Medicaid 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.480 are going to be extremely harmful to rural hospitals. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:33.480 And this could be a lot of. 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.680 People who are going to die from this because the 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.640 hospital is going to be too far away when hospitals, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.200 because we're already seeing this in the South that a 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.199 bunch of hospitals that were destroyed in the flooding are 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.280 making it so it's very hard for people to get 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:45.920 care in time. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:47.800 It's really really awful. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.280 Yeah, So they're going to limit payments to hospitals that 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.480 treat low incompatience. This is Trump voters, basically, critics Warren. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.920 The change to Medicaid will be particularly harmful to rural 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.400 hospitals struggling stay afloat. Now, they did this voodoo thing 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.840 with the numbers where they cut one hundred and fifty 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.400 billion dollars to rural hospitals. And then you had RFK 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.080 Junior last week talking to Bernie Sanders and he said, 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.000 we've done fifty billion dollars, so we've saved rural hospitals. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.640 But what they've done is they've restored a little bit 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.360 of the money, so they're still out one hundred billion dollars. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.400 This is going to be the thing that is going 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.079 to close rural hospitals and a lot of these towns 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.920 the only employer is the hospital or it's the largest employer, 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.760 so you'll have a rural hospital you'll have. The Mississippi 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:41.400 Hospital Association says expects Mississippi to get at least so 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.520 it was going to get five hundred million over the 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.720 next five years. I mean, this is just going to 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.440 close all these hospitals and all these people are going 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:49.960 to die. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:50.480 Yeah. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.720 So, speaking of things that aren't good, Trump didn't notify 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.720 Congress about a high Stake seal mission, and it seems 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.760 that that breach is a protocol with Congress, and this 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.959 could be a sticking point for mister Trump, according to 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:03.960 The New York Times. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.040 Yeah, I mean, look, it's like Republicans will probably go 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.560 along with it because they don't care. And I think 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.240 like one of the things I think about, like during 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.360 the RFK hearing, a lot of these Republicans gave RFK 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.840 a hard time. But they could really put the sand 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.360 in the gears. They could stop the government from working, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.160 They could do all sorts of things to get RFK out. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.920 They could say that RFK must resign. And they didn't 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.520 do any of that. They just you know, said that 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:35.360 they didn't have his full confidence. I mean, like, until 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.079 Republicans do any kind of oversight, we're just going to 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:43.040 be in free fall here. But the seal story is 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:47.200 interesting because it's from Trump's first administration. So it means 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.440 that even when they were pretending to follow the law, 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.520 they weren't, which I think is probably pretty important and relevant. Also, 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.600 they killed all these fishermen, They shot and killed everyone 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:02.520 aboard the vessel. They turned out to be unarmed civilians. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.680 We didn't learn about it for six years, probably not 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.600 a great sign. And the whole idea was that we're 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.920 doing it because of why because we're going to war 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.240 with North Korea. No, because they wanted to do some 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.920 listening device. I mean, I don't know. We're just seeing 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.760 so much carnage from this administration, even carnage we didn't 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:24.439 even know about. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:24.880 So. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.560 Evan mc morris Santorro is a reporter at Notice. Welcome 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:34.839 to Fast Politics. 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.400 Evan, so good to be here again. As always, thinks 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.600 are not going great. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.960 Well, I you know, it's it's a comparative issue, Like 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.280 I mean, I would say that August there was a 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.880 lot more fun because I was on vacation at some 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.319 points and things were quiet. And now we're in September 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.800 and so it just sort of is generally worse because 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.720 things are very busy and crazy. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:57.920 But on the other hand, we're into some. 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.760 Actual you know, legislating and lawmaking and fighting and campaigning 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.880 all sorts of stuff. So it's worse because it's busier 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.080 and things are actually happening, but also, you know, things 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:09.600 are happening, so that can be good, you know. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:10.800 I mean, I think it's sort of like how you 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:11.679 decide to look at it. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.520 Because Donald Trump is saying that he's going to declare 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.800 war with the city of Chicago. So Trump had this 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.360 meme that was like, I love the smell of deportation 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.920 in the morning, right, mean, to trigger the libs. I 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.520 think one of the big fallacies of the last decade 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.920 and dealing with Trump is that two things can be true. 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.800 He wants to trigger the libs and he also wants 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:36.480 to end on norms and institution. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.520 I mean, it's exactly right. I mean, you know, exactly right. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.200 I mean the old quote, right was take him seriously 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:43.120 but not literally. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:43.440 Right. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:45.840 That was the original thing that you know, came now 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.160 when he first ran and this idea that he's the 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.720 people who are at his rallies are having a good 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:56.120 time termed of playing along. Selena's and Helena Zita yeah, 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.760 go on, the reality of the situation is that now 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.960 you should take him serious and literally. 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.280 I mean, this is a guy who. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.640 Created something called the Department of War and is now 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:07.600 talking about war. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.120 So like it on Chicago, but of the sort of 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.959 bad stuff. Over the weekend, there was him deciding he's 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.080 going to declare war on Chicago, fresh off of his 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.760 administration losing you know, declaring war on Los Angeles basically 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:28.760 in last season, and then that war was the courts 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.360 were like, no, no, you can't actually do that because 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.880 we have this thing called the Pasa Coma Tatis Act, right, 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.400 and then he was like, oh, okay, I lost in court, 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.240 so I planned to invade Chicago. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.360 In fact, the judge actually went even farther than saying, 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.760 you can't do this because we have Passekama tatis. You know, 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.320 the judge didn't even say and you should know. The 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.320 judge says, you do know that we have it, and 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.800 you willfully ignored it. I mean, it was a very 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:01.960 strong attack on this president's attempt to use federal troops 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:03.000 as law enforcement. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:03.320 Right. 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.360 But this whole argument that's going on, it's this idea, 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.560 this is you know, it's this base play that the 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.200 idea is he's just going to keep trying to push 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.480 the out. But now again we get into that weird 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.320 moment with Trump where says I'm going to do it. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.160 I'm not saying when I'm going to do it. I'm 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:17.680 just saying I am going to do it. I'm not 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.000 saying what it's going to be able to say I'm 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:20.680 going to do it. You know, there's some reports about 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.120 him engaging with a Navy base up there to base 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.200 ice operations out of We have seen a lot of 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.800 moments where the courts have come in and sort of 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.720 like pushed this administration out of the way, and they 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.120 have like tried to ignore them but kind of listen 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.760 to them and continue to push forward and can push forward. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.560 And once again, this is one of the circumstances in 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.560 which the US Supreme Court is going to have to 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.640 eventually weigh in and make a decision on this one 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.920 way or another right because of course, the ruling in 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.920 Los Angeles, thanks to a previous Supreme Court ruling, you know, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.000 in part, only applies to Los Angeles. So Trump can 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:55.480 try to do what he did in Los Angeles in 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.320 another city and you have to then go ahead and 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.840 sue him again in that city. So legally it's very messy. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.360 But as you say, there's no indication here that this 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:08.040 administration is at all, it isn't slowing down in this present. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.080 In fact, they're ramping it up, Wisha. You know, with 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:11.160 Los Angeles it was like. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.680 We were there to protect these law enforcement officers who 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:14.800 were enforcing this stuff. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.440 With DC, it was okay in DC, lookers, a crime 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:18.960 is out of control. We're coming here to get rid 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:19.400 of the crime. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.359 With Chicago, it's like Chicago is an enemy of us. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.080 We have to go to war with their election defessionals. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:32.040 Because we don't like their governor because he's richer than 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.640 Trump is, I mean really and a liberal. I mean 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.040 there's a lot of and Obama's from there. I mean, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.440 there's not what my favorite part of the whole story 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.440 is the administration says we are going into Chicago because 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.920 of immigration, and Donald Trump says We're going into Chicago 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:47.720 because of crime. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:48.320 Right. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.360 And also, I mean, look, I think that you know, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.200 this is one of those things where we live in 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.960 a separate Americas when it comes to narratives, right, and 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.600 if you live in one America, you are looking at 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.160 a city that went through a really rough time in 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.920 the pandemic and then with this huge migrant surge like 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.399 a lot of Americans and these did and is releasing 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.720 its crime drop a great deal. If you're living in 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.720 a different America, you have watched this city elect an 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.960 extremely left wing mayor, and the belief is that this 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.399 is a say that is completely out of control crime 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.119 wise and has to be you know, taken by force 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.040 and ramped to the ground. The question, of course comes, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.800 where is the middle of that right and where do 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.680 those moderate voters or those independent voters, how do they 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.320 look at this stuff? And you know, last time you 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.520 and I talked, we talked a bit about how, like 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:36.720 some of these podcasts, bros like Tim Dillon, etc. Had 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.480 started to say, Hey, this looks a lot like the 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.760 kind of stuff that the real weirdos like Alex Jones, 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.840 you know, have been saying for years be scared of. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.440 And now as it ramps up, we'll see if they 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:50.920 go along with it or don't. I mean, it's it's 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.600 a very interesting moment for him politically, but it really is, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.000 I would imagine, pretty terrifying if you are a person. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.480 Who lives in Chicago, because you don't know what you're 0:17:58.480 --> 0:17:58.879 gonna do. 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.800 Well, I think it's important to like, none of this 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:07.280 is okay, Like no other president would do this. It's 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.400 not okay. It's against the Constitution and against the law, 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.880 which is why he keeps losing a court. So even 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.320 if the political calculus, like we're looking at the political calculus, 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:22.399 which is certainly important, the larger like American democracy story, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.399 which is that this is unprecedented, and so we have 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.119 opened the door if Donald Trump, if his presidency ends, 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.560 which we assume it will at some point, we are 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.880 now in uncharted territories. Right. That's then the question of 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.640 like when you see stuff like this, I know it's 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.639 out of fashion to say like, oh my god, because 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.400 part of the reason he does it is to say, 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.880 oh my god. But it is truly like uncharted territory. 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.640 Well, I think oh my god is a very important 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.320 aspect of it. I Mean, the thing is, I think 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.000 what you're talking about is also politics too. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:54.159 You know. 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:58.680 I interviewed Catherine Cortez Mastow, the senator out of Nevada, 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.720 the other day, and we're talking about a lot of 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:02.640 stuff that's going on right this this is a month 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.200 about spending bills and a month you know about you know, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.320 all the sort of leveraging the power of the purse, 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.320 et cetera. And Cortes Masto is a person who wants 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.359 to be She's a Democrat who wants to find a 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.760 middle path, you know, a way where we can get 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.760 back to compromise and sort of traditional order. The kind 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.200 of democrat a lot of left wing democrats. 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.720 Don't like a lot. This is what she's trying to do. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.000 And the thing is she said this amazing thing to me. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.080 Where she was like the weirdest thing for me about this, 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.439 you know, she says is there are all these Republicans 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.840 in this entire branch of government and they're not doing 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.720 anything about it. This, I mean, our system is designed 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.960 with a check and balance system. The most amazing thing 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.359 is Trump, who has all this power, actually has an 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.439 equal check in the legislative branch. Right, and so the 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.439 idea of two branches of government sort of being taken. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.760 This is the part that's very, very crazy. Right. 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.480 We've had presidents before who have a lot of delusions 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.080 of grandeur, and we're to try a bunch of stuff 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.360 that they are not legally allowed to do. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.880 Other branches come in and smack them down. 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.720 Right now, you have a situation where this president wants 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.880 to do stuff, the legislative branch appears to so far 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.239 have zero interest in stopping or doing anything about it, 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.239 which leads it up to this judicial branch. And you know, 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.600