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Speaker 1: also stay tuned because we have more UFO episodes on

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Speaker 1: the way. From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies.

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Speaker 1: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back

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Speaker 1: M Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: my name is Nolan, my name has been your you.

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Speaker 1: And when all of us joined forces together that makes

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Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. It basically

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Speaker 1: formed like Vultron. I'm the hat a vultra, a shadowy

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Speaker 1: like this having some issues with perspective. You know, it

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Speaker 1: does look a little more oblong, but maybe we're seeing

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Speaker 1: the top of it, you know, maybe we're just like

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Speaker 1: the perspective is everything. It's interesting though. It's a neat picture.

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Speaker 1: It does. It's a very very compelling picture. I just

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Speaker 1: don't know if we're able to see exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: So this photo that we're discussing here is pretty famous.

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Speaker 1: There are several versions of it that have been retouched

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Speaker 1: over the years. Um it appeared in in the l

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Speaker 1: A Times. But you know, it's it's very common before

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Speaker 1: you when you take a photo like this and then

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Speaker 1: you want to put it in the newspaper, so you

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Speaker 1: take it to the print, right, the big press. It's

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Speaker 1: very common, or it was and it still is today

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Speaker 1: to retouch photographs to make sure you get the best

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Speaker 1: image that you possibly can that will look the best

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Speaker 1: in that black and white format. And we even have

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Speaker 1: a quote from the l A Times with an update

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Speaker 1: about this photo. In the retail version, many light beams

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Speaker 1: were lightened and widened with white paint, while other beams

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Speaker 1: were eliminated. In earlier years, was common for newspapers to

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Speaker 1: use artists to retouch images due to poor reproduction. Basically

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Speaker 1: ten shades of gray if you were lucky. Thus my conclusion,

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Speaker 1: the retouching was needed to reproduce the image, but man,

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Speaker 1: I wish the retouching had been more faithful to the original.

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Speaker 1: With our current standards, this image would not be published.

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Speaker 1: And that's a statement by Scott Harrison over the Times.

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Speaker 1: So altered but not altered to uh deceive people, not necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but still it's I mean, they're putting white paint onto

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Speaker 1: the image, right, it's a super compelling photo that white

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00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: paint acts to great effect, and those lights of those

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00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: beams of lights are super stark, and they're all kind

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Speaker 1: of converging on this form in the sky. And I

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Speaker 1: mean it it looks like, um, a saucer shaped sort

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Speaker 1: of like an elliptical shaped thing. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: could see how people could definitely latch onto that. It's

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Speaker 1: a very very cool, compelling image. But I can also

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Speaker 1: see the idea of taking that paint and making it more,

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Speaker 1: you know, pop kind of more. I mean, we're used

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Speaker 1: to that now, you know, with like Instagram, you can

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Speaker 1: have a four year old take a picture and slap

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Speaker 1: on Instagram filter on, and all of a sudden it

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Speaker 1: looks compelling. But this is very interesting for the time.

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Speaker 1: So this is a representation of what happened. We know

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Speaker 1: that there were a ton of human beings probably, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can imagine some people are outside looking up, or

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Speaker 1: at least in the window, looking up as they're taking

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Speaker 1: shelter from all this noise. What did witnesses say they saw?

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Speaker 1: So you'll hear people who want to push their own agenda,

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00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: whether they believe it was a weather balloon, whether they

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00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: believe it was some kind of craft, whether they believe

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Speaker 1: it was nothing. There's a bad habit people can sometimes

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Speaker 1: have wherein they will say, okay, out of these, ten thousand,

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Speaker 1: out of these, but eventually two million people. Uh the

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Speaker 1: thousand who say that they saw this are the ones

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Speaker 1: who are clearly right, because that's what I believe. So also,

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Speaker 1: as we know these multiple there are multiple accounts from

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Speaker 1: the evening that widely contradict one another, and unfortunately, eyewitnesses

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Speaker 1: are incredibly unreliable. So there are many many eyewitnesses who

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Speaker 1: say they saw some sort of sucer shaped thing that

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Speaker 1: was flying in a way they had never seen a

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Speaker 1: craft fly before. There are many many eyewitnesses who say

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Speaker 1: that they saw multiple things fighting in the air, of

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Speaker 1: of war between humans and aliens, or war between the

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Speaker 1: Japanese and the Allied forces or the Japanese in the US.

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Speaker 1: At this point, should we should throw in there really fast?

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Speaker 1: But with the multiple aircraft and multiple things fighting in

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Speaker 1: the air, the military they were using tracer and munition,

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Speaker 1: so you could see the bullets flying through the air,

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Speaker 1: and you can imagine what that might look like to

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Speaker 1: an untrained eye, all these beams of light essentially going across.

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Speaker 1: And so here we are toward the modern day. The

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Speaker 1: current official stance here in the US remains the same

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00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: as the nine three investigation concluded, and that stances that

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00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: UH tensions were high, people had war nerves, and routine

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00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: meteorological or weather balloons deployed around three AM prompted an

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00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: attack because the city was already on high alert with

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Speaker 1: the air raid siren going off at one However, it's

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Speaker 1: not likely the American public will ever consider this entirely solved,

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00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: regardless of what the government says, unless more evidence emerges.

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Speaker 1: We're stuck within official explanation that many people think is

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00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: malarkey or at the very least murky malarkey. Malurkey, yes, alurky.

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Speaker 1: And there's the lasting consequences to this, regardless of what

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00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: you are convinced happened, and regardless how many people do

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00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: or don't agree with you. One of the lasting consequences

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00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: which stays today is accelerated UH state discrimination against innocent

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Speaker 1: American civilians, particularly in this case, Japanese American residents. At

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00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: the time, the US government was already actively UH interning

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00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: people and and detaining them would be a good word.

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00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: And this also descends to you know, descends down to

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Speaker 1: the modern day when we have we have people with

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00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: legitimate concerns that one day a federal power will simply

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00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: decide that they are a risk and then boom bag

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00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: over your head, shipped you off somewhere, and that that

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00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: belief is the result of occurrences like this. But I

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Speaker 1: have to ask you, guys, what do you think now?

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00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 1: Certainly think it was one of the in my opinion,

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00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: one of the coolest pieces of the past dealing with

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00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: the UFO, just because of the image. I think that image,

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Speaker 1: like you said, no, it's everything. It conjures so much,

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00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: so many other thoughts in my head about what it

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00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: would be like if an extra tricks terrestrial craft descended

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00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: on a city, and like, what what how do we

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00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: react in that immediate moment if one comes down in

532
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 1: the military is ready to go already, and the government

533
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: response was so overtly shady and just like non informative.

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00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: You know it just it It allows your mind to

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00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: kind of run wild a little bit, especially when you

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00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: pair it with an image like that. Well, it's also

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00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: the immediate response of shooting the absolute crap of whatever

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00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: it is that's overhead before confirming what it is. You

539
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: know it is that we don't know what it is

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00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: in the sky. But it's in our airspace and we

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00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: have all these weapons, so shoot that thing down that

542
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: happens today that well, no, that's what I mean. Like,

543
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: but that's a very human thing. I think of your

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00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: encroaching on my my territory and already war. Yeah, well

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00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have been there. Sorry. There's also the yeah,

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00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: the inherent distrust. Imagine when you're a kid if your

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00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: parents tell you two completely different things, right, Uh, what

548
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: happened to our dog? Oh he's at the doctor. No,

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00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: don't trust your dad, he's dead. Or at the farm.

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00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: That's that's what I heard, right, Yeah, at the farm. Uh,

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00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: at the dead dog farm. So with this in mind,

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Speaker 1: we want to hear your opinions. What do you think happened?

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00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: Do you have new information that you think should come

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00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: to light? Uh? Do you know someone who witnessed this,

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Speaker 1: maybe a maybe a parent or a grandparent or something,

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Speaker 1: and if so, what is their account of the events.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna head out now, but in the meantime, if

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode, of course, we'd love to hear

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Speaker 1: treasure trove of shoutouts that will get their own episode.

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