Speaker 1: It's two twenty a m. In the Shallow and you're
Speaker 1: listening Tonight Call. Hello, and welcome to Night Call, a
Speaker 1: podcast where your strange days and lonely nights. My name
Speaker 1: is Emily Chida. I am in New York with a
Speaker 1: kind of frock in my throat. I'm sorry, everybody. And
Speaker 1: on the other line in Los Angeles, we have Molly
Speaker 1: Lambert on the Frog and joining me is Test Lynch.
Speaker 1: I'm not a reptile or amphibian. And also today we
Speaker 1: have a special guest, Jack O'Brien. Hi, thanks for having me. Guys.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: the show, and I was saying before we started recording,
Speaker 1: super intimidated by last week's guest because I have not
Speaker 1: seen any ghosts, let alone like thirty Richard Rushfield has
Speaker 1: definitely out ghosted everyone here. But Jack is the co
Speaker 1: host of the wonderful daily Zeitgeist on How Stuff Works.
Speaker 1: It's a daily podcast that really you guys talk about
Speaker 1: pretty much everything. We try to cover it all and
Speaker 1: it's really awesome. Molly and I were lucky enough to
Speaker 1: guest a little while ago, so we were very thrilled
Speaker 1: to have Jack here to very excited that Jack is
Speaker 1: here for our Star is Born special. Wait, I asked
Speaker 1: a question, Jack, how do you do a daily podcast?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like it's I mean, it just seems
Speaker 1: like such an amazing feat to do it logistically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we were both came in this morning talking about
Speaker 1: like what we did for self care over the weekend
Speaker 1: because last week was brutal. Yeah, I saw a Star
Speaker 1: is Born for my self care, and I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people's Yeah, yeah, exactly. My co host
Speaker 1: ate a bunch of horrible food. So what kind of
Speaker 1: horrible food? Because we do talk about that on the podcast.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we have it. We are not
Speaker 1: supposed to talk about the horrible food though, Okay, we got,
Speaker 1: we got, we gotta okay, But that was that was
Speaker 1: specifically about one condiment. We did a deep into that
Speaker 1: condiment on our show as well. Yeah, now we're talking
Speaker 1: about just that condiment. I just want to know what
Speaker 1: Jack and Miles think. We more did a deep dive
Speaker 1: on the article that brought it to everyone's attention, just
Speaker 1: did a close reading and tried to kind of get
Speaker 1: get a feel for the author and her intentions. Jack
Speaker 1: I'm in between or I am situational, Emily, you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of all the real news. Um, Emily, you went
Speaker 1: to d C this weekend. I did. I made a
Speaker 1: very spur of the moment decision to go to d
Speaker 1: C um after seeing Stars Born, after having my self
Speaker 1: care on Friday, and uh, I had some frequent Flyer
Speaker 1: miles to burn, and you know, I don't have no
Speaker 1: I'm not saving up for anything in particular. So I
Speaker 1: was like, what are these four if not to go
Speaker 1: um be physically present at politically at a moment of
Speaker 1: despair and heartbreak. So that's what I did. I went
Speaker 1: to d C by myself and basically just for the day.
Speaker 1: I had a return flight for the next day. And
Speaker 1: then I was so exhausted by like six o'clock or
Speaker 1: whenever they were actually swearing him in that I kind
Speaker 1: of was like, I can't. I can then I'll sticking
Speaker 1: around here. I gotta get out of Dodge um. And
Speaker 1: that's like also like even just walking from the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court to the train station to get the amtrack back, like,
Speaker 1: I started to see like parties, like celebratory parties happening,
Speaker 1: and I was like, nope, nope, no, I'm getting out
Speaker 1: of here. Um. But I got there. I got in it. Like. Um,
Speaker 1: I actually got to the Supreme Court where they were
Speaker 1: doing this sort of like people's filibuster thing where um,
Speaker 1: kind of the crowd was gathering and they had a
Speaker 1: megaphone and they were just like letting people take their
Speaker 1: turns tell their's survival stories or you know, like any
Speaker 1: story basically about not being listened to or her as
Speaker 1: women or as trans women, or as like literally anybody
Speaker 1: and um. And that started in the morning, and then
Speaker 1: once they were taking the vote, everybody went over to
Speaker 1: the Capital. A bunch of people got arrested for like
Speaker 1: going on the steps. Um. I did not get arrested. Um.
Speaker 1: I I made the calculation in my mind that it
Speaker 1: was not worth it that time to get arrested. I
Speaker 1: heard later, I'm not sure if this is true or
Speaker 1: not that I heard a rumor the people who were
Speaker 1: arrested wouldn't be released until Tuesday because Monday is a holiday. Yes,
Speaker 1: I heard that also. That was that was that was
Speaker 1: what the word was around there. I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was pretty crazy. I mean I didn't go up
Speaker 1: on the steps of the Capitol building because I went
Speaker 1: to go get food because I was very hungry at
Speaker 1: that point. Um. But when I came back, everybody was
Speaker 1: kind of they brought like a tour bus, like the
Speaker 1: police had a like a tour like a coach bus
Speaker 1: for bringing away like taking the people who got arrested away.
Speaker 1: It was like a hundred and fifty people or something
Speaker 1: got arrested. Um. It was nuts. Uh. And then you
Speaker 1: you came home and drowned your sorrows and the stars
Speaker 1: point before I know, before I was like, yeah I did.
Speaker 1: On Friday night, I saw it again, uh and it
Speaker 1: was great. Um. I love Stars Born. We'll get into
Speaker 1: it a second. And I was also like, okay, I
Speaker 1: did my escapism like Friday evening. Now I've got to
Speaker 1: go because I just anticipated sitting around in my apartment
Speaker 1: on Saturday when they confirm him and just feeling like
Speaker 1: so useless and miserable and so in many ways, it
Speaker 1: was a self decision to go to wash think. So
Speaker 1: I was just like, if I'm at home, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna just start start pounding the wine. And that's like
Speaker 1: the most oppressing thing I can think of right now.
Speaker 1: So um, I'd rather be there. Um and like around
Speaker 1: people who were genuinely pretty inspiring. Like there's a woman
Speaker 1: there is from Planned Parenthood who was sort of like
Speaker 1: she was kind of the person who was telling us
Speaker 1: what was happening as it was happening inside the Capital
Speaker 1: Building and inside the sure and Corps, like as he
Speaker 1: was getting confirmed in everything, and you know, being super
Speaker 1: real with everybody, but also like just so determined about
Speaker 1: like this is not over, like we're going to keep
Speaker 1: fighting every step in the of the way for everything.
Speaker 1: And it was just like I was, I was very
Speaker 1: grateful to be around that and all the very real
Speaker 1: emotion that was going on there instead of like in
Speaker 1: my Brooklyn apart crying being sad about I mean I
Speaker 1: was crying there too, but you were crying about Bradley
Speaker 1: Cooper there. How tragic. Thank you for going to d
Speaker 1: C it and whatever. It's like, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: know it was nice too for for Molly and me
Speaker 1: because you know, you were sharing what was going on
Speaker 1: with us, and it was you know, it does feel
Speaker 1: very isolating. I think to watch these things play out
Speaker 1: if you are not able to put your body there,
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard because I think I definitely wish
Speaker 1: I had been there and it, you know, it was
Speaker 1: nice solidarity system solidarity. Yeah, oh well, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I figured that that would be the reason I
Speaker 1: would share anything. It's just like that, you know, like
Speaker 1: there are people there who are fighting this, you know,
Speaker 1: or like they're like doing an action physically even if
Speaker 1: you can't, and that I feel like it can be
Speaker 1: reassuring to know even if you can't be there. So yeah, um, anyway,
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Speaker 1: take a nightcall. This is a night email from I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say anonymous because I don't want to get them
Speaker 1: in trouble at their work. All right, dear nightcall, am
Speaker 1: I morally obligated to keep people I don't like or
Speaker 1: agree with around. I work for a Minneapolis home improvement
Speaker 1: company run by conservative white guys. In fact, I think
Speaker 1: I may have been an equal opportunity employment higher now
Speaker 1: the I think of it. Part of me wants to
Speaker 1: find a place to work where I can have arguments
Speaker 1: about things like the value of rap beefs instead of
Speaker 1: the value of wrap itself. I don't want to live
Speaker 1: in a bubble, or do I. It should be said
Speaker 1: that this company has been good to me overall. I'm
Speaker 1: not leaving because I'm uncomfortable. More, I'm looking to try
Speaker 1: something new, and it's something I'm thinking about going forward. Also,
Speaker 1: for a brief time in America, hippos were going to
Speaker 1: be the answer to our food shortage. Happy night, call,
Speaker 1: oh Jack, what do you think? Um? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: a lot about bubbles living in Los Angeles, And I
Speaker 1: mean I I do think that there's some value to
Speaker 1: being around like minded people because then you can, you know,
Speaker 1: motivate others and kind of motivate collective action and together
Speaker 1: motivate Taylor Swift to come out and join join the resistance. Uh,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, it's it's so tough if you're
Speaker 1: if you if you have to feed a family or
Speaker 1: just feed yourself, and you're you know, having having to
Speaker 1: each ship on a daily basis from like somebody who
Speaker 1: just is you find soul withering to your very core.
Speaker 1: Like I've been in that position, and it's pretty terrible,
Speaker 1: and I consider it pure luck that I got out
Speaker 1: of that situation. I didn't like take a stand and
Speaker 1: you know, storm out of the office or anything. So
Speaker 1: I think it's good that he's asking the question, I guess,
Speaker 1: and I encourage him to continue to ask it. Well,
Speaker 1: it sounds like that he or she has an opportunity
Speaker 1: to to get go somewhere else, Like it sounds like
Speaker 1: the decision to go to another job is already kind
Speaker 1: of taking place. And they're like, and if that's the case,
Speaker 1: if you are able to get into another job where
Speaker 1: you're not riching people whose values do you hate, then like, definitely,
Speaker 1: by all means, get out of there. It's like, obviously
Speaker 1: very real that sometimes the job you have is not
Speaker 1: is not one where you are sharing space with the
Speaker 1: best people in the world. But and you know, you've
Speaker 1: got to look after yourself sometimes I understand that, but
Speaker 1: like if you have the opportunity to get out absolutely
Speaker 1: like although workplaces where you can talk about rap beefs
Speaker 1: are overrated, Uh, well yeah, I definitely think that you
Speaker 1: would if you can finess the segue between jobs where
Speaker 1: there's no dead time, where you're not risking being unemployed,
Speaker 1: if you leave, um, then personally I would do that.
Speaker 1: But also I think the question also becomes like how
Speaker 1: how conservative are these guys? Um? For me, I think recently,
Speaker 1: you know, it's very easy to like, if someone disagrees
Speaker 1: with you at all, just feel very allergic to them, um,
Speaker 1: And I definitely have that. But I also I mean,
Speaker 1: or if they're truly horrible, like white supremacists, then maybe leave,
Speaker 1: I mean regardless of what I personally couldn't keep going
Speaker 1: in that kind of atmosphere. And so it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a question of like, are they kind of clueless
Speaker 1: like never Trumper, kind of like people that sort of
Speaker 1: suck but aren't like actual racist, horrible people, or are
Speaker 1: they actually like fascists. Well, they sound a little racist
Speaker 1: if they think rap has no value, But I'm also
Speaker 1: like they could be like five years old, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it's like if you need a job, You're
Speaker 1: probably going to have to work with some people who
Speaker 1: you don't like or agree with, because that's what happening
Speaker 1: a job is. But if you can get a different
Speaker 1: job where you don't have to do that, maybe go
Speaker 1: for it. It sounds like you don't love this job
Speaker 1: or anything, and it seems more like the issue for
Speaker 1: me at least issue would be more am I helping
Speaker 1: enriched people who suck? Then? Like, is my own tolerance
Speaker 1: for being around rhetoric being challenged? Because that's going to
Speaker 1: be life for a long time. You're gonna be around
Speaker 1: people whose views you hate. But if you're if you're
Speaker 1: making people more rich so that they can screw over
Speaker 1: other people and vote and give their money to uh
Speaker 1: candidates whose values you disagree with them, maybe uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's another thing to measure for that point. Do you
Speaker 1: think that people have like a like a moral obligation
Speaker 1: to try and educate other people about ignorance? Yes? Oh god?
Speaker 1: Or do you think it's too difficult if that person
Speaker 1: is like your boss and you can't tell them they're
Speaker 1: being an idiot? There are subtle ways to do it,
Speaker 1: I think, even if it's just by refusing to agree
Speaker 1: just to be polite. I mean, I think that that
Speaker 1: that's something that you can do without endangering your job.
Speaker 1: Do you not think so? I don't know. This weekend,
Speaker 1: I got so exhausted, like overhearing people trying to like calmly,
Speaker 1: you know, argue their cases to the mo of people
Speaker 1: who were there's counter protesters, and it like it was
Speaker 1: like so exhausting. I had to leave the earshot of
Speaker 1: this conversation just because it was bumming me out so much,
Speaker 1: because it's just like it's just like running up against
Speaker 1: the wall over again, and it's really depressing. Like you
Speaker 1: wish that, like, you know, rational conversation could win out,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Well, it's like when they start
Speaker 1: making me feel crazy, which happens a lot, because it's
Speaker 1: like they'll assume like a faux rational kind of like well,
Speaker 1: you know, you have your opinion and I have one,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, but your opinion is like women
Speaker 1: aren't people, so we can't like civil have a civil
Speaker 1: disagreement about this. Yeah. I feel like the those types
Speaker 1: of people are those types of opinions are getting to
Speaker 1: the point that they're so bad that it's almost indefensible.
Speaker 1: So I mean, just making them defend it out loud
Speaker 1: at the very least, we'll give you some peace of
Speaker 1: mind that okay, well I did what I could, or
Speaker 1: you know, you start to come station that eventually makes
Speaker 1: you feel better about where you work, but actually addressing it,
Speaker 1: it seems like more and more just kind of being
Speaker 1: passive doesn't really work anymore. And that, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know that the selfishness you were talking about Emily about
Speaker 1: like going down there because you felt like you wouldn't
Speaker 1: like the feeling of staying around is still That's the
Speaker 1: sort of selfishness that I feel like saves the species
Speaker 1: rather than destroys it. Be that kind of selfish and
Speaker 1: I hope that this is helpful for it sounds like
Speaker 1: a un fun situation. Quick question though, based on the end.
Speaker 1: If we were in a horrible food shortage and the
Speaker 1: only answer we're eating hippos, where do you guys fall
Speaker 1: I've never tried it, but sure I wonder where it
Speaker 1: like I would go veget Harry and probably first. But
Speaker 1: it's cool. But what if we need to eat all
Speaker 1: the hippos to deal with the ramp? Yeah? Sure, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to do something with it. I heard about
Speaker 1: jellyfish to jellyfish are going to be the big food
Speaker 1: source because there are so many of them, How do
Speaker 1: they have any good nights? I like that. We both
Speaker 1: think that way. We We're like, well, if you're dieting,
Speaker 1: then they've got calories in them. They're probably like those
Speaker 1: weird cellulose noodles. Dry them out and pound them down.
Speaker 1: What was called something like that, Jerry Tak Yeah, there
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Speaker 1: of the future, the past? A Star is Born. We
Speaker 1: all saw Stars Born. Emily saw it first at a
Speaker 1: film festival, and then we all saw it when it
Speaker 1: came out in theaters. Um and Emily also proposed that
Speaker 1: we should watch all the versions, and so some of
Speaker 1: us did take her up on that ride. I didn't
Speaker 1: even succeed in that they're all on films track. We
Speaker 1: we almost succeeded. I did them all except the q
Speaker 1: Car because I've seen that one before. Um, Emily did
Speaker 1: the q cor but not the seventies one, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one. I just saw the William
Speaker 1: Wellman one. And yeah, Jack, how many Stars Born have
Speaker 1: you seen? Unfortunately, just the one. Did you know anything
Speaker 1: about the movie going in? I did. I had kind
Speaker 1: of read up. The trailer has been in heavy rotation
Speaker 1: in the daily Zeyegeist offices UM to the point that
Speaker 1: when the song The Shadows actually came up, it was
Speaker 1: like this weird existential experience because I was hearing the
Speaker 1: full song for like the third time in my life,
Speaker 1: but I was hearing that clip for the fifty and
Speaker 1: so I was like, wait where it almost felt like
Speaker 1: it was like clipped out and just like paste it in. Um.
Speaker 1: But that scene was amazing. It was I can I
Speaker 1: create a safe space for us to talk about the
Speaker 1: movie and just let people know that there maybe spoilers ahead,
Speaker 1: spoilers ahead, I can't talk about the movie without spoiling
Speaker 1: Teslas to create a safe space for people who did
Speaker 1: not like the music in the movie whatsoever. It honestly
Speaker 1: is a space that is just intended to hold myself
Speaker 1: because I know I'm the only person who feels this way.
Speaker 1: But I felt that way. I mean, honestly, I felt
Speaker 1: that way. Why I convinced my husband to feel that way?
Speaker 1: After working on him for really, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't really like it. Why did you do that
Speaker 1: to me? Though? Why did you do that to me?
Speaker 1: It made me like fringe, It made me I don't know,
Speaker 1: It's like, it's it's hard because I'm like everyone else
Speaker 1: is feeling things right now and I'm just not. And
Speaker 1: the only moment that made me feel some thing very
Speaker 1: deeply in that film spoiler spoiler was when he wet
Speaker 1: his pants at the Grammy and I got down in
Speaker 1: my seat, I like hunkered down, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: like I was going to cross. I was just very
Speaker 1: I was like really disturbed. And it was a good,
Speaker 1: good scenes funny because like having watched all the other versions,
Speaker 1: like I knew that was coming, and yet when it happened,
Speaker 1: when they got up to like, oh, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: she's going to win the Grammy. And then he's going
Speaker 1: to get on speed on stage and make the speech
Speaker 1: because that's what happens in every version. Um. And then
Speaker 1: when he wasn't talking, he just kind of stood there.
Speaker 1: I was like started falling asleep. He's going to piss himself.
Speaker 1: You knew, you knew? I didn't know, Yes, I did.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of foreshadowing in that movie. There's
Speaker 1: there's a there's an actual shot he drink like a
Speaker 1: whole bottle of water before he went on, you know,
Speaker 1: she said as he sits down, He's like, I was
Speaker 1: trying to go to the bathroom, but somebody like rushed
Speaker 1: me down to this seat. I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like they pulled me out of the bathroom
Speaker 1: or something. Shadowing. Molly, how does that play out in
Speaker 1: the other versions, like what's that scene? Like in every version,
Speaker 1: it's that she finally gets like, you know, she's becoming
Speaker 1: a star, and she went toward her career the award
Speaker 1: of her career and he's won it before and then
Speaker 1: he gets up there and just like like ruins it
Speaker 1: by being so embarrassing. So in the one, the q
Speaker 1: cor one, he is like asking for work, which is
Speaker 1: really brutal, like that's almost hirable at this point, and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, you know, none of you guys will
Speaker 1: hire me, but if anybody know of any studio, it'll
Speaker 1: take me. Like it's really bad, it's really bad. In
Speaker 1: the in the first one, he's like, hey, they give
Speaker 1: out Frederick March is the guy in the first round,
Speaker 1: and he's amazing. I mean, it's been great. From watching
Speaker 1: all the versions, I was like, oh, this is such
Speaker 1: a great part for a guy. I totally understand why
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper was like, what a great part for me,
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper um. But in the first one he's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: like they given awards for best Actor, they should give
Speaker 1: awards for worst Actor, and they should give them all
Speaker 1: to me. What he's like, give me the award for
Speaker 1: Worst Performance. You know, fun is act that Um the
Speaker 1: actress in it? Oh god wait Janet Gaynor. Janet Gaynor
Speaker 1: won the actual first Oscar for Best Actor. Really and
Speaker 1: she she's a real I mean, you know this movie
Speaker 1: in every version. I was saying, I think one of
Speaker 1: the reasons it endures is it's about just like a
Speaker 1: weird looking lady that a hot guy falls in love with.
Speaker 1: I have a quick question, but the first one really
Speaker 1: and he sees inside her soul and it's like, she's
Speaker 1: a beautiful soul. And everybody's like, why are you dating
Speaker 1: that weird lady? And he's like, because I love her
Speaker 1: and I'm a drunk. So the first is the first
Speaker 1: real star is born called what Price Hall. No, that's before,
Speaker 1: but that that's like what it loosely Hollywood, And there's
Speaker 1: all these real old Hollywood marriages that it's supposedly based on.
Speaker 1: What I had heard was that it was based on
Speaker 1: al Jolson and Ruby Keeler, and then there's other people
Speaker 1: who said it was Barbara Stanwick and her husband. Um,
Speaker 1: but there's so many examples in Hollywood of like a
Speaker 1: star who started dating a starlett and then the starlett
Speaker 1: surpasses them that there are like a lot of people
Speaker 1: that I think are like it was this couple inspired it,
Speaker 1: But the point is like it could have been any
Speaker 1: of these people us all this time. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: saw someone making a good argument of like, well, the
Speaker 1: first one it's about all these different heights of fame
Speaker 1: in different eras. So the first one is like old Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and the second one is like classic Golden era Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and then it's like seventies rock, and then this is
Speaker 1: whatever this is. That was a question I had. Why
Speaker 1: would they update it with a rock star when rock
Speaker 1: music is totally none I actually thought, because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a fantasy movie. Rock music is popular. But I
Speaker 1: thought they actually did a decent job with that by
Speaker 1: making him a country rock star, because I was like,
Speaker 1: they know that he couldn't just be your rock star
Speaker 1: because that doesn't exist, and she couldn't just be a
Speaker 1: rock star like she could be, like she has to
Speaker 1: translate that into pop somehow, Like she's like kind of
Speaker 1: taking on almost Taylor Swift type model, right, like you know,
Speaker 1: singer songwriter legitimacy to choreography pop type stuff. It kind
Speaker 1: of makes the most sense in the seventies one, because
Speaker 1: in the seventies one, he's like just a ship kicking
Speaker 1: like seventies like denim tuxedo kind of rocker guy. And
Speaker 1: then she's like Carol King. Basically, she's like a piano lady,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's like a time when a piano
Speaker 1: lady could become a rock star, the only time. So
Speaker 1: that one is amazing because it's so soft rock, and uh,
Speaker 1: the outfits are amazing. And then at the end it's
Speaker 1: like all outfits from Barbra Streisand's own closet. That's the
Speaker 1: only one where that's the only one where it seems
Speaker 1: a little bit like she's like happy that she that
Speaker 1: he died because now she's the only person on screen. Um.
Speaker 1: And I was telling you guys, the romantic bathtub scene
Speaker 1: in that one is amazing because they are surrounded by
Speaker 1: Schlitz cans, empty schlitz cans with candles in them. Um. Like,
Speaker 1: the meltdown stuff in that one is great because it's
Speaker 1: so seventies that it's like he like rides a motorcycle
Speaker 1: into the crowd. That's his big funk up, And so
Speaker 1: the point is like he's not even failing as an artist.
Speaker 1: It's just he becomes uninsurable because he's becoming like hard,
Speaker 1: rocks too hard, he has too much rock star excess.
Speaker 1: He like shoots at a helicopter that's flying away with
Speaker 1: his manager, Gary Busey in it Um, And that's the
Speaker 1: one that's written by Joan Diddion and Gregory Dunn Um,
Speaker 1: which is really interesting because there's like no no memorable
Speaker 1: lines in it Um, but also because Joan Diddion and
Speaker 1: Gregory Dunn are a couple where the woman is much
Speaker 1: more famous from the band. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: interesting that they were movie It's sort of funny that, like,
Speaker 1: both Joan Diddion and Dorothy Parker have made their mark
Speaker 1: on the Star Is borns over time, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like Lady Gaga has kind of similarly
Speaker 1: made her mark on this most current one, like especially
Speaker 1: given how much of the music that she wrote and
Speaker 1: worked on, which is sort of interesting to think of
Speaker 1: her in that particular line of succession. Yeah, we were
Speaker 1: talking about We were like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: movie people right when they realized there's no money in
Speaker 1: journalism and they have to go write a movie like
Speaker 1: a Star Is Born. Jack did you have a favorite
Speaker 1: scene from this iteration of a Star? Is probably the Shallows? Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so great, So where you really moved? I think
Speaker 1: it was wishful like it was, you know, like the
Speaker 1: idea of somebody getting to a huge concert and then
Speaker 1: like getting pulled up and just like unleashing this song
Speaker 1: that's been in their heart all along. And she sings
Speaker 1: so hard like she's like she really let out. She
Speaker 1: also does a better job of seeming like surprised by
Speaker 1: how good she is than Stary sand does, who sort
Speaker 1: of looks like, oh what, I'm great at singing? Um.
Speaker 1: I also it was it was originally going to be
Speaker 1: brought the Cooper and Beyonce, which I also was all
Speaker 1: like when that was on the table, and it was
Speaker 1: going to be Clint Eastwood directing it because it's been
Speaker 1: bouncing around forever because I think it's in the public domain,
Speaker 1: you can remake it. Um. But there was gonna be
Speaker 1: a nineties one with Winney Houston and Will Smith. This
Speaker 1: one very much turned into the bodyguard at the end.
Speaker 1: Also well, she actually gets a number at the end,
Speaker 1: which I don't know about the one, but the thing
Speaker 1: that always leaves a bad taste in my mouth about
Speaker 1: the other two is that the last line of it
Speaker 1: is her saying I'm Vicky Mayne or no, I'm mrs
Speaker 1: Mrs Norman Man, and everybody applauds and like the victory
Speaker 1: of his that she's like claimed by her husband forevermore,
Speaker 1: her dead drunk husband forevermore, which is like kind of
Speaker 1: a weird victorious note to go out on. And this one,
Speaker 1: like she doesn't have that line, but she's still singing
Speaker 1: about how she'll never love again, which is a lot,
Speaker 1: especially considering I was trying to break down the actual
Speaker 1: timeline of this, this most recent Stars Born. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's interesting to try to break down for any of them,
Speaker 1: but this one because you because it takes place now,
Speaker 1: and it hinges on some events that we know when
Speaker 1: they take place, such as Stage Coach, the Grammy Awards,
Speaker 1: so you can kind of figure out how much time goes.
Speaker 1: But you thought about this more than they did. I
Speaker 1: think you guys are not on Twitter to the degree
Speaker 1: I am about a Stars Born. But Allison Wilmore from
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed started asking about Well, first she wanted to know
Speaker 1: where Ali and her dad live. Oh, I was totally
Speaker 1: preoccupied by that. Well, at first I thought it looked
Speaker 1: like Queens, and then they were like, Okay, we're going
Speaker 1: to drive on a motorcycle to Arizona. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: where are they? And then was Queens. That's crazy to me.
Speaker 1: To me, it was like summertime and Queens. I thought
Speaker 1: it was Queens because he was Italian because we all
Speaker 1: know Lady Gagas from New York because she never stopped
Speaker 1: talking about stops talking at and so I just was like,
Speaker 1: her dad is like a New York Italian Queen's guy.
Speaker 1: I it's like broadcasting a borough. But then when they
Speaker 1: were driving Arizona, I was like, oh, it must be
Speaker 1: Burbank because Burbank would make sense, or van Eys because
Speaker 1: that would be where the drivers would live bettle the airports.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like they live in like like
Speaker 1: Altadina or Arcadia or something that was not that well,
Speaker 1: Alta Dina and Arcadia are very different places. Emily, Well,
Speaker 1: I know, but like up in like north and east
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles or like just east is like because
Speaker 1: the bar that there, and he's like driving back to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles after being in in Palm Springs. I will
Speaker 1: tell you, I didn't realize it was Los Angeles until
Speaker 1: when they went in the grocery store. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's my grocery store. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, I'm just projecting because all
Speaker 1: grocery stores look the same. But then they cut to
Speaker 1: the outside and I was like, it is my grocery store.
Speaker 1: It's super a. See. I figured out it was Los
Speaker 1: Angeles when you guys just said it like five minutes.
Speaker 1: I was totally thought thoughts Queen's because that's where we
Speaker 1: put our Italian people. And yeah, I was totally. I
Speaker 1: was too busy looking for cues that he might piss himself.
Speaker 1: The setting was I decided, especially because he was country,
Speaker 1: I was saying, I decided that he was Keith Urban
Speaker 1: was my I was trying to match him up, and
Speaker 1: since I don't know any country musicians, I was like
Speaker 1: Jack what Yeah. Well, also because he was from Arizona,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know who the most famous
Speaker 1: rock band from Arizona is Alice Cooper. They were a
Speaker 1: bunch of baseball jocks from Arizona who became became freak
Speaker 1: rockers because like Frank Zappa told them to put monster
Speaker 1: a blood on stage. Damn h. But I thought it
Speaker 1: was funny that it was from Arizona, you know, everything
Speaker 1: about that and the whole like him doing a Sam
Speaker 1: Elliott voice the whole time and then being like you
Speaker 1: took him a voice that was so strange that he
Speaker 1: specifically said you stole my voice when it was the
Speaker 1: thought in all of ours. So I guess they were like,
Speaker 1: might as well call this out. But I thought at
Speaker 1: first and he meant like he had like punched him
Speaker 1: in the throne that is invalid alternate from Little Mermaids.
Speaker 1: I liked how just the first out. I mean, I
Speaker 1: really liked the first half of this movie. The second
Speaker 1: half I had more issues with it, a little boring. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, my issues were more kind of like that
Speaker 1: I felt like they didn't fill in that heart, the
Speaker 1: sort of like selling your selling your soul part of it.
Speaker 1: Of like I was like, the lyrics aren't really that
Speaker 1: much better or worse than the pop songs than they
Speaker 1: are in the rock songs. It's kind of all the same.
Speaker 1: It's kind of you know, like if they were trying
Speaker 1: to imply that the pop songs were bad. I felt
Speaker 1: the same way in La La Land, where they were like,
Speaker 1: here's the sellout song that like people who have sold
Speaker 1: out do. But then it was John Legend and you
Speaker 1: were like John Legend like can't make a song seem bad?
Speaker 1: You know that that's that's a total failure. That part
Speaker 1: in that movie, and that part in that movie you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish John Legend were playing the Ryan Gosli maybe
Speaker 1: this movie would make sense. Um. But I I do
Speaker 1: think that musically the pop songs are not is good
Speaker 1: like lyrically whatever, it's all like inspirational pop music lyrics.
Speaker 1: I think I think that you cannot deny that musically
Speaker 1: is something like shallow is better than why did you
Speaker 1: do that to me? What what you walk around walking? Boy? Boy?
Speaker 1: What you do with an ask like that? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: what I loved about the first hour THO was like
Speaker 1: it was all just like close ups of people's faces.
Speaker 1: It was like you like a good face, like a
Speaker 1: good face for me. That's what actors bring when they direct,
Speaker 1: is all they care about, is like actors faces really
Speaker 1: close up very tan face on very tan face, Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga's face, which Test has some issues with. I also
Speaker 1: did there. I didn't notice the fillers, and you guys
Speaker 1: pointed out and I saw you once you notice the
Speaker 1: bunny lines. Bunny lines is when you get botox in
Speaker 1: your forehead and you can't move your forehead, so when
Speaker 1: you try to move your forehead there are like these
Speaker 1: little squinchy lines on your nose instead. And for the
Speaker 1: first time through like Nicole Kidman because she had a
Speaker 1: really bad but it's like a thing you notice where
Speaker 1: it's like somebody tries to move their face and it
Speaker 1: can't move where it's supposed to move, so it goes
Speaker 1: somewhere else. In one of the reviews of A Star
Speaker 1: is Born, that all of the reviews I read were positive,
Speaker 1: I could not find a good, like a solid negative
Speaker 1: review to cling to, and I had to admit that
Speaker 1: I liked this movie a lot more than I thought
Speaker 1: I would going into it. But um, in one of
Speaker 1: the movie reviews that was slightly critical, they were like,
Speaker 1: she can't move her eyebrows, so she does all of
Speaker 1: this acting with her eyelids, and it's like you have
Speaker 1: to acknowledge she does a great job, Like she's doing
Speaker 1: some eyelid acting that's kind of next level but I
Speaker 1: do I wish like I I like, I mean, part
Speaker 1: of what's appealing about this character is that it's a
Speaker 1: character who refuses to change her face, and so it's
Speaker 1: a little hypocritical when and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm
Speaker 1: pretty good at spotting these things. So I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just wish she hadn't done anything to her face. Well,
Speaker 1: we were saying this too, and I was like, but real,
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga like didn't change her nose but put other
Speaker 1: stuff in her face. So debate up for debate, And
Speaker 1: in my mind, because I was justifying all of this,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, because she is a waitress in Queens,
Speaker 1: where this movie takes place, I was like, she's you know,
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe she like sprang for the botox with
Speaker 1: her bonus or something. Well that's another reason why it
Speaker 1: was like hard to believe it was l a is
Speaker 1: because a lot of people do wait tables downtown, for sure,
Speaker 1: but it's way more likely that she would have been
Speaker 1: waiting tables and living in the valley, You're not going
Speaker 1: to commute from Burbank or to Luca Lake, er Arcadia
Speaker 1: or Altadina, as Emily thinks to downtown when you could
Speaker 1: just as easily get a job at a local room.
Speaker 1: I think he was supposed to be any town, USA.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was supposed to be Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I think we all just knew it was Los Angeles
Speaker 1: because there were context only Los Angeles. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what like Queensbridgeaby he lives, Like, no, why would how
Speaker 1: would her dad get to to you know, to the
Speaker 1: house and everything. They just live on the opposite sides
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles. I can't picture, even though I know
Speaker 1: Andrew dice Clay lives in the valley, It's hard for
Speaker 1: me to picture. Know, this is what I was saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not unrealistic that a bunch of like,
Speaker 1: like a bunch of like guys from Queens would like
Speaker 1: come out to Los Angeles to fulfill one guy's Sinatra dreams.
Speaker 1: Like it's like Entourage and then they all ended up
Speaker 1: being drivers that they're old Entourage. It's like down her
Speaker 1: seventies ending Entourage where they all just became drivers and
Speaker 1: like and like bragged about the famous people that they
Speaker 1: got to drive. Please give us more thoughts on where
Speaker 1: exactly Andrew dice Clay and his friends are living in
Speaker 1: a star is born. Give us a call at to
Speaker 1: four oh four six night or you can email us
Speaker 1: at Nightcall podcast at gmail dot com. Should we take
Speaker 1: another night call? Let's take a nightcall night email. Uh,
Speaker 1: here's a nightcall that comes from Casey. I was catching
Speaker 1: up on an episode from last month and Emily was
Speaker 1: talking about the injustice of animal lifespans and how there
Speaker 1: was no rhyme or reason to them. I remembered reading
Speaker 1: an article once that said mammals all get about the
Speaker 1: same number of heartbeats before they die, around a billion. Once.
Speaker 1: With slower heartbeats just live longer because it takes longer
Speaker 1: to hit their heartbeat limit. Somewhere else, I saw that
Speaker 1: chickens get about two billion beats on average, though, so
Speaker 1: they definitely get a better deal than most animals. Happy
Speaker 1: night call. It's very sad night call. In fact, I
Speaker 1: think it's an uplifting night call. It depends on how
Speaker 1: you think beautiful. If we can all just can't believe,
Speaker 1: if we can slow our heartbeats now, we could live forever.
Speaker 1: I think that's why meditation might be the trio, because
Speaker 1: meditation slows your heart rate. If we agree that chickens
Speaker 1: deserve to live longer than our loved ones. That was
Speaker 1: we were talking recently about how chickens have do have
Speaker 1: a strangely long lifespan, like they stopped laying eggs and
Speaker 1: then just kind of go on longer than you would expect.
Speaker 1: I've been eating a lot of chicken recently thinking about
Speaker 1: this because I'm like, they just they would be a
Speaker 1: horrible overpopulation problem. They're they're temperamental. You're Molly's looking at me, like, no,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about keeping like a yard of hippo's,
Speaker 1: like a hippo coop. How many beats per second? Do
Speaker 1: it does like a like a bugs of heartbeats? That's
Speaker 1: a good question. How about lizards, Well, I just I
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody saw that. There was a viral
Speaker 1: video about a teg you, a lizard name named Winston
Speaker 1: who was a tag you Maybe not nobody, nobody, this
Speaker 1: tag you. Tag you's are very intelligent lizards that can
Speaker 1: be trained to use litter box or respond to a
Speaker 1: clicker and do commands. And there was a video about
Speaker 1: a woman who had a tag you named Winston and
Speaker 1: he like sought human contact and she was like, like
Speaker 1: I thought he was just seeking heat because I'm a
Speaker 1: heat source. But then it would be like warm enough
Speaker 1: in the house where he would leave a heat source
Speaker 1: to come visit her and he would like climb up
Speaker 1: on her shoulder and nozzle her. So I was at
Speaker 1: a birthday party over the weekend and there was a
Speaker 1: tag you and the guy was like, this is the
Speaker 1: best lizard you can get. And I think that they
Speaker 1: live like fifteen to twenty years, and then chameleons there's
Speaker 1: a huge range. Some species of chameleon live like two
Speaker 1: to three years and others can live up to ten.
Speaker 1: I had a chameleon who lived to be nine. Does
Speaker 1: that mean a tortoise has the slowest heart beat? It's
Speaker 1: a good well, that's a good question because they are
Speaker 1: one of the longest lived creatures and they do. I
Speaker 1: think the Salcata tortoise lives between like seventy and a
Speaker 1: hundred years, maybe even older. I think it's hard to tell.
Speaker 1: Like a fly, yeah, may flies have like twenty four
Speaker 1: hour lifespans. I've wondered if they like subjectively from their perspective,
Speaker 1: where you're like as slow moving as trees are to
Speaker 1: us because there because our lifespans are so much longer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I've decided we aren't. What about hunting birds? Don't
Speaker 1: honey birds have to? Like? They have a really very
Speaker 1: it's hard bets and bats. We'll get into the whole
Speaker 1: thing with bats at some point. Bats almost all bats
Speaker 1: have brabies. I read, really, Yeah, gotta be careful to bats.
Speaker 1: There's a bat in your house. You might even need
Speaker 1: I thought a reason to be afraid of bats. I
Speaker 1: thought that that was all like just superstition or something. No, man,
Speaker 1: this comes from the legal advice Reddit, and they say
Speaker 1: that if you like, bats can bite you when you're sleeping,
Speaker 1: you might not even know, and like, such a huge
Speaker 1: percentage of bats have rabies, and I love bats, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to hear. Yeah, you become batman, right, that is, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you either get rabies or turned into Batman but all
Speaker 1: the dice, or like a vampire. And worse than that
Speaker 1: is that bat guano. If there's a lot of batguana
Speaker 1: in your house, for instance, then the particles you can
Speaker 1: get respiratory infections that can kill you. It's all on
Speaker 1: legal advice Reddit. I'm just saying, why is it on
Speaker 1: legal advice the best reddit ever? Because this is about
Speaker 1: whether it's a it was a condemned house question to
Speaker 1: be condemned and does the does the family whatever? It
Speaker 1: was a long long post is of late thinking like
Speaker 1: there must have been a house episode about getting respiratory
Speaker 1: illness from back wan Yeah, I um, Jack, are you
Speaker 1: familiar with the murder board? I am Yeah. He's a
Speaker 1: devout Okay, Jack is a night bat, which is what
Speaker 1: we call our fans as of right now. That night
Speaker 1: we had um, we had a call from a listener
Speaker 1: who is a woodworker who was being asked to make
Speaker 1: a Norwegia board from wood that had been sourced from
Speaker 1: a house in which there was a grizzly murder. Um.
Speaker 1: I guess within the last couple of years or something. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it was a big moral qual dream that we
Speaker 1: were sorting through and uh he I guess eventually decided
Speaker 1: to make it, to take the money, which apparently was
Speaker 1: not its substantial, and to make the murder board. So
Speaker 1: we have an update from him about the murder board.
Speaker 1: He sent a photo to photos to photos. He had
Speaker 1: said there was some discoloration in the wood, a dark
Speaker 1: spot that he wasn't sure if it was blood or not.
Speaker 1: It's it's blood. It very much appears to be blood.
Speaker 1: We looked at it and we were like, nuts, blood
Speaker 1: or catch up, those are the only things that could
Speaker 1: be blood. And he was like, nothing bad has happened yet,
Speaker 1: but I've been having really dark dreams all the time.
Speaker 1: I told you not to do it. He did also
Speaker 1: promise to keep us posted and let us know when
Speaker 1: he's finished and send us pictures. Seems a little bit
Speaker 1: like he was having second thoughts though, Oh you think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. You guys are the ones
Speaker 1: who were like, do it, do it. I'm happy, just
Speaker 1: see what happens. Just left up, Just left that little
Speaker 1: cutie bat bite. You got to be brave, as I
Speaker 1: can't tell what's like. It looks like catchup. It's so
Speaker 1: drizzly and weird, like it looks like steak sauce. I mean,
Speaker 1: it does look comically like blood. That's the thing, Like
Speaker 1: like there's it looks like like something from the set
Speaker 1: of Dexter, like like splatters that you could try to
Speaker 1: use real blood on that show. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you knew that, Emily. I believe it is this pre
Speaker 1: He hasn't started carving it yet. He's in the process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like a work in progress shot. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I'm really excited to see what it looks
Speaker 1: like when it's done. Yeah. I mean he's already been
Speaker 1: damned by starting the project, so there's no point right now.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know about his dreams. Oh yeah, please
Speaker 1: tell us more about your dream We need more detail.
Speaker 1: We should have more episodes about dreams in general, like
Speaker 1: tell us your dream questions, because I've been having some
Speaker 1: freaky dreams lately. But I feel like we're getting today
Speaker 1: and that a lot of people have been having really
Speaker 1: scary dystopian dreams because we live in a hell world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah, it seems like blood. It
Speaker 1: seems like an actual murder took place on top of
Speaker 1: that board, because there is like some drizzle that looks
Speaker 1: like it could be you just Google Google image search
Speaker 1: blood splatter. But then there's also this, but then there's
Speaker 1: like a big splotch that is like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it looks like there was pulling there and I don't
Speaker 1: know that that convinced me and I am an ex Yeah,
Speaker 1: not at all. Would you tell the guy to make
Speaker 1: the murder boarder? Now? No. I think it's a very
Speaker 1: bad decision. Is it is like, well, coming a bet,
Speaker 1: but onto your soul one vote for I mean, but
Speaker 1: I would tell him to do it because I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see what happens to him. I would not do it,
Speaker 1: I guess. I like how all of our questions are,
Speaker 1: like should I give up my livelihood because I'm going
Speaker 1: to do if? I might be cursed. We're cursed already,
Speaker 1: news flash. We are all curry converse by proxy by urging. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the gig economy is a curse. That's true. Can I
Speaker 1: ask one question of everybody, what's your favorite romantic movie?
Speaker 1: Was anybody a Titanic person? Because I was definitely not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not into the romance and Titanic. I'm
Speaker 1: into everything else without into the infrastructure failing. Yes, I am. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm the romances between the ship and the glaciers. They're
Speaker 1: drawn together. Touch Um. You love Mulan Rouge though, I will.
Speaker 1: I like. I like Millan Region, I like I like
Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet, I like those Boss Lerman's I'm a
Speaker 1: big one. Car Wi Sucker's probably my most romantic filmmaker
Speaker 1: and probably like um, I mean like fallen Angels is
Speaker 1: not like a happy like nobody ends up together and
Speaker 1: following Angels, but that one definitely is like a mood
Speaker 1: that I appreciate. How about you, Jack, m I really
Speaker 1: liked notting Hill when I saw it. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a long time ago, but I liked that a lot.
Speaker 1: It's just a girl standing in front of a hill.
Speaker 1: What about you, Molly? I love that Boss Lerman, Romeo
Speaker 1: and Juliet so much. Um. I love Doctor Javago. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and I also love Reds. Reds is my favorite is
Speaker 1: great tragic long romance. Um, very good. Check it out.
Speaker 1: It's very time. Yeah. How about you? I like punch
Speaker 1: drunk Love. Oh, great answer, that's totally mine's punch trunk
Speaker 1: love actually actually punch drunk love actually love actually not actually. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I think that does it. Well. Thank you very much
Speaker 1: Jack for joining us today, and thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for having me. That does it saying? Jack? WHOA wow?
Speaker 1: Did did? Did Lady Gaga just walk into the studio?
Speaker 1: Her name is Ali Ali, and it's very gentleman's Ali.
Speaker 1: It's very confusing when she becomes a pop star and
Speaker 1: then she's not Lady Gaga and I think they should
Speaker 1: have made her blond. That's my life. The absolutely air
Speaker 1: was terrible in this film. The most romantic part of
Speaker 1: the movie. The eyebrow made me be like, I like
Speaker 1: this movie. It's a good It's just people looking at
Speaker 1: each other in the face. Do you think they came
Speaker 1: up with the eyebrow thing just because she couldn't move
Speaker 1: her eyebrows and so they were like, that's such a
Speaker 1: good point. Therefore, not draw attention to Fraley Cooper email
Speaker 1: us now that you said that. I keep thinking because
Speaker 1: that shot of when he when she lies on the
Speaker 1: stage and they like zoom in on her eyelids and
Speaker 1: she's like eyelids. Yeah. See. Well on that note, guys,
Speaker 1: goodbye brow, goodbye course. If you're enjoying the podcast, please review, rate, subscribe.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I already said that, but Bear
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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Jack O'Brien from The Daily Night. Guys.
Speaker 1: Check it out on how Stuff works on Apple Podcasts
Speaker 1: anywhere you get your podcast. It's really great and it's
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