Speaker 1: M what's bleach in my recto cabinets? I'm Robert Evans
Speaker 1: hosted Behind the Bastards, And as you can guess from
Speaker 1: that exciting type filled introduction, we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: bleach today. That was that was better than my bleach
Speaker 1: intro that I just said? That was better? Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: nobody knows what TikTok is? Do you like to talk videos?
Speaker 1: I send you so I claim to like them. Um,
Speaker 1: for politeness's sake and also for politeness's sake, let me
Speaker 1: introduce my guest for today, the only person I could
Speaker 1: have on to discuss the Bleach Church, Mr Billy White Davis.
Speaker 1: It is it is so good to be here in
Speaker 1: such terrible circumstances. Again, terrible circumstances. How are your circumstances doing, Billy,
Speaker 1: other than terrible? They're I mean, I can't complain about
Speaker 1: my lifestyle and or anything right now. It's just more
Speaker 1: like I wish I knew what was happening. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: all do, don't we? Um? The answer I think generally
Speaker 1: is not great stuff. Not great stuff is happening real
Speaker 1: mixed bags. So, speaking of mixed bags, were you did
Speaker 1: you did you get on the news at all last week.
Speaker 1: Check it out, see what was going down. Yeah, our
Speaker 1: our Twitter are our friends on Twitter really let me
Speaker 1: know what was going down to ye. Yeah, so catch
Speaker 1: everybody up. About a year or so ago, um, you,
Speaker 1: you and I sat down to talk about, uh, the
Speaker 1: Genesis to Church and its founder, a fellow named Reverend
Speaker 1: Jim Humble, and the Genesis to churchs has a sacrament
Speaker 1: that I, as far as I know, is unique in
Speaker 1: the annals of religion. Um, and also involves anal So
Speaker 1: that's kind of funny, except for it's not because the
Speaker 1: sacrament is pouring bleach up children's assholes to poison the
Speaker 1: autism out of them. Um. So I shouldn't have let
Speaker 1: in with a joke to that because it's just horrible
Speaker 1: child abuse. But that's what we talked about. It was
Speaker 1: a fun episode. Everybody really seemed to enjoy you and
Speaker 1: I talking about bleach um. And you know, Billy, I
Speaker 1: I had ever thought I'd be looking back on two
Speaker 1: nineteen as as as bright halcyon days, but here we are.
Speaker 1: That was that was a lighter time. We had a
Speaker 1: lot to laugh about back then. I mean, everyone reminding
Speaker 1: me on Twitter of what was happening made me immediately
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, this is this is not fun.
Speaker 1: This is bad, you guys, because we were really making
Speaker 1: fun of it, like this is just the most obscure
Speaker 1: bullshit you've ever heard of, exactly. So it's it reminds
Speaker 1: me a little bit of how when I was when
Speaker 1: I was young, you know, nine me one, driving all
Speaker 1: around the damn particularly driven around the Southwest, you know,
Speaker 1: the desert and stuff. I listened to a lot of
Speaker 1: Alex Jones just because he was so silly and so
Speaker 1: fun and I just he was he felt like this
Speaker 1: like fringe secret that like me and a few friends
Speaker 1: had that there was this like Looney Tunes dude on
Speaker 1: the radio and he would say all sorts of nutsos stuff,
Speaker 1: and it was it was very fun um. And then
Speaker 1: all those people got killed um by Info Wars fans,
Speaker 1: and suddenly he was a lot less funny. And the
Speaker 1: Church of Bleach has had an arc like that. We
Speaker 1: we I mean not really, actually I don't. We never
Speaker 1: should have enjoyed the Church of Bleach so much because
Speaker 1: it was always based fundamentally around horrific child abuse. But
Speaker 1: for some reason, maybe that we're bad people, it felt
Speaker 1: more lighthearted a year ago. I Yeah, I just made
Speaker 1: me feel superior for a little bit. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's probably shouldn't have. But we we aft about the
Speaker 1: Church of Bleach, as horrible as it was, and I
Speaker 1: guess it was. It was one of those things that
Speaker 1: was always bad. Like all the stuff we talked about
Speaker 1: on this show is bad. So like you could argue
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be laughing about any of it, but we
Speaker 1: do because it's a way of coping with the horror.
Speaker 1: But it felt like a like a fringe thing, like
Speaker 1: it was this, it was this, this is horrible for
Speaker 1: these few dozen families and stuff. But like, surely something
Speaker 1: this dumb, this like unabashed would never be a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Like this has to have only happened
Speaker 1: to a like like in a couple of limited cases, Right,
Speaker 1: it can't be a regular thing. Yeah, but it is
Speaker 1: where it's like they heard about it and then they
Speaker 1: kept doing it, so it's like, ah, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: if it's like someone opened a bar four crocodiles and
Speaker 1: and suddenly drunk crocodiles became like a major danger to
Speaker 1: life and limb um. Yeah, So there are a couple
Speaker 1: of stories before Trump got ahold of it, or I
Speaker 1: was like, I think I brushed it off because my
Speaker 1: brain couldn't comprehend that it was getting some mainstream stuff.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is just in mysei, guys,
Speaker 1: because Robert and I talked about it. Yeah, because we
Speaker 1: talked about the bleach guy that. But it's it's spreading, Billy.
Speaker 1: Much like if you if you drop bleach on your
Speaker 1: favorite pair of bright red trousers, UH, a white decolored
Speaker 1: spot will spread upon the pants. The cult of bleach
Speaker 1: is spreading throughout the United States. UM and it it
Speaker 1: It does not appear to be abating anytime soon. And
Speaker 1: it received a major shot in the arm last week
Speaker 1: when the President of the United States, one Donald Jonathan
Speaker 1: Aims Trump UH said, and I quote, I see the
Speaker 1: disinfectant where it knocks it out in one minute, and
Speaker 1: is there a way we can do something like that
Speaker 1: by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see
Speaker 1: it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous
Speaker 1: number on the lungs. Now. He said this during one
Speaker 1: of his one of his UH big addresses to the
Speaker 1: media that he was doing every single day. UH and
Speaker 1: because he said this, he is no longer doing those
Speaker 1: every single day. Um, because there was there was a
Speaker 1: bit of an outcry to this one. Now the president,
Speaker 1: he is the answer to the eternal question, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the worst that can happen? Put him out there,
Speaker 1: and then then they're like, shit, he did it again.
Speaker 1: It was the worst. Yeah. So, Um, the President got
Speaker 1: up in front of America and he he made that statement.
Speaker 1: He did not suggest that people drink or otherwise and
Speaker 1: just bleach. He didn't mention bleach at all. He just
Speaker 1: said disinfectant. Um, and people kind of filled in disinfectant
Speaker 1: with bleach. Uh. Yeah. And it's one of those things
Speaker 1: where like it's very frustrating on both sides because on
Speaker 1: one hand, you had a bunch of people saying Trump
Speaker 1: told everyone to drink bleach, and he he didn't tell
Speaker 1: everyone to drink bleach. He talked about injecting disinfectant, which
Speaker 1: is equally dumb but different. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: all of the people who do drink bleach, namely our
Speaker 1: friends at the Genesis To Church, saw his words as
Speaker 1: an endorsement of their sacrament. Hours after the president's statement,
Speaker 1: Genesis To Archbishop Mark Grennan posted this to his Facebook wall.
Speaker 1: Trump has got the MMS and all the info. Three
Speaker 1: exclamation points. Things are happening, folks. One exclamation point. Lord
Speaker 1: helps others to see laught again. I'm sorry. It's when
Speaker 1: he said things are happening. It's like every type I
Speaker 1: can't you guys, I can't. I want to help you,
Speaker 1: but I can't. Yeah. Uh, Lord help others to see
Speaker 1: the truth. Uh. And truth is capitalized with one exclamation point. Now,
Speaker 1: so that that's Mark Grennan. Who's Who's the archbishop of
Speaker 1: the Bleach Church. Another Trump fan who saw his words
Speaker 1: as an endorsement of drinking bleach was Jordan's Safer, A
Speaker 1: prominent voice in the q and on community, Jordan has
Speaker 1: more than a hundred and fifty one thousand followers on Twitter.
Speaker 1: He has two hundred and twenty two thousand subscribers on
Speaker 1: the YouTube. He is a vocal advocate of dream can Bleach.
Speaker 1: He responded to the President's statement with a tweet quoting
Speaker 1: his words and then saying this, do you realize how
Speaker 1: freaking cheap and easy it would be to mass produce
Speaker 1: chlorine dioxide for hundreds of thousands of people? We could
Speaker 1: wipe out COVID quick. The biggest turtle is education, which
Speaker 1: is difficult with how shit our media is. Doctor should
Speaker 1: be learning about this stuff. He's got some colonels of
Speaker 1: truth in there, he has some kernels of truth where
Speaker 1: he's like, the problem is education that is accurate, and
Speaker 1: we could it is accurate that with enough bleach, we
Speaker 1: could wipe out COVID nineteen. Like if you drowned the
Speaker 1: whole cities in a wave of bleach, that COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: would no longer be a problem. That would be just focus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we're not. We're a singular focus here. That's all
Speaker 1: we're doing. You said to get rid of it. I
Speaker 1: you didn't say not kill everyone. You didn't say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah you could. You could wipe out COVID nineteen with
Speaker 1: bleach in a similar manner to how you could wipe
Speaker 1: out COVID nineteen. The hydrogen bomb, um, now we're talking now, yes.
Speaker 1: In this episode of Behind the Bastards is supported by
Speaker 1: the hydrogen bomb, which is of course a product of
Speaker 1: our main sponsor, Raytheon Industries, Ray Theon. Why not kill everybody?
Speaker 1: Let's do it, let us do it. Come on, that's
Speaker 1: Jordan's say now Twitter removed that message that Jordan's Savior
Speaker 1: uh put up. In Business Insider went to Twitter for
Speaker 1: a statement on exactly where the line was for people
Speaker 1: like Savior, and I think they were basically like a
Speaker 1: lot of other people are still talking about drinking bleach
Speaker 1: and they haven't been banned, Like, where is your line?
Speaker 1: And I want to read you the response that Twitter
Speaker 1: spokesperson gave because it is a masterclass in weasel words. Quote.
Speaker 1: We're prioritizing the removal of COVID nineteen content when it
Speaker 1: has a call to action that could potentially cause harm.
Speaker 1: As we've said previously, we will not take enforcement action
Speaker 1: on every tweet that contains incomplete or disputed information about
Speaker 1: COVID night sen So telling people that bleach might help
Speaker 1: with COVID nineteen doesn't cross the line. Telling them to
Speaker 1: drink it crosses the line because if you're just saying
Speaker 1: COVID bleach, bleach seems like it helps with COVID nineteen,
Speaker 1: that's disputed. But if you're telling people to drink bleach,
Speaker 1: that's Twitter's line. So that's an interesting line for Twitter
Speaker 1: to have taken. That is a line that a room
Speaker 1: full of Twitter's lawyers spent. I don't know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say an extra two days just to check up
Speaker 1: the price and then be like, here's the line we
Speaker 1: came up with. Isn't that funny? Yeah, it is very funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a movie. I think it's a pretty
Speaker 1: good movie. Some people have their critiques of it called Conspiracy.
Speaker 1: That's like a made for TV movie about the Von
Speaker 1: s Conference, which is where um Reinhard Hydrick and uh
Speaker 1: Adolf Eichman and a bunch of other Nazis planned the Holocaust,
Speaker 1: And there's a scene in it where they're kind of
Speaker 1: discussing the the mechanics of genocide and like how to
Speaker 1: get you know X number of people into you know
Speaker 1: why number of trains and move them to these camps
Speaker 1: and that camps. They're like working through the logistics of
Speaker 1: genocide and they have like an argument about German law
Speaker 1: and about whether or not what they're doing is abiding
Speaker 1: by like the laws that the Nazis have passed. And
Speaker 1: one of the characters says, uh, raise your hand if
Speaker 1: you're a lawyer, and everybody in the room raises their
Speaker 1: hand because it was true, like almost everyone who was
Speaker 1: in the room that Day was a lawyer, and I
Speaker 1: feel like you would have the same You would have
Speaker 1: the same reaction from the people whose job it is
Speaker 1: to make Twitter's uh content lines for things like bleach drinking.
Speaker 1: Not that it's the same thing, but that scene was
Speaker 1: brought to mind, because yeah, you're right. It's definitely just
Speaker 1: a room full of lawyers who have no concern as
Speaker 1: to whether or not they're actually spreading disinformation, but are
Speaker 1: concerned about whether or not Twitter is legally liable for
Speaker 1: the spreading of disinformation, which is a good and fine
Speaker 1: thing about our system. It's the same one one track
Speaker 1: mind as the dude that's going to kill COVID with
Speaker 1: the bleach yeah, where it's like, as long is this
Speaker 1: is this, then I'm safe. Yeah, you see, I thinking, motherfucker. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where at some point
Speaker 1: the things that they spawned by thinking that way will
Speaker 1: endanger them, and in fact already has endangered them even
Speaker 1: if they don't see it. But they're still making money
Speaker 1: so they're fine with it, which is again a cool
Speaker 1: and good aspect of our system. So UH, As a
Speaker 1: fun aside, so we're talking about Jordan's safer and Twitter's
Speaker 1: decision to delete some of his tweets, they didn't ban
Speaker 1: him from Twitter, um, And it's interesting to me that,
Speaker 1: like they they're not okay with his call to action
Speaker 1: to drink bleach, but they are fine about the fact
Speaker 1: that Jordan's say there has recently gone mask off with
Speaker 1: some very Nazi adjacent beliefs. On March eleventh, he tweeted
Speaker 1: what is the real virus plaguing our world? And then
Speaker 1: followed this word with them inside three sets of parentheses,
Speaker 1: which is a very common way online to signal that
Speaker 1: someone is Jewish. Uh. This tweet is still up today.
Speaker 1: It had more than two thousand likes the last time
Speaker 1: I saw it. But oddly enough, Twitter removed a tweet
Speaker 1: he made on Holocaust, remembering stay theorizing that the victims
Speaker 1: of the Holocaust hadn't been killed, but had instead been
Speaker 1: taken to work as slaves on an alien base in Antarctica.
Speaker 1: So I am not sure again where the line is there,
Speaker 1: but it's pretty cool, Billy. I yeah, I got nothing
Speaker 1: on that one. That last one came out. If you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah, Twitter is like, you can insinuate
Speaker 1: that Jewish people are the real virus, but you can't
Speaker 1: say that Holocaust victims were taken to Antarctica to serve
Speaker 1: on an alien base. That's our okay, Twitter, it's awesome
Speaker 1: that it is awesome. That's the it's all inspiring. That
Speaker 1: is the definition of all You're just like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: awesome in the same way that like seeing a whale
Speaker 1: with your own eyes is awesome, where it just inspires
Speaker 1: this powerful sense of emotion. So back to Mark Grennan
Speaker 1: and our beloved bleached Church. Mark seems to have basically
Speaker 1: gotten started as the assistant to Jim Humble and his
Speaker 1: Humble has aged. Mark appears to have taken the reins
Speaker 1: of the church and turned his billion year old Space
Speaker 1: Navy veteran boss into a figurehead. Grinned is not nearly
Speaker 1: as colorful a figure as Humble, uh, and he's mostly
Speaker 1: been a secondary figure even within the realm of weird
Speaker 1: bleach cult people. But after the President's tweet, Mark Grennan
Speaker 1: leaped into our shared national zeitgeist. Thanks to reporting from
Speaker 1: The Guardian, they wrote, the leader of the most prominent
Speaker 1: group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach is
Speaker 1: a miracle cure for coronavirus, wrote to Donald Trump, at
Speaker 1: the White House this week. In his letter, Mark Grennan
Speaker 1: told Trump that chlorine dioxide, a powerful bleached used in
Speaker 1: industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal
Speaker 1: side effects when drunk, is a wonderful detox that can
Speaker 1: kill the pathogens in the body. He added that it
Speaker 1: can rid the body of COVID nineteen. So this would
Speaker 1: be why everyone was tagging us last week. Billy, they
Speaker 1: were they were sharing this with us. Um So yeah, Billy,
Speaker 1: that was why everybody was tagging us last week. And
Speaker 1: one of the major sources for that Guardian article was
Speaker 1: an episode of the Genesis to Churches Own podcast in
Speaker 1: which Archbishop Grinnin and his son celebrate Trump's seeming endorsement
Speaker 1: of their sacrament. And before we move on and talk
Speaker 1: about whether or not Mark Grennan actually had an impact
Speaker 1: on what Trump said, I want to play you the
Speaker 1: first minute or so of the Genesis to Churches Own podcast,
Speaker 1: mainly so you can hear the reggae musical number that
Speaker 1: they used to open every single episode. Because it is Billy.
Speaker 1: This is stone cold perfection. It's a darn and decide
Speaker 1: of grew up the institution. Boeen dioxide starts a hare revelation,
Speaker 1: how they ducking they died lies and country. He got
Speaker 1: this solution. It'slcome, Welcome, Welcome to the G two Voice broadcast.
Speaker 1: It is Sunday, April nineteen, in the year of the
Speaker 1: Lord Jesus Christ, two thousand twenty. That's what the date
Speaker 1: is based on. My name is Mark Grennan and I'm
Speaker 1: here with my co host, Joseph Grennan. Isn't that amazing
Speaker 1: that I can't I can't even talk about it, you guys.
Speaker 1: I mean now, I'm glad I have to. I want
Speaker 1: to send it to people. Yeah, you should. You should
Speaker 1: spread this far and wide it is. I know I shouldn't,
Speaker 1: but I'm going out. Book is it's the reggae what
Speaker 1: decision revolution? Okay, that's where they're coming. I would just curious,
Speaker 1: like what meeting they had to be, Like what music
Speaker 1: are we gonna do for this? Because they had a meeting.
Speaker 1: They had a meeting, and Billy it makes when you
Speaker 1: really think it through, because I I have spent I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about how much time I've spent
Speaker 1: thinking about why the Bleached Colt podcast starts with a
Speaker 1: reggae song. Um, but I've come to a point where
Speaker 1: it makes total sense to me. And I'm gonna walk
Speaker 1: you through my thinking. Um So we all remember, I
Speaker 1: hope those of us who are are not eighteen or nineteen,
Speaker 1: and I'm happy for all of the zoomers listening. But
Speaker 1: but once upon a time, marijuana was actually really really illegal,
Speaker 1: as opposed to just really really illegal in like half
Speaker 1: the country and more illegal than alcohol in the other
Speaker 1: half of the country. Um. And in those days, we
Speaker 1: all thought pot was more of a medicine than it is.
Speaker 1: Which isn't to say that pot doesn't have some can't marijuana,
Speaker 1: the plant can't be turned into a couple of different
Speaker 1: a number of different medications. But like, we really got
Speaker 1: into the whole weed as medicine thing, and a whole
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of reggae was focused on like
Speaker 1: the medical implications of marijuana, um, and like how how
Speaker 1: what a powerful treatment it was. And when you it
Speaker 1: turns out that when you get a group of people
Speaker 1: together who all believe that mains the mainstream medical establishment
Speaker 1: is like hiding the truth about a powerful medication, and
Speaker 1: the government is conspiring with them to hide the truth
Speaker 1: about a powerful medication for the purposes of of profiting.
Speaker 1: And also those people are all high all the time.
Speaker 1: It's not super hard to get them to believe that
Speaker 1: other hidden medications might be unjustly cracked down on by
Speaker 1: the medical establishment. And that is why reggae makes sense
Speaker 1: as a music for the bleached church that unfortunately that
Speaker 1: all tracks. Yeah, everyone I know and wanna support sometimes,
Speaker 1: but they make it hard. Yes, I agree. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: are salesmen. They're very smart, that's what they're doing. And
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you know what'll work this? I think
Speaker 1: you're right, Yeah, you're right. Yeah, let's take advantage of
Speaker 1: the fact that, for justified reasons, nobody trusts the government
Speaker 1: and nobody really trusts the pharmaceutical industry. Um. And we
Speaker 1: actually do know that there are a number of of
Speaker 1: of substances with medical properties that were hard that we're
Speaker 1: in our harshly banned for no good reason. Um. So
Speaker 1: maybe this is another case like that, right, And it's
Speaker 1: like I used to love that uh kind of natural medicine.
Speaker 1: Let's all get high and listen to reggae and take
Speaker 1: mushrooms subculture, and you know, the the overall theme of
Speaker 1: has been let's just let's just take everything you used
Speaker 1: to love and twist it so that it's horrible and
Speaker 1: unrecognizable and it's great, Billy, it's awesome. Well it's and
Speaker 1: that's where they can call it a gateway drug. I
Speaker 1: guess now for everything. I didn't think they would could
Speaker 1: call it a gateway drug for bleach, but they're going
Speaker 1: to because they're gonna say it's because they lied about
Speaker 1: what canvass really is, so now they And it's why
Speaker 1: I tried cocaine for the first time after I got
Speaker 1: stoned a week after and I was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: this one's by it, this one is yeah. And it's
Speaker 1: not that marijuana is a gateway drug. It's that the
Speaker 1: entire way that our society deals with narcotics um and
Speaker 1: also deals with medicine and deals with attempting to inform
Speaker 1: people about both, has led to a situation where it
Speaker 1: is incredibly easy for nonsense like this to to get
Speaker 1: perpetrated like it. It's it's not not blaming pot or
Speaker 1: reggae for this, it's all It all traces back to
Speaker 1: the government um, as most problems do. But in this
Speaker 1: particular case, the villains that we're speaking about specifically are
Speaker 1: not well mostly are not members of the government. One
Speaker 1: of them is that's coming up. So now, obviously, again
Speaker 1: the Guardian was right to publish this article talking about
Speaker 1: the fact that Grinnin and his followers had been mass
Speaker 1: mailing Trump um prior to his disinfectant comments. Grinnan states
Speaker 1: on this podcast that he sent Trump a letter um
Speaker 1: heralding the power of drinking bleach, and that like at
Speaker 1: least thirty of his followers had also sent letters to
Speaker 1: the president. Uh. And a lot of people online, particularly
Speaker 1: the folks tagging us, kind of translated this to mean that, oh,
Speaker 1: Trump was influenced to suggest people drink bleach because members
Speaker 1: of the bleach Church got to him. And as far
Speaker 1: as I can tell, there's no evidence of this, and
Speaker 1: it all I think it's also incredibly unlikely that this
Speaker 1: is the case. Um. There's actually a picture of Trump
Speaker 1: staring at like an infographic that talks about the benefits
Speaker 1: of disinfectant and how quickly disinfectant can kill COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: when it's out of the body that was taken right
Speaker 1: before he went and gave his speech, and its seams.
Speaker 1: It was probably just like a fucking stream of conscience,
Speaker 1: this thing for him. It is incredibly implausible that Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump has ever heard of Mark Grinnin or the Genesis
Speaker 1: to Church. And I think it's equally unlikely that he
Speaker 1: was talking about Bleach when he thought about injecting disinfectants. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons for this. One of them
Speaker 1: is that presidents receive a lot of letters. Like thirty
Speaker 1: some odd letters from the Bleach Church doesn't really make
Speaker 1: a dent in the actual total number of letters he receives.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many letters Trump gets, but I
Speaker 1: found in Atlanta News Now article from back in two
Speaker 1: thousand nine about President Obama that stated that his administration
Speaker 1: received something like sixty five thousand paper letters every single week. Now,
Speaker 1: Obama had a standing policy of being sent ten of
Speaker 1: those letters at random every day. It was kind of
Speaker 1: like one of the things he did at the start
Speaker 1: of his day. Um. I don't know if Trump continued
Speaker 1: this policy, but I doubt it. I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of unlikely. You don't think you got up and read
Speaker 1: what the people thought, or entirely certain he can read. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I highly doubt Trump reade any of these letters.
Speaker 1: And it's very unlikely that, like the fact that the
Speaker 1: letters were sent to him as no smoking gun just
Speaker 1: because like he gets tens of thousands of letters every day, like, um,
Speaker 1: but it's still it's playing to that same audience, Yes,
Speaker 1: and his his comments. What's really important is not whether
Speaker 1: or not Trump was thinking of the bleached Church. I
Speaker 1: honestly don't think he was thinking of much at all.
Speaker 1: I totally buy what some people have said that he
Speaker 1: was just bullshitting up on that, Like he was just
Speaker 1: talking like he normally talks in meetings, and he just
Speaker 1: doesn't ever think about what he's doing. And so it
Speaker 1: happened that he was randomly theorizing about nonsense while he
Speaker 1: was talking to the entire country. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: what went down. But regardless of whether or not there
Speaker 1: was any intent behind Trump's comments, uh yeah, there, this
Speaker 1: was taken as like a signal by a number of
Speaker 1: members of the bleached Church. Uh, and I think, um,
Speaker 1: you know, one of them is someone we talked about
Speaker 1: on our last two parter. You remember Carrie Rivera. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's the woman who made a career out of urging
Speaker 1: parents to shoot bleach up their children's assholes in order
Speaker 1: to cure their autism. Um. She believes that autism uh
Speaker 1: doesn't need to happen, and has a quote unquote cure,
Speaker 1: and that cure is rectal bleach um. Now, on February,
Speaker 1: as it started to become clear that COVID night, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of proof that it works. No,
Speaker 1: her proof that it works is that shooting bleach into
Speaker 1: kids and making them drink bleach destroys their intestinal lining
Speaker 1: and makes them ship out bits of their intestines that
Speaker 1: kind of look like little bitty worms, which she claims
Speaker 1: are parasites being cleared from the body. So she's not
Speaker 1: great billy, No, nope, nope, And like any good grifter,
Speaker 1: as soon as this pandemic hit, she realized that it
Speaker 1: was going to be like a big money maker for her.
Speaker 1: On February five, yeah, of course she did. She is
Speaker 1: a good Yeah. On February five, she published a blog
Speaker 1: post titled good news coronavirus destroyed by chlorine dioxide um
Speaker 1: and her source for this was a study published by
Speaker 1: the National Institutes of Health. Now, all the study states
Speaker 1: is that coronavirus in wastewater can be inactivated by high
Speaker 1: enough doses of bleach. So basically, studies like yeah, if
Speaker 1: there's coronavirus in like a bunch of dirty water, and
Speaker 1: you pour bleach in it, the coronavirus will die. So
Speaker 1: that's what the studies said. Yeah, exactly, Yes, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: I could, I could. I could make claims about the
Speaker 1: ability of my a R fifteen to cure coronavirus in
Speaker 1: much the same way, and it would be equally useless.
Speaker 1: And in terms of medical advice. Um, now here's how
Speaker 1: Carrie interpreted that quote. The article suggests chlorine dioxide is
Speaker 1: a percent effective in killing coronavirus. We already know CD
Speaker 1: Chlorine dioxide is safe for ingestion by people and has
Speaker 1: been used for helping the body heal from any number
Speaker 1: of health conditions, including autism, malaria, herpes, and aids. All
Speaker 1: similar illnesses there all have the same cause. If you
Speaker 1: can get that's a man. I know if I know
Speaker 1: some friends of mine that it would have gotten that
Speaker 1: herpes information at the right time, would have dranken bleach
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's probably true. Now, Billy, Uh,
Speaker 1: this actually happened today a as we record this episode.
Speaker 1: But Carrie very recently published a note to her telegram group,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about her telegram groups. Uh.
Speaker 1: Referencing directly President Trump's disinfectant comments, she stated, our time
Speaker 1: has come. Why has it been vilified by the media.
Speaker 1: Why is it that they don't want us to know?
Speaker 1: Would it destroy big farmer's profits since it's an abundant
Speaker 1: mineral um, And basically she claimed that like yeah, in essence, yes,
Speaker 1: yes it will. If everyone's dead, it will destroy their profits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was right about that. Yeah, yeah, um. And it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's cool. So she sees this as a major
Speaker 1: opportunity to all of the bleach people. Like, two things
Speaker 1: are true. Number one, it's very unlikely that Trump was
Speaker 1: directly reaching out to the bleach church, which is again
Speaker 1: fairly small in terms of actual numbers. It would make
Speaker 1: no sense for him to reach out to these people. Um.
Speaker 1: And there's no evidence he even those they exist. Um.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, all of his very very
Speaker 1: recklessly irresponsible comments were taken as an endorsement by everyone
Speaker 1: who drinks bleach. Um. So both of those things can
Speaker 1: be true, but it's important to be correct about like
Speaker 1: what is actually going down here now. Carrie Rivera was
Speaker 1: barred from selling drinking bleach in Illinois in two thousand fifteen.
Speaker 1: But she still absolutely makes a living selling chlorine dioxide.
Speaker 1: She's just developed a way to do that without technically
Speaker 1: selling the bleach directly. Instead, she advises people on how
Speaker 1: to drink bleach. UM. And we'll talk about her more
Speaker 1: in just a bit. Carrie is heavily affiliated with Jim
Speaker 1: Humble in the Genesis to Church and if you want
Speaker 1: to see the church is something like an MLM, like
Speaker 1: a pyramid scheme, a multiple level marketing company carry Rivera
Speaker 1: would be one of those, like rare distributors and like
Speaker 1: the top one person who actually makes money UM. And
Speaker 1: I think that is kind of a good way to
Speaker 1: view this because it does seem to be sort of
Speaker 1: like a pyramid scam. Now, Carrier he felt, yes, you
Speaker 1: know what's not like a pyramid scam is exactly like
Speaker 1: a scam. You can't guarantee you that who's advertising it
Speaker 1: is not a pyramid scheme. You can because we accidentally
Speaker 1: did advertise for a pyramid scheme once and we apologize
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah. And also the Raython, I mean, I
Speaker 1: do want to say if you want to become a
Speaker 1: Raytheon distributor, UM, there's actually, like, do you know any
Speaker 1: small sub Saharan African nations that don't currently have a
Speaker 1: way to put down uprisings by mine workers through aerial bombardment,
Speaker 1: because ray Theon can help and you can help sell
Speaker 1: those products. So my dad I told my dad. I
Speaker 1: was like, listen, these are bridges I can burn, and
Speaker 1: he was like, not always right. He turns out he
Speaker 1: was right. Yeah, don't don't burn the bridge. Blow it
Speaker 1: up with a hellfire missile from sevents up in the
Speaker 1: air on the back of a Predator drone, and you
Speaker 1: can get a fifteen percent commission on all of the
Speaker 1: predator drones that you sell to state and non state actors.
Speaker 1: You want to sell to isis you know you want
Speaker 1: to sell to uh hts, you want to sell to
Speaker 1: the I RA. It doesn't matter. Once you're a Raytheon distributor,
Speaker 1: you can sell to anyone because Raytheon's motto is we
Speaker 1: don't have lines anyway, we have boomed. So go to
Speaker 1: Raytheon distributor sales dot org backslash. I think they find
Speaker 1: if we're being honest, Yeah, yeah, yeah, just put a
Speaker 1: sign up in front of your house that says I
Speaker 1: want to sell drones and they'll they'll get here's our
Speaker 1: other products. We're back, so Billy, we're talking about bleach.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Carrie Rivera, the Bleach Church, all these
Speaker 1: sales people, um. And again they all even before President
Speaker 1: Trump made his statements, like they took that as like
Speaker 1: a major endorsement of their their worldview, which is again
Speaker 1: entirely based around the fact that bleach cures all illnesses, um,
Speaker 1: which should should be sillier. But it's not. Um, it's
Speaker 1: what's where, there's what we're living in that. Yeah, Trump
Speaker 1: gave these folks a big old shot in the arm,
Speaker 1: But they were going hard on the bleach before, like
Speaker 1: as soon as the COVID nineteen pandemic started, And in fact,
Speaker 1: they did so well at convincing people that that drinking
Speaker 1: bleach was a cure for the coronavirus that two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: the US government sued the Genesis to Church for violating
Speaker 1: the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetics Act UH. They led
Speaker 1: that the church's website quote contains claims that MMS is
Speaker 1: intended to cure, mitigate, treat, or permit coronavirus, which includes
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, and links to testimonials claiming that MMS. Here's
Speaker 1: a litany of other diseases, including, among others, Alzheimer's autism,
Speaker 1: brain cancer, HIV, AIDS, and multiple sclerosis. And part of
Speaker 1: what's going on there is really interesting. So the founder,
Speaker 1: Jim Humble, said a number of times that that that
Speaker 1: drinking bleach was a cure um, and then had to
Speaker 1: come out and backtrack some of his statements and be like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying it was a cure. It allows the
Speaker 1: body to heal itself, but it doesn't cure anything. Because
Speaker 1: he started to get a lot of regulatory attention and
Speaker 1: he has kind of faded into the background of the
Speaker 1: bleach drinking scene. He's turned into like like they they
Speaker 1: still talk about him a lot, but I don't see
Speaker 1: much from him directly. Mark Grinnan is really the main face.
Speaker 1: And Mark Grinnan has completely ignored the what I would
Speaker 1: call the wisdom of his his his his elder and
Speaker 1: is just sort of just straight up saying, yeah, this
Speaker 1: ship cures whatever you have. UM. So is Carrie Rivera.
Speaker 1: So are are all of the Grifters who are kind
Speaker 1: of most active today. Um. And this is again part
Speaker 1: of why I don't think that Trump was signaling to
Speaker 1: the bleached people, in particular because his f DA has
Speaker 1: been pretty on point about going after the bleach church
Speaker 1: since COVID nineteen hit. I'm gonna quote from coverage in
Speaker 1: The Independent now. On Friday, the government's request for a
Speaker 1: temporary injunction against Genesis was granted by Judge Kathleen Williams
Speaker 1: of the U. S. District Court for the Southern District
Speaker 1: of Florida. The injunction orders Genesis to refrain from distributing
Speaker 1: MMS or any other unapproved drug. The Food and Drug
Speaker 1: Administration said in an announcement a preliminary injunction hearing is
Speaker 1: scheduled from May first. The name defendants in the lawsuit
Speaker 1: are Mark Grinnin, Joseph Grinnin, Jordan Grinnin, and Jonathan Grinnin.
Speaker 1: Mark Grinnan is described by Genesis as its archbishop. While
Speaker 1: Genesis is currently prevented from selling MMS under a temporary
Speaker 1: restraining order, the FDA is also seeking a permanent injunction
Speaker 1: and refunds for people who bought MMS. Genesis was selling
Speaker 1: MMS online and describes it as a sacrament attimpty to
Speaker 1: purchase the product today leads to an error page. It says,
Speaker 1: we are currently in prayer exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.
Speaker 1: During these difficult, trying times, we are in prayer and
Speaker 1: seeking the all caps lords wisdom and guidance. Please pray
Speaker 1: for us. That good. I'm gonna that's when you That's
Speaker 1: gonna be my error page on like my website too.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just that's a good idea. Also, have we
Speaker 1: thought about if maybe these two quote unquote preachers are
Speaker 1: they're in a contest to see who they can get
Speaker 1: their flock to heaven first, and that's their whole game. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be what's going on here, Billy Wayne, some
Speaker 1: weird self aware cult leaders who were betting on who
Speaker 1: they can Jim Jones their ship fast enough faster. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I actually there's a lot of comparisons to
Speaker 1: Jim Jones, and I think there's a number of reasons
Speaker 1: why that that actually isn't as fitting as people think.
Speaker 1: Because the people who the the folks who can amitted
Speaker 1: suicide with Jones, who drank the kool aid, which is
Speaker 1: actually I think flavor aid. Um, they all knew they
Speaker 1: were taking poison like some of them resisted it. A
Speaker 1: lot of them took it willingly, but they knew that
Speaker 1: it was poison. Like nobody thought anything was going to happen,
Speaker 1: but that they would die. Whereas these people are taking
Speaker 1: poison and think it's going to cure them. So this
Speaker 1: is actually like the Heaven's Gate people, or not Heaven's Gate. Um,
Speaker 1: what was Jim's Jones? Uh, the Jim Jones drink the
Speaker 1: kool aid whatever people? Um, they knew what they were doing.
Speaker 1: They they wanted to commit suicide, and they took uh,
Speaker 1: functional scientific steps to kill themselves. What's actually happening here
Speaker 1: is much dumber. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's wild. It's a bummer that like we have to
Speaker 1: be that specific, but like that's where ship is in.
Speaker 1: It's good. How much of this do you think has
Speaker 1: to do with all the new technology we have just
Speaker 1: in the last thirty or forty years exploded. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of this is a reaction to the
Speaker 1: complexity of of our society and life. Like one of
Speaker 1: the things, so there's so many different like interlocking subcultures here,
Speaker 1: but one of the different like bullshit medicine, subcultures that
Speaker 1: ties into the bleached Church because they're all talking about
Speaker 1: like you know, Carry barr is saying that it hears
Speaker 1: like herpes and malaria and all these things that are
Speaker 1: like not even a little bit similar in terms of
Speaker 1: the way they work on the body, and it like
Speaker 1: how you actually treat them. Um. It ties in with
Speaker 1: like there's this guy who's on Alex Jones Show a
Speaker 1: bunch um, and who's on Carry Cassidy another like conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 1: like Luminaries Show a bunch who believes that there's no diseases,
Speaker 1: there's only like one illness and it's the result of
Speaker 1: like some spiritual problem. Um. And that's they all kind
Speaker 1: of tie into that, Like that is a general belief
Speaker 1: from all these communities that all illness is really just
Speaker 1: like a spiritual problem them. And there's a number of
Speaker 1: reasons for this. For one thing, a lot of these
Speaker 1: folks are kind of fundamentally conservative, and it allows them
Speaker 1: to blame sick and hurting people for their illnesses. Um.
Speaker 1: For another thing, it's just a um it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a reaction to complexity. Like actual health science is
Speaker 1: so fucking complicated that if you can just convince yourself, no,
Speaker 1: there's only one illness, and I only need to do
Speaker 1: then one thing to protect myself and my family from
Speaker 1: all sickness. Uh, that is comforting. Yeah, it's the same.
Speaker 1: It's why those people are also usually racist, because it
Speaker 1: is a simple form of being, like I need a color,
Speaker 1: not to like that's what I like. Yeah, you're right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm scared of crime. And it's not a multifaceted problem
Speaker 1: that has to be like attacked from a variety of
Speaker 1: different standpoints in order to actually reduce violence and make
Speaker 1: a safer world. It's the problem of this group of people. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: it's it's all kind of the same thought processes. Um,
Speaker 1: and at least, yeah, it's it's it's dumb, but all
Speaker 1: of the dumb things in almost all of them are
Speaker 1: the same dumb, right, Like you just have to trace
Speaker 1: back what they're actually thinking about. Um, which is cool
Speaker 1: and good. It's cool that the technology they've we've made
Speaker 1: technology easy enough that the dumb can just get it
Speaker 1: out there. Whoever, Yeah, yeah, there's no nothing's stopping them
Speaker 1: from just shot getting their stupid out to the world. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Mark Grinnan, who describes himself, as a co founder
Speaker 1: of the Genesis to Church, wrote a letter to the
Speaker 1: f d A in response to all this. Now, in
Speaker 1: that letter, he explained, quote, the sacraments are sacred and
Speaker 1: holy to us, and we use them to keep out
Speaker 1: to keep our temples clean. In doing so, we've helped
Speaker 1: millions around the world. We have a lot of testimonies
Speaker 1: and evidence. It seems if you mentioned anything can rid
Speaker 1: the body of COVID nineteen is not approved by the
Speaker 1: f d A, you get attacked. Well, Mr President, they
Speaker 1: attacked the wrong church, the Church of the Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Oh ship that church. Now, that last line is real
Speaker 1: interesting to me, Billy, for a couple of reasons. For one,
Speaker 1: Jim Humble claims to be a billion year old space
Speaker 1: god slash Navy man, and was Slash is a practicing scientologist.
Speaker 1: Jim Humble claims to be a billion year old space
Speaker 1: god slash navy man because he was in the Navy
Speaker 1: to the space Navy, in the scientologist the space Navy
Speaker 1: that the aliens had. Anyway, No, I think it was
Speaker 1: dumber than that. I don't think he actually did that
Speaker 1: much time in scientology, but I'm not I don't know exactly. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. Like, so, one thing, it's
Speaker 1: odd that Mark Grennan, who was the co founder of
Speaker 1: Jim Humble's Church UM, claims that his prophet or he
Speaker 1: claims that he's the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: and also seems to believe that his prophet is a
Speaker 1: billion year old space god because I think God doesn't
Speaker 1: like other gods. I don't know, I need to reread
Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments. He's he's confused. I think. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like the idea that he's a space alien he came
Speaker 1: to Earth and he was like, first of all, navy
Speaker 1: looks dope, we'll get into that. And also Jesus, this
Speaker 1: seems real. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty pretty fun to try
Speaker 1: to trace back all that thinking. Um, So, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess belief that Jim like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's whatever. Now.
Speaker 1: I feel if we go every week, he'll fill in
Speaker 1: the gaps, you know. Yeah. I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lean too much against that part. Um. But one
Speaker 1: thing I will point out that does clash directly with
Speaker 1: uh Mark Grinnin's claims that they're the true Church of
Speaker 1: the Lord Jesus Christ is. Some statements made on the
Speaker 1: Genesis to Churches website see the government's lawsuit against Genesis
Speaker 1: explicitly describes the church as a quote secular entity based
Speaker 1: in the state of Florida. And that's not the government
Speaker 1: like making a judgment and saying like, no, we've decided
Speaker 1: as the government that this is not a legitimate church.
Speaker 1: That's based on how the Genesis to Church describes itself
Speaker 1: On their own website. They call themselves a non religious
Speaker 1: church with a goal to restore health to the world
Speaker 1: and say that they were quote formed for the purpose
Speaker 1: of serving mankind and not for the purpose of worship,
Speaker 1: which again makes it seem odd that they would claim
Speaker 1: to be the true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Um,
Speaker 1: now I found all that really. I think they lack language.
Speaker 1: I think they lack language. They Mark Grinnan, who spoiler
Speaker 1: has is the one who has written everything that we're
Speaker 1: talking about today. Um, he has a real interesting relationship
Speaker 1: with language. Billy so I hopped you can tell with
Speaker 1: the three exclamation points. That's kind of one of his tells. Um.
Speaker 1: So I hopped over to the Genesis two Churches website
Speaker 1: myself to see what other interesting tidbits I could find.
Speaker 1: And I can't say for certain who wrote the copy
Speaker 1: on that website which looks like a Geo cities site
Speaker 1: from but I'm pretty sure it's Mark grennan Um. He
Speaker 1: calls himself the archbishop and co founder of the church.
Speaker 1: He's one of the only people really named repeatedly on
Speaker 1: the church. He has an extensive social media presence, and
Speaker 1: having trolled through his Facebook and some of his other posts,
Speaker 1: the style of writing on the website matches Mark's writing
Speaker 1: style on Facebook and in the letter to the FDA
Speaker 1: to a t. Now. When I visited his Facebook feed,
Speaker 1: the top post on it was a Uni lad video
Speaker 1: summarizing Trump's disinfectant comments, and the video itself was a
Speaker 1: pretty normal and uncontroversial piece of of kind of basic reportage, um,
Speaker 1: just sort of going over what Trump had said and
Speaker 1: how people had reacted to it. Mark wrote above the video,
Speaker 1: though Trump has got the MMS and all the info.
Speaker 1: Exclamation point exclamation point, exclamation from point things are happening, folks,
Speaker 1: Lord help others see the truth. Um. Now. The post,
Speaker 1: which is still up on Facebook, has more than a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty comments, and thankfully most of those comments
Speaker 1: are people they're dunking on Mark grennan. Uh. There's a
Speaker 1: mix of anti Trump memes, a lot of Jim Jones memes,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of links to actual good reporting on
Speaker 1: the dangers of MMS and his stupid church. Um. So
Speaker 1: I just kept going down his his post and for
Speaker 1: an idea of kind of like some of the other
Speaker 1: things this guy talks about. One of the links up
Speaker 1: there was that he shared a YouTube video about Microsoft
Speaker 1: pant patenting a chip for monitoring human beings that was
Speaker 1: like patent number six six six, which is nonsense, and
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, that same week, Alex Jones discussed this same fake,
Speaker 1: you know, bullshit patent story on his Info War show,
Speaker 1: which just goes to show kind of how connected all
Speaker 1: these people are. Um and yeah, it's it's it's cool
Speaker 1: and good. My favorite post was probably one that he
Speaker 1: was a picture of Dr Anthony Faucci um with a
Speaker 1: bunch of texts on the image that said hashtag planned
Speaker 1: dimmick there will be a surprise outbreak Dr Anthony Fauci
Speaker 1: stating there will be a surprise out break the coming
Speaker 1: administration will face uh. And this is a link to
Speaker 1: a video that was also on Alex Jones last week,
Speaker 1: which basically pointed out that Dr Fauci warned that the
Speaker 1: incoming Trump administration would face a surprise diss outbreak in January,
Speaker 1: and a lot of conspiracy folks are saying this is
Speaker 1: proof that Anthony Fauci is in on the coronavirus pandemic
Speaker 1: and help make it. The reality of the comments is
Speaker 1: that he was saying, every single other administration has dealt
Speaker 1: with a surprise disease outbreak in the last thirty years,
Speaker 1: so the Trump administration will too, and we're not ready
Speaker 1: for it, which is completely accurate and exactly what happened. Um.
Speaker 1: But so Mark Grinnan shared this video and he just
Speaker 1: wrote a one word post above it R V I L.
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to type evil, but he
Speaker 1: wrote he mispelled it. That's how That's how much he's
Speaker 1: expelled it from himself. He can't even spail it. How
Speaker 1: much I hate evil, That's how much he's got to
Speaker 1: call it a marvel. His body won't let him type
Speaker 1: the e's going through his social media as I have,
Speaker 1: is why I'm certain that he wrote what I'm about
Speaker 1: to read large segments from so on the Genesis to
Speaker 1: Churches website. There's a segment of the website just titled
Speaker 1: our Church, which describes the history and the purpose of
Speaker 1: the church and is one of the funniest things I've
Speaker 1: ever read, although I guess more horrifying than funny and
Speaker 1: light of its current influence. But I want to just
Speaker 1: state that, based on my reading of all of his
Speaker 1: other writing off the website, I am certain that Mark
Speaker 1: Grennan is the only person who wrote this like I
Speaker 1: will be shocked if another hand touched this prose. And
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start reading from this now. Billy, Now
Speaker 1: you stop me when you have a question. Okay, there
Speaker 1: has never been a similar church to this church. There
Speaker 1: has never been a church of Health and Healing. Insofar
Speaker 1: as our research has been able to determine, our name
Speaker 1: is Genesis to Church of Health and Healing. The word
Speaker 1: genesis means the beginning, the two in X or in
Speaker 1: a parentheses to symbolizes the second beginning, and we look
Speaker 1: to the words health and healing to indicate that we
Speaker 1: are working towards bringing health to the world. In most
Speaker 1: countries of the world, the common law says and or
Speaker 1: statues have been legislated to say it is legitimate purpose
Speaker 1: to form a church to serve God or to serve
Speaker 1: all caps mankind in some way. So far, our research shows,
Speaker 1: down through the ages, it has almost always been stated
Speaker 1: legally and lawfully that the second purpose of serving mankind
Speaker 1: is a legitimate purpose performing a church. Remember, a church
Speaker 1: is nothing more than a group of people who have
Speaker 1: joined together for some common purpose. And as stated above,
Speaker 1: we have not been able to find any evidence of
Speaker 1: any other church that has ever been formed to serve
Speaker 1: mankind all caps. So that's interesting to me for a
Speaker 1: few reasons, Billy. For one thing, that's not what a
Speaker 1: church is. A church is not any group of people
Speaker 1: who joined together for a common purpose, because you could define,
Speaker 1: for example, the Microsoft Corporation that way, yes, or any
Speaker 1: magic the gathering, or any game of spades, yeah, any
Speaker 1: game of spades, a dungeons and dragons group, um, which
Speaker 1: as far as I'm aware, is not tax deductive or
Speaker 1: is not a an untaxable entity. Uh yeah. And it's
Speaker 1: also I'm I think we're doing church right now. We're
Speaker 1: doing church. We are this is church. This is a church,
Speaker 1: which means, Sophie, can you get my accountant on the line,
Speaker 1: and tell him I'm gonna stop paying taxes, okay, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna move to a shack in the
Speaker 1: woods and start manufacturing rifles as well. And I expect
Speaker 1: this to be fine with them. Yeah, okay, they love it.
Speaker 1: They love decisions like that. Yeah, I think so. I
Speaker 1: think this is going to end well for me. Uh
Speaker 1: in the family that I bring up onto a red
Speaker 1: colored ridge line with myself. Um. So yeah, it's it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's I don't know, Billy. It's fascinating to me.
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in the degree of specificity and focus
Speaker 1: that Mark Britain has on insisting that his church is
Speaker 1: not for worship or religion. Um, even though he claims
Speaker 1: it's the only true church of Jesus Christ. That's that's
Speaker 1: really weird to me. Um. And I'm not sure why
Speaker 1: he makes such a point of making this claim, especially
Speaker 1: since he got all jesusy in his response to the
Speaker 1: f d A. Like we said before, the way he
Speaker 1: uses language, it's my favorite line. And what you just
Speaker 1: read me was when he was like, according to our research,
Speaker 1: there's never been a church like that. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've tried to use that answer in class too,
Speaker 1: where like I'm I'm correct according to all the research
Speaker 1: I did, and the teachers like what research is that,
Speaker 1: and like it's not gonna talk about that part. But
Speaker 1: he refers to his research a lot without citing it. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and it's interesting. Grinnan really finds it important on
Speaker 1: his website to stay repeatedly that his church is not
Speaker 1: formed around the worship of any specific god. He writes,
Speaker 1: we were formed to serve mankind, all caps. Directly, we
Speaker 1: want to bring health to the world. We will also
Speaker 1: serve all caps mankind in other ways. We intend to
Speaker 1: help all caps mankind extract himself from a world of
Speaker 1: death to a world of the living over the coming years.
Speaker 1: It is not a religious goal. It is a realistic
Speaker 1: goal of having us all live in a decent world,
Speaker 1: a world where the brutality has finally been overcome, where
Speaker 1: men no longer kill other men for financial game. Now
Speaker 1: drink my bleach, now, drink my bleach. Yeah, it all
Speaker 1: sounds less stirring when you realize this guy's talking about
Speaker 1: nothing but drinking bleach. I'm just trying to help people
Speaker 1: drink this thing. Drinking now Billy the desire though too
Speaker 1: for a world where brutality has been overcome, where men
Speaker 1: no longer kill them in for financial game. That sounds
Speaker 1: nice though, right, Like we're can all get on board
Speaker 1: that I don't like men killing men for financial gain.
Speaker 1: But even a casual amount of of of googling brings
Speaker 1: up numerous stories of brutality carried out by Genesis to
Speaker 1: Church adherents. And to tell that story, I know surprising.
Speaker 1: To tell that story, I want to roll back to
Speaker 1: our old friend Carrie Rivera for a second. Now. It's
Speaker 1: kind of hard for me to tell what her relationship
Speaker 1: to Genesis Too is Precisely. I've heard her refer to
Speaker 1: both as a member of the church and as a
Speaker 1: former member of the church. She was recently a guest
Speaker 1: on Mark Grennan's Genesis to podcast, where he called her
Speaker 1: a great healer. So it's fair to say that the
Speaker 1: Church approves of her work serving mankind and trying to
Speaker 1: overcome brutality and stop men from killing each other for
Speaker 1: financial gain. And that might that last one, at least
Speaker 1: might be technically true, because Carrie Rivera definitely kills people
Speaker 1: for financial gain, but most of them are children, so Jesus.
Speaker 1: That's good. There's always like, as as much as I've
Speaker 1: heard and been on this show and you think like
Speaker 1: I know where this is headed, there's always like a
Speaker 1: little like just a little curve at the end, just
Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible curveball at the end. We're like, God,
Speaker 1: damn it. Well now Carrie is our our asshole bleaching lady.
Speaker 1: That's I know, I know, I know. I mean, you know, Billy,
Speaker 1: if you if you poison them with bleach when their kids,
Speaker 1: it reduces the amount of damage they can do as adults.
Speaker 1: That's not true. That is not true. Yeah, it actually
Speaker 1: probably increases it by quite a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just statistically, probably a number of serial killers being spawned
Speaker 1: as a result of the horrible abuse they encounter in
Speaker 1: this uh cult, A lot of a lot of bleach
Speaker 1: based serial killers in about fifteen years going to be
Speaker 1: trawling the California highways. So since our last episode, sorry
Speaker 1: it's the COVID, I need my bleach, um, since our
Speaker 1: what I don't like that, Sophie Robert lad break. I
Speaker 1: don't like that line. It's time for you know, it'll
Speaker 1: cure your coronavirus. Did he go too dark? I don't
Speaker 1: think that's possible. No, no unhappiness in my heart though.
Speaker 1: Well that see, here's my thinking, Sophi, here's my thinking.
Speaker 1: If bleach, here's the coronavirus, which, as far as everything
Speaker 1: I've read, has to be true. If bleach, here's the coronavirus,
Speaker 1: and Raytheon can make a missile with help from the
Speaker 1: good folks at Lockheed Martin that just is made of knives,
Speaker 1: that whole knife missile thing. If they can make a
Speaker 1: knife missile, couldn't they make a bleach missile. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: time for Afghanistan and Syria both have bad coronavirus problems. Right,
Speaker 1: you could solve that with enough bleach missiles. It's time
Speaker 1: for our drones to get into the medical business. And
Speaker 1: the good folks at Raytheon Slash Lockheed Martin are going
Speaker 1: to help with that. So support them. People get back
Speaker 1: to work, and did people get back to work? Get
Speaker 1: America back to work and back to bleaching. Robert I
Speaker 1: would like to people sucking on this podcast. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go to break and not say things
Speaker 1: that incriminate ourselves. All right, products we're back from outer space.
Speaker 1: You just all walked in to find us here with
Speaker 1: that happy look upon your face. I'm just gonna it's
Speaker 1: taken this long for that line to happen. It's in
Speaker 1: my head every single break. Now. Since our last episode,
Speaker 1: Billy Wayne, Carrie Rivera has been heavily to platform. She's
Speaker 1: been kicked off of YouTube, her Facebook is only allowed
Speaker 1: to share non bleach related content. Um, and she doesn't
Speaker 1: really have any other kind of mainstream social media apps.
Speaker 1: Uh So Carrie had to follow in the footsteps of
Speaker 1: all of our best white nationalists and she had to
Speaker 1: take to telegram. She opened several private groups where paying
Speaker 1: customers could congregate to talk bleach and get paid advice
Speaker 1: from Carrie. When the coronavirus hit carry Rivera immediately prescribed
Speaker 1: it to absolutely everyone as a preventative measure. Now, Business
Speaker 1: Insider has really done some of the best reporting on
Speaker 1: the whole Bleach cult. Like I I it's not normally
Speaker 1: an let that I'm a huge fan of, but their
Speaker 1: work on this particular story has been second to none.
Speaker 1: They reached out to Rivera for a statement about her
Speaker 1: promotion of bleach as a COVID nineteen cure. She responded, quote,
Speaker 1: if you're sincerely interested in health reporting, you might look
Speaker 1: up all the medical use patents that include chlorine dioxide
Speaker 1: as an ingredient. After you've done that, maybe we can talk. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I'm busy helping my families, and she's referring to like
Speaker 1: patents for like water purification systems that have coin dioxided
Speaker 1: wildly lower concentration. Anyway, I shouldn't even be like fact
Speaker 1: checking her because she's full of ship. But it's like
Speaker 1: rat poison being in the lacroix kind of now, Billy
Speaker 1: rat poison kills rats, rats spread disease, ergo. Eating straight
Speaker 1: rat poison is a health remedy, and I would like
Speaker 1: to prescribe as much rat poison as you can fit
Speaker 1: in your gullet to all of my listeners today. Just really,
Speaker 1: the church of rat poison is opening up. I don't
Speaker 1: condone that. I wonder. I bet it would take at
Speaker 1: least six months for the FDA to shut us down.
Speaker 1: It would take longer than like, just as if we
Speaker 1: did it as a joke just to see. I think
Speaker 1: it would make us so sad. We would just like
Speaker 1: we gotta stop. They're not gonna this is, I mean
Speaker 1: it might Billy times are hard, and I need money
Speaker 1: to buy my compound in Idaho where I cannot pay
Speaker 1: taxes and manufacture illegal sought off weapons. So you know, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't. They don't look for that in Idaho,
Speaker 1: so you'll be out, so business Insider. Obviously, Carry was
Speaker 1: not willing to talk to them. But they've already obtained
Speaker 1: an into Carrie's online community, as have a number of journalists.
Speaker 1: They've gotten into her telegram groups or gotten access to
Speaker 1: activists who are in these telegram groups kind of watching
Speaker 1: what Carry and her fellow Bleach cult people are doing. Uh.
Speaker 1: In one video published to Carry Rivera's telegram group, Carry
Speaker 1: advises her followers that they can prevent the rohna by
Speaker 1: taking each and drinking it straight from the bottle, by
Speaker 1: spraying it into their mouth and nose periodically, or by
Speaker 1: loading it into a humidifier. And you used to get
Speaker 1: to coat the entire room a lot of ruined clothes
Speaker 1: in these um Now. She noted that if her followers
Speaker 1: get sick with the coronavirus anyway, which you think might
Speaker 1: suggest that maybe none of this actually works to prevent
Speaker 1: the coronavirus whatsoever, But she provided instructions for people who
Speaker 1: get the coronavirus anyway, saying quote, we can go into
Speaker 1: hyper mode and we can be doing everything. And by
Speaker 1: this she means that people who get the coronavirus should
Speaker 1: start not just drinking bleach, but drinking it, spraying it
Speaker 1: into their mouth and nose and loading it into a humidifier.
Speaker 1: So if you could wrap it around your neck, that
Speaker 1: would be helpful too. Yeah, is much like carry it
Speaker 1: like one of those medievals plague sensors. Just like bleach
Speaker 1: constantly spraying down your front. Now, a lot of people,
Speaker 1: a heartbreaking number of people, Billy, dozens of them followed
Speaker 1: Carrier of AERA's advice, which came with predictable and horrific
Speaker 1: health consequences. Parents uploaded photos of their wounded children to
Speaker 1: telegram in order to ask Carrie for advice in business.
Speaker 1: Instrution Inside or republished several of these extremely disturbing excerpts
Speaker 1: from the chat. So can you send Billy the first picture,
Speaker 1: the one that has the picture the kid. This is
Speaker 1: a This is part of a chat conversation in the
Speaker 1: telegram thread and someone one of the parents posts, my
Speaker 1: son suddenly has a rash. Anybody know what it is?
Speaker 1: I've never seen it before, and it's a picture of
Speaker 1: what looks like a very painful rash, like right on
Speaker 1: the kid's chest. Um, kind of like on his pectoral area.
Speaker 1: It looks really really nasty. Um and carry Rivera responded,
Speaker 1: her Kimer vs. Side secondary effect c D or any
Speaker 1: detox protocol item can cause a her Kimer reaction. Her
Speaker 1: Kimer reaction is the body saying you were going too
Speaker 1: fast at the detoxification and she used the wrong too
Speaker 1: for that with the one oh my yeah yeah. Uh
Speaker 1: So that actually counts as kind of responsible because she's
Speaker 1: saying that they were going too fast with the bleaching
Speaker 1: of their children, which is very different from her normal responses.
Speaker 1: So another response that Business Insider included in their article
Speaker 1: was a parent saying, it's a full moon, my son
Speaker 1: is aggressive today. Um. And I I can say, as
Speaker 1: a former special ed teacher, a lot of people even
Speaker 1: within that field, have some beliefs about the full moon
Speaker 1: and it impacting um, particularly autistic kids behavior. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any evidence of that, but it's something that
Speaker 1: like a lot of parents and even caregivers talk about.
Speaker 1: So this mom comes in and says it's full moon,
Speaker 1: my son is aggressive today. Uh. And Carrie Rivera immediately
Speaker 1: responds triple dose. And then in the next post Animals,
Speaker 1: triple dose inemas, that's her. That's her response to a
Speaker 1: kid being a little more aggressive one day than the other. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I can say that even the people I worked
Speaker 1: with in special ed whom had some maybe non non
Speaker 1: scientific views about the full moon, none of none of
Speaker 1: them gave kids multiple enemas as a response to aggression.
Speaker 1: Mostly we had them practice in coloring books. But yeah, um,
Speaker 1: some parents are both teachers, and they would come home
Speaker 1: and they would say, I mean, not even about special kids.
Speaker 1: They would just be like as a full moon Friday,
Speaker 1: as they were sucking other minds today. Just that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff where it's like that's a common thing. And
Speaker 1: then for her to it, she just sounds like that
Speaker 1: aggressive bro. It's like, oh, you need three shots. Bleach
Speaker 1: that kid's asshole, bra Yeah, bleach it three times. Kids
Speaker 1: being agro bleach that asshole. Yeah. In another exchange appearance,
Speaker 1: you were the kid, You're like, the bleach is the
Speaker 1: strongest of all billy I know. And now in another
Speaker 1: exchange in this telegram channel, a parent complains to carry
Speaker 1: that their child has a fever and a cold after
Speaker 1: beginning her course of MMS. They write, we are on
Speaker 1: two drops of chlorine dioxide. Didn't start enema yet, kid
Speaker 1: got fever and cold. What should I do now? Question mark?
Speaker 1: Can I continue chlorine dioxide? Carry responds, Stay on chlorine
Speaker 1: dioxide sixteen times a day, chlorine dioxide, baths, chlorine dioxide,
Speaker 1: oral chlorine dioxide, enema. If eating stops, then only baths
Speaker 1: and enemas. I can't. Yeah, she's an unfathomably evil person
Speaker 1: and deserves to be fired out of a cannon into
Speaker 1: the sun. Um I don't Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: usually fundamentally against the death penalty, you know, exceptions, exceptions, this,
Speaker 1: This would be the only proof I would require as
Speaker 1: a juror for like, yeah, let's just let's just let's
Speaker 1: just get her out of here, let's just deal with
Speaker 1: this person. Yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah, god, yeah, she's
Speaker 1: a monster like that. If eating stops, then only baths
Speaker 1: and enemas. Like you typed that, Carrie. You wrote that
Speaker 1: with your own hands, and you didn't explode into a
Speaker 1: ball of self loathing, and you charged people money for
Speaker 1: you to write that to them. Like fucking hell, Like
Speaker 1: at least when Paul Manafort funded and helped to spark
Speaker 1: civil wars in multiple countries, killing hundreds of thousands of people.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to finish that sentence. Um, I
Speaker 1: hate them both. I bet they I bet they've hung out.
Speaker 1: I feel like they've been in the same room probably before.
Speaker 1: They're the same kind of person, and that I think
Speaker 1: that like there's great. There's certain groups of people like
Speaker 1: like you look at these kind of like financial criminals
Speaker 1: who like ran a lot of the banks that led
Speaker 1: us into the twos and eight crash, and that are
Speaker 1: definitely in the process of fucking things up again today.
Speaker 1: I think the right response, the right punishment to those
Speaker 1: people is to take away all of their money and
Speaker 1: to make them live like normal folks, work in a
Speaker 1: normal a straight job, you know, hold down an apartment. Right. Um,
Speaker 1: that's what you do to those people. Uh, that's the
Speaker 1: worst punishment they can get. And I think that they
Speaker 1: wouldn't be any danger to mankind if they their money
Speaker 1: was gone and they just had to be a normal person.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I think some of them might actually
Speaker 1: be happier. But I think there's some people who are
Speaker 1: fundamentally toxic and who will do whatever because of their need.
Speaker 1: And I don't really understand what the need is, but
Speaker 1: Carrie Rivera has it. You cannot stop this person from
Speaker 1: giving dangerous life, alteringly toxic because kids have kids have
Speaker 1: at least two kids have died taken chlorine dioxide. Kids
Speaker 1: have been hospitalized and lost stomach lining, specifically from taking
Speaker 1: Carrie's advice. Um, there is nothing that will stop my theory.
Speaker 1: If we followed her story back deep enough to where
Speaker 1: her zenith there is a tree or something falling on
Speaker 1: her hand. Yeah, she's a tree headcase, right, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: just has to be doing this. She can't stop her
Speaker 1: fucking I hate. Yeah. So Carrie Rivera is a monster.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a theologian billy, But I might describe
Speaker 1: telling a parent to give their children chlorine baths and
Speaker 1: enemas if they stop eating. Um, I might describe that
Speaker 1: as violating Mark Grennan's commandment that members of the Genesis
Speaker 1: to Church should work to overcome brutality. That seems brutal
Speaker 1: to me. But I'm not a theologian billy. I didn't
Speaker 1: go to theologian college theology. Uh so maybe I'm wrong
Speaker 1: about that. If you're a theologian, let us know in
Speaker 1: the comments if I have if I've gotten religion wrong. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move back on to the Art Church Explanatory
Speaker 1: Essay on the Genesis two website quote. This is under
Speaker 1: the section titled our service to mankind consists of number one,
Speaker 1: doing good deeds. Number two good health for all mankind.
Speaker 1: Number three doing what is right, which seems like doing
Speaker 1: good deeds, but I guess it needed a second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: freedom for all mankind. Number four, Enlighten others with the truth.
Speaker 1: Number five, helping one another. Number six, which also seems
Speaker 1: like it falls under the doing good deeds. It's it's
Speaker 1: number seven, maintain integrity in all things, which seems like
Speaker 1: doing what is right. I feel like you've got maybe
Speaker 1: actually three commandments there, but I I don't know. Again
Speaker 1: not I don't. One if we're being honest, he's just like,
Speaker 1: don't be a dick would kind of thing. I guess
Speaker 1: you could say, don't be a dick. Good health for
Speaker 1: all mankind. Yeah, maybe maybe two, but that's still part
Speaker 1: of being not being a dick. It's being healthy, yea
Speaker 1: care of yourself that it all falls into that I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not a good like really, the more I
Speaker 1: read the Genesis to Church, the more approval I have
Speaker 1: for at least kind of the amount of thinking that
Speaker 1: went into the Ten Commandments, because those are all very
Speaker 1: distinct commandments and they applied even if you're not really
Speaker 1: that religious. They're like, this is a good set of rules.
Speaker 1: You guys, you can't I'm not a big an of
Speaker 1: the no God but God sort of thing, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole you know, not murdering, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: pretty I'm on board, right, Yeah, yeah, fine, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's some good stuff in there that's not repeated.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, good work, Jehovah. Solid commandment writing.
Speaker 1: Mark Grinn improves that it's actually pretty hard. So the
Speaker 1: next get the confusing overall religious part of the Bible, though,
Speaker 1: he gets that part where it contradicts itself, and he
Speaker 1: gets that part pretty good. He does get, yeah, the
Speaker 1: self contradictory part. And I don't know, Billy fingers crossed.
Speaker 1: I think there might be a couple of genocides as
Speaker 1: the result of this bleached church in the future, but well,
Speaker 1: we we will see. Anything can happen in h Yeah,
Speaker 1: the persecution is coming, so that part is going to come.
Speaker 1: Yea and excited I told you, I am excited for
Speaker 1: when the church, the bleached Church, splits into from the
Speaker 1: people who think that you need to use bleach enemas
Speaker 1: along with bleach in the mouth and the eyes, to
Speaker 1: the people who just think you need to drink bleach,
Speaker 1: and then those two sides start a war and like
Speaker 1: one group winds up holding up in a castle in
Speaker 1: the south of France and there's a horrible siege and
Speaker 1: a massacre. Like I'm fucking really looking forward to that
Speaker 1: that part of the Bleach Church's history. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: some good times. The Bleach Crusades, Oh my god, gonna
Speaker 1: be great. I'm kind of now that if you put
Speaker 1: it that way. Yeah, I feel like I'll be one
Speaker 1: of those people during this war just watching, just being
Speaker 1: like they're fotting down on that heil down there, Isn't
Speaker 1: it funny? Yeah? Yeah, because like the Crusades they tried
Speaker 1: to like it started when they tried to retake Jerusalem,
Speaker 1: and I guess for the bleached Churts it would be
Speaker 1: like Beverly Hills. Yeah, that that feels right. I'm there's
Speaker 1: some good heels to watch him too. That's great. There
Speaker 1: is a great thing about l A. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to that religious war. So the next paragraph of the
Speaker 1: our Service to Mankind section is real, real good times,
Speaker 1: because this is where we finally learned why the Genesis
Speaker 1: to Church put such a focus on not uh worshiping
Speaker 1: a God and instead focusing on helping people. And it's
Speaker 1: because centering their church on any God or gods would
Speaker 1: distract from the one true God of the Genesis to Church,
Speaker 1: which is, of course Bleach. No. No, we do not
Speaker 1: feel it is our mission to teach our members any
Speaker 1: kind of beliefs beyond the technology of our sacramental protocol
Speaker 1: water and any other cleansing technology of our healing sacraments.
Speaker 1: We believe that it is each member's private responsibility to
Speaker 1: form his or her own religious beliefs, and thus we
Speaker 1: remain neutral to all the religious beliefs of our members.
Speaker 1: So we don't talk about any specific God because our
Speaker 1: God is Bleach slash sacramental protocol water. That is I
Speaker 1: am very you know. One of the problems this church
Speaker 1: is gonna have is when their equivalent of Martin Luther
Speaker 1: nails his ninety five theses to the door of Mark
Speaker 1: Grennan's house. All that bleach is gonna white out whatever
Speaker 1: they've written on the papers, which is gonna make it
Speaker 1: hard to have bleached Lutherans. It's wow. Yeah. So after
Speaker 1: all this, the page goes on to outline the many
Speaker 1: benefits of membership in the church. Mark states that the
Speaker 1: main one is that you'll help Genesis to change the
Speaker 1: world into a better place. He writes, quote, I mean
Speaker 1: really change the world, not all the Mamby pamby stuff
Speaker 1: that the religions have been spewing for the past thousands
Speaker 1: of years, which is like taking a shot. That's like
Speaker 1: me cutting an album like in my home, using nothing
Speaker 1: but this empty jug of wine, and then being like
Speaker 1: this is going to change the world. Not like that
Speaker 1: namby Pamby bullshit. The Beatles put out what did they get?
Speaker 1: A couple hundred million albums sales? Nobody knows is that ship? Hey, Jude,
Speaker 1: go fund yourself like pet sounds Yeah, yeah, you call
Speaker 1: yourself the beach boys. Nothing says the beach like me
Speaker 1: blowing into a jug. It's it's it's great. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta respect the hutzpah. Now, the other benefits that
Speaker 1: mark lists of joining the Genesis Church include protection against
Speaker 1: unwanted vaccinations. See joining the Genesis to Church means that
Speaker 1: you are entitled to get a little card with your
Speaker 1: face on it that you can give to your doctor
Speaker 1: or to your kids school, and it states that your
Speaker 1: religion forbids vaccinations, unwanted X rays or quote health insurance
Speaker 1: mandated by human authority, which I think means that members
Speaker 1: of the Genesis to Church get exempt from Obamacare or
Speaker 1: presumably whatever single payer system the you're the European or
Speaker 1: Australian ones they're under. So that's cool. Listen here, it
Speaker 1: just feels like the dude start. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: any religion I understand, where it's like they keep writing
Speaker 1: it as the hiccups come along, where it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: there's some of these people have insurance and they're going
Speaker 1: the doctor and this is really cutting into our sales.
Speaker 1: So let's say that they're exempt from this so they
Speaker 1: don't have to get Uh yeah, I mean I suspect
Speaker 1: this is like part of a scheme to try to
Speaker 1: exempt people from like you know how I think this
Speaker 1: has changed under Trump, but it used to be that, like,
Speaker 1: if you didn't sign up for Obamacare and you didn't
Speaker 1: have health insurance through some other means, you paid an
Speaker 1: additional tax. I'm guessing this is Mark Grinnin's way of
Speaker 1: like trying to con people by saying, like, you won't
Speaker 1: have to pay, you know, those taxes if you join
Speaker 1: our church, which I don't think would actually exempt you
Speaker 1: from that tax. But that's what I'm guessing is the
Speaker 1: actual purpose of this. Yeah yeah, God said I didn't
Speaker 1: have to take my ail sets, but I still get
Speaker 1: to be a lawyer. Uh, billy, I think you have
Speaker 1: just hit upon the world's whist religion. Okay, yeah, lawyerism.
Speaker 1: This is this. This, this is the like, if you
Speaker 1: join our church, you are legally a lawyer and can
Speaker 1: then represent yourself in court when the government raids your
Speaker 1: small mountain compound because you haven't been paying taxes. I object, well,
Speaker 1: lawyer is m if you think libertarians argued, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So the next thing membership grants you is the ability
Speaker 1: to purchase health products of all kinds in any quantity,
Speaker 1: which I think mainly means bleach in this context. So
Speaker 1: paid membership costs thirty five dollars per adult, and you
Speaker 1: also have to pay like half as much per child,
Speaker 1: plus twenty dollars per year, and it entitles you to
Speaker 1: a photo I D that lists your rights. Uh In
Speaker 1: notes that the church will prosecute anyone caught violating them.
Speaker 1: Mark Grennan notes children twelve and below our half price,
Speaker 1: and each child should carry one of these cards, especially
Speaker 1: to prevent vaccinations. Oh man, so good, it's so cool
Speaker 1: and so good. Where are you as a child that
Speaker 1: you could accidentally get vaccinated? They believe they believe. I
Speaker 1: don't think Mark Grinnan believes could think Mark grinn is
Speaker 1: a con man, but they have convinced a bunch of
Speaker 1: very dumb and scared parents to believe that there's people
Speaker 1: like lurking in the fucking bushes, doctors trying to like
Speaker 1: vaccinate your kids with poison um like that. That's not
Speaker 1: far off from what a lot of these folks believe.
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of where they're coming from.
Speaker 1: So Billy, as we enjoyed laughing about last time. Members
Speaker 1: of the church can also pay to become Ministers of health,
Speaker 1: either in seminars conducted by Grinning around the world or
Speaker 1: in online classes. Grinnan notes the training is very thorough
Speaker 1: and includes doing and using all the sacraments protocols on oneself.
Speaker 1: Each student learns all the technical data of why MMS
Speaker 1: works and sacraments for most diseases of mankind. Finally, there
Speaker 1: is an exam to test your mental proficiency of the
Speaker 1: g two sacraments. Now, you might notice that term health minister,
Speaker 1: which is used by Grinnin on the official website, is
Speaker 1: different from the title reverend doctor, which church founder Jim
Speaker 1: Humble used when advertising the same thing. And this is
Speaker 1: a running theme with the genesis to Church responsible like
Speaker 1: UM like like. Journalists who have covered them will note
Speaker 1: that in different places and by on the websites of
Speaker 1: different people, MMS is both stated to stand for Miracle
Speaker 1: Mineral Solution and Magical Mineral Solution UM, which is a
Speaker 1: thing like respectable medical training establishments always use wildly different
Speaker 1: terms for the exact same thing. Like that's a fine thing.
Speaker 1: It's like how we also called doctors jimbo Jones and
Speaker 1: both of those terms are equal. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it's like. It's not like any of
Speaker 1: because people are scam artists. Now, on his website, Mark
Speaker 1: Grennan insists that quote no one in the history of
Speaker 1: man has had as much in ability to heal as
Speaker 1: many diseases with as much certainty, and he's referring to
Speaker 1: the the ministers who trained in his bleaching program. Medical doctors,
Speaker 1: for instance, will in their entire lifetime heal less people
Speaker 1: than one of our active ministers will heal in one year. Doctors, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if all you're doing is pouring, bleaching people's throats and
Speaker 1: calling them cured, that is easier than treating actual sick people.
Speaker 1: It takes so long to heal a broken leg, Billy,
Speaker 1: it does. It's it's incredibly compa Yeah, gunshot wounds those
Speaker 1: can take years to heal from. But if you're just
Speaker 1: pouring bleaching people, so much easier. These idiot doctors learning
Speaker 1: how to do stuff like set bones and run ventilators
Speaker 1: when all they need is bleached. All I need it,
Speaker 1: that's Billy. I just came up with a new hit
Speaker 1: song from my Better than the Beatles one Man jug band,
Speaker 1: All you Need is Bleached, set to the tune of
Speaker 1: nothing else that's ever been sung before. It's totally original,
Speaker 1: I think, just with a hint of reggae underneath. We
Speaker 1: got oh yeah, oh fuck yeah, dude. As much reggae
Speaker 1: as you can get into a man blowing into a
Speaker 1: jug that's probably a reggat anything. So the Genesis to
Speaker 1: Church also notes that the kind of certificate that you
Speaker 1: get is experienced based, So once you've healed ten people,
Speaker 1: you can request and pay more for a bishop certificate.
Speaker 1: So that's really the line to become a bishop. So
Speaker 1: we could be bishop doctors. Huh, I don't. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: pretty ambitious, so I'm in you know, see, it's one
Speaker 1: of those things. The state of New Jersey has officially
Speaker 1: recognized me as a reverend doctor. That's not a joke.
Speaker 1: That's a thing that's happened. I have the certificate, so
Speaker 1: I am already legally a reverend doctor. But I could
Speaker 1: become a reverend doctor bishop, which that's thirty three more official.
Speaker 1: I'm asking anyone that has the power and anywhere but
Speaker 1: New Jersey make me reverend doctor. So we could. So
Speaker 1: the race is onto who becomes this bishop first, and
Speaker 1: then we can have a bishop contest. So if you,
Speaker 1: if you have the ability to to get a state
Speaker 1: legislature to recognize someone officially recognize Billy as a reverend
Speaker 1: doctor and also recognized me as a bishop. Um oh man, Billy.
Speaker 1: What if I were to move onto a small town
Speaker 1: in the middle of rural Idaho, start manufacturing a legal weapon,
Speaker 1: stop paying taxes, and also run for sheriff, then I
Speaker 1: could be sheriff, reverend doctor, Bishop Evans, and I would
Speaker 1: I would could I get I would like dual citizenship
Speaker 1: with the United States and whatever you decided to call
Speaker 1: your sovereign country. Yeah, yeah, we will succeed very quickly,
Speaker 1: like basically immediately. Yeah. No, that's I just felt that
Speaker 1: I would be redundant to say that you would succeed,
Speaker 1: but that was I would like dual citizenship. Yeah yeah, Now, Billy,
Speaker 1: the whole Genesis to website is a real comedy gold mine,
Speaker 1: or at least it would be if children weren't being
Speaker 1: tortured with bleach based on these nonsensical teachings. The next
Speaker 1: section of the explainer page on that website is simply
Speaker 1: titled who are we, and it answers that question with
Speaker 1: the Genesis to Church of Health and Healing, a most
Speaker 1: unusual church, which is not inaccurate. It's very unusual. Although
Speaker 1: the church part I disagree with. Now. This is followed
Speaker 1: immediately by a quote attributed to Archbishop Mark Grinning. And
Speaker 1: remember he's the one who wrote this. So he's wrote this,
Speaker 1: and he's quoting himself in it. And here's what he
Speaker 1: quotes himself as saying, nothing is lawfully right, that is
Speaker 1: morally wrong. I mean immediately, that's yeah, I will kick
Speaker 1: you in the nuts because you are full as ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's awesome. It's so good that all of this has
Speaker 1: been allowed to continue up to this point. So the
Speaker 1: the FDA letter to Mark um demanded that he stopped
Speaker 1: selling drinking bleach, that he takes action to inform his
Speaker 1: followers that he lied about its powers, and that he
Speaker 1: refund their money. Um And in his response letter to them,
Speaker 1: Mark was unequivocal about his rejection of government's power to
Speaker 1: stop him from telling people to bleach away their problems.
Speaker 1: He closed it out by writing, we can say here
Speaker 1: he'll and treat as a free church. Don't need your
Speaker 1: approove voler authorization for a church sacrament. There will be
Speaker 1: no corrective actions on our part. You have no authority
Speaker 1: over us, never going to happen. That's official. That's how
Speaker 1: unofficial would write it. Now that's do you think do
Speaker 1: you think he took that to like a notary to
Speaker 1: get that notarized in there? Like, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: notorize it. I don't. Yeah, I knowing Mark grinn and
Speaker 1: his notary would be just pouring a little dabble a
Speaker 1: bleach on the end there. That's a seal so ant stamped.
Speaker 1: I will say though, in that last statement, Mark Grennan's
Speaker 1: bleached church is in lockstep with a pretty significant chunk
Speaker 1: of the Trumpett wing of the American conservative movement. And
Speaker 1: this is where things get real dark. Uh. Now, I
Speaker 1: made a point of noting that it's very unlikely that
Speaker 1: Trump's disinfectant remarks were a direct signal to the bleached Church,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that there's been no buy into
Speaker 1: the bleach could by powerful Republican figures. You ever heard
Speaker 1: of all and Keys, Billy Wayne? Yeah. Dr Allen L. O.
Speaker 1: Keys not in any way a medical doctor. Is a
Speaker 1: Harvard University graduate and a veteran of the US Foreign Service.
Speaker 1: He served at consulates in India and Zimbabwe, and he
Speaker 1: was made an ambassador to the U n by President
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan. He is a famed arch conservative hardliner with
Speaker 1: a long series of failed election bids and an equally
Speaker 1: long history of being backed by Republican leaders. Reagan himself
Speaker 1: endorsed keys is nine senate run. I'm gonna quote now
Speaker 1: from The Daily Beast. In two thousand and four, he
Speaker 1: made headlines for abruptly moving to Chicago to run against
Speaker 1: Barack Obama than a state senator. On the campaign trail,
Speaker 1: Keys was vocally anti abortion and anti gay, infamously calling
Speaker 1: Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter a selfish hedonist. After
Speaker 1: the two thousand eight presidential election, Keys became a member
Speaker 1: of the birther movement, which falsely charged that Obama was
Speaker 1: not born in the United States. He has since traveled
Speaker 1: in a paranoid wing of the GOP, authoring articles for
Speaker 1: the conspiracy heavy sight World Net Daily. Nevertheless, Keys has
Speaker 1: more mainstream cloud than some of his fellow travelers. He
Speaker 1: hosted a short lived MSNBC show, Alan keys Is Making
Speaker 1: Sense in two thous two and spoke at s Pack
Speaker 1: this year. So Keys is, we will say, not the
Speaker 1: most mainstream Republican figure, but he is very much in
Speaker 1: the broad Republican movement and mainstream enough that he got
Speaker 1: to speak at Fucking Cepack. Alan Keys is also a
Speaker 1: big old fan of drinking Bleach in the Church of
Speaker 1: Drinking Bleach. He first met with Mark and Jonathan Grinning
Speaker 1: in August of two eighteen, and after that meeting he
Speaker 1: began increasingly touting the benefits of MMS. His current platform
Speaker 1: is the far right video channel i am TV, which
Speaker 1: mainly exists to push the work of dr Allen L. Keys.
Speaker 1: His show, Let's Talk America, is the star program for
Speaker 1: the network. Alan has had a number of MMS touting guests,
Speaker 1: including Mike Adams, founder of Natural News, former Bastards, pod
Speaker 1: uh Subject, and a regular Info Wars co host. Another
Speaker 1: host on the I m TV network, Robert Sisson, has
Speaker 1: hosted Mark Grennan to talk about MMS. Now. The good
Speaker 1: news is that I MTV is still a decidedly fringe endeavor.
Speaker 1: The channel streams on Roku in YouTube. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you its exact size, but it has only three hundred
Speaker 1: followers on YouTube. This might lead you to reject and
Speaker 1: ignore it completely, and I want to caution people against
Speaker 1: doing that. I'm going to quote The Daily Beast again
Speaker 1: to explain why I MTV describes itself as a news
Speaker 1: channel backed by Dr Alan Keys, although that support might
Speaker 1: not necessarily be financial. Sissan has also described another kind
Speaker 1: of backing, spiritual support from Uganda. I AMTV operates a
Speaker 1: new studio out of Uganda and has released multiple videos
Speaker 1: showing Cissan and Keys in the country together, although those
Speaker 1: videos primarily show the pair engaged in church ministry. Sissan
Speaker 1: has said that they distributed chlorine dioxide to locals. We've
Speaker 1: been doing this for years in Africa and treating literally
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of people with all kinds
Speaker 1: of remarkable stories from people who are left to die
Speaker 1: because they've been poisoned. Uh and it cures that in
Speaker 1: just a few hours, he said in an August video
Speaker 1: titled Chlorine Dioxide Update. Though i MTV does not appear
Speaker 1: to have uploaded fotage of its affiliates distributing mms in Uganda,
Speaker 1: other chlorine dioxide distributors in Uganda have posted pictures of
Speaker 1: themselves feeding the mixture to children. So that's good. Kids
Speaker 1: are being kids are being bleached in Uganda thanks to
Speaker 1: this guy. Um and he's got some steak in it.
Speaker 1: Then Alan Keys has done, has given it out himself. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got some money in it, That's all I mean,
Speaker 1: because I was just like, what's his angle here, because
Speaker 1: at first I was like, well, maybe it's just like
Speaker 1: getting the followers some power and it's money. He's uh yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: Uganda authorities have already arrested at least one American Probate
Speaker 1: Bleach activist in the past for poisoning children, which is
Speaker 1: a real sentence about a thing that happened. Um, this
Speaker 1: does not seem to have had an impact on people
Speaker 1: like Sisson and Keys, though. In in October two, nineteen
Speaker 1: edition of Keys Show, Robert Sisson stated, I'm convinced that
Speaker 1: chlorine dioxide is going to be what God uses to
Speaker 1: bring down big Pharma. He directed listeners to the Genesis
Speaker 1: to website and told them to buy MMS. Then he
Speaker 1: went on to add, I do know that it will
Speaker 1: detoct your body and then God himself will heal you
Speaker 1: where And we're finding in like in Uganda, curing malaria
Speaker 1: and poisoning and diabetes and aids. By the way, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Alan Keys, who was again a recent invited guest speaker
Speaker 1: at Sea Pack, listened to this and then stated that
Speaker 1: Cissan's claims are quote why I was so interested in
Speaker 1: MMS and going to Uganda so far? So. In conclusion, Billy,
Speaker 1: the Bleach Church and its profits are profoundly silly and
Speaker 1: they don't deserve to be taken seriously, but the impact
Speaker 1: and the spread of their dangerous beliefs has to be
Speaker 1: taken seriously. When we ignore groups like this, we allow
Speaker 1: them to spread and metastasized through our society. Trump's words
Speaker 1: have added fuel to their movement. It is no longer
Speaker 1: an option to just pretend we can ignore these people.
Speaker 1: And again, the article that just came out today from
Speaker 1: Vice quotes Carry Rivera and a number of other people
Speaker 1: who have been very bullish about Trump's bleached Trump's disinfectment statements, saying,
Speaker 1: in one case, a person wrote, this is a major
Speaker 1: opportunity to begin a discussion about a timely and interesting
Speaker 1: application of chlorine dioxide. It's worth noting that the only
Speaker 1: person not super happy about all this in recent days
Speaker 1: has been Mark Grennan, because his church has attracted FDA
Speaker 1: attention and they seem to be seriously pursuing them, he
Speaker 1: wrote recently on the April Yeah, that is good. Um.
Speaker 1: He wrote on the twenty April things have been happening
Speaker 1: folks in the last week or two. That is not good.
Speaker 1: This insanity has to stop. Um yeah, yeah. He wrote
Speaker 1: that three U S. Marshals had quote put a restraining
Speaker 1: order on our church door. Um, so that's kind of
Speaker 1: like Martin Luther. So I guess maybe that's our reform. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they seem serious about it. This
Speaker 1: story is developing, and unfortunately you and I are going
Speaker 1: to wind up talking about the bleached church again. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. We might never stop doing that.
Speaker 1: And it's our pentance for all the machety stuff. It is.
Speaker 1: It is we made a lot of money. Yeah m hm,
Speaker 1: so it's our pentance. The universe is a motherfucker. I
Speaker 1: will say the f d A has supported and approves
Speaker 1: of machetes as a treatment for any and all ailments.
Speaker 1: It is the only one true medicine. So buy a
Speaker 1: machete today, um, and swing it in a wide arc
Speaker 1: around your body when you go out, and I guarantee
Speaker 1: you will not get close enough to anyone to spread
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. That's the beauty of a machete. That's facts. Muh.
Speaker 1: Do we die? No horrificking bummed out. So, Billy, do
Speaker 1: you have anything you would like to plug that part? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, sorry. You can follow me at Billy Wayne
Speaker 1: Davis on Twitter and Instagram. Uh and then that's where
Speaker 1: I'll post any new information. And I have a new
Speaker 1: podcast called Grown Local, which is about the people in
Speaker 1: places of the cannabis communities around our country. First season
Speaker 1: is about Eugene, Oregon. Hey, Robert, do you have anything
Speaker 1: that you would like to plug or promote? I have
Speaker 1: a podcast called The Women's War, which is about a
Speaker 1: trip I took to Syria that wound up being the
Speaker 1: most inspiring and least depressing things that has happened to
Speaker 1: me in the last three or four years. Uh and
Speaker 1: I think it provides an inspiring roadmap for how society
Speaker 1: could be uh rebuilt in the face of collapse in
Speaker 1: a positive and non toxic direction that might be healthier
Speaker 1: than a lot of what we're doing right now. So
Speaker 1: people should take a take a listen, take a gander.
Speaker 1: I also want to note that I have currently this
Speaker 1: week launched a fundraiser for There is an organization in Portland,
Speaker 1: the Portland Diaper Bank, that is attempting to provide diapers
Speaker 1: to low income mothers, basically people who can't afford diapers
Speaker 1: because they're expensive and you need a lot of them
Speaker 1: for babies. Uh. Normally they're able to collect funds to
Speaker 1: to do this for a year, UM, but they have recently,
Speaker 1: as a result of the COVID nineteen pandemic, had trouble
Speaker 1: getting donations from within Portland. UM. When I started the
Speaker 1: fundraiser this morning, they were about ten thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 1: raised of their dollar goal for the year, and that's
Speaker 1: a year of diapers for low income, largely single mothers
Speaker 1: in Portland. They're now almost at thousand. So please if
Speaker 1: you go to go fund me and type in COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen response and diaper need, you will find the go
Speaker 1: fund me. Also, if you go to my Twitter profile
Speaker 1: I at I write okay um okay to letters, you
Speaker 1: will find my pinned tweet has a link to the
Speaker 1: go fund me. So please consider donating help them out.
Speaker 1: They could really use it. It's a good cause. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of necessary causes honest Lee right now, but UH,
Speaker 1: poor mothers being able to provide diapers to their babies
Speaker 1: is a good thing. It's a single problem that can
Speaker 1: be solved by the people who listen to the show,
Speaker 1: and that would be one less problem in the world.
Speaker 1: So please COVID nineteen response and diaper need on go
Speaker 1: funds me. Yeah, that's the episode. Everybody, have a good
Speaker 1: rest of your day and wash your hands, and don't
Speaker 1: drink bleach. Yeah, avoid avoid drinking bleach. Maybe a little bit,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit, maybe maybe a self you're gonna
Speaker 1: a joke test or something coming up. I've just I
Speaker 1: just don't do that. Motherfucker's I just get well, that's
Speaker 1: the episode.