Speaker 1: Slevety book Club.
Speaker 2: Hey, baby, this is just a PSA. Today's huge episode.
Speaker 2: It's about Share.
Speaker 3: Baby, it's a big fat episode and her memoir is
Speaker 3: a real heavy one. So guess what, baby, we're breaking
Speaker 3: it up into two parts.
Speaker 2: Look, preser it gets two episodes.
Speaker 3: I sure as he'll do too, So please enjoy this.
Speaker 3: But now that there is one more big fat episode
Speaker 3: on Share to come next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so settle in and buckle up. Slay book Club, Cherylyn.
Speaker 3: If you walk out of that door, you're never coming back.
Speaker 2: Mama. I love Sonny.
Speaker 1: I don't care that man's not good for you. He's
Speaker 1: much older and Sicilian. I don't trust him. He's not
Speaker 1: as rich as you are.
Speaker 2: Pretty Share Please, babe, we're Armenian. Who cares if he's Sicilian?
Speaker 2: And he treats me right better than I don't know?
Speaker 2: Husband won two, three, four, five, five again six, Babe.
Speaker 1: Chroylynne, all those man I did for you, I found
Speaker 1: husbands that would provide for us.
Speaker 2: Mama, Babe, I just wanna sing. And Sonny's promised me
Speaker 2: that he says he's gonna introduce me to Philip Spector. Mama,
Speaker 2: where's my swede? Vest? You bought me at the sears.
Speaker 1: Last month, Chrolyn, I wore that swayed vest to a
Speaker 1: cocktail party with my other submin wives and they all said,
Speaker 1: that's a vest for a mature lady, not a young girl.
Speaker 1: You're just fourteen, little Chrilyn. You can't be going off
Speaker 1: in living with a Sicilian man. And let me tell
Speaker 1: you something about that phil Spector. He's never gonna give
Speaker 1: you the time of day. No, no, no, you're not
Speaker 1: the Ronettes.
Speaker 3: Oh you're beautiful, You're beautiful, my cup.
Speaker 2: But you can't sing, MoMA. I'm just trying to do
Speaker 2: what you wanted to do, which was sing, babe, do
Speaker 2: up if I could turn my chime. I'm sorry, Chlene.
Speaker 3: I know I heard you.
Speaker 2: Ollu Walner move in with Sonny, babe, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make so much money singing with that Philip Specter. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna buy you and dea house. I'm gonna come back here.
Speaker 2: You mock my words, Mama, babe. I'm gonna come back
Speaker 2: here with a big old check and a big old
Speaker 2: red Cadillac, and I'm gonna have a paper bag of
Speaker 2: money and I'm gonna jump it on the bed and
Speaker 2: We're gonna live hard class.
Speaker 3: But don't you say I didn't warn you when it
Speaker 3: all falls to.
Speaker 2: Mama.
Speaker 3: No, you can go through the window. That's more dramatic.
Speaker 2: I'm so thin, but it's not in style yet. I
Speaker 2: can justly loose window.
Speaker 3: Oh, get your skinny little lass out of here.
Speaker 2: My ass is gonna fat when I come back. I'm
Speaker 2: all this ciling and cooking.
Speaker 3: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,
Speaker 3: you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and you've got books
Speaker 3: the bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,
Speaker 3: it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoirs Martini.
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Speaker 3: Hey, best friends, her best friend?
Speaker 2: Hi, best friend. How you doing, babe?
Speaker 3: How you doing baby?
Speaker 2: It's a sunny day at CBS lot.
Speaker 3: Happen, New Year, Babe.
Speaker 2: Happen New Year Babe. We're recording live from Real Loss
Speaker 2: from Vegas.
Speaker 3: Where there's a heara underneath the tropic canna in the
Speaker 3: launder room.
Speaker 2: Okay, you guys, let's get straight freaking into it. Because
Speaker 2: the book we read was.
Speaker 3: Long, Mama, it was long just getting started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like we're gonna have to do like five
Speaker 2: other epps about this book and the second part we
Speaker 2: are talking about today. None, No, the the Mother, of
Speaker 2: course we're talking about.
Speaker 3: She's one of the ones, literally the ones.
Speaker 2: There's only a few.
Speaker 3: Yes, she's right up there with God and Madonna. Of course,
Speaker 3: we're talking about Share and.
Speaker 2: Her book, Share the Memoir Part one.
Speaker 3: He it's a heavy book. You read this book and
Speaker 3: you're just like, on page one hundred, she's still age four.
Speaker 2: But yet she's already moved in with Sonny. And then
Speaker 2: it's like your page let's say seventy five, and you're
Speaker 2: reading it and you're like, are we still on her
Speaker 2: great grandmother's childhood or her grandmother's child.
Speaker 3: She's very not a single detail and it ends in
Speaker 3: just like nineteen eighty and you're just like, oh, so
Speaker 3: she hasn't even like done any of her big movies or.
Speaker 2: Like, well, that's kind of actually, I would say the
Speaker 2: point of this book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is to say this was her first act.
Speaker 2: This was her first act. This book is about her
Speaker 2: great grandmother's childhood.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This book is about the South. It is about about
Speaker 2: the West. It's about the wild West.
Speaker 3: About America and mythology.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's about moving to California with a goddamn dream
Speaker 2: and the men who keep you from it. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: also the men who bring you to California. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: say you've got something about you, but then take it
Speaker 2: off from you.
Speaker 3: It's just like every week there's a man going you
Speaker 3: got something, kid, for like the first fourteen years of
Speaker 3: her life.
Speaker 2: If I may just situate you kind of in the
Speaker 2: past for a second, just so you know where you're
Speaker 2: just like, what the hell are you talking about? With
Speaker 2: like all of her great grandparents. You turn to a
Speaker 2: page and you're like, oh, this is like a tree
Speaker 2: book about the mines. Isaac blew up stumps for the
Speaker 2: railroad for a living, and that day he lit too
Speaker 2: close on the dynamite fuse. He was blown sky high
Speaker 2: in the explosion. Widowed and penniless, Margaret struggled the feet
Speaker 2: her family when she lost the small farm she could
Speaker 2: only afford to keep the two youngest boys send the
Speaker 2: rest to relatives. They didn't know Skinny, shine, tiny, and
Speaker 2: you're like, wait, what.
Speaker 3: You said that this book is They call a schoolers
Speaker 3: sketch about the past, and it literally is like you
Speaker 3: had another selection from the first fifty pages of the book.
Speaker 3: While in Reno, there was a local beauty pageant. Linda
Speaker 3: urged Mom to enter, even though neither thought she could
Speaker 3: actually win. I'm being southern now. Mom was amazed when
Speaker 3: she crowned the model Miss. She won a cash prize
Speaker 3: and her picture was in the paper for days. In
Speaker 3: one photograph, she was winking at someone in the audience,
Speaker 3: and when I asked who that was, she said it
Speaker 3: was my grandmother. My grandmother was even more excited when
Speaker 3: she spotted Ernest prim millionaire, who was a regular in
Speaker 3: the Gardena club in La where Linda was his favorite waitress.
Speaker 3: Ernie was a middle aged bald in Texan with the
Speaker 3: property and pilot included Rito's Pallet Club, Casino and the
Speaker 3: Prima Donna Club. It was a match made in heaven,
Speaker 3: my grandmother's greed and his money. Linda was eager to
Speaker 3: introduce a single daughter to the man she called the
Speaker 3: big bass.
Speaker 2: Everyone is like a roven singer in like an old
Speaker 2: saloon that's taken on a child, but then like a
Speaker 2: dog goes missing, so they had to shoot their first son.
Speaker 2: There's a photo in here of her grandparents, and her
Speaker 2: grandfather looks like the scariest like hating of like an
Speaker 2: old man. And then she reveals.
Speaker 3: Fully from eighteen oh one. It's like he.
Speaker 2: Has like the craziest beard, these actually very kind of
Speaker 2: filson coated like oil tinned pants. And then it's like
Speaker 2: revealed that he snapped a kitten's neck in half, and
Speaker 2: they're like he was an angry man, but he was
Speaker 2: blown up in the factory five. So he got his.
Speaker 3: Because like the kitten was drinking milk, and they's.
Speaker 2: The depression, yes, the depression.
Speaker 1: They had no money for food, and that milk had
Speaker 1: to last the whole family for a week. So when
Speaker 1: that kitten started drinking the milk, well he snapped its
Speaker 1: next clean off. Well I never forgave him for that.
Speaker 1: I never did my grandmammy. But then he struck gold
Speaker 1: but lost it all, you know.
Speaker 2: So we were penniless again.
Speaker 3: And you're just like share are you even born?
Speaker 2: Which I also like really respect her for setting us
Speaker 2: in a place in time and doing kind of like
Speaker 2: a true epic memoir about this where she's just like, no, bitch,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you need to learn about Grandpappy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the Barber streis End thing where it's like,
Speaker 3: you don't tell share to edit her memoir. Now she
Speaker 3: says Part one will be four hundred pages and it's
Speaker 3: gonna stop in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: You're like, absolutely, absolutely, But even until the end of
Speaker 2: the book, when it's like so much has happened and
Speaker 2: there's still so much to tell, she's being like, so,
Speaker 2: I was in the Hollywood Hills with my friend Kate.
Speaker 2: We were at a Jupanese restaurant and we were getting
Speaker 2: an argument. I don't remember about what, but we were
Speaker 2: drinking a lot of socket. And then the next morning
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know, you could get a hangover
Speaker 2: from so much socket. You're kind of like, huh, so, Nolan.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna follow up with that one.
Speaker 2: And it's all leading up to this, like you.
Speaker 3: Know, the climax of the book. You get argument you
Speaker 3: don't really remember.
Speaker 2: And it sounds actually like the most like classic kind
Speaker 2: of empty Japanese place was free soake. No.
Speaker 3: I mean, we all know the two pm empty Japanese
Speaker 3: restaurant VI.
Speaker 2: But there's nothing better.
Speaker 3: There's nothing better than getting in a fight with your
Speaker 3: close friend and.
Speaker 2: You're like, you know what, bitch, this free house Saki
Speaker 2: is actually making me. Remember you said something seven months.
Speaker 3: Or something about like when the bill is fifty two
Speaker 3: five fifty two, it's just really and like make people
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically this is part one and it only
Speaker 2: goes till nineteen eighty, and you know we're in a
Speaker 2: big part one place Wicked has now been out for
Speaker 2: a month, yes, and two weeks, but like how a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff is like part one, Part one. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, but sure you deserve the part one because
Speaker 2: I also like that. It's like Barber stars and put
Speaker 2: out a nine hundred page book and it's like this
Speaker 2: was so long, but it was still feasible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no it was. And there are parts where it
Speaker 3: would really kind of get going and I would just
Speaker 3: be like, oh, I'm interested. There were parts when I
Speaker 3: was just like this feels daunting and I don't feel
Speaker 3: like I've really cracked it yet. The first like twenty
Speaker 3: five pages are funny because it's so casino, right, and
Speaker 3: then the first one hundred pages are like I'm glad
Speaker 3: I know this all about you childhood. But then I'm
Speaker 3: also just like, okay, okay, you got a bike for
Speaker 3: your sixth birthday?
Speaker 2: Right, because also you see like it coming You're like,
Speaker 2: we're at a hundred and we're a bike, Like when
Speaker 2: are we getting to you? And Greg Allman? Then you
Speaker 2: realize you're like, oh, we're not covering Moonstruck.
Speaker 3: And there's something about it because like she's not really
Speaker 3: that introspective, which I think sometimes I like in a
Speaker 3: book to not be like so like she doesn't seem
Speaker 3: so obsessed with herself. She we're just telling you what happened.
Speaker 3: But there is I would say an excessive amount of plot.
Speaker 2: Like it's really plot driven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a way that's almost like this already feels
Speaker 3: like it's nine seasons of a show about her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Which is it's funny that you say this
Speaker 2: book is so plot because okay, so I find like
Speaker 2: a lot of her earlier music is extremely plot driven,
Speaker 2: which also was the style of that time.
Speaker 3: Has that thing where she says she doesn't like it, No,
Speaker 3: what's weird about this book. She never talks about her
Speaker 3: music at all. Yeah, like so then I was recording
Speaker 3: my seventh album at this time. But then it's like
Speaker 3: just a passing sentence and then it's back to like
Speaker 3: tons of drama.
Speaker 2: With her and the lot she's afraid of flying. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would say the most she talks about music, let's
Speaker 2: just kind of get into the music covered in this book.
Speaker 3: Is she literally thinks gypsy tramps and thieves, Like it's
Speaker 3: like your text, ohold story, and it's like, girl, this
Speaker 3: book is story.
Speaker 2: It's like gypsy tramps and thee is like the most
Speaker 2: iconic song she's tramps and thieves.
Speaker 3: But I kin think like is the reason that she
Speaker 3: doesn't really express a lot of interest in row music
Speaker 3: is because she's just kind of this old school singer
Speaker 3: because she doesn't think of herself as an amazing singer.
Speaker 3: She's just like the.
Speaker 2: Things of herself as an enter Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so it's like she shows up to the studio
Speaker 3: their land on tracks, other people are writing the song.
Speaker 3: She's kind of like, Okay, what are we singing today, honey,
Speaker 3: and then she you.
Speaker 2: Know, try this. Well. The beginning of her music career
Speaker 2: though it's also has to do with the self esteem,
Speaker 2: and I think basically like the insanity of working for
Speaker 2: mister Philip Spect, who was a tyrant and a killer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's also like my hair twin.
Speaker 2: It is wig like heavier than yours.
Speaker 3: So it's just like left uncamped like that is.
Speaker 2: So childhood. It's blah blah blah. Her mom is married
Speaker 2: like nine thousand times and it's so iconic, and everyone
Speaker 2: is like a different sexier hairin annict to than the next.
Speaker 3: And she's always kind of been like rolling her eyes
Speaker 3: being there, oh, okay, mom, husband number four, and she's
Speaker 3: like kind of implying that her mom is like an
Speaker 3: absolute like sex and love addict.
Speaker 2: Her mom needs to go to love addicts synonymous.
Speaker 3: And then also saying like this is the time women
Speaker 3: had to get married. That was their retreat money baby,
Speaker 3: and she just always felt safer in a marriage, and
Speaker 3: so that's what she was going to do over and
Speaker 3: over again, even if it was to a man who
Speaker 3: was penniless. But of course she preferred married men.
Speaker 2: Who were rich. And she literally her mom literally marries
Speaker 2: Harper Collins, the Harper Colin.
Speaker 3: Oh that was crazy. His name was just like John
Speaker 3: Harper Percollins.
Speaker 2: But then the reason why they divorced is because he
Speaker 2: was two into old juice, Babe.
Speaker 3: I was insane, Like so my mama, No, she was
Speaker 3: still a good Southern girl and she wouldn't want to
Speaker 3: have a threesome.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna just yeah, let's find HarperCollins. Well you
Speaker 2: finally let me give a little background. So her mom
Speaker 2: also was brought to La by like her iconic Oklahoma daddy,
Speaker 2: because her mom moved to La to become a star.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and her mom was being like so Barbara Payton
Speaker 3: in this way yeah, and also kind of like like
Speaker 3: not so drug addict, but just going of like normal
Speaker 3: alcoholic and then in a nineteen forties way, she.
Speaker 2: Was Barbara Payne, but she was also I feel like
Speaker 2: they were pushing her to be kind of this like
Speaker 2: Shirley Temple like saloon girl. Like her grandfather would bring
Speaker 2: her mom to doc saloons and she'd be six years
Speaker 2: old being so Mason Ramsey singing. Everyone was being like,
Speaker 2: give that girl a penny.
Speaker 3: So then she marries I don't know if this is
Speaker 3: HarperCollins or a different rich guy, but like they moved
Speaker 3: to some huge house in LA and they have a walk.
Speaker 2: That's I think the HarperCollins guy.
Speaker 3: Thanks for him. I was sent to a fanci school
Speaker 3: next Steak, and for one glorious summer, Lobster became my
Speaker 3: favorite fool. Mom laughed a lot around him, who wore
Speaker 3: the most expensive of everything, and his home was decorated
Speaker 3: with impeccable taste. But Joe swung too far the other
Speaker 3: way from my mother too, because beneath the panache, he
Speaker 3: was a party animal who liked to drink and was
Speaker 3: too wild in the bedroom. When he told her that
Speaker 3: he wanted to be more experimental sexually and involve other women,
Speaker 3: Oh that was something naive Jackie Jean from Arkansas simply
Speaker 3: couldn't face. Shocked, she told him, you know, I love you, Joe,
Speaker 3: but I can't do that. They tried for a long
Speaker 3: time to work it out, as neither Joe or my
Speaker 3: mother wanted to face the end of their marriage, but
Speaker 3: the fantasy was over.
Speaker 2: I'm so obsessed that HarperCollins guy was just being like, babe,
Speaker 2: what about threesome tonight? And she's like, I can. I'm
Speaker 2: a lady from Markanson is like, but I don't want
Speaker 2: to divorce you and I love little sheer Lynne and
Speaker 2: they're like, the threesome tonight is non negotiable.
Speaker 3: She communicated about your conna about boundaries and.
Speaker 2: Needs because you're not getting your needs. Matt, Yes, I
Speaker 2: think it's kind of cool. He was being pretty honest,
Speaker 2: more honest than Sonny Bono. Later on in their marriage.
Speaker 3: Was actually cheating on her.
Speaker 2: With waitresses, vegas employees, production girls, assistance drivers, cashiers, makeup artists.
Speaker 3: He was running around on her in two times and
Speaker 3: there she.
Speaker 2: Was believe in him for every word. But so this
Speaker 2: is so fat, so he gave her Oh no, this
Speaker 2: was like a different husband. But there's a part where
Speaker 2: it's like her husband is about to cut off her
Speaker 2: credit cards. So she takes her daughters to like say,
Speaker 2: his Realbucking Co and she tells them to go shop
Speaker 2: and get everything they want. But like Shares being kind
Speaker 2: of like quote unquote like a tomboy because according to Share,
Speaker 2: I've always worn Favo ones, my grandma Wolfavo ones, my
Speaker 2: mother Wolfavo ones. It's boyish.
Speaker 3: She's skinny and let's just say it thin one.
Speaker 2: She invented being thin. But she can enter the hall
Speaker 2: of fame of her being kind of ugly and freaky
Speaker 2: and not accepted for her looks, for being tall and thin. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'll say this, her look truly wasn't accepted in
Speaker 2: the past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's kind of not lying, and she I like
Speaker 3: that she situates a little more historically because at one
Speaker 3: point she says, my look wasn't a thing yet, and
Speaker 3: like she was coming out of like the pin up
Speaker 3: era where it was all about.
Speaker 2: A net food cello Betty painege Marilyn Monroe. It's like
Speaker 2: big knockers and a push up bra, snatched waist, kind
Speaker 2: of fluffy but kind of a little more like just
Speaker 2: a rabbit stuff.
Speaker 3: And like she was obviously like you know, I think
Speaker 3: tweaky like made being thin more of a thing. But
Speaker 3: like she was at the same time as Twiggy, and
Speaker 3: she was kind of bringing up the American side of Thinness.
Speaker 2: Well. But this basically someone says to her, which I
Speaker 2: think is kind of what really kind of gets it
Speaker 2: down to looks. He's like, you can be brunette and
Speaker 2: blue eyes, you can be blonde with brown eyes. You
Speaker 2: can't be a brunette with brown eyes.
Speaker 3: You're too exousted yes, you're too Arminian, miss Cardassian.
Speaker 2: I know literally like she invented calabasas she invented like
Speaker 2: being Armenia in La. I mean she's also part choking.
Speaker 3: Half Breed, as she says that the title of her
Speaker 3: seven nineteen seventy two album.
Speaker 2: Which can I just take a sidebar again?
Speaker 3: This is her just not mention her music career at all.
Speaker 2: The half Breed album and the Gypsy Trumps and Thieves
Speaker 2: album are so insanely and fab and like seventies and
Speaker 2: like the use of bells and like it is so
Speaker 2: amazing and like literally like half Breed, like the sounds
Speaker 2: of clumping and trolloping and cantering, like the audio design
Speaker 2: is amazing and so much for early songs have this
Speaker 2: like amazing kind of Phil Specter sound where you really hear.
Speaker 3: The wall of the wall of sound, which he pioneered.
Speaker 2: Yes, was he a horrible man? Yeah? Did he murder? Sure?
Speaker 3: You know? I saw Ronnie Specter at City Winery when
Speaker 3: I was an Yeah wait, fab and she like couldn't
Speaker 3: sing her like the Ronette songs because of like a
Speaker 3: licensing issue, like because he used toll like own the
Speaker 3: rights even though he like murdered her or whatever.
Speaker 2: Wait, that's so this book.
Speaker 3: And like the whole show was her. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like drunk and talking shit on stage and just yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I feel it was a nasty man.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was iconic.
Speaker 2: Literally iconic. And it's like I feel like he probably
Speaker 2: was still alive when you saw her, because I think
Speaker 2: he like died two years ago. Yeah, And basically what
Speaker 2: he did is he invited a woman home to his
Speaker 2: big mansion. As Chare calls it, spooky Boots. He quotes
Speaker 2: of that spooky Boots and yeah, he shot it down.
Speaker 3: Wait, you're talking about the Phil Spectra story.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, that happened in like the eighties or
Speaker 2: early nineties, and it was such a like aspiring B
Speaker 2: list actress.
Speaker 3: Because when she first like mentions him. So they're at
Speaker 3: gold Star Studios, which is like Sonny Bono is working
Speaker 3: there as like an assistant producer, like helping make all
Speaker 3: these there's like a real factory or churning out like
Speaker 3: these girl groups and the Rawnettes are recording there, and
Speaker 3: she's like not totally trusting Sonny it. He wanted to
Speaker 3: prove to me that he was working. So it took
Speaker 3: me to meet Philip at his hotel off Sunset Boulevard,
Speaker 3: and I didn't much like what I saw. He might
Speaker 3: have been a demigogue to many, but he acted weird,
Speaker 3: and I didn't like how he stared at me, looking
Speaker 3: me up and down. He made a dumb ass common
Speaker 3: in French in front of his friend Vulechevicmir He said,
Speaker 3: smoking asking me to sleep with him without break, gonna sweat.
Speaker 3: I gave him a look back and replied, wean, you
Speaker 3: could have knocked them over with a feather's trademark.
Speaker 2: Dead pant. I mean, she is a comedian, and you
Speaker 2: really realized in this book. It's like it's kind of crazy,
Speaker 2: how like the modern gay symbolism of share is so
Speaker 2: like about believe and you know, if I can turn
Speaker 2: back time and her thong.
Speaker 3: Her nineties like gay era of her being like I'm
Speaker 3: a full drag queen now.
Speaker 2: Right when reality she started out much more as just
Speaker 2: like this cool dead pangianine grab flow.
Speaker 3: So insanely thin and glamorous like that there's no one like,
Speaker 3: there's no one like her because like you know, you
Speaker 3: had the gen versus, you had the Carol Burnetts.
Speaker 2: Carol Burnet. She was as a caravan Amazon off.
Speaker 3: Show and they like went on Carole Burnett' show and
Speaker 3: like that's like kind of how they got their start,
Speaker 3: and then they basically they filled in for.
Speaker 2: Her, right they filled in for her, and then everyone
Speaker 2: was like, wait, your guys, this dynamic is like so
Speaker 2: cool and you're dead pan and like he's silly.
Speaker 3: And it was like he was the silly straight man
Speaker 3: to her being like dead pan, and.
Speaker 2: They were kind of wause she was like, Sonny was
Speaker 2: the straight man. But then it's also like she was
Speaker 2: the straight man in this way because she's like so
Speaker 2: dead pan sarcastic. So basically he would be kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm the Doufest husband a little bit, and then she
Speaker 2: would eye roll and like make a joke about his mother.
Speaker 2: They were kind of modeled after my favorite couple of
Speaker 2: the fifties, Louis Prima and Killy Smith, because Louis Prima
Speaker 2: was like, you know, crazy and kookie and a singer,
Speaker 2: and Keilly Smith's look is kind of a precursor to
Speaker 2: Cher's look, Like it's these like dark brown eyes. She
Speaker 2: had this insanely straightened bob and then she would just
Speaker 2: eye roll to Louis Prima's silly jokes Louis Prima Voice
Speaker 2: of Blue if You.
Speaker 3: Because I feel like she references Lucy and Desi as
Speaker 3: being the real also that Curt, but of course Lucy
Speaker 3: wasn't doing glamour in the way that Share was because Share.
Speaker 3: The obsession with shopping starts very early in this book,
Speaker 3: and I love that through line. So she has this
Speaker 3: part where she talks about how to shop with a
Speaker 3: man and how it's easier. So she's with one of
Speaker 3: her stepdads who's one of the rich ones, and this
Speaker 3: is when they moved to New York City, and like
Speaker 3: she is having to kind of go to all these
Speaker 3: like cocktail parties in New York with the rich father
Speaker 3: and she's kind of like thirteen but like sexy and
Speaker 3: like basically the whole also like have this book is
Speaker 3: about her being like this, like underage sexual object to
Speaker 3: older men, and oh is lying about her age. Honey,
Speaker 3: they didn't really want to know the truth, and I
Speaker 3: didn't tell them.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the craziest part about this book
Speaker 2: is you realize she moves in with Sonny at age.
Speaker 3: She lies to him and tells him that she's seventeen,
Speaker 3: but she's actually sixteen and he's twenty.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven because she's like by the time she's eighteen,
Speaker 2: they're celebrating his birthday.
Speaker 3: With Warren Beatty when she's like.
Speaker 2: Before that at fourteen, the fourteen and she goes over
Speaker 2: and like swims at his house and obviously like, well,
Speaker 2: she loses her virginity to like someone else, which was
Speaker 2: like the big headline with this book that she like
Speaker 2: quote unquote like loaned it out to like this guy
Speaker 2: guy who.
Speaker 3: Was being annoying and she thought that he was kind
Speaker 3: of like acting too cool around his friends with her,
Speaker 3: so she fucked him and then dropped him to.
Speaker 2: Get back out of revenge sex.
Speaker 3: Revenge sex, we've all done it, okay, But so when
Speaker 3: she's living in New York, she is teaching you how
Speaker 3: to go shot me with a man to make sure
Speaker 3: we look presentable for the grown up soirees. Mama wanted
Speaker 3: us to buy dress your clothes better suited to our
Speaker 3: new lifestyle. She still tried to choose my outfits moment,
Speaker 3: and I stubbornly wasn't having it, so I'd ask Gilbert
Speaker 3: to take me shopping instead. With Gilbert I learned the
Speaker 3: art of shopping with a man. I just made him
Speaker 3: think everything was his idea. He take a seat, Let
Speaker 3: me pick the things I liked, going in and out
Speaker 3: of the dressing room and showing him one outfit after
Speaker 3: the other. Gilbert would simply give his opinion, asking what
Speaker 3: I preferred, and agreeing to my choices. He never questioned
Speaker 3: the process of the styles I picked. It was a
Speaker 3: wonderful feeling. This is genius. So basically the idea is
Speaker 3: you go with the man and you let him take
Speaker 3: part in the evaluation process. You give them a lot
Speaker 3: of options and then they're choosing and the real circus
Speaker 3: you like all the options.
Speaker 2: Listen to this, Ladies, make a man think it's his idea,
Speaker 2: then wrap him around your finger. Okay, you got.
Speaker 3: Him hooked for life. I've done this with my father
Speaker 3: and it does actually work.
Speaker 2: What do you think we're friends? Baby, I've done this
Speaker 2: with you many times. Cut to me at Dover Street
Speaker 2: Market being like, what do you think is this shirt?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: My god, your strict your baby.
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 2: So her style also like I know the flares were
Speaker 2: existing then, but like I feel like she and Sunny
Speaker 2: they fully like invented kind of like the boh dream
Speaker 2: Catcher flared style. So she sees these girls in La
Speaker 2: walking down the street. One day, I was walking down
Speaker 2: Sunset when I spoiled a beautiful blonde with her hair
Speaker 2: and long braids wearing the most amazing bell bottom pants
Speaker 2: that made me chase her down the street. I've never
Speaker 2: seen bells at the bottom of pants that huge. She
Speaker 2: told me they were called elephant bells. I was like, literally,
Speaker 2: we need to bring that back. A line called elephant
Speaker 2: bells and it's the biggest flares you've ever seen. Hers
Speaker 2: had big flowers all over them and were laced with
Speaker 2: raw hot. I asked to wear. She got them, and
Speaker 2: she told me my fronmysm and juicing herself as Colleen.
Speaker 2: She took me to her tannic cover hole the back
Speaker 2: of a drug cleaner on Sunset was she and a
Speaker 2: flame headed Irish girl named Bridget were creating pants and
Speaker 2: every color. And then her and Sonny move Colleen and
Speaker 2: Bridget into their house and like, Sonny buys a like
Speaker 2: industrial sewing machine and they just share designs the clothes,
Speaker 2: and then Bridget and Colleen are like sewing them, and
Speaker 2: then they're having this like amazingly flare factory.
Speaker 3: You just like find a girl in flares on the
Speaker 3: street and then you're like, you're moving in with me,
Speaker 3: and now you're part of my whole outfit factory. But
Speaker 3: you know, it was essential because the wordship was essential
Speaker 3: to their success.
Speaker 2: And then they go to London and like go on
Speaker 2: to shopping spree and like Carnaby Street, and then they
Speaker 2: come back where.
Speaker 3: Fashion was exploding in the sixties dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're being like, oh my god, London's crazy. Also,
Speaker 2: throughout her entire London trip, she was like, it was
Speaker 2: the most fun we ever had. The food was horrible
Speaker 2: that I mentioned that.
Speaker 3: I love that she keeps saying the food was bad,
Speaker 3: But I'm also like, sure you don't eat what the
Speaker 3: food was bad?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure. She was again like such
Speaker 2: a like big Carnabie Street table. There's like so many
Speaker 2: drinks and like weird plates, and she's like taking a
Speaker 2: sip of like beans, being so like this is probably
Speaker 2: what my memote.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all just like so much boiled meat.
Speaker 2: And they come back after their trip to London and
Speaker 2: realized they've gotten famous. But I mean, which is also
Speaker 2: kind of fun. I'm like, yes, you invented flares and
Speaker 2: like suede, but that was also like the style of
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: It was a perfect storm where there's a little bit
Speaker 3: of mythologism where she's just like, I was so excited
Speaker 3: by this style that people weren't ready for. But then
Speaker 3: the British invasion and the Beatles and Carnabie Street got
Speaker 3: people ready for these like more mad silhouettes of just
Speaker 3: like the tighter pants and the flaring and the wilder colors.
Speaker 3: But her like excitement about it was what drove her
Speaker 3: to like create these outfits and like incorporate them into
Speaker 3: their act, and like that was really you can't fake that.
Speaker 3: She wasn't following Trench.
Speaker 2: She was she was creating trends. And then the thing
Speaker 2: that they did create is making the hairstyles where it
Speaker 2: was like her hair was totally straightened, so she looked
Speaker 2: like Cleopatra and.
Speaker 3: He looked like Caesar. And so they started going by
Speaker 3: Caesar and Cleo, which didn't really hit, and then they
Speaker 3: went by Sonny and Shai.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I have a question for you. Do you
Speaker 2: find Sonny at this time?
Speaker 3: Yes, he's got the mustache she's got the mop top like,
Speaker 3: I'm into it to me.
Speaker 2: Without the mustache, Sonny is funky boots looking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but with the mustache like it really works to me.
Speaker 2: It kind of goes to show kind of the control
Speaker 2: a certain type of man can hold over a woman,
Speaker 2: a controlling man, where I'm like, damn sure, this guy
Speaker 2: ain't that hot.
Speaker 3: He's totally hot. He's got a hairy chest. I mean,
Speaker 3: the hair is insane, I will say.
Speaker 2: I mean he's like kind of like Muppet us.
Speaker 3: It's a little muppetty.
Speaker 2: Yes, so kind of in this time, I'm you know,
Speaker 2: they basically they record I Got You, Babe, and it
Speaker 2: goes like freaking wild.
Speaker 3: You know that She performed at my mother's high school,
Speaker 3: at Louisville Girls High School in solo or with Sonny.
Speaker 3: So this was like in sixties. This was during this
Speaker 3: time when they were like gigging it up everywhere constantly.
Speaker 2: And as someone says about Sonny, if you told him
Speaker 2: there was a gig down the street, he'd speed right there.
Speaker 3: No. It was like if you had to go to
Speaker 3: a gig in San Francisco, he'd stop in San Berndino
Speaker 3: on the way to do another gig, like he couldn't
Speaker 3: get enough. He was working into the bone. And it
Speaker 3: turns out why, well, they actually had two hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy thousand dollars in back taxes that they are the irs.
Speaker 2: So this is kind of a classic story, and like
Speaker 2: everyone like, listen up, this is what happens. It's like,
Speaker 2: you can have a hit single and do I Got
Speaker 2: You babe, and you know, record your hit comedic nightly
Speaker 2: program with hilarious skits. But if you don't pay those taxes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can get.
Speaker 3: Creative types just get really afraid of paperwork and business stuff.
Speaker 3: And I think that we have to remember to hire
Speaker 3: those accountants. Wait. I love when they're first dating. They're
Speaker 3: not actually dating. She's just like roommates.
Speaker 2: He thinks basically like she's funny, and he's like if
Speaker 2: you clean and cook, like you can just like live.
Speaker 3: Here because he's like, I'm not attracted to you, and she's like, honey,
Speaker 3: I'm not attracted to you. Like I'm sixteen, and they're
Speaker 3: living at this random apartment in Hollywood and he has
Speaker 3: like so many girlfriends and he's such a ladies man.
Speaker 3: And one of the girls who came to the apartment
Speaker 3: told me that she knew Sonny was cheating on her.
Speaker 3: That's just how he is. I suppose the news didn't
Speaker 3: supprime me well. Waiting for his divorce, Sonny started seeing
Speaker 3: several women, including one who claimed she was pregnant with
Speaker 3: his child, took us money for an abortion, along with
Speaker 3: two other men to whom she made the same claim,
Speaker 3: and flew to Hawaii together teeth fix instead. That chick
Speaker 3: was so smart she got a suntan and a teeth
Speaker 3: fixed all on their dime. I'm obsessed with tell you man,
Speaker 3: you're pregnant, then going to Hawaiian getting dental work portion money.
Speaker 2: A lot of this book is very like escaping to
Speaker 2: Hawaii in like a way that I feel like we
Speaker 2: can't anymore. No, although like later on she's with Greg
Speaker 2: Allman of the Almond Brothers, who has had a horrible
Speaker 2: heroin addiction, and they're like, let's just go to Hawaii
Speaker 2: to beat this thing out, babe, And like they're in Hawaii,
Speaker 2: but then they like can't even go to any restaurants
Speaker 2: because like men are getting like so mad at Greg
Speaker 2: Almon being like stopped taking like one of our women
Speaker 2: because they like think shares Hawaiian and they're like, stop
Speaker 2: dating our local beautiful Hawaiian women. And he's like, man,
Speaker 2: he's nodding off, and she's like, so from then on
Speaker 2: we just stuck to the beach. But I feel like
Speaker 2: everyone's been like we had to hut out.
Speaker 3: Wait, and you're saying, we can't do that go to
Speaker 3: Hawaiian anymore.
Speaker 2: I guess it's there's all these high rises and there's
Speaker 2: paparazzi in Hawaii. Now, okay, Share, I'm sure you could
Speaker 2: rent a huge villa and hide, but it's less of
Speaker 2: a like let's rent a like tiny little cabin and
Speaker 2: just like just hied away from it.
Speaker 3: All right. I mean, it's like when Kristin CAVALII, it
Speaker 3: was like sandals during the pandemic for like three months.
Speaker 2: We got the photos fast of her with the.
Speaker 3: Pigs, right, that's because she's posting them.
Speaker 2: Also, I want to talk about her and Sonny's divorce.
Speaker 3: Wait, but we actually didn't even talk about the vest thing,
Speaker 3: and I just want to get that quickly. Let's in
Speaker 3: terms of her fashion, there's this whole period in her
Speaker 3: life where she's basically seen fashion on the street and
Speaker 3: like running after it. One day, we were driving down
Speaker 3: Los Cienaga Boulevard when I spotted an amazing bobcat for
Speaker 3: vest blowing in the breeze outside a sandal store owned
Speaker 3: by an Armenian leather worker named Andrew Macochian. Whoa, so,
Speaker 3: I shrieked, stop back up? What he cried wondering was wrong?
Speaker 3: Look at that? Oh Sunny, I just have to have it.
Speaker 3: He parked the car, we ran in and I tried
Speaker 3: on the vest. It was too big for me, so
Speaker 3: I made Sunny trod on. He bought it a wore
Speaker 3: for years until he made the mistake of loaning it
Speaker 3: to Jerry Wexler for a costume party. The two already
Speaker 3: had bad blood, and after the party, Jerry said it
Speaker 3: was still that.
Speaker 2: Bard is so in. Let's break it down first. One,
Speaker 2: I set this audio to you when I was on
Speaker 2: the plane and I was leaving LA and I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: that is so me in a car like passing by
Speaker 2: a store being like wait is that a bowling shirt?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Turn around right now?
Speaker 3: Whoa?
Speaker 2: Son? Let's all just say this. She got babe from
Speaker 2: her her mother. Okay, so she started calling Sonny babe.
Speaker 2: He started calling her babe. They started saying babe, which
Speaker 2: created I think a California way of speaking. I think
Speaker 2: they and like, yes, her mom was calling her babe.
Speaker 2: I think in a little more like hey, babe, like
Speaker 2: kind of Southern. I think she invented literally babe, babe, babe,
Speaker 2: Kristen Kim, Kate Boe, Wurney, Luren Jessee Like, Yes, she
Speaker 2: created flares, Yes, she created teas hair. Yes, she created
Speaker 2: wearing like a song in a music video.
Speaker 3: Yes, she literally invented being thin with straightened hair, with
Speaker 3: straightened hair and like not having tits.
Speaker 2: Also wearing like kind of wide like boyfriend jeans with
Speaker 2: a little top. Yeah, little white jeans, little top for
Speaker 2: the white like jeans.
Speaker 3: But she also invented babe babe. What's funny because she's
Speaker 3: not a valley girl. She doesn't have like a vocal fry.
Speaker 2: No, I mean where Cher gets her amazing way of speaking?
Speaker 3: Is it just Armenian ness?
Speaker 2: Is it Kim's Armenian?
Speaker 3: She certainly doesn't. It's funny. You know, She's part of
Speaker 3: a long line of women with husky voices that become
Speaker 3: like sex symbols, like Demi Moore.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about Demi so much book because it's
Speaker 2: like Demi really kind of has her look the long
Speaker 2: straightened black hair, thin hot, like kind of like Col Rocker.
Speaker 3: You know, there's something almost like proto feminist about it,
Speaker 3: of like a woman with a deeper voice being a
Speaker 3: sex symbol, because I do feel like today's sex symbol
Speaker 3: women are so kim who like I talk like this.
Speaker 2: Baby always well baby, this was happening on the sexual revolutions,
Speaker 2: would stock baby.
Speaker 3: Would she like wasn't participating because Shenao lot drugs, but.
Speaker 2: She did love kind of back to the music, but
Speaker 2: all like when they started and it was so girl group.
Speaker 2: I think she really loved like Hendrix and Janis Joplin,
Speaker 2: but like she didn't like drugs and like Sonny was
Speaker 2: so kind of like Sicilian and just like cigar coded
Speaker 2: and drinks that they stayed away from it. She saw
Speaker 2: all her stepfathers be addicted to dope.
Speaker 3: You know. So there's this actually quite interesting part where
Speaker 3: later on she's like, we kind of miscalculated. So there's
Speaker 3: basically kind of like two eras of Sonny and Share.
Speaker 3: There's first them starting out as a music duo. That's
Speaker 3: when I Got You Babe comes out. This is in
Speaker 3: the sixties, and then there's all this political change happening,
Speaker 3: and she's kind of like acknowledging that it's going down.
Speaker 3: And obviously people are being super anti at the Vietnam War.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of drug use, and there's this counterculture
Speaker 3: revolution happening, and they're like, wait, we suddenly became like
Speaker 3: more conservative. So she's talking about Alan Ginsburg Timothy Leary,
Speaker 3: the Harvard psychologists who recommended these psychoedelic drugs for mind expansion.
Speaker 3: He became famous for his turn on tune in drop
Speaker 3: out message with I thought was dumb. I never took
Speaker 3: drugs and the idea of taking acid didn't turn me on.
Speaker 3: So while everyone else was tripping playing acid rock a
Speaker 3: machin in the streets to protest the Vietnam War, Sonny
Speaker 3: and I with a straight square couple who sang middle
Speaker 3: of the road songs, didn't engage in drug culture. And
Speaker 3: now in the era of free love, we became uncool
Speaker 3: for being married.
Speaker 2: Well, and they were like getting into this also very
Speaker 2: like TV couple vibe. So she was like liking that
Speaker 2: music and like didn't believe in the Vietnam War. But
Speaker 2: she wasn't gonna be so like merching the streets. I
Speaker 2: think also because Sonny was like, no, we need to
Speaker 2: market ourselves as like a kooky, sexy couple on TV
Speaker 2: that like everyone loves, yeah for like America.
Speaker 3: I think he had like, yeah, a slightly more anachronistic
Speaker 3: idea of like what would be a like popular Middle
Speaker 3: America couple like product because their music was a little
Speaker 3: bit more folk rock, and it was like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess that's also what like Janice Joplin was doing,
Speaker 3: but I just feel like it was a little bit
Speaker 3: more like retro if you listen to hipp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you listen to her like sixties records,
Speaker 2: they're a little more like girl group. And then her
Speaker 2: number one single is actually kind of more famous by
Speaker 2: Nancy Sinatra, which is Bang Bang my Barbis shot mood Down,
Speaker 2: which it's actually a little sound Yeah, it's a little
Speaker 2: more kill Bill new war Manson's Sunsets story very western,
Speaker 2: like their vibe I think was a little bit more
Speaker 2: about being like Hollywood and less like.
Speaker 3: By gay scary, really scary.
Speaker 2: But then they do this huge MLK concert and Chaer
Speaker 2: was really like proud that they were like part of
Speaker 2: this MLK.
Speaker 3: She's consciously realizing they need to recalibrate because they're kind
Speaker 3: of losing their edge at this moment when everyone's being
Speaker 3: hippy dippy, and when she sees Jimmy Hendrix at that
Speaker 3: like benefit for RFK, after he like dies and then
Speaker 3: like he's like, you got.
Speaker 2: Any stuff and she's like, what stuff, babe, And she's
Speaker 2: like a slowly realized he was talking about drugs, okay.
Speaker 2: And then there's this amazing scene when her and Sonny
Speaker 2: go to Salvador Dolly's house. Oh, and she's like, we
Speaker 2: walked in with a crew, and we realized we had
Speaker 2: walked in just at the end of an orgy, and
Speaker 2: she's kind of embarrassed that Sonny Bono and their other
Speaker 2: friend are acting so like silly, Like I feel like
Speaker 2: they're being kind of these guys that are like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna like laugh to cover up that they're
Speaker 2: feeling awkward about the orgy, and I feel like cher
Speaker 2: was kind of a little more interested in like what
Speaker 2: was going on. And then Salvador Dali, like who sounds
Speaker 2: honestly so fucking annoying, invites them to this big dinner and.
Speaker 3: Then leaves after five minutes and it's like we have
Speaker 3: a previous engagement and goes to sit at.
Speaker 2: A table like two tables over right, which is so
Speaker 2: like surrealist of him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've talked about surrealism. I do think
Speaker 3: it's annoying.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we have a full up
Speaker 2: on Dolly and him being annoying, and it's like elephants
Speaker 2: coming out of a head.
Speaker 3: But she's also she's also being like, oh, I feel
Speaker 3: like such a Squaresville because they're all being such like.
Speaker 2: No, That's what I'm saying, Like, I feel like she
Speaker 2: would have kind of rolled harder with Dolly, but felt
Speaker 2: like she was with Bono and was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: kind of have to like roll with my guys.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, though, she literally doesn't like drugs,
Speaker 3: and she is not a New York person, like she
Speaker 3: is an LA person and she is being.
Speaker 2: Like La sober.
Speaker 3: She is like La sober, and so they're being so
Speaker 3: like New York glitterroddy where drugs.
Speaker 2: Drugs were rather permits. And ultimately she's a house not
Speaker 2: so she's big house. And throughout this book, she's they're
Speaker 2: buying so many different houses, and she's always wanting so
Speaker 2: many different houses. She's always been like fun of Loo,
Speaker 2: we had the house in the hills, but then she
Speaker 2: was being like, oh, Sunny, I'll stay with you if
Speaker 2: you like give me this house in Malanto.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she keeps meeting bigger houses until they're having that
Speaker 3: house with like separate masters that they're living in with
Speaker 3: their fake marriage when they're.
Speaker 2: But all the while, also why she's like kind of
Speaker 2: afraid of being more counter called her too, is she's
Speaker 2: like completely under his control and he slowly in the
Speaker 2: relationship does not let her literally see movies alone.
Speaker 3: All of Britney conservatorship, where like.
Speaker 2: She can maybe go shopping with one friend, but he'll
Speaker 2: like be very or Kelly and like be like you
Speaker 2: have to be back in the thirty five in a
Speaker 2: minute guy.
Speaker 3: To follow her. And like when they're in Vegas and
Speaker 3: like one of the band guys like sees her in
Speaker 3: the casino alone, he's like so scared because he knows
Speaker 3: he's gonna get in trouble. That share is like not
Speaker 3: with Sonny and is like out of the dressing room.
Speaker 2: And then this turning point comes where like she's like
Speaker 2: wakes up and hears voices in one of their big
Speaker 2: houses mm hmm and whispers, and she basically sees them
Speaker 2: hooking up yeah with his assistant.
Speaker 3: And like the check is then like leaving and she's
Speaker 3: being like what the fuck.
Speaker 2: And he's been like, oh, I'm so sorry. So then
Speaker 2: she's like, okay, two can play this game. Cut to
Speaker 2: them in Vegas. They also go this range of kind
Speaker 2: of like in your Sinatra were at this point also
Speaker 2: in the sixties, like you could kind of, I think,
Speaker 2: go a few routes of like Hendricks or like Vegas
Speaker 2: was starting, so it's like the Elvis and the Sinatras
Speaker 2: and you could like get a Vegas show and be
Speaker 2: a little more like fab and just like have a
Speaker 2: steady check.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But and this comes back to her like that's
Speaker 3: where she think fits more naturally politically. She was like, yes,
Speaker 3: I liked McGovern and not Nixon, and like my mom
Speaker 3: was so Nixon with her yard sign. But like she's like, yes,
Speaker 3: I supported RFK. I thought he was what we Bobby,
Speaker 3: Like I thought we needed Bobby. But she's like ultimately
Speaker 3: like I'm not being so.
Speaker 2: Like she's not in the streets on the streets, sobbing
Speaker 2: but she's not a preppy. Yeah, I mean, she's definitely
Speaker 2: more of a hippie, and Sonny does support mc governance.
Speaker 2: She goes to her mom's house when the mom does
Speaker 2: put Nixon signs in the yard, and she's being a
Speaker 2: little more like woke office girl that comes home from
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and takes the signs out of the yard.
Speaker 3: She's absolutely we office girl and Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Less fully protests every day getting arrested like in a beret.
Speaker 3: But ultimately their Vegas act and their whole TV show,
Speaker 3: which we'll get into on part two of part one
Speaker 3: of Share, is like it is way more old school,
Speaker 3: like borshed belt hilarious.
Speaker 2: Like jokes about in law send marriages jokes, and.
Speaker 3: Like she's ribbon him on his height and he's ribven
Speaker 3: her for being so damn thin.
Speaker 2: Also, age was totally different then, so like Sonny was
Speaker 2: at this time like thirty three, and to be thirty
Speaker 2: three in nineteen sixty five is basically like being fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, age was so different then, because like the whole time,
Speaker 3: she's still just like twenty two, which is like forty
Speaker 3: for a woman.
Speaker 2: Right, and she's already like left Philip Specter, she's like
Speaker 2: I Got You Babe has come out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also when people were in their thirties, they
Speaker 3: looked one hundred because nobody drank water bag.
Speaker 2: So they are being a little more like Vegas, less
Speaker 2: like protest. Yeah, though of course classic all sixties like
Speaker 2: they are absolutely like sobbing when JFK dies in a
Speaker 2: way that just.
Speaker 3: Like all were, we all were, you know, the world
Speaker 3: as we knew it changed. I remember when the nuns
Speaker 3: wheeled in the television.
Speaker 2: Every Bird's and we got under our desks and I
Speaker 2: came home early that day and Daddy lit up his
Speaker 2: cigar and he says, I'm going to bed early. I've
Speaker 2: never seen Daddy go to bed early. Tunny's controlling, basically, guys,
Speaker 2: is the tea?
Speaker 3: Yeah the tea? Is he super controlling.
Speaker 2: Let's just say the beginning of their divorce starts in
Speaker 2: Vegas when she sleeps with one of their band members.
Speaker 3: Well, but she doesn't actually sleep with him.
Speaker 2: Then well, she kisses him and then they sleep together.
Speaker 3: No, but not until after they leave Vegas, remember.
Speaker 2: Oh, and then they have the conversation She's like, I
Speaker 2: want to sleep a bill and I want a house
Speaker 2: in Malibu.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then He's like, how long do you need
Speaker 3: and she goes two hours and then she goes, but
Speaker 3: she actually just talks to Bill and cries about how
Speaker 3: sad her marriage is and how controlling he is and
Speaker 3: how hard. Yeah, but then she does sleep with Bill
Speaker 3: in Malibu two weeks later.
Speaker 2: What's really sad is when they do kiss in Vegas.
Speaker 2: She's like, that's what I imagine as a teen kissing
Speaker 2: to be like Sonny didn't kiss, which is so sixties.
Speaker 3: That revelation's crazy that Sonny didn't like kissing.
Speaker 2: And she like had it, have like a kiss for
Speaker 2: years and she just like made out for the first time.
Speaker 3: That's so crazy. It's cool that she's still young then,
Speaker 3: so it's like.
Speaker 2: It doesn't it's not too sad. She's like twenty three
Speaker 2: Actually fuck turn mac segments.
Speaker 3: How does she live? What does she eat? Not mad?
Speaker 3: Not much, honey, because she's so busy like being a diva.
Speaker 3: But what does modern chare eat?
Speaker 2: No, I think we should share for this book share
Speaker 2: and then next episode will two part.
Speaker 3: So this is what a share eat in the sixties.
Speaker 2: And throughout this book which goes to nineteen eighties. So
Speaker 2: here's what I'm saying, I think it's sixties share eats
Speaker 2: like Spagodian meatball's midbust Sonny, and it's so like little
Speaker 2: apartment one pot.
Speaker 3: Portion sizes were so much smaller than.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's making kind of like a cartoon
Speaker 2: Lady in the Tramp spaginning meatballs for them.
Speaker 3: Do you think that he's making like three really big meatballs.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, for some reason, the money is sicilian. I
Speaker 2: kind of think he's being a little prego sauce and
Speaker 2: actually like not being so like his home.
Speaker 3: Sure him like chopping onions.
Speaker 2: I think he's chopping onions to a bottled sauce. What
Speaker 2: people do it?
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, the sixties was so like canned everything. Yes,
Speaker 3: Like my mom was like I never said until she
Speaker 3: was like forty, and they're.
Speaker 2: Being so like we were struggling out as honey, like
Speaker 2: we ate dinner on a cardboard.
Speaker 3: Box and he's making prey go and she can't even
Speaker 3: conceive like how to even do prego. She's like somehow
Speaker 3: burning the prey go.
Speaker 2: And then they would go to another Italian restaurant if
Speaker 2: they ever went out, because he would never let them
Speaker 2: like eat out because he was so like scary and
Speaker 2: controlling and was like no man can see he was
Speaker 2: so controlled. And then it would be like garlic bread,
Speaker 2: wine pasta doll of fifty and it.
Speaker 3: Was like a dollar seventy five with a glass of wine.
Speaker 2: I feel like by the end of the book, she's
Speaker 2: doing like sushi and Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so she hadn't been invented yet in the sixties.
Speaker 3: She's doing obviously outfits. She's wearing flairs, she's wearing bests,
Speaker 3: she's wearing Bob Mackie. Yeah, it's a lifelong relationship with
Speaker 3: Bob Mackie.
Speaker 2: And its sequins. It's like also all about flares that
Speaker 2: she is having her girlfriends cut in like different sweded
Speaker 2: liners in so it's like oil tin swede patches as
Speaker 2: like a raver would do with like fleece and wide legs,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like they're cutting up flaars,
Speaker 2: adding extra frating.
Speaker 3: A panel of fabric to make the flair like complete.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And whether it's beat the Bell, Paisley, your stripes,
Speaker 2: or you know, fur, definitely. She makes a big point
Speaker 2: about how like in the sixties she was swayed in
Speaker 2: fur and how like now she's really anti fur because
Speaker 2: she gets so Lupita baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that reminds me her writing smile obviously if you've
Speaker 3: seen her Twitter, and she reveals in this book she's
Speaker 3: like dyslexic and has learning disability and had a lot
Speaker 3: of trouble reading as a child, and it was actually
Speaker 3: Sunny who first like gave her the confidence to like
Speaker 3: fully read a book for pleasure, which she still does
Speaker 3: and loves to this day.
Speaker 2: There's a picture in this book of her reading a
Speaker 2: book in bed with Sunny.
Speaker 3: But for a long time she was like bad at
Speaker 3: school and like teachers told her that she wasn't applying herself.
Speaker 3: But it makes me curious because she wrote this, she
Speaker 3: wrote this question mark because like, obviously this book is
Speaker 3: not the style of like how she writes. If you've
Speaker 3: seen her Twitter, which is like so kookie and so
Speaker 3: stream up consciousness, I'm like much more like just like
Speaker 3: kind of raw poetry. Yeah, I mean, are we thinking
Speaker 3: it's the classic thing where she had like many zoom
Speaker 3: calls with the ghostwriter and they basically like wrote it.
Speaker 2: Well. She reveals that her favorite movie is, of course
Speaker 2: my favorite movie Auntie Mame, and she's seen it a
Speaker 2: million times. And the way Auntie Mame writes her book
Speaker 2: In Auntie Mame is she walks around the room as
Speaker 2: a nerdy typist, just types a mile a minute, and
Speaker 2: she is being so share, being like, darling, my puberty
Speaker 2: was bleak in Buffalo, and then like the nerdy woman
Speaker 2: is being like, wow, you really lived. Yeah, Agnes is
Speaker 2: the character, so I think she it was tons of
Speaker 2: zoom calls and then I think someone was coming over
Speaker 2: and shares walking around, She's been like full dictation. Baby,
Speaker 2: I was so mad at Sonny in the spring of
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one I could hardly eat.
Speaker 3: That does make sense why the sort of structure of
Speaker 3: the book is so like just deep till logical, where
Speaker 3: it's just like time, because you can imagine the team
Speaker 3: being like, okay, share now nineteen sixty one, this song
Speaker 3: came out like you did this, and they're giving her
Speaker 3: some of the time poles. She's like, oh, right, right, well,
Speaker 3: let me tell you this story, right.
Speaker 2: And they're being like, so in nineteen seventy one, you
Speaker 2: and Greg all men like were on and off, and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, baby, we visited his mama in Macon.
Speaker 2: There were these two women. I think her name was
Speaker 2: Diana t Well. She had a barbecue stand. She's one
Speaker 2: of those people that I think of travel and the
Speaker 2: food is important. She will try the barbecue. I don't
Speaker 2: think she's ordering barbecue at home. But like if she
Speaker 2: goes to the South and someone makes her like an
Speaker 2: amazing blade of like chicken and beans and corn bread,
Speaker 2: she's eating it.
Speaker 3: She's not finishing the plate though.
Speaker 2: She's tasting each bite. No, oh my god, No, she's
Speaker 2: not licking it clean.
Speaker 3: Now, as Ruth Raschel said, a few bites will do.
Speaker 2: She's tossing her hair, being like baby cudding this recipe.
Speaker 2: I want to make it for chess.
Speaker 3: Okay, how does she live? Here's the real question. So
Speaker 3: she I feel like she's sot and there's been eras
Speaker 3: of share.
Speaker 2: So there's so many eras because at one point, when
Speaker 2: she's with Greg Goleman, her bedroom burns down and she
Speaker 2: sees it as actually a miracle because she's like, then
Speaker 2: I was able to import all this Bali wood and
Speaker 2: I made a modern Bolanese bedroom that was so like,
Speaker 2: this is my Bolanese tiki.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then she had her Egyptian phase, and then she
Speaker 2: had her like probably louis the fourteenth phase.
Speaker 3: So she basically is like died in the world Buddha
Speaker 3: and has ben Buddha forever, and she's like different iterations
Speaker 3: of Buddha throughout history and like what that would have
Speaker 3: meant for women throughout.
Speaker 2: History right the sixties when Buddha was just being created.
Speaker 2: Its being more DreamCatcher.
Speaker 3: I love the part with the brass bed where she
Speaker 3: was like, I felt so good when me and Sonny
Speaker 3: polished that brass bed because those other girlfriends would never
Speaker 3: have sat and polish to bed.
Speaker 2: That part was insane, where she's like, we discovered it
Speaker 2: was brass, so we got a Brothertle pads out and
Speaker 2: it's like basically she's saying she's a tomboy and like
Speaker 2: she is a guys girl and is down to school.
Speaker 3: I'm not just some girl who's gonna sit around like
Speaker 3: online shopping on Prime Day.
Speaker 2: I am and like current sunny, I think, really love
Speaker 2: to decorate together. And it's like, actually this very I
Speaker 2: think tos a couple things where she's like when we
Speaker 2: were good, we were good, and we would go to
Speaker 2: a small town and we would antique.
Speaker 3: And we would like we shop for the table and
Speaker 3: like shop for bulls together, making like kind of like
Speaker 3: a Japanese screen window shutter.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, that was crazy. They have like blinds.
Speaker 3: He's like busted Venetians.
Speaker 2: Busted Venetians, and he goes and buys like a beautiful
Speaker 2: woven Japanese tapestry and then cuts it and sews it
Speaker 2: to each part of the Venetian blind. I was like,
Speaker 2: literally genius, what can't they do?
Speaker 3: I know, but I also feel like it probably looked
Speaker 3: like a liv I think it may look like a
Speaker 3: little dork like it was maybe looking like a little
Speaker 3: bit wonky sima.
Speaker 2: It probably wasn't perfect, but I mean, she just kind.
Speaker 3: Of made me think of do you remember when in
Speaker 3: my first apartment in New York I had that dresser
Speaker 3: I made out of cardboard? Oh no, you weren't living
Speaker 3: in New York then, but on Tenth Street. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I had like used boxes and I like fit them together.
Speaker 3: I like meet slits and like constructed a dresser out
Speaker 3: of cardboard.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was a little bit like that.
Speaker 3: It wasn't looking like a cool like you know, Donald
Speaker 3: ud It doesn't.
Speaker 2: Sound Donald Judge. It also made me think of just
Speaker 2: like me in college, like going to the store in
Speaker 2: Chinatown and buying a huge Chinese fan and that's.
Speaker 3: More you being like gay guy with AIDS and like having.
Speaker 2: A bird which is also so share which is also
Speaker 2: so I'm saying, like I like her style, is that
Speaker 2: because she's so like, yeah, she is like silk robe
Speaker 2: and and she starts to kind of, you know, say,
Speaker 2: like I love gay guys and like AIDS was happening
Speaker 2: a little bit, but we'll get into that.
Speaker 3: And part two, Part one she fully dates David Geffer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the sucks was amazing, babe, crazy. Okay, we
Speaker 2: haven't got to chas you guys. That's why we're coming
Speaker 2: back next week with part two. So part one, Who
Speaker 2: are you in the book? Right now? I'm a person
Speaker 2: who read five hundred bages of chair.
Speaker 3: No, you know who you are. You know you're Josita,
Speaker 3: the German maid who's really bad at her job. And
Speaker 3: they were like, she was the worst maid ever, darling.
Speaker 3: She couldn't find her ass with two hands.
Speaker 2: But they're like, Bob, we loved her.
Speaker 3: And then she like moves into some apartment that one
Speaker 3: of her stepdad's reads for her with Josie to the
Speaker 3: maid and they're just like being cookie and like burning
Speaker 3: the curtains.
Speaker 2: I know what it's like. I would so become like
Speaker 2: roommates with my clients and daughter, and I'm just being like, babe,
Speaker 2: let's go to the club. Babe, let's go to the club.
Speaker 2: You are, oh you hit Papa being like, come and
Speaker 2: play this saloon. I'll play piano, you sing, We're gonna
Speaker 2: make five cents each.
Speaker 3: This Arkansas like alcoholic minor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, who moves to La to be like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make my daughter a star.
Speaker 3: I mean, what I want to be is the girl
Speaker 3: who's like saying she needs an abortion money and then
Speaker 3: using that money to get done to work in Hawaii.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if I have that gumption in
Speaker 3: that moxie. I haven't scammed enough men.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're not that. I mean you could also be
Speaker 2: so like SHARE's best friend who's like being her chica
Speaker 2: in Vegas. But then it's like, oh, girl, I need
Speaker 2: to keep my job. So I'm actually gonna stop talking
Speaker 2: to you because like, Sonny has hired so many mafiosos,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about all the capo bosses in part
Speaker 2: part two.
Speaker 3: I give this, but.
Speaker 2: Definitely like it's hard to give the rating now, I
Speaker 2: don't wanna.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll wait till man, let's wait. We'll wait till
Speaker 3: next week together, Radin, stay tuned for part two.
Speaker 2: Now You're on the end of your seat.
Speaker 3: Art one a share of the memoir.
Speaker 2: Share Baby Baby bestst.
Speaker 3: This episode was produced by one of the best in
Speaker 3: the Bears all the Masters, a Master of Production and
Speaker 3: my Heart Baby, I Love You.
Speaker 2: The supervising producer was our Boos Defar. We were married
Speaker 2: for nine and a half years. I got pregnant, but
Speaker 2: then I left him because I fell back in love
Speaker 2: with my first husband. This episode was executive produced by
Speaker 2: my old galpal, Christina Effett. We used to run Vegas Baby.
Speaker 3: A sound engineer who pioneer the use of the wall
Speaker 3: of sound that you've heard and all the best girl
Speaker 3: groups in nineteen fifty nine. In nineteen seventy three, is
Speaker 3: Behe Rais He rested me.
Speaker 2: The music, of course, was a little proteg man Stephen
Speaker 2: pull Host, the young homosexual man that I met on
Speaker 2: at at Whiskey of Go Go. But his songs are
Speaker 2: pretty cool, so he did the third remix for Believe
Speaker 2: I heard the club once and I said, Okay, babe,
Speaker 2: I should do a theme song for this.
Speaker 3: Originally the game, This pollcast in Las Vegas, Nevada with
Speaker 3: Prolab Project. We were under contract for four years at
Speaker 3: the Venetian Basement. Not a lot of people go in there.
Speaker 1: Very dank, very dirty. They wouldn't let us leave, but
Speaker 1: we were locked up. But we ultimately found a way
Speaker 1: to part ways and set our assets evenly. And I
Speaker 1: wish them the best. They run that town with an iron.
Speaker 3: Fits and I wouldn't have an as.
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