WEBVTT - "Cher" Part 1 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:01.600 Slevety book Club. 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:06.960 Hey, baby, this is just a PSA. Today's huge episode. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:07.920 It's about Share. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.520 Baby, it's a big fat episode and her memoir is 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.240 a real heavy one. So guess what, baby, we're breaking 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.000 it up into two parts. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.280 Look, preser it gets two episodes. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.120 I sure as he'll do too, So please enjoy this. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.079 But now that there is one more big fat episode 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.080 on Share to come next week. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:41.960 Yeah, so settle in and buckle up. Slay book Club, Cherylyn. 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.440 If you walk out of that door, you're never coming back. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:46.559 Mama. I love Sonny. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.880 I don't care that man's not good for you. He's 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.680 much older and Sicilian. I don't trust him. He's not 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:52.640 as rich as you are. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:57.200 Pretty Share Please, babe, we're Armenian. Who cares if he's Sicilian? 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.400 And he treats me right better than I don't know? 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:05.119 Husband won two, three, four, five, five again six, Babe. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.120 Chroylynne, all those man I did for you, I found 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:10.640 husbands that would provide for us. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.360 Mama, Babe, I just wanna sing. And Sonny's promised me 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.559 that he says he's gonna introduce me to Philip Spector. Mama, 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.880 where's my swede? Vest? You bought me at the sears. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.560 Last month, Chrolyn, I wore that swayed vest to a 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.759 cocktail party with my other submin wives and they all said, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.880 that's a vest for a mature lady, not a young girl. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.880 You're just fourteen, little Chrilyn. You can't be going off 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.720 in living with a Sicilian man. And let me tell 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.560 you something about that phil Spector. He's never gonna give 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.160 you the time of day. No, no, no, you're not 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:39.759 the Ronettes. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.720 Oh you're beautiful, You're beautiful, my cup. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:46.400 But you can't sing, MoMA. I'm just trying to do 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.480 what you wanted to do, which was sing, babe, do 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:56.160 up if I could turn my chime. I'm sorry, Chlene. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:57.640 I know I heard you. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:02.240 Ollu Walner move in with Sonny, babe, and I'm gonna 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.080 make so much money singing with that Philip Specter. I'm 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.280 gonna buy you and dea house. I'm gonna come back here. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.040 You mock my words, Mama, babe. I'm gonna come back 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.240 here with a big old check and a big old 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.000 red Cadillac, and I'm gonna have a paper bag of 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.160 money and I'm gonna jump it on the bed and 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.400 We're gonna live hard class. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.680 But don't you say I didn't warn you when it 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:31.720 all falls to. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:33.640 Mama. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.119 No, you can go through the window. That's more dramatic. 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.760 I'm so thin, but it's not in style yet. I 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.280 can justly loose window. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.119 Oh, get your skinny little lass out of here. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.280 My ass is gonna fat when I come back. I'm 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:50.799 all this ciling and cooking. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.880 Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends, 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.840 you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and you've got books 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.600 the bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books, 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.240 it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoirs Martini. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.120 Celebrity puff Club to read it while it's hot. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.280 Celebrity puff Club, I tell your secrets. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.320 We won't talk celebrity books. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:24.519 No, boys are a loud cleto say it loud and 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.639 pound celebty poop club. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.240 Buzz me in. I brought the queer feel. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.200 Hey, best friends, her best friend? 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.200 Hi, best friend. How you doing, babe? 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:35.880 How you doing baby? 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.920 It's a sunny day at CBS lot. 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:40.680 Happen, New Year, Babe. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:46.000 Happen New Year Babe. We're recording live from Real Loss 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:47.560 from Vegas. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.800 Where there's a heara underneath the tropic canna in the 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:51.600 launder room. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.080 Okay, you guys, let's get straight freaking into it. Because 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.000 the book we read was. 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:02.840 Long, Mama, it was long just getting started. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.760 Yeah, it's like we're gonna have to do like five 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.040 other epps about this book and the second part we 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:16.760 are talking about today. None, No, the the Mother, of 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.120 course we're talking about. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.080 She's one of the ones, literally the ones. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:20.880 There's only a few. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.640 Yes, she's right up there with God and Madonna. Of course, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.320 we're talking about Share and. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.719 Her book, Share the Memoir Part one. 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:37.560 He it's a heavy book. You read this book and 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.160 you're just like, on page one hundred, she's still age four. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.160 But yet she's already moved in with Sonny. And then 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.360 it's like your page let's say seventy five, and you're 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.240 reading it and you're like, are we still on her 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:55.039 great grandmother's childhood or her grandmother's child. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.520 She's very not a single detail and it ends in 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.120 just like nineteen eighty and you're just like, oh, so 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.680 she hasn't even like done any of her big movies or. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.919 Like, well, that's kind of actually, I would say the 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:07.760 point of this book. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.960 Yeah, it is to say this was her first act. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.520 This was her first act. This book is about her 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:14.960 great grandmother's childhood. 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:15.479 Yeah. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:19.760 This book is about the South. It is about about 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.000 the West. It's about the wild West. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.320 About America and mythology. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:30.400 Okay, it's about moving to California with a goddamn dream 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.160 and the men who keep you from it. Yeah, but 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.680 also the men who bring you to California. Yeah, and 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.200 say you've got something about you, but then take it 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:41.800 off from you. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.000 It's just like every week there's a man going you 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.880 got something, kid, for like the first fourteen years of 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:48.440 her life. 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.880 If I may just situate you kind of in the 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.240 past for a second, just so you know where you're 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.920 just like, what the hell are you talking about? With 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.520 like all of her great grandparents. You turn to a 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.240 page and you're like, oh, this is like a tree 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.640 book about the mines. Isaac blew up stumps for the 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.440 railroad for a living, and that day he lit too 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:10.920 close on the dynamite fuse. He was blown sky high 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:15.120 in the explosion. Widowed and penniless, Margaret struggled the feet 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.800 her family when she lost the small farm she could 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.280 only afford to keep the two youngest boys send the 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:24.280 rest to relatives. They didn't know Skinny, shine, tiny, and 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:25.320 you're like, wait, what. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.560 You said that this book is They call a schoolers 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.520 sketch about the past, and it literally is like you 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.600 had another selection from the first fifty pages of the book. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.880 While in Reno, there was a local beauty pageant. Linda 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.200 urged Mom to enter, even though neither thought she could 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.680 actually win. I'm being southern now. Mom was amazed when 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.559 she crowned the model Miss. She won a cash prize 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.560 and her picture was in the paper for days. In 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.160 one photograph, she was winking at someone in the audience, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.039 and when I asked who that was, she said it 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.360 was my grandmother. My grandmother was even more excited when 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.360 she spotted Ernest prim millionaire, who was a regular in 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.880 the Gardena club in La where Linda was his favorite waitress. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.480 Ernie was a middle aged bald in Texan with the 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.880 property and pilot included Rito's Pallet Club, Casino and the 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.720 Prima Donna Club. It was a match made in heaven, 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.320 my grandmother's greed and his money. Linda was eager to 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.960 introduce a single daughter to the man she called the 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:20.680 big bass. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.480 Everyone is like a roven singer in like an old 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.120 saloon that's taken on a child, but then like a 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.640 dog goes missing, so they had to shoot their first son. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.520 There's a photo in here of her grandparents, and her 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:43.320 grandfather looks like the scariest like hating of like an 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.760 old man. And then she reveals. 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.320 Fully from eighteen oh one. It's like he. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.480 Has like the craziest beard, these actually very kind of 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:56.000 filson coated like oil tinned pants. And then it's like 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.720 revealed that he snapped a kitten's neck in half, and 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.960 they're like he was an angry man, but he was 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.120 blown up in the factory five. So he got his. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.760 Because like the kitten was drinking milk, and they's. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:10.920 The depression, yes, the depression. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.760 They had no money for food, and that milk had 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.920 to last the whole family for a week. So when 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.360 that kitten started drinking the milk, well he snapped its 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.960 next clean off. Well I never forgave him for that. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.440 I never did my grandmammy. But then he struck gold 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.120 but lost it all, you know. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.160 So we were penniless again. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.559 And you're just like share are you even born? 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.920 Which I also like really respect her for setting us 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.000 in a place in time and doing kind of like 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:42.040 a true epic memoir about this where she's just like, no, bitch, 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.960 I'm sure you need to learn about Grandpappy. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.440 Yeah, it's the Barber streis End thing where it's like, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.280 you don't tell share to edit her memoir. Now she 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.720 says Part one will be four hundred pages and it's 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:56.760 gonna stop in nineteen eighty. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.360 You're like, absolutely, absolutely, But even until the end of 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.679 the book, when it's like so much has happened and 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.760 there's still so much to tell, she's being like, so, 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.160 I was in the Hollywood Hills with my friend Kate. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:13.079 We were at a Jupanese restaurant and we were getting 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.640 an argument. I don't remember about what, but we were 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.920 drinking a lot of socket. And then the next morning 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.559 I said, I don't know, you could get a hangover 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.960 from so much socket. You're kind of like, huh, so, Nolan. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:25.280 You're not gonna follow up with that one. 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.920 And it's all leading up to this, like you. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.439 Know, the climax of the book. You get argument you 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:31.599 don't really remember. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.520 And it sounds actually like the most like classic kind 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.080 of empty Japanese place was free soake. No. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.319 I mean, we all know the two pm empty Japanese 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:43.079 restaurant VI. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:44.640 But there's nothing better. 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.040 There's nothing better than getting in a fight with your 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.600 close friend and. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:53.360 You're like, you know what, bitch, this free house Saki 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.079 is actually making me. Remember you said something seven months. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.680 Or something about like when the bill is fifty two 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:05.960 five fifty two, it's just really and like make people 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:06.600 be honest. 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.040 Yeah, So basically this is part one and it only 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.040 goes till nineteen eighty, and you know we're in a 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.480 big part one place Wicked has now been out for 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.200 a month, yes, and two weeks, but like how a 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.480 lot of stuff is like part one, Part one. I'm 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.360 just like, but sure you deserve the part one because 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.000 I also like that. It's like Barber stars and put 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.680 out a nine hundred page book and it's like this 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.719 was so long, but it was still feasible. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.480 Yeah, no it was. And there are parts where it 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.319 would really kind of get going and I would just 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.360 be like, oh, I'm interested. There were parts when I 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.480 was just like this feels daunting and I don't feel 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.000 like I've really cracked it yet. The first like twenty 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.559 five pages are funny because it's so casino, right, and 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.360 then the first one hundred pages are like I'm glad 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.040 I know this all about you childhood. But then I'm 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.080 also just like, okay, okay, you got a bike for 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:55.319 your sixth birthday? 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.400 Right, because also you see like it coming You're like, 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.960 we're at a hundred and we're a bike, Like when 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.360 are we getting to you? And Greg Allman? Then you 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.880 realize you're like, oh, we're not covering Moonstruck. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.200 And there's something about it because like she's not really 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.680 that introspective, which I think sometimes I like in a 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:18.120 book to not be like so like she doesn't seem 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.840 so obsessed with herself. She we're just telling you what happened. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.720 But there is I would say an excessive amount of plot. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.080 Like it's really plot driven. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.400 Yeah, in a way that's almost like this already feels 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.600 like it's nine seasons of a show about her. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.720 Yeah, okay, Which is it's funny that you say this 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.760 book is so plot because okay, so I find like 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.520 a lot of her earlier music is extremely plot driven, 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.480 which also was the style of that time. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.200 Has that thing where she says she doesn't like it, No, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.120 what's weird about this book. She never talks about her 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.120 music at all. Yeah, like so then I was recording 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.440 my seventh album at this time. But then it's like 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.720 just a passing sentence and then it's back to like 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:57.559 tons of drama. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:03.679 With her and the lot she's afraid of flying. I mean, 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.000 I would say the most she talks about music, let's 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.920 just kind of get into the music covered in this book. 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:13.000 Is she literally thinks gypsy tramps and thieves, Like it's 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.960 like your text, ohold story, and it's like, girl, this 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:15.720 book is story. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.920 It's like gypsy tramps and thee is like the most 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.360 iconic song she's tramps and thieves. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.560 But I kin think like is the reason that she 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.679 doesn't really express a lot of interest in row music 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.120 is because she's just kind of this old school singer 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.720 because she doesn't think of herself as an amazing singer. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:32.360 She's just like the. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.880 Things of herself as an enter Yeah. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.120 And so it's like she shows up to the studio 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.280 their land on tracks, other people are writing the song. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.920 She's kind of like, Okay, what are we singing today, honey, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:43.679 and then she you. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.400 Know, try this. Well. The beginning of her music career 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.320 though it's also has to do with the self esteem, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.120 and I think basically like the insanity of working for 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.880 mister Philip Spect, who was a tyrant and a killer. 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.520 Yeah, who's also like my hair twin. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:01.880 It is wig like heavier than yours. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.480 So it's just like left uncamped like that is. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:10.560 So childhood. It's blah blah blah. Her mom is married 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.560 like nine thousand times and it's so iconic, and everyone 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.480 is like a different sexier hairin annict to than the next. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.000 And she's always kind of been like rolling her eyes 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.280 being there, oh, okay, mom, husband number four, and she's 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.200 like kind of implying that her mom is like an 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.320 absolute like sex and love addict. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.960 Her mom needs to go to love addicts synonymous. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.000 And then also saying like this is the time women 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.040 had to get married. That was their retreat money baby, 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.480 and she just always felt safer in a marriage, and 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.400 so that's what she was going to do over and 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.839 over again, even if it was to a man who 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.000 was penniless. But of course she preferred married men. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.880 Who were rich. And she literally her mom literally marries 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.480 Harper Collins, the Harper Colin. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.440 Oh that was crazy. His name was just like John 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:55.559 Harper Percollins. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.880 But then the reason why they divorced is because he 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.400 was two into old juice, Babe. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.880 I was insane, Like so my mama, No, she was 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.920 still a good Southern girl and she wouldn't want to 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:08.720 have a threesome. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.960 And I'm gonna just yeah, let's find HarperCollins. Well you 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.480 finally let me give a little background. So her mom 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:20.040 also was brought to La by like her iconic Oklahoma daddy, 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.920 because her mom moved to La to become a star. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.920 Yeah, and her mom was being like so Barbara Payton 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.000 in this way yeah, and also kind of like like 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.840 not so drug addict, but just going of like normal 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.160 alcoholic and then in a nineteen forties way, she. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:35.760 Was Barbara Payne, but she was also I feel like 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.920 they were pushing her to be kind of this like 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:43.320 Shirley Temple like saloon girl. Like her grandfather would bring 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.880 her mom to doc saloons and she'd be six years 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.160 old being so Mason Ramsey singing. Everyone was being like, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:54.360 give that girl a penny. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.000 So then she marries I don't know if this is 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.200 HarperCollins or a different rich guy, but like they moved 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.240 to some huge house in LA and they have a walk. 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.120 That's I think the HarperCollins guy. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.440 Thanks for him. I was sent to a fanci school 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.840 next Steak, and for one glorious summer, Lobster became my 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.520 favorite fool. Mom laughed a lot around him, who wore 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.680 the most expensive of everything, and his home was decorated 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.400 with impeccable taste. But Joe swung too far the other 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.040 way from my mother too, because beneath the panache, he 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.400 was a party animal who liked to drink and was 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.960 too wild in the bedroom. When he told her that 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:34.200 he wanted to be more experimental sexually and involve other women, 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.920 Oh that was something naive Jackie Jean from Arkansas simply 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.880 couldn't face. Shocked, she told him, you know, I love you, Joe, 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.920 but I can't do that. They tried for a long 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.280 time to work it out, as neither Joe or my 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.760 mother wanted to face the end of their marriage, but 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.520 the fantasy was over. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.920 I'm so obsessed that HarperCollins guy was just being like, babe, 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.680 what about threesome tonight? And she's like, I can. I'm 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.160 a lady from Markanson is like, but I don't want 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.480 to divorce you and I love little sheer Lynne and 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.280 they're like, the threesome tonight is non negotiable. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.880 She communicated about your conna about boundaries and. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:16.600 Needs because you're not getting your needs. Matt, Yes, I 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.800 think it's kind of cool. He was being pretty honest, 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:24.680 more honest than Sonny Bono. Later on in their marriage. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:25.960 Was actually cheating on her. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:37.040 With waitresses, vegas employees, production girls, assistance drivers, cashiers, makeup artists. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.480 He was running around on her in two times and 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:40.080 there she. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:45.800 Was believe in him for every word. But so this 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.640 is so fat, so he gave her Oh no, this 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.440 was like a different husband. But there's a part where 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.640 it's like her husband is about to cut off her 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.520 credit cards. So she takes her daughters to like say, 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.240 his Realbucking Co and she tells them to go shop 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.240 and get everything they want. But like Shares being kind 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.400 of like quote unquote like a tomboy because according to Share, 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.520 I've always worn Favo ones, my grandma Wolfavo ones, my 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.400 mother Wolfavo ones. It's boyish. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.440 She's skinny and let's just say it thin one. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.600 She invented being thin. But she can enter the hall 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.920 of fame of her being kind of ugly and freaky 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.639 and not accepted for her looks, for being tall and thin. Yeah, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.239 but I'll say this, her look truly wasn't accepted in 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:30.200 the past. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.199 Yeah, she's kind of not lying, and she I like 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.520 that she situates a little more historically because at one 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.080 point she says, my look wasn't a thing yet, and 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:39.960 like she was coming out of like the pin up 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.520 era where it was all about. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:47.800 A net food cello Betty painege Marilyn Monroe. It's like 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:52.520 big knockers and a push up bra, snatched waist, kind 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.719 of fluffy but kind of a little more like just 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:56.720 a rabbit stuff. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.400 And like she was obviously like you know, I think 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.359 tweaky like made being thin more of a thing. But 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.479 like she was at the same time as Twiggy, and 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.200 she was kind of bringing up the American side of Thinness. 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.320 Well. But this basically someone says to her, which I 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.520 think is kind of what really kind of gets it 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.520 down to looks. He's like, you can be brunette and 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.199 blue eyes, you can be blonde with brown eyes. You 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.679 can't be a brunette with brown eyes. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.680 You're too exousted yes, you're too Arminian, miss Cardassian. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.639 I know literally like she invented calabasas she invented like 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.920 being Armenia in La. I mean she's also part choking. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.399 Half Breed, as she says that the title of her 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.000 seven nineteen seventy two album. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.359 Which can I just take a sidebar again? 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.920 This is her just not mention her music career at all. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.399 The half Breed album and the Gypsy Trumps and Thieves 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:48.520 album are so insanely and fab and like seventies and 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.639 like the use of bells and like it is so 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.640 amazing and like literally like half Breed, like the sounds 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:59.040 of clumping and trolloping and cantering, like the audio design 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.639 is amazing and so much for early songs have this 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.600 like amazing kind of Phil Specter sound where you really hear. 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.680 The wall of the wall of sound, which he pioneered. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.960 Yes, was he a horrible man? Yeah? Did he murder? Sure? 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.720 You know? I saw Ronnie Specter at City Winery when 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.800 I was an Yeah wait, fab and she like couldn't 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.119 sing her like the Ronette songs because of like a 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.960 licensing issue, like because he used toll like own the 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:27.639 rights even though he like murdered her or whatever. 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:30.960 Wait, that's so this book. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.359 And like the whole show was her. It's kind of 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.680 like drunk and talking shit on stage and just yeah, 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:38.840 I mean I feel it was a nasty man. 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:39.639 Wow. 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.800 Yeah, it was iconic. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.440 Literally iconic. And it's like I feel like he probably 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.040 was still alive when you saw her, because I think 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:51.040 he like died two years ago. Yeah, And basically what 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.600 he did is he invited a woman home to his 0:19:54.800 --> 0:20:00.600 big mansion. As Chare calls it, spooky Boots. He quotes 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:05.320 of that spooky Boots and yeah, he shot it down. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.560