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Speaker 1: Slevety book Club.

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Speaker 2: Hey, baby, this is just a PSA. Today's huge episode.

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Speaker 2: It's about Share.

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Speaker 3: Baby, it's a big fat episode and her memoir is

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Speaker 3: a real heavy one. So guess what, baby, we're breaking

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Speaker 3: it up into two parts.

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Speaker 2: Look, preser it gets two episodes.

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Speaker 3: I sure as he'll do too, So please enjoy this.

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Speaker 3: But now that there is one more big fat episode

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Speaker 3: on Share to come next week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so settle in and buckle up. Slay book Club, Cherylyn.

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Speaker 3: If you walk out of that door, you're never coming back.

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Speaker 2: Mama. I love Sonny.

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Speaker 1: I don't care that man's not good for you. He's

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Speaker 1: much older and Sicilian. I don't trust him. He's not

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Speaker 1: as rich as you are.

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Speaker 2: Pretty Share Please, babe, we're Armenian. Who cares if he's Sicilian?

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Speaker 2: And he treats me right better than I don't know?

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Speaker 2: Husband won two, three, four, five, five again six, Babe.

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Speaker 1: Chroylynne, all those man I did for you, I found

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Speaker 1: husbands that would provide for us.

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Speaker 2: Mama, Babe, I just wanna sing. And Sonny's promised me

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Speaker 2: that he says he's gonna introduce me to Philip Spector. Mama,

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Speaker 2: where's my swede? Vest? You bought me at the sears.

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Speaker 1: Last month, Chrolyn, I wore that swayed vest to a

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Speaker 1: cocktail party with my other submin wives and they all said,

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Speaker 1: that's a vest for a mature lady, not a young girl.

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Speaker 1: You're just fourteen, little Chrilyn. You can't be going off

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Speaker 1: in living with a Sicilian man. And let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something about that phil Spector. He's never gonna give

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Speaker 1: you the time of day. No, no, no, you're not

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Speaker 1: the Ronettes.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're beautiful, You're beautiful, my cup.

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Speaker 2: But you can't sing, MoMA. I'm just trying to do

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Speaker 2: what you wanted to do, which was sing, babe, do

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Speaker 2: up if I could turn my chime. I'm sorry, Chlene.

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Speaker 3: I know I heard you.

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Speaker 2: Ollu Walner move in with Sonny, babe, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: make so much money singing with that Philip Specter. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna buy you and dea house. I'm gonna come back here.

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Speaker 2: You mock my words, Mama, babe. I'm gonna come back

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Speaker 2: here with a big old check and a big old

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Speaker 2: red Cadillac, and I'm gonna have a paper bag of

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Speaker 2: money and I'm gonna jump it on the bed and

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Speaker 2: We're gonna live hard class.

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Speaker 3: But don't you say I didn't warn you when it

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Speaker 3: all falls to.

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Speaker 2: Mama.

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Speaker 3: No, you can go through the window. That's more dramatic.

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Speaker 2: I'm so thin, but it's not in style yet. I

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Speaker 2: can justly loose window.

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Speaker 3: Oh, get your skinny little lass out of here.

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Speaker 2: My ass is gonna fat when I come back. I'm

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Speaker 2: all this ciling and cooking.

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Speaker 3: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,

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Speaker 3: you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and you've got books

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Speaker 3: the bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,

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Speaker 3: it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoirs Martini.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity puff Club to read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity puff Club, I tell your secrets.

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Speaker 2: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 1: No, boys are a loud cleto say it loud and

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Speaker 1: pound celebty poop club.

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Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer feel.

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Speaker 3: Hey, best friends, her best friend?

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Speaker 2: Hi, best friend. How you doing, babe?

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Speaker 3: How you doing baby?

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Speaker 2: It's a sunny day at CBS lot.

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Speaker 3: Happen, New Year, Babe.

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Speaker 2: Happen New Year Babe. We're recording live from Real Loss

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Speaker 2: from Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Where there's a heara underneath the tropic canna in the

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Speaker 3: launder room.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you guys, let's get straight freaking into it. Because

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Speaker 2: the book we read was.

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Speaker 3: Long, Mama, it was long just getting started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like we're gonna have to do like five

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Speaker 2: other epps about this book and the second part we

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Speaker 2: are talking about today. None, No, the the Mother, of

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Speaker 2: course we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: She's one of the ones, literally the ones.

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Speaker 2: There's only a few.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she's right up there with God and Madonna. Of course,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about Share and.

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Speaker 2: Her book, Share the Memoir Part one.

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Speaker 3: He it's a heavy book. You read this book and

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Speaker 3: you're just like, on page one hundred, she's still age four.

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Speaker 2: But yet she's already moved in with Sonny. And then

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Speaker 2: it's like your page let's say seventy five, and you're

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Speaker 2: reading it and you're like, are we still on her

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Speaker 2: great grandmother's childhood or her grandmother's child.

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Speaker 3: She's very not a single detail and it ends in

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Speaker 3: just like nineteen eighty and you're just like, oh, so

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Speaker 3: she hasn't even like done any of her big movies or.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, that's kind of actually, I would say the

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Speaker 2: point of this book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is to say this was her first act.

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Speaker 2: This was her first act. This book is about her

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Speaker 2: great grandmother's childhood.

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Speaker 2: This book is about the South. It is about about

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Speaker 3: About America and mythology.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's about moving to California with a goddamn dream

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Speaker 2: and the men who keep you from it. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: also the men who bring you to California. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: say you've got something about you, but then take it

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Speaker 3: It's just like every week there's a man going you

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Speaker 3: got something, kid, for like the first fourteen years of

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Speaker 2: If I may just situate you kind of in the

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Speaker 2: just like, what the hell are you talking about? With

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Speaker 2: like all of her great grandparents. You turn to a

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Speaker 2: page and you're like, oh, this is like a tree

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Speaker 2: book about the mines. Isaac blew up stumps for the

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Speaker 2: close on the dynamite fuse. He was blown sky high

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Speaker 2: in the explosion. Widowed and penniless, Margaret struggled the feet

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Speaker 2: her family when she lost the small farm she could

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Speaker 3: You said that this book is They call a schoolers

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Speaker 3: sketch about the past, and it literally is like you

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Speaker 3: While in Reno, there was a local beauty pageant. Linda

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Speaker 3: was my grandmother. My grandmother was even more excited when

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Speaker 3: she spotted Ernest prim millionaire, who was a regular in

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Speaker 3: the Gardena club in La where Linda was his favorite waitress.

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Speaker 3: Ernie was a middle aged bald in Texan with the

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Speaker 3: property and pilot included Rito's Pallet Club, Casino and the

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Speaker 3: Prima Donna Club. It was a match made in heaven,

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Speaker 3: my grandmother's greed and his money. Linda was eager to

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Speaker 2: Everyone is like a roven singer in like an old

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Speaker 2: saloon that's taken on a child, but then like a

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Speaker 2: There's a photo in here of her grandparents, and her

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Speaker 2: Has like the craziest beard, these actually very kind of

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Speaker 2: filson coated like oil tinned pants. And then it's like

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Speaker 2: revealed that he snapped a kitten's neck in half, and

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Speaker 2: blown up in the factory five. So he got his.

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Speaker 3: Because like the kitten was drinking milk, and they's.

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Speaker 2: The depression, yes, the depression.

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Speaker 1: They had no money for food, and that milk had

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Speaker 1: next clean off. Well I never forgave him for that.

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Speaker 1: I never did my grandmammy. But then he struck gold

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Speaker 1: but lost it all, you know.

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Speaker 2: So we were penniless again.

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Speaker 3: And you're just like share are you even born?

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Speaker 2: Which I also like really respect her for setting us

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you need to learn about Grandpappy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the Barber streis End thing where it's like,

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Speaker 3: you don't tell share to edit her memoir. Now she

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Speaker 3: says Part one will be four hundred pages and it's

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Speaker 2: You're like, absolutely, absolutely, But even until the end of

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Speaker 2: there's still so much to tell, she's being like, so,

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Speaker 2: I was in the Hollywood Hills with my friend Kate.

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Speaker 2: We were at a Jupanese restaurant and we were getting

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Speaker 2: an argument. I don't remember about what, but we were

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Speaker 2: drinking a lot of socket. And then the next morning

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Speaker 2: I said, I don't know, you could get a hangover

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Speaker 2: from so much socket. You're kind of like, huh, so, Nolan.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna follow up with that one.

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Speaker 2: And it's all leading up to this, like you.

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Speaker 3: Know, the climax of the book. You get argument you

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Speaker 2: And it sounds actually like the most like classic kind

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Speaker 2: of empty Japanese place was free soake. No.

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Speaker 2: But there's nothing better.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing better than getting in a fight with your

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Speaker 2: You're like, you know what, bitch, this free house Saki

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Speaker 2: is actually making me. Remember you said something seven months.

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Speaker 3: Or something about like when the bill is fifty two

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Speaker 3: five fifty two, it's just really and like make people

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Speaker 3: be honest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So basically this is part one and it only

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Speaker 2: goes till nineteen eighty, and you know we're in a

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Speaker 2: big part one place Wicked has now been out for

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Speaker 2: a month, yes, and two weeks, but like how a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff is like part one, Part one. I'm

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Speaker 2: I also like that. It's like Barber stars and put

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Speaker 2: out a nine hundred page book and it's like this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no it was. And there are parts where it

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Speaker 3: would really kind of get going and I would just

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Speaker 3: be like, oh, I'm interested. There were parts when I

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Speaker 3: like I've really cracked it yet. The first like twenty

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Speaker 3: five pages are funny because it's so casino, right, and

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Speaker 3: then the first one hundred pages are like I'm glad

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Speaker 3: I know this all about you childhood. But then I'm

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Speaker 3: also just like, okay, okay, you got a bike for

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Speaker 3: your sixth birthday?

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Speaker 2: Right, because also you see like it coming You're like,

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Speaker 2: we're at a hundred and we're a bike, Like when

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Speaker 3: So then she marries I don't know if this is

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Speaker 3: Thanks for him. I was sent to a fanci school

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Speaker 3: She's skinny and let's just say it thin one.

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Speaker 2: She invented being thin. But she can enter the hall

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Speaker 2: but I'll say this, her look truly wasn't accepted in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's kind of not lying, and she I like

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Speaker 2: Well. But this basically someone says to her, which I

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Speaker 3: You're too exousted yes, you're too Arminian, miss Cardassian.

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Speaker 2: I know literally like she invented calabasas she invented like

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Speaker 3: This is her just not mention her music career at all.

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Speaker 3: You know? I saw Ronnie Specter at City Winery when

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Speaker 3: And like the whole show was her. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Literally iconic. And it's like I feel like he probably

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Speaker 2: Dead pant. I mean, she is a comedian, and you

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Speaker 3: Her nineties like gay era of her being like I'm

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Speaker 2: Right when reality she started out much more as just

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Speaker 2: Carol Burnet. She was as a caravan Amazon off.

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Speaker 2: Her, right they filled in for her, and then everyone

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00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: was like, wait, your guys, this dynamic is like so

439
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 2: cool and you're dead pan and like he's silly.

440
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: And it was like he was the silly straight man

441
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: to her being like dead pan, and.

442
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 2: They were kind of wause she was like, Sonny was

443
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: the straight man. But then it's also like she was

444
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: the straight man in this way because she's like so

445
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: dead pan sarcastic. So basically he would be kind of like, oh,

446
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: I'm the Doufest husband a little bit, and then she

447
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: would eye roll and like make a joke about his mother.

448
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: They were kind of modeled after my favorite couple of

449
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: the fifties, Louis Prima and Killy Smith, because Louis Prima

450
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 2: was like, you know, crazy and kookie and a singer,

451
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: and Keilly Smith's look is kind of a precursor to

452
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: Cher's look, Like it's these like dark brown eyes. She

453
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: had this insanely straightened bob and then she would just

454
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: eye roll to Louis Prima's silly jokes Louis Prima Voice

455
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: of Blue if You.

456
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: Because I feel like she references Lucy and Desi as

457
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: being the real also that Curt, but of course Lucy

458
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: wasn't doing glamour in the way that Share was because Share.

459
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: The obsession with shopping starts very early in this book,

460
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 3: and I love that through line. So she has this

461
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 3: part where she talks about how to shop with a

462
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: man and how it's easier. So she's with one of

463
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: her stepdads who's one of the rich ones, and this

464
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: is when they moved to New York City, and like

465
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: she is having to kind of go to all these

466
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 3: like cocktail parties in New York with the rich father

467
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: and she's kind of like thirteen but like sexy and

468
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: like basically the whole also like have this book is

469
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: about her being like this, like underage sexual object to

470
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 3: older men, and oh is lying about her age. Honey,

471
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 3: they didn't really want to know the truth, and I

472
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: didn't tell them.

473
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the craziest part about this book

474
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 2: is you realize she moves in with Sonny at age.

475
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 3: She lies to him and tells him that she's seventeen,

476
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: but she's actually sixteen and he's twenty.

477
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 2: Twenty seven because she's like by the time she's eighteen,

478
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 2: they're celebrating his birthday.

479
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: With Warren Beatty when she's like.

480
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: Before that at fourteen, the fourteen and she goes over

481
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: and like swims at his house and obviously like, well,

482
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: she loses her virginity to like someone else, which was

483
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: like the big headline with this book that she like

484
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: quote unquote like loaned it out to like this guy

485
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: guy who.

486
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 3: Was being annoying and she thought that he was kind

487
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 3: of like acting too cool around his friends with her,

488
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: so she fucked him and then dropped him to.

489
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: Get back out of revenge sex.

490
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 3: Revenge sex, we've all done it, okay, But so when

491
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: she's living in New York, she is teaching you how

492
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 3: to go shot me with a man to make sure

493
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 3: we look presentable for the grown up soirees. Mama wanted

494
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 3: us to buy dress your clothes better suited to our

495
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: new lifestyle. She still tried to choose my outfits moment,

496
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: and I stubbornly wasn't having it, so I'd ask Gilbert

497
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: to take me shopping instead. With Gilbert I learned the

498
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: art of shopping with a man. I just made him

499
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 3: think everything was his idea. He take a seat, Let

500
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: me pick the things I liked, going in and out

501
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: of the dressing room and showing him one outfit after

502
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: the other. Gilbert would simply give his opinion, asking what

503
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: I preferred, and agreeing to my choices. He never questioned

504
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: the process of the styles I picked. It was a

505
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,239
Speaker 3: wonderful feeling. This is genius. So basically the idea is

506
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 3: you go with the man and you let him take

507
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: part in the evaluation process. You give them a lot

508
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: of options and then they're choosing and the real circus

509
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 3: you like all the options.

510
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: Listen to this, Ladies, make a man think it's his idea,

511
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: then wrap him around your finger. Okay, you got.

512
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 3: Him hooked for life. I've done this with my father

513
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: and it does actually work.

514
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: What do you think we're friends? Baby, I've done this

515
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: with you many times. Cut to me at Dover Street

516
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: Market being like, what do you think is this shirt?

517
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 3: Oh?

518
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: My god, your strict your baby.

519
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: Again?

520
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: So her style also like I know the flares were

521
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: existing then, but like I feel like she and Sunny

522
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: they fully like invented kind of like the boh dream

523
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: Catcher flared style. So she sees these girls in La

524
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: walking down the street. One day, I was walking down

525
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: Sunset when I spoiled a beautiful blonde with her hair

526
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 2: and long braids wearing the most amazing bell bottom pants

527
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: that made me chase her down the street. I've never

528
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: seen bells at the bottom of pants that huge. She

529
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: told me they were called elephant bells. I was like, literally,

530
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: we need to bring that back. A line called elephant

531
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: bells and it's the biggest flares you've ever seen. Hers

532
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: had big flowers all over them and were laced with

533
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: raw hot. I asked to wear. She got them, and

534
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: she told me my fronmysm and juicing herself as Colleen.

535
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 2: She took me to her tannic cover hole the back

536
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 2: of a drug cleaner on Sunset was she and a

537
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: flame headed Irish girl named Bridget were creating pants and

538
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: every color. And then her and Sonny move Colleen and

539
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: Bridget into their house and like, Sonny buys a like

540
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: industrial sewing machine and they just share designs the clothes,

541
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: and then Bridget and Colleen are like sewing them, and

542
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: then they're having this like amazingly flare factory.

543
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 3: You just like find a girl in flares on the

544
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: street and then you're like, you're moving in with me,

545
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: and now you're part of my whole outfit factory. But

546
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 3: you know, it was essential because the wordship was essential

547
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 3: to their success.

548
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: And then they go to London and like go on

549
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: to shopping spree and like Carnaby Street, and then they

550
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: come back where.

551
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: Fashion was exploding in the sixties dollars.

552
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're being like, oh my god, London's crazy. Also,

553
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: throughout her entire London trip, she was like, it was

554
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: the most fun we ever had. The food was horrible

555
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: that I mentioned that.

556
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 3: I love that she keeps saying the food was bad,

557
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: But I'm also like, sure you don't eat what the

558
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: food was bad?

559
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure. She was again like such

560
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: a like big Carnabie Street table. There's like so many

561
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: drinks and like weird plates, and she's like taking a

562
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: sip of like beans, being so like this is probably

563
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: what my memote.

564
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all just like so much boiled meat.

565
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 2: And they come back after their trip to London and

566
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: realized they've gotten famous. But I mean, which is also

567
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: kind of fun. I'm like, yes, you invented flares and

568
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: like suede, but that was also like the style of

569
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: the time.

570
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: It was a perfect storm where there's a little bit

571
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: of mythologism where she's just like, I was so excited

572
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: by this style that people weren't ready for. But then

573
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: the British invasion and the Beatles and Carnabie Street got

574
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: people ready for these like more mad silhouettes of just

575
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: like the tighter pants and the flaring and the wilder colors.

576
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: But her like excitement about it was what drove her

577
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: to like create these outfits and like incorporate them into

578
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: their act, and like that was really you can't fake that.

579
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: She wasn't following Trench.

580
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: She was she was creating trends. And then the thing

581
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: that they did create is making the hairstyles where it

582
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: was like her hair was totally straightened, so she looked

583
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: like Cleopatra and.

584
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: He looked like Caesar. And so they started going by

585
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: Caesar and Cleo, which didn't really hit, and then they

586
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: went by Sonny and Shai.

587
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I have a question for you. Do you

588
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: find Sonny at this time?

589
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 3: Yes, he's got the mustache she's got the mop top like,

590
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: I'm into it to me.

591
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: Without the mustache, Sonny is funky boots looking.

592
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but with the mustache like it really works to me.

593
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: It kind of goes to show kind of the control

594
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: a certain type of man can hold over a woman,

595
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: a controlling man, where I'm like, damn sure, this guy

596
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: ain't that hot.

597
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: He's totally hot. He's got a hairy chest. I mean,

598
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: the hair is insane, I will say.

599
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: I mean he's like kind of like Muppet us.

600
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: It's a little muppetty.

601
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: Yes, so kind of in this time, I'm you know,

602
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: they basically they record I Got You, Babe, and it

603
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: goes like freaking wild.

604
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: You know that She performed at my mother's high school,

605
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: at Louisville Girls High School in solo or with Sonny.

606
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: So this was like in sixties. This was during this

607
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: time when they were like gigging it up everywhere constantly.

608
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: And as someone says about Sonny, if you told him

609
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: there was a gig down the street, he'd speed right there.

610
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: No. It was like if you had to go to

611
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: a gig in San Francisco, he'd stop in San Berndino

612
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: on the way to do another gig, like he couldn't

613
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: get enough. He was working into the bone. And it

614
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: turns out why, well, they actually had two hundred and

615
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: seventy thousand dollars in back taxes that they are the irs.

616
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: So this is kind of a classic story, and like

617
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: everyone like, listen up, this is what happens. It's like,

618
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: you can have a hit single and do I Got

619
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: You babe, and you know, record your hit comedic nightly

620
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: program with hilarious skits. But if you don't pay those taxes, yeah,

621
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: you can get.

622
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: Creative types just get really afraid of paperwork and business stuff.

623
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: And I think that we have to remember to hire

624
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: those accountants. Wait. I love when they're first dating. They're

625
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: not actually dating. She's just like roommates.

626
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: He thinks basically like she's funny, and he's like if

627
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: you clean and cook, like you can just like live.

628
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: Here because he's like, I'm not attracted to you, and she's like, honey,

629
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: I'm not attracted to you. Like I'm sixteen, and they're

630
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: living at this random apartment in Hollywood and he has

631
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: like so many girlfriends and he's such a ladies man.

632
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: And one of the girls who came to the apartment

633
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: told me that she knew Sonny was cheating on her.

634
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: That's just how he is. I suppose the news didn't

635
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: supprime me well. Waiting for his divorce, Sonny started seeing

636
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: several women, including one who claimed she was pregnant with

637
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: his child, took us money for an abortion, along with

638
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: two other men to whom she made the same claim,

639
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: and flew to Hawaii together teeth fix instead. That chick

640
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: was so smart she got a suntan and a teeth

641
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: fixed all on their dime. I'm obsessed with tell you man,

642
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: you're pregnant, then going to Hawaiian getting dental work portion money.

643
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: A lot of this book is very like escaping to

644
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: Hawaii in like a way that I feel like we

645
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: can't anymore. No, although like later on she's with Greg

646
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: Allman of the Almond Brothers, who has had a horrible

647
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: heroin addiction, and they're like, let's just go to Hawaii

648
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: to beat this thing out, babe, And like they're in Hawaii,

649
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: but then they like can't even go to any restaurants

650
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: because like men are getting like so mad at Greg

651
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: Almon being like stopped taking like one of our women

652
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: because they like think shares Hawaiian and they're like, stop

653
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: dating our local beautiful Hawaiian women. And he's like, man,

654
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: he's nodding off, and she's like, so from then on

655
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: we just stuck to the beach. But I feel like

656
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: everyone's been like we had to hut out.

657
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: Wait, and you're saying, we can't do that go to

658
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: Hawaiian anymore.

659
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: I guess it's there's all these high rises and there's

660
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: paparazzi in Hawaii. Now, okay, Share, I'm sure you could

661
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: rent a huge villa and hide, but it's less of

662
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: a like let's rent a like tiny little cabin and

663
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: just like just hied away from it.

664
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 3: All right. I mean, it's like when Kristin CAVALII, it

665
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: was like sandals during the pandemic for like three months.

666
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: We got the photos fast of her with the.

667
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: Pigs, right, that's because she's posting them.

668
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: Also, I want to talk about her and Sonny's divorce.

669
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: Wait, but we actually didn't even talk about the vest thing,

670
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: and I just want to get that quickly. Let's in

671
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: terms of her fashion, there's this whole period in her

672
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: life where she's basically seen fashion on the street and

673
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: like running after it. One day, we were driving down

674
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: Los Cienaga Boulevard when I spotted an amazing bobcat for

675
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: vest blowing in the breeze outside a sandal store owned

676
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: by an Armenian leather worker named Andrew Macochian. Whoa, so,

677
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: I shrieked, stop back up? What he cried wondering was wrong?

678
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: Look at that? Oh Sunny, I just have to have it.

679
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: He parked the car, we ran in and I tried

680
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: on the vest. It was too big for me, so

681
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: I made Sunny trod on. He bought it a wore

682
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 3: for years until he made the mistake of loaning it

683
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: to Jerry Wexler for a costume party. The two already

684
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: had bad blood, and after the party, Jerry said it

685
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: was still that.

686
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: Bard is so in. Let's break it down first. One,

687
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: I set this audio to you when I was on

688
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: the plane and I was leaving LA and I was like, wait,

689
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: that is so me in a car like passing by

690
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: a store being like wait is that a bowling shirt?

691
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: Like?

692
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: Turn around right now?

693
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: Whoa?

694
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: Son? Let's all just say this. She got babe from

695
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: her her mother. Okay, so she started calling Sonny babe.

696
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: He started calling her babe. They started saying babe, which

697
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 2: created I think a California way of speaking. I think

698
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: they and like, yes, her mom was calling her babe.

699
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: I think in a little more like hey, babe, like

700
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: kind of Southern. I think she invented literally babe, babe, babe,

701
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: Kristen Kim, Kate Boe, Wurney, Luren Jessee Like, Yes, she

702
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: created flares, Yes, she created teas hair. Yes, she created

703
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: wearing like a song in a music video.

704
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: Yes, she literally invented being thin with straightened hair, with

705
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: straightened hair and like not having tits.

706
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: Also wearing like kind of wide like boyfriend jeans with

707
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: a little top. Yeah, little white jeans, little top for

708
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: the white like jeans.

709
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 3: But she also invented babe babe. What's funny because she's

710
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: not a valley girl. She doesn't have like a vocal fry.

711
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: No, I mean where Cher gets her amazing way of speaking?

712
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: Is it just Armenian ness?

713
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: Is it Kim's Armenian?

714
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: She certainly doesn't. It's funny. You know, She's part of

715
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: a long line of women with husky voices that become

716
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: like sex symbols, like Demi Moore.

717
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: I was thinking about Demi so much book because it's

718
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: like Demi really kind of has her look the long

719
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 2: straightened black hair, thin hot, like kind of like Col Rocker.

720
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: You know, there's something almost like proto feminist about it,

721
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: of like a woman with a deeper voice being a

722
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: sex symbol, because I do feel like today's sex symbol

723
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: women are so kim who like I talk like this.

724
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: Baby always well baby, this was happening on the sexual revolutions,

725
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: would stock baby.

726
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 3: Would she like wasn't participating because Shenao lot drugs, but.

727
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: She did love kind of back to the music, but

728
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: all like when they started and it was so girl group.

729
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: I think she really loved like Hendrix and Janis Joplin,

730
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: but like she didn't like drugs and like Sonny was

731
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: so kind of like Sicilian and just like cigar coded

732
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: and drinks that they stayed away from it. She saw

733
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: all her stepfathers be addicted to dope.

734
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: You know. So there's this actually quite interesting part where

735
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: later on she's like, we kind of miscalculated. So there's

736
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: basically kind of like two eras of Sonny and Share.

737
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: There's first them starting out as a music duo. That's

738
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: when I Got You Babe comes out. This is in

739
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: the sixties, and then there's all this political change happening,

740
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: and she's kind of like acknowledging that it's going down.

741
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: And obviously people are being super anti at the Vietnam War.

742
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: There's a lot of drug use, and there's this counterculture

743
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: revolution happening, and they're like, wait, we suddenly became like

744
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: more conservative. So she's talking about Alan Ginsburg Timothy Leary,

745
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: the Harvard psychologists who recommended these psychoedelic drugs for mind expansion.

746
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: He became famous for his turn on tune in drop

747
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 3: out message with I thought was dumb. I never took

748
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: drugs and the idea of taking acid didn't turn me on.

749
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: So while everyone else was tripping playing acid rock a

750
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: machin in the streets to protest the Vietnam War, Sonny

751
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: and I with a straight square couple who sang middle

752
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: of the road songs, didn't engage in drug culture. And

753
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: now in the era of free love, we became uncool

754
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 3: for being married.

755
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: Well, and they were like getting into this also very

756
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: like TV couple vibe. So she was like liking that

757
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: music and like didn't believe in the Vietnam War. But

758
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: she wasn't gonna be so like merching the streets. I

759
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: think also because Sonny was like, no, we need to

760
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 2: market ourselves as like a kooky, sexy couple on TV

761
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: that like everyone loves, yeah for like America.

762
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: I think he had like, yeah, a slightly more anachronistic

763
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 3: idea of like what would be a like popular Middle

764
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: America couple like product because their music was a little

765
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: bit more folk rock, and it was like, I mean,

766
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: I guess that's also what like Janice Joplin was doing,

767
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: but I just feel like it was a little bit

768
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: more like retro if you listen to hipp.

769
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you listen to her like sixties records,

770
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: they're a little more like girl group. And then her

771
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: number one single is actually kind of more famous by

772
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: Nancy Sinatra, which is Bang Bang my Barbis shot mood Down,

773
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: which it's actually a little sound Yeah, it's a little

774
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: more kill Bill new war Manson's Sunsets story very western,

775
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: like their vibe I think was a little bit more

776
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: about being like Hollywood and less like.

777
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: By gay scary, really scary.

778
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: But then they do this huge MLK concert and Chaer

779
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: was really like proud that they were like part of

780
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: this MLK.

781
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: She's consciously realizing they need to recalibrate because they're kind

782
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: of losing their edge at this moment when everyone's being

783
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: hippy dippy, and when she sees Jimmy Hendrix at that

784
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: like benefit for RFK, after he like dies and then

785
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: like he's like, you got.

786
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: Any stuff and she's like, what stuff, babe, And she's

787
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: like a slowly realized he was talking about drugs, okay.

788
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: And then there's this amazing scene when her and Sonny

789
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: go to Salvador Dolly's house. Oh, and she's like, we

790
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: walked in with a crew, and we realized we had

791
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: walked in just at the end of an orgy, and

792
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: she's kind of embarrassed that Sonny Bono and their other

793
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: friend are acting so like silly, Like I feel like

794
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: they're being kind of these guys that are like, oh,

795
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: we're just gonna like laugh to cover up that they're

796
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: feeling awkward about the orgy, and I feel like cher

797
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: was kind of a little more interested in like what

798
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: was going on. And then Salvador Dali, like who sounds

799
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: honestly so fucking annoying, invites them to this big dinner and.

800
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: Then leaves after five minutes and it's like we have

801
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: a previous engagement and goes to sit at.

802
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: A table like two tables over right, which is so

803
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: like surrealist of him.

804
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've talked about surrealism. I do think

805
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: it's annoying.

806
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we have a full up

807
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: on Dolly and him being annoying, and it's like elephants

808
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: coming out of a head.

809
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 3: But she's also she's also being like, oh, I feel

810
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: like such a Squaresville because they're all being such like.

811
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: No, That's what I'm saying, Like, I feel like she

812
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: would have kind of rolled harder with Dolly, but felt

813
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: like she was with Bono and was like, oh, I

814
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: kind of have to like roll with my guys.

815
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 3: But at the same time, though, she literally doesn't like drugs,

816
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: and she is not a New York person, like she

817
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: is an LA person and she is being.

818
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: Like La sober.

819
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 3: She is like La sober, and so they're being so

820
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 3: like New York glitterroddy where drugs.

821
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: Drugs were rather permits. And ultimately she's a house not

822
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: so she's big house. And throughout this book, she's they're

823
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: buying so many different houses, and she's always wanting so

824
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: many different houses. She's always been like fun of Loo,

825
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: we had the house in the hills, but then she

826
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: was being like, oh, Sunny, I'll stay with you if

827
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: you like give me this house in Malanto.

828
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she keeps meeting bigger houses until they're having that

829
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: house with like separate masters that they're living in with

830
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: their fake marriage when they're.

831
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: But all the while, also why she's like kind of

832
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 2: afraid of being more counter called her too, is she's

833
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: like completely under his control and he slowly in the

834
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: relationship does not let her literally see movies alone.

835
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: All of Britney conservatorship, where like.

836
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: She can maybe go shopping with one friend, but he'll

837
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: like be very or Kelly and like be like you

838
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: have to be back in the thirty five in a

839
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: minute guy.

840
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 3: To follow her. And like when they're in Vegas and

841
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: like one of the band guys like sees her in

842
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: the casino alone, he's like so scared because he knows

843
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: he's gonna get in trouble. That share is like not

844
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: with Sonny and is like out of the dressing room.

845
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: And then this turning point comes where like she's like

846
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: wakes up and hears voices in one of their big

847
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: houses mm hmm and whispers, and she basically sees them

848
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: hooking up yeah with his assistant.

849
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: And like the check is then like leaving and she's

850
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: being like what the fuck.

851
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: And he's been like, oh, I'm so sorry. So then

852
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: she's like, okay, two can play this game. Cut to

853
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: them in Vegas. They also go this range of kind

854
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: of like in your Sinatra were at this point also

855
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: in the sixties, like you could kind of, I think,

856
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: go a few routes of like Hendricks or like Vegas

857
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: was starting, so it's like the Elvis and the Sinatras

858
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: and you could like get a Vegas show and be

859
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: a little more like fab and just like have a

860
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: steady check.

861
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. But and this comes back to her like that's

862
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: where she think fits more naturally politically. She was like, yes,

863
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: I liked McGovern and not Nixon, and like my mom

864
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 3: was so Nixon with her yard sign. But like she's like, yes,

865
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: I supported RFK. I thought he was what we Bobby,

866
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: Like I thought we needed Bobby. But she's like ultimately

867
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: like I'm not being so.

868
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: Like she's not in the streets on the streets, sobbing

869
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: but she's not a preppy. Yeah, I mean, she's definitely

870
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: more of a hippie, and Sonny does support mc governance.

871
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: She goes to her mom's house when the mom does

872
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: put Nixon signs in the yard, and she's being a

873
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: little more like woke office girl that comes home from

874
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and takes the signs out of the yard.

875
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 3: She's absolutely we office girl and Thanksgiving.

876
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: Less fully protests every day getting arrested like in a beret.

877
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: But ultimately their Vegas act and their whole TV show,

878
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: which we'll get into on part two of part one

879
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: of Share, is like it is way more old school,

880
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: like borshed belt hilarious.

881
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: Like jokes about in law send marriages jokes, and.

882
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 3: Like she's ribbon him on his height and he's ribven

883
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: her for being so damn thin.

884
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: Also, age was totally different then, so like Sonny was

885
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: at this time like thirty three, and to be thirty

886
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: three in nineteen sixty five is basically like being fifty.

887
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, age was so different then, because like the whole time,

888
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: she's still just like twenty two, which is like forty

889
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: for a woman.

890
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: Right, and she's already like left Philip Specter, she's like

891
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: I Got You Babe has come out.

892
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also when people were in their thirties, they

893
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: looked one hundred because nobody drank water bag.

894
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: So they are being a little more like Vegas, less

895
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: like protest. Yeah, though of course classic all sixties like

896
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: they are absolutely like sobbing when JFK dies in a

897
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: way that just.

898
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: Like all were, we all were, you know, the world

899
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 3: as we knew it changed. I remember when the nuns

900
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: wheeled in the television.

901
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: Every Bird's and we got under our desks and I

902
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: came home early that day and Daddy lit up his

903
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: cigar and he says, I'm going to bed early. I've

904
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: never seen Daddy go to bed early. Tunny's controlling, basically, guys,

905
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: is the tea?

906
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah the tea? Is he super controlling.

907
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: Let's just say the beginning of their divorce starts in

908
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 2: Vegas when she sleeps with one of their band members.

909
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: Well, but she doesn't actually sleep with him.

910
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: Then well, she kisses him and then they sleep together.

911
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: No, but not until after they leave Vegas, remember.

912
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: Oh, and then they have the conversation She's like, I

913
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: want to sleep a bill and I want a house

914
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: in Malibu.

915
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then He's like, how long do you need

916
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: and she goes two hours and then she goes, but

917
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: she actually just talks to Bill and cries about how

918
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: sad her marriage is and how controlling he is and

919
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: how hard. Yeah, but then she does sleep with Bill

920
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: in Malibu two weeks later.

921
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: What's really sad is when they do kiss in Vegas.

922
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: She's like, that's what I imagine as a teen kissing

923
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: to be like Sonny didn't kiss, which is so sixties.

924
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: That revelation's crazy that Sonny didn't like kissing.

925
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: And she like had it, have like a kiss for

926
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: years and she just like made out for the first time.

927
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: That's so crazy. It's cool that she's still young then,

928
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: so it's like.

929
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't it's not too sad. She's like twenty three

930
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: Actually fuck turn mac segments.

931
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: How does she live? What does she eat? Not mad?

932
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: Not much, honey, because she's so busy like being a diva.

933
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 3: But what does modern chare eat?

934
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: No, I think we should share for this book share

935
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: and then next episode will two part.

936
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: So this is what a share eat in the sixties.

937
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: And throughout this book which goes to nineteen eighties. So

938
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: here's what I'm saying, I think it's sixties share eats

939
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: like Spagodian meatball's midbust Sonny, and it's so like little

940
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: apartment one pot.

941
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: Portion sizes were so much smaller than.

942
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's making kind of like a cartoon

943
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: Lady in the Tramp spaginning meatballs for them.

944
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: Do you think that he's making like three really big meatballs.

945
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, for some reason, the money is sicilian. I

946
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 2: kind of think he's being a little prego sauce and

947
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: actually like not being so like his home.

948
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: Sure him like chopping onions.

949
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: I think he's chopping onions to a bottled sauce. What

950
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: people do it?

951
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, the sixties was so like canned everything. Yes,

952
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: Like my mom was like I never said until she

953
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 3: was like forty, and they're.

954
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: Being so like we were struggling out as honey, like

955
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: we ate dinner on a cardboard.

956
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 3: Box and he's making prey go and she can't even

957
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: conceive like how to even do prego. She's like somehow

958
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: burning the prey go.

959
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: And then they would go to another Italian restaurant if

960
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: they ever went out, because he would never let them

961
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: like eat out because he was so like scary and

962
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: controlling and was like no man can see he was

963
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: so controlled. And then it would be like garlic bread,

964
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: wine pasta doll of fifty and it.

965
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 3: Was like a dollar seventy five with a glass of wine.

966
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 2: I feel like by the end of the book, she's

967
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: doing like sushi and Laurel Canyon.

968
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so she hadn't been invented yet in the sixties.

969
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: She's doing obviously outfits. She's wearing flairs, she's wearing bests,

970
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: she's wearing Bob Mackie. Yeah, it's a lifelong relationship with

971
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: Bob Mackie.

972
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: And its sequins. It's like also all about flares that

973
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: she is having her girlfriends cut in like different sweded

974
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: liners in so it's like oil tin swede patches as

975
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: like a raver would do with like fleece and wide legs,

976
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like they're cutting up flaars,

977
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: adding extra frating.

978
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 3: A panel of fabric to make the flair like complete.

979
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. And whether it's beat the Bell, Paisley, your stripes,

980
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: or you know, fur, definitely. She makes a big point

981
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: about how like in the sixties she was swayed in

982
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: fur and how like now she's really anti fur because

983
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: she gets so Lupita baby.

984
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that reminds me her writing smile obviously if you've

985
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: seen her Twitter, and she reveals in this book she's

986
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: like dyslexic and has learning disability and had a lot

987
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: of trouble reading as a child, and it was actually

988
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 3: Sunny who first like gave her the confidence to like

989
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: fully read a book for pleasure, which she still does

990
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: and loves to this day.

991
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: There's a picture in this book of her reading a

992
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: book in bed with Sunny.

993
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: But for a long time she was like bad at

994
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 3: school and like teachers told her that she wasn't applying herself.

995
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: But it makes me curious because she wrote this, she

996
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: wrote this question mark because like, obviously this book is

997
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: not the style of like how she writes. If you've

998
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: seen her Twitter, which is like so kookie and so

999
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: stream up consciousness, I'm like much more like just like

1000
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: kind of raw poetry. Yeah, I mean, are we thinking

1001
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: it's the classic thing where she had like many zoom

1002
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: calls with the ghostwriter and they basically like wrote it.

1003
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: Well. She reveals that her favorite movie is, of course

1004
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: my favorite movie Auntie Mame, and she's seen it a

1005
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: million times. And the way Auntie Mame writes her book

1006
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: In Auntie Mame is she walks around the room as

1007
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 2: a nerdy typist, just types a mile a minute, and

1008
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 2: she is being so share, being like, darling, my puberty

1009
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: was bleak in Buffalo, and then like the nerdy woman

1010
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: is being like, wow, you really lived. Yeah, Agnes is

1011
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: the character, so I think she it was tons of

1012
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: zoom calls and then I think someone was coming over

1013
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: and shares walking around, She's been like full dictation. Baby,

1014
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: I was so mad at Sonny in the spring of

1015
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one I could hardly eat.

1016
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 3: That does make sense why the sort of structure of

1017
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 3: the book is so like just deep till logical, where

1018
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: it's just like time, because you can imagine the team

1019
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: being like, okay, share now nineteen sixty one, this song

1020
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: came out like you did this, and they're giving her

1021
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: some of the time poles. She's like, oh, right, right, well,

1022
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: let me tell you this story, right.

1023
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: And they're being like, so in nineteen seventy one, you

1024
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: and Greg all men like were on and off, and

1025
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, baby, we visited his mama in Macon.

1026
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: There were these two women. I think her name was

1027
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: Diana t Well. She had a barbecue stand. She's one

1028
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: of those people that I think of travel and the

1029
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: food is important. She will try the barbecue. I don't

1030
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: think she's ordering barbecue at home. But like if she

1031
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: goes to the South and someone makes her like an

1032
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: amazing blade of like chicken and beans and corn bread,

1033
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: she's eating it.

1034
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: She's not finishing the plate though.

1035
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: She's tasting each bite. No, oh my god, No, she's

1036
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: not licking it clean.

1037
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 3: Now, as Ruth Raschel said, a few bites will do.

1038
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: She's tossing her hair, being like baby cudding this recipe.

1039
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: I want to make it for chess.

1040
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: Okay, how does she live? Here's the real question. So

1041
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: she I feel like she's sot and there's been eras

1042
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: of share.

1043
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: So there's so many eras because at one point, when

1044
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: she's with Greg Goleman, her bedroom burns down and she

1045
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: sees it as actually a miracle because she's like, then

1046
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: I was able to import all this Bali wood and

1047
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: I made a modern Bolanese bedroom that was so like,

1048
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 2: this is my Bolanese tiki.

1049
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1050
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: And then she had her Egyptian phase, and then she

1051
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: had her like probably louis the fourteenth phase.

1052
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: So she basically is like died in the world Buddha

1053
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: and has ben Buddha forever, and she's like different iterations

1054
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 3: of Buddha throughout history and like what that would have

1055
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 3: meant for women throughout.

1056
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: History right the sixties when Buddha was just being created.

1057
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: Its being more DreamCatcher.

1058
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 3: I love the part with the brass bed where she

1059
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: was like, I felt so good when me and Sonny

1060
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 3: polished that brass bed because those other girlfriends would never

1061
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: have sat and polish to bed.

1062
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: That part was insane, where she's like, we discovered it

1063
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: was brass, so we got a Brothertle pads out and

1064
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: it's like basically she's saying she's a tomboy and like

1065
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: she is a guys girl and is down to school.

1066
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm not just some girl who's gonna sit around like

1067
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: online shopping on Prime Day.

1068
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: I am and like current sunny, I think, really love

1069
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: to decorate together. And it's like, actually this very I

1070
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: think tos a couple things where she's like when we

1071
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: were good, we were good, and we would go to

1072
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: a small town and we would antique.

1073
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 3: And we would like we shop for the table and

1074
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: like shop for bulls together, making like kind of like

1075
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: a Japanese screen window shutter.

1076
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 2: Oh wait, that was crazy. They have like blinds.

1077
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 3: He's like busted Venetians.

1078
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: Busted Venetians, and he goes and buys like a beautiful

1079
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: woven Japanese tapestry and then cuts it and sews it

1080
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: to each part of the Venetian blind. I was like,

1081
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: literally genius, what can't they do?

1082
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 3: I know, but I also feel like it probably looked

1083
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: like a liv I think it may look like a

1084
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: little dork like it was maybe looking like a little

1085
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: bit wonky sima.

1086
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Speaker 2: It probably wasn't perfect, but I mean, she just kind.

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Speaker 3: Of made me think of do you remember when in

1088
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: my first apartment in New York I had that dresser

1089
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 3: I made out of cardboard? Oh no, you weren't living

1090
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: in New York then, but on Tenth Street. Yeah, And

1091
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 3: I had like used boxes and I like fit them together.

1092
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: I like meet slits and like constructed a dresser out

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: of cardboard.

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00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: Okay, it was a little bit like that.

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00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 3: It wasn't looking like a cool like you know, Donald

1096
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 3: ud It doesn't.

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00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: Sound Donald Judge. It also made me think of just

1098
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: like me in college, like going to the store in

1099
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 2: Chinatown and buying a huge Chinese fan and that's.

1100
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: More you being like gay guy with AIDS and like having.

1101
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: A bird which is also so share which is also

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00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: so I'm saying, like I like her style, is that

1103
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: because she's so like, yeah, she is like silk robe

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00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: and and she starts to kind of, you know, say,

1105
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: like I love gay guys and like AIDS was happening

1106
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: a little bit, but we'll get into that.

1107
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: And part two, Part one she fully dates David Geffer.

1108
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the sucks was amazing, babe, crazy. Okay, we

1109
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 2: haven't got to chas you guys. That's why we're coming

1110
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: back next week with part two. So part one, Who

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00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: are you in the book? Right now? I'm a person

1112
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 2: who read five hundred bages of chair.

1113
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 3: No, you know who you are. You know you're Josita,

1114
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 3: the German maid who's really bad at her job. And

1115
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 3: they were like, she was the worst maid ever, darling.

1116
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 3: She couldn't find her ass with two hands.

1117
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: But they're like, Bob, we loved her.

1118
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: And then she like moves into some apartment that one

1119
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: of her stepdad's reads for her with Josie to the

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00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: maid and they're just like being cookie and like burning

1121
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: the curtains.

1122
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: I know what it's like. I would so become like

1123
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: roommates with my clients and daughter, and I'm just being like, babe,

1124
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: let's go to the club. Babe, let's go to the club.

1125
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: You are, oh you hit Papa being like, come and

1126
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: play this saloon. I'll play piano, you sing, We're gonna

1127
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: make five cents each.

1128
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 3: This Arkansas like alcoholic minor.

1129
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, who moves to La to be like I'm

1130
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: gonna make my daughter a star.

1131
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: I mean, what I want to be is the girl

1132
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 3: who's like saying she needs an abortion money and then

1133
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: using that money to get done to work in Hawaii.

1134
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 3: But I don't know if I have that gumption in

1135
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 3: that moxie. I haven't scammed enough men.

1136
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah you're not that. I mean you could also be

1137
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: so like SHARE's best friend who's like being her chica

1138
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: in Vegas. But then it's like, oh, girl, I need

1139
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 2: to keep my job. So I'm actually gonna stop talking

1140
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: to you because like, Sonny has hired so many mafiosos,

1141
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about all the capo bosses in part

1142
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 2: part two.

1143
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 3: I give this, but.

1144
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: Definitely like it's hard to give the rating now, I

1145
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 2: don't wanna.

1146
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll wait till man, let's wait. We'll wait till

1147
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 3: next week together, Radin, stay tuned for part two.

1148
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: Now You're on the end of your seat.

1149
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: Art one a share of the memoir.

1150
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: Share Baby Baby bestst.

1151
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: This episode was produced by one of the best in

1152
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: the Bears all the Masters, a Master of Production and

1153
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: my Heart Baby, I Love You.

1154
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: The supervising producer was our Boos Defar. We were married

1155
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: for nine and a half years. I got pregnant, but

1156
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: then I left him because I fell back in love

1157
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: with my first husband. This episode was executive produced by

1158
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 2: my old galpal, Christina Effett. We used to run Vegas Baby.

1159
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: A sound engineer who pioneer the use of the wall

1160
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: of sound that you've heard and all the best girl

1161
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: groups in nineteen fifty nine. In nineteen seventy three, is

1162
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 3: Behe Rais He rested me.

1163
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: The music, of course, was a little proteg man Stephen

1164
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: pull Host, the young homosexual man that I met on

1165
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: at at Whiskey of Go Go. But his songs are

1166
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: pretty cool, so he did the third remix for Believe

1167
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: I heard the club once and I said, Okay, babe,

1168
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: I should do a theme song for this.

1169
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: Originally the game, This pollcast in Las Vegas, Nevada with

1170
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: Prolab Project. We were under contract for four years at

1171
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: the Venetian Basement. Not a lot of people go in there.

1172
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: Very dank, very dirty. They wouldn't let us leave, but

1173
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 1: we were locked up. But we ultimately found a way

1174
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: to part ways and set our assets evenly. And I

1175
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: wish them the best. They run that town with an iron.

1176
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: Fits and I wouldn't have an as.

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00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: I love your baby. Look, I didn't want to used

1178
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: to be in the sixties with vinyl sales and everything.

1179
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: So if you want to head over to patreon dot

1180
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: com so I've seen to see the past. Sign up.

1181
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: We get a few more of our musics on music, Hollywood, sex,

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Speaker 2: blove and drugs and rock and roll,