1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: I've got some stories to tell you. Each one of 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: these is an individual account. After awaking at one am 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: to use the bathroom, I settled back in our bed 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: and was nearly asleep when I felt someone sit on 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: the edge of the bed next to me. My eyes 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: flew open and I was unable to speak or move 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: my arms. I kicked my husband awake, and he held 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: me until I was calm once again. I'm Megan. I'm 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: eleven years old. My mom and I stayed in this room, 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: and we both watched her hair brush fly off the 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: desk when no one was near it. During the night, 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: I was awakened by a bell, not like a church 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: bell or a small tinkling bell, but more like the 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: sound of a bell at a store counter. The next day, 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: I woke up to the desk chair across the room 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: and pushed against the wall. My wife and I turned 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: the thermostat to seventy degrees before falling asleep. We both 20 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: awoke in the middle of the night to find the 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: room blazing hot. We threw off the covers and went 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: back to sleep. A few hours later, at four am, 23 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: I woke to find a small, blue eyed, blondhaired child 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: staring at me from my side of the bed. He disappeared, 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: and a few seconds later I heard a small child's 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: voice speaking from my wife's side of the bed. I 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: woke up in the middle of the night to see 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: the bathroom light on. I like to sleep in darkness, 29 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: so I got out of bed, walked across the room, 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: and turned the light off. After getting back in bed, 31 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: I rolled over to see the light was on again. 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: This time I stood up, and as I walked over, 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: I said, I'm trying to sleep, leave the light off, please. 34 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: I went back to bed, and then heard the soft 35 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: click of what sounded like my door opening and closing, 36 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: as though someone left because I clearly wasn't much fun. 37 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: That last story was mine, by the way, and every 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: one of these stories was taken from the bedside journals 39 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: kept at the Belvoir Winery and in in Liberty, Missouri, 40 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: a haunted winery. You ask, well, when it's a former 41 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: orphanage next door to a former nursing home, hospital, cemetery 42 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: and morgue that ups the anti unweather your winery is haunted, 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: so let's head to the Odd Fellows Complex. I'm Amy 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: Brunei and welcome to Haunted Road. Visit the sick, relieve 45 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: the distressed, bury the dead, and educate the orphan. That 46 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: was the official purpose of the Independent Order of the 47 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Odd Fellows, which was founded by tom Us Wildy of 48 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: Baltimore in eighteen nineteen. The I O o F stemmed 49 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: from the eighteenth century Odd Fellows of English creation. Being 50 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: of fraternal order, Odd Fellowship is also known for their 51 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: mysterious and secretive rituals, including rites of initiation, a secret grip, 52 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: and secret passwords. The officers and members of the lodge 53 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: where regalia during closed ritual meetings. Most famously, each lodge 54 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: has an actual skeleton named George, used to symbolize members mortality. 55 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: The Fraternal Order first came to Missouri in eighteen thirty five, 56 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: and by the end of the century they built the 57 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: Odd Fellows Home, a two hundred forty acre complex. It 58 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: was a form of health and life insurance, and as 59 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: long as members had a good record, they could depend 60 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: on the Odd Fellows for help. The complex had its 61 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: own farm and expected those who could to work. It 62 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: also eventually had its own hospital, an orphanage school, nursing home, 63 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: and cemetery. Eighteen eighty seven was a great year for 64 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: Clay County, called the Great Boom. The community benefited from 65 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: the influx of real estate investment and construction. That year, 66 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: the Winner Hotel was built, but the plans didn't stop 67 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: with it. In eight eight the land was plotted to 68 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: be the home of Red Springs, a complex intended to 69 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: take advantage of nearby springs thought to be healing waters. 70 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: But by eighteen nine the plans hadn't borne much fruit 71 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: Besides the hotel and the owners finances were struggling. In 72 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: the midst of the healing waters interest in America, they 73 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: renamed the hotel the Read Springs Hotel in an attempt 74 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: to attract more visitors. One of those visitors was a 75 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: young Fellow who later became the Grand Master of the 76 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: Odd Fellows, Dr F. H. Matthews. In poor health, he 77 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: had gone to Read Springs Hotel for its healing waters. 78 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: His health restored, he married a young Liberty woman and 79 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: remained in Liberty to practice medicine. He later was physician 80 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: at the Odd Fellows Home for twenty three years. In 81 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: eighteen ninety seven, the real estate boom ended, but the 82 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: Odd Fellows had purchased the hotel in Acreage. In February 83 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: of nineteen hundred, the former Red Springs Hotel was then 84 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: being used as an Odd Fellows home, and in an 85 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: attempt to unthaw frozen pipes, the building caught fire and 86 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: burned to the ground. There were allegedly three hundred residents 87 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: on the property at the time, but miraculously all escaped. 88 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: Although the fire set the Odd Fellows back money and labor, 89 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: they took control of nearly two hundred fifty acres of farmland. 90 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: Adults and children, aided by the Odd Fellows, worked this 91 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: land and more or less made the home self sustaining. 92 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: What stands now as the Odd Fellows District was constructed 93 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: between nineteen hundred and nineteen thirty five. The establishment of 94 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: statewide homes as the Missouri Odd Fellows in Liberty was 95 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: viewed as a form of health and life insurance. As 96 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: long as members were in good standing, they could count 97 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: on the Odd Fellows taking care of them or their 98 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: family if misfortunes should arise. It seemed like a bold 99 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: and noble purpose, except eventually the Odd Fellows Home district 100 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: became outdated and the conditions people were kept in deteriorated. Originally, 101 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: the home was intended to represent modernity, cleanliness, and caretaking 102 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: until social programs took over in the nineteen thirties. Now 103 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: a little history on the buildings at the Odd Fellows Home. 104 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: The administration building was originally built in nineteen hundred house 105 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: all the inmates, employees, and functions of the complex. Now, 106 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: when I say inmate, I am using an old school 107 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: term to refer to the then current residence. The original 108 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: school building, now gone and replaced by the modern nursing 109 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: home in nineteen fifty five, was built in nineteen o four. 110 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: After that, the rooms in the administration building were reduced 111 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: in size to function as residences for elderly folks throughout 112 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: nineteen o seven and the following year. The Old Folks 113 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: Home was built in nineteen In twenty three, the old 114 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: hospital was added to the grounds. By the time it arrived, 115 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: there had been a need for its singular purpose since 116 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: nineteen o five. Because the Grand Lodge made it impossible 117 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: for the home to reject an applicant based on a 118 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: physical disability, many residents required hospital care beyond that provided 119 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: by the staff, nurse and doctor. The hospital was the 120 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: only medical facility in Liberty for quite some time, and 121 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: even had its own laboratory, but over time it too 122 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 1: became outdated, as the halls and doorways were not wide 123 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: enough for movement of hospital beds and equipment. As for residents, 124 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: the early years were marked by a greater number of 125 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: children versus adults. Around the time of the Great Depression, though, 126 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: adults began to outnumber the children. But along with the depression, 127 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: national efforts to start up social welfare programs marked the 128 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: beginning of the end for the home, at least as 129 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: it served the Odd Fellows. Also during the Depression, a 130 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: large number of non orphan children were admitted their families 131 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: were unable to care for them. In addition to education, 132 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: activities for the children included music, literature, radios, religious services, 133 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: holiday parties, and movie nights. To this day, people who 134 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: spent time at the Orphanage come back to visit, and 135 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: most recall having fond memories there. This may explain why 136 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: most every encounter with the ghosts of children here involves 137 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: playful activity and laughter. Now, as in life, so too 138 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: and death did the Odd Fellows aid their members a 139 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: cemetery plot, headstone and burial where yet another benefit provided 140 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: to their members. There is an on site cemetery at 141 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: the complex. Originally it began its tenure near the admin building, 142 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: but was moved to higher ground in nineteen eleven. The 143 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: cemetery contains the remains of nearly six hundred people. Over 144 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: the decades the Odd Fellows Home was an operation, it 145 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: is estimated as many as ten thousand people died there. 146 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: While many were expected as people were taken care of 147 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: in their later years, it's many were due to the 148 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: lack of adequate medical facilities in the early years and 149 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: then outdated facilities in its later years. There are also 150 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: newspaper records of at least a few suicides and accidents, 151 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: and a number of children are buried in the cemetery, 152 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: most likely victims of pneumonia or tuberculosis and with no 153 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: family or means to be buried elsewhere. In n the 154 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: Odd Fellows sold the property to the current owners. At 155 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: that time, every building had long been closed and out 156 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: of commission, other than the nursing home, which still had 157 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: a few remaining residents. Eventually, that too was shuttered, and 158 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: the new owners then turned the campus into a winery. 159 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: The district now totals thirty six acres. It is a dark, 160 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: looming set of buildings. The original orphanage is now operating 161 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: as the inn and winery, and as fate would have it, 162 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: is a popular wedding venue. Also in this building is 163 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: a large collection of antique Odd Fellows artifacts, including masks, robes, 164 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: and of course, their very own George. This skeleton dates 165 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: back to the eighties and belonged to an Odd Fellow 166 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: who bequeathed his remains first to science and then to 167 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: the I O O F for ritual use. Now, in 168 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: addition to educating folks on the history of the Odd Fellows, 169 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: he's a popular stop for selfies. Just next door sits 170 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: the dormant and quiet nursing home Basement Morgue still included, 171 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: and beyond that the old Folks Home and hospital. All 172 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: these buildings are wide open to the elements, as nature 173 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: is slowly taking over in some places, but it's not 174 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: hard to imagine what the complex look like in its heyday. 175 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: One thing is for sure, the Odd Fellows complex has 176 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: been rumored to be haunted for decades. Many locals have 177 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: stories of being dared to enter the buildings in their 178 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: teenaged years and having strange encounters. Former staff of the 179 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: nursing home, which remained open long after the other buildings 180 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: had closed, reports strange going on, especially on the night shift, 181 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: and of course the current employees have no shortage of 182 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: tales to tell visitors and guests. I should add the 183 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: place is now patrolled by security, so no more breaking 184 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: and entering, please. Even Jesse lime Killer, who I should 185 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: explain as a dear friend and CEO of the winery. 186 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: His wife, Melissa's father is the one who originally took 187 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: on the task of buying the complex, doesn't shy from 188 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: telling his ghost stories. Will be interviewing him in a bit, 189 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: but he has seen the apparition of a small child, 190 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: a woman, and a shadowed silhouette. He's also personally told 191 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: me numerous stories of voices and footsteps in the building 192 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: when he has been all alone. It's not unusual for 193 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: guests to report footsteps or to hear the pianos playing 194 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: on their own, have lights turn on and off, or 195 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: see doors slam. So now that you're an expert on 196 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: all things odd Fellows Home, let's have a chat with Jesse. 197 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: I actually met Jesse and his wife Melissa when we 198 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: filmed Ghost Hunters at the home so many years ago, 199 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: and we hit it off, Daly, I mean, of course 200 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: we did. A family who loves to travel and owns 201 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: a haunted winery. Let's just say we were fast friends. 202 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Jesse, thank you for having me, 203 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: of course. So can you kind of explain how you 204 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: came into owning and running a haunted winery in sure? Yeah, 205 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: so my wife's parents, they originally acquired the property directly 206 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: from the odd Fellows, the odd Fellows that had the 207 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: property for about a hundred years, and we acquired it 208 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: in My in law's dream was to turn the winery property, 209 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: which it was actually just a nursing home, and at 210 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: that time they wanted to turn the proper me into 211 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: a winery and then a bed and breakfast as well, 212 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: and so we started making making those changes and renovating 213 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: just to make the winery and then eventually we've fulfilled 214 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: what they wanted and about the last five years we 215 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: completed the in as well, and now they have it 216 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: all m So can you just kind of explain who 217 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: the odd Fellows were? Yeah? So the odd Fellows is 218 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: a fraternal order and charitable order, much like the Mason, Shriners, 219 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: Knights of Columbus. Those type of groups, the lodges would 220 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: be located in each individual city, um they would be 221 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: everywhere the height of the organization, which was in the 222 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: thirties and the forties, and so they would have the 223 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: meetings in those lodges, and they would also hold the 224 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: rituals in those lodges, and the ritual was based on 225 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: Old and New Testament teachings, mainly the parable that goods 226 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: the Briton. And then in addition, they would also have 227 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: what they called Odd Fellows homes, and they were one 228 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: or two in each state, and their purpose was strictly charitable. 229 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: They were looking to take care of the orphans, take 230 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: care of the poor, how's retired people. And then also 231 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: in some cases they would have a hospital there as well. Okay, 232 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: so were these buildings where they open to just members 233 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: of the Odd Fellows or were these places that anyone 234 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: in the community could make use of, so a mixture 235 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: of both. They had the orphanage which could be open 236 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: to the public, and they were just there to take 237 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: care of anybody who needed help in that regard. Usually 238 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily that the family was giving up the 239 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: orphan It was more a situation where, for example, in 240 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: the twenties thirties fourries, they couldn't always feed their family members, 241 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: all of them in some cases, and so they would 242 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: drop off, usually the younger members of the family. The 243 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: older families they would keep on the farm because they 244 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: were able to work, whereas the younger kids, they would 245 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: take them to these orphanages where they be fed and 246 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: taking care of and clothes, and then eventually when the 247 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: family got back on their feet, they would come back 248 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: and get the orphans. Hopefully. I didn't. I was not 249 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: aware of that. I just I feel like everybody assumes 250 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: orphans means no parents or no family. Yeah, yeah, in 251 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: some cases, I mean. And and it was kind of 252 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: weird too, because in the case of the orphanage, the 253 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: families would actually come visit them periodically in many cases, 254 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: um and so we have a lot of stories where, 255 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: for example, a family might have six kids and three 256 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: of them were at the orphanage, and then three of 257 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: them were at home working on the farm on the property, 258 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: and every two to three weeks the family would usually 259 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: come on a Sunday after church, they would come and 260 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: visit the other kids. They would hang out, they would 261 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: have a picnic, just do family things like everything was normal. 262 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: And then at the end of the afternoon, the family 263 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: would head back with the older kids back to the farm, 264 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: and then the younger kids would be left there for 265 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: another two to three weeks before they saw their family again. 266 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: It's it's so poor into what we think about now, 267 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, as as as how things run. But at 268 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: the time that was that was very normal. That was 269 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: just a way that the private organizations helped people. But 270 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: it was just a way of life, and that was 271 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: how they survived during that time. So why Liberty, Like, 272 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: I know, when I when I get to the winery, 273 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: when will you arrive? It's really set away from everything, 274 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: you know. Is there a reason why they picked Liberty 275 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: in particular? So generally speaking, they obviously turned to try 276 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: to be relatively close to bigger cities, which obviously Kansas 277 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: City is only about oh fifteen minute drive twenty minute 278 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: drive tops. So what they would try to do is 279 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: get towards those big population centers where there was the 280 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: most need. In the case of Liberty, Liberty actually originally 281 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: was going to house a Mason's home there, and what 282 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: happened was is that deal fell through, and so then 283 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: the city of Liberty offered the odd Fellows seventeen thousand 284 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: dollars and that would have been which is a lot 285 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: of money back then. But they offered that money to 286 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: them and said, hey, will you come and take what 287 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: the building, which was basically a bankrupt hotel. And so 288 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: they had this large hotel on the edge of their 289 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: town and they wanted to do something with it, so 290 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: they offered them this money to come in and set 291 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: something up, and that's how they came to be at 292 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: the property. It was also really close to the river 293 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: and a major road which was nice as well, so 294 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: that's originally how they came to that property. Did you 295 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: ever have any connection to the Winter Hotel or the 296 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: Red Springs Hotel or anything like that. Yes, So that 297 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: was the hotel that I just spoke of that was bankrupt. 298 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: So it originally the original building was a wood structure 299 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: on the site and it was built in eighteen eighty. 300 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: It was called the Winter Hotel initially um and that 301 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: was the person that actually built it, and then later 302 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: it became the Red Springs Hotel as well. But there 303 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: was actually a full plan for the entire property. Originally 304 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: it was supposed to be a community with lots of 305 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: houses and businesses, and there was actually a horse racing 306 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: track out in front of the property that they did 307 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: actually build and was used for a period of time. 308 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: But all that was supposed to happen this giant community 309 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: just outside of Liberty, and then basically they built a hotel. 310 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: It did all right for about a decade, and then 311 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: there was a real estate crash early in the eighteen 312 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: nineties and the Mr Winner who owned the place, he 313 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: basically lost all his properties, and so that's how it 314 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: became a bankrupt hotel and became for sale, and that's 315 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: how the odd Fellows ended up with it. I see, now, 316 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: did that building burn down or is that one of 317 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: the structures that's still there? Correct? So the odd Fellows 318 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: got the property with the original hotel in and turned 319 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: that into an orphanage. And then on Valentine's Day nineteen hundred, 320 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: in that building, the cook who was there, they had 321 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: a frozen pipe and he wasn't able to do what 322 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: he needed to do to cook the meals, and so 323 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: he actually went down in the basement and was using 324 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: a blowtorch to heat the pipe, and part of the 325 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: blowtorch evidently caught part of that wood section on fire. 326 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: He didn't know it initially, that's what happened, and of 327 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: course it went up flames in a hurry because it 328 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: was a wood structure. And that's actually one of the 329 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: main reasons that the current building is built with, you know, 330 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: eighteen inch brick walls, because the odd fillo is to 331 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: not want that to happen again, and so they built 332 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: one of the most fire resistant structures in the United 333 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: States at that time because they didn't want to have 334 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: another wood truck that might go up again. Yes, so 335 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: we're the other buildings present when that Orphanage building was rebuilt. 336 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: The Orphanage building was the original building it was built 337 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: in that's also the current winery building. And then the 338 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: second building that was built was the schoolhouse next door. 339 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: It was built in nineteen o two. Then the old 340 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: Folks Home was built in nineteen o five, and then 341 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: finally the medical hospital at the far end it was 342 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: built in the early twenties. Okay, I just I noticed, 343 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: like when you when you go there, the Orphanage which 344 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: is now the winery is just it is in Obviously 345 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: it's in great shape because you guys did a lot 346 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: of renovating on it and things. But I feel like 347 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: that building has just kind of stood the test of 348 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: time better than some of the others because the other 349 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: ones are they're just wide open to the elements and 350 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: they it's so surreal because you roll up there and 351 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: you see this big, you know, structure, and then you 352 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: see these other structures around it that are covered in 353 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: vines and are wide open, and just it looks like 354 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: it should be haunted. And you would never expect to 355 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: walk into to the winery building and find this like 356 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: beautifully restored you know, obviously the winery and the bar, 357 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: and then upstairs this beautiful in I don't know, I 358 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 1: always feel like it's just such a contrast between that 359 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: building and the other buildings and how they have kind 360 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: of fared over the years. Yeah, and it's a it's 361 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: a lesson obviously and kind of choose your poison as 362 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: far as you know, when you're dealing with these properties. 363 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,719 Speaker 1: You know, we've spent a few million on the building 364 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 1: that we do have, you know, but it literally if 365 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: we want to do all the buildings, it literally costs 366 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: like tens of millions of dollars, and a lot of 367 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: people are wondering, you know, well, why don't you restore 368 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: them all? It's like, well, they cost a lot of 369 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: money to make to make history happen in those cases, 370 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: and so you know, as much as we'd like to 371 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: just blow right through them and do them all, you 372 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: kind of have to stagger it so that you're able 373 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: to afford it and not go you know, like Mr 374 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: Winner go bankrupt in the process. Exactly, exactly. Now, let's 375 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: talk about just you know, why it's haunted over the 376 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: years throughout those buildings. How many people do you think 377 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: passed away on that property? The off Fellows have just 378 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: over ten thou recorded deaths on site. Most of those 379 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: are obviously in the nursing home, the old folks home, 380 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: in the hospital. You know, I mean the hospital for 381 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: the first half of the last century. It wasn't always 382 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: a place that you were cured. Sometimes in some cases 383 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: it was a place where you were just brought to 384 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: be comfortable. You know, they didn't have things like antibiotics 385 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: and stuff like that for a long period of time, 386 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: and so stuff that you know, we cure easily, they 387 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't cured easily back then. And then in addition, 388 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: there were lots of residents. I mean, between the nursing 389 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: home and the old Folks Home, there's about two rooms 390 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: in those two buildings, so you can imagine how many 391 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: people were going in and out. And it wasn't a 392 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: situation where they had a lot of long term residents. Necessarily, 393 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: they were coming in out relatively quickly. And in fact, 394 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: we have the cemetery on site which acts about six 395 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: hundred graves. And it's easy to see too if you 396 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: go up there that most of the graves that are 397 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: up there, I think there's only about five orphans or 398 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: something like that. Most of the graves up there are 399 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: people who lived into their eighties and nineties, and we 400 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: don't always think about that because so many times, you know, 401 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: they tell people, oh, well, they didn't live as long 402 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: back then, but there was a lot of people that 403 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: did still live that long, and so a lot of 404 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: those people up there have lived a long life and 405 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: and passed away on the property. Yeah, and it sounds 406 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: like when it was built, it was it was state 407 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: of the art, but then at some point it kind 408 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: of started falling behind, you know, was there kind of 409 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: a shift or turn as far as the conditions there 410 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah, the first shift, the major shift 411 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: that happened was, you know, when you have federal government 412 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: takes over things like well fair and child protective services. 413 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: For many years, these kind of places provided those kind 414 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: of services, and the ones that that change took place 415 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: in the federal government started covering some of those kind 416 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: of things, there was no need for those things there. 417 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: As a result, there was a situation where something that 418 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: was a stream of revenue that was providing maintenance in 419 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: a lot of cases suddenly wasn't there anymore, and your 420 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: left basically with a nursing home at that point. And 421 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: while you know, theoretically you could do that, it's much 422 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: more difficult to run that kind of a property with 423 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: that size where it's only a nursing home in a 424 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: lot of cases. To the odd fellows, they would pay 425 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: a stipend throughout their life as an odd Fellow, and 426 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: then if they paid for a certain number of years, 427 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: they would get free retirement at the site. While that 428 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: was a great idea in principle, what happened was as 429 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 1: you go along, they didn't get as many new members 430 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: coming in and so as a result, there was less 431 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: of a revenue stream coming in to support all these 432 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: people being taken care of at the nursing home, and 433 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: as a result, you know, then they suddenly had these 434 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: behemoth properties with not enough revenue coming in to support them. 435 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: And so it seems like probably the closures were sort 436 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: of staggers, and then, like you said before, by the 437 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: time your wife's family purchased at it was just the 438 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: nursing home and operation. Correct. Yeah, correct, there's only one 439 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: building in operation at that time, and I think there 440 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: was only about fifteen residents there, so it's not very many. 441 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: And in fact, the building where the winery is it 442 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: was actually closed for no I'd say, about five to 443 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: eight years before we even got it as well, so 444 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: it was already in somewhat of a stated decay and 445 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: we were we got it in and restarted from the 446 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: studs basically. So why why do you think Why do 447 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: you think it's haunted? Um? I think it's a mixture 448 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: of things. UM. In the winery building, I don't think. 449 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's a situation where it's a 450 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: threatening thing in any way. It's more playful usually, which 451 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: makes sense. I mean, there's mostly kids there in some cases. 452 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean, most of the residents that were there that 453 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: we've met who used to be orphans, they said it 454 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: was actually a nice place to stay. They were well 455 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: taken care of, and they didn't really have any issues 456 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: with staying there other than the fact they would have 457 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: rather been home with their families obviously. But you know, 458 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: I think I think some of them actually had some 459 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: good times with some good friends there and and still 460 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: enjoy it. And there were a few that passed away there. 461 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it does happened. As far as the other buildings, 462 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: you know, it's more old age and those kind of things. 463 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: A lot of those buildings, it's more of a vibe 464 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: like they don't want you there. It's kind of like 465 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: grumpy old people kind of thing where you don't feel 466 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: welcome there necessarily just because they'd rather not have you there. 467 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I don't know that 468 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: those people necessarily enjoyed their stay as much as maybe 469 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: the orphans did. So I think it's why there's a 470 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: totally different vibe there. And of course just the simple 471 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: fact that so many people passed away there. We've come 472 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: across a few other situations. There's a one week in 473 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: the mid thirties the summer where they had like seven 474 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: residents pass away from a heat wave. It just literally 475 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: got up to like a hundred nine degrees for several 476 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: days in a row, and those residents were in the 477 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: building and they literally just you know, overheated to death. 478 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: And there there was a suicide on site one that 479 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: we know of. UM, some other situations, but you know, 480 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: there's plenty of life events that happened in those buildings, 481 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: so I don't think it should be all that surprising. 482 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: What would you say is the most common occurrences that 483 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: people report, either in the in in winery or just 484 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: in the buildings. UM. I think the two main things 485 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: are voices. It seems like there's a lot of situations 486 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: where you feel like you'll be in the building all 487 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: alone and you'll hear conversations down the hallways. It will 488 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: be more than one person. As you walk toward, it 489 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: just kind of goes away. The other thing is very 490 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: prevalent is footsteps in the other buildings. A lot of 491 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: times you can actually hear them. In some cases. It's 492 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: kind of weird because even though all the breed that's 493 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: on the floor wasn't there at the time those people 494 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: were there. In most cases, you can actually hear the floor, 495 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: you can hear the crunching, you can hear the noises, 496 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: which is probably unique. I don't know if that's common 497 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: or not, but I feel like that's something that doesn't 498 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: always happen. I feel like sometimes you'll have a normal 499 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: footstep if I despite the fact that there's kind of 500 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: free on the floor, that should be making a different town. 501 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: H It's such an interesting, um influx of visitors that 502 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: you have because you know, having visited many times, you 503 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: have people who are definitely there just to kind of 504 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: enjoy the winery and in the sceneries. It's beautiful, you know, 505 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: the land and everything in the views, and then you 506 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: definitely have the people that are there just to look 507 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: for ghosts. And how is that received in the community. Um, 508 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's something they've grown accustomed to. 509 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: Even before we open the property, you know, there are 510 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: rumors of paranormal activity. I can say we didn't really 511 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: experience that much before. Um, you know, we were out 512 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: there more often, which would have been around two thousand 513 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: eight somewhere in that range. We didn't really experience that 514 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 1: much out there. To be honest with you, Once we 515 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 1: were out there more often, I think it became more obvious, 516 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: and it was a situation where, you know, we couldn't 517 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: really hide from it. There was so much talk in 518 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: the community. In a lot of cases, it's an institution 519 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: that a lot of people in the community were involved in. 520 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, people come in, you know, when they're tasting 521 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: tasting wine and things like that, and they'll tell stories 522 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: about you know, when I was a kid fifty years ago, 523 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: I used to come out and sing for the old 524 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: folks home for caroling, you know, or the boy Scouts 525 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: used to paint some kind of pesticide on the bottom 526 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: three feet of all the trees. You have painted trees 527 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: throughout the property, or all those kind of things, and 528 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: all those people came out, and so it's been such 529 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: an integral part of the community for so long. I 530 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: think at this point people are just glad that they're 531 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: able to come visit it again and and see the 532 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: history and all that kind of stuff. And and in 533 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: a lot of cases we have people who come multiple times, 534 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: and they keep bringing different people, and in some cases 535 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 1: they're just you know, they'll go out and do their 536 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: own tour and tell the history and we don't even 537 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: have to do the work for them. That is nice 538 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: to have. It is interesting because so many times when 539 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: we investigate places like that, you know, we don't ever 540 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: really get to talk to people who truly spent time there. 541 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: But that is one difference there that it was such 542 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: a huge part of the community for so long, Like 543 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: you have generations of people who either knew someone who 544 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: spent time there or who worked there. Because I know, 545 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: when we were filming Kindred, we kind of put a 546 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: call out at the last minute because we wanted to 547 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: kind of do this experiment and bring out people who 548 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: had some sort of attachment to the building, and we 549 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: got a huge response, Like it was not hard to 550 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: find people who had, you know, actually spend time in 551 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: those walls when it was functioning. Yeah, absolutely, so real talk. 552 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: How many times have your in guests left in the 553 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: middle of the night. We actually we actually keep a 554 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: running count and the current count is seventeen rooms I've 555 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: left in the middle of the night so far. So 556 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: and that's in four years time. So you know, about 557 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: every two to three months we get somebody who just 558 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: flat out all the building is done for the nights, 559 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to stay here. There are other nights 560 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: or other situations where we do have you know, they 561 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: get freaked out, but maybe they don't leave. We had 562 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: one where there was a couple that was staying and 563 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: they woke up in the middle of the night and 564 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: had voices and one of the people felt somebody sitting 565 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: down on the bed next to where they were sleeping. 566 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: I said, they were done, and they went out to 567 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: the car, and the spouse was like, I'm all right 568 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: with that, and so the spouse actually stayed in the 569 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: room while the other person went out and slept in 570 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: the car for the last four hours. Oh my goodness. 571 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: They're lucky their marriage survived that, you know. And it's 572 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: funny because I started, uh, I started this podcast kind 573 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: of reading off some experiences because you have journals in 574 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: every room for people to you know, just you know, 575 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: write their experiences down, which is really great because we 576 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: always recommend that to people when they're researching their hauntings, 577 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: is to keep kind of a running log, and so 578 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: you have people doing that for you. But yeah, one 579 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: of them act she wasn't experience just like that. A 580 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: lot of people seem to feel someone sitting down on 581 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: their beds. You know, I know me personally, I always 582 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: stay in the bridal suite, of course, and that I've 583 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: had the bathroom light turned on and off in their 584 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: multiple times. And I've also had the door open and 585 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: clothes in there, and I've heard so many sounds. Like 586 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: I know, when I stay there, I'm not frightened in 587 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: the slightest, but I do usually wear ear plugs or 588 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: have a fan going so I don't have to hear 589 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: all the sounds that are happening around me, because I 590 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: swear I've heard footsteps there a few times too. Yeah, 591 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: they have. UM. There was one couple that was in 592 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: there that um. As you know, our rooms are next 593 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: each other, our standard rooms are next to each other, 594 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: and so they were staying in room nine, which is 595 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: right next room seven. And in the morning they came 596 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: out and I said hi and greeted them and asked 597 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: asked them how their night was, and they said, well, 598 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: it was fine until their neighbors started making a bunch 599 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: of noise and said, oh, that's terrible what happened. So 600 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: they talked about it. I think it was like four 601 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: in the morning they heard footsteps next door and a 602 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: bunch of talking, and they were annoyed, and I even 603 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: got the impression that maybe they were going to ask 604 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: for some money back or something like that, because they 605 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: were so frustrated with the situation. And I said, well, 606 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: let me check, and so I went over to the 607 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: computer and pulled it up. There was nobody staying in 608 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: Room seven the entire night. We didn't have a key 609 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: out for that. And I said, I don't have anybody 610 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: in that room. I said, there's literally nobody there, and 611 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: and I said, I feel free to take a peek. 612 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: And they came around and looked and realized that there 613 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: was nobody in that room, and they actually apologized to 614 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: me on the spot and said, I am so sorry. 615 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: Apparently we got what we're looking for and we just 616 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: didn't know. It's I think that hotels sometimes worry about 617 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: having that reputation, and I'm constantly explaining to them that 618 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: it's very rare that that is going to stop from 619 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: someone from staying in a hotel. It might make them 620 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: leave in the middle of the night, but even that's 621 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: pretty rare. Yes, yes, absolutely, we have. Generally speaking, it's 622 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: been a very positive experience as far as that goes. Now, 623 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: I feel as though the Morgue to me in the 624 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: nursing home, and then I would say probably out. I 625 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: can't even pick which spot is the most active paranormally 626 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: speaking to me, Um, I do know the morgue has 627 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: notoriously been a spot where I've had a male voice 628 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: down there talk to me. I've had something grabbed my 629 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: arm down there. Chip Coffee famously had his arm grabbed 630 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: in the morgue. What spot do you think has kind 631 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: of the most extreme activity, um, I would say that 632 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: morgue as well, actually, and some of it I would 633 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: attribute to when I go down there, I just don't 634 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: feel comfortable in any way, shape or form. I mean, 635 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: it's a situation where it's cold, it's clammy. There's literally 636 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: like doors all around you. You know, there's kind of 637 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: that central area where there's you know, everywhere you look 638 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: there's a door staring at you. It's a it's total darkness. 639 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: You know, even one of the doors that has nurses 640 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: locker room where you know they're still closed in there 641 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: from forty years ago. And let the left there like 642 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: just happened yesterday almost and you know, all that just 643 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: kind of there's a big vibe down there, and you 644 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: can just feel it almost feels like a buzz. I 645 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: just don't I don't like it much. I mean, I'm 646 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: happy to go in most the areas, and I'll go 647 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: into the morgue as well, but you know, I won't 648 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: go down there unless I have. Yeah, there's times where 649 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: we're doing events. They are a group investigations, and you know, 650 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: I've had to move from like point A to point 651 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: B by myself. And you know, I have this thing 652 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: I do when I'm in a really haunted space and 653 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: I'm nervous, which I get nervous. I can't help it, 654 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: especially when you've been grabbed in the dark by something 655 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: you can't see. But I tend to whistle or hum 656 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: because I feel like nothing bad can happen. And so 657 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: if I'm whistling or humming in a cheerful way, because 658 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: it's quicker sometimes to go through the morgue to get 659 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: to the you know, because sometimes there's people up on 660 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 1: the upper level or that door's locked, and so whenever 661 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: I have to do that, I'm like humming and whistling 662 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: and rushing through there as quick as I can. And 663 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: that's the one spot that I do that, so, you know, 664 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: and I think that, having investigated there so many times, 665 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: I do think that there is something to the idea, 666 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: like we explored on the episode of Kindred we did there, 667 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: that people start kind of bringing that energy with them, 668 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: and people investigate there so often that certain areas that 669 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: get that reputation they almost kind of perpetuate that energy 670 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: and it stays there. And and the morgue and the 671 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,919 Speaker 1: nursing home in particular, I think are perfect examples of that. Yeah, 672 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: and I get a heavy feeling of in that In 673 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: that building as well, I'm always looking over my shoulder 674 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: and it's not a it's not a situation where you're like, 675 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, a little freaked out kind of thing. I mean, 676 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: I've been there for almost three decades now, that seems 677 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: like forever. But I don't get freaked out easily. It doesn't. 678 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: It takes a lot for me to get freaked out. 679 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: But when you're in that building, it just really feels 680 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: like something's just standing over your shoulder. I mean, it's 681 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it. That sounds weird 682 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: and ridiculous, but it's true. I Mean, it just totally 683 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 1: feels like something's watching you. Yeah, I mean, I can't 684 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: even begin to imagine who it could be. There's any 685 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: number of people it could be. We've we've done so 686 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: much digging, we've done so much historical research, We've gotten 687 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: so many names. We've actually had spirits there identify themselves 688 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: to us before. We we've had a spirit correct the 689 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: pronunciation of their name to us before. But whoever that 690 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: is in the nursing home and the morgue, they remain anonymous. 691 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: They won't tell us really much of anything, and they 692 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: seem to just kind of exists there, and they tend 693 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: to scare people a lot. Well, I think that that's 694 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: it for now, unless there's anything you want anyone to 695 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: know about investigating there, any activity that happens there, Like 696 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: if there's any message you want to get across to 697 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: people who plan on visiting, this is a good time 698 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: to do that. No, not really. I mean, you know, 699 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: most people realize it's really tough to investigate the wider 700 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: in the most part because our tours that we have 701 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: they sell out really quickly. You know, hopefully everyone gets 702 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: the opportunity that wants to eventually, But I mean it's 703 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: a it's a wonderful place to visit. It. It's a 704 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: wonderful place to learn about a lot of history that 705 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: you wouldn't normally learn about um And I always tell people, 706 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, paranormal activity is a great way to teach 707 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: people about history without them necessarily knowing that you're teaching 708 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: them something. I mean, if we just had buildings and 709 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: we were telling them about the Odd Fellows, they wouldn't 710 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: pay attention. But when we talk about the Odd Fellows 711 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: and their paranormal activity behind, it's suddenly everybody's very interesting 712 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: what's going on. So that's a great part of the 713 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: property and a great part of the learning experience. You 714 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: know that people enjoy when they come to the winery, 715 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: So I think that's fantastic. Well, thank you for your time. 716 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate it everyone. I do encourage you to visit 717 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: the winery and in if you're in the area, or 718 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: make a special trip for it, because it's worth it. 719 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: There's so much to see and do nearby as well. 720 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: And you know, like I said in the beginning of 721 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: the interview, Jesse and his family and the winery all 722 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: have a very special place in my heart. It's place 723 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 1: unlike any other, so um highly recommend very haunted, lots 724 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: of great stories, lots of great history. So Jesse, thank 725 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: you so much. I super appreciate your time. I love 726 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: the evolution of the Odd Fellows complex, and I love 727 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: the acceptance of the owners in embracing their ghosts. But 728 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: over the years things have gotten a little darker in 729 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: certain corners of those crumbling buildings. Well, I don't think 730 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: the place is infested with demons or anything. I don't 731 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: think you can have a space like that with paranormal 732 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: investigators going in and out constantly, some terrified, some nervous, 733 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 1: some rehashing and discussing every tragedy or death that has 734 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: happened there without affecting the energy and the walls. It's 735 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: something we've seen time and time again with some of 736 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,959 Speaker 1: these more well known locations. And while those thoughts are inevitable, 737 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: it also lends to a valuable lesson. If you believe 738 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: in the power of paul positive thought, then you should 739 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: also entertain the power of negative thought and what that 740 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: means when you walk the dark house of an old 741 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: hospital thinking about every bad thing that happened there. Let's 742 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: turn that around, shall we. I'm going to focus on 743 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: those cozy beds in the inn and of course the 744 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: great wine. Though I do recommend traveling with a good 745 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: pair of ear plugs should you stay at the end. 746 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 1: So until next time on Haunted Road, cheers. Haunted Road 747 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and 748 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,760 Speaker 1: Mild from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and hosted 749 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: by Amy Bruney. Executive producers include Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, 750 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. The show is produced by rema Ill 751 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: Kali and Trevor Young. Taylor Haggerdorn is the show's researcher. 752 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I 753 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.