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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, the show that

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Speaker 1: more charming, more hilarious. We're sassy, sexy, and always searching

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Speaker 1: for a spotlight because it's Leo season, babe.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, we're going to give you a scouting

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Speaker 1: report for the Zambia Copper Queens ahead of Team usay's

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Speaker 1: Olympic soccer opener. Talk to US soccer icon Abby Wambach

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Speaker 1: about her confidence in the US team headed into the games,

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Speaker 1: plus Jill Ellis and soccer's culture problems, and so much more.

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Speaker 1: But first, here's what you need to know today. The

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Speaker 1: US women's national team plays its first soccer match of

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Speaker 1: the Olympic Tournament tomorrow against Zambia. More on that game

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Speaker 1: coming up later in the show. The viewership numbers for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four WNBA All Star Game were incredible.

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Speaker 1: Per the Athletics Richard Deitsch, the game had a record

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Speaker 1: three point four to four million viewers. The previous record

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Speaker 1: was one point four million. Women's soops, y'all, like a

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Speaker 1: mother rocket ship, we've got another female athlete cover star

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Speaker 1: this time. It's Team USA gymnast Jordan Childs, who Grace

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Speaker 1: is the cover of teen Vogues July August edition. We

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to watch her in Paris. Christina Williams new

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Speaker 1: women's basketball podcast, In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams,

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Speaker 1: launches today. Every week, she's going to break down the

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Speaker 1: biggest headlines and women's soups and sit down with some

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Speaker 1: of the biggest names in the game. You can listen

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app and wherever podcasts are streamed. We're

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Speaker 1: all very pumped to watch the US women's soccer team

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Speaker 1: open up their Olympic campaign tomorrow, July twenty fifth against

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Speaker 1: You can watch the game at three pm Eastern on

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Speaker 1: USA Network, Universo and Peacock. Here's what you need to

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Speaker 1: know about the Zambian team. We're going to start with

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Speaker 1: the unsettling and ongoing investigation into their coach. Head coach

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Speaker 1: Bruce Moape will not be allowed to have any private

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Speaker 1: we're having a conversation about a team who is expected

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Speaker 1: Sort of hard to believe that a coach would be

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Speaker 1: But here we are speaking of the players. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to these incredible Zambian players known as the Copper Queens,

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Speaker 1: and where else can we start? But Barbara Banda with

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Speaker 1: games in Olympic history. Forward Rachel Kundananji, who represented Zambia

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Speaker 1: expansion side BAFC, and midfielder Grace Chanda is set to

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Speaker 1: The field, absolutely no team is safe, especially since this

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Speaker 1: Old habits die screaming. While I'm optimistic about this killer

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Speaker 1: very short vacance in France. Finally, a Zambia fun fact.

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Speaker 2: Of the Skies, Take that, Zambia.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, Abby Wambach and I ruin one

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Speaker 1: of your favorite books from childhood by analyzing it through

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Speaker 2: Come on back.

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Speaker 1: Abby Wambach is a two time Olympic gold medalist, a

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Speaker 1: She's responsible for one of my all time favorite sporting

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Speaker 2: According to the Internet, It's The Giving Tree.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Sarah, This is a good place to start, because

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Speaker 1: And that, to me is also about nature, the tree

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Speaker 2: And the boy was man. And that's why I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, why you went to Ivy League school and I

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Speaker 1: which is maybe something I should go to therapy for.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get back to therapy and your podcasts

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Speaker 1: to talk Olympics just to start, because we are one

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Speaker 1: It's their first big tournament under their new head coach,

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Speaker 3: Talent is there, the players are good enough. It's the

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Speaker 3: That was the only thing I could control. My confidence

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Speaker 1: It's just too easy, you know, chemistry with coach, chemistry

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Speaker 3: We have this capacity within us that I think prevents

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Speaker 3: that flag and saying I care the most, I give

436
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Speaker 3: the most hits about this.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, You've talked about this on your podcast, even talking

438
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Speaker 1: about watching your kids play and Glennon not being your wife,

439
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: Glennon Doyle not being an athlete necessarily herself watching and

440
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Speaker 1: being amazed and impressed that people are earnestly giving their

441
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Speaker 1: best and putting it all out there and being vulnerable

442
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Speaker 1: in wanting so badly to win. And I think as

443
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 1: athletes we take that so for granted. And you know,

444
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: looking back as an athlete myself, same as you, it's like,

445
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Speaker 1: I sometimes I am amazed that I just was willing

446
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Speaker 1: to go out there and be like, I'm trying my

447
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: very hardest at something and if I fail, You're going

448
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: to know that I tried really hard and I still

449
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 1: couldn't do it.

450
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Speaker 2: And I think that's a lot for some people.

451
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Speaker 3: And I think, honestly, this is why when we have

452
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Speaker 3: watched some of the greatest athletes in the world of

453
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Speaker 3: all time, when we watch them play there's something about

454
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Speaker 3: them that draws us in. And yes, of course it's

455
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: because we assume that they're going to score that point,

456
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Speaker 3: score that goal, you know, throw the ball, well whatever,

457
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Speaker 3: But it also is in the way that they respond

458
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Speaker 3: to the moment. So the big moment against Brazil where

459
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Speaker 3: I score with my head, right, I deeply believe that

460
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Speaker 3: this moment only happens because there is this this first

461
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Speaker 3: of all, my fearlessness, heinos fearlessness in the moment of

462
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Speaker 3: going I don't care what happens. I care the most though,

463
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Speaker 3: that we're going to try, right. And so yeah, it's

464
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Speaker 3: like when you're a viewer of this and you're watching this,

465
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Speaker 3: you're like, yes, so much is on the line. But

466
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Speaker 3: watching people go, I'm going to give me the ball.

467
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Speaker 3: I can do it the last moment, the last second

468
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: play Michael Jordan, whoever? Yeah, and then and then and

469
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: then all of the other people in the world watching

470
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Speaker 3: this moment energetically willing this moment to happen. Like to me,

471
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Speaker 3: I just I find it's so fascinating. There's going to

472
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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's gonna be more science proving me correct

473
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: around that the energy of these moments matter. So watch

474
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Speaker 3: the team play, like send them good vibes, like positive

475
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: thinking this thing, that this moment could be the one

476
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Speaker 3: moment that changes the game.

477
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Speaker 2: So cool chills just thinking about it.

478
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Speaker 1: Every time I think about that goal and everything that

479
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Speaker 1: had to happen right in an exact moment. You know,

480
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Speaker 1: we're hearing a lot about gender parody at this Olympics,

481
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Speaker 1: and we of course love the increased numbers of women

482
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Speaker 1: competitors in the US has more women than men this

483
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Speaker 1: year as well, But there's only twelve women's soccer teams

484
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Speaker 1: and there's sixteen men's that ain't parody. Do you want

485
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Speaker 1: to see the women's tournament get up to sixteen too?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

487
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Speaker 3: I would love. I would love a bigger tournament for

488
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Speaker 3: a lot of reasons. I think that logistics play a

489
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Speaker 3: difficult role in this, and the length from opening ceremonies

490
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Speaker 3: to closing ceremonies, I think is much shorter than like

491
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Speaker 3: a World Cup length of a tournament. HI producer Alex

492
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Speaker 3: asi here noted, Olympic expert hate to nitpick, but it's

493
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Speaker 3: actually opening ceremony singular. Same goes for the closing ceremony,

494
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Speaker 3: So people don't really know this very often or even

495
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Speaker 3: are conscious of this. But the women's soccer teams, and

496
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Speaker 3: I think all the soccer games start before the opening Olympics,

497
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Speaker 3: before the ceremonies, so they can fit in the group

498
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Speaker 3: stage and then the knockout around stage games because otherwise

499
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Speaker 3: the games are just too close together and it's really different.

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Speaker 1: Well, already two days is crazy for a turnover for

501
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Speaker 1: a soccer athlete.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the fact that the men have a bigger

503
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Speaker 3: pool of teams, to me, it's just you know, FIFA

504
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: and the IOFC, this is like kind of they're just

505
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Speaker 3: very slow to jump on board with the way of

506
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Speaker 3: at least American world right. Yeah, I would love to

507
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Speaker 3: see them.

508
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Speaker 2: I think it's coming though.

509
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Speaker 1: I think we're seeing enough other countries that are improving

510
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Speaker 1: their federations that we're going to almost have to expand

511
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: that field. In your final World Cup, you played under

512
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Speaker 1: head coach Jill Ellis. She's now the president of the

513
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Speaker 1: San Diego Wave in the NWSL. She's been the subject

514
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Speaker 1: of recent criticism from former employees. Your former national team

515
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: teammate Sidney LaRue told the podcast a few years ago, quote,

516
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Speaker 1: we won in spite of her. She's not good for

517
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Speaker 1: people's mental health, that's for sure. The best thing was

518
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Speaker 1: for her to go unquote. There's still a lot of

519
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Speaker 1: reporting to be done about what happened with the wave

520
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Speaker 1: in general. But I wonder, you know why you think

521
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Speaker 1: women's soccer is still struggling with so many instances of

522
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: complaints about toxic workplaces. We saw a massive investigation in

523
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Speaker 1: the NWSL a couple of years ago that forced a

524
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Speaker 1: lot of coaches and owners out. And is there something

525
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: about the subjectivity of soccer where you can really convince

526
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Speaker 1: people that person isn't playing because we're in a different

527
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: format or you know, we're doing a different strategy and

528
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Speaker 1: that's why, and that subjectivity allows for mind games and

529
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Speaker 1: the bullshit that we see. Or why is soccer struggling

530
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Speaker 1: with this not just in Dan Diebussel, but the global level?

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Speaker 3: That question I have been asking also, Sarah. I don't

532
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Speaker 3: have an answer for this. I think probably what's happened

533
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Speaker 3: is the popularity of women's soccer grew faster than the

534
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Speaker 3: small town, small business owner mentality of some of the clubs,

535
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Speaker 3: the owners, the the understanding of you know, old school

536
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: versus modern ways of thinking, and there's a there's been

537
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: a transition period, right that has I think kind of

538
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: been difficult for some of the older coachings, you know,

539
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: the players and that became coaches. We were all raised

540
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Speaker 3: playing under coaches in certain ways, with certain cultures, with

541
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Speaker 3: certain mindsets. Uh. And now this younger generation has come

542
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Speaker 3: in and there's just like a different vibe, rightfully. So

543
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Speaker 3: of course, like every new generation that comes in, they

544
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: think differently because they've experienced the world differently. And I

545
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: don't think that the two have caught up. I don't

546
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: think that they're they're like seeing eye to eye. I

547
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Speaker 3: don't know that answer. I really don't. And and and

548
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: it makes me sad in so many ways because I

549
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: don't think that one side is all right and the

550
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: other side is all wrong. I really don't. I do

551
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: think that there are, like, you know, obvious bad actors

552
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: that need to be on the outside of these teams,

553
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: that need to not be working in women's sports ever. Again,

554
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Speaker 3: I think that I think that, you know, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know much about the Jill Ellis situation, and

557
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: I can't really speak to it, but I do know

558
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: my experience with Jill, and it has always been positive.

559
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: She's always had the like the team's best interest at heart. Uh.

560
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: And I understand that, like when players don't get minutes

561
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: and don't and aren't given what they think that they deserve.

562
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Speaker 3: I also understand that that it's hard to be objective

563
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: in those moments. It really is. It's hard to know. Now,

564
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about sexual assault here. I'm not talking

565
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: about some of the coaching the coaches that have have

566
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: really violated the players and their and their rights. But

567
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: being in a coaching position is really difficult because you

568
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: have to make hard decisions that really affect players' lives.

569
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Speaker 3: But I just think that it's like a young, a

570
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: young industry that is also being seen by a lot

571
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: more people now popularity wise, and the expectation of of

572
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: you know, NFL level professionalism is there, but it's just

573
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: not we haven't had that many years in existence to

574
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: have that level of professionalism or even like a way

575
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: of operating. I mean, listen, it's like a brand new business,

576
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 3: like we've got to figure out more, you know. And

577
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Speaker 3: I bet if we were to go back at at

578
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Speaker 3: the beginning of all these huge, you know, major league

579
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: sports that we now watch and love, I bet that

580
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: they had a ton of issues you know that we

581
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Speaker 3: don't remember.

582
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of them still do. Exactly a

583
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Speaker 1: lot of them still do. And I do think you know,

584
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Speaker 1: it's it's an unfair question in part because it's like

585
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: basically asking why are there issues anytime women are involved

586
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Speaker 1: in anything in the world.

587
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: Exactly, It's like, well, let's.

588
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Speaker 1: Start with, like, you know, the patriarchy and all the

589
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: other things that trickle down into the literally everything we do.

590
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Speaker 1: I love your podcast so much. It has literally changed

591
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Speaker 1: my life. And I know you've heard that from so

592
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: many people, millions of people. I listen to every episode.

593
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: I take so much away from it, including the episodes

594
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: that I start and I think this isn't going to

595
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: be for me, and by the end, I go, gosh,

596
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: I learned so much and it makes me see people

597
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: who have this or do that or feel this way differently.

598
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: Just has made me a better human being. I wonder

599
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: what you're digging into right now. Are you reading a book,

600
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: are you circling a topic, are you like honed on

601
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: something that you're thinking you want to bring to the pot.

602
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the my update on my brother passing away

603
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: is coming out pretty soon, So I am I am

604
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: pretty deep in the grief game right now, and it is.

605
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: It has been hard and terrifying and beautiful and difficult

606
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 3: and probably one of the most illuminating things that's ever

607
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: happened in my life as a person on this planet.

608
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm definitely in the I'm kind of

609
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: in this weird like mortality place where I'm accepting that

610
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Speaker 3: I'm going to die because I think that I avoided it,

611
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: like like the plague my whole life.

612
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: Like a lot of us.

613
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I am also coming to terms with like

614
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Speaker 3: I'm trying like the thing that I'm trying on right now,

615
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: like as a as a way of thinking or like

616
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: a philosophy is like equal parts. Everything matters, all the

617
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: things matter, and then also nothing matters. Yeah, Like I

618
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: can't wrap my mind around how everything is everything and

619
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: nothing is also and everything is also nothing? Yeah, Like

620
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: how it can it can end just like that? And

621
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Speaker 3: then how can I how can I rationalize or or

622
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: choose to participate in my life in a way that

623
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: brings me meaning? And then I go down the rabbit

624
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: hole like well then what like what is meaning making?

625
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Speaker 3: And why am I actually doing it? Is it just

626
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: to pass the time? Is it to make myself feel

627
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Speaker 3: good while I pass the time while I'm here, And

628
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: so I'm just like in this weird like existential and

629
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to say mid life crisis because I

630
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: think we get that. I think that it's wrong to stay.

631
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 3: I think it's like mid life questioning where I'm like, yeah,

632
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: I just like awakening crisis. It makes me feel like

633
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 3: I'm pulling my hair out and like going to buy

634
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: like a red Porsche or something like. No, I'm just

635
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 3: like I'm like sitting with like real questions and I'm

636
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 3: really trying to understand. I don't know ram Das. He

637
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: has this awesome documentary called Becoming Nobody, and essentially this

638
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: really rings true to me. Essentially, like the idea of

639
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 3: human's life is like, we spend so much of our time,

640
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: especially the first half of our life, becoming somebody. And

641
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: this documentary is like and it's Buddhist and meditative and

642
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: trying to be hitting, you know, trying to find nirvana

643
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: and enlightenment. And I think the the idea of becoming

644
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: nobody is something that I think that that might be

645
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: the journey that I'm going to be going on for

646
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Speaker 3: the rest of my life.

647
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Speaker 2: This is going to help a lot of people.

648
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Speaker 1: Talking about grief and talking about this point in your

649
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Speaker 1: life is going to help a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: I know.

651
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Speaker 1: I was an a void for a long time and

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Speaker 1: And so I look forward to hearing that and for

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Speaker 1: I'm some of my favorite times are just watching you

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Speaker 2: So that's going to be super fun. Abby, You're the best.

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always for coming on having a soccer insight,

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