Speaker 1: Welcome back to return to the Shadows. Tom. How are
Speaker 1: you this morning? I'm very well. It's afternoon for me.
Speaker 1: Fortunately it's not bright and early for me. It's two
Speaker 1: o'clock here, which is lovely. But I'm doing very well.
Speaker 1: How are you. I'm good. I'm good. For those who
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm Katherine McNamara, I'm Dominic Sherwood. And here
Speaker 1: we are on our lovely shadow Hunters. This is a
Speaker 1: rewatch episode. Tom Sure is episode episode one oh eight
Speaker 1: and it is entitled bad Blood. Also a great Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift song. The episode originally aired on March first, sixteen,
Speaker 1: and the writer is Alison Reimer. The director was Jeremiah S.
Speaker 1: S Chick. Apologies Jeremiah. We rarely talk about people with
Speaker 1: their last names. It's true well, and this is one
Speaker 1: of those directors. He came in for this one episode.
Speaker 1: He never ended up coming back, but we all had
Speaker 1: such a lovely at least from my memory, had a
Speaker 1: lovely time working with him. Although my I was definitely
Speaker 1: out of my mind during this episode given the subject matter. Um,
Speaker 1: but we have all of our series regulars, including guests,
Speaker 1: a lot of guest stars. This episode we had Alan
Speaker 1: Van Sprang, maxim Roy, David Castro, John course Oh, and
Speaker 1: a new guest star, Stephanie Bennett as Lydia Brandwell. Caitlin
Speaker 1: Leeb is back, Christina Cox's back, Nicola kred I Mute
Speaker 1: is back, Paulino Nunez uh Susannah Fournier is back as
Speaker 1: young Joscelyn nikem pro Voes back as young Luke, Jordan
Speaker 1: hudumas Samuel Blackwell, and Jack Fulton as Max Whitewood. We
Speaker 1: got a whole full house this episode. Wow. Good job
Speaker 1: as far as what we're going to watch this episode,
Speaker 1: difficult decisions must be made. Alec and Clary are forced
Speaker 1: to make some hard decisions with the word of Alec,
Speaker 1: Jason Isabelle's extracurricular activities, with Clary reaching the Clave and
Speaker 1: envoy is sent to observe the Lightwoods running the New
Speaker 1: York Institute. Once the Clave representative arrives, it is very
Speaker 1: clear how much trouble the Lightwoods are in that. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Clary is faced with a devastating decision done don't. Shooting
Speaker 1: for this episode began on August eleven, at the height
Speaker 1: of Mosquito season and uh. This features a lot of
Speaker 1: book moments. This episode is very book heavy between a
Speaker 1: lot of for both of our characters in particular. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as you one of the things that has remained in
Speaker 1: my possession is that the statue of the falcon that
Speaker 1: was in my room. I still have one of the
Speaker 1: very few Do we have this falcon that was he
Speaker 1: in your room first season as well? Or was it
Speaker 1: just when they built like I didn't have a room
Speaker 1: first season? You had that one that they've built for
Speaker 1: one the universal room that was sort of anybody's room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was that one, that one training episode. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: we all we actually got bedrooms, like actual proper bedroom
Speaker 1: season two. So yeah, this season I didn't have a
Speaker 1: bedroom or a falcon, but seasons who I did. This
Speaker 1: is something I forgot about. Lydia Brandwell is not a
Speaker 1: character in the books. She's a new character that was
Speaker 1: created for the series, one of the first. The brand
Speaker 1: Wells are one of the shadow Hunter families, but Lydia
Speaker 1: is a character that they are writer's room created as
Speaker 1: sort of a obstacle for a lot of the Lightwoods
Speaker 1: and many of their storylines this season. Interesting is it
Speaker 1: in the books that her ancestors and Magnus Spain's created
Speaker 1: the first portal? Is that a book thing? That is
Speaker 1: a book thing? And Henry and Charlotte Brandwell ran the
Speaker 1: London Institute, got it? Why don't we shoot in London?
Speaker 1: Would have loved to shoot, right, we should have. Well,
Speaker 1: if they ever do the Infernal Devices and you know,
Speaker 1: we popped back into play our ancestors, then we might
Speaker 1: shoot in London. Yeah, maybe it out there, put it
Speaker 1: out there. So when we start this episode, we have
Speaker 1: a we have a little bit of what I like
Speaker 1: to call Jason Clary google eyes over the cup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting, son, Yeah, quickly brought out of our
Speaker 1: reverie by this. Doesn't Alec come in and interrupt us?
Speaker 1: Doesn't that what happens? I think it's Isabelle first with
Speaker 1: the whip. That's right. Is he steals it from us?
Speaker 1: We do googly eyes in public too often. There's too much,
Speaker 1: too much p d A. For me, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of like, why are we just in the middle of
Speaker 1: the institute? Is he was right to break us out
Speaker 1: of that reverie. We we we did just make out in
Speaker 1: the middle of the institute. So I feel like it's
Speaker 1: like it's just the ice is broken. They're like, these
Speaker 1: these kids are already the irresponsible shadow Hunter group, and
Speaker 1: now they're making out. It would have been funny to
Speaker 1: shoot like the background supporting artists, like watching that super
Speaker 1: long kiss happen. Everyone's just like, we going to continue
Speaker 1: working around this. Okay, cool? I actually need to be
Speaker 1: over there, squeeze past the making out a couple. Jason,
Speaker 1: is this your book club again? We don't know about
Speaker 1: that yet. Do you know that season that season two
Speaker 1: about it? I know about it? Yeah, uh? And then yes,
Speaker 1: we do have grumpy Alc again coming in to interrupt
Speaker 1: and go, no, this is dangerous. We have to give
Speaker 1: it to the claims is what we do. We use
Speaker 1: our universal safe. It's interesting too, though, because you have
Speaker 1: this sort of standoff between Jace agreeing with Clary and
Speaker 1: Isabelle agreeing with Alec. So you have, you know, this
Speaker 1: kind of standoff as it were, with Jace once again
Speaker 1: choosing Clary instead of the parabtie. Yeah not ideal, which
Speaker 1: is then interrupted by sort of the There are two
Speaker 1: heavy hitting points in this episode, and this is the
Speaker 1: first of them. There is an alarm by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm like cent sur the one and only tie. And
Speaker 1: we use a proximity alarm in the show, and I
Speaker 1: don't know why. It was a really cool idea, Like
Speaker 1: we had a circle member in episode one who was
Speaker 1: just outside the institute. I don't know why we didn't
Speaker 1: come rushing out in forces, even Lydia's entrance. Why didn't
Speaker 1: the proximity alarm pick up that, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe she could have had some knowledge of
Speaker 1: it and usurped it or whatever. Oh, I know why
Speaker 1: it picks up demons and demon blood, so Lydia, well there,
Speaker 1: mm hmmm, I don't know. Yeah, both should have been
Speaker 1: picked up. They're not just their faulty alarms. They're from
Speaker 1: the eighties. They need to be done. We don't have
Speaker 1: the from the sixteen eighties. They're useless, absolutely useless. Anyway,
Speaker 1: tell us who and what we bump into. So we
Speaker 1: run outside the institute, which this was actually shot in
Speaker 1: our sound stage. They just removed some of the church
Speaker 1: walls and put some vines and smoke, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden we turn and there is none other than
Speaker 1: Raphael carrying Simon Lewis dead in his arms, friend or Raphael.
Speaker 1: I think he becomes like, this episode is when we
Speaker 1: get to solidify him a little more as friends, which
Speaker 1: I like, and you still have that sort of angsty
Speaker 1: relationship with him. But towards the end of the episode,
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, like, oh, he's on our team. Now,
Speaker 1: he's one of He's like on our side. You know. Well,
Speaker 1: David is just gold in this episode. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: given a lot of the exposition to have to explain
Speaker 1: how vampires work and kind of give Clary all the
Speaker 1: information she needs. But this is the first time we
Speaker 1: really get to see him shine as Raphael. And it's
Speaker 1: also I noticed rewatching it back, it's that scene, this
Speaker 1: next scene that we're coming up to where they lay
Speaker 1: Simon on the table and start to give Clarie her options.
Speaker 1: As all of this horrific mythology is setting in, he
Speaker 1: starts to take steps of being a leader of the
Speaker 1: vampire plant, which spoiler, that's kind of where we're getting to.
Speaker 1: But he starts to to take charge a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it's here where he goes, No,
Speaker 1: Camille is wrong. Camille did this, not the vampires. This
Speaker 1: is all Camille's fault and her doing because she's bloodthirsty
Speaker 1: and has lost her mind, and not only does he
Speaker 1: put the blame on her, but he takes ownership and
Speaker 1: takes responsibility and starts being the liaison for the vampires
Speaker 1: before he even has that authority going. You know, the
Speaker 1: Vampires don't want a war with the shadow Hunters, we
Speaker 1: don't want a war with the Mundanes. We are not
Speaker 1: a part of this. And he starts speaking for the group,
Speaker 1: and that's such a great turn for his character, even
Speaker 1: so early on. Yeah. Absolutely also poor limp body Simon,
Speaker 1: but he spends the first like third of this episode
Speaker 1: just a limp body dead. So much of that is
Speaker 1: my fault. And he has a little fun tip it
Speaker 1: for anyone who didn't know. I'm like morbidly afraid of
Speaker 1: dummies or figurines, like anything that looks sort of vaguely
Speaker 1: human like, and his human size puts me into like
Speaker 1: a full panic attack. Can't breathe and it's a nightmare.
Speaker 1: And they, because both David and I have to carry
Speaker 1: Simon for longer periods of time, they approach ASN was like,
Speaker 1: we can just get it, we can get a dummy
Speaker 1: in and I was like, absolutely not. In a million years.
Speaker 1: I will carry Alberto. I can't do it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to do it. There's absolutely no way. I mean,
Speaker 1: kudos to you for taking one for the team and
Speaker 1: and going no, I'm I'll just carry Alberto, or I'll
Speaker 1: just to Alberto really for just being like it's not comfortable,
Speaker 1: particularly I think for anybody like you know, my arms
Speaker 1: are equal and opposite force to the back of his
Speaker 1: neck and the back of his legs, just back and
Speaker 1: forth and back and forth and back and forth. So
Speaker 1: kudos to Alberto. Thank you very much mate for letting
Speaker 1: me carry you instead of having the wet myself every time.
Speaker 1: The down Berto partnership, we're feeling the love. But that
Speaker 1: being said, we have poor Alberto who's trying not to giggle.
Speaker 1: I think did Alberto starts snoring at one point he
Speaker 1: fell asleep. He fell asleep from at one point. For sure,
Speaker 1: these were very high energy and we did talk about
Speaker 1: these like these are very draining days, especially if I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what we did, whether we were in
Speaker 1: or out of the studio in the previous episode in
Speaker 1: episode seven. But when you go, when you shift and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, I've done movies like
Speaker 1: Vampire Academy was obviously very vampire based. And what we
Speaker 1: did was the first half of our know mental The
Speaker 1: first half of it was in a studio and was
Speaker 1: all daytime stuff, and then we got a break for
Speaker 1: a week to shift to nighttime stuff, and then the
Speaker 1: whole second half of the Shoe was night shoes, so
Speaker 1: you could adjust your body clock during that week to
Speaker 1: waking up at three in the afternoon and not going
Speaker 1: to bed until like to three in the morning, and
Speaker 1: then figure it out that way. On a TV show,
Speaker 1: you don't get that luxury because they're like, this episode
Speaker 1: is going to be a nighttime episode. So yesterday you
Speaker 1: got up at seven and you went to bed at
Speaker 1: seven normal time. Today you're going to get up at
Speaker 1: three and you're not going to go to bed until three,
Speaker 1: and it just messes with you. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: the day that we were shooting with Alberto sleeping on
Speaker 1: the table was our They call it a split day
Speaker 1: where you started at noon and you end at you know,
Speaker 1: twelve or one in the morning. That way, the next
Speaker 1: day you're into nights and you use as much time
Speaker 1: as you can. And this actually this can be our
Speaker 1: set or location feature in the episode. Well, the graveyard
Speaker 1: was a location, but the room was actually the seller
Speaker 1: of the studio. The seller of the institute was actually
Speaker 1: the seller of our studio, which was quite celery cout
Speaker 1: full of answers. I love it. Oh well, I guess
Speaker 1: we should explain. We should talk about this a little bit.
Speaker 1: We should talk about the before we get into Valentine
Speaker 1: has a bad guy speech coming up, But first we
Speaker 1: should talk about a little bit more of the mythology
Speaker 1: of the vampire transformation and the fledgling status and all
Speaker 1: of this, because that's really ultimately what Clari has faced
Speaker 1: with here. Hey, your bud drank vampire blood. Um, he
Speaker 1: also was bitten by a vampire, so he's now a
Speaker 1: fledgling and he's dead. Now you have to choose. You
Speaker 1: have three options. Yeah, leave him in purgatory forever as
Speaker 1: a fledgeling underground, and you leave him buried because he
Speaker 1: doesn't wake up with the strength to make it up.
Speaker 1: To make it up, you stake him or turn them
Speaker 1: into a vampire, bury him, let him dig his way up,
Speaker 1: give him blood vampire. Yeah. Three options. Not great? What
Speaker 1: a choice? Not a great choice for either of them.
Speaker 1: What would you do? What would you want if it
Speaker 1: were you as a person, what would you want? Well,
Speaker 1: I definitely wouldn't want to be buried in a fledgling
Speaker 1: state for eternity, I know that obviously. Yeah, definitely not purgatory.
Speaker 1: Um See, it's tough because I really I really like food,
Speaker 1: and so only being able to drink blood for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life would kind of be a torture
Speaker 1: of it. We cover that in season two that there
Speaker 1: is an ability to get food down, but it's not
Speaker 1: if it's mixed with something. If it's mixed with blood.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure to the vampires it's delish, like
Speaker 1: you know butter scratch cookies with blood and like a
Speaker 1: steak is one to have it all gluten free anyway,
Speaker 1: it's all gross. Listen. It was just one time. One
Speaker 1: time I did that experiment. It didn't work one time.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would want. I don't know
Speaker 1: because it's not the food for so much. It's the
Speaker 1: concept of like the Magnus issue, the issue that Magnets
Speaker 1: has that everyone he grows close to eventually dies and
Speaker 1: will leave him, and he's left on his own, trapped
Speaker 1: in this sort of horrendous perpetual loop of loneliness, which
Speaker 1: I don't think I would deal with very well, and
Speaker 1: I think I would probably end up doing the same
Speaker 1: as him, Like you have my people around me now,
Speaker 1: and once they've left, I would keep everyone at arms
Speaker 1: reach and wouldn't. But then, also, imagine the things you
Speaker 1: get to experience being immortal. Imagine the transitions in humanity, society,
Speaker 1: economic science, you know, the possibility space travel, Like finally
Speaker 1: figure out if aliens are going to come and say hi,
Speaker 1: or if they're going to try and avoid us. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's true, although equally so, there's
Speaker 1: so much of society that becomes cyclical and so many
Speaker 1: mistakes that get repeated over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: If you were immortal and had lived for several centuries,
Speaker 1: you like, guys started this again, please, But then maybe
Speaker 1: you could be an advocate for that. Maybe you could
Speaker 1: figure out a way of sort of adjusting your persona
Speaker 1: every You know, there's theory that that's what some actors do,
Speaker 1: some of the more influential actors do that. There are
Speaker 1: these pictures of like DiCaprio, who's obviously very environmentally minded,
Speaker 1: and there are these photos of like someone who looks
Speaker 1: exactly like him from the sixteen hundreds, and this like
Speaker 1: hair brained theory, and I don't believe in it, but
Speaker 1: you know this thing where they're like, all these people
Speaker 1: have figured out how to either live for a long
Speaker 1: time or jump through time to save these mistakes from
Speaker 1: happening and just have to adjust episona and become someone influential.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you do that if you had the ability
Speaker 1: to see you know, overly topical example, but like a
Speaker 1: potential war coming, and you had seen this happen once before,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't we be taking all the steps we possibly
Speaker 1: could to avoid it. That's true, Well, very political, very
Speaker 1: early mes A heavy episode. So, but this is also
Speaker 1: one of the first times that Clary it's kind of
Speaker 1: a wake up call for her and she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: because we've seen in the last few episodes she's thanked people,
Speaker 1: apologize to people, and sort of going, look, all these
Speaker 1: people are dying and potentially losing their lives for me,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how I feel about it. And
Speaker 1: then she gets slapped in the face with with this
Speaker 1: and realizes, oh, my god, this is all my fault.
Speaker 1: Well and more importantly, I mean because it isn't It
Speaker 1: isn't we spoke about this briefly before, where like there
Speaker 1: are other things like we should have been aware of
Speaker 1: the potential of him being a fledgling. We should have
Speaker 1: asked him. Honestly, the shadow Hunters should have some sort
Speaker 1: of quarantine procedure where you were around a vampire. They
Speaker 1: like to buy, why don't we quarantine for two weeks,
Speaker 1: like so you don't succumb to the addiction. Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think the difference here and the reason this was
Speaker 1: so hard, and I remember talking this through with Michael
Speaker 1: Reese when we were filming it. The reason this is
Speaker 1: so hard is this is the first time that this
Speaker 1: is your choice, just your choice. Whatever happens is on you.
Speaker 1: We can't really advise. Raphael can't advise. I can't advise.
Speaker 1: We're not using any of the rest of the shadow Unters.
Speaker 1: The Claive would say, well, the Claive would say, this
Speaker 1: choice is on you, and that's what I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's for the first time. It's you know, especially
Speaker 1: and not being able to talk to Simon, because when
Speaker 1: Clary has to make a decision, who does she talk
Speaker 1: to Simon? And he's not there. And so there is
Speaker 1: no one to be that voice of reason, and there
Speaker 1: is no one because it's him, and you know this
Speaker 1: is something she struggles with throughout the episode. And also
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on this because of Number one,
Speaker 1: we've heard Alberto's beautiful performance of this voicemail he leaves
Speaker 1: for Clary in the previous episode and then we get
Speaker 1: to here it again and this one with Clary on
Speaker 1: the phone. But I was trying to remember if they
Speaker 1: actually played me that I'm and they didn't. They didn't
Speaker 1: have it. But it was Silk who was our second idea,
Speaker 1: who was our first or second I D in that episode.
Speaker 1: And he was also an actor before he did this.
Speaker 1: So when you're having someone like that read lines with you,
Speaker 1: it tends to work out. But normally it's just an
Speaker 1: A D or a p A or the director or
Speaker 1: someone who's just reading normally no interest in acting as well.
Speaker 1: Like now we get what we've been missing for a
Speaker 1: couple of episodes, which is a good old classic Valentine
Speaker 1: more it certain bad guy speech. Yeah, we're going to
Speaker 1: get him monologueng that's what's going to happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: who better to monologue than Alan van Sprang, though, to
Speaker 1: be fair, it's interesting because it's the first time he
Speaker 1: takes ownership of Clary as a child, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's sort of going to you didn't did you think
Speaker 1: I wouldn't figure it out? Jocelyn was sort of espousing
Speaker 1: his his grand master plan. Then we're back, We get
Speaker 1: an intro, we get a full intro, which is actually
Speaker 1: it's a nice little shuffle from seeing his face sort
Speaker 1: of twice, but you're right, it's a nice little bit
Speaker 1: and for the audience because having just seen Valentine and
Speaker 1: heard him espouse this plan, suddenly we see him again
Speaker 1: and it's this thing of oh no, is it actually him?
Speaker 1: What's happening? We don't know. I do also believe it's
Speaker 1: the first time we see the use of the shape
Speaker 1: shifting Room, which was the first room created for the
Speaker 1: show that is not in the books. So not only
Speaker 1: do we have a new character coming in that was
Speaker 1: created for the series, but we have a new room
Speaker 1: coming in that was also created for the series. So
Speaker 1: we're starting to take some liberties from the books. We're
Speaker 1: starting to kind of move in and through and away from,
Speaker 1: you know, the traditional canon of the story, but in
Speaker 1: a way that serves TV quite well, because we've seen
Speaker 1: the Lightwoods are in trouble. The parents kind of bring
Speaker 1: down the hammer and say, look, the Clave is bringing
Speaker 1: down the hammer, so we are We've got to buckle
Speaker 1: down or we're gonna lose our legacy. A great That's
Speaker 1: one of the fun things that you get to do
Speaker 1: on a TV show. And you've given this sort of opportunity.
Speaker 1: You get the opportunity to not only follow the books
Speaker 1: and follow the storyline that already exists, but also play
Speaker 1: with that and amalgamate that. Like I think the books
Speaker 1: of this lend themselves very well to a TV chokes
Speaker 1: this so much in it. But then also we get
Speaker 1: to take this sort of creative control. I mean not
Speaker 1: as necessarily the right as mostly, but we do get
Speaker 1: this sort of creative control where we can sort of
Speaker 1: do our thing, which is nice, and we get to
Speaker 1: tell the story our way and create things if we
Speaker 1: want to create things or take things away, if we
Speaker 1: want to say things alway. It's you know, and as
Speaker 1: we did in this case, shuffle things around. Because the
Speaker 1: vampire transformation. We talked about this a little bit with Alberto,
Speaker 1: but it actually takes place in book two, and that's
Speaker 1: the majority of book two is the Peter Parker Simon
Speaker 1: and him turning into a vampire and the transformation and
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. This scene that we have doesn't
Speaker 1: take place until as Alberto so actually put it chapter
Speaker 1: eight or chapter sixteen of Pook two. We're not sure.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that because he's Alberto, because this is
Speaker 1: what he does, photographic memory of books he hasn't read
Speaker 1: in two years. It's four years, however long. It was ludicrous.
Speaker 1: So there's that. And then yeah, so we see Lydia
Speaker 1: enter for the first time and go, I'm here to
Speaker 1: I'm here to keep an eye. These are fun. The
Speaker 1: shape shifting rooms are fun. Yeah, and I noticed this
Speaker 1: one particularly. Alan is about eleven maybe six ft. Stephanie
Speaker 1: is five five. Yeah, she's about yeah, it's about my height. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we don't just for height at all. Like, it
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. There's no like if you watch it,
Speaker 1: her head literally doesn't move from because what should happen
Speaker 1: is he should get shorter and then turn into her.
Speaker 1: Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen, little forced perspective. Yeah, well, at
Speaker 1: this point, because we haven't really met Valentine. With any
Speaker 1: of our like heroes, heroes that we know sort of
Speaker 1: roughly how tall they are, we're basically assuming that Alan
Speaker 1: van Sprang is five five and I love that as
Speaker 1: an image. Don't tell Alan that, don't tell I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I think that is hilarious. I wish we'd
Speaker 1: kept that, like in the show that we like. We
Speaker 1: actually finally bump into Valentine and you're like, oh, he's like,
Speaker 1: my hello, buddy, you've been taller. You're not a threat, Rascal,
Speaker 1: You're not a threat? Are you just want to take
Speaker 1: over the wild? I can see the steam coming out
Speaker 1: of Allen's ears for sure. Speaking of steam coming out
Speaker 1: of people's ears, we get to see the Forsaken for
Speaker 1: the first time we do I think arguably maybe the
Speaker 1: only time in three seasons we get to see Forsaken.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to remember they may or may
Speaker 1: not come back in episode eleven or twelve, or eleven
Speaker 1: or thirteen of this splash of season one show the
Speaker 1: first Saken. They show up on Vampire Diaries couple times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: any any Toronto based show they just got. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean maybe they probably still have the prosthetics. Seriously. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think they come back because we kill both
Speaker 1: of these two spoiler alert, but we do. I don't
Speaker 1: think we see them again. I really don't because any
Speaker 1: time sort of after like ten m, there's no need.
Speaker 1: What about in the beginning of two when you have
Speaker 1: the thing and the thing and the and you're you're
Speaker 1: all out there and there were sunglasses, dude, and then
Speaker 1: you know, oh no they were they were all no
Speaker 1: because they yeah, because it wasn't experiments anymore. It was
Speaker 1: it was the real deal, real deal small which sort
Speaker 1: of starts like now is from sort of here on out,
Speaker 1: he knows that he has the ability to make actual
Speaker 1: shadow hunters and shift his focus. So I don't think
Speaker 1: we see forsake and ever again. You know what, I
Speaker 1: think you're right, and thank you for understanding my um
Speaker 1: foreshadowing sign language. It was the sunglasses that got me that.
Speaker 1: I got it from the sunglasses because that was a
Speaker 1: hell of a day. It was very warm and we
Speaker 1: all look down and oh, this isn't gonna make any sense,
Speaker 1: but I'll do a little I can tell a little
Speaker 1: story now about this. We'll tease what's gonna happen. In
Speaker 1: season two, there's a scene on a big container ship
Speaker 1: and I'm looking down over this container ship about two
Speaker 1: hundred supporting artists like background and all doing the same
Speaker 1: thing in unison, and then one guy wearing sunglasses and
Speaker 1: I was like, question mark that guy wearing tung ablasts.
Speaker 1: It is really odd. It just really stands out. And he,
Speaker 1: bless his heart, he actually couldn't take them off that
Speaker 1: day because he just had I think la Si so
Speaker 1: we couldn't take the glasses off, and they were like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I don't think we can use you in this scene.
Speaker 1: We're going to bring you back into something else, but like,
Speaker 1: we can't because there's two hundred people here. Nobody else
Speaker 1: is wearing sunglasses is just you. So I felt pretty
Speaker 1: bad about that, but I'm pretty sure we brought him back.
Speaker 1: I think we did. I mean, if I know, are
Speaker 1: our folks, they were really good about things like that.
Speaker 1: You know, after we see the first seac and be
Speaker 1: made for the first time and ominously turn up at
Speaker 1: the Jade Wolf, which I thought this was actually very
Speaker 1: cleverly written one of them, and I remember watching rewatching
Speaker 1: it forgetting what happens at the end of this episode,
Speaker 1: one of them just fox off, like where's he going?
Speaker 1: It was really interesting and then very clever writing because
Speaker 1: even me as an audience member knowing what happens, I
Speaker 1: was like, where are you going? Why? What is the
Speaker 1: purpose of this? And it's interesting too to think about
Speaker 1: because and I don't know if it's just the nature
Speaker 1: of the werewolves or maybe what where the Jade Wolf
Speaker 1: is located, but it seems as though all of the
Speaker 1: other down world headquarters are a bit more secure. Jade
Speaker 1: Wolf seems to get attacked a lot. Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's to do or if this location was chosen
Speaker 1: because of the two or let's say, of the sort
Speaker 1: of the five lead races main races that we discover
Speaker 1: in this show shadow Hunters, warlocks, vampires, Seeley's werewolves. Those five.
Speaker 1: The two that are good at tracking are the warewolves
Speaker 1: and the shadow Hunters. On the werewolves have a leg
Speaker 1: up on tracking over the shadow Hunters because they buy
Speaker 1: the water. Oh look at I wonder that's really smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm only thinking of it that way
Speaker 1: because it was very expensive to put water in the
Speaker 1: back of every one of those shots. Because there is
Speaker 1: no there's no Hudson there, like we're in Toronto. That's
Speaker 1: just a parking lot. It is any who cut to
Speaker 1: Forsaken has disappeared, ominous Forsaken and an old what's his tits?
Speaker 1: What's his name? What's this guy's name? Oh uh, black Well,
Speaker 1: black Well, black Well, that's it, black Well. They all
Speaker 1: ominously walk into the Jade Wolf, leaving Clary looking for
Speaker 1: something specific to help her make her choice, or have
Speaker 1: you made your choice at this point? No, No, she
Speaker 1: doesn't make the choice till the graveyard. But it's it's
Speaker 1: that thing of we know there's not a lot of time,
Speaker 1: so we have to be prepared for both. So she
Speaker 1: goes to Simon's apartment to pull out all the things
Speaker 1: that she needs to give Simon a proper funeral, and
Speaker 1: you know, sort of try and piece together anything that's happening,
Speaker 1: and she kind of she starts to crack a little bit,
Speaker 1: and Jay sees this, and do you want to touch
Speaker 1: because I know this was a big story point for
Speaker 1: you and a big book thing for Jace. So this
Speaker 1: is one of the sort of it's a big story
Speaker 1: in the books. Um I came to find out that
Speaker 1: tells you a huge amount about why Jase is the
Speaker 1: way he is, because I think the whole story here,
Speaker 1: and I think part of the reason why Jace fights
Speaker 1: Clary so much when she says love makes you stronger,
Speaker 1: you know, it makes you make decisions, whatever you can
Speaker 1: follow your emotions, is because that's who he used to
Speaker 1: be and it got beaten out of him, literally beaten
Speaker 1: out of him. And that's what this story refers to.
Speaker 1: He cherished this thing, he cherished this falcon. It was his,
Speaker 1: It loved him, he loved it, it was his best friend.
Speaker 1: In what we will come to find out much later
Speaker 1: on in the show was a very isolated first decade
Speaker 1: of his life, a very painful, solitary first decade, and
Speaker 1: for the first time he had a compatriot, a partner,
Speaker 1: a friend and something anything. This was I think the
Speaker 1: first time where Jason's walls started to come up and
Speaker 1: why he developed this sort of stony, sarcastic exterior to
Speaker 1: keep himself safe from essentially exactly this's happening. Ever again,
Speaker 1: because it is arguably one of the more horrendous stories
Speaker 1: or treatments of a child that you could ever do.
Speaker 1: And he was I mean, well again, We'll find this
Speaker 1: out later on. He just says Jason, just says a boy.
Speaker 1: But we will find out later on that he was
Speaker 1: He couldn't have been any older than ten because he
Speaker 1: came to join the Lightwoods when he was ten years old,
Speaker 1: so he couldn't have been any older than ten. Is
Speaker 1: it this episode do we find out? Do? I mean,
Speaker 1: we know the audience knows, But do you ever find
Speaker 1: out that this story is about Jace in this episode?
Speaker 1: I don't exactly recall, but I don't remember either. I
Speaker 1: wonder if when we're sat next to the grave we
Speaker 1: have sort of a heart to heart. It just says
Speaker 1: a boy. It just says a boy when and it
Speaker 1: is just a boy when I'm telling the story, it's
Speaker 1: because you're facing the other way. If you remembers the
Speaker 1: emotions that filter on my face as much as he's
Speaker 1: trying to sort of suppress them, because that's the whole
Speaker 1: point of this story. The audience can tell that this
Speaker 1: story is about Jason. That is the idea. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if in this episode you find out Clary
Speaker 1: finds out, I don't know. I don't think she quite
Speaker 1: clocks it. I mean, maybe there is you know. I
Speaker 1: think had it not been for everything else, in all
Speaker 1: the extenuating circumstances, she would have put the pieces together.
Speaker 1: But at this point, as you said, I'm facing away
Speaker 1: and I'm way more concerned about my friends that I
Speaker 1: have to either kill or turned into a monster. Next
Speaker 1: we end up we go see Luke because Clary goes, look,
Speaker 1: there's nobody else I can talk to about this. Let's
Speaker 1: go see Luke because he is Simon's dad as much
Speaker 1: as he is mine, and he deserves to have a
Speaker 1: say in this. And it's really interesting. I actually this
Speaker 1: is one of those scenes like we talked about in
Speaker 1: in the episode with Alberto, that I completely forgot about,
Speaker 1: but was one of my favorite aspects of season one
Speaker 1: because you get to see a little bit more about
Speaker 1: Luke's backstory and what Joscelyn did for Luke and the
Speaker 1: choices that Jocelyn made when Luke was turned into a werewolf.
Speaker 1: And in the very same way, Luke is watching this
Speaker 1: history play out again with Simon and Clary, but gives
Speaker 1: her key piece of advice that I'm not sure she
Speaker 1: a hundred percent follows because Clari is more folcused on
Speaker 1: the fact of the story, Oh, Jocelyn saved Luke's life,
Speaker 1: and look at what Luke has made of this life,
Speaker 1: not the struggle that Luke had to go through that.
Speaker 1: He goes, Look, it's going to be hard, it's not
Speaker 1: going to be easy. He's going to need people around
Speaker 1: him if you decided to do this, and he goes,
Speaker 1: but make sure you do it for him, not for you,
Speaker 1: not for you, which I'm not sure she does. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's sort of an impossible question, like how do you
Speaker 1: separate yourself entirely from that emotion? The only way to
Speaker 1: do it really would be to ask someone else. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if she does make this decision for Simon.
Speaker 1: In fact, we know she doesn't because he comes back.
Speaker 1: She knows everything about Simon, and he comes back and
Speaker 1: is furious. We know that she didn't make this choice
Speaker 1: for Simon. She made it right. In fact, don't you
Speaker 1: even say something along the lines of like I couldn't
Speaker 1: do I couldn't live without you. I'm sorry, I couldn't
Speaker 1: have done. I can't remember exactly what that line is
Speaker 1: when he in the next episode, does he know agin
Speaker 1: this episode? No, he emerges, but we talk about it
Speaker 1: more in nine, like he and I have a lot
Speaker 1: of conversations about it in the next episode. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: I see, I see, I see, I see, I see.
Speaker 1: Got it. But before we get there, we've got to
Speaker 1: go back to the institute. First of all, this is
Speaker 1: definitely the first time we see shirtless Alec and Magnus
Speaker 1: have a conversation. Strikes it out a very sweaty boxing
Speaker 1: because haven't we already have we? Isn't it this episode
Speaker 1: we find out that the light Woods are like, they're bad?
Speaker 1: This is it? This is exactly the other point I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up, because Lydia makes Alec aware of
Speaker 1: the fact that his parents were Circle members, which Alec
Speaker 1: and Isabel did not know. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: Alec has already frustrated with his parents because they're talking
Speaker 1: about marrying him off and doing all of this. So
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see these two connect on the concept
Speaker 1: of shadow hunters and marriage and the Circle. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's tricky, and this becomes a very contentious part of
Speaker 1: I think everyone, like even Jay's questions his loyalty to
Speaker 1: his parents. Marison Robert later on in Yeah, which fucking
Speaker 1: trying to remember which names which player is always questioning
Speaker 1: the loyalty of her parents. But that's another story. But
Speaker 1: Merrison Robert he questions in I think episode thirteen, he
Speaker 1: starts to question whether or not they are and end
Speaker 1: up kind of being improven right at the beginning of
Speaker 1: season two. So come back and listen to what we
Speaker 1: have to say about the episode one of season two,
Speaker 1: because it's trippy. We also get to meet before we
Speaker 1: were about to see that. You know, we have the
Speaker 1: call Alex Shirlet scene. Everyone starts palpitating because so sexy.
Speaker 1: It's true, I certainly did. And we get to meet
Speaker 1: the best forensic pathologist in all of New York that
Speaker 1: what is that what we call her? I do believe so,
Speaker 1: and that is the one and only Isabel Lightward. And
Speaker 1: you get to see her and Magnus playing with now
Speaker 1: what we It's funny. They're they're basically COVID face shields,
Speaker 1: which is why they're exactly what we use for those
Speaker 1: face shields. Yeah, there's those are the early ones we
Speaker 1: had on set. Yeah, which is looking back is kind
Speaker 1: of jarring. Yeah, it's weird sees people wearing it and
Speaker 1: I'm like, where's your mask? Man? That is useless without
Speaker 1: a mask. Listen, then you watch the news. Pay attention.
Speaker 1: I remember laughing at this the first time I saw it, because, again,
Speaker 1: you know, this is one of the fun things about
Speaker 1: working on a TV show. So many characters in it
Speaker 1: is Cat and I are not there for those scenes,
Speaker 1: so we don't know how they went down and the things.
Speaker 1: I think. I'm pretty sure that the whole Magnus being
Speaker 1: disgusted by this dissection of this body is just is Harry.
Speaker 1: Harry just took that and ran with it. I don't
Speaker 1: think any of that was in the script. I would
Speaker 1: bet money on that, right. And he does one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things towards the end, where any other person
Speaker 1: would pinch their nose like this, and he goes like
Speaker 1: this with two fingers and just stops his nostrils, and
Speaker 1: I think it's the coolest thing. He just it's because
Speaker 1: it's so magnus and it's so funny. And I remember
Speaker 1: seeing it for the first time when when you know,
Speaker 1: all those years ago, when we watched it for the
Speaker 1: first time when it came out, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that is so funny. That's so funny, and such something
Speaker 1: that only are you would get away with, and only
Speaker 1: Magnus would get away with and it was such a
Speaker 1: brilliant thing to watch. He's so good at just making
Speaker 1: these choices. We'll just make a choice to go, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be disgusted by this, and then let
Speaker 1: himself riff on that for the entire scene, and it
Speaker 1: keeps him entertained, and he's having fun, and you can
Speaker 1: tell it comes across in his performance. We see this
Speaker 1: alliance begin to form between Alec and Lydia as they
Speaker 1: confront Marison Robert and as we go through this. This
Speaker 1: is the beginning of their plan, given that Lydia has
Speaker 1: lost the love of her life and will most likely
Speaker 1: never fall in love again given the shadow Hunter's lore,
Speaker 1: and Alec he's beginning to realize, yeah, he thinks he
Speaker 1: probably won't. I think whether or not he realizes it,
Speaker 1: he knows he's met the love of his life, but
Speaker 1: doesn't see a way for them to be together, I agree.
Speaker 1: I think it's more. I think I think with Alec,
Speaker 1: the thing is here is he's choosing his duty over
Speaker 1: his heart. But we hatch this plan and Alec proposes
Speaker 1: to Lydia Brandwell, which I remember reading that in the
Speaker 1: script and going what no, And I think the audience
Speaker 1: of the same dramatic is cat I am. When I'm
Speaker 1: reading the scripts for the first time, it's it's a
Speaker 1: wild read, absolutely and she accepts? Does she accept there?
Speaker 1: And then she knows? I think so? Yeah. But then,
Speaker 1: speaking of love, I want to talk about the scene
Speaker 1: with Christina in the office. Oh that's this episode also, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, Jason Clary go see Simon's mom because here, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because she has to tell her something, that something happened
Speaker 1: to Simon and he's gone. It is interesting because it
Speaker 1: parallels a scene in season three that Clary is not it.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it does right, It's the first time we
Speaker 1: start this process. But I could cry here. Clary doesn't
Speaker 1: have the skill that somebody else has to kind of
Speaker 1: bring all that full circle, and and it's not her
Speaker 1: choice to make, so she sort of puts a band
Speaker 1: aid on it until they can figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: what they're going to do. But that was so interesting
Speaker 1: because that's one of the first time we really got
Speaker 1: to play with the whole glamour on a scene in
Speaker 1: a smaller scale that there weren't a bunch of background,
Speaker 1: there weren't a bunch of people. It was you, me
Speaker 1: and Christina who plays Mrs Lewis in her office and
Speaker 1: it was fun. And also having an actress like Christina
Speaker 1: who is so good at just playing and rolling with
Speaker 1: the punches in that way. But yeah, it was It
Speaker 1: was interesting. What did you think because you were the
Speaker 1: one who was glamoured who had to kind of play
Speaker 1: that game. So this is again a fun like technical
Speaker 1: thing that happens with the glamor when we're on set.
Speaker 1: Is for a decent portion of that filming, I'm physically
Speaker 1: not in that room obviously, because it would be much
Speaker 1: more expensive to just like digitally erase me digitally erased
Speaker 1: speaking of eraser coming, couldn't have written a better seguy myself.
Speaker 1: So for a lot of that and physically not there
Speaker 1: and the other things that we sort of learned to
Speaker 1: do subconsciously, which is really interesting. And we get to
Speaker 1: see this a little in season two with Matt and I,
Speaker 1: which is really funny because we both did it. I
Speaker 1: remember in rehearsal we did it by accident. There's a
Speaker 1: scene where there's a human detective working with Luke and
Speaker 1: at one point the police person, the police officer walks
Speaker 1: into the path of Jason Alec. Like we stood next
Speaker 1: to each other and without even thinking, we both just
Speaker 1: took a step up the step behind us. So this
Speaker 1: person had a clear path to walk through because they
Speaker 1: don't know we're there. They can't see us, so they
Speaker 1: would have bumped into us physically. That sort of started
Speaker 1: here a little like if you watch there's an intention
Speaker 1: that we worked with with Jace where he intentionally doesn't
Speaker 1: try and touch things, he doesn't move things, he doesn't
Speaker 1: accidentally bump into things, very aware of his surroundings until
Speaker 1: he does it intentionally, until he makes the choice to
Speaker 1: I'm going to break this reverie. And that's something that
Speaker 1: the shadow Hunters just had to train to do. We
Speaker 1: had to figure out how to not book or like
Speaker 1: stub your toe or whatever, because then the game is
Speaker 1: given away. So that's one of the fun things that
Speaker 1: we've got to play with with Glamors, is like the
Speaker 1: physical how you know, the caution that you have to take. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I would not be good at that if
Speaker 1: I was actually a shadow Hunter, you know how So
Speaker 1: I have like the attention space of four year old goldfish,
Speaker 1: Like I would be like, oh, I'm glamored. Okay, great, said, oh,
Speaker 1: and I'm going and pick something up or like, is
Speaker 1: this fresh tea? I don't know what ship I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be glamored. I'll damn it. You would go
Speaker 1: pad a dog, is what you would do. I would
Speaker 1: go pat a dog, for sure. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: I'm doing if that is the number one thing that
Speaker 1: will distract me. For sure. You're like that dog from
Speaker 1: up when it comes to other dogs, dog Dan and
Speaker 1: I like that a lot, like if there's a rustle
Speaker 1: or a noise and we're cuddling that we're both together
Speaker 1: gotten like both of our heads at the same time. Um.
Speaker 1: Something slightly less adorable, though, is we're back in the
Speaker 1: graveyard and we've buried Simon and it's another conversation from
Speaker 1: the books that is brought up here. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: how many book moments are in this episode. We normally
Speaker 1: get one or two, but this is another big one
Speaker 1: and it's become a full theme of our show in
Speaker 1: that you know, you have this shadow Hunters versus Mundane.
Speaker 1: The law is hard, but it's the law emotions, cloud judgment,
Speaker 1: except Claric coming from the mundane world has more experience
Speaker 1: with emotions and and their benefit as opposed to their detriment.
Speaker 1: In this case, it's a bit questionable. But she and
Speaker 1: Jason are discussing all of that and Clary goes, no,
Speaker 1: the first rule of being a mundane is that love
Speaker 1: makes you fight harder for what you want, and love
Speaker 1: makes you stronger, and that is something that all of
Speaker 1: these characters learned as the series goes on. But you know,
Speaker 1: balancing it in different ways, I guess. I mean, I
Speaker 1: have always had an issue with it, as when I
Speaker 1: star did preparing this role, it was very much like
Speaker 1: he was a marine, like you know, he was Delta,
Speaker 1: like he was the best of the best. And that's
Speaker 1: not to say those guys are void of emotion. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the case, at least not the guys
Speaker 1: that I've met in the past. However, there is a
Speaker 1: neutrality to This is the job I have to do,
Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily something I want to do or
Speaker 1: the choice that I want to make. But it's the
Speaker 1: job that I have to do because I'm not protecting
Speaker 1: me necessarily. I'm protecting the man to my left shoulder
Speaker 1: into my right shoulder, and we work as a team,
Speaker 1: we work together, and that was something. So this slow
Speaker 1: penetration of Clary's mindset about emotions making its way into
Speaker 1: Jason's sort of I guess waning mind, undecided mind is
Speaker 1: It is slow. It takes time because there are times
Speaker 1: later on Jason is required to do things that he
Speaker 1: doesn't agree with, and that's what we were trained to do,
Speaker 1: Like we were trained to obey these orders, and when
Speaker 1: you don't, the wheels can come off, or if you
Speaker 1: choose not to because you think it's the right thing
Speaker 1: to do, or what if you're ordered to do something
Speaker 1: that you know is the incorrect thing to do and
Speaker 1: you have to disobey it, but you know that's going
Speaker 1: to cause collateral damage and whatever. So it ends up
Speaker 1: being this tricky thing where the less romanticized version of
Speaker 1: this is like you don't use your emotions, Like this
Speaker 1: is the ship situation that we're in, and we take
Speaker 1: our emotions out of it. What would Simon want? And
Speaker 1: that is what Simon would have wanted, as you want
Speaker 1: to wanted to be laid to rest like that would
Speaker 1: have you know what I mean? But this is not reality.
Speaker 1: This is a TV show, and our characters are ruled
Speaker 1: by their emotions, and thank god, because otherwise we wouldn't
Speaker 1: have got to watch another two and a half seasons
Speaker 1: of Alberto's glorious performances. It's true, but also to your point,
Speaker 1: it's interesting for Clary as well, as she kind of
Speaker 1: plays with this idea of emotions cloud judgment versus love
Speaker 1: makes you stronger and emotions can be a tool. Especially
Speaker 1: we find this out in more in season three. She
Speaker 1: can't trust her emotions and her intentions and her heart
Speaker 1: anymore because of other extenuating circumstances and familial relationships, and
Speaker 1: it's all it all gets worked and twisted because there
Speaker 1: are so many influences on those emotions. They're volatile and
Speaker 1: you can't trust them at a certain point in this world.
Speaker 1: Or even worse, we could have sort of ended our
Speaker 1: story at the end of season two with a choice
Speaker 1: with one choice. Yeah, and love makes you fight harder
Speaker 1: for what you want, Yes, it does. But what you wanted,
Speaker 1: what your emotions were telling you you wanted, was not
Speaker 1: for the betterment of society. It was not for the
Speaker 1: betterment of the shadow world or the human world. It
Speaker 1: was for the betterment of you, just you. We could
Speaker 1: have solved the problems, all of them done it like
Speaker 1: that done, and that's not what happened. And that's a
Speaker 1: good example of why there are times where you should
Speaker 1: remain emotionless. You should and actually that caused a lot
Speaker 1: of problems for Jake's two. I know, I'm sorry. That's
Speaker 1: a whole thing. There's a club that forms later on
Speaker 1: in the show of you Know, have you died because
Speaker 1: of Clary and been brought back to life because of Clary?
Speaker 1: Even I'm a member of that club eventually, So you know,
Speaker 1: it's a whole it's a whole slot, whole thing. It's
Speaker 1: a whole thing. Speaking of brilliant performances, I remember on
Speaker 1: the day, everybody on the entire cast and crew was
Speaker 1: just stunned by Alberto and all of the elements as
Speaker 1: he's discovering what he has turned into and and like
Speaker 1: begging for it not to be real, and all of
Speaker 1: these stages of grief that we've seen Clarrey go through
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the episode. It hit me again
Speaker 1: when I rewatch it. He's so freaking brilliant in every
Speaker 1: single tiny moment that he creates in this everything from
Speaker 1: you Know, his first emergence is this animalistic like creature
Speaker 1: like thing that has one thing that has sustenance on
Speaker 1: its mind and that's it. And once that is taken away, this,
Speaker 1: like you say, this sort of slow, this very gradual,
Speaker 1: piece by piece realization of what's happening, until he actually
Speaker 1: says the words Clary, am I a vampire? No, you're
Speaker 1: the same Simon, And he's not. He isn't the same him,
Speaker 1: And he's everything. He's things that he's afraid of, these
Speaker 1: things that he's watched movies about to terrify him, and
Speaker 1: he's now that he's the Boogeyman, and we get to
Speaker 1: watch him convey this like repulsion and shock and fear
Speaker 1: and anger and hatred for you and for himself and
Speaker 1: for what you know, fear of what his future now
Speaker 1: holds for him. And this all happens in three and
Speaker 1: a half minutes on screen because Alberto is fucking brilliant,
Speaker 1: and it's all these little little tiny things of discovering
Speaker 1: the teeth and how they feel in his mouth and
Speaker 1: trying to say the word God, and looking at the
Speaker 1: dirt and figuring out where he is because last the
Speaker 1: last time he was conscious, he was at the Hotel
Speaker 1: de moret and the next time he regains consciousness, he's underground.
Speaker 1: And that's interesting, you know, because again in the script,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really say anything they gave this to Alberto.
Speaker 1: It just says, oh my good, just the letter G
Speaker 1: and then ellipsis after it, so it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: finished the line. And Alberto came up with the concept
Speaker 1: of it being like stuck in his throat, almost like gagging,
Speaker 1: like the word physically, so he ended up with this
Speaker 1: sort of physical like oh my god, and it was
Speaker 1: like choking him. And that was Alberto. That was Alberto's idea,
Speaker 1: and it was phenomenal because we didn't know what he
Speaker 1: was going to do until he did it. And again,
Speaker 1: especially when we were off camera, we get to just
Speaker 1: kind of witness this happening, and it was, man, it was.
Speaker 1: It was like a chills kind of day. It was.
Speaker 1: It was really amazing. It was, and it wasn't just
Speaker 1: the mosquitoes. But you have to remember too that what
Speaker 1: the audience might not know is that this was also
Speaker 1: three four in the morning. We'd been shooting all day long.
Speaker 1: We'd already done so much that day, you know, Alberto
Speaker 1: had had to dig himself out of the ground several
Speaker 1: times at this point, and we were all exhausted getting
Speaker 1: literally eaten alive by mosquitoes. But honestly, it was all
Speaker 1: worthwhile just to watch that performance. But the fact that
Speaker 1: Alberto was able to do that in those circumstances and
Speaker 1: absolutely kill it take after take after take, it's just
Speaker 1: a testament to the great Alberta. Resending the third, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, two things happen on set, and from my
Speaker 1: point of view, you don't hope for either one. It
Speaker 1: just if it happens, then it's great and everyone appreciates
Speaker 1: what you've done, but you're just sort of trying to
Speaker 1: get the work done. But when you do a good
Speaker 1: fight scene, like a really good fight scene, people applaud,
Speaker 1: and that's a really cool feeling if people are like, wow,
Speaker 1: that was a good especially when you've done so many
Speaker 1: over the course of the years. When you do a
Speaker 1: really good scene like this, there's like stillness, like someone
Speaker 1: sucked all of the air out of the room because
Speaker 1: everyone has just sort of watched in a war and
Speaker 1: this is what happened to Alberto. There was this like
Speaker 1: stillness across the set and normally as soon as you
Speaker 1: call cut, people start working and doing things or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I remember this quite vividly. There was a cut
Speaker 1: and then just sort of a just a beat of
Speaker 1: nothing where people were appreciating what Alberto did. It's really cool.
Speaker 1: It's a really cool moment. And that too, is such
Speaker 1: a testament to our crew because they didn't have to,
Speaker 1: you know, love the story and love the show, and
Speaker 1: they didn't have to care, but they did, and they
Speaker 1: were in it with us along for the ride of
Speaker 1: the story as much as the technical side of it.
Speaker 1: And I think you see that on screen and every
Speaker 1: single element. You know, they cared about how the story
Speaker 1: was told as much as we did. And it was
Speaker 1: a really beautiful thing. Speaking of the story, So after
Speaker 1: this glorious performance from Alberto, he zips off into the aura,
Speaker 1: which is fun. Vamp speed is fun. Everyone in this
Speaker 1: everyone on the set freezers, so Cat and I freeze
Speaker 1: and whatever position we're in, which we learned later on
Speaker 1: to be a more neutral position, because if you're in
Speaker 1: the middle of like a point on something, you have
Speaker 1: to hold that dead still for however long it takes
Speaker 1: for Alberto to run off into the distance. So now
Speaker 1: normally now it's like I'll put my hands in my pockets,
Speaker 1: and that's why what my character will be doing in
Speaker 1: this moment, and just in my pockets. Simon disappears. We
Speaker 1: get our first moment of sort of. This guy's a
Speaker 1: member of the team from Raphael. Don't worry, you guys
Speaker 1: won't catch up. I will. I'm gonna take care of him.
Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure that he transitions through this properly.
Speaker 1: And not only is that Rafael the leader, Rafael the
Speaker 1: team member, it's also Rafael the good Catholic bless his heart,
Speaker 1: like it's the guy who was raised caring about other
Speaker 1: people and looking after other people and after however, many
Speaker 1: hundreds of years, that hasn't left him um, which is
Speaker 1: really sweet. So but there's a fun moment. We get
Speaker 1: to see a new sort of team dynamic slowly building,
Speaker 1: and then cut back to Isabel and Isabel has made
Speaker 1: a remarkable discovery. Oh yes, also, I did want to
Speaker 1: bring up we skipped over a little bit while we're
Speaker 1: on the subject of Rafael um Camille. Camille shows up
Speaker 1: to the graveyard and goes, I want my property. Because
Speaker 1: in vampire lore, if you turn a fledgling and they
Speaker 1: become a vampire, they are technically your property. They're your
Speaker 1: subordinate in a way in the vampire hierarchy. Um, and
Speaker 1: there's a term for it that I'm forgetting at the moment.
Speaker 1: But she refers to signon as her property, which who
Speaker 1: At this point Clary is like Nina not today. And
Speaker 1: not only does Raphael lay claim and go, no, it's
Speaker 1: her fault, this is her. If you follow her, we
Speaker 1: will be destroyed as a community. So you know, basically
Speaker 1: as we saw Luke did in a previous episode with THEO,
Speaker 1: Raphael makes his claim as the leader of the vampire
Speaker 1: clan of New York. It's a whole thing. Yeah. Now
Speaker 1: we cut to isabel I liked scientist isabel I liked
Speaker 1: scientist isabel and drug addict Isabelle. Everyone did such a
Speaker 1: good job. Those those two especially were really cool like
Speaker 1: variations of that character. And I think she really crushed
Speaker 1: those indeed. So she discovers what does she discover in
Speaker 1: essence that discovers angel blood? Ah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Why would a forsaken have angel blood? Harker back all
Speaker 1: the way back, full circle to the question we had earlier.
Speaker 1: When Old Blackthorn turns up with two, not one forsaken,
Speaker 1: and one of those two forsakens just disappears and we're like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: where are you going? What's going on? All of a
Speaker 1: sudden and he comes into the institute, a great John
Speaker 1: Corp fight moment. The man knows how to fight another.
Speaker 1: I think another big injury in this. Really, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: I think he needed stitches. It was. It was a stunt, sucker,
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, I was pretty bad. See I wasn't
Speaker 1: there that day, so I didn't know. I wasn't either
Speaker 1: told about it afterwards. I think it was. There's a
Speaker 1: move where he holds up the bow staff and just
Speaker 1: like a straight shot that is meant to go through
Speaker 1: the bow staff, went too far and through the bow
Speaker 1: staff and hit him in the top of the head
Speaker 1: and crown of the head. Dear God, pretty sure, although
Speaker 1: I shouldn't speak out a turn, let's let's confirm that, right.
Speaker 1: So the cup is missing at this point, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's with you. Oh no, it's not. That's why the
Speaker 1: first taken attack. No, they don't get it at this point.
Speaker 1: It's still in the same but they come looking for
Speaker 1: it because they know it's at the institute. So the
Speaker 1: institute's in danger because of the cup. Correct, Simon's a
Speaker 1: vampire but on the loose, Alec is engaged to letting
Speaker 1: a round. Well, Clarie and Jays have both been through
Speaker 1: emotional trauma and now we're left to pick up the
Speaker 1: pieces as we move into the next episode. And the
Speaker 1: next one is episode nine. I remember a lot of it.
Speaker 1: I'm still oh that's what it is, because I know
Speaker 1: I'm still dealing with vamparis. So nine as Celie's and Parabatie.
Speaker 1: That's episode nine. It's Celie's, Parabatie and Simon making a
Speaker 1: lot of choices. Correct the reconciliation. Oh, actually, a cool
Speaker 1: little fun fact. I can't know what they're called, like glades.
Speaker 1: Like the weapons that John used as Hodge, those sort
Speaker 1: of hand held the sive but handheld scythes were also
Speaker 1: used in the film by Jared Harris played by Jared Harris. Same.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure those are the same props. Sure, because
Speaker 1: we get to see them again later on and we
Speaker 1: chatted about them. So we'll have to talk about the weapons,
Speaker 1: especially when we get into season two and we have
Speaker 1: the weapons room. Got we got a lot to discuss
Speaker 1: there's lots of cool weapons coming. We have any much
Speaker 1: cool fun like and we got to play. And I
Speaker 1: wonder if anyone I don't think anyone ever spotted the
Speaker 1: one very famous sword that was very often in the background.
Speaker 1: We spotted it. You used it several times. I was
Speaker 1: playing with it all the time. There are like holes
Speaker 1: in our set floor because I used to drop them
Speaker 1: and they were pretty sharps. They would like stick into
Speaker 1: the floor. Man. I mean, between the two of us,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a miracle that the whole set didn't
Speaker 1: fall apart. Between as clumsy as I am and as
Speaker 1: many holes as you put in things, it really really
Speaker 1: is really truly, I digress somehow, Well, cat until next week.
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure as always, and everyone who listened,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. As always. I hope you're staying
Speaker 1: safe and happy and healthy and we love you indeed,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for listening to Return to
Speaker 1: the Shadows. We bid you, Haren Dale and farewell. Return
Speaker 1: to the Shadows is hosted an executive produced by me Dominic,
Speaker 1: Sherwood and Kathryn McNamara. Our executive producer is Lingley. Our
Speaker 1: senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia, and our
Speaker 1: producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin m Original music by
Speaker 1: Alex Kinsey, performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara, and
Speaker 1: the episode was mixed by Seth Alanski