Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealer's Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses, Malone. I mean you know better than anybody.
Speaker 1: You know, Like, producing ain't about pressing no keyboards, or
Speaker 1: just like in Hollywood, it ain't about holding no cameras.
Speaker 1: I think Puff, like people don't want to call Puff
Speaker 1: a producer because they feel like he's not making any
Speaker 1: beats producing. You know, the person that produces a film
Speaker 1: don't mean they held the camera. Hell, the director, not
Speaker 1: even you know, hold no damn camera. A director on
Speaker 1: a real Hollywood set don't hold a camera. He has
Speaker 1: a director of photography, a DP that holds the camera.
Speaker 1: And in certain places they could have a first ad
Speaker 1: that holds the camera.
Speaker 2: You run about that? I mean, I you know, Quincy
Speaker 2: Jones didn't play all those instruments on Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Quincy ain't played none of that shit on Thriller. You know,
Speaker 1: Quincy didn't play none of that ship on Thriller.
Speaker 2: But it was this ear that turned that whole thing
Speaker 2: into what it was.
Speaker 1: But that's what the production is. Just like when somebody's
Speaker 1: making a film. Somebody's making a film when they're producing
Speaker 1: a film. They know the right people to put in
Speaker 1: the room to you know, to manifest the film itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in this age, whenever someone does do that
Speaker 2: that you get co co production credits. Now you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But back in the nineties you didn't
Speaker 2: get shit, you know what I'm saying. I mean, And
Speaker 2: that kind of all started like.
Speaker 1: With Neil Man and all them, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, but even even in Mail in them situation,
Speaker 1: like respect to Mail, because Mail was one of the
Speaker 1: first dudes that looked out for me. You heard Maleman
Speaker 1: music without Doctor d there's a lot of nig shout
Speaker 1: off the mill because I'm not This male style is significantly.
Speaker 2: You can hear about all the producers that say, you
Speaker 2: know that they that work with Dre and and say that, hey,
Speaker 2: I produced this straight. Look, we've all heard their music
Speaker 2: with and without Dre, you know, and it's just it's
Speaker 2: it's night and day.
Speaker 1: It's just different. I will just say it's different.
Speaker 2: Different if it's mix, it's just different.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of niggas be trying to act like
Speaker 1: they did cause ship, But did you hear they ship?
Speaker 1: You be like, cuz this is different, like I've never
Speaker 1: heard no niggas ship. And Scott might be the baddest
Speaker 1: piano motherfucker on the planet Earth. Its Scott a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Scott Storage, that's a bad motherfucker, Cuz,
Speaker 1: but his ship don't sound like that ship with Dre
Speaker 1: cuns start doing shit, that shit sound different. And Scott
Speaker 1: and Mail got some shit. Scott got some shit, mind you, Butter, right, Butter,
Speaker 1: Butter got some dope shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But that shit don't sound like this shit like West
Speaker 1: Side Connection might be one of the baddest motherfucking albums
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite albums of all time, but
Speaker 1: it don't sound like two thousand and one. It just
Speaker 1: don't like that. And again why you can ask yourself
Speaker 1: what Dra does so it don't matter because you know,
Speaker 1: whatever he's not doing, the problem is whatever Cuz is doing,
Speaker 1: it makes that shit sound different. So you could do
Speaker 1: you know, all the critics can about cubs got yeah
Speaker 1: he's an engineer or he blah blah blah blah blah, Yeah, whatever, nigga,
Speaker 1: whatever that is, it is not this. This shit different.
Speaker 2: And you know Dre has always just been that perfectionist.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can remember when I was a child
Speaker 2: and him being a fucking dj K you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and it mixes were just like you know,
Speaker 2: and then there's and then when the Wrecking Crew thing,
Speaker 2: you know, the Surgery song, which was scratchy on that
Speaker 2: everything was just special, you know, so whatever whatever this
Speaker 2: guy touch is a special. You know.
Speaker 1: When I was working on Glasshouse Too, right, I was
Speaker 1: working on Glasshouse Too cause for like, I paid Skip
Speaker 1: Saller like twenty thousand dollars to mix it, like because
Speaker 1: I just wanted no, no, I take that back. That's
Speaker 1: that's what I ended up paying. I gave Skip Saller
Speaker 1: twelve thousand dollars to mix the whole album, like not
Speaker 1: for him to mix it, but to use you know,
Speaker 1: SSL and Skip Sailors console. I was really playing for
Speaker 1: Skip Sailor's knowledge. And I had my boy, Lester Mendoza
Speaker 1: who was working with him, who actually helped me. Right now,
Speaker 1: some new shit, but Lester is like a brilliant mind,
Speaker 1: great years, but you know we're working at Skip Seller.
Speaker 1: It's the world famous Skip Sailors. So I knew I
Speaker 1: was paying because Skip liked me. He was awesome. Motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I love Skip shut out the s up still showing love.
Speaker 1: You know, if you really want to get some game,
Speaker 1: y'all need to really try to lock in what's kept Sailor.
Speaker 1: But I spent twelve thousand dollars that was my mix.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna spend this kind of money
Speaker 1: to mix an album because I wanted to get on
Speaker 1: their ss cell and I was listening to two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, so I was chasing those mixes, and I
Speaker 1: could tell you, motherfuckers right now, it ain't the mixing.
Speaker 1: It ain't the fucking mixing. It's shit that got to
Speaker 1: be done in pre during and post production and then
Speaker 1: in the mix. So it's the shit he doing before
Speaker 1: they start, right when they're doing it, and when they
Speaker 1: finish it, and then mixing it. That's what makes dre
Speaker 1: shit sound like that. It is not as simple. I
Speaker 1: end up spending twelve thousand, started, end up spending another
Speaker 1: eight just chasing those mixes to only come to the conclusion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna catch those mixes. Them mixes is out
Speaker 1: of here, so let's stop. Even you know, I don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck, let's stop even fucking with this. To me,
Speaker 1: doctor Dres, like Floyd Mayweather when I talk about boxing,
Speaker 1: Floyd is so far past every other boxer, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And this is no disrespecting no fighter
Speaker 1: because it's some bad motherfuckers. But he's so fat I
Speaker 1: don't even use him. People not going like Floyd. No,
Speaker 1: nothing like Floyd. That's how I feel about Dre. He'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, he's the versus. It's nothing like Dre.
Speaker 1: We're not even gonna do this, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I learned that the hard way, and it cost
Speaker 1: me a ton of money.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: I mean that this motherfucker is way more. You know,
Speaker 1: it's because motherfuckers. Oh, Dre just engineered. He ain't that good.
Speaker 1: And I don't fuck with you that he ain't that
Speaker 1: fucking good. That he does everything beginning when they starting
Speaker 1: the production, when they doing the production and recording the song.
Speaker 1: You know how he demands your vocals to be is
Speaker 1: because he's probably looking for sonic spaces because for you
Speaker 1: to fit. Then, you know what I'm saying. When he's
Speaker 1: doing the production, and then when he starts to ask
Speaker 1: ship and post production and then in the mixing and
Speaker 1: probably this motherfuckers there when they're mastering it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and it's a lot of the
Speaker 2: little things that make a difference, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like I was listening to that song, you know, what
Speaker 2: would you do by the dog pound?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then I was just blown away by all the
Speaker 2: ship going on in the background, you know. And then
Speaker 2: and then you have Juel's part, and and he Doctor
Speaker 2: Drake put that in. You know what I'm saying, what
Speaker 2: would you do? Well? That makes the whole song the dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but that's what he does. And motherfuckers be thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I didn't heard some motherfuckers in some
Speaker 1: private room say some ship, and I'll be thinking to
Speaker 1: myself like huh. And then I go listen to that
Speaker 1: ship and I'm like, huh, yeah I heard. I'll be
Speaker 1: hearing it all this for Dre, and I'm like, do
Speaker 1: all this shit for yourself, because your ship don't get
Speaker 1: because niggas this is. That's not every last nigga that
Speaker 1: Dre has ever worked with when it comes to music.
Speaker 1: I idolized them, including Doctor Dre itself. That's the top
Speaker 1: the pinnacle, right but make no mistake, what Warren G
Speaker 1: does it's still far out from me. What Dash Dillinger
Speaker 1: does is still out for far from where battle Cat
Speaker 1: does is still far out from where I'm at. But
Speaker 1: to those dudes credit, I can ask them questions and
Speaker 1: they'll say, okay, glasses, this is what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: Like Dazz, to me, has been the most instrumental in
Speaker 1: how I produce. Dash taught me some ship that they
Speaker 1: was doing with death Ro that I didn't pay attention to.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, this is how we were doing it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn. And I thought about it,
Speaker 1: like oh that makes sense. And even some stuff in
Speaker 1: post production I had I have to call Dash and
Speaker 1: asking Battlecat really Dre the only advice he gave me
Speaker 1: is about percussions, and it's like my top secret shit.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, that's the only two things he
Speaker 1: taught me. And then but Das has taught me a
Speaker 1: lot of shit. Warren and mixing like Warren helped me understand.
Speaker 1: Warren G helped me understand how important it is to like,
Speaker 1: mixing is not really a science as much as it's
Speaker 1: an art. Don't get me wrong. There are a few
Speaker 1: scientific methods, but that's production is more of a science.
Speaker 1: It seems so tedious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched quick through it one time when it
Speaker 2: was Sloops album. I think it was a Blue Carpet
Speaker 2: or the one after that. The name escapes me. But
Speaker 2: he was hired to do that album and I was
Speaker 2: in the studio with him and Terrorists, and I just
Speaker 2: watched them mix and it was just over and over again,
Speaker 2: over playing over again, do it again. I mean it
Speaker 2: just every little every little part of that song, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. He was just you know, every
Speaker 2: second of it.
Speaker 1: Super meticulous. No ceilings, I don't facts, no sellings, gl
Speaker 1: you already know what time it is. I got my
Speaker 1: men Styles in the house. Styles one of the first
Speaker 1: motherfuckers to ever really focus on West Coast hip hop
Speaker 1: as a whole, as a journalist, as a personality. I
Speaker 1: mean period, period, because it's not a lot of presence
Speaker 1: before it without online, Like I mean, I don't remember
Speaker 1: no West Coast magazines that really had a full coastal presence. Yeah, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like we were just all
Speaker 1: coach It's just low writer magazine. It wasn't no sources
Speaker 1: of double exales out. This was no writer magazine, So
Speaker 1: so I can say minus the fact that it was
Speaker 1: the internet, it really was kind of the first of
Speaker 1: its kind.
Speaker 2: Well you know what, it was just four fellas from
Speaker 2: California that came together. We all met on the on
Speaker 2: the DPG records for him. Dads Forum of course had
Speaker 2: a fucking form.
Speaker 1: Ye had a dope form. Game form used to be cracking.
Speaker 2: Dads had the form. Death Row had the forum. And
Speaker 2: that's kind of like how I got involved because, uh,
Speaker 2: I think I was home and I saw in the
Speaker 2: news that Sugar Night was was leaking Snoop's album on
Speaker 2: his website. You know, you know the they said that
Speaker 2: on the fucking news. Yeah, yeah, that was on the
Speaker 2: news because it was he was signed a master repe
Speaker 2: and it was his last album, the Last Meal, and
Speaker 2: Sugar was leaking that. He put it on his on
Speaker 2: the death Row website, and I said, I gotta get online. Man,
Speaker 2: I didn't get this sets some bush and I don't
Speaker 2: know shut it down. Yeah, they shut it down after
Speaker 2: a day, but he leaked his whole album and I said, man,
Speaker 2: I had get one of those. Al just sure and go,
Speaker 2: I gotta get online man, and that's boom. I started
Speaker 2: searching for their death Row website, and then I saw
Speaker 2: their forum, and then on their forum, I saw that
Speaker 2: it was people were were beefing with the DPG records
Speaker 2: for like, whoa.
Speaker 1: There's another.
Speaker 2: So bloom. I got on there and I immediately just
Speaker 2: started interacting, so interacting.
Speaker 1: The original social media, yeah, you know. And then but
Speaker 1: what happened is that.
Speaker 2: As a treat to all the other people on the forum,
Speaker 2: I'd get music and started and I started waking it online,
Speaker 2: like you know, I started dropping new songs from all
Speaker 2: like the different local guys, like I started just finding them,
Speaker 2: you know. I'd go to the record stores of Mom
Speaker 2: and Pops and just get all the mixtapes and and uh,
Speaker 2: I had to actually find servers because there were no
Speaker 2: servers available at the time, and so I had to
Speaker 2: like use temporary servers. But I upload them and it
Speaker 2: would take me all fucking day to do it too,
Speaker 2: because it was dial up. Sure, there's no there's no
Speaker 2: DSL at the time all. So it took me all
Speaker 2: night to do that. Ship and Napster was around at
Speaker 2: the time, and that was reason to get online, was
Speaker 2: to go to nap Napster, and then lime Wire. But
Speaker 2: the songs you couldn't get on the Lime Wire and Napster.
Speaker 2: This was like all the West Coast ship, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, all the you know, and and I'd
Speaker 2: find him at record stores and so I started putting
Speaker 2: songs online on the forum and they started calling me
Speaker 2: mister Audio. That's that's how I got my I'm just
Speaker 2: known that mister Audio. My user name was styles too,
Speaker 2: you know. So people started trying to recruit me, like
Speaker 2: you know, like pop up websites whatever. But for the
Speaker 2: fellas on there started a site called c Riders.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: That's how it was original and w C Writers working
Speaker 2: for West Coast Writers. It was Sea Writers, and they
Speaker 2: asked me to be a part of it, and I said, sure,
Speaker 2: I got the song I like you guys to lead.
Speaker 2: And it was a song called I Never Changed by
Speaker 2: Corrupt that Jay Wells produced. And the thing was that
Speaker 2: this was the song was a rumored at the time
Speaker 2: because of the of the corruption and Dad's beef, and
Speaker 2: so this was Corrupts and he was telling us buddies,
Speaker 2: I never changed, I never you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not the one that changed, just because I'm at
Speaker 2: death Row, you know. And I had the only version
Speaker 2: of that song and I found it at Tower Records
Speaker 2: at Dorfridge of all places. I don't know how it
Speaker 2: got there, but there was just a scene by Jay
Speaker 2: Wells called the wolf Pack CV.
Speaker 1: Jay Wells used to put out a lot of music and.
Speaker 2: They had that song on there. I mean, I agree.
Speaker 2: Immediately gravitated to that CD and I picked it up
Speaker 2: and I looked on the back and I never changed corrupt.
Speaker 2: And then I had a bunch of other songs by
Speaker 2: like the Alcoholics, some random guys.
Speaker 1: The Alcoholics just no, but but feel me like this
Speaker 1: song was so demand, but it's like a couple of
Speaker 1: random exhibit alcoholics, a couple of guys, some random some
Speaker 1: random superstars in West Coast hip hop said facts song
Speaker 1: that everybody wanted was this corrupt song.
Speaker 2: And I got it. That's dope, and I put it online.
Speaker 2: It was the only version. So West Coast Writer started
Speaker 2: off with a bang, you know, because that started it started.
Speaker 2: Everybody came for that, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: then the next thing I dropped and I was crooked.
Speaker 2: I just released a mixtape on death Row, but he
Speaker 2: was only selling it locally, and you know, the death
Speaker 2: Row fanily.
Speaker 1: We didn't. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't, honestly, And
Speaker 1: because I'm a part of that generation of those things,
Speaker 1: none of us look for music online at that time.
Speaker 1: So you're right, like you service, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think people everywhere else was more online than people in
Speaker 1: l A was online. So that's what made especially when
Speaker 1: you were probably servicing people in Germany and all these places,
Speaker 1: because this is the closest they could come to.
Speaker 2: They couldn't this sieve that that death Row was selling it,
Speaker 2: but they're only shipping it out, but they weren't shipping
Speaker 2: out the ordering a victim for road their ship, you know.
Speaker 2: But Crooked I released locally here in LA and it
Speaker 2: was at a record shop in Burdbank, Backside Records, I believe,
Speaker 2: and I bought a copy of it. And man, we
Speaker 2: leave that ship online.
Speaker 1: Which got pissed off at me wich crazy because it
Speaker 1: can't do nothing to help because they there's no way
Speaker 1: they can cater to the orders from all of these people.
Speaker 1: Because I remember the Homie order and some shit. He
Speaker 1: was like, man, I never got my ship. I should
Speaker 1: shout out to rig because rids then wasn't sending people
Speaker 1: ship on time. But yeah, that's dope, that's a dupe start.
Speaker 1: I never I never knew. I never knew that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to criokandized mixtape and you only get
Speaker 2: it at West Coast Riders, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so and so, I just the light went on
Speaker 2: in my head. I was like, man, this is something
Speaker 2: that special. Yeah, something special, you know. And then from
Speaker 2: there I started dropping a mixtape a week, and I
Speaker 2: called the Attack of the Killer Mixtapes. And this was
Speaker 2: before that, Pith. There was no fucking place where you
Speaker 2: can download mixtapes or whatever. But I get each like
Speaker 2: I get like a strong arm setting mixtape, or you know,
Speaker 2: from this artist or that artist, or sometimes we make
Speaker 2: up our own We like to compile all these different
Speaker 2: songs to make our own little mixtape, you know. But
Speaker 2: I dropped once one a week, and everybody just started
Speaker 2: coming to the site to just boom.
Speaker 1: This is in the early two thousand. This got this
Speaker 1: was like around two thousands, that two thousand, like two
Speaker 1: two thousand, you know what I mean. Because I didn't
Speaker 1: hear nothing about like West Coast Riders until two thousand
Speaker 1: and four. Yeah, that's the first time I heard, but
Speaker 1: it was already booming, and you would be on the
Speaker 1: forums and it'd be like all of these people from like.
Speaker 2: Europe or Asia or and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: how is this possible?
Speaker 1: You feel me? And it's crazy because I was as
Speaker 1: a kid. I had the Internet in nineteen ninety, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know what obviously it was going to become
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid. So I remember when
Speaker 1: I first got on and how I figured out what
Speaker 1: West Coast Roders was because at that time I was surfing.
Speaker 1: I would be on g Ride would kind of make
Speaker 1: it a thing. We would all go on Black Wall
Speaker 1: Street dot com. That's all I knew. So if it
Speaker 1: wasn't my space, no, not MySpace set, that might've been
Speaker 1: my Space that she.
Speaker 2: Was natimily about the crooked like she was g Right
Speaker 2: Now that's funny, Yeah.
Speaker 1: G I wasn't fucking with def Ro, was it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: h that makes sense because g Right had always been
Speaker 1: tapped there. So fast forward, I'm on the Black Wall
Speaker 1: Street and like you would interact with all these people
Speaker 1: from Europe, all these people from Asia, all these people
Speaker 1: from Australia, like all over the world and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. And somebody posted a link to a
Speaker 1: story written on West Coast Riders on Black Wall Street.
Speaker 1: That's how I found it, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is dope, Like it's a bunch of And then
Speaker 1: I noticed like all of you guys were like. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they like, oh these people from here,
Speaker 1: So I'm like they programming the world. So but fuck that. Like,
Speaker 1: what I don't want to do is make this.
Speaker 2: About me and you, right, because we should do that
Speaker 2: on something we do for our shit.
Speaker 1: I think people don't know how deep your information goes
Speaker 1: to West Coast hip hop for real. So I got
Speaker 1: a couple theories, okay, and I want you to tell
Speaker 1: me how you feel about him, because you're one of
Speaker 1: the few people to me that can keep up with
Speaker 1: all of my homework and all of my research. Everybody
Speaker 1: came like I have all the time, Like a lot
Speaker 1: of time I had to call short I got to
Speaker 1: call niggas that was there, like Iced Tea, and he'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I never tripped off that, And I'll
Speaker 1: be telling ice T some shit to make him remember it.
Speaker 1: So you would be up on it because you it's
Speaker 1: your livelihood, and it's your passion, and it's what you know.
Speaker 1: You are close enough to remember some of these things.
Speaker 2: So is it fair to say, right, if hip hop
Speaker 2: is a party, it's a hip hop right, the hop
Speaker 2: is a party that calls the hop.
Speaker 1: So in the seventies, people don't realize that's where hip
Speaker 1: hop came from. He was talking about his party and
Speaker 1: the projects, and he called it a hip hop number
Speaker 1: hip being cool. It was the hop. That's where it
Speaker 1: came from. So a lot of times when I say
Speaker 1: hip hop is a party, most people don't know that.
Speaker 1: But that's why he called his party the hip hop. Okay,
Speaker 1: right boom so all the music and all the breaks
Speaker 1: that you know how they danced at the time to
Speaker 1: breaks break boys, b boys right or bronx stale boys,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, fast forward. So a lot
Speaker 1: of times when I say hip hop comes from two
Speaker 1: crews mainly in La World Class Wrecking Crew and Uncle
Speaker 1: Jam's Army, because they had the two biggest and best
Speaker 1: party crewise, or at least the most important party crews
Speaker 1: in urban America. Is that fair is fair? So I
Speaker 1: had a really dope conversation with Alonzo about how him
Speaker 1: and Roger were working at Alpine Village together and Roger
Speaker 1: snatched Alpine Village. Roger Clayton forgive me for anybody listening,
Speaker 1: you really should notice if you're a fan of West
Speaker 1: Coast hip hop, but Roger Clayton is probably the most
Speaker 1: instrumental member you know in Jangle Jam's Army. Uncle Jam's
Speaker 1: Army had the best parties in LA, parties at the
Speaker 1: sports Arena. Ll yeah, they would bring anybody here. All
Speaker 1: the hip hop acts came through Roger Klayton and Uncle
Speaker 1: Jams are right. Lee York Cohen was another party promoter
Speaker 1: too that most people don't know that out of LA.
Speaker 1: But that's a whole different story. But there's a third though.
Speaker 1: Tell me.
Speaker 2: The Knicks Masters in the mixed with Greg Mack and
Speaker 2: his party. The guys who got kd Yes did all
Speaker 2: a lot of concerts and promotions, you know, they did
Speaker 2: like the skate lands and they did all the you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Greg Nack was also a promoter as well as I
Speaker 2: don't know that, and he started the Nix Masters to
Speaker 2: compete with Uncle Jams armony. So you got the world
Speaker 2: where you got the world class record crew. Uncle Jam's
Speaker 2: Armony and the and the Mixed Masters, Toty g Uh,
Speaker 2: Jammy Gemini.
Speaker 1: Sure a lot of music came from there, Joe Cooley,
Speaker 1: A lot of music came from there that we exactly.
Speaker 1: I think you know what came from there, Joe Cooley
Speaker 1: and Ronnio and uh dream Team. I think that's from
Speaker 1: that because also Kid Frost and Tony G. So that's
Speaker 1: Frost come there. So that means uh slider shade of
Speaker 1: brown came from there. That had to be come through
Speaker 1: that pipeline.
Speaker 2: Pipeline.
Speaker 1: So those those three pipelines. And I'm glad you corrected me.
Speaker 1: And that's why have styles here. If y'all motherfucker's listening,
Speaker 1: this is why because he actually can have a different
Speaker 1: level of history than somebody studying it by actually remembering.
Speaker 2: The whole Latin movement was shouted with Tony G.
Speaker 1: It is to me, which is the most important, I
Speaker 1: mean outside of you know, that launched the whole thing
Speaker 1: hip hop? To me, it just La Raza is the song.
Speaker 1: That's just that's like, that's when we look like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck that ship is tight? That ship was on TV.
Speaker 1: You know these dudes is from l A. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: so uncle Jam's army, right, this is how you get
Speaker 1: iced tea Egyptian lover. This is how you get a Bobcat.
Speaker 1: Bobcat poo pooh. Battle Cat is trying to be he's
Speaker 1: a baby, but he's trying to be.
Speaker 2: In my flood? Was there all of that stuff?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? So then everything that falls from that tier,
Speaker 1: and then World Class Record Crew obviously is doctor dre
Speaker 1: right c i a q jenks KD. Right. Also, now
Speaker 1: you got this crazy treat that end up becoming the
Speaker 1: n w A easy and everything. He's biggest hip hop here.
Speaker 1: Then you got so Uncle James Army back to the
Speaker 1: ice tea. That's how you get the alcoholics, correct, because
Speaker 1: you get King t through it ice and.
Speaker 2: Also uh nixed special stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah unknown who was a part of World Class Record Crew.
Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me, uncle Johns. That's how you get
Speaker 1: Compass most Wanted, which was discovered which is a common
Speaker 1: and that's because they were kind of discovered by Alonzo
Speaker 1: in World Class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean you could really you know, study
Speaker 2: all this, you know what I mean, see all the
Speaker 2: dots that are connected, you know, and.
Speaker 1: It's super dope, right, So I look at those three
Speaker 1: party crews. And I had posted something on Twitter probably
Speaker 1: about a month ago, and I was saying, YG is
Speaker 1: probably the most disrespected West Coast artist in history. And
Speaker 1: everybody couldn't believe it. Was like people was calling my
Speaker 1: phone and I'm like, y'all don't get it. They created
Speaker 1: a party crew, right the Pushes which launched right tie
Speaker 1: Dollar Sign, Mustard and YG. It came from another just
Speaker 1: a party crew that used to throw parties, and people
Speaker 1: don't know. That's why I said, it's one of the
Speaker 1: few movements that was disconnected from the original. You know,
Speaker 1: you always.
Speaker 2: Credited WHITEG for that, And I even mentioned it to
Speaker 2: WHITEG personally interviews, like when I've interviewed them, said they
Speaker 2: look glasses, said you know this about you and then
Speaker 2: how important you are to this current West Coast movement,
Speaker 2: you know, and you would always be appreciative.
Speaker 1: Of true to that. But think about it hip hop
Speaker 1: being a party They started as a party crew. So
Speaker 1: where does quick fall into that? How do we line
Speaker 1: quick up? Do we line quick through? Because through Eric,
Speaker 1: do we line quick up too easy? How do we
Speaker 1: bring quick into it?
Speaker 2: She's his own tree man?
Speaker 1: Is it his own tree?
Speaker 2: He is his own tree. I almost feel like because
Speaker 2: I'm telling you when you go back to the red tapes,
Speaker 2: what you're dropped in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know he was right. She didn't have it launched
Speaker 2: worldwide like MWA and you were.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, but that stuff wasn't last worldwide.
Speaker 2: But I mean but by then, by nine, by eighty eight,
Speaker 2: they were already like shaking up the world.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, wasn't sure. But in their
Speaker 1: origins it wasn't launch worldwide. So that's why I'm giving
Speaker 1: credence to your point, like that's how it started. So
Speaker 1: I guess they are there on party crew that just
Speaker 1: didn't throw a lot of parties as much as everybody else,
Speaker 1: but they use it.
Speaker 2: What you got sugar free, sugar free, Moss Barsberg ship,
Speaker 2: you know, AMG to some degree, it's a bomb tree man.
Speaker 1: The reason I'm saying that is because it's more about
Speaker 1: the party. And it makes sense when you're saying Greg
Speaker 1: Mack would throw parties, yeah, because hip hop is all
Speaker 1: about the party. Even people talk about the message, but
Speaker 1: the message you could boogie to. It's a party song.
Speaker 1: That's why Coyler. Ray could use it, you know, forty
Speaker 1: fifty years from you know, forty forty some years and
Speaker 1: make a great party.
Speaker 2: Song and they would all go to the cost of Comirio.
Speaker 2: That's where like Greg would throw a lot of his parties.
Speaker 2: And that's where him and Easy and Dre all hooked up.
Speaker 2: When when they brought him Boys in the Hood to
Speaker 2: listen to it in the car, They're all at the
Speaker 2: cost of coming to real at a party, you know,
Speaker 2: just hanging out, and then Drake's like, hey, come listen
Speaker 2: to this, brought him to the car. Greg was blown away.
Speaker 2: They gave He demanded a clean version of the song.
Speaker 2: Of course they gave Gray went in and did it
Speaker 2: right away and brought it to him and most requested
Speaker 2: song on KD. Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 1: People don't really give credit for Easy breaking in w
Speaker 1: A Easy broke that shit with that, Oh yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Dreve was crazy, but I think his R and B
Speaker 1: background helped him a lot. Two were melodies. Most of
Speaker 1: the hip hop dudes came straight from hip hop, you know.
Speaker 1: They was like kids, just drum loops. But Drake came
Speaker 1: from having to make R and B and actually like
Speaker 1: a real serious party type of R and B because
Speaker 1: you know, lines on them ship was still about the
Speaker 1: party and the bitches. You know, they had the women.
Speaker 1: They had to have the women party and so I
Speaker 1: think that's dope. And and those to me are the
Speaker 1: things that you know, we should do more things to
Speaker 1: highlight we like you.
Speaker 2: Know, the Wrecking Crew always gets pushed to the side
Speaker 2: and can saw the spotlight. But I mean, but if
Speaker 2: you listen to those songs, are great parties, juice, that
Speaker 2: just it's.
Speaker 1: Just they're coming to the end of the disco era
Speaker 1: and that that was the problem. Like going into the eighties,
Speaker 1: disco didn't like Disco was kind of I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people committed to disco not realizing they was
Speaker 1: gonna be short lived.
Speaker 2: But you know, but but at that time and that
Speaker 2: in that period of time, you had to be a showman.
Speaker 2: And that included the you know how they know it's
Speaker 2: the time and that's how you know, a lot of
Speaker 2: people for dressing. But I mean, that was what you did.
Speaker 2: That's what urban entertainers did Africa men Bata you know,
Speaker 2: and fuck but fuck the rappers. Look at the Grand
Speaker 2: National Flash.
Speaker 1: Fuck the rappers. Just look at Prince and Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: at that time. That's how they're dressing like black showmen,
Speaker 1: like like show.
Speaker 2: And that's what you did at the time. The uh,
Speaker 2: you know, pay his dudes in the game, you know,
Speaker 2: and and what's about as motherfucker and and learning you know,
Speaker 2: but and to but but to me though, as a
Speaker 2: as a tid seen Dre Bean the surgeon, you know
Speaker 2: in World Class Working Crew, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden it be the gangster at w A. I was like,
Speaker 2: what the.
Speaker 1: It's crazy at I'm gonna keep real with you. The
Speaker 1: R and B niggas be the craziest one, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the craziest niggas I ever hung out with
Speaker 1: with Trey Songs. But I was just like, man, the
Speaker 1: R and B beef is the worst them dudes be
Speaker 1: really fighting them dudes, really be all the new addition.
Speaker 1: Niggas come from the projects. They all come from this
Speaker 1: worst place in Boston. Life is one of the ones.
Speaker 1: You just told you his story, you see, was in prison.
Speaker 1: But the R and B dudes, look at Chris, Chris
Speaker 1: didn't been in more fights than most rappers for dumb
Speaker 1: sh it.
Speaker 2: But you know, even you know the big homie Ice Street.
Speaker 2: Shout out to my big homie that much loved eyes.
Speaker 2: You was even liking one of your pictures right now,
Speaker 2: one long grap that I put in, you know. But
Speaker 2: but even him, you know, I knew Ice as from
Speaker 2: the movie Breaking Yeah, and you know and also reckless
Speaker 2: with Chrystal Glove and you know the glove.
Speaker 1: Real mud Chris. Chris actually mixed on, Chris actually mixed
Speaker 1: on one of my records. Were Battleay fed up Wow
Speaker 1: on a new album, Wow Chris, and watching it work,
Speaker 1: it was so artistic. So it like with Warren, explained
Speaker 1: to me, I got to see in real life with
Speaker 1: Christ the glove, Chris did a lot of shit on
Speaker 1: the chronic for people that don't know a lot of ship,
Speaker 1: a lot of ship Chris is built. Look up Christ.
Speaker 2: And but shooting even the type of maked reckless, you know,
Speaker 2: and then uh, I break their hands, you know, and
Speaker 2: then you know, all of a sudden, the shift comes
Speaker 2: for six in the morning, and you know, and all
Speaker 2: the other songs that drop colors, and I was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: But the irony is I didn't know about his life
Speaker 2: back then, but who he was in the you know
Speaker 2: on the street.
Speaker 1: What's crazy is there's a belief right, and I do
Speaker 1: blame gangster rap in this exception for this that made
Speaker 1: it like niggas wasn't really talented. All my older homies
Speaker 1: that came from that generation can skate like figure skaters.
Speaker 1: I mean, some of the craziest niggas I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: blow your fucking head off. You take the ass the
Speaker 1: world on wheels or skate depot or any of these
Speaker 1: skate rings. They out skate CHRISTI Yamagucci. These motherfuckers can skate,
Speaker 1: but you would never know that because you look at
Speaker 1: him and you know the clothes or something like. These
Speaker 1: niggas are all extremely talented. They could play drums and
Speaker 1: pianos and shit. I'm like, but that's because gangster rap
Speaker 1: kind of. It's the reason why the West Coast hip
Speaker 1: hop was so successful because it was so boxed. You
Speaker 1: could put it in a box and sell it. It
Speaker 1: was okay because if you show that niggas could skate,
Speaker 1: you might have not taken his seas. You might they
Speaker 1: not that dip. See a nigga out there. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about my homies, got Stacy Adams skates sh them niggas,
Speaker 1: like all of these niggas could dance. All these niggas
Speaker 1: could dance. You know, people don't look at kripwalk. How
Speaker 1: light on your feet you gotta be to really be
Speaker 1: a good crip walk like a it's a cat name
Speaker 1: Space Ghost from nine Oh look him up online if
Speaker 1: you're listening to this, But it's a cat name Space.
Speaker 2: He's in jail right now for murder. You got life,
Speaker 2: you know, sad situation.
Speaker 1: But you know, Ghost was one of those kind of guys,
Speaker 1: So hopefully they ever figured out or whatever it's meant
Speaker 1: for God. But awesome, brother, and I'm talking about this
Speaker 1: motherfucker is the lightest motherfucker on his toes. So you
Speaker 1: don't really realize how talented that generation is, but you were,
Speaker 1: you know, your age gave you the ability to see
Speaker 1: it and then see the change. So he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it felt like this shit can't
Speaker 1: be took as serious or the reality is these dudes
Speaker 1: are really just talented. It was a little bit of both.
Speaker 2: You know, at first, I was like, is this for real?
Speaker 2: But then you know, you start to learn more about
Speaker 2: it and like, gol shit, you know, when after colors,
Speaker 2: life changed, sore, you know, life changed after colors.
Speaker 1: Colors and boys and just.
Speaker 2: You know, it took everything was red and blue after that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was like I remember,
Speaker 2: after colors dropped, even.
Speaker 1: Mexican gangs starts choosing red and blue.
Speaker 2: We're doing that.
Speaker 1: Most people don't know. Crips and bloods. The colors are late.
Speaker 1: That's not at the inception like in sixty nine when
Speaker 1: when Raymond Washington and his boys started the crips, and
Speaker 1: his boys is one of his boys rest in peace.
Speaker 1: His name is Craig. They started crips, it wasn't blue.
Speaker 1: Seventy one when TOOKI and came around, it wasn't blue.
Speaker 1: It took years before blue and red start happening. One
Speaker 1: of my OJI homies told me a story how his
Speaker 1: older brother was a brim my boy, see will move rockslanker.
Speaker 1: He was telling me his older brother they remember when
Speaker 1: they came around and said, hey, we ain't wearing no
Speaker 1: more blue, no more. Like he remembers the day they
Speaker 1: were driving around the cars to tell everybody like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're wearing red now, and then you know, blah blah.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's late in the game. Left right side,
Speaker 1: late in the game. These are not rules. At the
Speaker 1: establishment of culture. Culture takes time. Hip Hop started off,
Speaker 1: like a lot of the homework I did, hip hop
Speaker 1: started off just funking disco. Reggae came in later, Spanish
Speaker 1: stuff came in, but it didn't come in later, it
Speaker 1: came in. Imagine like the pregnancy of hip hop is
Speaker 1: from seventy to seventy nine, and then hip hop is
Speaker 1: birth to the world, right, it comes out into the world.
Speaker 1: It's just in the it's just in the womb of
Speaker 1: New York. You know, it's just in the womb of
Speaker 1: New York work. And then it's berthed out to the
Speaker 1: world with rappers delight. I mean, it comes out and
Speaker 1: so we people don't realize how much shit is in there.
Speaker 1: And it's like I said on my last podcast or
Speaker 1: excuse me, after the podcast celebrating hip hop fifty years,
Speaker 1: and I was telling him, I was like, hip hop
Speaker 1: always has the same father, poverty and oppression. See, rap
Speaker 1: don't need poverty and oppression. And this is my thought,
Speaker 1: rap don't need anybody could rap. Blondie was rapping in
Speaker 1: the setond Oh Yeah, Joe Text to me is one
Speaker 1: of the guys that started rapping and started the first
Speaker 1: person calling it rapping. Look up Joe Text who. A
Speaker 1: lot of people say James Brown stole a lot of
Speaker 1: his stylef from but they he started, but he started
Speaker 1: calling his style. He got an album called rapping like
Speaker 1: that was his style rapping. So it's like one of
Speaker 1: those things where when you really get to it and
Speaker 1: you understand it at the roof, you can redesign it
Speaker 1: anywhere you want to, having.
Speaker 2: The elements of hip hop of all it just before
Speaker 2: hip hop, you know.
Speaker 1: It's just how the street urban communities did.
Speaker 2: It and how it all came together the street.
Speaker 1: Because people been dancing, people been people been DJ's way before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this jockey. So I was happy I was talking to
Speaker 1: you earlier before we started doing this ship for me. Right,
Speaker 1: the two most important impactful records in the history of
Speaker 1: West Coast rap, not just gangst wrapping West Coast rap
Speaker 1: right or six in the Morning.
Speaker 2: And don't fight the feeling. Okay, why you don't fight
Speaker 2: the feeling?
Speaker 1: Because so you know why six in the morning every
Speaker 1: last time keep doing this whole genre, So, but don't
Speaker 1: fight the feeling became the sound that we called g funk.
Speaker 1: It became this danceable hard funk, right because we had
Speaker 1: we had experimented with funk before that, right, but it
Speaker 1: was slower, groovy funk. You get what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: if you think about it earlier before that, like T
Speaker 1: and Spade, they had a nice, groovy, slower funk n
Speaker 1: w A. They used more of a James Brown kind
Speaker 1: of funk where it was drum loops and brakes, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't it didn't center, it didn't focus on the
Speaker 1: base as this moving entity. So don't fight. The feeling
Speaker 1: is dope because it's like I remember talking to Player
Speaker 1: Ham and I was asking Player Ham. I'm like, man, like,
Speaker 1: you know this is this is the eighties. So this
Speaker 1: is when Quickest living with him and Quickest starting to
Speaker 1: work on what became the Red Tape. Yeah, So he's like, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, what was y'all listening to?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 1: Because I think about Tonight and I'm like, that was
Speaker 1: a one off down here, Like we didn't have other
Speaker 1: songs like tonight when I was, you know, encountering in
Speaker 1: eighty eight eighty nine, like that.
Speaker 2: Was songs were sampled like like not like that. I
Speaker 2: was like, how, you know, what was y'all listening to?
Speaker 2: And I was like, because you could have been listening
Speaker 2: w because y'all have been making music like break Beats,
Speaker 2: you couldn't.
Speaker 1: Have been listening to the I don't be me wrong.
Speaker 1: I think Colors is a funky song, but it's a
Speaker 1: different kind of It's not a danceable funk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's you know, Don't Fight the Feeling's
Speaker 2: boom up boom boom boom bom boom.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, we was listening to too short
Speaker 1: because we was on that player. Shit gotch and I
Speaker 1: started looking at that around that time. It was like,
Speaker 1: really we kept playing Don't Fight the Feeling, And when
Speaker 1: you listen to Tonight, say he got to ask you
Speaker 1: a question? Feel me? So then go back and listen
Speaker 1: to you What a fuck? So they ain't gonna listen
Speaker 1: to Tonight?
Speaker 2: Now okay, now go back.
Speaker 1: So now when you hear Tonight, go play Don't Fight
Speaker 1: the Feeling and then't go play to Know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's in the same thing. You know, you will see
Speaker 1: where that kind of style. Because those two records became
Speaker 1: what are known as the West Coast fundamental hip hop
Speaker 1: records like in hip in New York, the first two
Speaker 1: obviously is Rappers Delight and the message, well here is
Speaker 1: six in the Morning and don't fight the philing.
Speaker 2: That's I can see that.
Speaker 1: If you had to pick two records in hip hop,
Speaker 1: where would you feel as far as West Coast hip
Speaker 1: hop to these two records. I like these influences because
Speaker 1: they did this. Obviously you agree with six in the Morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixth in the Morning is you know God that
Speaker 2: it's a tough one because you always go back and.
Speaker 1: I know, you know, you sure didn't bring that groove.
Speaker 2: You know, and when you could move, when you can move,
Speaker 2: you's talking crazy. G Funk to me started with the
Speaker 2: Ohio players. That the worm, you know, because that's where
Speaker 2: Drake got the jo. Drake take the base, you know
Speaker 2: that did play with those tops like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's so the funky Worm to me is the real
Speaker 2: bother of hip hop of G funk.
Speaker 1: Not mad at that, you know, because it brought in
Speaker 1: the p funk field. And credit to uh Let's make
Speaker 1: sure credit to uh Hutch because Huts came over. Yeah, Huts.
Speaker 1: So let's start with us came up with the term
Speaker 1: g funk. So that's not what we talked. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Hutch.
Speaker 1: So so I love what Hudge did.
Speaker 2: Hutch took Parliament and turned it into the slow groove
Speaker 2: on the group, you know what I mean? Sure, and
Speaker 2: that's where Dre heard that.
Speaker 1: Dude, dude, but that's a Hutch. But you know what's funny.
Speaker 1: I feel like Quick has inspired the West Coast Southern
Speaker 1: excuse me, the Southern California movement musically a couple of
Speaker 1: times that we kind of give to Dre. And this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound crazy, no disrespect, God, that's not what
Speaker 1: I'm That's not what I'm saying. But I think when
Speaker 1: you listen to Tonight. So when Michael Jackson first came
Speaker 1: to Quincy Jones and I'm sorry to jump over here,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna show you why I'm jumping over here
Speaker 1: to come back over here. So, when Michael Jackson first
Speaker 1: started working on rock with you excuse me, on Off
Speaker 1: the Wall and Thriller. Right, So, Michael Jackson works with
Speaker 1: Off the Wall and Off the Walls. The success people
Speaker 1: love off the Off the Wall is dight. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love Off the Wall, but it was like kind of
Speaker 1: a disco era, and the disco era was done, so
Speaker 1: they spent a ton of money and it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is cool, but where are we gonna go? So
Speaker 1: when they looking at Thriller, they're starting to make records,
Speaker 1: but the records ain't really the shit. But as they're
Speaker 1: going out to urban scenes and they going out to
Speaker 1: the clubs and checking what's going on, it wasn't the
Speaker 1: biggest thing in the world. But if you went to
Speaker 1: that club and you saw Rick James, that's what put
Speaker 1: pressure on Quincy and Michael to respond with Thriller. Because
Speaker 1: they going to the scene, they might not be going
Speaker 1: to the biggest disco. Rick James may not be the
Speaker 1: best song player at the biggest disco because at that time,
Speaker 1: disco was the biggest club. There's five thousand people up
Speaker 1: in these motherfuckers. But when you was there and you
Speaker 1: went to those clubs where you know that the people
Speaker 1: was at the folks is at and Rick James came on,
Speaker 1: I think you had to see that and like this
Speaker 1: shit is different, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: So now when you listen to Thriller, you know doom Doom, Doom, doom, Doom,
Speaker 1: the first line of thriller is the first one of
Speaker 1: Rick James, you know what I mean. And I know
Speaker 1: we heard the Hall of Notes. That's where you get
Speaker 1: Billy Jane from all notes. I can't go for that.
Speaker 1: It's so many of those records to me like that, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's what happened to Dre when
Speaker 1: he started to So he's coming out of NWA's coming
Speaker 1: out of you know, ruthless. He's starting to work on
Speaker 1: what's going to be the chronic I think him the
Speaker 1: easiest on bad term. So he's trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: He's looking. He's still working break beats, right, He's still
Speaker 1: working break beats. You know. Obviously that's where they had
Speaker 1: deep covering, and I'm sure they were so proud because
Speaker 1: that's like a really dope baseline group with a breakbeat.
Speaker 1: But I think he was looking. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: I did think he saw Hudson in but I think
Speaker 1: you had to go out in nineteen eighty nine and
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one you saw DJ Quick, So yeah,
Speaker 1: he probably wasn't at the best Hollywood, the biggest Hollywood
Speaker 1: club pressure if you went to anything we was at
Speaker 1: and you've seen quick shit happen. You had to respond
Speaker 1: with something that was super danceable, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you had to really do something because quick Shit
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles from eighty seven when that shit first
Speaker 1: started happening, eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety when the tape
Speaker 1: finally came out on was it Profile at the time
Speaker 1: came out on Profile? I think it was ninety or
Speaker 1: ninety one. That ship was running the party, any party
Speaker 1: that we was at, Like, Rick, like, that's our Rick
Speaker 1: James born and raised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember being born in range Crop, you know,
Speaker 2: like that shit was like the big So I know
Speaker 2: Dre is looking at that coming off of n W
Speaker 2: A coming off Doc, coming off of Easy, you know,
Speaker 2: coming off of the shit he was making like this
Speaker 2: break beat stout.
Speaker 1: He like, that shit is not a breakbeat. Tonight born
Speaker 1: tonight is not a breakbeat? You like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: The whole groove And that's why I said, that's why
Speaker 2: I give a lot of credit to the short record.
Speaker 1: But fast forward back to here. I think him watching
Speaker 1: quick seeing it happen, like damn, I gotta start here.
Speaker 1: This is I gotta start here. And you could tell
Speaker 1: you wasn't sure because when you listen to the chronic
Speaker 1: it was still Doctor Dre's style of breakbeats. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of the songs were still you know, straining
Speaker 1: on Death Road. It was. It was that style of record.
Speaker 1: But when he took those gambols right fuck with dred,
Speaker 1: oh right, g thing right and let me ride. When
Speaker 1: he took those chances, he was like, oh, this ship
Speaker 1: is it and here's so by the time he got
Speaker 1: the dog and then he you know, he hadn't call
Speaker 1: it and working the all the he went next level
Speaker 1: like Quincy Jones, Like Rick James is one guy playing
Speaker 1: all this ship. Rick playing all this ship. He just
Speaker 1: playing ship and doing crazy. Quincy, come in, he gonna
Speaker 1: have the best motherfuckers playing the ship. I don't give
Speaker 1: fuck how dope Rick James is Quincy gonna call it
Speaker 1: in the baddest motherfucker's playing the strings. You know it's
Speaker 1: it's a brother that lives in the valley, one of
Speaker 1: the homeboys, Pops played the strings. He called in the
Speaker 1: baddest motherfuckers. Like all the ship. Rick was just feeling.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm gonna get the baddest motherfuckers that
Speaker 1: do that and then, so that's why we get the
Speaker 1: product thriller. Well that's what happened with Dra when we
Speaker 1: get Doggie Staff see like the chronic and this is
Speaker 1: all theory, right, because I never sat down an ass doctors.
Speaker 1: I'm asking one day, I don't think. I'm like, it
Speaker 1: makes sense. So you know how music happens?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. How people, other
Speaker 2: people influenced hell other people, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think Dre and then was going out right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you still riding high, but you got to
Speaker 1: be at a low point because you left ruthless. Right,
Speaker 1: You're like, damn, I gotta figure this out. Snoop had
Speaker 1: been around. Snoop's name had been around, like Warren had
Speaker 1: been trying to, you know, pond Snoop off on the
Speaker 1: Dre and he was like, I don't know until he
Speaker 1: saw that ship rocking at a party, he was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got something. This is something. Even if I don't
Speaker 1: get it this party get it. Because Warren tells a
Speaker 1: story that Warren put it on at a party at
Speaker 1: one of Dre's party, when Dre was gone in another room,
Speaker 1: he comes back out there like, Hey this nigga, who
Speaker 1: the fuck? And that's Snoop Dogg at the time. So
Speaker 1: I think when they look at when Dre was going
Speaker 1: out and he was having these parties, they're playing the
Speaker 1: quick record, they're looking at their records, and they looking
Speaker 1: at the quick records and they like, you know, and
Speaker 1: to me, that's what NWA and the early Drey style
Speaker 1: was like disco, you know what I mean, that's how
Speaker 1: that is. But when you going and you looking at
Speaker 1: that shit, you like, man, this we gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: step in it. I gotta do something else, like I
Speaker 1: gotta figure this shit out, because this production took a
Speaker 1: crazy gamble when they came to the chronic. Remember they
Speaker 1: had tried it with again, I say they tried it
Speaker 1: with deep Cover. They was like, Okay, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: with the formula. Deep Cover is a late eighties Doctor
Speaker 1: Dre record.
Speaker 2: Can I feel it? You know?
Speaker 1: And breaking all that? Yeah, I mean it's dope. But
Speaker 1: when you hear g thing that was not I feel
Speaker 1: like Dre had ever did before. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: he had played around with leads, right, the funky leads
Speaker 1: on different songs, but the beat wasn't as hardcore funk
Speaker 1: and wasn't a danceable fuck it was kind of like
Speaker 1: hard but g thing was like smooth.
Speaker 2: She took I want to do something freaking song.
Speaker 1: Broke that ship down into ways that had never been
Speaker 1: broke down. Yeah right, fuck with Dreda. Dreda is crazy,
Speaker 1: like you hear it? You like? And I think quick
Speaker 1: hitting the scenes hard is a muse for that were
Speaker 1: he like, oh yeah, I can't let this. And as
Speaker 1: a musician, like in twenty eleven, when I finally he
Speaker 1: was like all right, like I'm doing something I'm doing wrong.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. My bank account they say I
Speaker 1: was doing something wrong. But when I was gold places
Speaker 1: and people was playing music, I was like my music,
Speaker 1: Like they tried to play my song headed chars like
Speaker 1: I don't play that shit. That ain't right. And I
Speaker 1: went back and he starts showing me what his job
Speaker 1: was as a DJ, and that kind of opened me up.
Speaker 1: And then that's when that good came out. It was like,
Speaker 1: y'all need to make something to compete. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it all goes back to the DJ. Yeah, what's a DJ? Game?
Speaker 2: DJ?
Speaker 1: You know, so they.
Speaker 2: Understand movement and they understand what gets people moving or
Speaker 2: get what you know gets people feeling in a certain way.
Speaker 1: It's like I was looking at the movie Ray, praying
Speaker 1: for Jamie Fox to Jamie Fox get better, big dog,
Speaker 1: good dude. I was looking at Ray and the movie
Speaker 1: about Ray Charles and he was about to start working
Speaker 1: on the record. He had signed a record deal and
Speaker 1: they put him on the road to play music to
Speaker 1: figure out what he was gonna make when he came back.
Speaker 1: I think James Brown was so dope because or Or
Speaker 1: bands at that time were so killer. It's because they
Speaker 1: had to play fucking music to eat dinner. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they could not gamble like a lot of rappers can
Speaker 1: put out glasses long, gonna put out anything and did
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. But it's different when you that committed
Speaker 1: as a musician to where you're like, what I play
Speaker 1: tonight at this party, at this you know, at this
Speaker 1: uh what they call them things? Uh it was in
Speaker 1: color purple, Uh juke joint. Whatever music I play at
Speaker 1: this juw joint is gonna determine if dinner tonight. So
Speaker 1: I need to play the songs motherfuckers want to.
Speaker 2: That's how they got paid. I mean when you look
Speaker 2: at their record, uh royalties, what they get like, well,
Speaker 2: five cents like the ray, I'll pay you five cents
Speaker 2: to record.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people tell you a lot
Speaker 1: of shit, but I'm I'm gonna tell you foss and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you foss on the record. So I
Speaker 1: think DJ's became one man bands. They are the one
Speaker 1: man band. So like a lot of jazz brown Ship,
Speaker 1: like I said, the dudes had to go out on
Speaker 1: the road and cover ship. So I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times when we hear when they finally start to
Speaker 1: make their own music and successful, how much ship they
Speaker 1: went through to be in that position. They went through
Speaker 1: a lot of ship.
Speaker 2: A lot of rehearsing, a lot of you know, And
Speaker 2: I know James was tough on his uh, on his group,
Speaker 2: you know, like get it right, get that beat right,
Speaker 2: get that you know, you watch the James Brown was.
Speaker 1: God bless him. I love the guy, but you hard.
Speaker 2: He was hard on him. He was like get out,
Speaker 2: you know you didn't like it, you know, kick him
Speaker 2: out or some bad motherfuckers you get down.
Speaker 1: Came back with boosy on niggas that crazy, So give me,
Speaker 1: give me the other record. I was asking, what's what's
Speaker 1: the if If yours is six in the morning, what's
Speaker 1: the other record?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not gonna choose George because you chose George,
Speaker 2: but you know I I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1: Just just the groove to me feel that launched the
Speaker 1: whole style of West Coast Records.
Speaker 2: The song to me and just wanted to But this
Speaker 2: is personal, I mean, because you know how it impacted
Speaker 2: me was when I first heard dope man, mm, I
Speaker 2: was in school. I was probably like in tenth grade
Speaker 2: or something. I came home one day my brother you know,
Speaker 2: had you know, had my radio and you had a
Speaker 2: tape in there, and all I.
Speaker 1: Heard was you could suck my dick.
Speaker 2: I never heard hipp rap like that before. Never was hard,
Speaker 2: never my fucking life, you know, I mean, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: There was a roof on fire where they said, we know,
Speaker 2: you know, water the mother fucker.
Speaker 1: Versus being being bad is different than being.
Speaker 2: Some ship, you know, I mean, rather the two Life
Speaker 2: Crew they had you know, hey, you want to but
Speaker 2: this was nothing like what you know, ice cube way.
Speaker 2: She was yelling at the time.
Speaker 1: It was one said said by man quick Dope man, please,
Speaker 1: I can't have another hit the dope man shit yet.
Speaker 2: I don't give it ship if your girl kneel down
Speaker 2: and sucked my my.
Speaker 1: I first heard that, I was like, yeah, as a kid,
Speaker 1: that shit had to be the filter. You know what's funny,
Speaker 1: that's a great record because what it did for, like
Speaker 1: profanity and gangster rap, was different in that style. He
Speaker 1: was using that yelling ship, yelling ship, and he mastered
Speaker 1: it because I think I heard Ice team do it before,
Speaker 1: but I never heard it sound like sound like he
Speaker 1: was pissed off. Man. I had this dope thought. You
Speaker 1: tell me your opinion on it's funny, right, dope thought.
Speaker 2: I said, Ice Tea is the god of gangster rapp,
Speaker 2: the godfather or the god the god. Okay, this is
Speaker 2: the foundation of it.
Speaker 1: This is so so Schooony d has a style that
Speaker 1: we referenced, but schooly De Ship was still about DJs
Speaker 1: and rappers. Yeah, it wasn't. It was hard, That's what
Speaker 1: it was. PSK was hard. Six in the Morning is gangster.
Speaker 1: It's no DJ. Nobody's talking about the DJ.
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody about rappers, draws and somebody actually goes to
Speaker 2: prison in the song go to prison and go to prison.
Speaker 2: So it really was like so I called it because
Speaker 2: that became the foundation of what we know as gangster rap.
Speaker 2: I mean ship, I mean boys in the Hood. Even
Speaker 2: the story stare Boys in the Hood. Tonight is a
Speaker 2: version of six in the morning. Regulate today was a
Speaker 2: good day is six in the morning.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't line it up, but these are all
Speaker 1: the suns of six And Tupac Must Die is six
Speaker 1: in the morning. You mean so, but that's dope. Dope
Speaker 1: Man is one of those songs that sometimes and I
Speaker 1: had a song called I Sell Dope, like my version
Speaker 1: of dope Man. So that's a dope song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to me, you know, it launched the whole
Speaker 2: attitude in music, that particular song, that particular song. You
Speaker 2: know it did because it was on a tape n
Speaker 2: w A and the Posse, and there was a lot
Speaker 2: of songs on there that you know, like fat Girl
Speaker 2: or whatever whatever you know, But dope Man punched you
Speaker 2: right in the face.
Speaker 1: Well you got to remember because it made it to
Speaker 1: the real w A forget me because I called thee.
Speaker 2: They put it on the on the on the on
Speaker 2: the other. But it was originally on on the posse
Speaker 2: and you know, and that tape was.
Speaker 1: You know what's cool. The songs that was great was great.
Speaker 2: But that was the standout song on there. And it
Speaker 2: was just really just floording man and you know rappers,
Speaker 2: and they were there saying that.
Speaker 1: So ce so so ice Tea is God. Right, Cube
Speaker 1: is the Moses. So to me, the most important part
Speaker 1: of the Old Testament, it's Moses. He's the most important character.
Speaker 1: He wrote the fight books, right, you know, Moses is
Speaker 1: the and to me, ice Cube is the most important
Speaker 1: character of the eighties of the central piece of gangster rap.
Speaker 1: Ice Tea became like this person that's bigger than life.
Speaker 1: At that point, he just floated over the genre and
Speaker 1: he would come back in and send down the colors
Speaker 1: like a tablet, you know what I mean. He just
Speaker 1: send it down boom and you reading, you like, this
Speaker 1: shit is like a prophecy.
Speaker 2: You know. He talked about game making in la in Away,
Speaker 2: cause that shit, if you think about it, it's like
Speaker 2: just multiplied.
Speaker 1: And now you look, you like, what the fuck this
Speaker 1: motherfucker here is like you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: and then so Cube came in for Cube came and
Speaker 1: carry out what that idea was every to every science
Speaker 1: and it just wasn't n w A might have been
Speaker 1: on other people from the community. But then he gets
Speaker 1: to his record and it's like, yo, if you got
Speaker 1: to store my community and you taking advantage of people,
Speaker 1: you if you robbing my.
Speaker 2: People entertainment, you certificate ever he got and he put
Speaker 2: that attitude and he came out and carried Ice Tea's
Speaker 2: wheel with everybody.
Speaker 1: Anybody, if you were a Korean, you had a storage
Speaker 1: with you like Moses, and he like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: think nobody else could have put out the records.
Speaker 2: He said, slap the jap up, cleaned the crap up.
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, And he said it, and I
Speaker 1: think he's the only one I could have got with
Speaker 1: it got away with it then. And I called Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg Jesus because he came in for Field, the ship
Speaker 1: that they told you was going to be at the
Speaker 1: highest level. That's the good of that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If it makes sense, yeah, right? And people
Speaker 1: asking about different people and I'm like, they're not as
Speaker 1: centerpieced as these three guys when it comes to just gangster.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there were those three figures, and
Speaker 2: there are other people along the way.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of them. I'm the Baptist, you know,
Speaker 1: other people. If we start taking time. I had to
Speaker 1: start figuring it out because I think people like ton
Speaker 1: Lope don't get enough credit.
Speaker 2: Correct obviously, Eric Tody, t Spade and Tea Yeah, Toddy
Speaker 2: t bat around. I mean, man, that was nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: five talking about just start.
Speaker 1: Those three people were integrowing. How we see gangster rap today?
Speaker 1: Oh sure, I just to this day. I can't get
Speaker 1: over that, you know what I'm saying. It's like every
Speaker 1: time I think about it. Yeah, I mean, you know, And.
Speaker 2: The thing about gangster rapp is that, you know, I
Speaker 2: know a lot of people like to shy it away
Speaker 2: from it, and they're doing like some weird stuff now
Speaker 2: where they kind of like talk and you know, and
Speaker 2: the style out here in LA it's kind of really changed.
Speaker 2: But there's still a longing for that game that hard
Speaker 2: gangster raps out.
Speaker 1: The part is they still all gangsters. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to fun. I tell them what I'm not glad,
Speaker 1: Well that's oh are you still a crip? Yeah? But
Speaker 1: it's just different, No, it's not. You still be for
Speaker 1: the other gang members. Yeah, but it's not different.
Speaker 2: Then Sometimes I just I want to hear some gangster shit. Man,
Speaker 2: I want to hear some funk. I want to hear
Speaker 2: some groove. I want to hear you know, I want
Speaker 2: to hear all that, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And that's what thirty years thirty you know, but thirty
Speaker 2: five years, you know, gangs raps been out and I
Speaker 2: still haven't gotten tired of it. Man, you know, I
Speaker 2: can still play all the songs from back then, but
Speaker 2: you know, from the nineties and even you know, the
Speaker 2: two thousands and.
Speaker 1: Tough, you know, all birth from real origins of celebrate
Speaker 1: the music on the West, Like it's hard to fuck
Speaker 1: with that funk. I would always say, Dre kind of mastered.
Speaker 1: What we see is p funk, Like he had this
Speaker 1: harder funk, and then Cat had this R and B.
Speaker 1: Cat had this R and B funk, like his R
Speaker 1: and B part of his funk, Like he always had
Speaker 1: these amazing melodies that don't get credit quick as like
Speaker 1: disco funk. Quick ship is you know. I had a
Speaker 1: weird epiphany again back to the same point. Hip hop
Speaker 1: very is the party and I and I said the
Speaker 1: greatest party out of the South is a many fresh
Speaker 1: and juvenile party. Maybe we could maybe we could kind
Speaker 1: of rival it with Luke and mixed party at Tula
Speaker 1: and that. But I'm saying, but that's a good party too.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying I think the greatest party out the
Speaker 1: South is probably Ye, but all of them ships when
Speaker 1: they do it, it's gonna fuck you up the whole party.
Speaker 1: And I was saying, Dre and Snoop is that party
Speaker 1: for us? But I was like, if you're having a
Speaker 1: party in Los Angeles and you have a two stages,
Speaker 1: two stages and people hear from here, and you have
Speaker 1: Drey and Snoop doing a party, they doing a song,
Speaker 1: and you have Quick and Free and I'm like, they
Speaker 1: just playing their joints back to back and they just
Speaker 1: rapping in it. What's the better party here in LA?
Speaker 1: And I was like, that to me is what Rick
Speaker 1: James represented to Quincy Jones. It's like, you might be
Speaker 1: you might be the global star, but you know when
Speaker 1: it comes down to this motherfucking groove, who the god is? Yo?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: So I was thinking, they do that's the party? Thinking
Speaker 1: about that party Free, it's Dre and snoopy, Who that
Speaker 1: party and they can go just as long if it's here,
Speaker 1: that ship would be epic. Oh yeah, who is that in?
Speaker 1: Who is that in these coasts? I mean do we
Speaker 1: really know about parties coast? Who is there?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Who is that in these coasts? Who got that kind
Speaker 1: of history with cuts? Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it a?
Speaker 1: Is it puffing Big puffing Big jew puffing Big got
Speaker 1: the lounge party joints, you.
Speaker 2: Know, hypnotized you know that comes on that or you know,
Speaker 2: going back to Cali, I.
Speaker 1: Was just talking to d you know, I was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who ran the party, what combination of
Speaker 1: DJ and artists ran the party in New York?
Speaker 2: You know New York is is its own beast, you
Speaker 2: know the island. I mean, you know you got the
Speaker 2: DJ's at the Apollo like Kid Capri and.
Speaker 1: They got to get the party going. That's what's wrong.
Speaker 1: That's what's wrong with you read alert. That's what's wrong
Speaker 1: with home too. That's what's wrong with hip hop. It's
Speaker 1: not fun, it's not partying. That's what's wrong with our sides.
Speaker 1: We ain't got the party. See that the other guy's
Speaker 1: trying to make the other reps you can't really party too.
Speaker 1: Ye got to get back to the party. Fuck with
Speaker 1: you saying the music. That's the thing. Like when Dre
Speaker 1: and them would still they be talking some ship about easy,
Speaker 1: but it was over doom, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was over that George Clay part Yeple Leon Haywood
Speaker 1: already had it rocket with I want to do something
Speaker 1: forging of you. These are successful party songs. Lord knows
Speaker 1: you go through Doggystown a just fucking ham. But that's
Speaker 1: why Doggie Style is the greatest album in hip hop,
Speaker 1: because it's the greatest party.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you Doggie Style. I remember the first
Speaker 2: time I heard what about Nellie and gun if you had,
Speaker 2: you know, in the fun of the Homies town. Then
Speaker 2: at a at a club the first time I heard it,
Speaker 2: and all the girls were singing.
Speaker 1: Yea worth work. He's saying the most and you've seen
Speaker 1: the most licked my ball and.
Speaker 2: It corrupts if corrupt gave a funk about a bitch
Speaker 2: and they would sing a word for word, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I was seeing like, man, I would think
Speaker 2: you girls would be offended body this ship.
Speaker 1: She was calling them bitch. I knew the power of music.
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