WEBVTT - Conversations About Left Coast Hip Hop 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:04.480 Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.560 Sealer's Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:18.599 load glasses, Malone. I mean you know better than anybody. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:23.159 You know, Like, producing ain't about pressing no keyboards, or 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:29.120 just like in Hollywood, it ain't about holding no cameras. 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.800 I think Puff, like people don't want to call Puff 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.880 a producer because they feel like he's not making any 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.480 beats producing. You know, the person that produces a film 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.959 don't mean they held the camera. Hell, the director, not 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.720 even you know, hold no damn camera. A director on 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.239 a real Hollywood set don't hold a camera. He has 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.160 a director of photography, a DP that holds the camera. 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.920 And in certain places they could have a first ad 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:57.840 that holds the camera. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.920 You run about that? I mean, I you know, Quincy 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.759 Jones didn't play all those instruments on Michael Jackson. 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.080 Quincy ain't played none of that shit on Thriller. You know, 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.679 Quincy didn't play none of that ship on Thriller. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.640 But it was this ear that turned that whole thing 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:14.520 into what it was. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.160 But that's what the production is. Just like when somebody's 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:23.480 making a film. Somebody's making a film when they're producing 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.160 a film. They know the right people to put in 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.560 the room to you know, to manifest the film itself. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.080 Yeah, but in this age, whenever someone does do that 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.680 that you get co co production credits. Now you know 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.360 what I'm saying. But back in the nineties you didn't 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:44.200 get shit, you know what I'm saying. I mean, And 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:45.360 that kind of all started like. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.240 With Neil Man and all them, you know what I mean, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.640 you know, Yeah, but even even in Mail in them situation, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.800 like respect to Mail, because Mail was one of the 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.680 first dudes that looked out for me. You heard Maleman 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:03.160 music without Doctor d there's a lot of nig shout 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.120 off the mill because I'm not This male style is significantly. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.280 You can hear about all the producers that say, you 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.000 know that they that work with Dre and and say that, hey, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.280 I produced this straight. Look, we've all heard their music 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.480 with and without Dre, you know, and it's just it's 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:22.400 it's night and day. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.040 It's just different. I will just say it's different. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:33.280 Different if it's mix, it's just different. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.600 There's a lot of niggas be trying to act like 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.840 they did cause ship, But did you hear they ship? 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.680 You be like, cuz this is different, like I've never 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.600 heard no niggas ship. And Scott might be the baddest 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.639 piano motherfucker on the planet Earth. Its Scott a bad motherfucker. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.360 Shout out to Scott Storage, that's a bad motherfucker, Cuz, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:59.240 but his ship don't sound like that ship with Dre 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:04.320 cuns start doing shit, that shit sound different. And Scott 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.720 and Mail got some shit. Scott got some shit, mind you, Butter, right, Butter, 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.640 Butter got some dope shit, you know what I'm saying. 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:15.600 But that shit don't sound like this shit like West 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.760 Side Connection might be one of the baddest motherfucking albums 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.480 and one of my favorite albums of all time, but 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.920 it don't sound like two thousand and one. It just 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.520 don't like that. And again why you can ask yourself 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.720 what Dra does so it don't matter because you know, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.320 whatever he's not doing, the problem is whatever Cuz is doing, 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.640 it makes that shit sound different. So you could do 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.680 you know, all the critics can about cubs got yeah 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:46.160 he's an engineer or he blah blah blah blah blah, Yeah, whatever, nigga, 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.120 whatever that is, it is not this. This shit different. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:54.240 And you know Dre has always just been that perfectionist. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.960 I mean, I can remember when I was a child 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.920 and him being a fucking dj K you know what 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.960 I'm saying, and it mixes were just like you know, 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.200 and then there's and then when the Wrecking Crew thing, 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.320 you know, the Surgery song, which was scratchy on that 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:16.200 everything was just special, you know, so whatever whatever this 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:17.960 guy touch is a special. You know. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.880 When I was working on Glasshouse Too, right, I was 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.479 working on Glasshouse Too cause for like, I paid Skip 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.440 Saller like twenty thousand dollars to mix it, like because 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.000 I just wanted no, no, I take that back. That's 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.800 that's what I ended up paying. I gave Skip Saller 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.960 twelve thousand dollars to mix the whole album, like not 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.039 for him to mix it, but to use you know, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.520 SSL and Skip Sailors console. I was really playing for 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.480 Skip Sailor's knowledge. And I had my boy, Lester Mendoza 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.600 who was working with him, who actually helped me. Right now, 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.440 some new shit, but Lester is like a brilliant mind, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.240 great years, but you know we're working at Skip Seller. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.000 It's the world famous Skip Sailors. So I knew I 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.680 was paying because Skip liked me. He was awesome. Motherfucker. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:04:58.840 Man. 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.480 I love Skip shut out the s up still showing love. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.720 You know, if you really want to get some game, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.279 y'all need to really try to lock in what's kept Sailor. 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.719 But I spent twelve thousand dollars that was my mix. 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.280 I was like, I'm gonna spend this kind of money 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.159 to mix an album because I wanted to get on 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.840 their ss cell and I was listening to two thousand 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.919 and one, so I was chasing those mixes, and I 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.320 could tell you, motherfuckers right now, it ain't the mixing. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.840 It ain't the fucking mixing. It's shit that got to 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.960 be done in pre during and post production and then 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.240 in the mix. So it's the shit he doing before 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:40.760 they start, right when they're doing it, and when they 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:45.920 finish it, and then mixing it. That's what makes dre 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.120 shit sound like that. It is not as simple. I 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.479 end up spending twelve thousand, started, end up spending another 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.200 eight just chasing those mixes to only come to the conclusion, Yeah, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:58.160 I'm not gonna catch those mixes. Them mixes is out 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:02.599 of here, so let's stop. Even you know, I don't 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.839 give a fuck, let's stop even fucking with this. To me, 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.440 doctor Dres, like Floyd Mayweather when I talk about boxing, 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.920 Floyd is so far past every other boxer, you know 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.400 what I mean. And this is no disrespecting no fighter 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.280 because it's some bad motherfuckers. But he's so fat I 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.760 don't even use him. People not going like Floyd. No, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.280 nothing like Floyd. That's how I feel about Dre. He'd 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.120 be like, oh, he's the versus. It's nothing like Dre. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.360 We're not even gonna do this, you know what I'm saying. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.120 So I learned that the hard way, and it cost 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:33.040 me a ton of money. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:33.360 Damn. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.080 I mean that this motherfucker is way more. You know, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.800 it's because motherfuckers. Oh, Dre just engineered. He ain't that good. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.200 And I don't fuck with you that he ain't that 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:48.919 fucking good. That he does everything beginning when they starting 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.800 the production, when they doing the production and recording the song. 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:56.880 You know how he demands your vocals to be is 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.599 because he's probably looking for sonic spaces because for you 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.560 to fit. Then, you know what I'm saying. When he's 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.880 doing the production, and then when he starts to ask 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.720 ship and post production and then in the mixing and 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.080 probably this motherfuckers there when they're mastering it. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.920 Yeah, and you know, and it's a lot of the 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.360 little things that make a difference, you know what I'm saying. 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:17.880 Like I was listening to that song, you know, what 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:19.720 would you do by the dog pound? 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:20.400 Yeah? 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.520 And then I was just blown away by all the 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.840 ship going on in the background, you know. And then 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:31.040 and then you have Juel's part, and and he Doctor 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:32.760 Drake put that in. You know what I'm saying, what 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:37.720 would you do? Well? That makes the whole song the dog. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:49.080 Yeah, yeah, but that's what he does. And motherfuckers be thinking. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.840 I'm telling you, I didn't heard some motherfuckers in some 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.920 private room say some ship, and I'll be thinking to 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.600 myself like huh. And then I go listen to that 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.520 ship and I'm like, huh, yeah I heard. I'll be 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.960 hearing it all this for Dre, and I'm like, do 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.920 all this shit for yourself, because your ship don't get 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.080 because niggas this is. That's not every last nigga that 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.240 Dre has ever worked with when it comes to music. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:19.480 I idolized them, including Doctor Dre itself. That's the top 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.080 the pinnacle, right but make no mistake, what Warren G 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.800 does it's still far out from me. What Dash Dillinger 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.240 does is still out for far from where battle Cat 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.320 does is still far out from where I'm at. But 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.200 to those dudes credit, I can ask them questions and 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.280 they'll say, okay, glasses, this is what you gotta do. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.920 Like Dazz, to me, has been the most instrumental in 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.920 how I produce. Dash taught me some ship that they 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.440 was doing with death Ro that I didn't pay attention to. 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.600 He was like, oh, this is how we were doing it, 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.160 and I was like, damn. And I thought about it, 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:58.680 like oh that makes sense. And even some stuff in 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.800 post production I had I have to call Dash and 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.760 asking Battlecat really Dre the only advice he gave me 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.319 is about percussions, and it's like my top secret shit. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.120 I was like, damn, that's the only two things he 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.400 taught me. And then but Das has taught me a 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.520 lot of shit. Warren and mixing like Warren helped me understand. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:21.520 Warren G helped me understand how important it is to like, 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.760 mixing is not really a science as much as it's 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.520 an art. Don't get me wrong. There are a few 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:33.160 scientific methods, but that's production is more of a science. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:34.319 It seems so tedious. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.360 Yeah, I watched quick through it one time when it 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:42.240 was Sloops album. I think it was a Blue Carpet 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.679 or the one after that. The name escapes me. But 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.800 he was hired to do that album and I was 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.960 in the studio with him and Terrorists, and I just 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.400 watched them mix and it was just over and over again, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.719 over playing over again, do it again. I mean it 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.880 just every little every little part of that song, you 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.040 know what I mean. He was just you know, every 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:04.719 second of it. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:10.520 Super meticulous. No ceilings, I don't facts, no sellings, gl 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.680 you already know what time it is. I got my 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.040 men Styles in the house. Styles one of the first 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.480 motherfuckers to ever really focus on West Coast hip hop 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.360 as a whole, as a journalist, as a personality. I 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.520 mean period, period, because it's not a lot of presence 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.080 before it without online, Like I mean, I don't remember 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:36.440 no West Coast magazines that really had a full coastal presence. Yeah, right, right, right, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.040 you know what I'm saying, Like we were just all 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.280 coach It's just low writer magazine. It wasn't no sources 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:46.400 of double exales out. This was no writer magazine, So 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.440 so I can say minus the fact that it was 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.440 the internet, it really was kind of the first of 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:53.000 its kind. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:59.120 Well you know what, it was just four fellas from 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:03.200 California that came together. We all met on the on 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:07.240 the DPG records for him. Dads Forum of course had 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:07.960 a fucking form. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:12.600 Ye had a dope form. Game form used to be cracking. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.320 Dads had the form. Death Row had the forum. And 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.439 that's kind of like how I got involved because, uh, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.920 I think I was home and I saw in the 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:29.360 news that Sugar Night was was leaking Snoop's album on 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.319 his website. You know, you know the they said that 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.320 on the fucking news. Yeah, yeah, that was on the 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.040 news because it was he was signed a master repe 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:41.800 and it was his last album, the Last Meal, and 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.240 Sugar was leaking that. He put it on his on 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.040 the death Row website, and I said, I gotta get online. Man, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.520 I didn't get this sets some bush and I don't 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.120 know shut it down. Yeah, they shut it down after 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:59.320 a day, but he leaked his whole album and I said, man, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.280 I had get one of those. Al just sure and go, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:05.920 I gotta get online man, and that's boom. I started 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.560 searching for their death Row website, and then I saw 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.840 their forum, and then on their forum, I saw that 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:16.360 it was people were were beefing with the DPG records 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:17.679 for like, whoa. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:18.360 There's another. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.880 So bloom. I got on there and I immediately just 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.280 started interacting, so interacting. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.760 The original social media, yeah, you know. And then but 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:28.880 what happened is that. 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:36.160 As a treat to all the other people on the forum, 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.840 I'd get music and started and I started waking it online, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.880 like you know, I started dropping new songs from all 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.920 like the different local guys, like I started just finding them, 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.319 you know. I'd go to the record stores of Mom 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:54.679 and Pops and just get all the mixtapes and and uh, 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.040 I had to actually find servers because there were no 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.320 servers available at the time, and so I had to 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:06.079 like use temporary servers. But I upload them and it 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.800 would take me all fucking day to do it too, 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.400 because it was dial up. Sure, there's no there's no 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.120 DSL at the time all. So it took me all 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.120 night to do that. Ship and Napster was around at 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.800 the time, and that was reason to get online, was 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.440 to go to nap Napster, and then lime Wire. But 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.080 the songs you couldn't get on the Lime Wire and Napster. 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.640 This was like all the West Coast ship, you know 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.800 what I mean, all the you know, and and I'd 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.720 find him at record stores and so I started putting 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.600 songs online on the forum and they started calling me 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.160 mister Audio. That's that's how I got my I'm just 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.120 known that mister Audio. My user name was styles too, 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:50.080 you know. So people started trying to recruit me, like 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:55.400 you know, like pop up websites whatever. But for the 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.160 fellas on there started a site called c Riders. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:13:58.880 Wow. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.600 That's how it was original and w C Writers working 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.000 for West Coast Writers. It was Sea Writers, and they 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.400 asked me to be a part of it, and I said, sure, 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.280 I got the song I like you guys to lead. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.880 And it was a song called I Never Changed by 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.680 Corrupt that Jay Wells produced. And the thing was that 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.120 this was the song was a rumored at the time 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.560 because of the of the corruption and Dad's beef, and 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.200 so this was Corrupts and he was telling us buddies, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.920 I never changed, I never you know what I mean, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.760 I'm not the one that changed, just because I'm at 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:38.400 death Row, you know. And I had the only version 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:43.080 of that song and I found it at Tower Records 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.120 at Dorfridge of all places. I don't know how it 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.040 got there, but there was just a scene by Jay 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.600 Wells called the wolf Pack CV. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.560 Jay Wells used to put out a lot of music and. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.000 They had that song on there. I mean, I agree. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.280 Immediately gravitated to that CD and I picked it up 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.480 and I looked on the back and I never changed corrupt. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.280 And then I had a bunch of other songs by 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.680 like the Alcoholics, some random guys. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.280 The Alcoholics just no, but but feel me like this 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.000 song was so demand, but it's like a couple of 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:22.440 random exhibit alcoholics, a couple of guys, some random some 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.720 random superstars in West Coast hip hop said facts song 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.000 that everybody wanted was this corrupt song. 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.840 And I got it. That's dope, and I put it online. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.400 It was the only version. So West Coast Writer started 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.400 off with a bang, you know, because that started it started. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.000 Everybody came for that, you know what I mean. And 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:46.400 then the next thing I dropped and I was crooked. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.920 I just released a mixtape on death Row, but he 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.480 was only selling it locally, and you know, the death 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:54.280 Row fanily. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.520 We didn't. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't, honestly, And 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.720 because I'm a part of that generation of those things, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.720 none of us look for music online at that time. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.400 So you're right, like you service, you know, and I 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.960 think people everywhere else was more online than people in 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.400 l A was online. So that's what made especially when 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.560 you were probably servicing people in Germany and all these places, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.400 because this is the closest they could come to. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:24.720 They couldn't this sieve that that death Row was selling it, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.000 but they're only shipping it out, but they weren't shipping 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.600 out the ordering a victim for road their ship, you know. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.800 But Crooked I released locally here in LA and it 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:39.120 was at a record shop in Burdbank, Backside Records, I believe, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:46.080 and I bought a copy of it. And man, we 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:47.600 leave that ship online. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.440 Which got pissed off at me wich crazy because it 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.360 can't do nothing to help because they there's no way 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.440 they can cater to the orders from all of these people. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.040 Because I remember the Homie order and some shit. He 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.720 was like, man, I never got my ship. I should 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.560 shout out to rig because rids then wasn't sending people 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.120 ship on time. But yeah, that's dope, that's a dupe start. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.080 I never I never knew. I never knew that. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:17.400 Yeah, I used to criokandized mixtape and you only get 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.320 it at West Coast Riders, you know what I mean. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.840 And so and so, I just the light went on 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:24.560 in my head. I was like, man, this is something 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.080 that special. Yeah, something special, you know. And then from 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.879 there I started dropping a mixtape a week, and I 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.000 called the Attack of the Killer Mixtapes. And this was 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.920 before that, Pith. There was no fucking place where you 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.040 can download mixtapes or whatever. But I get each like 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.199 I get like a strong arm setting mixtape, or you know, 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.719 from this artist or that artist, or sometimes we make 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.399 up our own We like to compile all these different 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.480 songs to make our own little mixtape, you know. But 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.720 I dropped once one a week, and everybody just started 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.480 coming to the site to just boom. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.760 This is in the early two thousand. This got this 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.440 was like around two thousands, that two thousand, like two 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.359 two thousand, you know what I mean. Because I didn't 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.800 hear nothing about like West Coast Riders until two thousand 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.600 and four. Yeah, that's the first time I heard, but 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.000 it was already booming, and you would be on the 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.800 forums and it'd be like all of these people from like. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:23.159 Europe or Asia or and I was like, you know, 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:24.440 how is this possible? 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.600 You feel me? And it's crazy because I was as 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.080 a kid. I had the Internet in nineteen ninety, but 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.200 I didn't know what obviously it was going to become 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.040 when I was a little kid. So I remember when 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.000 I first got on and how I figured out what 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.160 West Coast Roders was because at that time I was surfing. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.359 I would be on g Ride would kind of make 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:44.720 it a thing. We would all go on Black Wall 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.560 Street dot com. That's all I knew. So if it 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.800 wasn't my space, no, not MySpace set, that might've been 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:52.760 my Space that she. 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.920 Was natimily about the crooked like she was g Right 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.240 Now that's funny, Yeah. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.680 G I wasn't fucking with def Ro, was it. Yeah, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.600 h that makes sense because g Right had always been 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.080 tapped there. So fast forward, I'm on the Black Wall 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.320 Street and like you would interact with all these people 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:11.160 from Europe, all these people from Asia, all these people 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.439 from Australia, like all over the world and I was like, damn, 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:20.479 this is crazy. And somebody posted a link to a 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.160 story written on West Coast Riders on Black Wall Street. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.880 That's how I found it, and I was like, oh, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.800 this is dope, Like it's a bunch of And then 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.000 I noticed like all of you guys were like. I 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:34.679 was like, oh, they like, oh these people from here, 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.879 So I'm like they programming the world. So but fuck that. Like, 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:40.720 what I don't want to do is make this. 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.879 About me and you, right, because we should do that 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.200 on something we do for our shit. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:55.640 I think people don't know how deep your information goes 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.320 to West Coast hip hop for real. So I got 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.520 a couple theories, okay, and I want you to tell 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.480 me how you feel about him, because you're one of 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.280 the few people to me that can keep up with 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.000 all of my homework and all of my research. Everybody 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:10.719 came like I have all the time, Like a lot 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:12.520 of time I had to call short I got to 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.600 call niggas that was there, like Iced Tea, and he'll 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.080 be like, oh, I never tripped off that, And I'll 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.000 be telling ice T some shit to make him remember it. 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.479 So you would be up on it because you it's 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.359 your livelihood, and it's your passion, and it's what you know. 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.240 You are close enough to remember some of these things. 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.320 So is it fair to say, right, if hip hop 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.399 is a party, it's a hip hop right, the hop 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.400 is a party that calls the hop. 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.080 So in the seventies, people don't realize that's where hip 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.760 hop came from. He was talking about his party and 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.480 the projects, and he called it a hip hop number 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.720 hip being cool. It was the hop. That's where it 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.360 came from. So a lot of times when I say 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.160 hip hop is a party, most people don't know that. 0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:01.639 But that's why he called his party the hip hop. Okay, 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.600 right boom so all the music and all the breaks 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:06.240 that you know how they danced at the time to 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.400 breaks break boys, b boys right or bronx stale boys, 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.320 whatever you want to say, fast forward. So a lot 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:14.960 of times when I say hip hop comes from two 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:19.840 crews mainly in La World Class Wrecking Crew and Uncle 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:23.920 Jam's Army, because they had the two biggest and best 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:27.320 party crewise, or at least the most important party crews 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.159 in urban America. Is that fair is fair? So I 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.800 had a really dope conversation with Alonzo about how him 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:40.159 and Roger were working at Alpine Village together and Roger 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:46.359 snatched Alpine Village. Roger Clayton forgive me for anybody listening, 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.160 you really should notice if you're a fan of West 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.000 Coast hip hop, but Roger Clayton is probably the most 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.960 instrumental member you know in Jangle Jam's Army. Uncle Jam's 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.879