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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number nine

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Speaker 1: Tanna show. We're diving into the mind of big buck

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Speaker 1: killer Ben Rising with a goal discovering exactly how he's

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Speaker 1: killing the deer he is on such a consistent basis.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Sick of Gear, and today you'll be

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Speaker 1: glad here. Dan and I are joined by a trivia

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Speaker 1: guest and someone who likely knows a heck of a

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Speaker 1: lot more about killing big mature white tails than the

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Speaker 1: two of us do. This guest is Ben Rising, and

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Speaker 1: Ben is a super serious deer hunter, an outfitter, and

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Speaker 1: has been seen on a number of Dury Outdoors TV

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Speaker 1: shows in DVDs over the years. Even more impressive, I

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Speaker 1: think Ben has killed I believe it is eight different

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Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett caliber bucks, and who knows how many

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Speaker 1: other dandy mature white tails. So with all that said,

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Speaker 1: Dan and I are going to step back and absorb

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Speaker 1: as much as we can from Ben today We're going

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Speaker 1: to do our very best to dig as deep as

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Speaker 1: possible has been to understand exactly how he's having this

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Speaker 1: kind of success, and ultimately our hope is that some

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Speaker 1: of his mojo might rub off on us too. So

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Speaker 1: before we get been on the line though, me and

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Speaker 1: Dan have a little bit of catching up to do. Dan,

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Speaker 1: how you doing, I'm doing okay, well kinda did you

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Speaker 1: get my text message pictures? Oh my gosh. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: So my son has a rash right now that looks

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Speaker 1: like chemical burns. And his face was like the night

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Speaker 1: we the first trip to the e r We've he's

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Speaker 1: been there three times now, is it looked like Rocky

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Speaker 1: boub Bow. I mean when I was swollen shut The

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Speaker 1: other one was almost one shot. He had this this

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Speaker 1: swelling on his lip that looked like a marble and

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Speaker 1: it was hanging off his lip. It was nasty. And

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Speaker 1: they're saying it's a virus that they can't do anything about.

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Speaker 1: It just has to run its course. Oh that is awful.

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Speaker 1: I just I felt so bad just looking at him,

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Speaker 1: just covered with that rash and he just looks so sad.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's gotta be really, really tougher. For you guys.

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Speaker 1: I can't. I hope that. Yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 1: he's on his on the way out of it, though.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the worst is over. He still

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Speaker 1: has a rash on his face and um back or

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Speaker 1: cleared up now, so hopefully he's on the He's on

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Speaker 1: the up and up. I'll tell you what, You've got

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Speaker 1: a way of making all my issues always look really,

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Speaker 1: really trivial. I was gonna come on here today and

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Speaker 1: complain about how I'm so stressed this past week and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, and now here it is. Dan says, well,

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Speaker 1: my kid's been in the hospital three times, and I

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Speaker 1: just can't stack up with that. I guess I can't

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Speaker 1: complain that my trail camera batteries died exactly. You're stealing

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Speaker 1: my thunder. Oh man, that's bad, though. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: nothing compared to that. I all this new in me

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Speaker 1: have you ever done that? Damn, I don't think you have,

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Speaker 1: have you. I've never given a speech to people based

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Speaker 1: What was it for? Yeah, it was for a Quality

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Speaker 1: this is something I figured, you know, at some point

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Speaker 1: And this came up, and it was I figured be

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Speaker 1: Um So, I you know, volunteered my services and thought, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm like stressing about these like different business opportunities or

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Speaker 1: Welcome the show. Ben, Hi, guys, thanks for having me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: episode was all about this very topic of the killer

427
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 1: instinct and how you handle the moment of truth. Um,

428
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: And so I'm curious and one of the things we're

429
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: talking about is are some people just born with it

430
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: or is it something you acquire with experience after killing

431
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: so many deer or having encounters so many mature bucks

432
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,959
Speaker 1: or anything like that. You know, have you always had

433
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: that killer instinct, that that ice in your veins or

434
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: is this something that has grown over time? Yeah? Well,

435
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: you know, I obviously think the more you're around the

436
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: type of animals you're trying to hunt, the more comfortable

437
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 1: you get you learn things. But I also credit a

438
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: lot to be in at such a young age, you know, um,

439
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: being a trapper and my dad hunting, and you know,

440
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: you had to harvest animals and dispatch them. So the

441
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: I guess you'd so to speak, taking an animal's life

442
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: was instilled into me. At a very young age, you know. Um,

443
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: and I think and just you know, I mean, I

444
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: I just but I also think that you're born with it.

445
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: You know. I was catching red fox and kyotes at

446
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: the age of thirteen years old, you know. And I

447
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you know much about trapping, but red

448
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: fox are very smart. They're very kegy to scent. You know,

449
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 1: they'll flip your traps, they'll turn around, and they'll take

450
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: a dump on your traps if they smell human scent.

451
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: So my dad taught me so much at that young

452
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: age about things like that that you know, I mean,

453
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: I literally was hated by adult men in our community

454
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: that were trappers that couldn't catch fox and I was

455
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: catching you know, twenty a year. And so I do

456
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: think that it's just a natural you know. Everybody has

457
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: a gift, you know, and I honestly believe that this

458
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: lifestyle is my God given talent, you know. Yeah, but

459
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: I do think that people can overcome nerves and the

460
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: ability to you know, settle in and get used to

461
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, putting their selves in those positions and having

462
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: an animal that caliber in front of them and keeping

463
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: their cool. Yeah. Um, but I'll tell you a funny

464
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: little saying that my buddy Mark Jury always said. And

465
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: this is funny. After I went out there one time

466
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: and I was filming with him turkey hunting, and we

467
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: had a guy in camp that he was filming and

468
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: this guy had missed about three turkeys that day already

469
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: and after two already in the morning, and then after

470
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: the third one, Mark Durry got up and he booted

471
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: the declar and he'd come over to me and he says, look,

472
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: then he goes, this is how it is. He goes,

473
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: some people are killers, or he goes, some people are hunters,

474
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: some people like to hunt, and then there's killers. And

475
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: he goes, this guy he just likes to hunt. He

476
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: got so and he walked right to the drug. He

477
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: takes the personal you know. I mean, I mean, obviously

478
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't mad at the guy. It was this. He

479
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: was mad at the situation, you know, because he's just

480
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: not used to that, you know, he's not used to

481
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: having failed attempts. And you know, but I think that's

482
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: the truth. There's some people that are out there just

483
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: because they want to be out there. They're enjoying, you know,

484
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: and then there's that type of people like don Kisky,

485
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: Jay Gregory, myself, you know watt l. I mean, you

486
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: can drop those guys anywhere in any situation and they're

487
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: going to drop the hammer and it's gonna count. You know,

488
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: everybody makes a bad shot. But you know a lot

489
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: of these so called what I call them computer and

490
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: Facebook hunters, they judge all of us because they think that, well,

491
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: if I had the areas to hunt the pease guys

492
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: do or hunt those farms that they have, we could

493
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: kill these same deer. But you know that's not really

494
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: the truth. I mean, there is a big separation, and

495
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, they all had to start somewhere and work

496
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 1: their way to the point that they're at now. And

497
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: part of the reason they're at where they're at now

498
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: is because they can pull it off, you know, and

499
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: crunch time they make it happen. So that brings up

500
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: interesting Let's elaborate on that for a moment um and

501
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: talk about the places that you are hunting. Um, were

502
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: all of these booners killed in Ohio and were they

503
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: on uh public or private ground? You know? Is that

504
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: ground um basically maintenanced for killing big deer. Yeah? Well, so,

505
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: like um my very first one, you know, was just

506
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: a piece of land I got permission to hunt on,

507
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: and the farmers family hunted there too, um you know,

508
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a very big track to land, so

509
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: that deer was being hunted. Um. Most of these deer

510
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: that I've killed have either been on say I might

511
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: acquire a lease, um, but you know, none of the

512
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: leases are big enough that you can control the deer

513
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: and you can control the neighbors. You know, everybody hunts

514
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: around me. Um, and you know, I literally have to.

515
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: You know, I hate it when people even find out

516
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: where I'm hunting, because if they find out that I

517
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: have leased a farmer, I got permission to hunt farm,

518
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: they think there's twenty five Boon and Crockett deer living

519
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: on it, you know, and so instantly you get pressure

520
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: around you, even harder than what you had originally. But

521
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: I've walked into many farms over the years, and of

522
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: the biggest deer on the farm the first year I

523
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: had had access to it, um, you know. And it's

524
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: and I'm talking even pressure deer, you know. I mean

525
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: the one day I killed um, he lived on public land.

526
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I didn't kill him right on public land, but it

527
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: was really close you know, I mean within fifty yards.

528
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: So you know, it's just you know, and honestly, a

529
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: lot of those guys are the same way. I mean,

530
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: I've watched Michael Waddell, I've been with Mark Jury. You know,

531
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: you can drop those guys anywhere and they're gonna they're

532
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: gonna make it happen because that's just you know, it's

533
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: in their blood. I mean, it's just what they were

534
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: born to do. And they know how to do it.

535
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: They know how to read deer and sign and land,

536
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: and you know, there's so many factors to it that

537
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, Um, people overlook, you know, and I think

538
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: in today's world, because there is so much TV and

539
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: so much hype about killing deer, and they you know,

540
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 1: and they see a lot of the shows, you know,

541
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: where everybody's killing these big deer. Um, I don't think

542
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: they realize the work that's gone into that thirty minute

543
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: TV show to watch that happen. You know, even though

544
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: they may be hunting, you know, like you know, there's

545
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: no doubt and this is nothing against people like Lee

546
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: and Tiffany and you know, Mark and Terry and guys

547
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: like that that have large tracts of land. You know.

548
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: I mean, they've worked their butts off to get to

549
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: that point and have those but those deer are still

550
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: a big deer and they still act like big deer.

551
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: You know. They may be a little less pressure, so

552
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: they're more apt to move when things are good, but um,

553
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: they're still not stupid, you know. And uh, you know,

554
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: it's just a big misconception I think. But you know,

555
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: people today, I don't think they I think they think

556
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: they're just gonna go out there, some corn on the

557
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: ground is gonna walk in and they're gonna shoot it.

558
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: And they just don't happen that way. So, having having

559
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: known a lot of these different guys you've mentioned, and

560
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: yourself having had a lot of success if you had did,

561
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: if you had to kind of sum it down to

562
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: a couple of core concepts, is there anything that all

563
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: of these really successful hunters that you know have in

564
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: common or that they do differently than your average you know,

565
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: dump a pile of corn and hope for a big

566
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: buck to show up. Is there something consistent between all

567
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: these guys that they do differently? Intrusion? You know, pressure

568
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: is the number one factor in killing a large deer

569
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: once he knows he's being hunted. Um, it's a totally

570
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: different game, you know. You I'd say of the booners

571
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: on my wall and big deer, I'm talking you know,

572
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: forty plus type deer. I've killed them within two or

573
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: three times of sitting on them, and you know a

574
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: couple of them the first time. So I think that

575
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: you really diminish your chances as you start to hunt

576
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: those deer. You know, they start figuring you out. And

577
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: deer have zones, you know. And I can get into

578
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: more in that in a little bit if you want.

579
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: But intrusion factor is key, you know, exiting and entering

580
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: your stand setups is a major factor. And in staying

581
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: undetected and hunting the right winds obviously, um, you know,

582
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: putting yourself in those positions where those deer traveling you know. Um,

583
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: And I think every deer has a weakness and you

584
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: have to pinpoint you have to locate that weakness somehow,

585
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: either by visual observation, by running trail cameras in certain areas,

586
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, in doing it right, and um, just knowing

587
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: what the pressure of the people hunting the same farm

588
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: you're hunting is doing to the deer. Yeah. So so

589
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about that weaknesses that weakness aspect. You mentioned

590
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: a couple of high level ways you might bill go

591
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: about doing that. Does that start now? Do you start

592
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: trying to identify weaknesses and the deer or learning about

593
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: a deer during the spring or is this something that happens,

594
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, during the season. Well, I mean if you've

595
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: had a prior relationship with a buck from the fall

596
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: before and you didn't harvest it, well, yeah, you could

597
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: maybe learn some things right now from it. Um by

598
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: trying to find you know, obviously where he shed his

599
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: wher where he was feeding late season or after season. Um,

600
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: maybe dig a little farther into his core and find

601
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: out exactly where he's betting if you can, you know

602
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: a lot of seeing. I think that's where a lot

603
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: of people struggle. They can't identify those things, um, you know,

604
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: and it's it's woodsmanship, you know, that's that's a lot

605
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: of people apart from the average hunter, you know, and

606
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: it's just something that again you know, either you can

607
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: recognize it or you you don't, you know, and it's

608
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: it's just hard to say, it's hard to explain that

609
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: to people, you know. And uh, but digging in this

610
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: time of year, can't help you. But I usually find

611
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: that weakness once I locate the deer I want to hunt,

612
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a new deer, a new farm,

613
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: or you know, you know, you just you can either

614
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: run it. You can either figure that out by trail

615
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: cameras or where the food sources are, or you know,

616
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: a glitch in the land that may stick out and say,

617
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: you know that is the weakness that he has to

618
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: walk through that spot to get there, you know. Um,

619
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how I killed the big bucket

620
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: killed this year. That just showed on bone collector. UM.

621
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, there was a little pinch between a creek

622
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: in the corner of a field. He wasn't gonna want

623
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: to expose himself. Yeah, the night before I watched him

624
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: farther down the creek with a dough but I knew

625
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: at some point he was going to walk that trail

626
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: in that natural pinch, and he did the next morning,

627
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: and I shot him second time in um d for

628
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: in the morning on October. You know. So it's just

629
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, just being able to identify those those things

630
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: about the farms you're hunting, you know. So so how

631
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: about you know, let's let's say hypothetical situation. If if

632
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: I could pick you up and drop you off a

633
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: new farm maybe you know, spring or summertime, you can

634
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: you can choose? Can you can you walk me through

635
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: how you would go about starting to hunt there, learning

636
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: about that property? You know? How would you go about

637
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: dissecting learning a property, putting together strategy? If I if

638
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: I just dropped you on a random hundred acres maybe

639
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: and said, Ben, go kill the biggest buck here, what

640
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: would you do? M Well, the first thing I'm gonna

641
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: do is identify any type of food source you know

642
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: that the deer could be using, because the deer can't

643
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: live if you can't eat, and he's not going to

644
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: be there if there's nothing to eat. Um. You know,

645
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: now he may live on the farm because you have

646
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot of cover, and he'll walk to the food.

647
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: But you have to know where the food is. And

648
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: then you find the cover, you find where the deer

649
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: is going to bed um, and then it's pretty much

650
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: you piece it together from there. I mean, those two

651
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: things are the main factor in killing a big deer.

652
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean food in security. Obviously, the does come into

653
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: play at a point in time but a lot of

654
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: my bucks I have killed them before they really start

655
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: ramping in the road, or I kill them late season.

656
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: You know, the rut is my least favorite time to

657
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: hunt a big deer. I mean, it's fun and it's

658
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: action packed, but the deer is so unpredictable at that

659
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: point that you know, they're very hard to pinpoints. So

660
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: if I do want to hunt hunt rut and try

661
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: to kill a very large buck, I like to hunt

662
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: post rut because that's when the last ones are really

663
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: looking the last real giants are looking for hot dogs,

664
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, and they're a little more predictable at that point.

665
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean like getting dropped off. You know,

666
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: I want to identify the food sources. I want to

667
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: know if there's any stands on the property lines where

668
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: the hunters are, you know, pressuring my property lines, or

669
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: if there's hunters on the same farm, where are they

670
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: hunting at, what are they doing, how they're getting in

671
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: there to those spots, And you know, then I think

672
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: of it from a deer standpoint, you know, what is

673
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: that dear encountering during hunting season? You know, I just

674
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: try to put myself in that position and think, all right,

675
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: if I'm a buck and I'm beating here and I

676
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: know this is the thickest area on the farm, or

677
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: this is a dough betting area, this is a buck

678
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: betting area where I can you know, bet on this

679
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: point and look down this ravine, watch my backside get

680
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: to win. Hit me in the face. Then I hear

681
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: Joe Hunter pulling on his quad, or I hear him

682
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: shot the gate or banging around, climbing a tree. You know,

683
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: those are all the things that go through my mind,

684
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: and I don't even think about it, you know myself,

685
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm not even thinking that I'm thinking it. I'm just

686
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: thinking it, you know, to where some people I think,

687
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, need they need to make a list of

688
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: these things and and pick their farms apart, you know,

689
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: right right it becomes intuition, probably after you've done it

690
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: so many times, right yeah, And I mean, you know,

691
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: you you have to find those terrain features that you know,

692
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: in good flat ground, you know, it's a little tougher,

693
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, because you don't have a lot of funnels,

694
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of you know, natural forces

695
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: to move a deer you know through a certain part

696
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: of the hillside, or you know. So you you know,

697
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: you find little corners or tree lines that connect the

698
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: block of woods to another block of woods, or crp

699
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: grass too, you know. Um there's always something that you

700
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: can find that depicts how the deer want to move. Yeah. So,

701
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: so I want to rewind a little bit. I want

702
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: to take you back to the summer. Let's say it's

703
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: the summer before you're gonna actually start hunting there. Do

704
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: you do a lot of actual glassing and scouting by

705
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: from the road or from the property at all during

706
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: the summer to try to figure out, you know, what

707
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: deer there or anything like that, or is that something

708
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: you wait till the season happens. No, I do. I

709
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: mean I do a lot of that if I can,

710
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, if the farm permits it, for sure. You know,

711
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I want to spend a little time doing that. Um,

712
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: I don't spend as much time as I used to

713
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: doing that. You know, I used to really spend tons

714
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: of time watching you know, fields and things like that.

715
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: But in today's world, if somebody sees me part somewhere,

716
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, glass in the field or you know, it

717
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: just really makes my life harder, you know. Um, So

718
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: it's hunting has become I don't know how you say it,

719
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: but it's not It doesn't seem like it's so much

720
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: just an enjoyable sport, camaraderie wise with your buddies anymore.

721
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's become this like, I don't know, this jealousy.

722
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything in my life that has the

723
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: jealousy that killing a big deer does. And it's sad,

724
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, um, but it disappears that you know, somebody

725
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: sees you somewhere, then they think and they know, and

726
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: then things start happening and you know, but that's another story.

727
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean definitely you can watch dear and

728
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: you have the grounds you can do it on and

729
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: do it safely from a distance where you're not intruding

730
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: on those deer. It's a great way to find a

731
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: weakness in a buck because you'll notice a lot of

732
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: times deer will enter fields and food sources on different

733
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: winds and the different spots, and those are key things

734
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: to notice for an early season hunt. So so that

735
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: behavior that you're seeing in the summer is that applicable

736
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: actually during the hunting You just mentioned early season hunting,

737
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: So is that is that kind of data that you

738
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: store that you just apply to the first couple of

739
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: hunts of the year, or is that somehow useful later,

740
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, in later in October and November December. Yeah, no,

741
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: I think you can use it a lot. I mean,

742
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: as long as you know, if they're using that food

743
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: tours or those trails you know, are leaving that betting area,

744
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's certain ways that those are going to

745
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: do it, you know. And you know Don Higgins, I don't.

746
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard of him. He wrote a book,

747
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: you know. And one thing that I noticed that he

748
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: wrote in his book years ago I read and you know,

749
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: and I agree with it totally. I just never stated

750
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: it like he did. He wrote a thing about you know,

751
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: and I think he stated that the best for people

752
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: to understand a lot of times to hunt these big gear,

753
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: you have to hunt a win that is almost wrong

754
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: for you, and the deer almost it thinks it's right,

755
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like it's right on

756
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: that fine line of being wrong, but yet it's just

757
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: good enough. Yeah, and um, but not always. I mean,

758
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't always work that way. But I

759
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: have noticed that, you know, deer will move better. You know,

760
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: on a wind that they definitely feel is in their favor,

761
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, for sure of go heading to the area

762
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: they want to be. Yeah, do do you do? You

763
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: typically see that you're finding most of his mature bucks

764
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: moving with the wind in their face or quartering. Um.

765
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I've talked to We've talked

766
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: to so many different people about this, and it seems

767
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: like everyone has everyone kind of agrees that, yes, a

768
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: mature buck likes to use the wind, but there's lots

769
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: of varying answers as to how they use it. Have

770
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: you seen one or the other be the most common

771
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: from your experience? Well, so, like in his natural setting

772
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: early season, you know, they're definitely going to use the wind,

773
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: you know, to their best advantage, you know, checking that

774
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: food source before they come in. But you know, I've

775
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: read articles where these guys talk about these deer used

776
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: the inner buck trails and you know, circle a food

777
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: source before they enter, and I think that's a bunch

778
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: of hogwash. I mean, I've never once seen a deer

779
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: do that unless he was so pressured and scared to

780
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: death at that is the only time. But that then

781
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: if that's the point he ain't even gonna hit that

782
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: food source still dark, you know what I mean. So

783
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: I think people give them too much credit sometimes, you know,

784
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: if a deer is not on edge and he's you know, now,

785
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that, I don't think you have

786
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: to slide into the timber a little bit and catch

787
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: him in a staging area before he hits the food.

788
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: But you know, and when they're in those there is

789
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: there a lot less The closer they get to the

790
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: food or the opening, the more nervous they're going to get,

791
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: and the more alert they're gonna get, you know. But

792
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: if you go too far into the woods too much,

793
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: you're going to bump them out, and you're very limit

794
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 1: on how many times you can hunt a staging area. Yes, So,

795
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: so elaborate a little bit on that for your early

796
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: season hunts. So you've identified, right, there's a buck here

797
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: with your scouting, you know he's coming in and out

798
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: of a food source. Do you typically is that how

799
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: you typically like to approach that early season couple hunts?

800
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: Is that finding that staging area or do you use

801
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: any other information to figure out what you're gonna do? Yeah? Well,

802
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: I mean if it's if I've got a big buck peg,

803
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: then I think I can kill early. You know, that's

804
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: exactly how I try to kill him. I try to

805
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: figure you know, I I definitely figure out where he's vetted, um,

806
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: and I figure out where he's going. And then you

807
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: can only hunt those trails, you know, on the right

808
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: type of winds where you're not going to bust all

809
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: the other dear also, you know, and give your location up,

810
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: and you gotta hunt them on the right days. And

811
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, you don't go in there when it's degrees

812
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: on opening day, no matter how bad you want to,

813
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: even if it's the right wind, you know what I mean. Um,

814
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: little factors like that is what depicts your success rate

815
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: of a mature gear moving in daylight hours to get somewhere. Yeah,

816
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: we we we'd like to I personally geek out about that.

817
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: You just mentioned that the little factors that get a

818
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: mature buck on his feet and all the different things,

819
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: whether be weather related or precipitation or anything like that.

820
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: Are there any specific things that you really pay attention

821
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: to that when you see happen, you know that you

822
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: have to be in the woods, you know, a cold

823
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: front or anything like that. Are there some things you

824
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: really key in on. Yeah, well, I like high pressure,

825
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, I truly believe you know, I've killed a

826
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: lot of deer on the cold front, but I see

827
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: way more dear activity high pressure after up front, you know,

828
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: the deer just really ramp up. And one thing I've

829
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: noticed too is stagnant. Any kind of consistent weather pattern

830
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: sucks for deer, whether it is cold or whether it's heat,

831
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: you know, or constant rain or you know, constant dry.

832
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: Any switch up in any of that stagnant weather pattern

833
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: makes deer move. In my mind, Um, you know, obviously

834
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: the colder it is in a longer period, the more

835
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: they got to go to food. So that is a weakness,

836
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: you know. But you know, the morning times hunting, you know,

837
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: when it's like that is very fruitless in my mind.

838
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, we in my outfitting business and you know,

839
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: muzzleloader season and late bow hunts, we won't even hunt

840
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: mornings unless we have a deer peg that we know

841
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: exactly how he's doing, what he's doing, and he may

842
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: be a morning type deer, you know, and we can

843
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: get in and catch him coming back to bed. But

844
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: most of the times they're already back you know, and

845
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: laying you mentioned you mentioned trying to find that pattern

846
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: between the betting area and the food source. So how

847
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: are you how are you finding that that betting area? Well,

848
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: I guess what are you looking for? And are you

849
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: using trail cameras to abuse help you scout? Yeah? Well

850
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't really use trail cameras in the woods very often, um,

851
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that's for a lot of

852
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: people make a big mistake. You know. They get a

853
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: they get a farm, and they go blowing in the

854
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: woods and they find all these awesome trails, and you know,

855
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: they want to check out this creek crossing or they

856
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: want to you know, put a camera face in this

857
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: trail yards in the woods, you know. Um. I'm an

858
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: edge guy, you know, And that's why my web show

859
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: is called White Jailed Edge, because I like to stay,

860
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, on the fringes and wait for the deer

861
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: to come to me as much as I can. You know,

862
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: I will slip in the timber at the right times,

863
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, like those staging areas and things like that.

864
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: But all my cameras, you know, are pretty much on

865
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: the edge. And I use that information because, like I said,

866
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: deer have zones. I feel, and I think once you

867
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: cross you know, they're used to human activity in this

868
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: pretty much in the whole unit. It states being in field, farmers,

869
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, anything like that in open area, you know, roads, trails,

870
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, they're used to encountering some sort of human

871
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: scent in those spots. Well, you know, you start leaving

872
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: those spots. You know, like a lot of my trail cameras,

873
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: I'll check on some of these farms or places I

874
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: have permission I'll check. I'll drive my truck right to them,

875
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: you know, and I'll try to have areas where I

876
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: can drive my truck right around these farms to get

877
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: to these spots to check them. You know, even scrapes.

878
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll drive right up to a big old

879
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: hog scrape on the edge of the field, if you know,

880
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: if I can, if I'm permitted to do it, and

881
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 1: I'm not tearing up the farmer's field, and it works out,

882
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, um, I'll drive my truck right up to

883
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: it cop out and jump right back in it. Because

884
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: they're used to that doesn't bother them, It really doesn't.

885
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: You know. It's the sneaking in there and walking around

886
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: and you know, it's what a lurch those deer that

887
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: something's not right, you know. Um, So I try to

888
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: run my cameras on scrapes, on the edge of the

889
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: food sources, you know, anywhere where I can check them

890
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: that that zone isn't being crossed at. These deers so

891
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: alerted that, and they get used to you being in

892
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: those spots. When you check those cameras every two weeks

893
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: or you know, a week or however your des depends

894
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: on how aggressive you're trying to hunt at the time,

895
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: they somewhat I think they get a comfort level with it.

896
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: But if you start blowing into the timber and you

897
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: cross that zone, it's over. I mean I'm not gonna

898
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: say it's completely over, it's just there on guard and

899
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: they know then that this isn't right, you know. And

900
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: if they keep smelling that you're doing that, then eventually

901
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: they'll either I think they'll either leave or they'll just relocate,

902
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: or they're just gonna go nocturnal on you. Yeah. Is

903
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: there a typical frequency for checking those cameras that you

904
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: like to stick to. I know you mentioned that you

905
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: know everyone's got their own level of aggression. What's your level?

906
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: Do you like to stick to. Well, like, what if

907
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: you're hunting the food source, it's act of you know,

908
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: in the deer really hitting it, and you're trying to

909
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: catch a pre rut buck, you know, maybe coming to

910
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: that food source to check those doughs. You know, how

911
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: I first figure that out is if he's going to

912
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: hit that food source in daylight the scrapes, you know,

913
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: if they start hitting those scrapes, then big dominant bucks.

914
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: You'll notice too that a lot of times you're smaller

915
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: bucks or if there's other mature bucks in the area,

916
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: a lot of those other mature bucks we'll start disappearing

917
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: off your cameras and it gets down to one really

918
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: big deer, you know, and then you you start figuring

919
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: out which buck is the dominant buck in that area,

920
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: because you know they'll all hit those primary scrapes and spots.

921
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: But you know, each dominant buck, in my mind, has

922
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: this core area, and he starts controlling that areas it

923
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: gets closer to the pre rut and he starts brooting

924
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: out those other bucks out of that area. And you'll

925
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: start noticing on your camera some of the mother bucks

926
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: aren't gonna show up there very often because they know,

927
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: they're going to get their butt kick or they're gonna

928
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: have a confrontation, you know. Um. And so when you

929
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: start catching that buck cruising his area and hitting and

930
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: scrapes closer to daylight, you know, or closer you know,

931
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: gett into the food source before it gets dark, that's

932
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: a prime time. And you know, when it's starting to

933
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: get to that pre rut, sometimes you've got to check

934
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: those cameras and those edges where you can get in

935
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: and out, you know, undetected. You can check them every

936
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: three or four days if you need to, But you

937
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: gotta make sure the wind is right and you're not

938
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: blowing your wind down into the timber and blowing the

939
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: deer out of their bedding areas. Yeah, yeah, see, And

940
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: that's another thing. People don't. They throw caution to the wind,

941
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, when it's just checking cameras. They don't think

942
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: about it, right right, Yeah, I mean they if they're

943
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: down in the woods yards better than a thicket off

944
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: that field, you know, and they smell you up there

945
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: every three or four days. They don't like that, you know.

946
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: So I try to do it when the wind is

947
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: right or if it's nasty weather, you know, windy, rainy.

948
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: You know, I'll move sets in the same kind of

949
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: conditions if I need to move on a deer. And

950
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: I also, like I don't shower, and it starts for

951
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: me in July normally, you know, I started going to

952
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: scentless soap. You know, everything's washed sentless for me all

953
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: the time. Um, just my regular work clothes, street clothes, everything.

954
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: I don't wear clothes and nothing. And that's just how

955
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: I live my life, you know, up until you know

956
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: about this time of year. To give my wife at

957
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: least a couple of months of smelly good you know, nice, Nice,

958
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate a little more on what your your

959
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: full scent control kind of regiment is in addition to

960
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: that everything you do. Yeah, I mean, like I said,

961
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: I think just being clean, you know, just being clean.

962
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't need a lot of stinky foods, you know

963
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: when it comes time. You know, I don't need a

964
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: lot of onion, let's say, away from stuff like that,

965
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: you know, but just keeping your clothes clean. And you know,

966
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: I don't really feel that you always have to have

967
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of good clothing linds out there,

968
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, And um, I've used them all in the past,

969
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean obviously for our white Tail

970
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: led show, you know, we've getting sponsored. You know, we

971
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: have different people that are you know, but I think

972
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: there's so many good products out there, But I think

973
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: the number one factor is keeping your clothes clean. You know,

974
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: you're not pumping gash, you're not wearing the same boots

975
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: jumping into dairy Queen and that you're gonna walk into

976
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: the stand with you know. Um, I just feel that

977
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's imperative, is just trying to be

978
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: as clean as you can and keep all your equipment clean. Definitely,

979
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that's that's easier said than done, though,

980
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: right sometimes it's easy to at least I occasionally find

981
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: myself tempted to try to cut some corners when it

982
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: comes to that type of thing, because you know, especially

983
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: later in the season, you've been being obsessive about send

984
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: control for months and months now. But but like you said,

985
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: it's just so important you have to pay attention to

986
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: those details, right, Yeah, I think so, And I mean,

987
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: but I will tell you this. You know, the right

988
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: the wind is the right wind, I mean, you know,

989
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: and that's why you hear the stories of people killing

990
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: deer smoking cigarettes, and you know, a guy gets off

991
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: work at the factory, walks out and pounds of one nineties,

992
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, with a shotgun or whatever. I mean, it

993
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: happens all the time, you know. Um, But I do

994
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: believe that, you know, if you throw, if you hunt

995
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: the wind right, you can get away with more if

996
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: you have your stands set up in those situations where

997
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: a lot of other deer aren't going to nail you,

998
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: and you know, you could hunt however you wanted, as

999
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: long as the wind right, you know, and an ate

1000
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: swirling and the thermals are good and you're not hunting.

1001
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many factory you could talk for

1002
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: three days about this. I mean, you really could. I

1003
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: Mean I even amazed myself sometimes that the things that

1004
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: come up into my mind when I'm being asked, and

1005
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: I always forget that I'm even thinking about you know. Yeah, yeah,

1006
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: that's the truth. I guess that's part of the fun

1007
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: of it, right, is there's there's so many different aspects

1008
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 1: of this to to obsess over and think about. Um.

1009
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: It definitely keeps me and Dan up late at night

1010
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: thinking about these things all year so glad, no one,

1011
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: We're not the only ones I gotta. I got a

1012
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: question about when it's time to make your move. Are

1013
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: are you identifying a buck? You you know that he's

1014
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: in an area, and you know he's working a particular

1015
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: field edge or or coming through a certain trail. Are

1016
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 1: you setting up an observation stand first, or are you

1017
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: going right in because you have a gut feeling or

1018
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: you have hard evidence that this buck is gonna be

1019
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: coming through this particular area. Yeah, well I'm big on

1020
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, if I can use observation stands,

1021
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, in a distance like before season, or like

1022
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: you say, for instance, that I go to a farm

1023
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: like my lease in Illinois that I just picked up

1024
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: last year. You know. Um, and this is a funny

1025
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: story because like the guy was trying to lease this

1026
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: farm out and nobody wanted it because it was too thick.

1027
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: If I never heard of such a thing in my

1028
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: own line, you know. Um, So when the guy told

1029
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: me that I was on the road, you know, I

1030
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: looked at the ariel and then I went out there

1031
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: and I leased it, you know, because um, I like thick,

1032
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know that that's what big deer like,

1033
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, they like to be alone and they like sick,

1034
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: and you know, pretty timber doesn't hold bucks, you know,

1035
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: they don't have deer, but it doesn't hold big deer,

1036
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: you know. Um, And so in that aspect, the very

1037
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: first time that I went out there to hunt, you know,

1038
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: in the fall, I'd ran cameras and had good information,

1039
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: knew what kind of bucks was on it. And it's funny,

1040
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: so there was two booners on this farm because it

1041
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: was so thick and they could they could get away

1042
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: from each other, you know, they could bed each end

1043
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: of this one picket and they didn't have to look

1044
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: at each other, and so it worked for him. And

1045
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: nobody else would really mess with it because it was

1046
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: ow things, so it was hard for them to you know,

1047
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: hunt it. And but anyways, you know, so for that instance,

1048
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: I did set up an observatory stand because I had

1049
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: never hunted the farm, so I wanted to know how

1050
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: the deer in general moved on this farm, you know,

1051
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: from one side of the farm to the other. How

1052
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: did they get there, how did they use these tree line?

1053
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: You know, And day number four I smacked at one

1054
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: seventy four, So can you can you share this a

1055
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: little bit more about what you saw that put you

1056
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: in position to shoot that buck? Seas up an observation

1057
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: stand what happened to get you there to where that

1058
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: one seventy was? Yeah, well, I mean it just I

1059
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: had a good idea from running trail cameras where he

1060
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: was at anyways, and just the lay of the land,

1061
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: and you know where there was a nice transition from

1062
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: open timber to the thick timber. Um really made it

1063
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: appealing to me. Um. But from an observation point, you know,

1064
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: from the one area where I could watch the fields

1065
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: a little bit, I did see, you know, I could tell, oh,

1066
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: where the does were coming from, and I could see

1067
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: it seemed to tell where the bucks like to be. Well,

1068
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, as pre rod gets around, you know where

1069
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna switch around and the bucks are gonna go

1070
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: to the doughs. So um, you know, I got in

1071
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: that transition that that funnel what I call a travel

1072
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: for it, or from the buck area to the dough area,

1073
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: and I set up and I waited for the right wind,

1074
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: and you know the first time with the right wind,

1075
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: we killed him. It's awesome when it works out that way.

1076
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: Isn't it. Yeah, when it does, it doesn't always, but

1077
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, but I also feel that, you know, if

1078
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: God you're meant to kill that deer, that's gonna happen

1079
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: no matter what you do wrong or whatever. But if

1080
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: God doesn't want you to kill that deer, no matter

1081
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: how hard you try, you're not gonna kill it. Because

1082
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: I've encountered that so many times. You know, the biggest

1083
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: year I ever hunted in my life, it just wasn't

1084
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 1: meant to be. I had a two fifteen minutes deer

1085
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: three times within fifty yards of me on hard hunting ground,

1086
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: and I could not get a narrow to that deer.

1087
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: It just wasn't meant to kill it. Jeez. I came out.

1088
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Imagine how frustrating that must have been. It was, but

1089
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: you know, it tore me apart, but I just had

1090
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: to accept it. And I finally gave up on that

1091
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: here the next year and realize, you know, I'd lost

1092
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: some ground where I was trying to hunt it and things,

1093
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: and you know, it got it got smashed first day

1094
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: of gun season from a guy to want a deer drive.

1095
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: You know, they've seen it from the road and they

1096
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: walk up in the woods and they got pushed to

1097
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: him and he killed it. So that's just how you know,

1098
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it just was not meant for me to

1099
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: kill that deer. I mean because I did everything I

1100
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: could do to get myself on that deer, and I

1101
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: did three different times in daylight. If you learned fifteen

1102
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: inch monarch, you know, but I just I wasn't gonna

1103
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: take the bad shot. And you know it just I

1104
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: passed the deer when he was won sixties. Just one

1105
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: of those things. But you know, I still believe that,

1106
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 1: you know, you can really do a lot of things

1107
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: to put yourself in the right driver's seat to make

1108
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: it happen. How many how many times did you change

1109
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: your standand location for that for that buck that you

1110
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: ended up not shooting? Three times? Three times? So in

1111
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: three days, three different times you are are you running

1112
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: and gunning or like a running gun set up where

1113
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: you you pack in. Well, if you're talking about that

1114
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: biggest deer, you're talking about the deer I killed this

1115
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: pastor you're talking about the big deer I didn't kill.

1116
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: In general, I mean it depends like that big deer.

1117
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: I hunted that deer harder than any deer. I literally

1118
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: almost hunted that deer every day. I mean literally, you

1119
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: know that I had any any time I had the

1120
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 1: right window that year. Because he didn't live on the farm,

1121
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: I could hunt, and I knew I had to be

1122
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: there if I was going to catch the one time

1123
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: that he was going to walk through there, you know,

1124
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: And it just so happened. At three different times I

1125
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: was able to get on him, but I just couldn't

1126
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: get him close enough. And I do believe I was

1127
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: going to kill him the last night that the last

1128
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: time I had him, which is on New Year's Day,

1129
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: but a neighbor ended up um coming down to the

1130
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: woods and messing things up, and I just couldn't get

1131
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: so he shrunk down and he took off. But I

1132
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: think that was the night I was actually I thought

1133
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: I was going to get a shot. Well then it

1134
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: just wasn't meant to be and it didn't happen. So um,

1135
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: But you know there's times I'm really aggressive and I'm

1136
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: moving on deer, you know, um, especially when you're out

1137
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: of state and you only got so many days to

1138
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: make it happen. You know, you've got nothing to lose,

1139
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta move you gotta hunt the fresh sign.

1140
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure you've heard of Andre. You know,

1141
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: he still lone wolf. I mean, he is a very

1142
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: aggressive hunt, you know, he is. His style is way

1143
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: different than some people's, you know. Um, Andrea does things

1144
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: that most people like me would crawl under the couch

1145
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: and go why are you doing that? You know? But

1146
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: it works for him, you know, I mean his bumping

1147
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: dump tactic where he actually literally goes into the thickets

1148
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: and bumps those deer out, and then he sets up

1149
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: and on to the next morning early and catches him

1150
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: coming back, and it's worked for him, you know. Um.

1151
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that depends too, though, on

1152
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: what areas you're hunting and what them deer are used

1153
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: to experiencing. You know. Um, I think if you're in

1154
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: a very hard hunted area, you can't do that very often.

1155
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: You know. If you're in an area that the deer,

1156
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't been pressured so much, you can

1157
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: get away with that a little more, and those deer

1158
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: going to come back to their betting areas and not

1159
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: feel so so bad about it, you know. But you

1160
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: know there's different texts. Sometimes you just got to feel

1161
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: the deer out. You know, you just got to know

1162
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: that dear's personality and how he reacts to things. How

1163
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: how many times do you need to see a buck

1164
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: do something before you change your strategy to take advantage.

1165
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking of it a specific instance, you know

1166
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: that I had recently where you know, I hung a

1167
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: new stand, went in there and hunted, and I saw

1168
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: mature buck that I want to shoot, but he can't about,

1169
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred hundred yards away from where I

1170
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: want him to. So then that next day I was, Okay,

1171
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: I know he came out there. Do I move my

1172
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: stand to be there because that's where it was last night?

1173
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: Where do I wait one more night to determine if

1174
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: that's a pattern or if he's gonna you know, maybe

1175
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: he would have been right by my stand if I

1176
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: would stayed there. How do you make that decision? Do

1177
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: you move right away? Or do you wait and try

1178
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: to learn a little more? Well a lot of time

1179
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: it's time factor too. But the first thing I try

1180
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: to do is figure out, okay, well, what why did

1181
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: he come out down there instead of right here? You know,

1182
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: So then you look at the wind, you look at

1183
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: the different factors and you try to figure out, Okay,

1184
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: is he betting somewhere different than I saw it, or

1185
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: is he betting in that area? And the wind was

1186
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: right for him to come into the field there, and

1187
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: so he felt good about it. Um, did you see

1188
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: a lot more deer come out in that spot with

1189
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: him than where you were at? Um? You know things

1190
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, that's kind of the factors. I know,

1191
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: there's really a right answer for that. But you know,

1192
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I I will move eventually if it's not

1193
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,959
Speaker 1: paying it out, And sometimes I may just go ahead

1194
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: and put a stand there anyways, leave the one I

1195
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: already had, and put one in that position to be

1196
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: able to take advantage of that wind again, because say,

1197
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times I'll base it on

1198
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: the movement that I saw, you know what I mean,

1199
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: because you never know, it might have just been a

1200
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: smelly dough that brought him out in that corner that night,

1201
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: you know. Um. But then I also look at Okay,

1202
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: why did I have the stand where I had at

1203
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: the very first time? You know, you obviously put that

1204
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: stand there for a reason, and so then you have

1205
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: to depict what have you seen him there before? With

1206
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: a new farm and you just set up on the

1207
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: field and you saw a consistent deer movement, you know,

1208
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: in one area, Well, then I definitely moved you know. Yeah.

1209
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: I want to take a step back to something you

1210
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of touched on a little bit ago when you

1211
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: were talking about I can't wra how we got there,

1212
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: but you mentioned like during the late season, lots of

1213
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: times with your clients, specifically, you won't even have them

1214
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: hunt in the mornings. Um, because all of you be

1215
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: back to bed. Can you can you share me a

1216
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: little bit more about your thoughts on morning hunts in

1217
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: general throughout the season, because at least me and Dan

1218
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, and I tend to shy

1219
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: away from morning hunts in the early season in the

1220
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: late season, Um, what's your philosophy on morning hunts at

1221
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: different times in the year. Yeah, well that's pretty much

1222
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: my philosophy. I mean, you know, um, early season, that's

1223
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: very hard. I feel. I'm not saying you can't, but

1224
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: I just feel that you're really lessening your chances of

1225
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: a particular deer. Now, can you kill deer in the

1226
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: mornings on acorn flats and the timber? Yeah, you sure can't,

1227
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, but you've got to figure out how you're

1228
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: getting in there and how you're getting out of there,

1229
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: you know. And that's where a lot of people don't

1230
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: understand that. Yeah, I mean it may not be affecting

1231
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: the general, dear population, but what it is affecting is

1232
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: the deer that they ultimately wanted to shoot. You know. Um,

1233
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: if you're lucky enough, can you get in here and

1234
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: you killed at the first time in and you knew that, dear, well,

1235
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: that's different. But um, the more times your trapes and

1236
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: in there in the mornings or hunting field edges in

1237
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: the morning, I mean you're you're bustling those deer out

1238
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: of those fields in the mornings even going in there,

1239
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, um that time of year. So I typically

1240
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: I typically do not hunt mornings until about the twenty

1241
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: third twentieth of October. If the deer's even telling me

1242
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: that I can hunt him at that time. Yeah, so

1243
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: some late season is the same. Okay, So you got

1244
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: me thinking about something else when you mentioned October twentieth

1245
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: time frame, give or take. There's you know, there's this

1246
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: uh popular buzz worth the October lull. Do you do

1247
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: you believe in the October lull. Do you have a

1248
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: certain way that you hunt during that mid October time

1249
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: frame or do you just stay away completely? Well, I

1250
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: mean I got I hunt when I got time to hunt,

1251
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, and if the deer is telling me I

1252
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: can hunt him, I'm gonna hunt him. Um. You know,

1253
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: I do think that deer kind of take a little

1254
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: fiesta to a degree, you know, especially if it's really

1255
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: hot weather. You know, they're not going to move the greatest,

1256
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, but that's when you really have to be

1257
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: tuned in on your gear and what they're doing, you know,

1258
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: being an outfit or I gotta produce gear all the

1259
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: time for these guys, you know. And so again it

1260
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: doesn't always work. I mean it really don't. You know.

1261
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes we struggle and we're you know, get frustrated and

1262
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, so it's one of those things where you know,

1263
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: the guys tend to generally listen to me. Then they

1264
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: start figuring out that you know, we kind of do

1265
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. Instead of trying to hunt

1266
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: mornings and you know, at certain times a year, because

1267
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: the deer movement generally becomes good it maybe the last

1268
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: half hour of daylight, but they're going to see a

1269
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: lot of deer, you know, um so, but I do

1270
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: believe that there is a little bit of a lot

1271
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: over law, you know, especially if the weather is really

1272
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: hot and stagnant. You know that that can affect the

1273
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: big times. But I also think that deer move a

1274
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,479
Speaker 1: little better than some people think. You know, everybody wants

1275
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: to hunt Halloween, November. I really like, I love that

1276
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: I've killed two booners on October. Wow, Why do you

1277
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: think of that time frame? So good for you? Because

1278
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: I just I think them bucks are they're just getting

1279
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how you say it, but there they

1280
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: can just feel it. I guess I think they just

1281
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: start to feel bucky. You know, their testosterone is getting

1282
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: to that level where they know that. You know, they're

1283
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: just feeling a little more dominant. They're rubbing harder, they're

1284
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: really marking their territories, um you know. And I mean

1285
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: the big big Bucks seemed to be the last ones

1286
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: to really partake of the breeding and start the chase phase.

1287
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: And but they're also the last ones to stop, you know.

1288
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: That's why. You know, Thanksgiving Day and in November, you're

1289
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: driving home from Grandma's and you see a one n

1290
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: slob standing in the middle of a field, you know,

1291
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: by a house, you know, just walking across her like

1292
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: he loves, you know, because they're just that's what they do.

1293
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: You know, they're they don't want to stop, you know,

1294
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: it's harder to get him going, So you feel that

1295
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: they're they're the big mature bucks are don't go and

1296
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: seek out the very first dough that's hot. Well, I'm

1297
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: not gonna say that they're. I mean, if they know

1298
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: where there is one, I'm not gonna say they're not

1299
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: that they won't go after him. But I just don't

1300
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: feel that they do it in a manner of where

1301
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: all these year and a half and two and a

1302
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: half year old bucks running all over like Matt, and

1303
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: everybody thinks the ruts. Everybody's thinking the ruts on, you know,

1304
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: because you see it all the time. Where these guys are.

1305
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: You know, I saw six bucks today, Well every one

1306
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: of them was, you know, a spiker to you know,

1307
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: two a hundred inchindeer running wild, you know, and everybody's

1308
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: thinking the ruts in. Well, you know, and I mean

1309
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a smart but when I

1310
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: say that, I'm just saying, you know, my experience as

1311
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: an outfitter and hunting, and just the crowd of people

1312
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: that I talked to that are successful big deer killers.

1313
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, we all agree. I mean it's those bucks

1314
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 1: don't move. You know, it's still early, you know, those

1315
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: bigger ones. You know they'll start roman but you just

1316
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: don't seem to see him, you know. But where I

1317
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: catch them, like killing that deer last year on you know,

1318
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: I caught him in his core area though, you know,

1319
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: And I was just inside the timber in a good

1320
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: funnel between betting and dough betting, between his betting area

1321
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: and the do betting area. That's where I caught him.

1322
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: So do you think that you know, we always talk

1323
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: about when to take your vacation, and a lot of

1324
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: guys are taking it the first or the second week

1325
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: of November. And you're saying, you like the last weekend

1326
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: in the last weekend in October and the third weekend

1327
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: in November. Yeah, well, I mean I'm going by size

1328
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: of deer now too. I mean, you're not going to

1329
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: see near the amount of deer, you know, And that's

1330
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: where it's hard for guys. So if they if they

1331
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: want to be in action and have their chances. Obviously,

1332
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: you've got a better chance that's shooting a decent buck

1333
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: when the run is really kicking, you know, because you're

1334
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: just gonna see more gear and you you know, and

1335
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 1: them big slobs get shot at that time. And you

1336
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't, you know, But when I

1337
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: find hunting a lot, with this fiddy country and things,

1338
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: I encounter too many times the deer that I really

1339
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: wanted the kills tied up with that dough because them

1340
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: does seek those bucks out. People don't think that, but

1341
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: them does. In this hilly country where I live, the

1342
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: does look for the big bucks. They know where the mature,

1343
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: dominant buck is at and they go to him, and

1344
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: sometimes he never has to leave that hollow. M So

1345
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: when you are when we are into that rough phase,

1346
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, let's say somewhere in November for a lot

1347
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: of us here in the Midwest at least, how do

1348
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: you go about trying to get on that most mature

1349
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: buck in the area, Because I know, like you mentioned,

1350
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: there's other times the year that might be better to

1351
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: get a hold of him. Um, how do you best

1352
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: take advantage of that time if you have If that's

1353
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: when you're hunting. What do you do to try to

1354
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: find that mature buck that's that's hold up somewhere. Well,

1355
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't. What I try to do, honestly, is I'll

1356
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: either hunt, I hunt thick, you know, if I got

1357
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: to be in the timber, I mean, because what happens

1358
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: is a lot of times the dough is quick going

1359
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: to the opening because they quick going to food because

1360
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna get harassed by every buck in the country

1361
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: and they know it, you know. And I don't know

1362
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: if you've noticed that, but they start backing off one

1363
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: of those foods worses and making big appearances. Um So

1364
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: a lot of times. With I'll do then, is I

1365
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: have to find ways if I'm out of state or

1366
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: even here, if i'm crunch time, I'll get in deep

1367
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: and I'll hunt those six spots where I know those

1368
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: bucks bed or where I know because a lot of

1369
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: times he'll bring him back to his bed um, you know.

1370
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: Or I'll try to hunt the doe betting areas where

1371
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to catch him looking for that dough

1372
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: and cruising, you know, cruising that area for hot dough

1373
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: in his core. Gotcha. It's all about getting getting in

1374
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: there where where most other guys don't want to go right. Yeah,

1375
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying guys won't go in there.

1376
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,799
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of doing it in the right way,

1377
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: you know. An I'll hunt the down wind sides of

1378
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: those areas. I don't dig right in the middle of it.

1379
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: I hunted outside edge, you know. I hunt that transition

1380
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: zone on the down wind side. You know. Um, because

1381
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: you know, big fat bucks are lazy. You know, they'll

1382
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: get in the thick stuff and route em does out,

1383
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: but he's not going to do it till he smells

1384
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: her in there, because I mean, they can smell a

1385
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: trillion times better than a human, you know. And what

1386
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: they can smell, I mean, they can smell a hot

1387
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: dough so far away it's ridiculous, you know. And so

1388
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: them just cruising the down wind side of a thicket.

1389
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of times you'll see them in

1390
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: the hill country, they just run half hillside and they'll

1391
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: check every trail along that hillside that comes off the

1392
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: ridge or up the ridge that goes up to it.

1393
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: And they're just running hillside, checking trail to traield to

1394
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: trail until they hit the track the top and then

1395
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you'll see them shoot down or

1396
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: up whichever way they felt you went. Yeah, speaking of

1397
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: speaking of hillsides and stuff, given the fact that you

1398
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: live in hilly country and hunting love areas like that, Um,

1399
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: are there any specific types of terrain features like that

1400
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: or in addition to that that you found deer you know,

1401
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: behave consistently around or us in a certain way. Can

1402
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: you elaborate on any of those types of types of

1403
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: features you mean as far as like in the hills

1404
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: or just any you know, yeah, you mean any kind

1405
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: of it could be any Yeah, Well, I mean like

1406
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: in the hills, and I noticed a lot the bucks bed.

1407
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, you'll get a lot of bucks to bed,

1408
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, three quarters of the way up. You know,

1409
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: they bed in a manner to where they can watch

1410
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: below them and get the wind in their back, you know. Um,

1411
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: and and you know, and you'll see that even in

1412
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: a little more open timber, they'll bed notes areas that

1413
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: they got a law of the roof ball that's popped

1414
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: up to taken because they have access of escape. You know,

1415
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: they can get away, um, because they can see you

1416
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: coming from a long ways, or they can smell you

1417
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: from a long ways. Um, But you know, I noticed

1418
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: it just seems to me that, you know, I'll catch

1419
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: big bucks up on the ridge. And I like to

1420
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: hunt ridges because I can keep my wing consistent, you know. Um,

1421
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: but I'll catch a lot of those deer up on

1422
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: those spots, you know, late mornings, you know, when I

1423
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: am hunting mornings, it seems like that's when I'll catch

1424
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: those bucks in those areas. It's coming back up into

1425
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: those spots, um, you know, in the evenings. I typically

1426
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: we'll try to hunt a little lower, you know, um,

1427
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: catching them coming down to the food sources you know,

1428
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: or to a food source, and you know, looking for

1429
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: those catching them on those dough trails, you know, if

1430
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 1: they're smelling for those Okay, okay, I mean transition is

1431
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: a major factor. I mean that that's one thing that

1432
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 1: people learn to pick out transition zones. And what I

1433
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: mean by transition it could be you know, small timber

1434
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: to big timber, thick brush to medium sized timber, um,

1435
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: you know, swamp to hardwoods crp to you know, would

1436
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: any of those areas you're going to find buck tracks,

1437
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, and those are good places to try to

1438
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: scout from this especially this time of year. You know,

1439
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: like backtrack and just see what you're doing. It's it's

1440
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: all about that edge, right, just like you, Just like

1441
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: you mentioned with with your upcoming show. Um, so with

1442
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: I guess I'm as I meant, as you're talking about

1443
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: some of these different places that you're setting up, and

1444
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: I got to thinking about your actual setup. Do you

1445
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: have any typical things that you always do when you

1446
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 1: set up a tree stands? There a certain height or

1447
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: certain way you like to face or stand. Um, any

1448
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: anything specific about how you actually get your your stand

1449
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: setups up that you like to share. I'm big uncover,

1450
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I'm not necessarily a big believer

1451
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: in that you've got to be high. I'm I'm more

1452
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: a believer in your background has to be you have

1453
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: to be hidden. Um. You know I've killed you know,

1454
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: I fill my partner Kim Wood shoot a deer seven

1455
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: feet off the ground. We was in a little cedar

1456
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 1: tree and I mean we literally could almost There was

1457
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: times I could have kicked the dough in the face.

1458
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: I think. Um, but you know it's all about cover

1459
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 1: in my mind, you know, being hidden. Yes, the higher

1460
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: you are, you can get a little better wind consistency,

1461
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: or maybe get away with something. But like I said,

1462
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: we try to hunt the wind anyways, and so we're

1463
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: not so much worried about that. We try to get hidden,

1464
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: especially when you've got two guys in the tree and

1465
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: your run cameras wherever I can get into the cover,

1466
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: into a crotch and feel hidden, you know, And I

1467
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: try to place my stand where I don't have to

1468
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,440
Speaker 1: do a bunch of moving to get the shot if possible. Um,

1469
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, I some times you have to pick just

1470
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: a straight pole type tree, which you know is not

1471
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: my favorite by no means, but um sometimes you have

1472
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: to that's all you got. But um, I really like

1473
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: to pick you know, limmi forky type trees. You know,

1474
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: trees are holding their leaves and they're in a good spot.

1475
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: You know a lot of your white oaks and beach

1476
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: will be holding their leaves light in the year. Scarlett,

1477
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: hope those are good trees to pick if you have them. Interesting. Yeah,

1478
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: I love hearing about all the different specific details like that.

1479
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: Once you it definitely seems like there's patterns that emerged

1480
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: with different types of hunters. But when it comes right

1481
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: down to it, covers it is probably the most important thing.

1482
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 1: If you can make sure you're not getting spotted in

1483
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: the tree, you can you can get away with some

1484
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: things that maybe other things that maybe aren't perfect. So yeah,

1485
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: I agree Dan, Dan over there, I know you probably

1486
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: need to bounce soon. Do you have any final question

1487
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: for Ben before we wrap things up? Anything that's still

1488
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: in your mind? Well, like he said, I have probably

1489
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand more questions I'd like to ask, but

1490
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: we don't have time time for that. One question I

1491
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: always ask people, though, is what do you feel what's

1492
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: one thing that sticks out in your head that most

1493
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: hunters do wrong when going after a big buck? Mm hmm. Boy,

1494
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: that's a tough one there. I mean, you know, I

1495
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: think sometimes hunting too much? I think, you know, Um,

1496
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: That's one thing I've taught myself over the years is

1497
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: hunt smarter, not harder, um, you know. And it all

1498
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: depends on the deer. You know. If you know that

1499
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: that deer isn't living on you and the only time

1500
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get him is to be walking through you

1501
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 1: on your property, then maybe you have to hunt harder

1502
01:16:54,720 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: than normal, you know. Um. But if you're if you

1503
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 1: think you can be in that deer's roundhouse. Then I

1504
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: think you have to play your cards right and you

1505
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: wait for the movement to be correct, you know, um,

1506
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: whether it be a weather front or a high pressure system,

1507
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: or the right wind or the correct moon. You know,

1508
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: a rising moon, you know in the fall. Um. You

1509
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: know when you're driving down the road and you see

1510
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: that moon in the sky, you know, two three o'clock

1511
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, already starting to rise. Those are great

1512
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: days to be in a stand. But if the weather

1513
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: coninsides what it makes a lot better, you know, I

1514
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 1: mean um and saying with the late falling moon in

1515
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: the morning, you know, morning's hunt. Morning hunts are really

1516
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: good catching deer coming back to bed later from a

1517
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: food source for you know, staging areas when that moon

1518
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: is falling, because they just they're upfeeding again. Yeah. I

1519
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with you more on that, On that basic principle,

1520
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: I think hunting less will actually lead to you killing

1521
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: more if you're especially if you're targeting these mature bucks.

1522
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: It really is about quality over quantity um. But that's

1523
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: it's a hard pill of swallow, right, because people want

1524
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: and that's what I tell people. Look, I think if

1525
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: you just really love to be out there and you

1526
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: love to hunt, and there's nothing wrong with that, you know.

1527
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: I love to be out there and enjoy mother nature,

1528
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, and just watch deer in general. But I'll

1529
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: fit certain spots for that. You know, I'm gonna go

1530
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: hunt a farm that I don't care about or that

1531
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about, you know, trying to kill the

1532
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: biggest deer on that farm, you know, I mean they're

1533
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: trying to harm us the dough or you know, something

1534
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 1: like that, or just in general be in the woods

1535
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: watching gear movement, um, you know. But I'm not going

1536
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: to consistently go pounding into the area that I'm trying

1537
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: to kill a hundred nineties deer that the neighbors are

1538
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: trying to kill also, and I'm not going to do

1539
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: anything in my power. It's gonna pushing him to somebody

1540
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: else before I get the chance at him, you know. Yeah, Yeah,

1541
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the trick is figuring out where that

1542
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: fine line is that you can walk where you can

1543
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: hunt enough to have the chance for success, but not

1544
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: some that you blow them out of the country or

1545
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: lose that. And I think that's for people if they

1546
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: pay attention. You know, if they learn how to run

1547
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: the trail cameras correctly, and you know they're not blowing

1548
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: into the timber, and they're they're smart enough to understand

1549
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: that the information in the data or they're collecting from

1550
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: the trail cameras on the edges or the scrapes or

1551
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: the food sources. You piece that part of the puzzle together.

1552
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: You know, you look at the times that those pictures

1553
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: were taken. You know, if you're if if those deer

1554
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: aren't hitting your food source un till an hour or

1555
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: two hours after dark consistently, well they're betting a lot

1556
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: farther away, then you probably have access to you know,

1557
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,560
Speaker 1: so you either got two choices. You either got to

1558
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: find get access to where they're at, or you gotta

1559
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: hunt deeper on your property and find a way to

1560
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: get in there to catch them. Come into that food

1561
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: source before they before it gets dark. You know. Um,

1562
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: but if you know, if it's real late, then you're

1563
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, you've got a big battle against you, and

1564
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to wait until the rut, you know,

1565
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: or that pre rut time when those bucks are really anty.

1566
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 1: Then then that's when you can somewhat catch those deer

1567
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: in an unpredictable spot, you know, when they're normally not there.

1568
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: You know, if they start hitting those scrapes on your

1569
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: farm and hitting those food sources, cruising around looking for

1570
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: those and that pretty right at a better time, getting

1571
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,879
Speaker 1: closer to you know, the end of day darkness or daylight,

1572
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: then you can somewhat put it together. Yeah, I think

1573
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: something you mentioned there um relates to you. I think

1574
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: I hear from so many guys who talk about I've

1575
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: got all these pictures of big Bucks on a trail camera,

1576
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: even during the season, but you know, I can never

1577
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: get I never see him and when you talk to him.

1578
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: It's because it's a situation like well, in some cases

1579
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: like you just mentioned, where all these pictures are at

1580
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: midnight or one o'clock, you know, four or five, six

1581
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: hours after daylight, before daylight the next day, and these

1582
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: deer like you mentioned are probably you know, far far away.

1583
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: They're not they're not living on that farm. So there's

1584
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: guys that are thinking that they just keep hunting over

1585
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: and over and over that magically, one day this deer

1586
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: is going to appear during daylight right where they've been

1587
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: sitting but in a lot of cases, either they are

1588
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: pressuring the deer so much that he's become nocturnal, or

1589
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: he only shows up in your property three hours after

1590
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: dark because he's not living there, and so to your point,

1591
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: you need to wait until the rut when maybe there's

1592
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: a better chance of him cruising through during daylight. So

1593
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: it's it's all about trying to put those pieces of

1594
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: the puzzle together and figure out how you read that

1595
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: intel and how that fits into what your strategy should be.

1596
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: It seems like, yeah, I agree, and I mean, you know,

1597
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to display and sometimes those deer are

1598
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: on that property. It's just that they may be so

1599
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: pressured that they know that they're not going to move.

1600
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: So that's good and dark yeah you know. Um so yeah, yeah,

1601
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: that's definitely a situation you don't want to be in.

1602
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: But many people find themselves in that for sure. So

1603
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: so I want to I want to throw one more

1604
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: question that should been um at least for me, every season,

1605
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: no matter you know, no matter how well the previous

1606
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: season went. For me, every year, there's always at least

1607
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: one thing that I go into the next year thinking

1608
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: that I want to improve on. I always managed to

1609
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 1: find something that I've done not quite the way I

1610
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: wanted to. So so this year there's there's a couple

1611
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: of things in my mind that I want to do

1612
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: differently this season to try to become just a little

1613
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: bit more successful. Is there anything for you this year

1614
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: that you want to try to specifically improve on it

1615
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: or fix for the two thousand sixteen season that you

1616
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: can think of? Um, you know, I always I always

1617
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: want to be a better shot, you know, I mean

1618
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: I so I always try to make sure I practice

1619
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: enough and you know, put myself in those positions. And

1620
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something that's really made a big difference

1621
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:37,759
Speaker 1: for me. Is uh the h A optimizer site single

1622
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: pin adjustable. Um, that site has changed how I shoot,

1623
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: especially as I'm getting older. My eyes are getting a

1624
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: little you know, less than what they were and on

1625
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: forty one now and you know, I don't see like

1626
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: I did when I was twenty. But that site has

1627
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: really that single pin site has really changed the game

1628
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: for me. Um, you know, and I really did. I

1629
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: had a great success this year shooting here with that

1630
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: and so you know, and I never was a believer

1631
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: in those kind of sites until I tried it, and

1632
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 1: it really so I you know, I want to fine

1633
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: tune that, you know a little bit this year, getting

1634
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: better you know with that. And you know, I think

1635
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: just in general, as you get older, you get calmer

1636
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: and you start paying a little more attention to things.

1637
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: You know, you just realize where you can always improve,

1638
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: and it's it's always you know, you can maybe find

1639
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: better ground, you can maybe you know, hunt smarter, you know,

1640
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: just different things like that. Um, you know, getting my

1641
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: kids involved more as they get older, you know, as

1642
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: a key factor. That's awesome. Yeah, I think there's at

1643
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: least for me, that there's never a shortage of different

1644
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: little areas I want to tweak something or explore something

1645
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, or just what I do. It's

1646
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: it seems to be an endless and never ending puzzle

1647
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: that we're always trying to figure out. Yeah, it's but

1648
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: it just seems to always go back to the basics,

1649
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 1: you know, true, it just really does. You know. It's

1650
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 1: funny how I mean, I can remember shooting my first

1651
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: year years ago with a illuminum arrow that was the

1652
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: size of a baseball bat. Seemed like and you know,

1653
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,799
Speaker 1: triple headed broad head or you know this crazy stuff

1654
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: and you know it's just you know, and they work.

1655
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of you know, we've gotten so

1656
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: high tech anymore that sometimes we lose sight of just

1657
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: the simple things that are effective. Very true, very true.

1658
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 1: So so Ben, this has been this has been super interesting.

1659
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: I like Dan said a couple of minutes ago, we

1660
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: could probably sit here and talk to you for three

1661
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: more days, Um, but we do need to wrap it up.

1662
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 1: So I know you mentioned a little while ago white

1663
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: Tail Edge. Is this new web show you've got going on?

1664
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: Do you want can you tell us anything more about

1665
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: what what that is? When we should expect to see

1666
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 1: more from it where we can find it? Yeah, well

1667
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,440
Speaker 1: you'll be seeing is here in the next couple of weeks. Um.

1668
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: We have a website called white Tailed Edge dot com

1669
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's actually gonna be aired um through Woodberry Outfitters,

1670
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: which is a store out of Coshocton, Ohio. He has

1671
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:17,560
Speaker 1: a big online web sales, has three different locations for stores. Um.

1672
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 1: And you know he's basically wants to be the white

1673
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: Tail authority for you know, your shopping needs, you know. Um.

1674
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: And as this gets going, you know we're going to

1675
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: carry the products. You know, we already carried. He carries

1676
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 1: everything already, but he wants to, you know, we kind

1677
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: of want to have our own line of specific things

1678
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: that we carry, you know. And right now we're sponsored

1679
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: by Wicked Tree Gear, Redneck Blinds, h h A Sports, um,

1680
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: Rocky Boots you know. Um, so just different things like

1681
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: that Big Time which you know here in Ohio you

1682
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 1: can supplemental feed dear and uh I was just introduced

1683
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,839
Speaker 1: a big Time last year and the results for amazing

1684
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Speaker 1: to me as far as you know what it can

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01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: do for your dear, especially this time of year after

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01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 1: their sheding. Awesome. Awesome. So you said white Tail white

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01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 1: tail edge dot com. Yeah, white Tail edge dot com. Um,

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01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 1: we have video blogs. You can go to what very

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01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: outfitters dot com too and you can take some things there.

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01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,839
Speaker 1: But we have a Facebook page and I'm on Twitter

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01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: and Instagram. Uh so is Tim Woods, which he's you know,

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01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: my other main guide is going to be a part

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01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:24,759
Speaker 1: of it. And then I got a couple other buddies

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01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: that are part of it in my wife. So um

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01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean we're just basically gonna be killing

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01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: deer and trying to show people what we do, and

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01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully it's entertaining and informative like it has

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01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: been tonight for you guys. Hopefully definitely definitely a little

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01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: different twists. You know, web shows are different. They're not

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01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: dirty minutes shows. You know, they're gonna be eight to

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01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: twelve minutes, but hopefully it's pretty darn entertaining. You know.

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01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm excited to check them out. I know I've enjoyed

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01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: your videos in the past with the juries, so I'm

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01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: sure this will be This will be great too. So

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01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: we'll make sure to link to with the website and

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01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: your Facebook page and various other social media links that

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01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned there, and we'll have that up on the

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01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: blog post for for this episode, So Ben, thank you.

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01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: We we also have Wicked Ridge out Fitters, so you

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01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: can go there to find us Wicked Ridge out Fitters

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01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: dot com. That's my outfitting business. And then, uh, the

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01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 1: Hantah is just funny about the high and tight deer

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01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: that hunter fours just your that's actually on Bone Collector,

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01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: which it showed already in January, but it'll show again

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01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 1: two more times this season, I think. So if people

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01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: want to watch a Bone Collector, you know, I'll show

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01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: they'll be able to see that nice perfect That would

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01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: be cool. How how big was that one again? Three

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01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: and like three eights or something? Wow? Yeah, we'll definitely

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01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: want to check that out. So this has been great, Ben,

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01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you joining us so so thank you

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01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: so much. And good luck this next season. Okay, buddy,

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01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: you have a good night. Thanks for having me. Alright,

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01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: So there you go. Interesting stuff, don't you think. Ninety

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01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: four episode us in And I gotta say, I still

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01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: haven't heard from a single guest yet who doesn't at

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01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: least have some little unique angle or slightly different way

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01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: to go about things. And I love that. I love

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01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 1: that every time we talk to someone we can learn

1730
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: something new. And everybody's got a slightly different way of

1731
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 1: going about them so there certainly are a lot of

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01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: different ways to skin this cat, and I suppose that's

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01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: part of what makes all this so much fun. There's

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01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: lots and lots to learn, no doubt about that. So

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01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: well that I all said, before we wrap this up,

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01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: we do need to give a big thank you to

1737
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,520
Speaker 1: our partners who helped make the Wire to Hunt podcast possible.

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01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 1: So big thank you too. Sick a Gear Trophy Ridge

1739
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunter a, Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express,

1740
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

1741
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: Please help the Wired Hunt podcast by supporting these companies

1742
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: and letting them know that you're enjoying the show. So, finally,

1743
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 1: and most importantly, thank you for joining us today. We

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01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: appreciate you tuning in and spending a little bit of

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01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: time with us. So until next time, have a great week,

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Speaker 1: good luck shed hunting, and stay Wired to Hunt. M

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