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Speaker 4: Now do you smell it?
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Speaker 4: Of underwere Olympics.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's close OTAs. So anybody go out there earlier.
Speaker 5: Look care, nobody care, nobody cares. Great, okay, well nice show.
Speaker 5: Oh what are we doing? What are we doing? Why
Speaker 5: are we doing this again? OTAs have started? No Michael
Speaker 5: Parsons contract.
Speaker 6: What are we doing?
Speaker 7: Good?
Speaker 4: Good job, Michael. We do like that.
Speaker 2: Yes, they say he's holding out not because of the money,
Speaker 2: but because missus Jones don't know who his agent is,
Speaker 2: his agent, it's like his personality.
Speaker 4: But why are we doing this? This is this is
Speaker 4: Micah not being here is common law. That's it. You
Speaker 4: pay the man his money.
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about that. I get that. I agree
Speaker 5: with Micah. Why we not paid the man? This is
Speaker 5: deja vu? What's the definition of insanity doing the same result?
Speaker 4: Cowboy forgot that tattooed on their why on their chest?
Speaker 5: You knew all you knew for You've known for how
Speaker 5: five years? Four years that this was going to happen
Speaker 5: at this time of year, and every year it cost
Speaker 5: you money, and it cost you collateral, and it costs.
Speaker 8: You and they always wind up paying them with due they.
Speaker 5: Okay, So my question is do they do this on
Speaker 5: purpose to stay in the news and stay relevant and
Speaker 5: have the buzz.
Speaker 4: So a good friend of mine, Happy birthday to my
Speaker 4: good friend, Jeffrey Cravinall. Happy birthday, Jeff. He had a
Speaker 4: theory that I when I heard it, I said, hmm.
Speaker 4: And the more I've thought about it, the more I
Speaker 4: potentially believe it. You subscribe to this theory, I think,
Speaker 4: so ell us.
Speaker 5: Please, so, Jeff said conspiracy.
Speaker 4: Jeff said that one of the reasons why the Cowboys
Speaker 4: wait till the very last minute to pay players is
Speaker 4: because they don't have the money. They have the money
Speaker 4: they want to keep. They want to keep money in
Speaker 4: the bank and or the keep growing interest. So if
Speaker 4: I pay him early, I can't keep collecting.
Speaker 5: Interest on this money business.
Speaker 4: That if I wait to the very last moment, I
Speaker 4: still get an opportunity. The money's gonna get paid right,
Speaker 4: like we're all we are all under the knowledge and
Speaker 4: sound mind of Mike is gonna get paid right, like
Speaker 4: he would be the He would be the absolute weirdest
Speaker 4: one that you decide not to pay right. You paid Zeke,
Speaker 4: you paid Zach, you paid Dak, you paid CD, you
Speaker 4: paid all the other holdouts tank and everybody hold it.
Speaker 4: They got paid. So there's no in my mind, it's
Speaker 4: not an if it's win. But the theory of that
Speaker 4: money continues to collect interest as long as it says,
Speaker 4: as long as it is in his bank account and.
Speaker 6: Not as he told you four years ago. And they
Speaker 6: laughed at me.
Speaker 2: I told him, I say, they just wait because it
Speaker 2: ain't like it's ten thousand dollars five percent interest.
Speaker 6: It's thirty one million.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, ten percentry because you dictate
Speaker 2: to the bank, I need ten percent. If you want
Speaker 2: this thirty one minute, I need ten percent.
Speaker 5: So according to chat GPT, the simple interest rate, which
Speaker 5: I'm sure when you have as much money as mister Jones,
Speaker 5: there's all kinds of bunky interest rates. Simple interest rate
Speaker 5: on Let's just say one hundred million dollars over one
Speaker 5: year is a million dollars.
Speaker 4: You up that to ten percent.
Speaker 5: That's ten million dollars, ten extra million dollars for holding
Speaker 5: on to that. Let's just say it's one hundred million
Speaker 5: that you have to pay micahh ten million dollars over
Speaker 5: the course of a year could be that's a lot
Speaker 5: of moment, that's.
Speaker 6: A lot of money.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, it's like that not a far fetched out.
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm gonna give them the money.
Speaker 5: So if it costs them an extra twenty million on
Speaker 5: the back end, they still made eighty million.
Speaker 4: Still eighty million, eighty million. Now I can go invest
Speaker 4: that in something else.
Speaker 5: I can hang on to that to the last minute
Speaker 5: and make another.
Speaker 4: See, they're playing money games that we don't even that's
Speaker 4: the business side of footbaight. We don't even we don't
Speaker 4: even understand that because we don't even in those fields.
Speaker 4: We don't don't that playground, that type of rich money playground.
Speaker 6: We don't.
Speaker 4: We don't play in that field. We pay taxes, they
Speaker 4: get around it.
Speaker 6: We don't. We don't get it.
Speaker 4: We don't play in that playground. And it might be
Speaker 4: far fetched, but.
Speaker 6: It's close to the truth. And what over these other
Speaker 6: guys making up.
Speaker 4: You're blaming for doing that, not the business side, would you?
Speaker 4: And that's the and that's the thing unless you.
Speaker 5: Only when we, I mean we you guys talk about
Speaker 5: this all the time, the star and the m and
Speaker 5: you know, the players talk about the tours and all
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 4: That's the thing.
Speaker 5: If if you don't have other as a football team.
Speaker 5: If it's just football, that that that stuff doesn't come
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 4: You your football football.
Speaker 5: Jerry has so many different interests in so many different
Speaker 5: business he understands that part of it. Like he understands
Speaker 5: like Okay, now if I do this that that I
Speaker 5: totally could buy into that.
Speaker 4: And like he gets that.
Speaker 5: That's how his mind work hits it.
Speaker 4: Like you said to him, Okay, if it costs me
Speaker 4: an extra ten to twenty million dollars in the back end,
Speaker 4: I'm still eighty million up right, I'm still eighty up
Speaker 4: And because we have to, we have to believe that
Speaker 4: there is enough financially literate people, contractually literate people that
Speaker 4: are roaming in this building. I mean, hell, you can
Speaker 4: get any Tom Dick or Harry to get on the
Speaker 4: internet and tell you how a contract is broken down, right,
Speaker 4: Like that's not a hard thing to do. There's enough
Speaker 4: YouTube pages. If you go out there, they'll tell you
Speaker 4: how this is slotted for this. All you have to
Speaker 4: do is go say who was the last person to
Speaker 4: get the highest paid nine quarterback contract. There's the blueprint,
Speaker 4: there's a foundation, and now we build off that. When
Speaker 4: Jerry and when Jerry came out of a month or
Speaker 4: so ago and he said, or they alluded to that,
Speaker 4: he and Micah had a meeting of the minds. They
Speaker 4: sat in the room and they came to some sort
Speaker 4: of figure, whether it be years, money guaranteed, whatever that
Speaker 4: number is. Jerry walked out of that meeting and said, cool,
Speaker 4: now I know. Now I know what the number is.
Speaker 4: Now I don't gotta sign it today because today doesn't
Speaker 4: change the number being what it is, give or take
Speaker 4: a million or two, right, And that's that's all depending
Speaker 4: upon if Trey Hendrickson gets a deal that now takes
Speaker 4: him over who is it, Miles Garrett has a last
Speaker 4: right like the last highest paid deal or whatever. Whoever's
Speaker 4: the last person to have the last non quarterbacks? Yeah,
Speaker 4: so what right, there's my foundation. Okay, I know that's
Speaker 4: whatever Max Crosby got. That's where I start. That's not
Speaker 4: a hard thing to deal with. Now we can kind
Speaker 4: of play a tuggle war with the years. Maybe if
Speaker 4: there's some other underlining thing, you know, off season bonuses.
Speaker 4: You gotta be here this in the third that's that's
Speaker 4: milutia in the in the whole grand scheme of thing.
Speaker 4: If I got the big numbers down, the years, the guarantees,
Speaker 4: if I have those down, it's now just okay cool.
Speaker 8: Do you think the player and agent recognize this and
Speaker 8: they're okay with it?
Speaker 4: I think if David, if if I think David mumlu
Speaker 4: Getta is as smart as I believe he.
Speaker 5: Is, sure he probably he probably loves it.
Speaker 4: But for his for for his thing is it's the
Speaker 4: quicker he can get it signed. The quicker it gets
Speaker 4: the interest, gets it his better right. The quicker he
Speaker 4: has something for David mullo Gatta. It's not necessarily the money.
Speaker 4: It is the money, right, But every passing day that
Speaker 4: that deal isn't signed is a passing day that something
Speaker 4: catastrophic can happen to his one of his most prized possessions.
Speaker 5: And in that business, you you eat what you kill.
Speaker 4: So he's like, hey, let's sign today because tomorrow. I mean,
Speaker 4: life is funny, right, Life is funny, And I'm not
Speaker 4: This is not me wishing anything negative, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 4: weird things happen, Weird things happen. Mike is very active.
Speaker 4: He's very active. He's traveling now, I believe something right,
Speaker 4: So wherever he may land anything. I mean, you can
Speaker 4: trip coming off, come out of first class wrestling, you
Speaker 4: can sumo wrestler and tear totin. I don't know, but
Speaker 4: for David Maulugetta, it's the sooner I get this thing inked,
Speaker 4: the sooner my client becomes the richest non quarterback deal
Speaker 4: in NFL history. The riches.
Speaker 6: Then to every college, you say, see what I did exactly?
Speaker 5: You ever heard of Michael Parsons I got, I got zero,
Speaker 5: I got the riches.
Speaker 4: I got the richest guarantee contract in Deshaun Watson. I
Speaker 4: got the richest non quarterback guarantee in Michael Parsons. I
Speaker 4: got the richest the cornerback contract in NFL history and
Speaker 4: j C. Horn Before god, I had the other one
Speaker 4: in Jayalen Ramsey.
Speaker 8: Right, So yeah, he wants to sign now, he has
Speaker 8: to take less money. If he wants to wait, then
Speaker 8: Jerry's going to get his on the I'm just.
Speaker 5: Saying, and I can buy into that, So just Kirk
Speaker 5: call me out if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Though, Well, you know what the thing about it is,
Speaker 2: you don't have to buy into it. The bank accounts
Speaker 2: just scrolls, and.
Speaker 4: That's what this is.
Speaker 5: How this is how the mind works right around here.
Speaker 4: Is Legends.
Speaker 5: You've heard everybody's heard of Legends, right.
Speaker 4: The way Legends started was basically years and years ago.
Speaker 5: They're all these companies that made you know, concession companies,
Speaker 5: right like I think Levi and there's some other ones.
Speaker 5: And they would come into all these venues because, you know,
Speaker 5: sporting events.
Speaker 4: You're not in the cooking business.
Speaker 5: You're in the entertainment business, the ticket business, the on
Speaker 5: field of the business. So all these companies had a
Speaker 5: business where they would come in and they would they
Speaker 5: would out they would outsource your food, and.
Speaker 4: They brings big time.
Speaker 5: Caterer is huge for game days, big you know, thousands
Speaker 5: of hundreds of thousands of people. And you know, Jerry
Speaker 5: looked at that model and he was like, I can
Speaker 5: make a hot dog, we can make hot dogs, we
Speaker 5: make popcorn, we can make hot dogs. Let me see
Speaker 5: what they're doing. I can do this for my stadium.
Speaker 5: And you know what, if I do it good enough,
Speaker 5: why would I compete with you guys?
Speaker 4: So they formed Legends with you know.
Speaker 5: I think it was at the time, was a Yankee
Speaker 5: and his sacks and they were all partners and they
Speaker 5: did it, you know, as Jerry does. He gets in there,
Speaker 5: rolls and sleeves up, he figures it out and goes,
Speaker 5: you know what, we're actually doing it better than these guys.
Speaker 5: Let's go get that business. And then that turned into
Speaker 5: merchandising and ticket sales and premium seating sales and tours
Speaker 5: and now it's its own business and that's just the way.
Speaker 5: So yes, one hundred percent I buy it because his mind,
Speaker 5: just the.
Speaker 4: Is in half of NFL stadium and other sports and overseas,
Speaker 4: he's in like everywhere. So that's just he's making money
Speaker 4: at game that he's not even playing, so he's he's
Speaker 4: thinking that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think football is the most important thing in
Speaker 5: his life because I think he would do anything to
Speaker 5: win another one. But like, hey, that money's making money,
Speaker 5: and that money's making money, and why wouldn't So that
Speaker 5: totally makes it.
Speaker 4: One thing I'll never forget. And when I heard it,
Speaker 4: it made sense, but I was just show shocked. And
Speaker 4: this is how I know that I'll never be able
Speaker 4: to fully get to the depths of where and how
Speaker 4: and all the places that Jerry makes money. They were
Speaker 4: having a conversation about a year or so ago about
Speaker 4: playing overseas when they had the game in Brazil, right,
Speaker 4: was it Brazil? Was it Brazil? Yeah, Yes, the game
Speaker 4: was in Brazil.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And they were talking about it and they was asking Jerry, like, hey,
Speaker 4: would you have a game in Brazil? Yeah? No, And
Speaker 4: he said it so casually that a lot of people
Speaker 4: did just missed out on it. He said, basically no,
Speaker 4: but said, you know, I like that, I like that.
Speaker 4: I like Brazil. I owned a couple of car dealerships
Speaker 4: out there, and I.
Speaker 2: Said I remember that, I remember a couple of cars,
Speaker 2: and they and it is like right over.
Speaker 4: Wait, wait, wait what what what?
Speaker 6: What's the follow up?
Speaker 4: Over? Like it's just he's just like you basically, no,
Speaker 4: I'm if I'm a player, I don't want to give
Speaker 4: home games up. And if I do, I kind of
Speaker 4: want to go to Mexico City, you know, the Mexico
Speaker 4: Mexico City type thing. But he said, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: great people, great place.
Speaker 6: Owned a couple of.
Speaker 4: Car dealerships out there, and it just it just went
Speaker 4: on with the next question. I was like, wait, what.
Speaker 2: It's about, Like, he's just unreal, man, h some of
Speaker 2: the things, you know, Uh, one year he was number four,
Speaker 2: number five, or six highest, you know, wealthy wealths man.
Speaker 6: And two years later he moved up up the list
Speaker 6: and then.
Speaker 2: He just said it so like, oh man, they found
Speaker 2: out I owned a few more things.
Speaker 6: And he just kept right on talking.
Speaker 4: You just get like, wow, that's that's great insight.
Speaker 2: Jesse never yeah, thought that well, I promised. They laughed
Speaker 2: at me when I brought that up. I say, he's
Speaker 2: making more money. I wanted as elaborated, you know, specific, but.
Speaker 6: He's making money off of these contracts that he hold out.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's when I that's when I first
Speaker 2: found out that the more money you have, the more
Speaker 2: when you go.
Speaker 6: To a bank you can negotiate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you got millions and millions of dollars and
Speaker 2: you say, hey, man, I need my money for the
Speaker 2: eight dollars, Well, sir, let me check your account sir, what.
Speaker 6: Can we do? Would you like in advanced Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because if you take that type of money out of
Speaker 2: somebody's bank, you cramped their style. That lending ability goes
Speaker 2: down just a notch.
Speaker 5: Wow man, all right, that's one thing we don't have
Speaker 5: to worry about in this room.
Speaker 6: I don't big yes, yes, don't let your house go
Speaker 6: to chopping blocks. It will be like a vaulture.
Speaker 4: There will be signed spirk you create, it will be signed.
Speaker 4: If I forget that, well, I will be signs like
Speaker 4: you won't be here.
Speaker 6: I'll be here, you know. I laugh it, I peop,
Speaker 6: don't man me. If I had one hundred million dollars, man,
Speaker 6: I still come to work. Okay, why you're waiting to you?
Speaker 5: I'd still come to work, but it'd be a different
Speaker 5: business model for real business.
Speaker 6: You dub me. Why you're gonna go work eighteen hours
Speaker 6: a day?
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Speaker 4: All right, football is back.
Speaker 5: And coach said they want to compete every single day
Speaker 5: at everything, everything pong, basketball, football.
Speaker 4: What coach doesn't say that? You know what you know?
Speaker 5: Pat him out the buildings four more months, my back
Speaker 5: game four week four.
Speaker 4: He got him out the building.
Speaker 6: My bad.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, You're right, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 6: Crushing him from the start.
Speaker 8: Coach say that, but players want that. I mean players
Speaker 8: are competitive by nature. By nature, I mean it's they're
Speaker 8: gonna remember when I was with the Stars, were just
Speaker 8: sitting around waiting on the bus, a bunch of guys playing.
Speaker 8: Before you know it, they're throwing quarters and get it
Speaker 8: closest to the wall.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just competitive.
Speaker 8: No, I'm sorry, there's always something man, No, no, tryers
Speaker 8: are built like that.
Speaker 4: Yes, you want to compete at everything, but I'm sorry, continue, No, no,
Speaker 4: go ahead, I don't know what. No, I just go ahead, finish.
Speaker 6: Do you like that?
Speaker 4: Is Every coach liked that. Every coach says that coach speak.
Speaker 5: It's we want to be competitive every day and we'll
Speaker 5: you know, play you wherever, the moon, the parking lot, whatever.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: That's all, but like saying it and then and then
Speaker 5: doing it right, like the ping pong table and setting
Speaker 5: things up for it. And I was going to ask
Speaker 5: you that we we talked about this last week.
Speaker 4: Why you were gone.
Speaker 5: It's a couple of the players have said they haven't
Speaker 5: seen an environment like this, right it's early on.
Speaker 4: It's you know, they've.
Speaker 5: Got ping pong going on. They're competing they're staying around.
Speaker 4: Just that Jesse brought this up.
Speaker 5: It's important to stay around and hey, just hang out with.
Speaker 4: The guys, spend quality time. You guys did.
Speaker 5: That a lot, right where y'allall were always at the
Speaker 5: facility playing dominoes.
Speaker 6: Whatever, even when you want to do playing cards, how
Speaker 6: the facility.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the area of the facility.
Speaker 5: Don't spend a lot of quality time after and before practice?
Speaker 4: Quality quality?
Speaker 5: How important is that to not like when the meetings
Speaker 5: are over, to grab your bag and go. How did
Speaker 5: how did that bond you guys?
Speaker 4: On game day?
Speaker 5: Knowing that like just you know, you get to know them, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get to know guys personally, their families, who's single,
Speaker 2: who's not. You know, you get to know the little
Speaker 2: nuances of what irritates a guy whatever, Because that.
Speaker 5: Translated into wins and losses, ends on the game.
Speaker 6: It has a little bit to do with it. It
Speaker 6: has it has a little bit to do with it.
Speaker 2: Because if me and Jesse are truly bond, you know,
Speaker 2: and he said, hey, man, I need for you to
Speaker 2: come do his show, you know, well, Jesse, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you I may have acted kind of nonchalant here, but
Speaker 2: tell him what happened Jess showed up?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was like, you know what now, I.
Speaker 2: Just can't tell Jes to this and not so I
Speaker 2: showed up before they was ready.
Speaker 6: For me to show up.
Speaker 4: He changed because because.
Speaker 2: If you truly about somebody and you say your word
Speaker 2: is everything, that that And that's where Michael Irving got
Speaker 2: a lot of us, you know, because he would hang
Speaker 2: out he want a big domino guy whatever, but he
Speaker 2: would be there, you know, talking on the side, and
Speaker 2: he would get to know you to the point where
Speaker 2: hey man, what did you tell me by you say
Speaker 2: he was gonna work out?
Speaker 6: Or Charles had to say, hey man, I'm over here
Speaker 6: to work out.
Speaker 2: So it depends on who your leaders are and how
Speaker 2: they hold you. You know, every day guy like me
Speaker 2: and you we just to kick a old guy. We
Speaker 2: gonna do what we do, you know, but we go
Speaker 2: get out that door. But if you and Kirk got
Speaker 2: a real bunker, like where are you going? Man? Now,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden I see you like, well you
Speaker 2: come on, Shane, and like nah, I got told Curt, I.
Speaker 6: Don't do this.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden I got to wait on you.
Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, I'm called up in that workout,
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, so it just been known who them
Speaker 2: leaders are and what type of relationship they have.
Speaker 8: Okay, didn't work like that in your your round.
Speaker 2: It's just I'm telling you everybody can't. Everybody's not built
Speaker 2: to be a leader. I'm telling you everybody's not built
Speaker 2: to be a leader.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: Uh, just because you're the best player.
Speaker 6: Don't make you the leader.
Speaker 4: Don't make you the leader. I mean, I know it
Speaker 4: sounds like one plus one should be two, but I'm
Speaker 4: just saying that that doesn't, I agree, necessarily translate to
Speaker 4: being how it should be.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's so much that goes into I mean, there's
Speaker 8: good on field leaders that aren't necessarily locker room guys.
Speaker 8: I would think I'm Troy because you gotta troll.
Speaker 2: Was that good on field leader? Now, even though he
Speaker 2: could give you a look and it you know, and
Speaker 2: it made you straighten up. He can give you a
Speaker 2: look you know, he'll look at you and it'll make
Speaker 2: you get in line.
Speaker 6: But off the field, he wasn't Off the field you
Speaker 6: helping guys.
Speaker 2: He was gonna well, he did help me with some commercials,
Speaker 2: but I.
Speaker 4: I mean that was that was a guy like I
Speaker 4: can't say, but that was like a guy like Jason Whitten,
Speaker 4: like he led by example. Yes, you know, hey, come
Speaker 4: to practice, do what I do. But it wasn't like.
Speaker 6: Watch film, big hangout guy.
Speaker 4: When he left here, he went home.
Speaker 8: Yea soul of guys in the locker room. Will they
Speaker 8: follow that guy who's just lead by example on field?
Speaker 7: Ors?
Speaker 6: Does he?
Speaker 8: Kind of?
Speaker 6: Everybody has their place and time.
Speaker 2: Everybody has the present time because when the game gets
Speaker 2: when the game gets tight, you know, you got your
Speaker 2: emotional leader in Mike. You know who's out who was
Speaker 2: our true team leader?
Speaker 6: You got him. But watch Troy. You know he he's historic,
Speaker 6: he's calm. You know, Mike over there got your geeked
Speaker 6: and hype.
Speaker 2: But you need to calm down, bro, You need to
Speaker 2: calm down there because you're gonna jump off side. Look
Speaker 2: at Troy. So yeah, each guy has this place. Charles
Speaker 2: Haley was different, he was a leader. He was different,
Speaker 2: Woody different. Every guy has this place, and every guy
Speaker 2: knew when to.
Speaker 6: To uh enforce who he was.
Speaker 4: You know, uh, do you think you think I'm sorry
Speaker 4: to cut you off? That's key, knowing when to as
Speaker 4: search your leadership. That's key because sometimes you know what,
Speaker 4: this is Michael Irvi's time. No, this ain't my time.
Speaker 4: This this, this occasion calls for a Michael Irvin cussing
Speaker 4: out yes for everybody, this is this isn't my time
Speaker 4: to come in and be Yeah, whatever I'm supposed to be,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm I'm gonna sit back and take
Speaker 4: it like the rest of us. Sometimes it's we need
Speaker 4: the rationale of a Woodie wood He gonna calm us
Speaker 4: and give us the rationale and give us a strategic type.
Speaker 4: That's his time, you know so I think that's that's key.
Speaker 4: It's you have a bunch of leaders, but it's it's
Speaker 4: the ones that delegated at the right time, because in
Speaker 4: certain tense moments, don't come in here yelling at me.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, not this ain't this ain't the moment. This
Speaker 4: ain't the moment I need you come in here screaming
Speaker 4: whether my whether my energy isn't awful or I'm hot sprung.
Speaker 4: But you coming here yelling and fussing. Now, I'm yelling
Speaker 4: and fussing your situation worse.
Speaker 6: It made it worse.
Speaker 5: And if you hear the same message all the time
Speaker 5: from the same people.
Speaker 4: It kind of falls on deaf ears. Yeah, sometimes like
Speaker 4: you you that is so that's so good right there.
Speaker 4: That's so key, man. It's it's when when that leader
Speaker 4: asserts his or her type of leadership in the proper
Speaker 4: moments that that is key that can calm the storm,
Speaker 4: that can keep the train on the tracks, that can
Speaker 4: bring guys back together when you have the right leaders
Speaker 4: using their leadership style in the moments that is needed.
Speaker 6: Can you because Haley could could go Haley would go go, go,
Speaker 6: go off, and you know, into the secondary y'all need
Speaker 6: to do and would it be like.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay?
Speaker 6: And then but he'll pull his boys.
Speaker 2: You can see him say, hey, fellas, look here, I
Speaker 2: got this. Listen to my call. Just pay attention to
Speaker 2: my call. You know, everybody, just calm down and get
Speaker 2: back to you know, and Charles a bit, you know,
Speaker 2: be over there, you know, doing what he do. But
Speaker 2: I love our blend of guys, and I'm gonna tell you, fellas,
Speaker 2: winning makes it easier that bickering that you heard that
Speaker 2: two guys over there and the defense line was doing
Speaker 2: before the other guy went away. It's hard to listen
Speaker 2: to either one of those guys when you're losing because
Speaker 2: he's trying to enforce his will and the other guy's
Speaker 2: trying to enforce his will. And nine time out of ten,
Speaker 2: the way this team was structured, the younger guy was
Speaker 2: gonna win because time was not on the other guy's side.
Speaker 2: So even though he may be saying some good stuff
Speaker 2: by being responsible, being disciplined, they was not hearing it.
Speaker 4: Can you win championships?
Speaker 5: This probably translates to any sport, but football specifically without
Speaker 5: multiple leaders.
Speaker 6: Yes, you can.
Speaker 2: The smaller the sport, the more accurate you are. In basketball,
Speaker 2: it can be one of one or two guys. What
Speaker 2: about football football, No, you need some dogs. You need
Speaker 2: some dolls, and not ignorant dolls, not not rabbit dolls,
Speaker 2: just dogs run around with rabies. You need some you
Speaker 2: know it's hardcore, get out, strategic. Yeah, yeah, you need some.
Speaker 2: You need some leaders.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're gonna have Like Michael Irvin was our leader.
Speaker 6: He was the guy. He could mix with anybody, no
Speaker 6: matter who he was.
Speaker 2: But Troy had this place and it was special. Emmett
Speaker 2: had this place and they won. Everybody you know on defense,
Speaker 2: it was Woody, it was denn it was Charles Hayley,
Speaker 2: and now everybody can't be leaders. A lot of people
Speaker 2: are chirping and you don't even hear them. Man gets
Speaker 2: when sat.
Speaker 8: Down, You were there when Urban came into the league.
Speaker 8: How long did it take him to reach that?
Speaker 2: Not long, man, not long, because when he went because
Speaker 2: he had he was used to losing high school or college.
Speaker 2: And his brother's on the sideline crying. I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: bro I understand you crying. I said, well, we don't
Speaker 2: have great players, you know, I said, we don't have
Speaker 2: you know, I can't see how the forty nine ers
Speaker 2: with Joe roll up in him.
Speaker 6: I'm like, you see that right there, that just left him, Brock.
Speaker 4: We gotta do something, you know, I can just lose it.
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2: And then when Jimmy came, he wrote that big long
Speaker 2: list of guys. Hey, man, get rid of this guy this. Yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: Mike was the man that was the man.
Speaker 4: And if you want to hear that story, you can
Speaker 4: look at Jesse Holliod Michael Irving. He told that story.
Speaker 6: Yeah he did, he did. Yeah, man, Jesse.
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Speaker 5: It's a good so quickquestions for you guys, Jesse will
Speaker 5: start with you.
Speaker 6: Nate.
Speaker 5: We kind of talked about your question on the show
Speaker 5: last week, so I want to get your opinion out
Speaker 5: that you're on the show. H Jalen Tobert said he's
Speaker 5: excited about having pickings on board. And when you're a
Speaker 5: guy that's in Jalen's situation, you know, you got a
Speaker 5: guy that comes in and you were in the running
Speaker 5: for number two slash three, and now all of a
Speaker 5: sudden you've moved down one notch on the depth chart
Speaker 5: like that. You gotta be happy for the team because
Speaker 5: teams success is going to be better, But personally, in
Speaker 5: the back of your mind, what does that do to
Speaker 5: your mentality and your psyche as a as a especially
Speaker 5: in the wide receiver room. You're happy for the team,
Speaker 5: but you're kind of like, how do you feel.
Speaker 4: Like what Jayln Tobert feels relieved? Okay, I was wondering.
Speaker 4: Now explain he feels relieved. No pressure on it.
Speaker 5: There's no more pressure now if he can go out,
Speaker 5: ball out, and there's no downside, right.
Speaker 8: Just worry about being a number two.
Speaker 4: You're not to worry about being number two solid number three.
Speaker 4: He's relieved. He's relieved because there was so much like
Speaker 4: relieved in the sense that I'm not put in the
Speaker 4: maybe category anymore because it was always CD and some maybees.
Speaker 4: It was always CD and the others, those guys, those
Speaker 4: guys and everybody myself included. Remember I had I had
Speaker 4: agend Otober agenda right, and it was like number two,
Speaker 4: number two, number two, number two, number two, step up,
Speaker 4: here's your chance, number two, number two. And as much
Speaker 4: as we want to push that, and I'm sure at
Speaker 4: some point in time it may be still floating around
Speaker 4: in Genitober's mind. It's the the want to of being
Speaker 4: because it sounds good, right, It sounds nice being the
Speaker 4: number two, you know what I mean? Like you know
Speaker 4: you you have to come to the realization is looking
Speaker 4: yourself in the mirror and going, I ain't even better
Speaker 4: than CD. Everybody likes a good old number two. I
Speaker 4: think he's relieved. I think the pressure is now off
Speaker 4: of him. He doesn't have to go out there and
Speaker 4: live up to this third round pick and coming in
Speaker 4: and being the guy. Now he can just come in.
Speaker 4: He'll be an eleven personnel. He'll get the worst defender,
Speaker 4: he'll get the worst defender in the secondary. Yeah, as
Speaker 4: long as CD and longest as pick is on the field,
Speaker 4: he's gonna get the worst defender in the secondary.
Speaker 5: The easiest gotta beat on the field at that time
Speaker 5: will be on him.
Speaker 4: And he had seven touchdowns with when he was the
Speaker 4: other guy. So hopefully that number can go up. Maybe
Speaker 4: the numbers yardist wise probably doesn't go up, do you ever,
Speaker 4: because we.
Speaker 5: Know receivers are built different mentally, right, They're more flashy,
Speaker 5: they're more look at me.
Speaker 4: Okay, so there is let's let's let's let's put let's
Speaker 4: put that, Let's put that in this in this proper context.
Speaker 4: Let's put in this proper context. Yes, we have the
Speaker 4: diva mentality that don't stay when you're not the guy.
Speaker 4: When I was, when I was the starting receiver at
Speaker 4: the University of North Carolina, was a diva. I was
Speaker 4: a diva. You know why? I was the number one.
Speaker 4: I was the one that the ball was coming to.
Speaker 4: I was the one that they circled the I can
Speaker 4: be a diva. When I became a Dallas cowboy and
Speaker 4: I was just trying to make the team, Guess who
Speaker 4: wasn't a diva? Guess who just get in when you
Speaker 4: fit in? Guess who wanted to stay employed. So it
Speaker 4: wasn't all that diva nonsense. It wasn't that you the
Speaker 4: diva moniker and the diva title that don't sit with everybody.
Speaker 4: That ain't an everybody title that that is a that
Speaker 4: is relegated, separated, hung up for the guy CD can
Speaker 4: be the diva. Maybe George Pickens finds his way to
Speaker 4: be a divay, no damn diva, don't think being ain't
Speaker 4: no damn diva. Y'all better get it where y'all fit
Speaker 4: in the cropper and and the rest of y'all diva
Speaker 4: So that'll better be on the first bus y'all better
Speaker 4: be at the stadium first. Y'all better be on practice
Speaker 4: field first. Y'all better be first in, last out. Ain't
Speaker 4: no damn divas.
Speaker 5: That's exactly my question when you when you, I guess
Speaker 5: morph into you know, when do you how long does
Speaker 5: it take to set in? Because you always.
Speaker 12: If you're if you have you know, I mean, but
Speaker 12: it's a little different question that at this level everybody's
Speaker 12: at alpha, right you you you were an.
Speaker 5: Alpha getting different alpha, different levels of different When do
Speaker 5: you when do you get comfortable with being a number three?
Speaker 5: Because you always want to be one better than what
Speaker 5: you are. Even when you're number one, you want to
Speaker 5: be the number one and number one.
Speaker 4: You know, do you ever get.
Speaker 5: Comfortable mentally to be like, you know what, I'm a
Speaker 5: number three, this is what I am and I'm gonna
Speaker 5: do my best, or you always like I'm gonna keep
Speaker 5: working until I'm number two?
Speaker 4: Or is it just everybody's different, if there is real like,
Speaker 4: let's see it any position, let's just chose, let's let's
Speaker 4: use Gelingtober for that, because he was topic of discussion.
Speaker 4: Right when you looked around and you were there was
Speaker 4: there were there were chances. Right when you get drafted,
Speaker 4: you look around the room and you're going, hey, they're
Speaker 4: a CD and a bunch of other guys that are
Speaker 4: like me. So my spirits are high, right, like I
Speaker 4: have a chance. And then you go out there and
Speaker 4: you're playing a little bit and you're going a tall task.
Speaker 4: This ain't this, This ain't this easy, This ain't Alabama stake,
Speaker 4: This ain't ain't what I thought it was right, and
Speaker 4: then just kind of you know, you're working a little
Speaker 4: hard and you get with Brandon Cooks and you see
Speaker 4: some other guys and you're saying, okay, all right, let's
Speaker 4: let's let's shoot at this thing again. There you go,
Speaker 4: boy at eighty eight. Special can't do things that he does.
Speaker 4: You know, we ran the same out route. Mine ended
Speaker 4: of the twelve yard catch. He broke two tackles for
Speaker 4: eighty yard touchdown. Consistently looked different. And then you start
Speaker 4: looking around and you go, my brother, George Pickles, huh,
Speaker 4: all right, well, I bet that's because number three spot
Speaker 4: I better beat out the rest of these babies. I
Speaker 4: better be the outphua of the number threes. That's where
Speaker 4: I better be. But you look around the room and
Speaker 4: you start saying, and then you also not that you
Speaker 4: pocket watch. But you start understanding the business, and you're going,
Speaker 4: he makes thirty, Yeah, he's cheaper than me. And then
Speaker 4: he made thirty unless extra specialty. Unless I set myself
Speaker 4: on fire and not get burned. If we're close to even,
Speaker 4: I'm gone. We ain't even close. That that number takes
Speaker 4: us out of the stratosphere. We ain't the clean close.
Speaker 4: Let me start looking at somebody I'm more comparable to.
Speaker 4: Now now I'm fending off the rest of these jokers
Speaker 4: because I ain't getting there no more.
Speaker 5: But you know, like that's what I'm I guess. My
Speaker 5: question is do you you you know?
Speaker 6: You know, you know, you know you know, And brock Coffin,
Speaker 6: it don't take long.
Speaker 4: Brock Coffin knows you. You had.
Speaker 6: You a year the thing that that that comes reality.
Speaker 4: Really I watched I would say about about a year
Speaker 4: and a half.
Speaker 6: I watched receivers.
Speaker 2: Mike came in as the number one pick, and I
Speaker 2: remember his growth. You knew it was something about Mike's
Speaker 2: and he was special because when he came in, I
Speaker 2: don't know who the receivers was, Mike like, throw me
Speaker 2: the ball. So evidently Mike saw what was out there
Speaker 2: and knew now it's time for the coaches to catch
Speaker 2: up and for Troy to catch up. So when Trus said, okay,
Speaker 2: he throwing the ball and the next thing you know,
Speaker 2: you see him and Mike working after practice. So now
Speaker 2: Mike starting to get eighty percent of all the balls
Speaker 2: or the position he played, trove was looked at him first,
Speaker 2: see what his coverage is, and so it didn't take
Speaker 2: Mike long. That may it took a year and a
Speaker 2: half for him to beat Mike or Irving, but it
Speaker 2: did not take him long. Well, it took Alvin Hopper
Speaker 2: even to be the number two guy. It took him
Speaker 2: a year to just feel his way through the league,
Speaker 2: because not only are you looking at the guy that's
Speaker 2: your number one, you're looking at who is covering you
Speaker 2: each game, and each team do it different. Some people
Speaker 2: will double that two and some people would will double
Speaker 2: that one. It just depends on what they think is
Speaker 2: best in their scheme. So that's why it may take
Speaker 2: a little longer, because you gonna face weekend and we
Speaker 2: got better players, you know, so some guys can get
Speaker 2: it quick.
Speaker 6: Some guys that take a minute.
Speaker 4: When I came into the league, my first team in
Speaker 4: Cincinnati Bengals, it took me a training camp to realize.
Speaker 4: I saw Chad Johnson run around. I tried to run
Speaker 4: around like he ran around, almost lost my leg. I said, oh,
Speaker 4: that's different. How he turned like that full speed. And
Speaker 4: you realize at that time why he makes eight million
Speaker 4: dollars a year. This is this is why who he is.
Speaker 4: And then you start looking around and you start you know,
Speaker 4: I get here and you look at a kid like
Speaker 4: this who don't even didn't even tie his shoes sometimes
Speaker 4: to go out there and practice with cleats ontied. Is
Speaker 4: there a difference when you're you know, your.
Speaker 5: Whole life has been about football or sports, right, and
Speaker 5: you you've done it on the basketball field, in the
Speaker 5: football basketball court, football field. When you watch it on TV,
Speaker 5: it's like, wow, that's special, But I.
Speaker 4: Can do that.
Speaker 5: And then when you is it different when you're there
Speaker 5: in person and you physically see it, Like so coming
Speaker 5: out of coming out of North Carolina and college, it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I can do that, maybe not at the highest level,
Speaker 5: but I can do that. And then you get there
Speaker 5: in person, is it like oh.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is different because what you see because what
Speaker 2: you see TV is two seconds slower than real life.
Speaker 2: That's what hurts a lot of kids. They mamas and
Speaker 2: they dads.
Speaker 6: And see that son, see that.
Speaker 2: Even when you're watching a videos about to see that sun,
Speaker 2: you can do that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're doing that on kids.
Speaker 2: You twice as fast. But real life brings you to
Speaker 2: real life, to reality real life.
Speaker 6: Like when I watch the.
Speaker 2: Hockey game on TV, I'm like them good dudes, al right,
Speaker 2: And then when I watch the hockey game live, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I couldn't do this In the many years you real life,
Speaker 2: when people can lay hands on you real life, it's
Speaker 2: a different story.
Speaker 6: And I tell people that you.
Speaker 4: Look out there like that's why I always get to
Speaker 4: like the tape argument fight type thing. People are like, oh,
Speaker 4: pause it look he could have done that right there.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, come on, hold on, he could have
Speaker 4: done what you see that snarling three hundred pounds in
Speaker 4: front of him. He didn't got hit by him three
Speaker 4: times already today. And you you're gonna send me a
Speaker 4: still shot about man, get out of my face because
Speaker 4: you don't understand. Like, I don't know how to explain it,
Speaker 4: but when you see people who are at sizes you
Speaker 4: like them, big black man do things that are at
Speaker 4: a rate that they're not that humans should not be doing.
Speaker 4: To that, you just sit back and you go. You
Speaker 4: you're in awe, and to be in awe and be
Speaker 4: in the group is all you need to know, Like
Speaker 4: to to Kurt, you're a baseball guy, to watch baseball legends,
Speaker 4: hall of famers, be in awe of Barry Bond's batting.
Speaker 4: Wait a second, you you're a Hall of famer and
Speaker 4: you sit there in awe of another dude. That tells
Speaker 4: me all I need to know about what that dude was.
Speaker 4: If the Hall of Famer is like, let me tell
Speaker 4: you something, that dude at the plate unreal and he's
Speaker 4: on and that the one speaking is of another world,
Speaker 4: that's when you know, like, that's when you're in the
Speaker 4: number and you're looking at the other numbers and you're going,
Speaker 4: that's unreal and I'm in the number. I'm up the
Speaker 4: one percent.
Speaker 5: I just wondered if it if it translates for athletes
Speaker 5: watching TV, it's like, oh, yeah, he's good, But then
Speaker 5: you get in person and it's like, oh wow, that's yeah.
Speaker 4: You can watch it on film, and then yes, in
Speaker 4: a person, it's like like you can watch it on filming.
Speaker 4: And then until you have Reggie White put his hands
Speaker 4: on you, you don't really understand how strong he is thrown brown,
Speaker 4: you know, until you until you have to deal with
Speaker 4: that type of yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yo, Okay, he
Speaker 4: clocked you upside the head. You go, hold on. That
Speaker 4: wasn't you know.
Speaker 2: It's so funny and it just goes to show you
Speaker 2: that when Michael Jordan did his documentary, you know, you
Speaker 2: had all of these people good batter and different saying things.
Speaker 2: Even players but one thing that was resting assure that
Speaker 2: one night when that first episode.
Speaker 6: Came on the world everybody watching.
Speaker 2: That's the Hall of Famous, non hall of famers, the
Speaker 2: Warner Bees, the Cooler Bees, the should have Beens. And
Speaker 2: I remember this dude, how good he was. Everybody was watching.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's what Jess is talking about. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what he's when you see real live If you
Speaker 2: ever saw Jordan play real live basketball all Lebron in
Speaker 2: his youthful days, just when they was real, when they
Speaker 2: was pay you know, pay to go see him, and
Speaker 2: you'll realize, like, this is different. So when you come
Speaker 2: out of college and even though it's the kid, the
Speaker 2: kid that do supposed to be a great kid.
Speaker 6: When he gets to the league, he gonna see what
Speaker 6: everybody else saw. These things up here is real.
Speaker 4: Everybody like me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what can I separate myself?
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we got to get out of here.
Speaker 5: We're late, Nate, I'm gonna save your question for next week.
Speaker 2: Okay, if we're all here, and that's what we're coming
Speaker 2: to the end of this thing, right, this one a
Speaker 2: week isn't aren't we?
Speaker 4: Chris? A couple more weeks.
Speaker 6: Finale.
Speaker 2: Train to get right around the corner, and then we
Speaker 2: get to see these guys for real.
Speaker 6: I really got the rams. I'm an open camp.
Speaker 2: We'll get to see a real real for real all right,
Speaker 2: fellas can go a little bit fun.
Speaker 5: Yes see, Nate hurt. We all got back together again. Chris,
Speaker 5: thanks for keeping us on the air. Josh, thanks for
Speaker 5: keeping him saving Let me come. We will be back
Speaker 5: next week, same time, same place.
Speaker 6: We all.
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