WEBVTT - Case #25: Trent (Pt. 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Really previously on symptomatic. Trent Fielder, a successful and vibrant

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<v Speaker 1>insurance assessor, suddenly faced a life threatening battle out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>He began losing feeling in his arms and legs. The

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<v Speaker 1>condition spread quickly, leaving him wheelchair bound with no sensation

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<v Speaker 1>below the waist. Things worsened rapidly when his lungs began

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<v Speaker 1>to fail, landing him in the ICU with a daunting diagnosis,

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<v Speaker 1>gyond Beret syndrome GBS, an autoimmune disorder that attacks the

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<v Speaker 1>nervous system.

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<v Speaker 2>I was overwhelmed. I could not get my heart to

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<v Speaker 2>slow down. The only things that I could think about

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<v Speaker 2>were the negative things. My focus was on what I lost.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was am I going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to what I used to do? Not

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<v Speaker 2>like this? But it was very much wrapped up in

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<v Speaker 2>the I can't do this anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>They said that this was progressive and that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>going to make it. How do you process that?

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<v Speaker 1>Even though Trent stabilized enough to return home to his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole and their young twins, the doctors couldn't restore much

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<v Speaker 1>of the mobility or feeling he'd lost overnight, despite trying

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<v Speaker 1>every treatment protocol. Then out of nowhere, another flare struck,

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<v Speaker 1>landing him back in the er fighting for his life.

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<v Speaker 2>The pain was immense. The spasticity was just out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>The spasitos were so bad. At some point in my

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<v Speaker 2>neck my neck would try to snap itself. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>keep it in control. My jaw would pop. It was

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<v Speaker 2>very painful. So as the pain continued, the depression kicks in.

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<v Speaker 2>The beer kicks in.

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<v Speaker 1>With his symptoms lingering longer than expected, Trent received a

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<v Speaker 1>new diagnosis, Chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy CIDP, a progressive autoimmune

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<v Speaker 1>disease causing long term muscle weakness and fatigue. After exhausting

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<v Speaker 1>treatment options with little improvement to his mobility, Trent made

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<v Speaker 1>the tough decision to try a suggested spinal surgery, but

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately the outcomes were more devastating than hopeful.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the surgery there were some decisions made by

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<v Speaker 2>the surgeon that went against protocol for what you would

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<v Speaker 2>do with that implant, and he ended up cutting into

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<v Speaker 2>my t ten vertebra.

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<v Speaker 1>How terrifying would it be to fight an unknown enemy,

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<v Speaker 1>one you didn't recognize and didn't see coming what if

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<v Speaker 1>that enemy was coming from within a disease that even

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<v Speaker 1>doctors couldn't identify. Nearly half of all Americans suffered from

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<v Speaker 1>some chronic illness, and many struggle for an accurate diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 1>These are their stories, and Lauren write the CHECKO and

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<v Speaker 1>this is symptomatic. Before we pick up with Trent's story,

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<v Speaker 1>a quick warning. This episode mentions thoughts of suicide. Please

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<v Speaker 1>proceed with care. Two years after Trent's symptoms first began,

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<v Speaker 1>he was dealing with the aftermath of a failed spinal

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<v Speaker 1>surgery meant to be a last ditch effort to restore

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<v Speaker 1>some mobility. Through the darkest moments, Trent drew strength from

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<v Speaker 1>his family, including his loyal service dog, Gunner, who never

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<v Speaker 1>left his side. With his t ten vertebrae severed, he

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<v Speaker 1>faced the risk of being paralyzed from the waist down forever.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until January twenty third, two thousand four where

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<v Speaker 2>I realized just how bad of a mistake he had made.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was when I ended up having two embolisms

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<v Speaker 2>back to back. And I was at home at the

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<v Speaker 2>time for the first one at least, but I realized

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<v Speaker 2>at the time I had a full breath in, and

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<v Speaker 2>with that full breath, I heard a calm, very peaceful

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<v Speaker 2>voice that said not yet. And immediately I became aware

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<v Speaker 2>of the fact that, Okay, I'm about to go through something,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not going to do it alone, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had a full breath then, and I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that that was my last breath. I've had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to people about what that last breath looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like seeing the world through a stained

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<v Speaker 2>glass window. It was absolutely remarkable. And when Nicole again

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole is stunningly gorgeous, but when she came in the

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<v Speaker 2>room for me to show her my phone, she was listening.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It was kind of like seeing the ocean

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<v Speaker 2>off the sunrise. And so Nicole came in and I

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<v Speaker 2>had my phone and I'd put on there I cannot breathe,

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<v Speaker 2>Please stay call nine one one. She did two of

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<v Speaker 2>the three, the staying calm parts. She can't of skipped

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<v Speaker 2>that part. She went into full action. We had just

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<v Speaker 2>put the babies to bed, so she called nine one one.

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<v Speaker 3>I got like really nervous, and thank god, the ambulance

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<v Speaker 3>had like a bogus phone call kind of nearby, because

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<v Speaker 3>they were at the house fairly quickly, and they got.

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<v Speaker 2>To us within two minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow that I mean that in the voice that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like divine intervention.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there were a lot of things that had to

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<v Speaker 2>happen and they can't all be circumstanced and for me

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to calmly get through that time. So

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<v Speaker 2>they got there right as I was finishing that last breath.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave me a shot of something in my neck

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<v Speaker 2>and then started taking me to the hospital. And at

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<v Speaker 2>that point Nicole broken down. So she came over to

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<v Speaker 2>the aim and you know, she sees tubes and everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was more than she had ever seen before.

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<v Speaker 2>But I reached over and grabbed her hand and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going anywhere. It's going to be okay. I

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<v Speaker 2>was told it was going to be okay, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be okay. Then I got to the hospital and

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<v Speaker 2>the second one happened, and you flatlined a flat line,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wasn't gone very long.

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<v Speaker 1>Due to its inflammatory nature and the resulting lack of mobility,

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<v Speaker 1>CIDP presents a higher risk for blood clotting issues like embolisms.

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<v Speaker 1>After everything Trent had been through. He and his family

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<v Speaker 1>faced his most severe reaction yet, pushing him to the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of death.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I woke up being angry. I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>know what I was angry at, but I wasn't angry

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<v Speaker 2>because of the condition. I wasn't angry at a doctor

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<v Speaker 2>or anything in particular. They put me in the ICU

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<v Speaker 2>and I was in there for a lot long time.

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<v Speaker 2>This is probably a few days into it. I was

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<v Speaker 2>down to about eighteen percent of my lungs. I could

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<v Speaker 2>really just barely breathe on my own.

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<v Speaker 3>That was kind of scary, and it's kind of like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a lung scamp function I can put two

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<v Speaker 3>or two together. That means you can't breathe, and then

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<v Speaker 3>if you can't breathe, you're not going to be living.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were these three doctors that came in. They

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<v Speaker 2>are the ones that looked me over while I was

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<v Speaker 2>in there, and they sat down and they said they

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<v Speaker 2>needed to talk to me, and you know, that's never

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<v Speaker 2>a good starting point to a conversation when it's a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>And they said, there's not anything more that we can

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<v Speaker 2>do for you. So there's nothing more we can do

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<v Speaker 2>to reverse the effects, sort of make this better. So

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<v Speaker 2>they had come to a conclusion that they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to send me home and that they would set me

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<v Speaker 2>up on hospice at home.

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<v Speaker 3>His doctors were all telling him that he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to die. What kind of patient wants to hear that?

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy and nobody can predict the future, and he

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I have too much to live for. He's

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<v Speaker 3>just like, get on board or get out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Being sent home for hospice, Trent refused to accept that

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<v Speaker 1>this was the end of his fate. However, having deteriorated

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<v Speaker 1>so much physically, proving the doctor's wrong would not come

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<v Speaker 1>without its challenges. So on top of all the health issues,

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<v Speaker 1>what was your greatest fear at that point?

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<v Speaker 3>That he would have killed himself and then I would

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<v Speaker 3>like walk into a body in blood on the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>That crazy, but yeah, I've thought of that once and twice.

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<v Speaker 2>My doctor was right. I was not prepared for the

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<v Speaker 2>flood of emotions, and you know, it was like seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the events that had happened to me, like America around

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<v Speaker 2>It was just and I couldn't make it stop. And

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<v Speaker 2>so there were times when the emotions were really too

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelming and there was one particular time where I'd considered

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<v Speaker 2>an almost carried out, taking my own life back home.

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<v Speaker 1>Trent sank into the depths of his desperation, but it

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<v Speaker 1>would be his faithful service dog, Gunner, who would prove

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a reason for hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I planned it enough out where no family was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be around, nobody was going to be around me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be able to just cut the story short. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a gun that was next to me and

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<v Speaker 2>a bag, and I reached over to grab the gun

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<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't there anymore. And I looked back and

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<v Speaker 2>Gunner had He had jumped up on the bed where

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't hear him, and he had crawled to it

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<v Speaker 2>and took it away. And I looked right at him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had it in his mouth. There was no

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<v Speaker 2>risk or anything to him, but he never lost eye

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<v Speaker 2>contact with me. He constantly looked at me while he

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<v Speaker 2>had this in there. His tail was not wagging. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a game to him. He knew that this didn't fit.

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<v Speaker 2>So I tried to reach back further for him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he took steps back. And I tried to reach further back,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd take steps back but never lost that contact.

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<v Speaker 2>He just kept backing up. And I eventually reached a

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<v Speaker 2>point where I was just exhausted mentally and physically, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just fell down to the ground. And at that

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<v Speaker 2>point I was crying, and he knew that that was

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<v Speaker 2>what needed to happen, and he came up to me

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<v Speaker 2>and nestled up against me, and he never left me.

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<v Speaker 2>They just stayed right there.

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<v Speaker 1>What a beautiful story. Trend's condition had reached its lowest point,

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<v Speaker 1>with his lung capacity now at life threatening levels and

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<v Speaker 1>no treatment options left to counter the degeneration. He knew

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<v Speaker 1>he needed a fresh perspective from a new medical team.

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<v Speaker 1>If things were going to get better, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>up to him to dig deep and find a strength

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<v Speaker 1>he hadn't found before.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the anger of allowing a disease to

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<v Speaker 2>take control of my mindset, to take control of my heart,

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<v Speaker 2>my future as a husband, as a father, as a

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<v Speaker 2>friend of a son, that was where I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I've allowed it to control me for too long, and

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<v Speaker 2>so that has to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back with Symptomatic, a Medical Mystery Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Symptomatic a Medical Mystery Podcast. Trent had

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<v Speaker 1>followed all the doctor's orders, trying every possible medicine and

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<v Speaker 1>physical therapy approach, but only seeing temporary relief and minor

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<v Speaker 1>recovery from his pain and partial paralysis. After a failed

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<v Speaker 1>spinal surgery and two embolisms that caused him to flatline,

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<v Speaker 1>Trent still refused to accept defeat and was determined to

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<v Speaker 1>find a path to recovery. This turning point started with

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<v Speaker 1>the guidance and support of his mother's primary care physician,

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<v Speaker 1>who helped carve out a possible treatment plan, paving the

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<v Speaker 1>way for a different approach to physical therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>She is an incredible woman. She is an amazing heart,

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<v Speaker 2>a giving person. She has gone far and above what

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<v Speaker 2>I thought any other doctor would do to help me.

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<v Speaker 2>She's coordinated my care. You know, she's kept the other

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<v Speaker 2>doctors honest, I guess, is what I would say. So

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<v Speaker 2>she's kept him in line to make sure that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>is talking and on the same page about my care.

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<v Speaker 2>When you think of an advocate patient advocate, she is

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely at the top of the list of the best

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<v Speaker 2>ones out there, and that never so that's exactly who

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<v Speaker 2>she is and who she'll always be. It is just

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<v Speaker 2>it's just her heart.

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<v Speaker 1>First on Trend's list was rebuilding his lung capacity. To

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<v Speaker 1>do that, he turned to an unexpected life saving tool music.

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<v Speaker 1>It helped him retrain his lungs and find his breathing rhythm.

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<v Speaker 1>It also gave him a way to block out everything

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<v Speaker 1>else going on around him.

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<v Speaker 2>Music had always been very important to me and helped

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<v Speaker 2>me get through some difficult times in my life. And

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<v Speaker 2>I realized that I can use that music to retrain

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<v Speaker 2>my lungs on a gradual basis to make them stronger.

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<v Speaker 1>So you decided, I'm not accepting this and that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the way it's going to be. I'm going to train

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<v Speaker 1>myself to breathe again. I'm going to train myself period.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does that process look like and what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of advances do you start seeing?

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<v Speaker 2>As I grew stronger in that, I was developing these

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<v Speaker 2>kind of mental programming to find out the best ways

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<v Speaker 2>to rehabilitate what I could rehabilitate my side, what I

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<v Speaker 2>had control over, whether I thought about it at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was empowering myself to improve and take control again

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<v Speaker 2>of the situation that was completely spiraling out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>So I focused on that. So the pain is still

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<v Speaker 2>there by using the music to guide my way through

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<v Speaker 2>the pain, to breathe and to cope and function at

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<v Speaker 2>a higher level.

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<v Speaker 1>Trent worked diligently to increase his lung capacity to thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one percent, a significant step forward, but he didn't stop there.

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<v Speaker 1>He was already focusing on his next physical therapy goal,

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<v Speaker 1>setting the bar even higher. That mindset of always pushing

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<v Speaker 1>for more has been a constant in his recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>Decision that I wanted to go beyond just functioning. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to excel and how am I going to do

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<v Speaker 2>that with a body that's attacking itself. I'm fortunate that

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<v Speaker 2>I follow kind of both sides of the traditional medicine

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<v Speaker 2>has been very supportive, but I push it to its

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<v Speaker 2>limits with what I do. Because I decided to go

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<v Speaker 2>through a program which is the Adaptive Training Foundation, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was invited to be a part of their class

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<v Speaker 2>with a number of people that are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>wounded vets and first responders, people that have had traumatic

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<v Speaker 2>injuries that they've gone through or been born with certain conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was such an incredible blessing to be given

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<v Speaker 2>that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>After he went to ATF, because you know, he had

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<v Speaker 3>friends but he didn't really have like a good set

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<v Speaker 3>of people around him and stuff, and so he calls

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<v Speaker 3>them his tribe and they have like a whole big

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<v Speaker 3>tribe mentality of this is your people, we got your back,

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<v Speaker 3>and so that was really the turning point for him.

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<v Speaker 1>At the Adoptive Training Foundation or atf Trent found a

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<v Speaker 1>supportive community of people facing similar challenges and working through

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<v Speaker 1>their own recoveries. It was there he met his new trainer,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Fitzmorris, who would play a crucial role in helping

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<v Speaker 1>him take the next steps in his recovery.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of doctors, they are dealers of reality and

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<v Speaker 4>what science has shown them, our studies have shown them,

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<v Speaker 4>and they just rely on those soul things. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think that doctors do not want to be responsible for

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<v Speaker 4>if they were to say, hey, yes you'll walk again,

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<v Speaker 4>or hey, yes you're going to get this back and

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to be able to do these things in life,

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<v Speaker 4>because I don't think they want to over promise things

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<v Speaker 4>to them, you know. I think they want to be

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<v Speaker 4>as real as possible, which I think it can work

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<v Speaker 4>both ways, right, So they need to face the reality

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<v Speaker 4>and really looking in the eye and say this is

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<v Speaker 4>my truth right now. But my thing is that your

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<v Speaker 4>truth in a moment, maybe at that time, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>not your truth for your entire future. You're going to

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<v Speaker 4>create your own path, You're going to create your own truth.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to create your own destiny with your own

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<v Speaker 4>unique abilities.

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<v Speaker 2>We all meet people that are able to bring things

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<v Speaker 2>out in us and help show things in us that

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<v Speaker 2>make us stronger. Jean, he has that ability to bring

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<v Speaker 2>things out on you in the moment when you need

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<v Speaker 2>it most, when you're about ready to quit, right when

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<v Speaker 2>you're exhausted and think you can't do one more thing,

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<v Speaker 2>Sean finds a way to get under your skin so

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<v Speaker 2>that you're going to persevere through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Still paralyzed from the waist down, Trent had been searching

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<v Speaker 1>for someone to help him believe there was more to

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<v Speaker 1>his life and mobility than what he'd come to accept

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<v Speaker 1>over the past few years. Sean stepped in and began

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<v Speaker 1>showing him the possibilities, but they both knew they had

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<v Speaker 1>to start with the small things first. Did he have

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<v Speaker 1>any specific goal or did you you have an initial

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<v Speaker 1>goal for him when you first started to work together.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, his goal he wanted to walk.

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<v Speaker 4>He had had some sea braces made that provided like

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<v Speaker 4>an electrical impulse when he walked, to get that feedback

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<v Speaker 4>through his legs. But he wanted to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>walk without the braces. And the thing is with the

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<v Speaker 4>braces too, it creates atrophies. So then those muscles really

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<v Speaker 4>aren't firing on their own. You know, they've got so

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<v Speaker 4>much stability and support from the braces that they can't

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<v Speaker 4>do the job they need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So the brace has become a crutch.

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<v Speaker 4>Literally, they become a crutch.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like a baby deer, but even like a

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<v Speaker 4>baby deer in a frozen pond, and we stayed very

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<v Speaker 4>very close to him. He was just the fear of following.

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<v Speaker 4>His legs were super atropheed but also super weak. They

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<v Speaker 4>weren't stable. But we started with foundational movements, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of things. You know, you can't just go right from

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<v Speaker 4>being in a wheelchair to now, let's stand up and walk.

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<v Speaker 4>There's so many more things we had to work on,

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<v Speaker 4>just ground based stuff, you know, getting them all fours,

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<v Speaker 4>getting even quadruped, working on his core, working on a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the small things, working on crawling, working on balance.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of times people get so focused on the

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<v Speaker 4>end goal, and they get frustrated with the small things

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<v Speaker 4>we need to do along the way to get them there.

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<v Speaker 1>More than five years after his sudden paralysis, Trent finally

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<v Speaker 1>found a like minded community and an approach that began

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<v Speaker 1>to show real progress. By shifting his mindset beyond his

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<v Speaker 1>original prognosis and finding the right support system to guide

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<v Speaker 1>his training, he was determined to meet his goal of

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<v Speaker 1>walking again.

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<v Speaker 2>We figured out how to get me up on my

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<v Speaker 2>feet and doing it very unconventionally with golf balls, PBC,

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<v Speaker 2>pipe and cape. We kind of out scienced the science

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<v Speaker 2>because I couldn't feel my legs. It's like, okay, well

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<v Speaker 2>your legs are basically shock ofs orbers for your spine,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I needed to find a way to take

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<v Speaker 2>how the shot dissipates, and I needed not to dissipate.

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to go up to my hips where I

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<v Speaker 2>could feel. We're just trapping all this stuff together. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of a guyver for rehabilitation.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're kind of like bracing him and then he

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<v Speaker 3>asks like crutches, and I'm just walking home, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>amazed that he's using the crutches. He's upright, he's walking forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I was taking not big steps, smaller steps, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was making sure that my feet would pound on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground as best I could. But I could feel my hips.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a pattern, and I could follow. And I

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<v Speaker 2>reached the end of the street and then turned around

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<v Speaker 2>and Fitz was there, and Ari was one of my

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<v Speaker 2>other trainers. Since she was there, I can't hear anything

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<v Speaker 2>that they're saying because I have the headphones on and

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<v Speaker 2>the music going. I have no concept of how loud

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<v Speaker 2>I am. And as we start going back, I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, you know what, I'm gonna fall. I'm gonna fall.

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<v Speaker 2>So I dropped one of.

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<v Speaker 3>The crutches and then he like, he goes ahead and

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<v Speaker 3>he drops the other crutch and just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 3>what is this guy doing?

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<v Speaker 2>So again, I can't feel my legs. I've got no

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<v Speaker 2>appropriate perception, so I have to look down. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to look at my legs, and that's what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And there, I guess it is screaming at me essentially

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<v Speaker 2>in the background, and I can't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he pushes his trainers away and then he

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<v Speaker 3>freaking takes steps and walks towards me and gives me

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<v Speaker 3>a great big hug. You know, Like I said, he

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<v Speaker 3>is one determined son of a gun. Do you tell

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<v Speaker 3>him now, He's going to be like, oh yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>just wait.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it was probably another twelve or thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>steps before I realized and I looked at him. Shawn's

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<v Speaker 2>just right there.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, it's kind of like forced up when

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<v Speaker 4>he starts running. His braces are flat off.

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<v Speaker 2>And he just said, you're doing it, man, You're doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're doing it. And I read his lips and I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at it and I just fell apart. I just collapsed,

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<v Speaker 2>and he caught me and I'd done it, and there

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<v Speaker 2>were people well to celebrate the whole thing. I just cried.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a very emotional moment looking on and it's

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<v Speaker 4>still you get the happy tears going when you see it.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a powerful moment and it's just a huge

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<v Speaker 4>milestone for him to reach on that day.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, five years, ten months, twenty five days, and

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<v Speaker 2>five and a half hours, I'm never going to forget

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<v Speaker 2>that minute.

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<v Speaker 1>You talked about he had lost his purpose for a

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, and you'd said that life for a

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<v Speaker 1>while was kind of like a shit show, and so

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<v Speaker 1>would you say that once he found atf he found

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<v Speaker 1>a new purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think he was surrounded by a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people who encouraged him. And it's so easy to

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<v Speaker 3>say you can't do this, or you won't do this,

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<v Speaker 3>or this is never going to happen, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you hear it so often, even if it's not

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<v Speaker 3>the truth, that becomes the truth. So when you have

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 3>people speaking positivity into your life, saying, hey, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>matter X, Y or Z, you can do this, you

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<v Speaker 3>can fight, you can push.

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<v Speaker 5>So I just think that was just a really.

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<v Speaker 3>Good group of people to continually speak positivity and to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of get him in the right mindset to make

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<v Speaker 3>positive changes and believe in himself and keep on going

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<v Speaker 3>from there.

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<v Speaker 1>In typical Trent fashion, just walking wasn't enough. With a

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<v Speaker 1>renewed sense of hope, he set his sights on an

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<v Speaker 1>even bigger goal, completing a half iron Man. While his

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<v Speaker 1>training team suggested waiting twelve to eighteen months, Trent had

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<v Speaker 1>other plans. He signed up for the first race he

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<v Speaker 1>could find just a few months away. So, for those

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<v Speaker 1>not familiar, tell me what a half iron man intail?

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<v Speaker 2>Else, half iron man is a seventy point three mile distance,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one point two miles swim, it's a fifty

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<v Speaker 2>six mile bike, and then a thirteen point one mile run,

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<v Speaker 2>or in my case at the time, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>racing chair. That makes up for the fact because I

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 2>couldn't run, and I did pretty well in the swim.

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<v Speaker 2>On the bike, I was seventeen miles in. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting picture contrast at miles sixteen, I'm like on

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<v Speaker 2>top of the world. Mile seventeen you could see it

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<v Speaker 2>runt in my face because I had actually torn both

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<v Speaker 2>my rotator cuffs and.

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<v Speaker 1>Biceps before you even get to the running chair.

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<v Speaker 2>Right before I give the runna chair, before I was

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<v Speaker 2>even a third of the way through the bike.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you keep going?

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the most important things of life,

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, certainly, but in every case, is to

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<v Speaker 2>know your why. And when you know your why in life,

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<v Speaker 2>then you really become a force of nature. You can

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<v Speaker 2>be unstoppable. And I knew why I was there. There

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 2>was no way that I could quit, no matter how

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<v Speaker 2>much it hurt, because the bike is a hand cycle,

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 2>so I'm using my arms the whole time. But I

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 2>had to be able to keep going because I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing it for Hope. I made it to the very end,

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<v Speaker 2>about point two miles out, and that was when I

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<v Speaker 2>felt the calling. And it was when I heard the

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.639
<v Speaker 2>voice was the rise and walk. I'm like, oh, I

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, are you sure, God, because I could just

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<v Speaker 2>coast him. But I ended up getting up. I gets

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<v Speaker 2>some help and I was able to not just walk

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<v Speaker 2>across the finish line. I had a small jog.

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<v Speaker 3>He said he heard God tell him get up, and

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<v Speaker 3>so he physically got up out of that thing, and

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<v Speaker 3>then he ended up walking and then running the last

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<v Speaker 3>like tenth of a mile.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did it. I had my headphones on, I

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<v Speaker 2>was looking straight down the whole time. I collapsed as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as I got across the finish.

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<v Speaker 5>Line, and everybody was like what this paralyzed too.

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<v Speaker 3>Just got up and ran across the finish line and

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<v Speaker 3>my dad caught him and our friend Adam, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>And then in the video and Abia's like, go.

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<v Speaker 3>Daddy go, go Daddy go, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It started something. People were videoing it and posting it

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 2>and sharing it because they just couldn't believe what they

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>were seeing. And probably about thirty five forty minutes from

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<v Speaker 2>the time I got my medal to getting to the car.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time I got to the car, I had

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<v Speaker 2>almost eleven hundred messages on Facebook, and I had probably

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<v Speaker 2>about half that in friend requests, and the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>them being vets and first responders and people just needing hope.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just continued to grow. And that's how I

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<v Speaker 2>spent the last years doing what I'm doing, never doing

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<v Speaker 2>it for myself. This can't ever be about me. If

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<v Speaker 2>it is, i'd find a reason to quit. And the

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<v Speaker 2>mission has always been hope. So I've done half iron Man,

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<v Speaker 2>iron Man, I've done USA Triathlon, I've won national championships

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<v Speaker 2>that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Trent has since completed multiple endurance events, including representing Team

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<v Speaker 1>USA as the only para athlete in last Summer's Triathlon

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<v Speaker 1>World Championships in Australia. He doesn't push himself for accolades

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<v Speaker 1>or medals which he gives away to others. He does

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<v Speaker 1>it to physically pass on his message of hope wherever

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<v Speaker 1>he goes. His loving kids, Logan and Nevayah understand this

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<v Speaker 1>more than anyone. Why is your dad different from other dads?

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<v Speaker 6>He has been paralyzed from the waist down for a

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<v Speaker 6>long time, and that he wants to give people hope

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<v Speaker 6>and he runs iron Man's and gives his metals away

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<v Speaker 6>to other people.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you most proud of when you think of

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<v Speaker 1>your dad?

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<v Speaker 7>Probably him being able to do all these things while

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<v Speaker 7>having treatments and surgeries and taking care of stuff around

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<v Speaker 7>the house as well, like being able to do iron

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<v Speaker 7>mans and all these races, and like still being able

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<v Speaker 7>to be there for us, like as a dad. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>him being able to walk after people told him he

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<v Speaker 7>wouldn't be able to is like probably the most aspiring thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And Nicole, what do you hope people take away from

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<v Speaker 1>hearing Trent's story?

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<v Speaker 3>Hopelessness is such a disease, and it's kind of like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't have hope, what do you have? Whatever

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<v Speaker 3>the situation is, there's always light at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the tunnel, regardless of how dark it may seem.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if people can understand that, there are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be moments in our life that generate suffering, but the

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<v Speaker 2>question is what do we do with it? What are

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<v Speaker 2>we able to do with it? If it's too difficult

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<v Speaker 2>or it feels too overbearing to make a change in

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<v Speaker 2>our life, then do it a different way by making

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<v Speaker 2>a change in somebody else's, by impacting somebody else's. And

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<v Speaker 2>I could have never imagined the things that have occurred

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<v Speaker 2>with me. I mean, how can I imagine going from

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<v Speaker 2>the guy to flatlines on a table to a go

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<v Speaker 2>medalist in ten years? And people constantly they'll ask you, Rocker,

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<v Speaker 2>what did it feel like to hold the metal? I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>the metal is not the message. Help is the message.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what I would like people to

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<v Speaker 2>best understand, whether it's through this podcast or through my life,

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<v Speaker 2>is that no matter what, and no matter how long

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<v Speaker 2>of a road that it took, I chose hope, and

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<v Speaker 2>I choose that for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Always looking to pay it forward. Trent gave his gold

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<v Speaker 1>medal from this Summer's Triathlon World Championships to his wife, Nicole,

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<v Speaker 1>who has been his steadfast supporter from the beginning. You

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<v Speaker 1>can also be a part of his message of hope

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<v Speaker 1>and keep up with his next adventure at Trentfielder dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Special thanks to Chive Charities for the work they do

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<v Speaker 1>with veterans and those living with rare diseases and the

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<v Speaker 1>impact they've had on Trent's story. If you know someone

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<v Speaker 1>who might benefit from hearing his story or other stories

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<v Speaker 1>in this season of Symptomatic, we encourage you to share

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<v Speaker 1>it with them. And knowing that health struggles can often

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<v Speaker 1>be a marathon instead of a sprint, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to help others cross the finish line, consider paying it

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<v Speaker 1>forward like Trent has by donating to his nonprofit at

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<v Speaker 1>Trhope dot org. That's trii Hope dot org or Chive

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<v Speaker 1>Charities at chive Charities dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Trent Fielder. I was diagnosed with Giambore

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<v Speaker 2>syndrome in twenty eleven and in twenty twelve I was

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed with chronic inflammatory demolinating polyueropathy. I went from flat

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<v Speaker 2>lining on an emergency room table to eventually working to

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<v Speaker 2>train myself how to breathe, how to walk. Eventually took

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<v Speaker 2>on a mission to compete, and that competition led me

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<v Speaker 2>from flat line to finish line. And that finish line

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<v Speaker 2>was gold medal at the World Championships this past year

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<v Speaker 2>with Team USA.

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<v Speaker 1>As we close out the season of Symptomatic, we want

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<v Speaker 1>to take a moment and say thank you to all

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<v Speaker 1>our dedicated listeners. We've had the privilege of telling some

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<v Speaker 1>very special stories this year, from a doctor turned rare

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<v Speaker 1>disease patient and cutting edge cancer care to every story

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<v Speaker 1>of determination this season. It's been so heartwarming seeing your

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<v Speaker 1>reactions and humbling being able to share your stories. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a medical mystery, don't hesitate to reach

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