1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Do you have that couple 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: in your neighborhood, that sweet little old couple that everybody 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: adores because I did growing up, and it was our 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: next door neighbors, the Andersons, and then down the street 5 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: maybe four houses, the Wilson's, and the Andersons raised all 6 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: their children and they were like family to us. And 7 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: see them every single day, every single night. That's who 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: these people remind me of. And I am talking about 9 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: Read and Miriam Beck, ages seventy three and seventy two. 10 00:00:54,920 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: So what does the sweet couple next door have to 11 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: do with a double dismemberment? I mean, see, Grace, this 12 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here 13 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in Serious X one eleven. First of all, 14 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Dave mac. Miriam and 15 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: Reid Beck have been married for more than forty three years. 16 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: The couple set up a good life in Habington Township, Pennsylvania, 17 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: where Miriam works as a school nurse for more than 18 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: twenty years and Reid works as a training director for 19 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: the steam fitters local for twenty long enough to retire. 20 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: The Becks have two children. Their daughter works at a 21 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: Catholic school for special needs children. Their son Justin, has 22 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: a special relationship with his mother, communicating every day either 23 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: through tax or phone calls, and even after all these years, 24 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: the couples still have a loving relationship. Neighbors report the 25 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: Becks could be seen walking daily in the neighborhood hand 26 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: in hand. And that's just like Grady and Beautelli Anderson. 27 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: They'll live next to us whole life growing up. Every evening, 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: not when it was dall, but not when it was 29 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: still hot during the day in Middle Georgia, about when 30 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: everyone had come home from work and had had supper 31 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: and maybe we're settling into watch TV. They would go 32 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: out and go for a walk hand in hand every 33 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: single night, very slowly. I always noticed that they would 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: stop in like if someone had planted a new bush 35 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: in their yard, or you know, rate the leaves. They 36 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: would stand there for the longest time. I don't know 37 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: what they were saying to each other, but they would 38 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: stand their hand in hand and then look at the bush, 39 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: and then look at the roses, and then they keep walking. 40 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: And needless to say, they had a beautiful yard, perfect yard, 41 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: and so they would stop and look at everybody else's 42 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: yard and just the sweetest people you'd ever want to meet. 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: And that's what I think about these two. And when 44 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm reading about mister Beck, it reminds me my dad. 45 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: My dad was in the Union and worked on the railroad. 46 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: This guy was a training director for the steam fitters 47 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: local for twenty his whole life, it looks like because 48 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: he retired with them. Now back to how does this 49 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: fit in with a double dismemberment? Take a listen to this. 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: Neighbors become worried as newspapers begin piling up outside the 51 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: back home. Son Justin, who talked with his mother often 52 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: begins getting text messages, only then for over a week nothing. 53 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Justin Beck goes to the home. The lights are off, 54 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: but his parents' vehicles are parked outside. Inside, Beck finds 55 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: something resembling a corpse wrapped in a bloody sheet. Nine 56 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: one one is called and police find the backs dismembered bodies. Okay, 57 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: now that I've got to send my head all I 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: can think about our Grady and Beulah Anderson. And I 59 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: remember asking my mom I would be at Court TV, 60 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: or at hill In or at Fox Nation now and 61 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: I would call my parents on the way home from work. 62 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: And go, how are you what's going on? Have you 63 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: seen Grady and Bule out walking? And mother would say yes, 64 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: our daddy would say yes, and so they're fine. And 65 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: whenever would have a big meal, would always take food 66 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: over to Grady and Bule. And now I'm thinking about 67 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: this couple, and I'm also looking at their pictures because 68 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: they're really really a lovely couple, a double dismemberment. Let 69 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: me go to well, we've got an fabulous panel and 70 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: I'll get to them one by one, but first to 71 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert and founder of the Cold Case 72 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: Research Institute. She's also the host of a brand new 73 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: podcast which I love. Haven't been invited on yet, I 74 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: cause invitation in the mail. Snail Mail Zone seven is 75 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: her new hit podcast, and you can find her at 76 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: Coaldcase Crimes dot org. Cheryl, You've been with me many 77 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: times when we would be in courts or wherever we were, 78 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: and I would call home to check our mother and daddy. 79 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: And what's interesting, and I'm talking about PROBITI value. Something 80 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: that you can prove is that this son of the 81 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: two would always call in text every day, but his 82 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: main emo motor saw Brenda method of operation was to 83 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: call home and speak. And you know, that's just like 84 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: my mom and dad, because they weren't good at texting 85 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: at that point. My mom was great at it now, 86 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: but we would call and talk and when then suddenly 87 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: Mom no longer picking up with the phone, but it's 88 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: continuing to text. Right there. I smell a rat because 89 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: there's a change in routine, no question. You and I 90 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: talk all the time about patterns, patterns, patterns. Once that 91 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: pattern is broken, that could be the first red flag. 92 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: This crime took a lot of time to come mit, 93 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: but the cover up, the you know, the length of 94 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: time the person had from the time the crime ended 95 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: until when the sun really began to be concerned to 96 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: go over there. They had a week, Nancy, oh, a 97 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: week to stage and to do everything. You know, I 98 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our friend Maggie 99 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: can't at WPVI. How do you go from no calls 100 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: for service to probably one of the worst crimes that 101 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: we have seen. Avington Police got the call for a 102 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: wellness check at eleven sixty five Beverly Road, me by 103 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: the son of the couple who lived there. Responding officers 104 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: could not have imagined what was going on inside what 105 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: they discovered. You can't un see that a married couple 106 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: in their seventies, Reid and Miriam Tony Beck, were found 107 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: murdered and dismembered by a chainsaw. Murdered and dismembered by 108 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: a chainsaw. Has everybody and their cousin been watching Dexter 109 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: and they think is so easy to dismember a body? 110 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: I've gotten needs for you. It is not easy to 111 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: dismember a body, not at all. The Lord made us 112 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: pretty sturdy. And I'm gonna go to an expert. If 113 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: you thought I was gonna say Sheryl McCallum, no, she 114 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: has never dismembered a body, not that I know of anyway. 115 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: But I got a guy with me who can tell 116 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: you all about it. Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, 117 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and 118 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: Texas Christian University Medical School. That's not shabby, doctor Kendall Crowns. 119 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, could you tell me how difficult is 120 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: it to dismember saw a part a body? I mean, 121 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: think about it. Hold on, hold on, doctor crowns. Let's 122 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: go to Karen start. She says, little bitty, petite, beautiful, precious. 123 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: She looks like a doll that would just break apart. 124 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: Psychologist joring own psychologist as at matter of fact, joining 125 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan. She's a trauma and crime expert. 126 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: You can find her at Karen dot com. That's Karen 127 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: with a see. Karen, have you ever tried to saw 128 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: anything in half? Ever? I've never used as god, Nancy, 129 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: but I have to tell you anybody, and we both 130 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: know that anybody who would even attend to dismember a 131 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: body who is not a forensic expert trying to be 132 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: there as a medical examiner, anything like that, it takes gus. 133 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, can I ask you, Karen, start aside from 134 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: the moral and physical fortitude you believe it takes to 135 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: saw a body apart, even though you've never picked up 136 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: a saw in your life, could you give me in 137 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: less than five words why you've never tried to saw 138 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: anything in half? I never do any of that kind 139 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: of work because it's too hard. It's too hard. Cherry McComb. 140 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: If you're sawing anything in half, yes, I'm absolutely I 141 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: knew you were going to say that I knew it 142 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: the I knew you were going to see that, even 143 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: me and my sister Charlene. Oh, now Charlene's getting into 144 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: the whole thing. You and Charlene have sawed something in half? 145 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: What was it? We would enter the long fallowing content 146 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you nothing will wear you out quicker? 147 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: Where were you in a log sawing contest at the 148 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: Thogham Fura Festival. Okay, see that's my fault, Brooklyn. This 149 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: is trobably my fault, because isn't it true? Matthew team 150 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: man Gino high profile while you never asked the question, 151 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: you don't know the answer to see I asked, I 152 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: knew the answer. With Karen Stark, she's gotten the perfect nails, 153 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: the slender arms. I knew this girl had not picked 154 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: up a song. Now, I didn't ask Cheryl to start 155 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: because I knew she probably had, but I didn't know 156 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: she entered the what Cheryl is sorghum? Sup? What Thogham 157 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: Thurap festival in North Georgia. Yeah, that was poor cross examination, 158 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: very poor crime stories with Nancy Grace. Well, let me 159 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: ask you, Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer, farmer district attorney, 160 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: author of The Executioner's Toll, and can I tell you 161 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: what I like him about in the book, It's the 162 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: crimes or as trials, appeals, last meals, and final words 163 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: forty six people in the US. Because I'm always interested 164 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: in what do they say to explain away whoever they murdered? 165 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: And what do they decide they want for their last meal? 166 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: That's why I like your book, Mangino, have you ever 167 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: sawt anything in half? I have sawed things in half, 168 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: not very well. What would other things that around the home? 169 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a handy guy, so basically not so much. 170 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: All right, I've got one other person I need to ask, 171 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: and I'm hearing in my ear. We're just being joined 172 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: by Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Nicole Parton. Now, 173 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, it's not just an investigative reporter. She's a 174 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: mom and she has adopted. How many children have you adopted? Nicole? Five? 175 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: You know why? Then you early have eight in my home. 176 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: You are an angel and you have earned your way 177 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: into heaven according to me. Of course, I'm not the 178 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: ultimate authority on that, but I don't think i'd even 179 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: be a very good reference. So don't use me. When 180 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: you get to the pearly Gates, Nicole, with all those children, 181 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: you had to have sought something in half. I have, Nancy, 182 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: I must confess I do own a chainsaw, and I 183 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: have cut a tree in half. Why, I was just, 184 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: you know, handling business myself, you know how it is. 185 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: I just did you have to cut a tree in half? 186 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm just curious. The tree had fallen and it was 187 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: going to take a long time for workers to come 188 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: out and got out of the way, So just got 189 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: out there with the chainsaw. Well, I'm all about d 190 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: I y as you guys know. But I remember I 191 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: was in m off on a trial somewhere, and there 192 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: had been a horrible snow sleet ice disaster back home 193 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: in Georgia. And by then now now husband was here 194 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: and he was grounded because he travels all the time 195 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: with his job, and he happened to be Atlanta to 196 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: catch the blizzard. And I called him and said, hey, 197 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: are you okay. I'm so glad the phones are working. Goes, yeah, 198 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's that in the background. He goes, it's 199 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: his chainsaw. I'm like what he said? Yeah? I went 200 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: out a chain So I'm like, you putting that down 201 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: right now, and you leave the trees right where they are, 202 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: or you'll be missing a leg the next thing. You know. Anyway, 203 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: Thank you Heaven. He only destroyed one tree before he 204 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: put the chainsaw down. Now leading up to Doctor Kendall Crowns, 205 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: the reason we don't like to saw things in half 206 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: is because it's really hard. Cheryl McCollum, did you and 207 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: your sister win by chance? Or did you place and 208 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: the sorghum syrup? What did she say? It was logs 209 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: splitting cutting contest. We were champions two years running undefeated. Yeah. Well, 210 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: I don't believe her. I don't want to check that 211 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: out because I think she's totally lying. Doctor Kendel Crowns, 212 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: How hard is it to cut up a human body? 213 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: It's really hard. So it depends on where you cut at. 214 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: So if you go to joint spaces, it's actually quite 215 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: easy to dismember a body. I've done that a few 216 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: times over the year. But if you go to like 217 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: midshaft to the bone or something like that, it is 218 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: actually are you dismembering a body? Well, we occasionally have 219 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: to remove the sections of the body to evaluate them 220 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: with anthropology, to remove parts, legs, arms, I've even removed 221 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: head for the anthropologist. Well you just have all the fun, 222 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: don't you do every day, doctor Crowns. But wouldn't you 223 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: have to know we're exactly where to cut to make 224 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: it so easy, because I think it's really hard. I 225 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: mean I can barely pull a chicken apart to fry 226 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: the darn thing much less. Well, so yeah, yes you 227 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: would have to know. But just by saying you've pulled 228 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: a chicken apart, you know the good basics of joint 229 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: space and do it very well, Doctor Crowns, I'd get 230 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: out a knife. Well, practice makes perfect, you know, as 231 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: I've been told, you can buy them already in pieces. 232 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: That said, Dotter Kennel Crowns, you're making it sound easy, 233 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: but it's not easy for a lay person to dismember 234 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: a body. If you don't know what you're doing and 235 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: you're cutting through bone, what happens so commonly the mistake 236 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: is as people don't go for joint spaces. You're correct, 237 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: as most people try and cut in the mid portion 238 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: of a bone, and it is very difficult to cut 239 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: through bone, especially if you don't have an electric kasok 240 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: because most of the ones most people have a hack 241 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: saut that they try and cut through bone with and 242 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: they get very tired. So a lot of the dismemberment 243 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: cases we see is they become frustrated or fed up 244 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: with trying to cut through the body and just end 245 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: up giving up or lighting them on fire, which is 246 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: also a very inefficient way of disposing about you know what, 247 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: unless you wrap them entires. Matthew me Gino, have you 248 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: ever had a case that you had to defend where 249 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: the victim had been dismembered? Well, I actually had a 250 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: prosecution or actually defendedicication which there was some effort at dismemberment. 251 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: It was prior to when I was a prosecutor, and 252 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: it was a very futile effort at dismemberment, but it 253 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: was there was an effort to dismember a person who 254 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: ultimately was charged, as in this case, with first degree murder. Guys, 255 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: we're talking about a beautiful couple, a couple who by 256 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: all accounts, as far as we know right now, certainly 257 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: did not deserve this. Take a listen to our friend 258 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Steele, the Montgomery County District Attorney. He was wrapped 259 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: in a white sheet and comforter. And they were also 260 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: unfortunately able to see that there was evidence of Miriam 261 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: in the house also, and she was deceased. There were 262 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: signs of extreme trauma. I'll tell you that a chainsaw 263 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: was found. Both Reid and Miriam were found in different 264 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: stages of dismount various stages of dismemberment. So whoever started 265 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: didn't finish. And this would never have been discovered if 266 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: the son hadn't gotten concerned because his mom was only 267 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: texting back and he couldn't get her on the phone. 268 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: You know, to you, Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us 269 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: out of Manhattan, the shock of finding your parents not 270 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: only dead but didn't dismembered. I mean, you and I 271 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: talked forever after I sat in the room with my 272 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: dad when he passed away, and I almost wish I hadn't, 273 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: But again I'm glad I did, because I could never 274 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: forget those moments. I'd rather remember him alive and happy 275 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: as opposed to that. But that sticks with you forever, Karen, 276 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: Yes it doesn't, Nancy, and I do remember what happened 277 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: with your dad, and what a way to discover that. 278 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, at least you understood what has happened to 279 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: your dad, but can't imagine if you walk into a 280 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: scene and you realize that your parents are dead, but 281 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: gruesomely something happened and they've been dismembered or hidden or 282 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: something horrificant, and that's the scene that you walk into. 283 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: You will never get over that, Cheryl McCollum, you and 284 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: I have del were so many crime victims. It's the shock, 285 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: the shock not only your loved on being dead, but 286 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: from violence, much less a dismemberment. No wonder, crime victims 287 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: are never the same. This would be something that your 288 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: mind would not even allow you to process, almost like 289 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: you would not even be able to understand what you 290 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: were seeing. And again, he probably had some concern that 291 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: something had happened, you know, maybe they weren't feeling well, 292 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: maybe something going over with his mom's phone. But again 293 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: it was enough care and concerned that he had to 294 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: go over there personally when he could no longer reach 295 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: them by phone. Guys, now take a listen to Kevin Steel, 296 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: the attorney. The autopsy revealed that both Read and Miriam 297 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: were shot in the head. We believe that happened first, 298 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: there is evidence that a pillow was used in the 299 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: in the shot and there was one shot to each 300 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: of their heads, so you know, we hope and pray 301 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: that that happened happened first Doctor Kennel Crown's medical examiner 302 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: out of Fort Worth. When someone has been dismembered, it 303 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: makes it so difficult to determine cod cause of death. 304 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: How do you do it? As in this case it 305 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: was by gunshot one. So usually with the dismembered bodies, 306 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: if there's an intervening cause death like a gunshot, wound, stabbed, 307 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: something of that nature, the wound itself will have blood 308 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: throughout the wound force, so you know the individual was 309 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: alive when they were shot or stabbed. And then the 310 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: dismemberment usually there isn't a lot of blood associated with 311 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: the cutting of the tissues and ripping away of the bones, 312 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: so that the wounds will actually be fairly blood lists 313 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: and they will kind of have a tannish dry appearance 314 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: to them. So you can separate out post mortum injuries 315 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: versus anti mortem inaguries or before death injuries versus after 316 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: death enturies based on the tissue reaction in the blood. 317 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: So and that's usually what we find with dismembermentsus they 318 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: always are occurring after the fact, after the individual's death. Okay, 319 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: let me translate that into regular people talk. I think 320 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: you said that dismemberment usually occurs after the murder, and 321 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: therefore the cuts due to dismemberment do not blade or 322 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: do not blade very much, and you look at the 323 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: body parts to determine if you can find a bullet 324 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: wound or a stab wound which would have blood. Is 325 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: that what you just said, correct, Because when you get 326 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: the initial gunshot wound, your heart is still beating, and 327 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: then when they're cutting parts off of you, the blood 328 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: is just oozing and there's no beating heart. Do you 329 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: ever just hear what you're saying like an objective bystander, 330 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: and it all seems so normal. You sound like you're 331 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: describing a painting by Monai. It's just very calm, and 332 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about the blood still is pumping while you're alive, 333 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: and then after the murder, the blood's not pumping anymore, 334 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: and so when you cut the body apart, there's not 335 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: a lot of blood. You said that as cool as 336 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: a cucumber. Well, if I present my findings in an 337 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: emotional manner. I am no good at court because I 338 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: don't come off as logical in thinking and instead of 339 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: an emotional basket cake. So it's best to be a 340 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: logical manner when presenting finding. You know what you are, Crowns. 341 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: You're brilliant, You're absolutely brilliant, because nobody wants an agitated 342 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: or excitable professional like I don't want a lawyer or 343 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: a doctor or an accountant not to compare you to 344 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: an account and of course you don't want them to 345 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: be excitable and agitated and emotional. No, no, no, you're 346 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: absolutely right, doctor Crowns. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 347 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about this as if it's a theory. But 348 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: these are two lovely people, a mom and a dad, 349 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: two seniors that walk hand in hand through the neighborhood 350 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: every day. And again, I just keep thinking about Gradian Bua, 351 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: our next door neighbors, and who would do this? Trying 352 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: to determine the answer that question, who would have done 353 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: this to such a lovely couple. Well, when you don't 354 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: know who did it, you look at the victims in 355 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: this case. Did they have any enemies? Were they involved 356 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: with drugs? Did they sneak away to Vegas on the weekend. 357 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: I blow a lot of money. Who are these people? 358 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Maggie Kent WP. The 359 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: the community is reeling. Miriam Tony Beck was a school 360 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: nurse for twenty years at Lower Moorland High School. Readbeck 361 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: was a retired training director of steam Fitters Local Union 362 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: for twenty Just a friendly, nice man who you know, 363 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: when you think about it today, you step back and reminisce. 364 00:23:54,800 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: I mean he taught the generation of apprentices underably. It 365 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: is really difficult for neighbors and friends to talk about 366 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: the Becks in past tense, but there is a few 367 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: stories that they wanted to share, one being that the 368 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: Becks would go for a walk almost a daily, every 369 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: single day that we're seen walking down the street holding hands. 370 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: So to Matthew Mangino joining us from near this jurisdiction. 371 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer and author. Matthew it's not them. 372 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: They don't have a risky lifestyle. They're not shooting up 373 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: on the corner. She's not a hooker, he's not selling drugs. 374 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: They don't sneak away to Vegas and blow all their money. 375 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: They don't have any enemies. They're the people in the 376 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: neighborhood that everybody loves. It's like clockwork every day their 377 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: walk around the neighborhood. She was a school nurse for 378 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: twenty years. There's no mystery there because defense attorney is 379 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: very often we'll somehow try to blame the victim in 380 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: some way. But these people are spotless. They're pure right. 381 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: And if I was looking at this case initially, um, 382 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, I would want to know, you know, was 383 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: there a robbery, You know that there are things taken 384 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: from the home, and uh, you know, was there other 385 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: things that mightn't be indicative of a stranger intruder. But 386 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: the thing that would catch my eye would be the 387 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: aspect of dismemberment. And dismemberment indicates someone who is trying 388 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: to get rid of the evidence, get rid of the body. 389 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: And so someone who comes in and commits a robbery, 390 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: they're going to get the money, they'll kill you and 391 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: they're gone. They're not going to try to dismember your 392 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: body and put put it into a garbage scan dispose 393 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: of it. So so I'm thinking right off the bat, 394 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: if I'm investigating this or advising investigators, is who would 395 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: want to all these people and then disposed of their bodies, 396 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: disposed of the adit. You know, Matthew and Gino. That 397 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: is very clear thinking and extremely astute. And in that line, 398 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: take a listen to the da We are looking for 399 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: what motive could have been behind this. I can't share 400 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: one with you at this time. We did find evidence 401 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: in the house of a safe that had been attempted 402 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: to be broken into, and we also believe that this 403 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: happened over a period of some time. Their voices were 404 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: last heard by a family member on the seventh of January, 405 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: so we believe that they may have been decomposing in 406 00:26:53,440 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: that time. And that was also, unfortunately the than the 407 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: smell that the officers when they first came into the 408 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: into the house to doctor Kidneal Crowns as the chief 409 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: medical examiner fort Worth, not the Crowns. Why do decomposing 410 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: bodies smell? And it's a smell you'll never forget it, 411 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: so unlike anything else to decomposing bodies smell because the 412 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: bacteria that's in your intestines that help you digest food 413 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: and all that after you die are no longer kept 414 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: in check by the body and begin digesting or or 415 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: breaking you down into a more breaking your body down. 416 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: So it's the bacteria in your body that breaks you down. 417 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: And when they breaks the body down, it creates kind 418 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: of sulfur and other compounds that create that distinctive odor. 419 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: And that's and then gases as well as methane is 420 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: one that's produced by the breakdown of the body by bacteria. 421 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: So again it's your body's bacteria breaking you down into 422 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: some The mother, you know, Sheryl mccomer reminds me of 423 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: top Mom Casey Anthony. Remember when her truck was opened 424 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: by her own mother, Cindy Anthony and the mom set. 425 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: It smells like a dead body's been in the car, right, 426 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: There is a smell about a dead body. I really 427 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: can't explain. It's unlike any other smell and you'll never 428 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: forget it. And there's no way to ignore it. There's 429 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: no way to say it's anything else. Casey Anthony trying 430 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: to say it was a rotten pizza box, something not 431 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: even close. You know. The sad thing again, in this situation, 432 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: it seems like they were in that state for some 433 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: period of time in their home alone. And that's a 434 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: real fan and that's the real indicator, because, as I've 435 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: said about many other high profile cases, who would take 436 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: the time with the effort to do this to Nicole 437 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: Parton joining us climb online dot com and Dusty at 438 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: a reporter. So someone did try to get into the safe, 439 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: but seemingly was successful. Do you know if there was 440 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,239 Speaker 1: a forced entry, was anything else taken? Or either one 441 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: of them sex assaulted before or after death? Do we 442 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: know any of that? There was no sign of forced entry, 443 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: no signs of any sexual abuse, sexual assaults. We do 444 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: know that there were holes that had been drilled into 445 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: the family safe. So obviously someone that did not have 446 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: the code or the key had tried to get into 447 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: the safe but were unsuccessful. We were also being told 448 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: that nothing else was missing from the home. So someone 449 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: came into the home, no forced entry, and drilled holes 450 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: into the Becks safe in their home. Correct, So someone 451 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: was trying to get into that safe that didn't have 452 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: a key, didn't have the combination. They were unsuccessful, but 453 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: they had drilled holes into the safe trying to get 454 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: into it. Nicole, pardon, I'm sure you have. Have you 455 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: looked at their home, it's perfectly kept, like their yard 456 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: is perfect. The shrubs are perfect. There is not one 457 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: leaf from those trees, most of them are evergreens, though 458 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: not one leaf on the lawn. Nothing. The walkway up 459 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: to their front door is perfectly cleaned. The sidewalk in 460 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: front of their home, everything's perfect. But my point is 461 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: the home is not a mansion. Now. It's a pretty 462 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: ripsey area. I'll grant you that it's up. It isn't 463 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: that a suburb of Philly, Matthew Mangino, Yes it is. 464 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: It's in Montgomery County, about fifteen miles from Philadelphia. It's 465 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: the home of Pennsylvania the new governor, George Piro. So 466 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: it's a nice neighborhood. But this home itself is not 467 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar mansion. It looks like a family home 468 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: that somebody bought back in the fifties or sixties maybe 469 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: and raise their children, their two children, and that the 470 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: parents still live there for a school nurse and the 471 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: union man. You know, it reminds me a lot of 472 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: the home I grew up in, as a matter of fact. 473 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: But who we want to break in to a home 474 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: like that and try to get into the safe? There 475 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: is no way somebody would break into that home and 476 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: murder two people and then be unsuccessful with that safe. 477 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: There's no way if anything else, they would try to, 478 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, take it off the wall, take it with them. 479 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: This sounds like somebody that almost googled how to break 480 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: into it and failed miserably. But back to doctor Kendall, 481 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: Crown's chief medical Examiner, Tarrant County Fort Worth. I know 482 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: that their voices were last heard on the seventh of January. 483 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: They have been decomposing for many days to that degree. 484 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: If you have that degree of decomposition, doctor, can you 485 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: still determine cod cause of death? Yes, you can. You 486 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: can still pick figure out what people died from. The 487 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: injuries are still there. You'll still find damage to the organs, 488 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: even though they may be decomposed or liquefied. But you 489 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: will also find injuries to the bones as well that 490 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: will be significant for gunshot wounds or fractures that are 491 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: significant for beatings and things like that. So what would 492 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: have to happen to the body in order for there 493 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: to be an undetermined cause of death? They would have 494 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: to be literally cremated. Otherwise, most of the time we 495 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: are able to figure out a cause of that cremated, 496 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: and to be cremated, you have really high temperatures, not 497 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: like an oven or a fire in the back of 498 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: the yard. They have to be incinerator gray temperatures to 499 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: get rid of it right, to get rid of evidence. 500 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: That's correct. So guys, I want you to take a 501 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: listen to a mcman wp v I. There was a 502 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: couple's son who grew concerned after he hadn't spoken to 503 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: his parents in a week. He went to their home, 504 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: saw a body inside, confronted his sister, and then left 505 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: and called ninety one. The couple's son told authorities he 506 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: believed that he was texting with his parents all week. Now, 507 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: authorities believe his sister was using the parents' phone to 508 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: make the son think that they were still alive. Cheryl McCollum, 509 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: what do you make of that? Someone going to the 510 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: links of fake texting. We saw that with Brian Laundry 511 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: and Gabby Petito where he referred to her. I believe 512 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: it was her uncle grandfather by their name like Tom 513 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: and so saying Grandpa, how is Grandpa? Right? She said 514 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: how's Tom? When they went that's not right? Correct? I 515 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: think everything she did after these murders to cover up 516 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: the crime is very telling, hide them under sheets, to 517 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: head them and dismembering. Trying to hide the bodies. She 518 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: had to get chainsaws and dollies. She had to keep 519 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: the phones charged Nancy in order to do this text messaging. 520 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: She told him that she herself was sick, trying to 521 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: get him up to come over. She turned the lights out. 522 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: She wouldn't answer the door. She moved the bodies with 523 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: that dolly, creating the creating the marks and the carpet. 524 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: She did something every single day, every single minute after 525 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: these murders to try to cover it up and further 526 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: and a cover up. Take a listen to Marcus Espinoza 527 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: Fox twenty nine. Steele believes that the parents were killed 528 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: on or around at January seventh. The daughter is a 529 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: resident of the home, and Steele says it's clear she 530 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: tried to hide the bodies both by dismemberment and also 531 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: may have impersonated the parents via cell phone. That's when 532 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: their voices had last been heard. And I say that 533 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: specifically because it seems like the daughter may have had 534 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: access to their phones and may have been texting on 535 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,280 Speaker 1: their behalf. Wow, Okay, there's no way around that Matthew, 536 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: Me and Gino. If that can be proved that is 537 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: serious intent. Well, yeah, there's no question. I mean, there 538 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 1: are certain situations here that lend itself to the fact 539 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: that she understood what she was doing, and she understood 540 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: right from wrong. Although this is macabb and you're in 541 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: a house for a number of days with your deceased 542 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: parents while you're trying to dismember their bodies. That is 543 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: indicative of someone who knows that they did something wrong 544 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: and are trying to cover it up so it doesn't 545 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: look like insanity. He's going to be an option to Nancy. Yeah, 546 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: jump in. That's doctor Karen start, go ahead. So this 547 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: is this type of person I want to tell you 548 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: is not mentally ill and certainly doesn't have any kind 549 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: doesn't suffer from what we know of the severe abuse. 550 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: She's an antisocial offender. What do you mean by that? 551 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: That means that she's doing this for selfish reasons. Parents 552 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: are in her way. She wants something like their money 553 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: or freedom. In this case, it seems like money because 554 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: somebody tried to break into the safe and I assume 555 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: it must be her, and so she lacks emotions, She 556 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: lacks empathy for others. She doesn't She knows exactly what 557 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: she's doing, but she doesn't care. Antisocial, you know, I 558 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: hear that phrase used a lot, of course in common vernacular, 559 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: but when you think of it in the sense of 560 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: a psychiatric or psychological disorder, it takes on a whole 561 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: different meaning. Karen Start, that's right, because it really is 562 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: describing a personality somebody that we have trouble really comprehending 563 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: because they don't have a conscience and they don't care. 564 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: Makes you think of the brothers Lyla Eric Mendez, right right, 565 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: Menendez who killed their parents and I knew what they 566 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: were doing, and they really wanted the money. I still 567 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: have in my head about that, Karen Start, which we've 568 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: talked about a lot. The mother kid, even Indez, crawling 569 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: down the hall begging for her life, and they just 570 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: followed her with the gun and killed her. To Nicole 571 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: Parton joining Me Crime on One dot Com investigative reporter 572 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: Nicole take a listen to Maggie Kent WPVII. Their forty 573 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: three year old daughter, Verity was inside, as were three guns. 574 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: Police knew they needed to approach with caution. They used drones. 575 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: They threw in a camera which was able to search 576 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: most of the area. When they reached the door and 577 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: made their way inside, Verity walked down the steps, hands raised. 578 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: She just confirmed that her parents were deceased and was 579 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: concerned about her cats and dog. They were the only 580 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: words that she uttered. It's evident that the Becks had 581 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,439 Speaker 1: been deceased for some time. They were both shot once 582 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: in the head, whether they were sleeping or not. You 583 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: just hope that they Nicole Parton, what can you tell 584 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 1: me about the arrest of the adult daughter Verity Beck. 585 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: Verity Beck is a school teacher at Saint Catherine's School 586 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: of Special Education. She's now facing two counts of first 587 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 1: degree murder for the death of her parents. Decapitated her 588 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: father and severed her mother into eight pieces Nancy with 589 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: a chainsaw. Okay, hold on, do you say that one 590 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: more time? What decapitated her father and then put her 591 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: mother into eight pieces, threw her in the trash cans 592 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: in the garage. The chainsaw was still laying there with 593 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: the biological material on it from her family, and she 594 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: was Karen Stark boy dorinated shrink again. All she said 595 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: was she was worried about her cast and dogs. Let 596 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: me tell you, Nancy, that she continue to animals because 597 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: animals just they give to you. You don't have to 598 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: really interact with them in an important way. And think 599 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: about that. It's just amazing that she had no hesitation. 600 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: She was able to decapitate her father and take apart 601 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: her mother and eight pieces. I can't even cut up 602 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: a piece of chicken. I mean, think about it. She 603 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: just chopped her mother up, Chryl McCollum, and what seven 604 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: or eight pieces, And when the cops come in, she goes, well, 605 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: what about my cat and dog? That's right. And even 606 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: before that, Nancy, she spent thirty minutes talking to her 607 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: own brother in that scene with their parents dead, with 608 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: blood everywhere, like nothing was wrong, Like she was just 609 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: sitting in the living room reading a magazine and there's 610 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: like eight pieces of her mother over there. Guys, take 611 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: a listen now to w p VII. Verity used this 612 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: chainsaw and then had put parts of her parents into 613 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: trash bags. This fifty five gallon trash been authorities say 614 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: held some of the couple's remains and was transported to 615 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: the coroner's office along with her father's decapitated body. Tuesday evening, 616 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: the couple's concerned son entered the home, found a body 617 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: with a sheet over it, spoke to his sister, left 618 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: and called nine one one. When police arrived, they made 619 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: the grizzly discovery and they asked Verity, where are your parents? 620 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: And Verity replied they are dead, shooting her elderly parents 621 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: in their heads, dismembering their bodies with a chainsaw, stuffing 622 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: them in trash cans. This all comes to light after 623 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: the adults son tells cops he had not spoken to 624 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: his parents vermally since jan seven. Possible motive? Do we 625 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: care what the motive is? Take a listen to more 626 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: from ABC Philly. They also found guns belonging to Verity 627 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: and believed they found the murder weapon. The crime left 628 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: neighbor's dumbfounded. I'm completely stunned at the quiet neighborhood, very 629 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: friendly kids all over the place. Authors are still searching 630 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 1: for a votive. We did find evidence in the house 631 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,959 Speaker 1: of a safe that had been attempted to be broken into, 632 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: a daughter shooting her parents in the head before using 633 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: a chainsaw to dismember them. Chery McCollum, You and I 634 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: both worked on dismemberment cases where portions of the victim well, 635 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: where the victim was in portions. I think that that's 636 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: very difficult for a jury to take in not only 637 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: the murderer, but the dismemberment when the person is actually sane, 638 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: because you would expect the defendant to be insane to 639 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,439 Speaker 1: commit a dismemberment. You would. And you know, you're also 640 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: talking about somebody that was a special education teacher, so 641 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: you have this idea that they are a comfort to 642 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: people and understand our patient and kind and then she's 643 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: able to do something like this for se only no 644 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: reason at all. But if you take everything step by step, 645 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: this was not somebody eighteen or nineteen. This was a woman, 646 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: middle aged, still living with her parents. That's a flag. 647 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: The fact that she's going to buy all these guns 648 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: for what that's a flag. Now you've got these issues 649 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 1: that are probably well known to the brother because again 650 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: when he goes over there, he doesn't flip out. He's 651 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: able to talk to her calmly for thirty minutes in 652 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: order I believe, to save his own life. Matthew Mangino question, 653 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: this is in Pennsylvania. Now, Pennsylvania does have the death penalty. 654 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: But is it correct that no one has been executed 655 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: since around nineteen seventy six. Yeah, there have been three 656 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: executions since nineteen seventy six in Pennsylvania. They were all volunteers. 657 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: People gave up their rights and just agreed to be executed. 658 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: The last one was in nineteen ninety nine in Governor Wolf, 659 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: who left office had imposed a moratorium on signing death warrants. 660 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: So you know the death penalty, Well, it's on the books, 661 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: and there's a hundred and some people on death row. 662 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: It's not working in Pennsylvania. Karen Storry, what do you 663 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: make of a person that is legally sane but not 664 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: only murders their parents and then dismembers. Well we go 665 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: back Nancy too, the fact that there are no feelings. 666 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: She has no emotions. She can only connect to I 667 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: guess children and animals because they don't demand much from you. 668 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: They just care about you and love you. She is 669 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: not like anybody that we usually know. She doesn't care. 670 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: And now the son is left with nothing but memories 671 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: of his parents walking hand in hand through the neighborhood. 672 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: I know he will never be able to reconcile that 673 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 1: that loving image with what he saw in the home 674 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: that day, his parents murdered and dismembered, and his sister 675 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,240 Speaker 1: sitting there like nothing had happened. We wait as justice 676 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: and false. Goodbye, friend,