Speaker 1: He is Drinks Chants, Motherfucker podcast Make SI He's a
Speaker 1: legends every Queens rapper. He ain't agreed as your boy
Speaker 1: in O r E. He's a Miami hip hop mionneer.
Speaker 2: What Up as dj E f N?
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Speaker 2: Drink up, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Mother? Would it gonna be hoping to? You?
Speaker 2: Said me as your boy in O R E? What
Speaker 2: Up is dj E f N? And it's drink chance, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: You have to be man.
Speaker 4: And when we started this show, we said we wanted
Speaker 4: to give flowers to brothers who who came before us,
Speaker 4: who the wait for us. Literally, if it wasn't because
Speaker 4: of this man doing what he did, being the personality
Speaker 4: that he was, we probably wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: We heard he started as an artist, then heard who
Speaker 4: Jay and said that's not it. I'm gonna find another profession.
Speaker 4: And he found another profession. He was one of the
Speaker 4: first people in hip hop that was multitasking, meaning having movies, radio,
Speaker 4: and television back then when that was unheard of early.
Speaker 4: He's a legend, legend of icon or icon, your favorite
Speaker 4: Rapper's favorite rapper has a story with him, and it's
Speaker 4: final to the day to give him his flowers, to
Speaker 4: tell him how much he means to our community, our culture,
Speaker 4: our society.
Speaker 2: In case you don't know what we're talking about, what
Speaker 2: your mother want to know?
Speaker 1: The motherfucker? That's right.
Speaker 4: I'm like to go now, now, do we got the.
Speaker 2: Language?
Speaker 1: He's easy?
Speaker 4: I was just saying, man, do you have the easy
Speaker 4: eclip signed up? Look, there's two part questions. I want
Speaker 4: to show you got the easy clips signed up?
Speaker 1: I mean, you ain't got the show to me show
Speaker 1: to him now, but we want to see your reaction.
Speaker 1: I'm going to number one video on the conference.
Speaker 2: Man, Okay, I can't say I tell them what we have?
Speaker 2: What what's up.
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: You actually it says it labels it as a love
Speaker 4: of smacks easy Heat.
Speaker 1: Well, there's different different versions of that video with different
Speaker 1: different titles, but that's what that's what is labeled ass.
Speaker 4: But then when you watched the footage, you actually put
Speaker 4: it in your hands that's what we used to call
Speaker 4: back in the day, is a mush.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the smash. This is something that I'm quite sure
Speaker 2: he's going to bring it up.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: Me and stretched from lock each other all the time,
Speaker 2: each other in the smash, like what you gotta. We
Speaker 2: even put our hands in each others pockets, take ship
Speaker 2: and throw it on the ground, just putting each other
Speaker 2: in the smash.
Speaker 1: I was talking with Easy, Easy, I just put the
Speaker 1: nigga in the smash. But y'all, y'all already had that
Speaker 1: kind of rapport with each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't understand.
Speaker 1: He was. Easy was the coolest thigga man ever. Bro Like.
Speaker 2: I remember one time we went and and we did
Speaker 2: uh n w A in l A and we was
Speaker 2: out and Compton by Compton swamped me. I had the
Speaker 2: dead wrong ass color on for that nigga, dead wrong
Speaker 2: pick up. I was freddy with them. When we got
Speaker 2: out to go into Compton Swamp Meet to shoot. Easy
Speaker 2: was like, yo, you got to sit in the car. Man,
Speaker 2: send the car for a minute. And he went in
Speaker 2: and he got me a black wind breaker. He got
Speaker 2: me a black braid. That's hatting a black. You got
Speaker 2: your neutral, you got me right. You got me neutral
Speaker 2: because he was like the O g got to do
Speaker 2: it to you. You're from the young ron niggas trying
Speaker 2: to get a rep. So he got me right. So yeah,
Speaker 2: Easy shit was crazy. So it's two things you asked
Speaker 2: me what you answered. One of the part is did
Speaker 2: you have a rapport before that? But then the other
Speaker 2: part was he whispered something into your ear? And everyone
Speaker 2: always wonders because y'all go into the video after that, right, well,
Speaker 2: everyone always wonders what was exactly did he.
Speaker 1: Whisper in your ear?
Speaker 2: And everybody gonna have to wait for that fucking bullet.
Speaker 2: That is one of the young bro That is one
Speaker 2: of the biggest questions I ever get in my life.
Speaker 2: You see people on the thread he he disrespected. He
Speaker 2: said some foul shit about shooting, and Easy was a businessman.
Speaker 2: Eaz knows if he'd have said some foul shit to me,
Speaker 2: he would have never got another video played on MTV.
Speaker 4: And by the way, it couldn't have been too crazy
Speaker 4: because it's still got And.
Speaker 2: Remember he had the pool. He used to have the
Speaker 2: pool party, which was fucking debauchery, nigga, The Easy pool parties,
Speaker 2: the Bachery easy easy pool parties and we'll get to
Speaker 2: that too. Easy pool parties was like what Luke was
Speaker 2: smart enough to do. Luke used to when we used
Speaker 2: to come to Miami with Luke. Luke would bring all
Speaker 2: the program directors, all the radio dudes all night and
Speaker 2: then bringing all the strippers and pay for everything. So
Speaker 2: when you left from Miami, you was like ship that
Speaker 2: nigga Luke. You always remember that Luke took care of you.
Speaker 2: So when you got back, like we was gonna play
Speaker 2: you on TV rets We was playing move something because
Speaker 2: Luke makes sure something move when we're done in Miami.
Speaker 2: So we was playing that ship. Bro Easy was doing
Speaker 2: the same ship. He was just doing the same ship.
Speaker 2: He had the pool party, went and wild and girls
Speaker 2: all over the place, Lika drains weed, whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: you wanted.
Speaker 1: He was doing the same ship. It.
Speaker 4: Wow, that was marketing. What do you think life would
Speaker 4: have been like if Instagram was back then?
Speaker 1: Ship?
Speaker 2: First of all, I'd have been fucking super wealthy because
Speaker 2: I probably had two hundred three hundred million followers world
Speaker 2: right easy, so I could have leveraged that corporately somehow,
Speaker 2: some way. But shit, Instagram then we'd all been fucked
Speaker 2: up for a lot of the ship that we was doing.
Speaker 1: We've all been fucked up.
Speaker 2: I've probably never been married if we had.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I heard you say in the very beginning, like you
Speaker 4: really were it really wasn't about money. I don't remember
Speaker 4: if you said you wasn't making money or really wasn't
Speaker 4: about money.
Speaker 2: You were saying you did it for the love. I
Speaker 2: would have did it for free, wow, honestly, because that's
Speaker 2: how much I love hip hop. That's how much I
Speaker 2: wanted to be a part of it. That's how much
Speaker 2: I really wanted to get myself involved in it. Like
Speaker 2: I've said on many interviews, I heard ll rhyme and
Speaker 2: then I figured I was the MC after that, right, well,
Speaker 2: just two nights and too young, yeah, fifteen. He was
Speaker 2: nice like and I was like, well on in them.
Speaker 2: They from my way. So we used to all rhyme.
Speaker 2: I was back when I was Eddie D. Everybody had
Speaker 2: a D on their name. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: the fuck the D was, you know, and running them
Speaker 2: would come in the park and you know, we rhyme
Speaker 2: would ron and and D come out. You know, D
Speaker 2: always had rhymes. So that was back then. But when
Speaker 2: I heard this young fifteen year old kid from Farmers Boulevard, Bro,
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, I can't. I can't even make
Speaker 2: records like that, delivery, his wordplay, everything. So I had
Speaker 2: to try to figure another way into this Himpi and
Speaker 2: it was your TV raps Bro.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you because at that time, it
Speaker 4: was really just about being the DJ or the MC.
Speaker 4: It really wasn't about being a VJ. You know, although
Speaker 4: we had Ralph before.
Speaker 1: That, right, the d Boys and the graffiti artist as well.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying is, listen, let me get to
Speaker 1: the point I was trying to make. Was like, other
Speaker 1: than Ralph, I didn't see too many vj's, right, So
Speaker 1: what made you and Dre like even one to to
Speaker 1: explore that? It was first?
Speaker 2: Okay average first, And when I saw that I saw
Speaker 2: the name Ted Demi on that Ted Demi was a
Speaker 2: dude that I knew from church. Wow, not from Queens. No,
Speaker 2: he's from Rockville. Uh, he's from Long Island. Okay, wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's right there, Rockville Center. That's where you're from, Rockville Center.
Speaker 2: So Ted Demi is a pisk compellion. His parents. My
Speaker 2: best friend Kurt Flirt. Shout out Kurt Flirt. His uketarian
Speaker 2: is episcapellion PRIs copal a pist compellion. So they would
Speaker 2: have the fellowship ship and they were going to retreats
Speaker 2: and kurt moms always like, bring Ed, you know, keep
Speaker 2: Kurt out of trouble, but youn't know that was more trouble.
Speaker 2: And then we met the little white guy from Rockville
Speaker 2: no Long Island and uh Rockville Center, and that motherfucker
Speaker 2: just knew hip hop and he loved the music and
Speaker 2: he knew all of this ship about us, and that
Speaker 2: was Ted. So we kept in touch all through high school.
Speaker 2: We used to take our block from our block to
Speaker 2: go to the rock Felle Center to play Ted and
Speaker 2: his friends, and then he bring his friends to us,
Speaker 2: and then we stayed with them all through college and everything.
Speaker 2: And I saw that name on them credits and I
Speaker 2: was like, what does Ted have to do with your
Speaker 2: on TV?
Speaker 1: Rats, Oh.
Speaker 4: Plug, I'm gonna tell you. I was doing a documentary
Speaker 4: called What What and When when Chris Lightdy saw it,
Speaker 4: Chris Ldy said, I need you to meet this.
Speaker 1: Guy in LA and his name was Ted. Dimmy I
Speaker 1: had that I didn't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't know, Ted Dimmy, Ted did your TV bath
Speaker 4: at the time, Ted Dimney, they make us wait, we're
Speaker 4: on a ping pong playing ping pong. Ted Dimmy comes
Speaker 4: out with a guy who looks like Johnny Depp and
Speaker 4: he just throws fucking cocaine on the table. And then
Speaker 4: Johnny Depp just sniffed the ship.
Speaker 1: Not Johnny Depp, the guy looks like him. He me out.
Speaker 1: So we're all this is like two way days. We're
Speaker 1: all like, yo, we texted each other in the same.
Speaker 4: Room, like, yo, did you see what I seen? Come
Speaker 4: to find out it was Johnny Depp? It was fake cocaine.
Speaker 4: They was promoting the movie Blow, Yo.
Speaker 1: But this this is there, was like should we use
Speaker 1: this as a promotional item? And that's what I knew.
Speaker 1: Ted was out of his fucking mind. Ted didn't blow
Speaker 1: did the movie blo.
Speaker 2: Directed? That directed the movie Blow? Ted directed the movie
Speaker 2: Life with Eddie mur Yes, Yes, yeah that's Ted did
Speaker 2: Who's the man?
Speaker 1: Who's the man? Ted? Who's the man?
Speaker 4: So what made you stick with him? Because all right, cool,
Speaker 4: you on TV blowing up? You have your chance to
Speaker 4: do your own movie, But don't cut through every day.
Speaker 1: I want to know when you connect with him and
Speaker 1: how you he actually gets it. So I started get
Speaker 1: to your TV right, So I started.
Speaker 2: I saw Ted's name, I got the number. I started
Speaker 2: calling him. I'm like, Ted, you gotta get me on
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I know hip hop like nobody else know what. I'm
Speaker 2: in love with it. It's my thing. He's like, we
Speaker 2: already got FAB. I was like, well, you know, hip
Speaker 2: hop touches everything and make everything dope. Let me come
Speaker 2: on and do a record report, let me do a
Speaker 2: movie review, let me do something. And then they decided
Speaker 2: they wanted to do a daily show because the show
Speaker 2: had blown up.
Speaker 1: The show the show actually blew.
Speaker 2: Up with Ronde and Willingham did the pilot for it
Speaker 2: from their tour. That's what really set the whole ship off.
Speaker 2: Then they hired Fab. You know, Fad was downtown. You
Speaker 2: know Deborah Harry. Everybody loved Fab. Debora Harry had Fab five.
Speaker 2: Freddy told me that is my wife. I knew the
Speaker 2: only person that was gonna come through.
Speaker 1: Fab five.
Speaker 2: Freddy told me everybody fly DJ Smith, so Fab was on.
Speaker 1: He was on.
Speaker 2: He was a graph artist, the ambassador hip hop at
Speaker 2: the time. Absolutely and him and Box Scout is like this,
Speaker 2: like there's so much layers the Fab that people don't
Speaker 2: know about. And then Fab didn't want to do the
Speaker 2: Daily Show because he was also directing. He had did
Speaker 2: like I think he did self destruction. I think he
Speaker 2: did care Rust One videos. He did a lot of videos,
Speaker 2: so he was directing too, so he did not want
Speaker 2: to do it. So they had to find somebody to
Speaker 2: do the Daily Show. Peter Dougherty, who was the executive producer,
Speaker 2: knew Dre from Dre being a tour d J for
Speaker 2: the Beastie Boys.
Speaker 1: Ted knew me. I did not know Drake before DJ yeah.
Speaker 2: For the Beaci Boys before Hurricane. Yeah, so you know Dre,
Speaker 2: Dre and T Money also co wrote I'm Proud to
Speaker 2: Be Black from run DMC off the Region. You know,
Speaker 2: he was signed to Death Jam. They had their group.
Speaker 2: They signed the Death Jam knowledge me. I mean that
Speaker 2: was them way before I even knew dra We just
Speaker 2: did it over when we did the backup off me
Speaker 2: out Ah, my wife is killing me geez. Okay, So
Speaker 2: we did that and uh Ted saw it. He saw
Speaker 2: Laurel and Hardy. He Dre had already auditioned went back
Speaker 2: and was talking to Peter and Peter's office upstairs.
Speaker 1: I'm in there with Ted and he putting me on tape.
Speaker 2: And then Ted called Peter and was like, is doctor
Speaker 2: Dre still in and Dre he was like yeh, I said,
Speaker 2: send them to my office and he come down. He said,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put y'all on tape together. And I remember
Speaker 2: asking Drake. Ted had just come back from Jamaica something.
Speaker 2: He had the Dreadlock wigs in there, and I was like, Dre,
Speaker 2: do you can you speak pats Wild Like He's like, no,
Speaker 2: my father's Jamaican.
Speaker 1: I was like bet.
Speaker 2: So we put the wigs on and we did some
Speaker 2: crazy Jamaican ship and Ted was like, that's what I want,
Speaker 2: Laurel Hardy and he took it to MTV and m
Speaker 2: TV said we got money to pay one person, and
Speaker 2: me and Dre said we'll split it and we took it.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: Look, one of my favorite things to do is to
Speaker 4: when we come here is uh uh see if the
Speaker 4: artists on time. I knew he was gonna be on time,
Speaker 4: so I didn't take that back. I didn't take that back.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, his his his radio background and
Speaker 1: his professionalism.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna have he's not gonna be late.
Speaker 1: So then I've been waiting to be on this fucking show.
Speaker 2: Man, Hold hold on, but I'm like, this is my nigga.
Speaker 4: My second thing is to always know what the artist
Speaker 4: is drinking. Now you order one of the most unique
Speaker 4: drinks ever on drink Champs history. Let's let's see what
Speaker 4: that is. Okay, now what is that? That is Basil
Speaker 4: Hayden dog ride mis Bourbon. It's whiskey whiskey bourbon. Y. Okay,
Speaker 4: we put in a special order. Let's let's get this.
Speaker 4: Let's leave that there for him. We put in a
Speaker 4: special order because you're a special type of guy, and
Speaker 4: we had to do something special because we said we
Speaker 4: were going to make sure you got that, but then
Speaker 4: we got you.
Speaker 2: Hell hold on man, hold on, wow, whoa.
Speaker 1: Now this is special ship right here. I told you
Speaker 1: all my boys.
Speaker 2: My man Cam Newton's body got his spots of spot
Speaker 2: called fellowship, a Sira, life and times and pleasure chants,
Speaker 2: all of them is like bring that home, bring that
Speaker 2: home right there. That's special thanky man, Thank wow, that's
Speaker 2: crazy right. I'm so happy because I've been waiting for
Speaker 2: somebody to order a merry can whiskey and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: just just see what you order. And then who is it,
Speaker 2: mister Lee who sent the pits? And I was like.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I said that foret I think
Speaker 4: is that American whiskey? And I was like, yeah, I said,
Speaker 4: I hope he loves this pappy because we're going in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we're going.
Speaker 1: Now. You drink Pappy. I drink Pappy where I might
Speaker 1: chill it just a little.
Speaker 2: Just a little bit. I said, we're gonna do over
Speaker 2: a little ice. Yeah, we're gonna do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do a little bit of let it breathe. Sometimes we
Speaker 2: can just drop a thing of water and just a
Speaker 2: little bit of water. But that's Pappy different, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so I throw a big ice Cuban rock,
Speaker 2: but that's Pappy. Save for that flake you you saved
Speaker 2: for that flavor that's hard to get. Yeah, y'all drink
Speaker 2: chances for real with that ship hard to they'd be
Speaker 2: having lines outside of like liquor stores when they throw Pappy.
Speaker 1: Dropping twelve year two.
Speaker 4: Hell, so, let me ask you, how.
Speaker 2: Did you get to Atlanta? I know I'm bouncing around.
Speaker 4: But I want to know, like you know, because I
Speaker 4: want to I want to get to a birthday party.
Speaker 1: That's my son over there. As you came to that
Speaker 1: talk about that first when we when we both lived
Speaker 1: in West Arms.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you glad you brought that up,
Speaker 2: because I swear I was going to bring it up.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know. See's birthday party had
Speaker 1: Chris Lighty and yoah ruh the week there before John
Speaker 1: fifty Star Beefmith. That's right, I spin a gard. It
Speaker 1: was at my crib and Love was talking.
Speaker 2: To the only person and he's too young to even
Speaker 2: know it was asked.
Speaker 1: Fucking goddamn party. But remember Chris light he lived down.
Speaker 2: The Chris Lighty was my next door to next door
Speaker 2: neighbor god Rest, so he was my I tell you
Speaker 2: a quick Chris story.
Speaker 1: Let's go okay.
Speaker 2: So I lived directly next door to Chris Lighty. Chris
Speaker 2: Lighty had blacktop in his driveway. When I moved in,
Speaker 2: Chris was already there. I didn't have a driveway. I
Speaker 2: had the circular thing there, but it was dirt, so
Speaker 2: I called the paving stone niggas. I put these fifteen
Speaker 2: thousand dollars paving stones. I didn't think about Chris. I
Speaker 2: was just thinking about beautifying my house. Paving stones. They
Speaker 2: got an interlock. It's not blacktop. So Chris rings my
Speaker 2: bell one day and goes, that's what you're doing. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is you talking about?
Speaker 1: Chris?
Speaker 2: He said, you see me, I got the asphalt blacktops. Shit,
Speaker 2: you're gonna put down the paving stone. I said, Chris,
Speaker 2: I wasn't even thinking about you, bro, I didn't put
Speaker 2: the past stock. He said, who's your paving stone, dude?
Speaker 2: So I gave him my paving stone, dude, paving stone dude.
Speaker 2: Come they tears, driveway up. They put down paving stones.
Speaker 2: He and Norri Will attested my take his asshole, Chris.
Speaker 2: Whenter time comes, I'm shoveling my ship. Chris got just
Speaker 2: as much snow as I got, he said. I said, Chris,
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna shove me your snow. He said, come
Speaker 2: in the house. He clicked the ship he had he
Speaker 2: put under the motherfucker so you can help doing me.
Speaker 2: And I loved him though, Man, I love that shovel
Speaker 2: and ship click.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, just that that was.
Speaker 2: That was a time.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: I believe Laurence Hill lived one of the happy god
Speaker 2: damn hell yeah, sorry fellas like bringing that this ship on.
Speaker 4: So I remember Laurier Hill lived one where Redman lived
Speaker 4: down the block.
Speaker 1: Jar Ru lived here. I lived in Jersey. Yeah, Chris
Speaker 1: Lighty living I'm talking about in a twelve minute span
Speaker 1: like hip hop neighbors and Jaru and then Chris Lighty
Speaker 1: at love like and uh.
Speaker 2: And Latifa Lata had which called it kay she from
Speaker 2: Nordy Okay yeah yeah, but I would go to Shore
Speaker 2: Hills more and.
Speaker 1: This was this, for lack of a better term, Atlanta.
Speaker 1: This was like the first almost Lenox more like, because
Speaker 1: we would be deep in there but moving around. Uh.
Speaker 1: The death of Chris Lighty. I still don't believe Chris
Speaker 1: Lighty took his own life.
Speaker 2: I will never believe Chris Lighty took his own life.
Speaker 2: Chris Lighty was too full of himself that his life.
Speaker 2: Chris Lighty was too full of life, too much love
Speaker 2: for his children and too much love for his for
Speaker 2: this business for him to take his own life. I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody that was closely associated with Chris in
Speaker 2: any manner and you were probably closer to christ and
Speaker 2: I was. We were neighbors, but he was probably homies.
Speaker 2: I'm moving it in our own directions. We had barbecues together,
Speaker 2: we gave our kids someone Christian.
Speaker 1: You were there, Okay.
Speaker 2: He gave him the big birthday party and they both
Speaker 2: slept through it because.
Speaker 1: There was only one years old.
Speaker 2: It's been fifteen thousand dollars a piece on the fucking
Speaker 2: war since all kind of dumb shit, Chris. They turned
Speaker 2: it to the dope park, right, But that's how much
Speaker 2: life Chris had in him. So I will never ever
Speaker 2: ever believe, and I don't give a damn when nobody
Speaker 2: says that Chris Lighty took his own life. That's one
Speaker 2: thing that I will never believe. So your son's back
Speaker 2: to your son's birth Yeah, ye again. Okay, So Chris
Speaker 2: tells me, I'm going We're going by Norrie House.
Speaker 4: But in fact, I'm thinking joy at this time, faccause.
Speaker 1: Continue to continue.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking seeing that mean war report, were getting ready
Speaker 2: to hit the bridge. I'm not going to the fucking
Speaker 2: project and I get some money now, I'm not doing
Speaker 2: that ship. We turned the corner into this fucking beautiful
Speaker 2: fucking honey. And you know, okay, so I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 2: the house is nice, but it's gonna smell reek of
Speaker 2: bead and feet and ship the stink.
Speaker 1: I'm living like a cost yo. When I want that
Speaker 1: fuck me up, I'm like, this nice.
Speaker 2: Way out of his cock because like a ship fucked
Speaker 2: me up. I had to, you know, in my head,
Speaker 2: I'm like, listen, what what normally shoot them up, kick
Speaker 2: the buildings over him, the component and this think of
Speaker 2: you like watching nice couch and shit a section.
Speaker 1: No, honey, Fat Joe told me the same thing, and
Speaker 1: he's like, people don't know you live like this. Sadly,
Speaker 1: I don't think I have in this house. I still do.
Speaker 4: So oh man, man, yo, look all right, let's get
Speaker 4: just get this. So just tell you something. We've been
Speaker 4: trying to do this forever. You know, I said it
Speaker 4: in the intro. If it really for you, you you
Speaker 4: you set the standards because there was other people in
Speaker 4: the radio, but I feel like there was other people
Speaker 4: that was imitating. Like there was one person on the radio,
Speaker 4: then when you got to meet them in person, it
Speaker 4: was a whole different individual. He was You're one of
Speaker 4: the first people that I got to see witness for myself.
Speaker 1: You were who you.
Speaker 4: Were in the radio. You were who you were when
Speaker 4: I sent you in Queens. You want you who you
Speaker 4: were in real life. So we want to give your
Speaker 4: flowers face to face man and man, mister Lee, we
Speaker 4: working up face gives thank you, well, you know something normal.
Speaker 2: That's what I always strive to be because I grew
Speaker 2: up listening to radio like everything Frankie.
Speaker 1: Oh bro oh god, wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, and it gives keep coming beautiful man, Thank y'all.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Yeah, this is the Frankie Cracker every night, right,
Speaker 2: you knew it was eight o'clock when I dare I
Speaker 2: go there Go came on the radio, so you know
Speaker 2: it was eight. And then I would listen to Chuck
Speaker 2: Leonard and the cats like that, and I love Chuckling
Speaker 2: and all that, but he always put on a voice
Speaker 2: list is Chuck Leonard, let's go off school radio school
Speaker 2: radio shit. So I was like, if I ever get
Speaker 2: the opportunity to get on the radio, I'm gonna be mean.
Speaker 2: And the same person that you're gonna get outside of
Speaker 2: the radio is gonna be the same person that you're
Speaker 2: gonna get on the radio. And my man Bugsy big Shot.
Speaker 2: The Bugsy was very instrumental and making sure that I
Speaker 2: stayed that route. And just all you can be is yourself. Man,
Speaker 2: you can't be nobody else. I'm a one on one.
Speaker 2: So that's the way I look at it. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean, I'm gonna do me no matter what.
Speaker 2: I don't even care. I'm just gonna be me fire
Speaker 2: But all right, let's bounce around a little bit.
Speaker 4: One of the most one of the first times the
Speaker 4: industry got to see pot be out of control.
Speaker 1: Like maybe he was out of control before that, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't documented. Was that your m TV rapp where
Speaker 1: you can kind of tell y'all got a relationship already,
Speaker 1: and you know what you're stopping is not going like
Speaker 1: because I don't think. I don't think when you were
Speaker 1: stopping him it was about you stopping him from this
Speaker 1: in the Huge Brothers, I think it was you stopping him.
Speaker 1: And you correct me if I'm wrong, you stopping him
Speaker 1: because you know where this would have led back then.
Speaker 1: The higher option of.
Speaker 2: People said that I was always a person that think
Speaker 2: a little bit sometimes, and uh, I knew when POC
Speaker 2: was going off.
Speaker 1: I was like this ain't gonna be good because you
Speaker 1: got a case.
Speaker 2: So you're actually going on television saying that you did
Speaker 2: what they accused you. So I was like, before you
Speaker 2: bury yourself anymore, let me shut you up.
Speaker 1: Bro, stop because you know and they subpeeded that ship.
Speaker 4: They didn't. You know what's funny about the four this?
Speaker 4: After I keep looking at it, y'all didn't have to
Speaker 4: bleep him. He edited his own self, but he didn't.
Speaker 2: When I look back at it, I'm like, why do
Speaker 2: I have a call?
Speaker 1: Can I vest on a no shirt?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: What the fuck is I think of that? I want
Speaker 1: some sexy ship.
Speaker 2: William, I'm thinking, why did I have a shirt on?
Speaker 1: Always look at the stupid ship? So you also I
Speaker 1: noticed this.
Speaker 4: Your show was on six days a week, Monday through Friday,
Speaker 4: twice on Saturday. Yeah, Dallas a successful as showy.
Speaker 2: I'm being successful.
Speaker 5: You guys were the front line and broadcasting hip hop
Speaker 5: to the world because there was You guys were the
Speaker 5: first one that would word to the entire country, if
Speaker 5: not even further than that.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we're in around the world and people are
Speaker 2: recording it like maybe the world WI. Yeah, we're worldwide, bro,
Speaker 2: and for from my perspective more so than Dre, because
Speaker 2: Drey had already had a foot in the door and
Speaker 2: I really didn't. I was a fan bro Like, I
Speaker 2: would fan the fuck out when I found out certain
Speaker 2: people were coming to the shop.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh my god, public enemy is coming.
Speaker 2: I drink.
Speaker 1: That's how I am.
Speaker 2: Like. I was a fan of the music, so to
Speaker 2: be able to sit down and talk to dudes about
Speaker 2: their music and they and they art and they culture,
Speaker 2: and if you look back at it, at that time,
Speaker 2: it really was about the art. It really was about
Speaker 2: the culture of hip hop. It really was about the music.
Speaker 2: Look at some of them old videos. Nobody sneakers was
Speaker 2: clean son, nobody had afford, no wardrobe style niggas or
Speaker 2: whatever they had, it was no wardrobe change. So you
Speaker 2: had to They wanted to do this ship like you
Speaker 2: wanted to be known as being one of the best
Speaker 2: coming from your neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You want it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like they say pressure makes pikes, right, I mean I
Speaker 2: mean pressure makes diamond right. So when kras One hissed
Speaker 2: the hole and fucking tied queens, which pisched me the
Speaker 2: fuck off because I was like, all of us ain't
Speaker 2: got you got people for them, queens Bridge niggas.
Speaker 1: Sticking out on that south side. I was fucking pitch.
Speaker 2: It put the pressure on Queen And then look at
Speaker 2: what came out of Queens after that. Look at too
Speaker 2: notable ship that has come from that burrow that was
Speaker 2: so highly disregarded and disrespected. That's why I'm so fucking
Speaker 2: proud to come from Queens bro I'm so proud to
Speaker 2: be from Queens. I wear that ship like a badger arm.
Speaker 2: I got king from Queen's tattooed to my arm. Brom
Speaker 2: rocks fresh. They used to disrespect us like crazy, call
Speaker 2: us the desert. Yon is corny right now, Hey, they
Speaker 2: know it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Uh what's ill about that is five percent has made
Speaker 4: that that that derogatory expression the desert. It made it fly,
Speaker 4: right because five percenters took that and it was like,
Speaker 4: oh the desert, and it was like it was cool
Speaker 4: to people from the desert.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They said, Mohammed walked through the desert and all that screen.
Speaker 4: I mean, but uh, I'll tell you what me seeing
Speaker 4: run DMC, me C and l L come before me
Speaker 4: knowing where they're from. It always gave me hope. Was
Speaker 4: that something that that that it was in YouTube?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Being four blocks away from jam Mass and j
Speaker 2: no one want to watch them make it and watch
Speaker 2: Jay have like crabb feasts at his house and inviting
Speaker 2: everybody there. I was there when they sent the buses
Speaker 2: to Hollis Avenue said, anybody want to come to the garden,
Speaker 2: you come for free. That's the night run took the
Speaker 2: shoe off and held it up. They got the Adidas
Speaker 2: deal that night, So everybody wearing a DTA.
Speaker 1: Turn the fucking lights on. Everybody had any deda on
Speaker 1: And that's the influence. They got the.
Speaker 2: First shoe deal of a non athlete, first shoe deal.
Speaker 1: That inspired the ship out of me. Man.
Speaker 2: I was like, if they can do this, and ll
Speaker 2: can do it, and then salt and peppers from Queens,
Speaker 2: and krom is from Queens and cannon players from Queens.
Speaker 2: Veric b is originally from Queens. If you see Martin Lawrence,
Speaker 2: mart Lawrence was in Queens a lot. You got Molly
Speaker 2: and Shan and Chante and nooring them from left racking,
Speaker 2: all of these guys called Queens. Man running them was
Speaker 2: the biggest inspiration from me and Russell than anything else.
Speaker 2: Knowing that they were that close and they were touchable.
Speaker 2: Dmcus to always come around. DMC had the big ass
Speaker 2: bronco with a fucking freezer built into the back of it,
Speaker 2: with nothing before the ounces of old English, a black bronco,
Speaker 2: and he always had a round. I'm like, did you
Speaker 2: got a rhyme? You wass had to fold it up
Speaker 2: rhyme in his pocket? You pull it out, kick a
Speaker 2: round to you real quick. So he was very inspiring
Speaker 2: to me, very relatable, and a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 4: It was one time that they dressed like like different
Speaker 4: and then they took.
Speaker 2: The super nerves. Yeah, with the plaid jackets on over
Speaker 2: that corny ship. That was is their whole style everything.
Speaker 2: D don't deny it, run, don't deny it. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: said they got all that ship from j. J was
Speaker 2: the one that had the DA on the fucking big
Speaker 2: rope and ship Jay did all that. Yeah you know
Speaker 2: Jay isn't man damn Yeah. Rest in Pieces one of
Speaker 2: the one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1: Bro. Now, Also, we love the story. The Grandma y
Speaker 1: story was big.
Speaker 4: Well, well, I love that story because Uh, I don't
Speaker 4: know if Big invented that, But to this day there's
Speaker 4: people who drink half a bottle of shat pang and
Speaker 4: they will mix it with some whole other ship. But
Speaker 4: let me be out, that's with you, the first time
Speaker 4: I heard of any of that ever.
Speaker 1: It is you telling the story.
Speaker 2: You were Big. That's the night he died. That's the
Speaker 2: night he died. That's the night he got killed. Peterson
Speaker 2: auto monial music. Matter of fact, it's funny. Shout out
Speaker 2: Kenny Burns because I just got off the phone with
Speaker 2: Kenny Burns earlier today. Kenny called me because he said
Speaker 2: he was in the gym and he was working out
Speaker 2: and he was mouthing the words the hypnotized Mad loud,
Speaker 2: and he said some dude came up to him and say, yo, Mat,
Speaker 2: just heard ed Love talking about you and about the night. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we were all laying man, and uh, he was sitting there.
Speaker 2: He had had that car accent with seas he had
Speaker 2: the cane and he was sitting there and he used
Speaker 2: to always he would never call me Ed.
Speaker 1: He would Edwin all.
Speaker 2: The time, ed Dwyn and I called him Christopher, Christopher
Speaker 2: ed Dwyne all the time, and he gave me a
Speaker 2: bottle of dom pet and he.
Speaker 1: Was like a little Drea. Shoot.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how the fun I'm supposed to drink half
Speaker 2: a bottle of dom Pete. They got him trunk already
Speaker 2: bring it back to the halfway point, and then I
Speaker 2: did it. I took it around and we was all
Speaker 2: yelling and showed me the money because that movie had
Speaker 2: just came out and we was wilent.
Speaker 1: We giving everybody champion. I brought it back.
Speaker 2: The nigga reached down Paul of ball of Grandma. He
Speaker 2: felt it back up and smacked to me, Now I'm
Speaker 2: looking at this nigga, like, get the fuck out. That's
Speaker 2: what kind of duty was I think that mix? No,
Speaker 2: I d I get the rest of that ship out.
Speaker 4: I didn't drink for disaster, absolutely yeah, bouncing around right.
Speaker 4: One thing about you, I believe we did hot like
Speaker 4: Jamaica one time, right, you remember that. And one thing
Speaker 4: I loved was you immediately became the leader on the
Speaker 4: bus as soon as you came, Like I can tell
Speaker 4: this wasn't your first time there.
Speaker 1: Right, But I felt like, was that ship when you
Speaker 1: were in college fraternity? Like you? How I felt about
Speaker 1: hip hop. You just what I'm saying you, let me
Speaker 1: just tell you something.
Speaker 4: You that day you were angie like being the the
Speaker 4: OG's at that time, especially still now, but it was
Speaker 4: like y'all took control and that was showing us younger
Speaker 4: artists how to move even how to like yo you
Speaker 4: just how you check into the hotel, you to do that.
Speaker 4: I haven't felt like that since, Like it feels like
Speaker 4: it feels like it's more.
Speaker 1: Of a I want to battle you and be better
Speaker 1: than you than I want to teach you situation right,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to turn into that guy in
Speaker 1: my day. You know, we shoued to do this and
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 4: But I just want to also state facts like you
Speaker 4: embrace the new artists. I feel like Asie embraced the
Speaker 4: new artist. If flex like your record, he would embrace
Speaker 4: you and alert yeah, alert everybody right now. And I'm
Speaker 4: not everybody. That name was DJ's and TJ's personality.
Speaker 2: Because no artists. You're saying yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I'm saying yeah, there was artists at that time. Fund
Speaker 1: embraced me, Joe embraced me.
Speaker 2: Uh now it's embraced me. Mark Deep embraced me. But
Speaker 2: I don't see that going on. Do you used to feel
Speaker 2: that fraternity love, because I think I don't feel it
Speaker 2: because I think, first of all, radio has changed. Radio
Speaker 2: has changed so much, and it's okay, everybody wants to
Speaker 2: get their money. But I kind of feel like we
Speaker 2: were still fans.
Speaker 1: We know what we did, we.
Speaker 2: Know the impact that we had in the community, but
Speaker 2: we're still fans, and so at the same time, we're
Speaker 2: excited about talking to you, excited that you was coming,
Speaker 2: excited to embrace you on your new record.
Speaker 1: I feel like some of these.
Speaker 2: Radio personalities think they just as big as the artists
Speaker 2: that they're talking to.
Speaker 1: I never felt like that. I always felt the most
Speaker 1: important thing was the artist.
Speaker 2: So if we could show you by leadership, just how
Speaker 2: you can stop being an artist for a while. Like
Speaker 2: we're on the bus, Nori, we're in Jamaica. You don't
Speaker 2: have to be Norriega right now. You can just be
Speaker 2: who you are. Let's go to Dunge River Falls and
Speaker 2: fucking slip on the rocks and have a good time.
Speaker 2: Let's smoke some bug and chill out. I think Patrin
Speaker 2: was there and she cooked the fucking hot ass chickens
Speaker 2: killed all of us.
Speaker 1: It was delicious though.
Speaker 2: But that's the environment that we always wanted to set
Speaker 2: for everybody, that this is the time until you get
Speaker 2: on that stage to perform, you're around us. We're just
Speaker 2: here to have a good time. All the other ship.
Speaker 2: We ain't gonna stick, no micing your face, ain't nobody
Speaker 2: secretly recording nothing.
Speaker 1: We just wanted to have a good time with you.
Speaker 5: Like, but that sounds like true community where they got
Speaker 5: to a point now where like it's not just radieros
Speaker 5: all of media, but all of hip hop where a
Speaker 5: lot of people jumped into the fold. We didn't really
Speaker 5: care or were fans of the culture, right, so they
Speaker 5: get anything either.
Speaker 1: Right, oh this commit me money, I could jump into
Speaker 1: this lane right and not truly they don't care to cultivate,
Speaker 1: to take care of the culture, do right by it,
Speaker 1: just like when you decided to not rhyme because you
Speaker 1: respected that out of ll.
Speaker 2: How do how do we.
Speaker 4: How do we bring that feeling back? How do we
Speaker 4: bring that community back? Where I could call could call
Speaker 4: the baby and be like, yo, the baby you.
Speaker 2: Know man, I wish I knew man, because I would
Speaker 2: I would love to drop some jewels on these dudes
Speaker 2: on how to keep their money and how to how
Speaker 2: to fucking stay out of prison, and how not to react.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the.
Speaker 2: Biggest things that that they have to learn and that
Speaker 2: a lot of people have to learn, just us period
Speaker 2: as people, that we got to move off of logic
Speaker 2: and not move off of emotion. You can't let every
Speaker 2: time somebody say something to you make you react towards
Speaker 2: them in a violent man or any other man. And
Speaker 2: sometimes you just gotta let that shit be workeed off
Speaker 2: of ducks back and keep going. There's many times in
Speaker 2: my career where I would be in the mall, even
Speaker 2: with my kids. Bro, I'm in the mall and somebody
Speaker 2: behind me like, yo, you know that's ed love. And
Speaker 2: you know when somebody trying to.
Speaker 1: Bait you funck that nigga.
Speaker 2: Man, nobody give a fuck about that nigga. Instead of
Speaker 2: me spending and be like fuck you too and get
Speaker 2: into some shit, I just go all right, y'all, come on,
Speaker 2: let's go, because it ain't worth it, man. It's they
Speaker 2: want to make a name, and especially today, the camera's
Speaker 2: going to start costing you money.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a trap. It's a trap. So if
Speaker 1: they listen.
Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of OG's like yourself, like me,
Speaker 2: and I would love to talk to them.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 4: I would definitely do, and be honest, I definitely would
Speaker 4: like to lend my expertise, but I also don't want
Speaker 4: to waste my time to like you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. I was at that age and
Speaker 1: I know I wasn't.
Speaker 4: Listening to somebody, but if somebody listen to me, I
Speaker 4: would let my time absolutely. I would. You have a
Speaker 4: thought hip hop would get this dumb? Damn No, it's mean.
Speaker 2: People ask me that I think that hip hop would
Speaker 2: get this far.
Speaker 1: Yes, but this dumb?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's dumb.
Speaker 2: I think it's some real, credible, great young artists out
Speaker 2: there that I enjoyed listening to.
Speaker 1: I really really do.
Speaker 2: I just think that the avenue for bullshit is why.
Speaker 1: Wide open bullshit makes more money. Yes, like we get
Speaker 1: how do we close that gap?
Speaker 2: There's other people that got something to say, and then
Speaker 2: there's no balance.
Speaker 1: That's the only problems we had. Balance.
Speaker 2: We had the balance, we had the ex clan and
Speaker 2: public enemy, and then we didn't understand why.
Speaker 5: To mew a in public, and he was the perfect
Speaker 5: balance at that perfect balance.
Speaker 2: And was too.
Speaker 1: He had here intelligence and he has treets on absolutely.
Speaker 2: So if bigging them was saying I mean not big
Speaker 2: if Snooper was saying, bitches ain't ship but holding tricks,
Speaker 2: Lativa say who you calling her bitch? I punched your
Speaker 2: dead in the eye. You calling the bitch? Uplifting women.
Speaker 2: We had Lauren Hill, you know, you had Nikki d
Speaker 2: and all of that Daddy's little girl. You had Eve
Speaker 2: talking about abuse being abused, you know from from the
Speaker 2: perspective of her looking at her girlfriend being abused. You
Speaker 2: had that kind of stuff on record as well as
Speaker 2: us enjoying the hardcore ship. Now it's just dumb ship
Speaker 2: and it's not lyrical at all. You really don't have
Speaker 2: to be nice, which pisces the fucking shit out of me.
Speaker 2: I hate it. You don't have to be nice, you
Speaker 2: just have to be catchy. And they'd be like, it's
Speaker 2: a vibe. It's a vibe. It's a vibe. Okay, this
Speaker 2: ship ain't for me. All right, I'm fine with it,
Speaker 2: but go make your money. I'm happy about that too,
Speaker 2: me too. Make much money as you can.
Speaker 1: Off the ship. You're very happy about that. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't ever like to blame the artists that are doing
Speaker 1: it because make your money. No, I blame the audience
Speaker 1: is fault for saying I want to be this dumb
Speaker 1: but they don't know. It's the artists for dude like
Speaker 1: I can't, can't.
Speaker 2: They will try to add off and then when that
Speaker 2: ship that they try and don't work, they go right
Speaker 2: to the low lows hanging front. Let's think about your face.
Speaker 1: I should be like, oh, ship, you.
Speaker 5: Couldn't get away with no crazy the lyrics in the
Speaker 5: late eighties.
Speaker 1: That's not true. There's always been whacking on, always been whacking.
Speaker 5: It has been whacking seas, but you could barely rarely
Speaker 5: get away with it.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I agree with that.
Speaker 4: But there's always been people who who who got over
Speaker 4: that hump recome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always been that career that so long you
Speaker 1: rapping dudes excutive executive to actually real hip.
Speaker 2: I see somebody interfiting with the wrapping duke.
Speaker 1: Yeah hell yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Vana Ice was trashed too. I love Rapper, I love Rocket.
Speaker 1: We went and we went to Russia together. I love
Speaker 1: to do. But he was not a great raperd we
Speaker 1: gotta take a drink to that. He's named after Pappy
Speaker 1: van Winkle, Robert, give him a new drink, give him
Speaker 1: hm hmm.
Speaker 2: So he came out he could dance though. That was
Speaker 2: the entertainment value into but as a rapper, come on,
Speaker 2: all of us was man at them.
Speaker 1: So Stretch, Yes, let's talk about the super legend.
Speaker 4: I wanted to say queens, but that that'll be so
Speaker 4: limited to New York City, New York City. I want
Speaker 4: to say worldwide, because if you bring up the beginning
Speaker 4: of pop right after Digital Underground, it goes straight to Stretch.
Speaker 1: Stretches from the live squad.
Speaker 4: Stretcher actually brung Tupac to Left Rack City. You know,
Speaker 4: obviously Stretched had a relationship with E Moneybags, who's from
Speaker 4: my building, grew up there before he eat money Bass. Yes,
Speaker 4: so let's talk about that era because you grew up
Speaker 4: with Stretch.
Speaker 2: No Stretch came to me when they was trying to
Speaker 2: get a record there, Tommy Boy. Yes, I got them
Speaker 2: signed the time you got them Sign of Time. I
Speaker 2: played here demo for tif Latifa, set up the meeting
Speaker 2: when Monica and Monica signed them, and then they did
Speaker 2: that short short form video. Okay, that was like three
Speaker 2: songs and short killing people. Yeah that was crazy. If
Speaker 2: there's like nine hundred thousand dollars on that video. Yeah,
Speaker 2: three songs and one long video that connected all the songs.
Speaker 4: And that's because that's the rumor is that Pop reached
Speaker 4: out because Park lighted that gangster ship, like he saw that.
Speaker 2: They met on a set of juice. Oh, they set
Speaker 2: the juice. Yeah, I was in juice. If you blink,
Speaker 2: you miss get her.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Behind, I've been looking for you for when you announces
Speaker 2: came right behind.
Speaker 1: I don't say ship.
Speaker 2: I'm just standing there, but I'm there all day. Just
Speaker 2: ship that ship and we made and we knew.
Speaker 1: Pop because we knew Shock underground.
Speaker 2: We knew Shock, so we knew POC when Pok was
Speaker 2: roady and then Pac was playing Bishop and then them
Speaker 2: niggas smoked like Chimney. So they smoking and talking and
Speaker 2: the next thing you know, boom, they friends. Man, they friends,
Speaker 2: and they was deep friends.
Speaker 1: Too, real good stretch and Pop. Yeah, real good friends. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, asked a hard question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I want to because I don't want to
Speaker 4: blame their relationship on big that they fell out because
Speaker 4: didn't they fall out a little bit before that.
Speaker 2: They were together when the shooting happened. That's gotta be
Speaker 2: the They was together. So, in lack of a better term, well,
Speaker 2: they went into the building together. They walked in the
Speaker 2: building together. Ah wow, Yeah, it was more than it
Speaker 2: was thinking. I think Freddy was there too, and I
Speaker 2: think not fab five fred but my man Freddy from Queens.
Speaker 1: I think he was with him too.
Speaker 4: And everybody knows that's from New York. I want to
Speaker 4: say everybody from Queens, but everybody knows in New York.
Speaker 4: Who was that crew that was affiliated with that Young Guns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, geez e money bags, Gam shout out Gam, shoutout
Speaker 2: homo e money all of them. Yep, so Madge, Stretch
Speaker 2: brother Mann.
Speaker 4: What would who would it be if Pak didn't go
Speaker 4: to Unique Studios that night?
Speaker 2: Unique or Quad Quad sorry Quad Quad whole different ballgame, bro.
Speaker 2: You want to tell me, you want me to tell
Speaker 2: you what I think Pak would have been today? Yes,
Speaker 2: the most impressive actor out of all rap actors, probably
Speaker 2: would have already been nominated for an Academy Award one
Speaker 2: and would have definitely been on the front lines of
Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter. Absolutely would have been on it. He
Speaker 2: was a panther at heart.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: He really cared about his people. He cared, he loved
Speaker 2: his black people. He would have been at the forefront
Speaker 2: of that ship. Definitely would have been at the forefront
Speaker 2: of him. And I believe he'd probably already won Academy Award.
Speaker 2: He was gifted. Bro, that good as an actor. He
Speaker 2: was just natural, right, There wasn't no work for him.
Speaker 1: He was natural. Now I'm bouncing around a little bit up.
Speaker 4: Come come, come back to that now one of the
Speaker 4: other I mean, have so many classic moments. One of
Speaker 4: the classic moments is like the first time I got
Speaker 4: to see Wu Tang all together.
Speaker 1: I gave it so early. Ghost Face had like a dog.
Speaker 1: He didn't even have the usually one of showing the
Speaker 1: space then.
Speaker 4: And I watched that interview. It's so funny to me
Speaker 4: because I know when you're coming up in the street.
Speaker 4: The street taught you at that time not to look
Speaker 4: at the camera, like to be like, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, all of them is doing the same exact thing,
Speaker 4: but you and Ed is holding it down conducting.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: You're talking about when I had the karate gig, the
Speaker 2: karate gill on and that was propable.
Speaker 1: No, no, that's second time. That's the first time I
Speaker 1: had him on.
Speaker 2: At that time, them niggas was ready to kill me,
Speaker 2: my nigga. The niggas did not think that was funny
Speaker 2: at like, I'm behind him kicking in the air and
Speaker 2: bun yeahs was not happy son.
Speaker 1: Oh. But that was after they blew up. That was
Speaker 1: after they brew nigga.
Speaker 2: And the only thing that saved me that day is
Speaker 2: Meth started laughing.
Speaker 1: When Meth laughed, everybody eased up.
Speaker 2: They grey Kawan told me this, Jeers, we was really
Speaker 2: wanted to fuck you up right right there. But that
Speaker 2: probably the second town, the first time I met these niggas.
Speaker 2: Fucking hilarius. I'm on Joe's Beach. It's the Greek Fest
Speaker 2: on Jones. I remember we used to go to Greek Fest
Speaker 2: Jones Beach. I'm Jeans Shawts Tams straight New York Yankee
Speaker 2: hat wife, beat up. Nineteen niggas surround me yo and lover.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, what's good. We're the wou Tang clan.
Speaker 2: I was like world standing down in Brooklyn. We in here, yo,
Speaker 2: we won't give you our tapes.
Speaker 1: I see the Rizza and I said, I know you
Speaker 1: Prince Rock video.
Speaker 2: We love you Rocky. Them niggas lost, No, it's the
Speaker 2: fucking Rizzle Now. They wasn't associating with that Prince Rock
Speaker 2: kshit that she was trashed to them. I did not
Speaker 2: recognize that Jena because he was on GAFEIC. I said,
Speaker 2: the gens, but they didn't really want to associate it.
Speaker 2: They were like, nah, we're the wool Tang clan. We'll
Speaker 2: get you all tape, my nigga, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. So they gave me the tape and
Speaker 2: it was protecting that on one side and the other
Speaker 2: side was method.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I remember getting in my car playing this tape and
Speaker 2: it's the most incredible ship I had ever heard in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: I was like, how do.
Speaker 2: They seamlessly make these many people sound out sound like unit?
Speaker 2: It was nothing like it? And damn all Right after that,
Speaker 2: they were the very first guest we had on when
Speaker 2: we signed on to do Hot ninety seven Morning Show.
Speaker 2: Claim was our first guest. Wow, first guess.
Speaker 1: The way it's from the music matched that exactly. Yeah, energy,
Speaker 1: but that's the Rizzord.
Speaker 2: That's the genius of sequencing from the Rizza understanding who
Speaker 2: sounds best right behind other people. I've asked him a
Speaker 2: question before. He told me he has a version of
Speaker 2: Dream that's him in ghost face.
Speaker 1: It's them too, but he probably like no.
Speaker 2: But when he put Ray and Deck on it, he
Speaker 2: heard it, he said that sounds better than us. I'm
Speaker 2: taking us off. So as a producer, how do you
Speaker 2: have so much love for your clan that you're willing
Speaker 2: to not shine so that they could shine? He said,
Speaker 2: their verses sounded better than what me and Ghost did,
Speaker 2: So we took me and Ghosts off the ship.
Speaker 4: Wow got out really and I believe Rizard and Ghost
Speaker 4: is like the only ones that's really family like even.
Speaker 2: Doing family by married by married my children, my children.
Speaker 1: You had a lot of kids, Yes, yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: with yeah, God damn they love sounded crazy sound to
Speaker 1: be too.
Speaker 4: Did you ever see you ever got to see uh
Speaker 4: Woo and Nas show together?
Speaker 2: Yes that I buy merch. I'm just a fan man
Speaker 2: our asks for ship.
Speaker 1: I want to go.
Speaker 2: Backstage and say how the niggas and just being in
Speaker 2: the presence of them, and they're so fucking funny because
Speaker 2: what they sound like on the record if you just
Speaker 2: around them, that's how they talk to each other. Yo, God, Yo,
Speaker 2: peace God. Like all the skits and ship, they the
Speaker 2: same ship. Bro, It's the same ship. And even when
Speaker 2: they did the TV series, the young dudes that played them,
Speaker 2: when they were around each other, they.
Speaker 1: Talked to each other like they were in character.
Speaker 4: Yes, I told you, just had me scared of death
Speaker 4: and out there he had had Japanese whiskey and vodka
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, I ain't fucking with you because that do
Speaker 1: not go together at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had had he had Yeah, Yamazaki, I believe,
Speaker 4: and he had great Goose and I was like, I
Speaker 4: love Yamazaki, I love Hebiki.
Speaker 1: But I'm not mixing him with no great Goose. Non
Speaker 1: haveving hell no, hell.
Speaker 4: Now, i'mna ask you a question that you asked yourself earlier.
Speaker 4: You ever thought the hip hop and make it this far?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I never thought that I would be this involved in
Speaker 2: hip hop or even even have people call me o
Speaker 2: g uh, call me an icon. I never thought that
Speaker 2: would happen for me, and I'm so grateful that it did.
Speaker 2: But I just knew that hip hop or something special,
Speaker 2: and I knew that all them cats like. I remember
Speaker 2: we interviewed Bruce Willis and he's like, hip I ain't
Speaker 2: gonna do this. I ain't gonna Yeah, he didn't like
Speaker 2: hip hop. My father didn't understand this. My father was like, what's.
Speaker 1: All that deep?
Speaker 2: Anybody can do that? I'm like, Dad, this music is poetry.
Speaker 2: It's the last poets. It's Gil Scott that you've played
Speaker 2: in the house for me a million times. It's pig
Speaker 2: meat Markham. Y'all played picmic Markham for me when I
Speaker 2: was a kid. He was rapid. Here comes to Joe,
Speaker 2: here ye, here ye to call the swing. I'm just
Speaker 2: about ready to do my thing.
Speaker 1: That's wrap.
Speaker 2: And it went just we took it and we did
Speaker 2: something else with it. We took something from nothing at
Speaker 2: all and made something special out of it. So I
Speaker 2: knew once it went that it was the youth movement.
Speaker 2: It was the youth music. It's never gonna go anywhere,
Speaker 2: never going anywhere. Hip hop will never die never.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you we used to it earlier.
Speaker 4: Change the subject for a second. Now you guys blow up.
Speaker 4: You guys get the chance uh to do this movie.
Speaker 4: I think it's new line.
Speaker 1: You got new line, who's the man? Three? Three pitch
Speaker 1: of deal?
Speaker 4: Yeah, three pitch of deal. But what made you say
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick with Ted? Demi as opposed to going
Speaker 4: with Bread because because Ted put me on. He put
Speaker 4: me on.
Speaker 2: He had did a movie, a short film when he
Speaker 2: was in film school, and he put me on. So
Speaker 2: we went in and fought with new line, We're not
Speaker 2: doing this movie.
Speaker 1: Unless Ted directs it. Wow. Because Ted put me on.
Speaker 2: Bro Ted is the reason why I went from a
Speaker 2: high school safety officer in Andrew Jackson High School to
Speaker 2: being worldwide known the next fucking year. That's because of
Speaker 2: tag Ted. Ted pushed the green light. Ted's the one
Speaker 2: that said, I want this unknown guy named Ed Lover,
Speaker 2: and I want this guy named doctor Dre and this
Speaker 2: is what I want. And he fought for me, even
Speaker 2: in the early days when we were a half an
Speaker 2: hour and they was trying to make all these adjustments
Speaker 2: to the show. Ted fought for us. Ted and Peter
Speaker 2: god Rest both they souls. They fought for us. So
Speaker 2: it was a no brainer for me to say it's
Speaker 2: Ted or it's nothing. And what was Ted Roller?
Speaker 1: MTV?
Speaker 2: Ted was executive producer You on TV roll Wow and
Speaker 2: for he was a producer first, and then he was
Speaker 2: executive producer of Young TV Raps, and then you know,
Speaker 2: he just became a big film and television director throughout
Speaker 2: his career. Died way too early, too.
Speaker 1: And wasn't the show one of the highest rated shows
Speaker 1: on him the highest rated show in the fucking history
Speaker 1: at MTVS. Don't let me tell you. Don't let them
Speaker 1: tell you no, only different, right?
Speaker 2: And what fucking pissed me off when they did the
Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary of Hip Hop and NTV did that thing.
Speaker 2: They didn't invite us, they didn't mention it, they did
Speaker 2: say ship. I don't know what the fuck is wrong
Speaker 2: with them. We've been trying to do our own documentary.
Speaker 2: They won't fucking loan out the footage and ship. It's
Speaker 2: just say they be on some bullshit.
Speaker 4: Bro Let me ask you, what would Who's the Mad
Speaker 4: Movie look like?
Speaker 1: Today? And all the Yeah.
Speaker 2: At one point I said, if I did a Who's Too,
Speaker 2: I would want my man from Saturday Night Live, the
Speaker 2: Due Order Impression, Keenan Keenan to play Dre's son. Right
Speaker 2: after drum line, I was thinking Nick Cannon to play
Speaker 2: my son and somebody would kidnapped Dre and I'm like
Speaker 2: a captain or a lieutenant now, and then they rookies
Speaker 2: following our footsteps to find out where Dre is. I
Speaker 2: can see that then, but now with all the young
Speaker 2: young cats in it. But now you got great cats
Speaker 2: like DC, young Fly and all all them cats that
Speaker 2: I'm so fucking.
Speaker 1: Can still blame. Even though he looks your age.
Speaker 4: Right now, he gives me your age age and out
Speaker 4: of your neck just right, keenan. So I heard that
Speaker 4: Dre didn't get his name because everyone thought either.
Speaker 6: Doctor Dre better for doctor Dre or doctor for doctor.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you to doctor Dre from the West Coast
Speaker 2: because we got to try to Russia because of doctor
Speaker 2: Dre from the West Coast. Because they call our manager
Speaker 2: at the time, Charlie Stetler, who played Beca and Crush
Speaker 2: grew Wow and was the Fat Boys manager. That was
Speaker 2: our manager for a long time. They called him thinking
Speaker 2: he managed doctor Dre from the West Coast, and they
Speaker 2: wanted him for the ship called the Festival of the
Speaker 2: White Knights in Russia where it only gets it sounded
Speaker 2: wilding me. I was like, that sounds so clanning ship yeah,
Speaker 2: what happens is it only gets dark for an hour
Speaker 2: and then the fucking sunshine again in Russia. So he
Speaker 2: was like, no, but I got doctor Dre and ed
Speaker 2: lover from your on TV raps and okay, bring them
Speaker 2: and then we bought salt and pepper and fucking uh
Speaker 2: your man vanilla ice with us and we just fucking
Speaker 2: had a great time. And that's because of doctor Ray.
Speaker 2: But Dre got his name from doctor doctor d J,
Speaker 2: doctor J, doctor J because Dre was a little chubby
Speaker 2: ball boy. For the next when they were in Long Island,
Speaker 2: is he also an Andre? He's Andre Andre Brown. Yeah,
Speaker 2: both of the may both Andres. But you know, man
Speaker 2: doctor Dres mac Dre right, Yeah, all kind of trades
Speaker 2: were not that many.
Speaker 1: Doctor Dre's not that many doctors.
Speaker 5: And back then, especially back then, you would be confused
Speaker 5: without social media.
Speaker 2: And when I was on the radio, I almost sent
Speaker 2: a cease and desist letter to a radio person no
Speaker 2: Atlanta called Chris Love.
Speaker 1: I was like, this, niggas not used on Love on
Speaker 1: the radio.
Speaker 2: It's only gonna be one because I went about it
Speaker 2: the right way. I asked scoop and scrap, I could
Speaker 2: I use love a scoo. You don't just buy the
Speaker 2: niggas shiit no ask. They was like, nah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was like, cool, this nigga pop up Chris Love
Speaker 2: of Love. I was like, oh, hell fucking know. And
Speaker 2: then it turned out to be Luda Chris. So I'm
Speaker 2: so glad.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that s been mad at me where
Speaker 5: everybody's little some stills like, how many decades of littles
Speaker 5: have we had?
Speaker 1: Artists?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Little's you know killed me with the
Speaker 2: who I thought should have been little I love the motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But Big Sean.
Speaker 2: The first time I met him, I was like, how
Speaker 2: you Big Sean? Yeah, maybe he didn't want to be
Speaker 2: little Sandy. Yeah, mad littles, little baby is not like Lily.
Speaker 1: They would face that out by now. But Littles is
Speaker 1: still going. He's still going with Matt going for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah you j Young hold Jay still throw Young hout.
Speaker 2: I like it took all the d's, the littles in
Speaker 2: the young, but but who's the man going back?
Speaker 5: Was the obviously the focus always to do a movie
Speaker 5: that was going to expose all these artists, put all
Speaker 5: these arts.
Speaker 2: That was something that Dre and I said, we wanted
Speaker 2: to remember. I don't know if y'all remember Gumball Rally
Speaker 2: back in the days, all them since used to have
Speaker 2: all these cameos, all these cack ball cannonball, cannonball run
Speaker 2: and all that. Even on like the airplane joints. They'd
Speaker 2: be mad cameo. So we was like, we have this opportunity,
Speaker 2: let's give all these rap art stuff. Was a muster roup.
Speaker 2: You know who was supposed to be in it. It
Speaker 2: didn't didn't show up. No Mary j Block. Mary's supposed
Speaker 2: to sing at the funeral. Oh, I don't know what happened,
Speaker 2: but we was there all day. They confined Mary. So
Speaker 2: we're like, like, look, you're singing full for you're already
Speaker 2: in the movie. Mary was supposed to be in that ship.
Speaker 4: To this day, if you're a hip hop fan and
Speaker 4: you watch it as a man, you still notice people
Speaker 4: that you're like.
Speaker 5: Oh, I know that was him, Like you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, this day it was iller because you don't
Speaker 5: you don't see these people camera all the time.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I was still a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't prevalent everywhere. But you're absolutely right, But
Speaker 1: to me, it's Ellen now because like you said, I
Speaker 1: knew these people voices, and now with the Internet, now
Speaker 1: I know how certain people look like Like I really
Speaker 1: didn't know how n w A looked for a long time,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because I didn't get it.
Speaker 4: I was in privilege to see their videos. But when
Speaker 4: I watched Who's the Man, I'm like, Damn. I still
Speaker 4: to this day, like, Damn, that's who that was right.
Speaker 1: There crossing that ship, right we had which with bell
Speaker 1: Ice team Love. How the fuck did you get all
Speaker 1: these people? As them just.
Speaker 2: Asked, had just reached down to ask everybody? Nobody said no.
Speaker 2: Everybody said yes it was. It was just that simple.
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, yeah, why not?
Speaker 1: And Guru too, Yeah recipes?
Speaker 2: Was there anyone who said no?
Speaker 1: Recipes?
Speaker 2: Cypruss is in it too?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Be real? Be real, is my man thom Yeah?
Speaker 1: Be real as hell. Man. I I went to l
Speaker 1: A one time. Be real. Uh invited me to one
Speaker 1: of the Tolo barbecues.
Speaker 2: So yeah, one of them like in the hood, hood
Speaker 2: like straight like Mexican mafia type ship. When niggas sitting
Speaker 2: on the porch with a shotgun. When I pulled up
Speaker 2: and the nigga looked, and then some nigga walked to
Speaker 2: the gate, you know, like when the baby Joker looking
Speaker 2: biggas and scared you sh whole head got a spider
Speaker 2: that kind of ship he walked me. You know, Homie
Speaker 2: had lover it right. I'm like, yeah, I got a
Speaker 2: fucking great time with them, had ball. And then when
Speaker 2: I was getting ready to go back downtown, the niggas
Speaker 2: surrounded me in their calls to make sure you got it,
Speaker 2: wrote me all the way back downtown, and then be
Speaker 2: Real calls me and goes, yo, it was one of
Speaker 2: the homegirls in there that.
Speaker 1: Kind of like you be.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm not, no, no, no, be Real,
Speaker 2: I might be one of them niggas, baby little little joker,
Speaker 2: just a little something.
Speaker 1: I'm not fucking with them niggas, No, sir.
Speaker 4: Do you ever realize like the love you got, like
Speaker 4: you know, by you playing is nutube in the time
Speaker 4: where life wasn't nutu, but you was being newt you
Speaker 4: in that time and it's somewhat I'm not not somewhat.
Speaker 1: It gives you like I've never like And you can
Speaker 1: tell me if this is if I'm bugging out or
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, like.
Speaker 2: I've never really seen somebody.
Speaker 1: Mad at that lover like, and.
Speaker 2: I don't think you will either, Wow, because I'm on
Speaker 2: my fucking business.
Speaker 1: Bro. Even if i.
Speaker 2: Have a conflict with somebody about something, I'm always the
Speaker 2: one that say, Okay, let's talk about it, and we
Speaker 2: can talk about it, we get past it. I think
Speaker 2: that's one of the traits I got from from my dad,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, if it ain't your business,
Speaker 2: it doesn't directly affect me, on my family, on my kids,
Speaker 2: It really ain't got nothing to do with me.
Speaker 1: So I didn't get involved in that ship.
Speaker 2: I was a little upset that Park didn't come to
Speaker 2: Stretches funeral. I was upset and me him and I
Speaker 2: talked about it was in New York. It was in
Speaker 2: New York, okay, And that was one of the ship
Speaker 2: was what Park was his daughter's godfather and so on.
Speaker 2: My so I kind of felt a certain way about it,
Speaker 2: you know, And you spoke about Pa about that. We spoke, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we talked about it. That's when she told me that
Speaker 2: he liked me because I stepped a pack as a man.
Speaker 2: He said, you know, we could have beat the ship
Speaker 2: out here. I said, yeah, I knew it, but he
Speaker 2: was like, you came as a man. I was like,
Speaker 2: leave him alone. He got something to say, leading nigga alone.
Speaker 4: What's the biggest difference between Tupac a Digital Underground and
Speaker 4: Tupac death Row.
Speaker 2: Tupac death Row was coming into his own as an artist.
Speaker 2: Tupac Digital Underground had to stand behind Digital Underground. You know,
Speaker 2: he only really had that verse when the client around,
Speaker 2: when the clown around. He was coming into his own
Speaker 2: as a solo artist right there, able to express himself
Speaker 2: to the heights that he wanted to express himself.
Speaker 5: But he did have the two albums before. It was
Speaker 5: the two or three before death Row days.
Speaker 1: It was like two.
Speaker 2: I think it was I think a big part of
Speaker 2: the difference.
Speaker 5: I mean, you knew him, but it seemed also the
Speaker 5: jail time too, you saw different side of them after
Speaker 5: the shooting changing.
Speaker 4: I always forget the shooting and then jail. I always
Speaker 4: forget that part. I forget the shooting and the jail part.
Speaker 4: All I say is Digital Underground. I always forget shooting.
Speaker 1: Was a fan of Park coming out of out of
Speaker 1: Digital Underground and his first albums were amazing.
Speaker 2: To me strict yeah, tw apocalypse now, Apocalypse.
Speaker 5: Now, and then you know he had the shooting with
Speaker 5: the cops and all that, But he was he was
Speaker 5: a certain version of himself. And then after the Quad
Speaker 5: studio stuff, then jail and then death Row, that seemed
Speaker 5: like a different person a little bit to me from
Speaker 5: outside looking in.
Speaker 2: It's he was growing as an artist, right. People got
Speaker 2: to realize he was young, super young, I said, And man,
Speaker 2: every time, every time I talk on on about Tupac,
Speaker 2: my nigga, I get so much Tubac hate.
Speaker 1: Both kids hate it on too.
Speaker 2: I love that nigga with all my heart and soul.
Speaker 2: We broke brand in my mama's house with this dude.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how people could say that I ever
Speaker 2: hated Tupac.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm just not gonna believe.
Speaker 2: But people try to tell me about Stretch, I'm just
Speaker 2: not gonna believe it. Like we say, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: believe Chris Lighty, I'm not ever gonna believe Stretch set
Speaker 2: pop up in the Quad.
Speaker 1: I'm not buying that. So you said that was because
Speaker 1: I did. I never heard that room, man, If I
Speaker 1: did hear that the nigga Dexter I think his name
Speaker 1: is Dex Lawrence.
Speaker 2: He was one of the dudes that ran in on
Speaker 2: Tupac trying to make a name for himself.
Speaker 1: For some reason, he wanted to say Stretch has something
Speaker 1: to do with it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, come on, I'm not believing. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna believe it. I'm just not that's my dude,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna believe that.
Speaker 1: Ship.
Speaker 2: But it's always niggas that wasn't dead, that's the shit
Speaker 2: that killed me. It's always some twenty nineteen year old
Speaker 2: nigga hit me on my DM and I'm to ask
Speaker 2: you how old were you? I'm ninety teen. And Pop said,
Speaker 2: that's a nigga. You wasn't dead. Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: You wasn't dead, nigga. I can't talk. All I can
Speaker 2: talk about is what I seen. That's all I can
Speaker 2: talk about. I can't talk about what I didn't see.
Speaker 2: I can't talk about an error. I can't tell you
Speaker 2: what fuck David Ruffin. I wasn't around the nigga. Come on,
Speaker 2: does these thigga want to tell me shit? Nother shit
Speaker 2: kill me? That kills me?
Speaker 1: Bro It kills me. I lived the gifted life.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I love that dude with all of my heart and soul.
Speaker 2: And the last thing we said to each other when
Speaker 2: he was coming out of that hotel and I at
Speaker 2: the Betty Boot Bar with fucking Goious, Bishop Donon and
Speaker 2: all of them they got they try to give me
Speaker 2: a home, they try to get me a hole. I
Speaker 2: don't have the capacity. And we talked.
Speaker 1: We talked, and he said, are you come to Son's Club?
Speaker 2: And I was doing something for Chris Latimer on that night,
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, I might stop by. For
Speaker 2: the back of my mind, I'm like, it's the East Coast,
Speaker 2: West Coast beef, y'all get drunk. You're gonna beat the
Speaker 2: ship out of me.
Speaker 1: I'm not going over Vegas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a Vegas that night and I said, I love
Speaker 2: you bo. He said, I love you too, walked out.
Speaker 2: I ain't never been on no track that park was
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: By the figure everybody she kills me.
Speaker 2: It hurts me too. I wish niggas wild stop doing that, right,
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: You want to explain it on the game.
Speaker 2: By the way, part of me wants you to.
Speaker 1: Just the this or that talking about coming.
Speaker 4: Part of me wants you to drink some of this,
Speaker 4: but then the other part does no. I just want
Speaker 4: to be selfish and just drink this dog. This is
Speaker 4: because this is so good man, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I want you to say that. Mama, Mama, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're ready, all right?
Speaker 2: So well, you know you know the rules.
Speaker 1: Then you know the rules.
Speaker 2: If I don't take one of the if I go
Speaker 2: neutrog I still got to yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: And then you know this is not meant to this nobody.
Speaker 2: I hope nobody gets some stack because'm gonnanswer honestly.
Speaker 1: Your stories to any story stories you got TUPAC or
Speaker 1: d m x PO.
Speaker 4: Okay, I know he's gonna say that this one, this one,
Speaker 4: I think we skin a shot.
Speaker 1: But X is one of the illest niggas that everly.
Speaker 2: You got any crazy story with x X. I had
Speaker 2: X when I was a member. I went to Power
Speaker 2: one of five yes, and they bought a starmbuck wild.
Speaker 2: At the end of the morning, I went to the afternoon.
Speaker 2: They still had me on the contract to do the
Speaker 2: morning in case the niggas do something crazy, and they
Speaker 2: did against interview, and that's how I ended up back
Speaker 2: on in the morning. But remember when I was in
Speaker 2: the afternoons, I had Oprah. Yes, Jamie Fox took that up,
Speaker 2: so I had Oprah. So X comes in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: So I'm asking x X, how'd you get there? I drove,
Speaker 2: I said, you just got arrested. Fucking drop that I
Speaker 2: got a call ding my ship definite and he had
Speaker 2: to share with him, not to sure. It was his
Speaker 2: first wife. So the niggas standing there and he's telling
Speaker 2: me this ship. He goes, yoh, go ahead.
Speaker 1: You know, music is playing. We just talking.
Speaker 2: You know. The first time I ever met my wife,
Speaker 2: I told her I loved her, right, maybe first night
Speaker 2: I ever met her.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, he did.
Speaker 2: He told me love it. I said, Dad, to get
Speaker 2: the pussy.
Speaker 1: Then I realized.
Speaker 2: Then I realized that I really did love her. I
Speaker 2: still got the pussy. Told me that nigga told me,
Speaker 2: say yo, I did.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I was going I did what they really want for
Speaker 2: the bitches. I did that song and I took the
Speaker 2: ship to death jam and it was like, yeah, it's good,
Speaker 2: but you need somebody to sing on this ship. This
Speaker 2: shouldn't sound good. And I was like, well, who you're
Speaker 2: gonna put on there, what we're gonna do. The nigga said,
Speaker 2: le's let's get the nigga Cisco. He's on the label Lazard.
Speaker 2: I didn't really you know the nigga, you know, you
Speaker 2: know the nigga the blonde head. I didn't know what
Speaker 2: the nigga was like, you know, you know.
Speaker 1: Is a character? Yeah, he genuine as a motherfucker.
Speaker 4: I tell you, crazy X is my dog is this
Speaker 4: big X came over my crib and made my dog
Speaker 4: a pit bull. I promise you, t cup yokie, this
Speaker 4: nigga DNX, it's on film. I promise you it's on film.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 4: He's this big a DMX came to my dog and
Speaker 4: was like, m and I've never seen this in my life.
Speaker 2: My dog was like, I didn't even know he had
Speaker 2: those teeth.
Speaker 1: That's how X is.
Speaker 4: Okay, Nas or jay Z queens no, okay, alright, cool,
Speaker 4: I miss no disrespect.
Speaker 2: Jay J to me is the probably one of the
Speaker 2: greatest living rappers right now, because I'll say this about
Speaker 2: J and NOAs Nas is an artist artist. Like when
Speaker 2: Nas did the ESCO ship and niggas started clowning him
Speaker 2: about the ship. He finally realized that I'm going to
Speaker 2: do a lot of arts a lot of times. NAS
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck if he make a record album
Speaker 2: with a radio single on it, right He's going to
Speaker 2: make the music he wants, he wants to make. He's
Speaker 2: from Queens, so I'm going I'm going with but Jay
Speaker 2: is incredible. If Jay made a record right now, everybody'll
Speaker 2: be like what he jumped on?
Speaker 4: What we And you know what I like about both
Speaker 4: of them. All of the latest materials sound like them now? Yeah,
Speaker 4: don't sound like them then? And I mean that in
Speaker 4: an accompliment because absolutely, yeah, absolutely when he did the
Speaker 4: four forty five four four.
Speaker 1: Jay did? Who did that?
Speaker 2: I always told Jay I always loved the more more
Speaker 2: introspective Jay than any other j because he's a lyricist
Speaker 2: and I loved him, like when he did the pop
Speaker 2: Love Me raised Me that ship. They get prospective Drake
Speaker 2: jay Z. That's the jay Z I love the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're updated verses of themselves.
Speaker 2: Wu Tang or n w A Wou Tang Woo Tang
Speaker 2: and I love n w A but EP two albums. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Wu Tang and the reason why I say Wu Tang
Speaker 2: is because of what spawned off of Wu Tang, and
Speaker 2: it's access that everybody that spawned off of Wu Tang had.
Speaker 1: If you do that, then you could do that. Lem
Speaker 1: as a legitimate.
Speaker 2: Easy was first and then Dre of course, Cube of
Speaker 2: course it's a great it's a great argument.
Speaker 4: There's a two do it the Colombian and the Dominican
Speaker 4: over there. Those are the two of these questions.
Speaker 1: Tracked the Leniens to Kendrick from n W A absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely l L or Big Daddy Cane ship
Speaker 1: take a shot. I can't. I gotta say l Man
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: I love Kane, but I got longevity counts right, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: that that new album is still fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta go l L new album. Yeah, Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fine. Ready Yeah.
Speaker 2: Lauren Hill or Missy Elliott Lauren Ya none against Missy.
Speaker 2: I love Missy. I love Missy. I mean I love
Speaker 2: Missy too. I took Missy down, so.
Speaker 1: I look, I take it down. She know I love them,
Speaker 1: she knows I love my wife. You know I love Missy.
Speaker 2: Come on, I took definitely love me miss miss beautiful
Speaker 2: beautiful bro. I like the big Missy too, a little chubby.
Speaker 1: I like to hear he has God's back. That's the
Speaker 1: one for me, sir. Hell yeah, I love miss I
Speaker 1: love you, beautiful missus love. I love you, baby, Red
Speaker 1: Man or methey Man, drink.
Speaker 2: Let's drink on that baby. They drink to me, meth
Speaker 2: Red is one of the most underrated rappers.
Speaker 1: Ever than me. Red Man, you said, Red is one
Speaker 1: of the hell He's one of the Illis bro and
Speaker 1: both of them together, their kindred spirits.
Speaker 2: Man a little my nigga one time? Oh God, you said,
Speaker 2: you said, story or let's go.
Speaker 1: I'm a l a. They playing the House of Blues.
Speaker 2: Remember the House Blues down Sunset Nor Remember that ship,
Speaker 2: remember that if she was right there. So the niggas
Speaker 2: called me, they'll come hang out with us. We're doing
Speaker 2: the House of Blues. They right across the street at
Speaker 2: the fucking hotel. I'm in the hotel with them. Why
Speaker 2: did I decide I'm gonna smoke weed with these niggas.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why did that? Don't tell me it was dust? I
Speaker 1: know what done. I never been dust.
Speaker 2: Now I smoke weed with them niggas and we go
Speaker 2: across the street. They send the Sprinter to get the niggas.
Speaker 2: The niggas like, fuck that Sprinter House of Blues is
Speaker 2: right there. We're walking across the street. We just fucking
Speaker 2: walking out in traffic on sunset. We don't give a
Speaker 2: fuck the high as fuck. We get backstage, they get
Speaker 2: ready to go on. I said, I'm gonna go in
Speaker 2: the audience and watch the show. I went home.
Speaker 1: I was so fucked up. I went home. The fucking
Speaker 1: leg was no know where I was at. I went
Speaker 1: the fucking fun bred man and member and many and
Speaker 1: niggas always got this ship.
Speaker 2: With us that we just we just not on each other.
Speaker 2: We see each other. It's not like a hello, It's
Speaker 2: not like yo, what's good? How the kids just always
Speaker 2: look at this big note taking those with boxing gloves,
Speaker 2: fans nigga That's what to this day, That's how we are.
Speaker 2: So I can't choose between them two.
Speaker 1: I would expect that Gangstar or Eric being rock Kimp.
Speaker 2: Ericbing rock Kimp okay, and only because Rock Kim is
Speaker 2: probably one of the most important mcs we have ever
Speaker 2: seen on the faces earth.
Speaker 1: He's the god MC.
Speaker 2: He put words together his lineage. If you go look
Speaker 2: at Rock Kim's lineage. Nas is on that tree, Jay
Speaker 2: is on that tree, Big is on that tree, Guru's
Speaker 2: on that Wrapped is on that tree.
Speaker 1: That everything was aggressive before. Rocky is on that tree.
Speaker 1: Is definitely. We've had a lot of people from Nigga
Speaker 1: you on.
Speaker 5: The tree, a lot of people from different parts of
Speaker 5: the country, from the West coast, from the south that
Speaker 5: you would have thought and they would say, Rock Kim,
Speaker 5: They're part of that lineage as well.
Speaker 1: I love when we have people from.
Speaker 4: The West Coast and then they give us the top
Speaker 4: the top five and they and top top three of
Speaker 4: them usually is the real mcs from back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rock Kim is is dumb important, you know right?
Speaker 1: He said ship. Yeah, and then he said ship.
Speaker 2: That made me say what my name is? Rod Kim
Speaker 2: inlaw and RRA A stand for Rod spinning around.
Speaker 1: It still comes out on and it does like what
Speaker 1: the fuck the seven of them season?
Speaker 2: The line is one of the fucking you know one
Speaker 2: of them? Yeah, takes seven more before yeah, twenty one
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 5: Like the out Yeah, And he was gangster without without cursing,
Speaker 5: absolutely and without saying gangster ship.
Speaker 4: Just think about it, like back then, people used to
Speaker 4: be like, yo, uh, don't let their kids listen to
Speaker 4: rap because of the curses.
Speaker 1: It was never because of the content. People can't really
Speaker 1: understand metal for us.
Speaker 4: So Rock Chim is probably only people that kids was
Speaker 4: listening to, and parents wasn't catching on that this was gangster.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, absolutely, he's still He's still one of my
Speaker 2: favorite dudes.
Speaker 1: Man. I remember I had this Gucci chain on.
Speaker 2: Big stupid Gucci Linguae ship hollow as the motherfucker I
Speaker 2: bought off the ad.
Speaker 1: Right ship was huge. I'm supporting this ship.
Speaker 2: So I'm around Eric, b Rock Cam, their whole crew,
Speaker 2: Supreme Magnetic all them, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So them niggas is.
Speaker 2: The Puerto Rican Supreme Magnetic right and fifty with them real.
Speaker 2: So the nigga tell me, you know, I was gonna
Speaker 2: get you for that chain.
Speaker 1: I was like, what what was that? You know how
Speaker 1: I get down?
Speaker 2: I'm about to get you for that change, But Eric
Speaker 2: and Rod said, you know that's my man at level,
Speaker 2: leave him alone. I said, so, fifth, what the fuck
Speaker 2: do you think it was gonna be the oe coming?
Speaker 2: You're robbing me like you think you're just gonna rob me?
Speaker 2: And I was gonna be okay with it, like the
Speaker 2: are you talking about? But the nigga told me he's
Speaker 2: gonna rob me. Thank you Eric being rock camp and
Speaker 2: got the locks of Run dmc oh, come on take
Speaker 2: a ticket shot, Yeah, come on. Longevity plays a part
Speaker 2: of it, but the Locks have more longevity than Run indeed.
Speaker 2: But they the most important motherfuckers that ever happened to
Speaker 2: me because if it wasn't for them agreeing to do
Speaker 2: that pilot, I would have never been on your own
Speaker 2: TV raps talk about man hell yeah, man, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Super important to me, super important. The queens the period,
Speaker 2: you know, so geez, the first ones on MTV, the
Speaker 2: first ones on Rolling Stone, They did live aid like
Speaker 2: on it was doing stadiums. I remember I did a
Speaker 2: commercial with Run. It was when Beats first started their
Speaker 2: streaming service before they sold it to Apple, And a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know that's what Apple actually bought.
Speaker 2: They bought the streaming service and took their headphones and
Speaker 2: gave very like a billion dollars in Jimmy I V
Speaker 2: and all them right, But it was the streaming service
Speaker 2: because they had the infrastructure already, and Apple wanted the
Speaker 2: streaming service so they bought that. So me and Run
Speaker 2: did a commercial together that actually aired in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: And I asked Run, I said, who was your stiffest
Speaker 2: competition when you was rhyming?
Speaker 1: He said, we did Peter Piper and I said.
Speaker 2: We got one and he said, I got it from
Speaker 2: fairy Tale Lover from UTFO the song fairy Tale Lover.
Speaker 1: And I said, d we need to make a song
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: So we started writing Peter Piper, Pig Peppers and Run
Speaker 2: rock Royn and he said I thought we had him,
Speaker 2: and he said that Nigga LLL came out with I
Speaker 2: Need Love. He was like this motherfucker right here. And
Speaker 2: then I asked him another question. I said, care us
Speaker 2: one disc y'all subliminently, hechers wear crowns.
Speaker 1: The teachers stay intelligent.
Speaker 2: Talking silly Rhyn's on the mic is still relevant, especially
Speaker 2: when you not college material.
Speaker 1: That was a diss to Run dmc jans wear crowns.
Speaker 2: I'm the king of rock, but teachers stay intelligence here right,
Speaker 2: So I asked Run, why didn't y'all say something about it.
Speaker 2: Run said I was doing stadiums and he was doing clubs.
Speaker 2: If I would acknowledge him, I've been pulling him up
Speaker 2: to my level. I said, okay, that makes sense. And
Speaker 2: then he said, and the nigga was nice me, and
Speaker 2: they didn't want to fuck with that. That nigga was nice.
Speaker 2: Podcasts of radio, podcasts, podcasts, and I'm on the radio
Speaker 2: and I'm staying and I have my own podcasts. Come on,
Speaker 2: come on, podcast, I'm gonna tell you why radio have
Speaker 2: to stop operating like it's nineteen ninety three or eighty
Speaker 2: three or eighty seven. They need to go to the
Speaker 2: FCC and say, after a certain time, we need to
Speaker 2: be able to say what the fuck we want to say,
Speaker 2: because that's the reason why people come to podcast because
Speaker 2: you could say whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1: You could be as raw as you want to be.
Speaker 2: You could be as opinionated as you want to be.
Speaker 2: You could be who you want to be. That's why
Speaker 2: they're trying. These companies that have radio stations are investing
Speaker 2: in podcasts because podcasts is raw.
Speaker 1: As you see television change.
Speaker 2: You get the ship roll you get, you know, you
Speaker 2: get the House of the Dragons and crazy ship like that.
Speaker 2: You get dext you get the ship that Dion Cole got.
Speaker 2: You know, the average Joes. It shows like that. It
Speaker 2: ain't the cosmis no more, and radio is still dealing
Speaker 2: with it in that manner. And they don't want to
Speaker 2: make stars no more. Radio used to make stars. They
Speaker 2: made flex a star, They made Me and dre and
Speaker 2: and Lisa stars. They made Angia star, they made the
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club stars. They not want to They don't want
Speaker 2: to be invested in that because they don't want to
Speaker 2: pay no fucking body.
Speaker 1: So podcasting all day, bro. It's funny the way you
Speaker 1: say the uncensored part, because that's why Pirate Radio, at
Speaker 1: least down South so big. That's right that we took
Speaker 1: it was radio, but it was uncensored doing we want
Speaker 1: to do it Luke or Oconelly ockets from Queens. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Luke. I'm gonna say Luke because Luke
Speaker 1: was the first dude that I saw that had his
Speaker 1: own resting plants, his own trucks, his own everything. He
Speaker 1: was Motown before Motown.
Speaker 2: And Luke gave us Trick Daddy, he gave us pit Bull,
Speaker 2: he gave us two Live Crew, wrest Brother mar Keys,
Speaker 2: Poisoned Plan. All that Luke is like to me, one
Speaker 2: of the most important label owners before anybody else. Luke
Speaker 2: had no middle man. It wasn't no Arister above him.
Speaker 2: It wasn't no Sony above him. It was no Interscope
Speaker 2: above him. Everybody else had a boutique label. Luke had
Speaker 2: his own real fucking record label. I used to watch
Speaker 2: the niggas press his records up in the warehouse, sleeve them,
Speaker 2: wrap them and put them ships in the truck and
Speaker 2: go out across the country and on the Luke record,
Speaker 2: Luke Skywalker records before they got them for the Skywalker ship,
Speaker 2: and and and take that ship all over the place.
Speaker 2: Plus Luke's for for our rights to say what the
Speaker 2: fuck we wanted to say on how.
Speaker 1: Luke. Absolutely, we just had Luke go on ahead.
Speaker 2: That's talking about don't get dilly.
Speaker 5: I love Luke talked about he took advantage of all
Speaker 5: the Caribbean and all the pressing plans being here for
Speaker 5: the Caribbean and for because he did took advantage of it,
Speaker 5: was l.
Speaker 1: Two coming long, not be He's a legend man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: arranged me for the petty oh yeah, big up dog
Speaker 1: and Luke and I played in the same playground because
Speaker 1: I came down here and KOD's and all that ship.
Speaker 2: So okay, absolutely, I remember. Get to the airport. We
Speaker 2: come down here to do the look shop a week
Speaker 2: work for your TV rats were looke. We come to
Speaker 2: the airport and it's limo for Ed Love, a limo
Speaker 2: for doctor Dre, a limo for T Money, a limo
Speaker 2: for Ted Dinny. We got four different limos. So I
Speaker 2: get in the limo and there's two naked girls in
Speaker 2: the back of the I get out the limo pulling
Speaker 2: my pants up, and she getting out the limo, both
Speaker 2: of them. So no, Luke said, we with you for
Speaker 2: the night. God, bless you little thank you, very God.
Speaker 2: Sell the fucking right. Moved something nine times in the row.
Speaker 2: He was moving money. I'm moving some of that, my wife, Baby,
Speaker 2: I'm keeping a real mob deep or m O P
Speaker 2: mam Okay, I love m O P too. Billy and
Speaker 2: Fame two of my favorite dudes to be around, because
Speaker 2: they're just such great dudes. And it's it's wonderful to
Speaker 2: see m ops growth right, like they've grown men. Now
Speaker 2: they got family. It's great. Like the niggas was scary,
Speaker 2: m O b was scary niggas, but Mom, because you know,
Speaker 2: Havoc is so ill and recipes and lifetime in between
Speaker 2: the papers.
Speaker 1: Lines on the quiet strong niggas who fight rounds p
Speaker 1: y you heard of them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah a mob deep bro Peper or
Speaker 2: jj Fad Salt and Pepper all day. That's not even close.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love JJ Fat too, but you don't have the history,
Speaker 2: the amount of hits and all that ship that Salt
Speaker 2: and Pepper had, Yes.
Speaker 4: To push it video push Yeah, ain't get up. I
Speaker 4: was at that video said push push it, get up.
Speaker 2: Everybody get up. My nigga acts Trench. Did you trust
Speaker 2: tell y'all introduced him the Pepper? Did he tell us
Speaker 2: that nigga? I had a crush on Pepper? I sent
Speaker 2: Pepper teddy Man flyers on telling Yeah, she didn't like me,
Speaker 2: how about I'm good with that.
Speaker 1: She liked Trench, So what's at the screen break? And
Speaker 1: she was like, what's up with Trash?
Speaker 2: And I was like, but what's up with me?
Speaker 1: He's like trash?
Speaker 2: She liked trash and I was like, yo, treusch Pep
Speaker 2: want to holler at you. And then Pepper turned around,
Speaker 2: introduced me to my first wife, and me and Trench
Speaker 2: laugh all the time because none of this shit worked out.
Speaker 2: We do get vid, We got beautiful kids out of
Speaker 2: the wet.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for the explanation.
Speaker 2: Click rigger Andre three thousand. God damn drinking drinking because
Speaker 2: I gotta take in long chevity.
Speaker 1: I'm drinking. I'm drinking three thousands.
Speaker 2: Ain't doing goddamn three thousands one of the ellis. But
Speaker 2: slick Rick has been sampled, probably as a rap artist
Speaker 2: more than anybody else.
Speaker 1: Like his voice.
Speaker 2: He almost James Brown a rat. Yeah, absolutely, and that
Speaker 2: Great Adventures of slick Rick is such a fucking moment
Speaker 2: I feared he's still doing it crazy. My favorite slick
Speaker 2: Rick shit is uh uh. The pussy started going and
Speaker 2: he grabbed his clothes. He wanted to leave this place.
Speaker 2: At the first he wanted to see the vagina face
Speaker 2: to face. He opened it up with his bad two
Speaker 2: Dumbeys hall crabs with speeds and then.
Speaker 1: Nobody can do.
Speaker 2: Everybody that does double rhyns, everybody that eat from sloop
Speaker 2: to give me the loot, give me alu by Biggie
Speaker 2: that do two different people is because of slick Rick.
Speaker 2: And he gave us Dana Dane the Kingo Crew. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give Slick his props all ways, but three
Speaker 2: thousand had a longer Wait wait, wait tell him. I
Speaker 2: threw a slick Rick and Dana Dane used to battle
Speaker 2: each other. They were in the same crew called the
Speaker 2: Kingo Crew. But they but but but wait a minute, they.
Speaker 1: Were a crew called the Kingo Crew. Fan's right, Slick
Speaker 1: Rick Dana day. Oh, we said they have beef.
Speaker 2: No, no, wow the niggas what ballet's in and you
Speaker 2: know all them ship the fly Baallet's in the fly
Speaker 2: green socks.
Speaker 1: Wow, you picked Andre? I have to pick Andre. He did.
Speaker 1: Jeffuary the shot. We took a shot. Took a shot.
Speaker 1: Don't bind me. I'm drunk. I want to make sure
Speaker 1: we accurate. Okay, I took the shot. I'm all right.
Speaker 1: Oh the symphony Hatbanger Symphony, he said that quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that symphony. The head bangers are pretty important too,
Speaker 1: though very important.
Speaker 2: But but the symphony. No, no, absolutely, because there's no scenario.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna take I'm gonna take this. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take the symphony just because Kate said put a quart.
Speaker 1: In your ass and he played yourself. That was crazy
Speaker 1: and it's one of the first possas like that, Yeah right,
Speaker 1: fat as Scoop or Biz Markey rest in peace to
Speaker 1: both rest poth them take a shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would never disrespect either one of them. This was
Speaker 1: a friend. Scoop was a friend. School was a friend. School.
Speaker 1: I put Scoop on the radio. Wow.
Speaker 2: People don't know that via not directly saying highest Scoop,
Speaker 2: But Scoop worked for Tommy Boy and he would come
Speaker 2: around with the big bottle of Scope all the time
Speaker 2: and he would try to listen to this record, listen
Speaker 2: to this record, and I say, brother, why do you
Speaker 2: have this? Why do you got this? I just call
Speaker 2: him big Scope and he was liked, brother, you gotta
Speaker 2: be you got to be friends. You can't be talking
Speaker 2: when you're talking to the program directed brother right on,
Speaker 2: Brother solid goal.
Speaker 1: At least say that.
Speaker 2: So we took to go do a drop to say,
Speaker 2: listen Andre at Lisa on the radio, fat Man School
Speaker 2: right on Brother Solid Goal. And we started playing that
Speaker 2: this Steve Smith rest in Peace and was like who
Speaker 2: is that guy? And I was like, that's the guy
Speaker 2: from Tommy Boy. Yeah, wow, you know.
Speaker 5: And I feel terrible because we hadmunications for him to
Speaker 5: come on and it's like a lot of people and
Speaker 5: just never ends up happening.
Speaker 1: Grand Dad, that you is my biggest thing, like that.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make it happen. You didn't get you know.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite rapper of all time. I heard you
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 4: I love grand brood Daddy. That's hard, right then, only
Speaker 4: built for Cuban links A reasonable doubt ship, drinking, Yeah, okay, drinking.
Speaker 1: I can't do that.
Speaker 4: I can't do that, and is that both day first person,
Speaker 4: first solo album?
Speaker 1: And Jay was right, we laying down on reasonable Now.
Speaker 4: No, I ain't gonna lie to you. I always say
Speaker 4: this on this show. I always say reasonable doubt went
Speaker 4: over my head because I think I.
Speaker 2: Was broke at that time. Like maybe that for me,
Speaker 2: for me, like not for you, but for me, because
Speaker 2: he stays I.
Speaker 1: Wasn't broke, but I still wasn't doing the ship. He
Speaker 1: wasn't laying to certain ship. And then years later I
Speaker 1: was like, I get it down, but is it twenty
Speaker 1: two that what he said?
Speaker 4: He said a four point on a four point six,
Speaker 4: You said forty grands, Oh my god, I can be there,
Speaker 4: And I was like, damn, I didn't know there.
Speaker 1: Was a difference like the game was in my lifetime,
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck? Yeah? This yeah, no was
Speaker 1: JA was ill man.
Speaker 2: When Jay say we don't drive a file as we
Speaker 2: get him the baby mothers, I was like, God, damn Niggasu.
Speaker 1: Niggas out in the street.
Speaker 2: Je niggas take from the range robe and take the
Speaker 2: four point on plat off the back of the range
Speaker 2: row because the four point six scrolls about forty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars more.
Speaker 1: He made niggas actually.
Speaker 2: Get a fuck if you had a four point on
Speaker 2: you took to get ship off. Jay's influence on pop
Speaker 2: culture is unmatched.
Speaker 1: And he made you wear throwbacks and he made you
Speaker 1: take off. He made you wear the throw back and
Speaker 1: then he took the ship off.
Speaker 2: I don't wear throw backs from the first player jeans
Speaker 2: Nigga buttoning.
Speaker 1: Up, niggas buttoning up. We're all butting up. Jay z
Speaker 1: s like no.
Speaker 2: Love hold man, whole man. That Nigga's social impact is readdigu.
Speaker 1: Yeah he stay in the Dominican section. Nigga, Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: we did speaking to a letting Mark Yo. We did.
Speaker 1: We did powerhouse. We did a powerhouse one time.
Speaker 2: Right, So the Bentley Dealership I mean, I mean the
Speaker 2: Mercedes dealership in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Let me holding may Back for the night.
Speaker 2: So I come to the Powerhouse and I parked my
Speaker 2: may Back downstairs next to jay Z's Mayback to my
Speaker 2: ship right there.
Speaker 1: So after the show, Jay go, Yo, who'se Mayback? Is
Speaker 1: that right there? I say that that's me Hope. So, oh, Eddie, man,
Speaker 1: I'll see what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Yo. Let's go to forty forty club. So me and
Speaker 2: this nigga get in and day back to may Back.
Speaker 2: I got me and my man d my assister were
Speaker 2: rolling Jay and Beyonce another joint.
Speaker 1: We rolling.
Speaker 2: We're going to forty forty club. Traffic is crazy going
Speaker 2: through the Lincoln Tunnel. Jay rolling window around, he waving
Speaker 2: that people. Nigg I rolled the window down and it's like,
Speaker 2: fuck me. But I had to tell a nigga at
Speaker 2: the night. We want you to know that's not my
Speaker 2: may back. It's a loaner because the next time you
Speaker 2: see me, I'm in a hot cord. Yeah, make back
Speaker 2: that night in front of that that Eddie.
Speaker 1: Do that. You can't do that.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna see this ship tomorrow. A big L
Speaker 2: Biggie L's life is cut too short. Yeah, big amazing man,
Speaker 2: he would have been fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: Yea. I ain't gonna take nothing away from Big.
Speaker 2: Signed the rocket. Big he would have signed the rocket.
Speaker 2: Oh my God, that whole was the children of the corn,
Speaker 2: all them cam Him's bloodshed, God rest his soul.
Speaker 1: And Big l Niggas was lyrical right there, Bro's Big lyrical.
Speaker 1: I watched it. It is what it is, what it is.
Speaker 2: Both still they still murder Mason. I'm I'm still waiting
Speaker 2: for you to go in one day.
Speaker 1: To drinks and look like, say want at first then
Speaker 1: and I would say, y'all niggas inspired me.
Speaker 2: Chet this out though, Yeah, them niggas right there, man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Big Lay he was eighties or nineties hip hop nineties. Okay,
Speaker 2: queens or Brooklyn queens all day. I knew that I
Speaker 2: was born in Brooklyn, but it's going to be queens
Speaker 2: all day. Who's the Man or Juice?
Speaker 1: Come on, you guys, are juice really? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Juice had a bigger impact than Who's the Man? Dad?
Speaker 1: Whose man was dope? But Juice was better't I didn't
Speaker 1: think that? Do you think how people say that they
Speaker 1: think that drinking wrong? You think that Park playing bishop.
Speaker 2: Really, people think he took on the former bishop. He
Speaker 2: was already that way, right, That's when them young niggas
Speaker 2: as seventeen and that's what they think. No, that was
Speaker 2: already he was already on. That was he was always
Speaker 2: going to be pop. Wow, it was gonna be No.
Speaker 1: No. Juice was absolutely the catalyst that blew him.
Speaker 5: They just showed how talented he was. Absolutely right. Fat
Speaker 5: boys are the beastie boys.
Speaker 1: I'm drinking.
Speaker 2: I'm drinking and the only reason why I'm drinking is
Speaker 2: because Charlie used to manage the fat boys and they
Speaker 2: had an impact. They had a huge impact. I think
Speaker 2: they don't get enough. People forget about them. People forget heavy,
Speaker 2: and I don't know why they do that.
Speaker 4: We were talking about heavy heavy then Biggie pun Yeah okay,
Speaker 4: but have made it cool to be a big name.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay. After the fat boys was first, but fat
Speaker 1: boys more novelty. They were not to say like that
Speaker 1: because I loved the fat boys, but they wouldn't fly.
Speaker 2: They was fat boys. They were fat boys. You you
Speaker 2: were cool, fat boy. It was cool and it was
Speaker 2: cool because I'm flop with all that stuff. I'm making
Speaker 2: dance in France to you and pumps no way of me. You'
Speaker 2: miss stuff, big stuff niggas like I'm big nigga. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it's cool.
Speaker 6: Heavy was flying fucked your big and Doss Sales went
Speaker 6: to the room. Yeah, absolutely, Rochester big and but what
Speaker 6: fat boys did? I think also for hip hop is
Speaker 6: also entered the Hollywood space with this. They did, they
Speaker 6: did like and they were image.
Speaker 2: They shotted that and then after that came Uh Canning
Speaker 2: playing ship yep, and then right after that came Lo
Speaker 2: was the Man.
Speaker 1: They opened the door for up. That's why I think
Speaker 1: they're underrated and they deserve more props.
Speaker 2: Analog or digital. Analog, Thank you analog, because digital is
Speaker 2: any and everybody. Analog you had to be good, like
Speaker 2: what analog. You had to spin three hundred dollars on
Speaker 2: a two inch tape and you couldn't fuck the ship
Speaker 2: up and you couldn't do it in your base We're
Speaker 2: going to start with, right, You.
Speaker 1: Couldn't do it in your basement.
Speaker 2: You couldn't get in the studio studio one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty two hundred three fifty an hour. Yeah, unless she
Speaker 2: was at the ship and Queen or maybe DN d
Speaker 2: Early you could have fought no fucking studio time, No analog. Definitely,
Speaker 2: That's why the sale of vinyl is gone through the roof,
Speaker 2: because analog is just better. It's better because you went
Speaker 2: to the store to get the record. You went to
Speaker 2: the store. I remember when get Richard died, trying came
Speaker 2: out and Christmas my next door neighbor, but he didn't
Speaker 2: even have a copy for me. And I was running
Speaker 2: around the record store is trying to find trying to
Speaker 2: find canes, long liveded Cane, trying to find that record
Speaker 2: so I can have the hard copy. Y'all have look
Speaker 2: a man, Remember you said about owning your music, throwing
Speaker 2: around my record breaking up.
Speaker 1: I remember the stuff you gave me on racks. I
Speaker 1: still have it.
Speaker 2: That ship means something to me. Like Bojo said, if
Speaker 2: I don't pay my phone bill, I lose my music.
Speaker 2: I own it.
Speaker 1: It's it's a different thing. So I'm gonna go analog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that Kris Won or cool
Speaker 1: Gie Wrap.
Speaker 2: I'm drinking, okay, yeah, I'm drinking. I'm drinking only because
Speaker 2: g rappings from queens. We drinking Boden and Chris is
Speaker 2: one of the Ellis Niggas. Oh man, I can't treat
Speaker 2: that both to riches.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm cheating because as we go on,
Speaker 4: the shots get smooth. They do not get harsher, they
Speaker 4: get smoothly. That's an illusion.
Speaker 1: Now we're pappy Pappy. I was just pat delicious. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's delicious, red lure or kicking pree mm hmm. Drinking okay,
Speaker 1: cheerious than send them two legends. Yeah I'm drinking.
Speaker 2: For real?
Speaker 1: Or yeah, drinking? Damn Now I feel like he just
Speaker 1: wanted to drink. Drinking drinking.
Speaker 2: Ain't telling us no stories and he's started for Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: what yay?
Speaker 1: Me and my man Tom.
Speaker 2: Big up to my man Tom, one of my best friends,
Speaker 2: one of the first ones to ever do parties in
Speaker 2: Mars twenty one twelve, Yeah, we did a Latrell's free Well,
Speaker 2: welcome to New York.
Speaker 1: Can I stop me for one second?
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me just describe what he just described to
Speaker 4: you that Mars w one twelve, was that what year?
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what year?
Speaker 2: Because I wanted to tell you And where's this place?
Speaker 1: This is in New York City? This is New York Square, Right.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get in this club at all. I wanted to.
Speaker 2: I wanted to know what year is this is? It
Speaker 2: is a welcome to New York LA Trou's Freewell just
Speaker 2: signed to the New York Can you can you figure out?
Speaker 2: So Paul on the sports LATREUS three well signing to
Speaker 2: the New York next?
Speaker 1: Yes, what is this?
Speaker 2: And outside the club was a young man by the
Speaker 2: name of Kanye West that couldn't get in the party.
Speaker 2: And he introduced himself to me, said, my name is
Speaker 2: Kanye West. I'm ana producer. I produced for Rockefeller. I'm
Speaker 2: over here, and what do I need to pay to
Speaker 2: get in the party? And I said, man, you just
Speaker 2: come on and you're down with hovering up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on in? Yeah? And for real he was,
Speaker 1: you know he was, you know, for real? Is the
Speaker 1: motherfucker that wrote All I want to Do is that's
Speaker 1: a classic classic right there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Teddy do the talent show to get
Speaker 2: the niggas a deal and them niggas is producing.
Speaker 1: Teddy was taking the credit, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Beef between tribing them. But yeah, that was crazy. That
Speaker 2: was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can't I can't choose Clips or dog
Speaker 1: Pound Clips.
Speaker 2: Push your t is one of my favorite mcs bro
Speaker 2: and with him and Malas together, my nigga.
Speaker 1: The ship them niggas was saying. The ship they were saying.
Speaker 2: Was real like drugs dealers, like real drug dealers. Knew
Speaker 2: that they were telling the truth. It wasn't like making
Speaker 2: up ship like you were telling me. You could tell.
Speaker 1: Like he was like he was like a print so
Speaker 1: I could do this and that. Two little black niggas
Speaker 1: fight like that. Like no, they were real and really quick.
Speaker 1: Dog Pound new album is dope, and I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to the new Clips. Yeah, I heard about the Clips album.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: I like when niggas don't stop making records, that's a
Speaker 2: sign that got a new album out.
Speaker 1: I love the ship. I just like when niggas just
Speaker 1: don't stop, like.
Speaker 2: You don't outgrow and and are in general like the
Speaker 2: other art form. They don't stop and still got ready
Speaker 2: coming out while we got to stop.
Speaker 1: One one is going to church and one is still
Speaker 1: drug dealing. But they both went. You know what, that's balance,
Speaker 1: that's balanced.
Speaker 2: Malas is back announces performing again with his brother. Yeah, drinking.
Speaker 1: Anna sit, I feel like he's gonna be on that
Speaker 1: rock ship, like it's gonna be hardcore.
Speaker 4: Praising the Lord. I don't respect that. He ain't gonna
Speaker 4: say no crazy ship. But he out in the clubs again.
Speaker 4: I respect that too. Yeah, son, God bless you me
Speaker 4: with you at least in the Louis guitar clubs. I've
Speaker 4: seen him in there, Brand Nubian or Tripical Quest.
Speaker 2: Try and there's nothing against my I got a personal
Speaker 2: relationship with Lord Jamal.
Speaker 1: That's my man. My wife and his wife are really
Speaker 1: good friends. That's my man.
Speaker 2: But Tribe bro low in Theory Midnight Marauder's tribe bro
Speaker 2: Tri Tribe was the Layman's Daylight Soul Tribe was more relatable,
Speaker 2: you can because Daylight so ron patterns, was so fucking incredible.
Speaker 2: But a lot of times he was like, what is
Speaker 2: these niggas talking about?
Speaker 1: And Daylight came technically first, right, yeah, just because said
Speaker 1: I look acute.
Speaker 2: He say black and black, remember, Yeah. But besides that,
Speaker 2: a lot of the ship to be like, what is
Speaker 2: they talking about?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite records, and I kind of
Speaker 4: still don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 5: From you know what it is that we're all just
Speaker 5: getting daylight now like all the props unfortunately that.
Speaker 1: But we just get It's like they deserve everything they was.
Speaker 2: What where everybody talking about relationship goals lots day that's
Speaker 2: relationship goes. They could do whatever they were and none
Speaker 2: of the niggas ever made a solo record, Positive and
Speaker 2: Dove never went so long they did they together, They
Speaker 2: could have easy, you know the way the Locks respect
Speaker 2: each other to do their solo ship.
Speaker 1: But they're still Locks no matter what. They respect their
Speaker 1: group more than they respect Yeah. Well yeah, but Jada,
Speaker 1: them niggas get Jada and Style is getting that solo
Speaker 1: money and she absolutely getting that solo money. Motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Jada is getting ready to come to Cobb County, Georgia,
Speaker 2: cop Energy Center coming up.
Speaker 1: I think in December with a symphony. Uncle Street'll be
Speaker 1: there to shout out to Jada. Now that's Jada by
Speaker 1: itself or the hotel.
Speaker 2: Of course the Locks will be there's Bill as Jadakiss
Speaker 2: like Jadakiss pause in Panama with Jadakiss man doing some
Speaker 2: ship with them for somebody didn't think Florida, Panama, Panama
Speaker 2: and I got to hung out, hang out with Jada
Speaker 2: and my nigga the ship that he was some of
Speaker 2: the ship. He was telling me, like, Yo, I got
Speaker 2: tired of get apart from my ship.
Speaker 1: Nigga.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of niggas didn't know until the beef,
Speaker 2: until the day until the.
Speaker 1: Ship, people didn't know that that nigga rose. So what
Speaker 1: you want to do? Only you know your DJ.
Speaker 2: A lot of the regular niggas ain't know that he
Speaker 2: wrote that ship.
Speaker 1: Ain't know that that's well they got out of Dodge
Speaker 1: the Rock or Rough Riders Rock Rock.
Speaker 2: Jay z is too is to important access to because
Speaker 2: X was like, what the only nigga that had to
Speaker 2: number one album.
Speaker 1: In the same year, but he put up Yeah, last
Speaker 1: question a quick time slime, did you get back to
Speaker 1: the interview? Loyalty or respect? Respect? Why?
Speaker 2: Because loyalty wanes depending on what you're giving. If you
Speaker 2: keep giving, motherfucker's gonna be loyal to you. But respect
Speaker 2: lasts a whole lot longer. Like me, I have been
Speaker 2: respected for such a long time that I would rather
Speaker 2: have respecting fake loyalty.
Speaker 1: Loyalty sometimes comes at the courts. Respect pretty much does
Speaker 1: to come at the court. So I would rather be
Speaker 1: respected Okay, this makes a noise for that. Now. Is
Speaker 1: it true you and miss Jones had a beef at
Speaker 1: one point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was with Staring Buck wilding them in
Speaker 2: the morning, talking reckless about me and I'm don't want
Speaker 2: to put it on the radio, but it's all going
Speaker 2: under the bridge.
Speaker 1: But what happened, like I mean, especially if it's water
Speaker 1: under the bridge and it's all gone. So what happened?
Speaker 2: You put Miss Joe Jones came because she had that
Speaker 2: way I want to be joint out.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I liked her and I thought she was dope.
Speaker 2: And I told Steve about her because she was up
Speaker 2: there a lot and see Smith.
Speaker 1: Steve Smith.
Speaker 2: And then she got with them and there was some
Speaker 2: words said, you know about us when we was at
Speaker 2: Power and they think they were still at Hot ninety seven, and.
Speaker 1: You know, they took go on a beef for Hot
Speaker 1: ninety seven.
Speaker 2: They was for Hot ninety seven and me and Dre
Speaker 2: and came back from LA and Wiz on Power. There's
Speaker 2: some foul ship said, and I was like, remember I
Speaker 2: got on the phone. I was like, Jonesy, we don't
Speaker 2: own these stations. What the fuck are we talking about? Right?
Speaker 1: Now, but but you know it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I remember at one point I could go to South
Speaker 4: Carolina and they could hear me in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Immdiation, like they didn't have no beef.
Speaker 4: Immediately when New York opened up another station beef from
Speaker 4: the get on the gate, it was like it was
Speaker 4: like bloods and grips, like like I mean, let me
Speaker 4: not say that because if you have, because you went
Speaker 4: to because that power. Okay, So this drive us the
Speaker 4: situation because outside is looking in.
Speaker 1: You guys to us. And I had beef with Murder
Speaker 1: Height what the fuck? Yeah? How I had beef for
Speaker 1: Murder Inc.
Speaker 2: Because one of the dudes that they had signed to
Speaker 2: the label had got shot and killed an ol'connell Park,
Speaker 2: a young dude.
Speaker 1: I can't his name, God rest.
Speaker 2: And I said something, and I said, it's no disrespect
Speaker 2: to death Row or Murder Ink, but there's a certain
Speaker 2: order that's going to happen when you name your company
Speaker 2: something like that. I said, death Jam was d e
Speaker 2: F Jam, And I said, no disrespect. They went on
Speaker 2: staring buck while trashing me. Wow on me, it's soft
Speaker 2: murdy ruling, ruling, fucking herb.
Speaker 1: And I called my sister My sister was the receptionists
Speaker 1: in Death Jam.
Speaker 2: Oh Wow Wow song your numbers my sister and I
Speaker 2: told my sister, I said, tell her I'm coming up
Speaker 2: there to see him. She said, don't come up here.
Speaker 2: Premump here all the time dreams with them. And I said, okay,
Speaker 2: now it makes sense, right, Why yall niggas talking hard?
Speaker 2: And but it's all water under the bridge because Ron Gutter,
Speaker 2: who is John Ruth's best friend, it's my niece's father,
Speaker 2: see how to work out.
Speaker 1: Came together.
Speaker 2: So then I just did the least Alsa Cold Jam
Speaker 2: movie and Ron Goutn's a producer on it. So it's
Speaker 2: all going under the bridge. Words get exchanged where they
Speaker 2: really don't mean nothing.
Speaker 4: But but but still, I know, I know it's water
Speaker 4: under the bridge. But I want people to understand, how
Speaker 4: cuci you? It was for New York rated because I
Speaker 4: could give my part of it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I had a record called Grammy Grabby was number one.
Speaker 4: It was a shootout in front of hotinety seven. I
Speaker 4: got banned in front of everything. I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: You weren't even there, right, They just did that on
Speaker 2: on TV one, You know that, right? No, I did
Speaker 2: not know they just did the whole little Kim ship
Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, they said you wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I was not saying they said I wasn't there. Finally
Speaker 1: you were there. They actually said, look like.
Speaker 2: And I was kind of pissed, but I was like,
Speaker 2: why y'all ain't talked to a few more niggas that
Speaker 2: were actually around that day?
Speaker 1: Yea, because I wasn't. He wasn't. But what I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: so that shit happened.
Speaker 4: I got banned from every radio station, even radio stations
Speaker 4: that didn't like and it's broadcast at the time.
Speaker 1: That's what it was, right, and it wasn't clear. Channel Right.
Speaker 4: Still took their side, and Russell Simmons, who you picked
Speaker 4: up earlier. Russell Simmons personally came went to what her name,
Speaker 4: Tracy Clarity or Tracy because Clarity, Tracy Clary Church Clarity,
Speaker 4: and said, you can't spank somebody for a person that
Speaker 4: that wasn't there, Like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you can't. You can't, right, they can't fault you,
Speaker 1: you can't fault me. I became back number one because
Speaker 1: Grimy was number one in the whole country. But when
Speaker 1: Honey seven pulled my record and it's broadcast.
Speaker 4: It's set a thing. But then Power one five came
Speaker 4: like a couple of weeks later. Remember Mike Cat Mike
Speaker 4: Kyser saying to me, it's my boy, Mike. There's two
Speaker 4: episodes in the world and talking. But everyone was saying,
Speaker 4: we flipped the switch. I was the only artist that
Speaker 4: technically wasn't allowed to say.
Speaker 1: Just got back. Just so if you listen to Earler
Speaker 1: early drops, I have all the early drops. So all
Speaker 1: Power on Fire.
Speaker 4: Every single person that Death Jam, you know Death Jams
Speaker 4: was enforcing this label. Was like, yo, we're not only
Speaker 4: going to have you know Hot, We're gonna have this
Speaker 4: laby and by the way, I'm gonna be honest. Power
Speaker 4: on five first came out, people didn't think it was
Speaker 4: going to work.
Speaker 1: Right at all. It was the underground. It was the
Speaker 1: anti Hot ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Flex got into a beef, right, yeah, because because I
Speaker 2: was on Power and Flex was on and Flex was
Speaker 2: on Hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got into some ship.
Speaker 4: Yea was yeah, I was okay, okay, Steph Love okay,
Speaker 4: but y'all was friends before you and absolutely friends now, right,
Speaker 4: So so what was.
Speaker 2: The Steph Love us ship? He had him and Steph
Speaker 2: got into something, and Steph was with us in power okay,
Speaker 2: and they got into something about her being around there something,
Speaker 2: Flex had words something. I was just on the radio like, yo, man,
Speaker 2: you can't get on a girl like that. Then he
Speaker 2: went on his show that seven o'clock wilding on me.
Speaker 2: And then I just came back like dog like, let's
Speaker 2: meet in forty second Street com squad, just me and
Speaker 2: you are like I'm a fucking punch in your face,
Speaker 2: like the fuck. And then we got on the phone.
Speaker 2: It was like, Yo, we don't own these states. It's
Speaker 2: like we're fighting up some ship that we don't own.
Speaker 2: Like this ship is stupid, it's retarding. And Flex has
Speaker 2: championed the ship out of me ever since I've been
Speaker 2: back on ninety four to seven o'clock.
Speaker 1: He is champion and that is the correct.
Speaker 2: No, that's a whole different that's Odyssey. Oh, that's company,
Speaker 2: a whole different company. But Flex, it happens like that sometimes.
Speaker 4: Man, who's who's on Odissey right now on that station
Speaker 4: was on there, Siphon is dead, Miss Jones in the morning, okay, scratch,
Speaker 4: Kelly Wade, me, DJ big Ben and we just lost
Speaker 4: Missississist on fat.
Speaker 1: Man Scoop had just started. Oh wow, yeah, we lost school.
Speaker 2: I never understood why these radio stations with beef.
Speaker 1: Like it was some s It was territorial. It was
Speaker 1: never going to mount anything.
Speaker 2: But some of the talk was crazy. Talk was ridiculous,
Speaker 2: like you should have expens shretened me and I threaten
Speaker 2: niggas right back they doing crazy ship.
Speaker 1: It was we're going to get that. I don't play
Speaker 1: with my family.
Speaker 4: And it was clearly at one point like if you
Speaker 4: give you a record to Power.
Speaker 1: One O five, stay there like get that part.
Speaker 4: And then it was like you give you a record
Speaker 4: to flex clue, ain't taking your ship. At one point
Speaker 4: like and it was just like damn, like you really
Speaker 4: had to draw a line. It was really like some
Speaker 4: gang ship really had to go one.
Speaker 1: Over the other one. You know.
Speaker 2: One of the first times I interviewed Nor as a
Speaker 2: solo artist, he came to the station and the first
Speaker 2: thing I asked him is due the Neptunes really got
Speaker 2: a cockass fan because I thought it was all line
Speaker 2: you know, run last around the English channel. Nettunes got
Speaker 2: a Coga spank.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, the niggas had a cops.
Speaker 4: Crazy like I ain't got you say some ship like that,
Speaker 4: because back then we were laying guns to dogs, so
Speaker 4: we were saying back wilders and so if you listen
Speaker 4: to the lyric, I said, Neptunes, I got a cocko
Speaker 4: span you, meaning like I got the little due.
Speaker 1: But uh yo, do you.
Speaker 2: Realize that you were kind of like an influential your
Speaker 2: rhyme pattern kind of influenced Ghost Face, not ghost.
Speaker 1: Because he don't say any thing. Let's take a shower,
Speaker 1: take a shot.
Speaker 2: When Norman was one of the first niggas that would
Speaker 2: say ship, that don't mean no ship, said.
Speaker 7: Quitted that my life, say the ship, but there the
Speaker 7: colored felfy ropes to, like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: Like, what are you talking? Norman? Was that nigga? Kick right? Norman?
Speaker 1: Was that nigga the congo span your ship? Oh come
Speaker 1: rord umberto? What's the fuck the Unberto like a Mexican
Speaker 1: you would say Spanish? When he said it didn't even
Speaker 1: make sense. I was like, That's what I'm saying. Yeah
Speaker 1: he was trying. Yeah, nobody would conrect me in the studio.
Speaker 1: I would always listen to him, like what the fuck
Speaker 1: is Normy talking about? But I got it. So then
Speaker 1: when I heard Ghosts, I was like, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of norri right.
Speaker 2: Gloria said, ridiculous ship on records, but it was flying.
Speaker 1: Ghost ship is flying.
Speaker 2: What my favorite ghost records is the Halla Halla, the
Speaker 2: nigga rhyme with the niggas still singing.
Speaker 1: On the records.
Speaker 8: The niggas like me, I'm coming you and this nigga's
Speaker 8: rum man. I'm like, yo, she didn't give a fuck
Speaker 8: was coming. All he did was come back in all.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, this niggas hell, That's that's hip
Speaker 2: hop for your ass.
Speaker 1: I put it together, put together, I put that together.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of right there. So road call, did
Speaker 4: you get y'all got that from the Baker Boy? Yes
Speaker 4: we did, and I asked my mission, shout out to
Speaker 4: the Baker Boys. Shout out to the Baker Boys all.
Speaker 4: Steve Smith problem wanted to jack the ship straight.
Speaker 1: He just told, you're gonna say, this is what the
Speaker 1: Baker Boys is doing.
Speaker 2: Listen to this, y'all should do this. I said, I'm
Speaker 2: not doing it until I talked to them.
Speaker 1: Now, the bigger boys is in l Let's. It wasn't
Speaker 1: there in San Francisco. L I went to l A
Speaker 1: for a summer of ninety two ninety three and I
Speaker 1: heard him doing that.
Speaker 2: They were doing the road call, so Steve gave it
Speaker 2: to us, right tape, listen to this, here's some work.
Speaker 1: In New York. I said, I'm not a bier nigga.
Speaker 1: It was against the law, especially back then, right. I said,
Speaker 1: let me call them, get him on the honorable man.
Speaker 1: Let me ask, and they was like, yeah, y'all got
Speaker 1: ahead to do it if you want to. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: let me put a little spin on it. And the
Speaker 1: ship took off like crazy. I still got people that
Speaker 1: walk up to me and like was on the road called.
Speaker 1: I was like fifteen, like that ship was crazy. Shout yeah, man,
Speaker 1: shout out to them. Many left, Yeah, man was legend.
Speaker 1: They used to be used to play the trumpet. Mm hmm,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is the trumpet.
Speaker 2: That ship?
Speaker 1: Yeah, trump bone? He said, trump bone. That's a clarinet
Speaker 1: three three only three correct to be wrong? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: how you correct me twice?
Speaker 2: Wrong?
Speaker 1: Wrong instrument? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I played the trumpet for along. I was in a
Speaker 2: funk band. B they I got Yeah, I love it
Speaker 2: presents a lot mixtape.
Speaker 1: But then I was playing the instrument.
Speaker 2: They I got pictures of me in Pink Span Dex
Speaker 2: boh Funk Ship, High Boots, Rick James Ship Confunction Ohio players,
Speaker 2: Like that's that was mine on Guns and Roses ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was on some Rick James.
Speaker 2: Ship, like for real, Like I'm still real cool friends
Speaker 2: with all of them. And that's with ed love and
Speaker 2: a mixed live mixtape band is just full circle for me.
Speaker 1: Three hundred and sixty degrees.
Speaker 2: I got two fantastic singers, uh carry Outs and and
Speaker 2: and my man shirt Wood.
Speaker 1: I got a full band, and I just do all arounds.
Speaker 1: I do all around. I do j I do fucking
Speaker 1: mind playing tricks on me.
Speaker 2: But it covers.
Speaker 1: We do cover.
Speaker 2: That's dope. We do covers and everybody just come out
Speaker 2: because it's it's it's for the people. I remember this
Speaker 2: music when the music was pure, when the music was
Speaker 2: was great. I do Nelly's ship. We do everything, man,
Speaker 2: we just have a good time. We sold out, we
Speaker 2: just came off the city Wanted Retort, sold out every
Speaker 2: city and we're just having a fucking good time man,
Speaker 2: just doing music. What is the newest MC right now?
Speaker 4: I'm talking about new under ten years that I listen
Speaker 4: to that that you at least like a song from
Speaker 4: them or something.
Speaker 1: Ship none.
Speaker 2: Under ten years because I fucked with j Cole and
Speaker 2: that young Lady three three D ninet. She's fucking dope
Speaker 2: to me, man, snow a leg ru she's a singer, right,
Speaker 2: n you know, No, because Young Thug been around for
Speaker 2: more than ten years, right.
Speaker 1: Ye, young dug?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the migos, I love them niggas. I was
Speaker 2: surprised the niggas knew who I was when I met
Speaker 2: him on TV raps jackets when I met him, no way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like my uncles used to watch your He look
Speaker 2: at this ship like, I was shocked. They gave me
Speaker 2: so much love. Young Thug gave me a lot of
Speaker 2: fucking love.
Speaker 1: Really, Where was this? Where was this? That?
Speaker 2: In?
Speaker 1: Uh? In Atlanta? I met him atlant Atlanta. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: The new new Okayli Chopper, the.
Speaker 1: Fucks with him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Complex left him off the list, and I'm
Speaker 4: with him. I'm with him yet Complex, y'all wild and
Speaker 4: Chopper but on my owner list maybe top five on
Speaker 4: the list of twenty in the twenties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not trash. No he's no, he's not at all,
Speaker 1: and he got a character too. I love you know that.
Speaker 1: You know what I love.
Speaker 4: You Know what I don't like about someth all new
Speaker 4: mcs is they give you them two three word answers
Speaker 4: when they're doing an interview. Because if I like your music,
Speaker 4: I actually want to like you as a person too,
Speaker 4: because I don't want to appreciate the bot. I'm not
Speaker 4: Ali Chopper. He's one of those guys that gives you
Speaker 4: a full interview.
Speaker 1: He talks straight to you. You tell he's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Whatever? Whatever? So damn I like Chop.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. How about no, No, you said
Speaker 1: that's it. I don't want to I don't want to
Speaker 1: say somebody that you say something crazy interview.
Speaker 2: It's not nothing disrespectful. I'm sixty one years old. The
Speaker 2: niggas don't make me like you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: What's my man name?
Speaker 1: Got locked up in Utah? Gonna be a young boy?
Speaker 1: I like him too?
Speaker 2: Is that under ten years he might be like like eight,
Speaker 2: ain't crazy as fun? Even nigga you need to talk
Speaker 2: to to call him the funk down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he needs a nb A young boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got a career if he learned not to
Speaker 2: react to everything a nigga say to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Females like I said, uh, wifey baby, she out of Atlanta.
Speaker 2: She's out of Atlanta. Uh three three D I said,
Speaker 2: And I like all, I like Megan, I like, you know,
Speaker 2: I love fucking Cardi Man, car Is the Brons.
Speaker 4: And I think is really say I feel like I
Speaker 4: feel like ed Love was a lot old person.
Speaker 1: I like a whole lot.
Speaker 2: I think she's really like if she just let herself
Speaker 2: go lyrically, it just really raped, wrapped away. I know
Speaker 2: she can wrap the way I heard her rap with
Speaker 2: Jamain first Ada, she could go with my nigga.
Speaker 1: She got, she got bolls A lot of what was
Speaker 1: signed the people. Yeah, Jamaine had on that on that not.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: The rap game, rap game, lot of dope, bro don't
Speaker 1: don't get it. Fucked up of a lot of them, don't.
Speaker 1: How about Ice Spice some Bronx niggas. New York. I'm
Speaker 1: a rerap New York, New York. We saw Laura London,
Speaker 1: Lady Lady London. Now she's sucking my nigga a boogie
Speaker 1: with the hoodies.
Speaker 2: Hey, boogie with a boogie with the hoodie.
Speaker 1: Is he's hot here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my man, DJ on my nine there used to
Speaker 2: be my DJ. Hey, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, always with
Speaker 2: the hoodies, DJ.
Speaker 1: My niggas out of here.
Speaker 2: That nigga had me introduce him and in Chicago and lollapaloozas.
Speaker 2: There's ninety thousand niggas out there. None of them niggas
Speaker 2: knew who I was. He said, this is uncle ed
Speaker 2: lover right now. Like after that was I was fucking
Speaker 2: Golden's make a boogie shout out, Oh my nine man,
Speaker 2: My Instagram went straight up.
Speaker 1: Niggas, little niggas that this niggas every book. I'm taking
Speaker 1: this shot.
Speaker 2: You got.
Speaker 1: Got that? Hey you put me on? I like what
Speaker 1: the young niggas put me on like that, son, And
Speaker 1: it's how many shots we took to see you know.
Speaker 1: So we're getting off. But but that pappy look at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that pappy. That pappy is so smooth. Can
Speaker 1: I have some more place? Yes? Please?
Speaker 4: A little I got This is how I know. That's
Speaker 4: how I know you are O G O G. You
Speaker 4: got the battery pack extra ship.
Speaker 1: God damn right, I got yo. So the apples ship.
Speaker 1: They did you make that ship? Man? You gotta have
Speaker 1: that ship, right, So.
Speaker 2: We always gotta talk about the come on. So now
Speaker 2: I said, I want to go do this before we
Speaker 2: get to come on son. I said that when I
Speaker 2: do drink chances, I'm just smoking a cigar. May I
Speaker 2: part take on one of them blunt? Now I must
Speaker 2: wan you what ash hash? Old school hashn't smoke?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, none of you straight from blood, straight straight
Speaker 4: all joint a joint.
Speaker 1: Give me something old school no hash, no no hash.
Speaker 1: Give me some straight weeds.
Speaker 4: You remember you remember straight human hash back that it's weed.
Speaker 4: But the black weeds, the black yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cocaine.
Speaker 2: Give me straight, give me straight.
Speaker 1: You want to blood or you want to joint? I
Speaker 1: want what? What is it like?
Speaker 2: Like the walk came, they got papers, they got papers,
Speaker 2: old Give me to give you my old school nigga.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I separate my weed on the album.
Speaker 2: Couple of niggas like I smoked with the seeds niggasig.
Speaker 1: So, So what's what's what's doctor Dre status? Right now?
Speaker 2: Doctor Dre is recovering diabetes. Fucked him up real bad.
Speaker 2: But we're getting Dre together and It's probably very few
Speaker 2: people on this earth that I love more than Drake.
Speaker 2: So as long as I'm right, Dre is going to
Speaker 2: be right, you know, and he's my partner, man, And
Speaker 2: you know what, you know, you go through You went
Speaker 2: through your ship with Capone.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: Pone's a crazy nigga and I spoke Pone, But uh,
Speaker 2: you're gonna love your people no matter what. Dre is
Speaker 2: my dude. He's always going to be my dude. And
Speaker 2: when you get healthy, we got a lot of ship
Speaker 2: that we got on the table that we're gonna do
Speaker 2: together because that's my guy.
Speaker 1: That's just what it is, and nothing else about it.
Speaker 1: We get.
Speaker 2: We don't have to talk to each other every day
Speaker 2: or every week, but when we're on that phone, it's
Speaker 2: like we just caught back up like a doctor or
Speaker 2: some ship like that. Like Drake, you know, said ship,
Speaker 2: this hippopship been good to us.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I got kids with master's degrees on fresh That's right.
Speaker 2: I ain't got a master degree.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He said, the NFL helped
Speaker 1: pay for some of the master Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They tried to steal my ship, bro, They tried. They
Speaker 1: try to steal again.
Speaker 2: They come on, son, Okay, come on, I say, come
Speaker 2: on son, before they did come on man, the same
Speaker 2: ship and you see it, they right at the same
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, Keshan, you know what you did.
Speaker 2: So you tried to come at me and was like,
Speaker 2: now I've seen him. I was like, yo, bro, you
Speaker 2: know that's my ship. Nah I did now. I was like, bro,
Speaker 2: I got my hit on YouTube way before y'all started
Speaker 2: this ship. So segment that he started doing, he started
Speaker 2: off of come on son, okay, yes, and we sent
Speaker 2: them a seaze and desist and I was like, fun, damn,
Speaker 2: I wanna take my grandkids to Disney World like, and
Speaker 2: they just they came right or to a football game.
Speaker 1: They came because you might have kicked out of I
Speaker 1: might have kids everything and.
Speaker 2: Football Giants games. You settled, Yeah, it's all good.
Speaker 1: They might have put you out of what's that ship
Speaker 1: tail game? That's crazy? How much? Yes, yes, Disney everything,
Speaker 1: Disney owners and you had to you.
Speaker 2: Had to contact him, but they yeah, but it was
Speaker 2: my ship, not on the trademark, so they can't fight that,
Speaker 2: and you just fight for your own ship.
Speaker 1: Man. Let's talk about the original. Well, how did you
Speaker 1: come up and come on son.
Speaker 5: This is l.
Speaker 2: G Z and Drama had a beef. Okay, j Z
Speaker 2: had his company and he hired Drama to DJ. Drama
Speaker 2: knew that he had beef with Gucci, and at the party,
Speaker 2: Drama dropped some Gucci ship and Jez went fucking ballistics.
Speaker 1: So there was beefing and I was like, but.
Speaker 2: The nigga, the nigga Gucci was hot, Like how can
Speaker 2: you not play Gucci ship at the party? Is?
Speaker 1: I was like, come on, son, you know, come on
Speaker 1: son is something we always said to York.
Speaker 2: But it's like son.
Speaker 1: You know niggas that don't understand why we say son
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: We just say son. Well understand that we understand it.
Speaker 2: I know we understand, But it was come on, son.
Speaker 2: It was what I wanted to say. So I shot
Speaker 2: a video for it, and I didn't have I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Kyron KYIRN is the way MTV us to put our
Speaker 2: names on the bottom of the screen. It's called kyron,
Speaker 2: and I had that little white map, the first one.
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to do that shit. I don't
Speaker 2: think there was a way to do it. So I
Speaker 2: held up a piece of cardboard. I just moved to
Speaker 2: my house. I ripped a piece of cardboard off and
Speaker 2: rolled in Magic Marca. It's just like that.
Speaker 1: Let me get that ship. Come on.
Speaker 2: We paid.
Speaker 9: And I was talking ship and I was like, right,
Speaker 9: FuG got it, fifty had this is fifty dot com.
Speaker 2: So my nigga uh was over there and I sent
Speaker 2: the ship to him and he posted it and the
Speaker 2: ship got like sixty thousand, this is fifty do on
Speaker 2: they my ship and the ship went crazy. But I
Speaker 2: read the comments and niggas was thising me crazy. Fuck
Speaker 2: that old nigga. He don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: And my nigga said, come on, son, you know my nigga.
Speaker 2: My nigga said, they watched it, right, that's all that
Speaker 2: matters is they watched it.
Speaker 1: Do another one.
Speaker 2: And that was the beginning to fucking come on son,
Speaker 2: And now was come on.
Speaker 1: So the podcast all right, so let me.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna point out to certain people in the room,
Speaker 4: and you tell me if I'm telling the truth or not.
Speaker 4: And by the way, you're telling me if you are,
Speaker 4: you're telling the truth. But the time is with the
Speaker 4: sign that's going okay.
Speaker 1: He eats the most Jamaican food in the whole place.
Speaker 1: The guy with the red hat gus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that look that nigga looked like he eat think
Speaker 3: nigga was something everything you're making that nigga eat a
Speaker 3: beef patty. Okay, well I fail going it? Yeah, you
Speaker 3: don't thank you guy, any of them?
Speaker 1: What this guy.
Speaker 4: He's listen, listen, listen. He's pescatarian. Do you believe him
Speaker 4: or that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I have to rack before I came over. I
Speaker 1: christ in front of y'all. The nigga something niggas going.
Speaker 2: To Mcdowne's the way shortly finished.
Speaker 1: You're going to McDonalds. You yeah, because mister mister Lee,
Speaker 1: stand up, mister stando, stand up. You heard him.
Speaker 4: He said that he learned English through music. Do you
Speaker 4: think he learned English through music or selling crack up town?
Speaker 2: I never learned English.
Speaker 1: This nigga got an uncle that work on Dykeman right now.
Speaker 1: They got.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: So that's what still said.
Speaker 4: All right, this is my friend Diego, Diego, get up.
Speaker 4: He's on maternity League right now. Okay, Sonny sonny d
Speaker 4: He's he's the only Haitian that webs Haiti but never
Speaker 4: been to Haiti.
Speaker 1: On that about it that ship. I think, wait here,
Speaker 1: he ain't a cloud. All right, this is our director.
Speaker 1: His name is i Rast.
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be a vegan, but Sonny the godrom
Speaker 4: Haiti caught him with a shrimp pizza one.
Speaker 1: Do you think he really make vegan?
Speaker 2: He ain't no funigg just as much vegan as.
Speaker 1: My fucking not alcohol with drinking ship the funk out
Speaker 1: of here ship. Vegans don't smoke weeds, Get the fun
Speaker 1: out ship.
Speaker 2: I wasn't read that make you a little more Haitian
Speaker 2: than Nigga little I got stumped up for why cleft?
Speaker 1: What did you talking about it?
Speaker 2: He's a thinking from veganism. I wasn't ready, man, there's
Speaker 2: a round table of bullshit going over there. Maternity leave.
Speaker 1: I before.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's rewind the last I think it had been
Speaker 5: the last episode good Weed. I knew it was gonna
Speaker 5: be good, Yes, fantastic, the last episode of Young t
Speaker 5: Reps when you had everybody there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, last. I know you probably talked about some
Speaker 1: million times, but can you just describe what that meant
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 1: But for me, it came together.
Speaker 2: Actually defens for me, it was after it was years
Speaker 2: after because you don't you'll know the shit when you're
Speaker 2: in there in the moment, right at the moment, right,
Speaker 2: you don't realize that this shit is like the most
Speaker 2: epic shit. It was sad for me because I knew
Speaker 2: it was the last episode and I didn't want it
Speaker 2: to be. I wanted to do at least ten years
Speaker 2: of your on TV rap and they're like, it's the
Speaker 2: last episode.
Speaker 1: Charlie. Our manager knew. He's like, they're going into That's
Speaker 1: the reason why.
Speaker 2: I took the Hot ninety seven job, because he had
Speaker 2: already forecasted that they was about to get rid of
Speaker 2: your on TV raps because they're playing more hip hop
Speaker 2: and mainstream in the mainstream regular time, right. So he's like, well,
Speaker 2: if they're gonna start doing that, what's going to be
Speaker 2: special about your on TV raps? So he's like, take
Speaker 2: this radio job, and you know, he told me what
Speaker 2: how the stern was making. I was like, shit, I
Speaker 2: can make almost close to that. Let's make something happen.
Speaker 2: So it was a bittersweet for me, But at the
Speaker 2: time I didn't realize that many people were in the room.
Speaker 2: I once heard Search tell a story about his beef
Speaker 2: and hammer and Hammer was there and apparently ran up
Speaker 2: on hand or some ship.
Speaker 1: I was like, if it did happen, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did he did talk about that here?
Speaker 2: I don't remember him talking about it.
Speaker 1: But everybody was there, Like everybody that was on the
Speaker 1: East Coast at that time was there.
Speaker 2: So it was it was kind of like a bittersweet
Speaker 2: moment for me. But looking back on it, I didn't
Speaker 2: realize how epic it was going to be.
Speaker 1: And it was really an organic like we'll call the
Speaker 1: people like it was.
Speaker 2: Like, Yo, we're doing the last show you on TV rats.
Speaker 2: Anybody want to come come And it was just like
Speaker 2: our idea that like you know, Fab said, we got
Speaker 2: all these m season here, let's do a cipher Yeah,
Speaker 2: and was just and if you look at it, that's
Speaker 2: what ra City. He'll try to duplicate on the last
Speaker 2: episode as well, and that was dope too, but always.
Speaker 1: Still a Rap City got that like the freestyle segment
Speaker 1: over the last episode of Yom TV RAPS, I.
Speaker 2: Would think, I love taking is a great friend of mine.
Speaker 2: But I always say that the difference was Rap City
Speaker 2: was a national show. We were an international show. We
Speaker 2: were all over the world, you know, like Lee's saying,
Speaker 2: as he tells everybody that come in here, he learned
Speaker 2: to speak English from them. A lot of people tell
Speaker 2: me actually that, yo, I watched your TV raps at
Speaker 2: four a m.
Speaker 1: And Nigeria.
Speaker 5: That's how I learned to speaking Was it because of
Speaker 5: the actual syndication? Was actually those country.
Speaker 1: TV was all over the world.
Speaker 2: It wasn't all over the world right before the merger,
Speaker 2: before before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back then we were all over.
Speaker 2: I remember Dream and I going to Japan and we
Speaker 2: get off the plane in fifteen thousand Japanese out there
Speaker 2: waiting for us that don't speak a spec of English
Speaker 2: or they watch us like every fucking day comes pushing
Speaker 2: you got in Japan?
Speaker 1: My share amount what Luke said here, this is yo yo.
Speaker 1: They don't even speak English, thinking when the fuck?
Speaker 2: It's just like.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how you fuck somebody that can't
Speaker 1: speak English, Like how you do that? What did you say?
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say? Like she's got
Speaker 2: nigga got into bed. I guess me fucking he said,
Speaker 2: I guess And there was no car doing now now,
Speaker 2: got you bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You fucked up ship like that? What did Willy
Speaker 1: Nelson say, he said, you know much Connors, cause back
Speaker 1: then he said who he said, he didn't know.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the only nigga Snoop taking out smoking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Willie Nelson, Yeah, he said, Willie Nelson is the only
Speaker 2: nigga that can out smoke. He said they had the bomb,
Speaker 2: they had gas mask and all kind. I think he
Speaker 2: breathes weed.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 2: He said, I'm passing ship. He passing me, Shiitty, can't
Speaker 2: I smoke that? I can't smoke with Snoop either. Snoop
Speaker 2: is a ridiculous smoke.
Speaker 4: Oh he's one time smoked. Yeah when actually in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 4: really it's documented. Yeah he stopped its all right, buddy, Them.
Speaker 2: Thinkings don't know how to stop smoking. This is the
Speaker 2: only way that I'm going to smoke all day. But
Speaker 2: normally don't have no lip here. I got no chill button.
Speaker 1: No, no, don't no, I ain't gonna lie. I don't
Speaker 1: have no chill button.
Speaker 4: When I'm in front of person like you, my dude,
Speaker 4: I've been with more so I've been so happy to
Speaker 4: give you your flowers to make sure that you understand
Speaker 4: how ill you are to this community. Our show is
Speaker 4: about you know, when people get ten years or twenty
Speaker 4: years in this game, people want.
Speaker 1: To write them off and tell them they old and
Speaker 1: they old school. That's not what this show is about.
Speaker 1: This show is about giving your flowers while you alive.
Speaker 1: You bro, I appreciate you.
Speaker 4: You like I said it, I said it earlier. You
Speaker 4: made doing black media cool. Yeah, there's people that was
Speaker 4: doing black media maybe before you and Dre and there
Speaker 4: was people doing black media, maybe in a different way,
Speaker 4: but no one did it in the style of the hood.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Saying like even when I
Speaker 1: look at you know, cameon shows right now and I
Speaker 1: love that show. I love it, but they're doing it
Speaker 1: in that.
Speaker 4: Style, meaning like they're being there, being the barbershop with
Speaker 4: the song, right, they be themselves And that's what you were.
Speaker 4: The first people that was being themselves looking like us,
Speaker 4: even when you walk karate outfits and you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, and no shirts, but she was being like us,
Speaker 4: looking like us.
Speaker 1: Real quick you that.
Speaker 2: But humor is really.
Speaker 1: Stand you had no shirt on the concernile cameouf no,
Speaker 1: but for real, like, you know, we were so happy
Speaker 1: to come home. Even when I did the print ad
Speaker 1: for lux you were still loving me? Whatever? What the
Speaker 1: the print ad for lugo nasty work flex you flex.
Speaker 2: Le. I never bought into lugs.
Speaker 1: I took the check. I took the check. Sure, I
Speaker 1: took the check. Should you didn't let take it? Did
Speaker 1: you ever wear lugs in public without the She was
Speaker 1: nasty too.
Speaker 2: Quickly went back to TA. They made your feet hurt immediately.
Speaker 1: Like because what was love supposed to be Tim's competition?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were trying to get into that market.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just trying to get in that market.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that market was huge and TIMS didn't even understand
Speaker 2: that market at the.
Speaker 5: Time because they didn't originally come in for hip hop. No,
Speaker 5: we just we make everything.
Speaker 4: And Tim said, oh ship looks they sent us the
Speaker 4: lug ad immediately look at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I told you that's a nasty nigg that don't
Speaker 2: show that show that discussing. I loved stupid right there,
Speaker 2: un But it's good to admit that you did some
Speaker 2: dumb shap for the check though.
Speaker 1: Yes, and Olsen that we just found up the Mars
Speaker 1: open in February nineteen.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety nine. That was when probably right around the
Speaker 2: time after that, that my man signed to the next
Speaker 2: Litt Trust's Free web the three before we had to
Speaker 2: poll before he choke PJ call. That went on, the next,
Speaker 2: that went on, the next, different, different squad, and that's
Speaker 2: when I met fucking Kanye West for the first time.
Speaker 2: That's dope.
Speaker 1: Look, geez, I need another drink. I got, I got
Speaker 1: one more left in. I have not touched this basil
Speaker 1: hating and that's the damn problem. Drink that to take this?
Speaker 1: What you still got?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Take that? I mean with you? Yeah, we still got
Speaker 1: pappy when I'm drinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We bring
Speaker 1: back to old school, said relaxed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. She don't we
Speaker 4: drink it all? No, yes, no, no no, We're gonna
Speaker 4: let you. Just being that you order this. I wanted
Speaker 4: to impress you as my friend, well, thank you, my brother.
Speaker 4: I wanted to let you know how much you mean
Speaker 4: to me. And that's what I said. I love making
Speaker 4: sure are people taking people drink orders. And when you
Speaker 4: said American whiskey, I was like, Yo, I got to
Speaker 4: bring out this pappy and I bring out the twelve year.
Speaker 2: That pappy is special, bro, especially I know about everybody all, all,
Speaker 2: all my fans back home. That's gonna watch this. It's
Speaker 2: gonna watch and watch me drink this pappy and be jealous. Yes,
Speaker 2: my wife is going to be like smoking weed. You
Speaker 2: really don't smoke weed like that?
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Listen?
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm a drink champ, babe, damn right the big time. Hey,
Speaker 1: yes and so, but this is why I.
Speaker 2: Saw y'all niggas in Atlanta. When I do, I stepped
Speaker 2: here and saying, what the fun? You're not gonna be
Speaker 2: on drink chain, my nigga, and I'm min we already
Speaker 2: stepped to you.
Speaker 1: So but hold on. This is how I know you're
Speaker 1: a real cigar smoker. You bring your own cigars.
Speaker 4: See when you made the drink order, I would expect
Speaker 4: you to say, hiss my cigars. But this see real
Speaker 4: cigar motherfuckers to smoke their own cigars.
Speaker 2: Right, because y'all might fuck my cigar order, just leave
Speaker 2: a Master Blend number three, no, number two, and number one.
Speaker 2: We're fucking amazing. So when I saw this, I was like,
Speaker 2: I gotta get the Master Blend out here.
Speaker 1: I got this.
Speaker 2: I brought these frimps from Atlanta. Oh wow, wow, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I just didn't have the torch because niggas take your
Speaker 2: torch the air point and I didn't check no bags,
Speaker 2: so they wasn't gonna let me bring my torch on.
Speaker 1: So your man was kind enough to go get me
Speaker 1: a torch.
Speaker 2: Because if I had have lit this ship with a
Speaker 2: big lighter like you got right there, the niggas would
Speaker 2: have told me, oh my god, my stogies on the
Speaker 2: rocks crew, they would have killed me.
Speaker 1: I would have been banned. I should have been on
Speaker 1: punishment on the rocks crew.
Speaker 2: There's a social club in New York, community of I
Speaker 2: have my community like fellowship, siray. Those are the places
Speaker 2: Cigar City Club. I smoked there. I smoked at Life
Speaker 2: and times. I smoke Patio two patios. Yeah, I smoke
Speaker 2: all over the place. And they know it's against the
Speaker 2: rules to light a cigar with a big lighter.
Speaker 1: It's against the rules. It's not a gas lighter because
Speaker 1: it's not fast enough. It's not a gas. Look, we
Speaker 1: learned something to bullshit. It's good for this.
Speaker 2: You can get with this, you can get with that.
Speaker 1: With that. Hast been good to you. Atlanta's wonderful to me.
Speaker 1: So I heard you got over the sports job.
Speaker 2: I got offered the sports job on ninety two to
Speaker 2: nine the Game, but then they decided that they didn't
Speaker 2: want to hire outside of what they already had. And
Speaker 2: that's part of audisty too. But sports is something that
Speaker 2: I'm really into that I really love. I've been a
Speaker 2: sports fact. I'm a New York Giants fan unfortunately, but.
Speaker 1: I'm a sports guy.
Speaker 2: I like sports, and I think at the time what
Speaker 2: they needed was somebody that can give you sports in
Speaker 2: a layman's term, like I talked directly to people that
Speaker 2: watch sports the way I watch sports that talk about politics,
Speaker 2: the way I do that talk to people the way
Speaker 2: you talking to me right, the way you guys embrace
Speaker 2: me and talk to me.
Speaker 1: That's how I talk to people.
Speaker 2: I don't give them the well the right God pulled
Speaker 2: this way have to people bodies, right, I don't do
Speaker 2: the technicality. That's for dudes that played the game, and
Speaker 2: I respect the shit out of them too. But I
Speaker 2: just liked sports.
Speaker 4: But being that, you said, Jamie Fox broung Oprah to
Speaker 4: your show. Yeah, Jamie Fox is now viral whoa which is.
Speaker 2: Ship with Jerry Jones talking about niggas dicks Paulus on that.
Speaker 7: What the fuck was he that? Did we have to
Speaker 7: bring this dream hats? No, that was like a slave
Speaker 7: thing to me, like I thought slavery. It's real SHAMEI
Speaker 7: turned that ship off right when he said he's this tall,
Speaker 7: this amount of weight.
Speaker 2: His hands are this big and he got an eight
Speaker 2: and a half inches nine inch cock.
Speaker 1: I was like, how the fuck do you know that? Yo?
Speaker 1: And that's the first thing I say, yo, yo, oh, No,
Speaker 1: come on, sign how you know that? So I give
Speaker 1: me that? Give the fuck hey, Jerry Jones, come on.
Speaker 2: Phone, crazy ship. You can't buy baby oil no more.
Speaker 2: I can't buy no baby oil, nigga. This is what
Speaker 2: I want to say about that real quick, because Diddy
Speaker 2: is my nigga, right, I want to tell everybody that
Speaker 2: there's a difference between did he parties and did he
Speaker 2: freak off party? I've been to a thousand Diddy parties
Speaker 2: that did not turn into freak off parties. Maybe I
Speaker 2: wasn't famous enough to be invited to them shits, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but those parties were not the parties that
Speaker 2: I went to. And amen, goddamn right, That's all I
Speaker 2: want to say about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, amen. I ain't never
Speaker 1: been in the freaking up party to either, but I've
Speaker 1: been with my wife, so maybe.
Speaker 2: But I didn't see it. I didn't see it personally.
Speaker 2: And when the Feds get you, as you know we
Speaker 2: saw it where murder inc. They want to milk your
Speaker 2: bank account till you ain't got shit left. The Feds
Speaker 2: don't lose nigga. They come only niggas I ever know
Speaker 2: that beat the Feds for fucking irving him. They come
Speaker 2: when they come in barely, huh and barely and barely.
Speaker 2: They don't come until they got some real shit on you, right,
Speaker 2: So they putting puffing the trick bag right now because
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 1: Way they defined sexual trafficking.
Speaker 2: But now was a teenager. We went to the whole straw.
Speaker 2: We went to Hunts Point. We was talking a bit
Speaker 2: in Queens Yeah, yeah, in the Bristol hotel that l
Speaker 2: around about the holes used to be there Park Avenue
Speaker 2: South before they cleaned that.
Speaker 1: Up in the loose right now, he's like, Louke, No,
Speaker 1: but I got but let's be fair. Hugh Hefner had
Speaker 1: freak offs absolutely like this. He had a grotto that
Speaker 1: was made for sex.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like, I mean, I didn't funk when I went
Speaker 2: to the grotto, but you went to the grotto. I've
Speaker 2: been to, let's hear about it. Yeah, I've been there,
Speaker 2: but I ain't. None happened because you as old as fuck.
Speaker 2: I don't even think the nigga knew who I was.
Speaker 1: I was there.
Speaker 2: I was just sitting there, like, oh, this is the grotto.
Speaker 2: But it's different.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, the spokes a weed do something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different because of the way they view where
Speaker 2: the laws all?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Now right, because we all seen the movie Taken. We
Speaker 2: love the movie Taking with Lee and Neeson, right, they
Speaker 2: snatching women off the streets.
Speaker 1: It's the movement of people. It's the movement of people
Speaker 1: that's the problem. Difference, it's the movement of It's the movement.
Speaker 2: We're not defying it.
Speaker 1: That's no, it's true. It's the moment. It's the movement
Speaker 1: of the people.
Speaker 2: Once you move them across straight state lines and paying
Speaker 2: them for sex, they call that traffic.
Speaker 1: Key.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and with all due respect, we are not qualified
Speaker 5: to talk about this on drink chance and saying we shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Because I ain't sex traving nobody. We're celebrating his legacy.
Speaker 2: Were hefn nor? You don't want to know the craziest ship.
Speaker 2: My mother is eighty six years old. So the shit
Speaker 2: came out. My mother called me baby. I'll say, hey, man, are.
Speaker 1: You on the freak freak tape? I'm like, I said, no,
Speaker 1: let me tell you why she say that.
Speaker 2: She's said, because I standing in the church is real
Speaker 2: good right now, and I don't want I wasn't messing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I said, it's called the freak alls And no I'm
Speaker 2: not on none of them tape.
Speaker 4: But that's that's a beautiful thing that you you because
Speaker 4: I remember you saying when you was in l A
Speaker 4: after Big died, that was one of the people who
Speaker 4: called you a second la was your mom was my
Speaker 4: mother and say, no matter how, you have to get
Speaker 4: out of there and get out of there because the
Speaker 4: vitriol on Big was disgusting.
Speaker 1: On the radio, it was disgusting. Yes, when he died, Yes,
Speaker 1: they were going crazy.
Speaker 2: Uh, poet is who's a radio personality?
Speaker 1: I love? She was on the radio.
Speaker 2: She openly took calls and the disrespectful Big people she
Speaker 2: didn't respect. She didn't disrespect Big. She was sad and
Speaker 2: say we lost one of the greatest. And the vitrioll
Speaker 2: that came in, the disgusting words that they said. But
Speaker 2: let me about big made me feel like I need
Speaker 2: to get out of here, right could she.
Speaker 4: Had because she had edited that part or at that
Speaker 4: time live radio and live radio.
Speaker 1: It was live radio, so so when they took calls,
Speaker 1: you couldn't edit that no time. Okay.
Speaker 2: If she would have recorded him, she could, Okay. I
Speaker 2: don't think she wouldn't let it go. And it was
Speaker 2: just like his fat ass ain't had no bisness. You know,
Speaker 2: we didn't like him. After Park died, good good for
Speaker 2: him his family like it was.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, bro, and he's playing it a live radio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great.
Speaker 4: And I heard you also say, contrary to popular belief,
Speaker 4: Pop died, New York was showing them nothing but.
Speaker 2: Crazy love, you know nods. Our homeboy allowed me to
Speaker 2: step on his stage stage and Nash college him and
Speaker 2: announced that everybody that that pocket passed away and he
Speaker 2: had be for Pop and he allowed me to do it.
Speaker 1: I told him because I heard Angie say it.
Speaker 2: I was on my way to the concert and Angie said,
Speaker 2: Park just died, and uh, I set the nods. I
Speaker 2: remember he had on the red leather. Another nigga had
Speaker 2: no shirt on it any time, but that's noth I
Speaker 2: go at him too. So the nigga had on the
Speaker 2: farmer's joint leather joint, red joint. I say, yo, Pop died, Man,
Speaker 2: I think you need to tell everybody. He said, I
Speaker 2: can't do that. Here, give me the mic, so go
Speaker 2: tell everybody. Pop passed and we did a moment of
Speaker 2: silence for Pop. But in La nigga went big did
Speaker 2: They didn't give a fuck?
Speaker 5: Can I play Devil's advocate for a second. Yeah, And
Speaker 5: I know it's not the same thing, but couldn't it
Speaker 5: be said that the same thing happened in New York
Speaker 5: when the Dog Pound and Snoop were filming the video.
Speaker 1: Died and people but you're correct, you correct, people were shooting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but said, hey, why would you? He said, why?
Speaker 2: A lot of these niggas will come in and that
Speaker 2: be the similar. It's very similar. But nobody died.
Speaker 1: We lost toward the greatest one when somebody nobody.
Speaker 4: In fact, first of the shooting shootings didn't occur until Atlanta.
Speaker 1: That shooting that happened. What do you mean with shoot
Speaker 1: and puff. No, No, people got shot. People were shooting
Speaker 1: in New York.
Speaker 2: But that ship nationally when sugar Man got killed. When
Speaker 2: sugar Man got killed, I can't say I was dancing.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but allegedly by Wolf was what sparked
Speaker 2: the whole ship. It was never East Coast West Coast
Speaker 2: bad Boy. I think everybody hip hop knew. It was
Speaker 2: a lot of dumb niggas out here that don't know that.
Speaker 1: Really was in the culture knew. It was never East Coast,
Speaker 1: West Coast.
Speaker 2: It was this time because came Q came to New
Speaker 2: York and did Americans most warning. So how do what
Speaker 2: the fuck was we hating on? The Boss Squad produces
Speaker 2: out right.
Speaker 1: The most New York shit ever, made, the most epic
Speaker 1: public in coast out Yeah. Ever, that was my dad
Speaker 1: called him to the public talking about yeah yeah. But
Speaker 1: we we didn't.
Speaker 2: We didn't.
Speaker 1: We never disliked.
Speaker 2: We embraced and loved West Coast music, even though sometimes
Speaker 2: we were so full of ourselves that we couldn't understand
Speaker 2: what was coming from the south and the and the
Speaker 2: West in the.
Speaker 1: West and south east right right, But we embraced it.
Speaker 1: When we got it. Sometimes it takes people a longer
Speaker 1: time to get it. Do you think we talk about
Speaker 1: it here often? And you know what, I hear a
Speaker 1: story that you said that one time, that not one time,
Speaker 1: but this time particular. It is a wonderful week, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yes, that when I believe Big died, and I believe
Speaker 4: on a Saturday, and you couldn't leave to a Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had to get out of town.
Speaker 4: So when you finally got your car service, I laid
Speaker 4: said you laid down, bro, you laid.
Speaker 1: That's how it shook. I was.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie. Ain't no such things as halfway crooks.
Speaker 2: This thigga was a shook nigga. I'm yeah, I'm on
Speaker 2: the West coast. You said that, Yeah, I'm on the
Speaker 2: West Coast. And when my car finally came and got
Speaker 2: me that morning to take me to the airport, hood
Speaker 2: on on pull tight you know, robbery, hood get a
Speaker 2: stick a nigga, And I laid down on the back
Speaker 2: seat till we got to the airport, until I got
Speaker 2: in the terminal actually to my gate is when I
Speaker 2: took the hood off. Wow, because I was that scared,
Speaker 2: because we didn't know where it.
Speaker 1: Came from, and you didn't know if it was for
Speaker 1: everybody right right, like they.
Speaker 2: Could just were like were killing every East Coast nigga.
Speaker 1: I'm out here. I gotta get home.
Speaker 4: My mom was like, they're wanting to kill the minus out.
Speaker 4: I want to sign that because I wasn't there at all.
Speaker 4: I wasn't there the source of I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't come out till till ninety seven, ninety eight.
Speaker 4: I believe Big died ninety five ninety seven, right, So
Speaker 4: I wasn't lit. So I definitely had no budget to
Speaker 4: go out there. You know what I'm saying, Like that's
Speaker 4: very simple, real nigga shit. And but I remember like
Speaker 4: actually having a budget afterwards, and I remember me not
Speaker 4: having a choice.
Speaker 1: But I land in LA.
Speaker 4: They had security for me, and I, you know, I
Speaker 4: was like, you know, like a hood nigga at that time,
Speaker 4: like I don't need security. And they had like almost
Speaker 4: insurance policies on almost every artist after Big and Pop.
Speaker 4: I don't want to ever say that's Paris theory. I
Speaker 4: want to say that's our culture who led that to that?
Speaker 1: But what what if? What if?
Speaker 2: What if? What if I'm naive.
Speaker 1: And what if that was? Do you think there ever
Speaker 1: was conspiracy theories for I think.
Speaker 2: It's unfortunately not conspiracy coincidence. I think that it became
Speaker 2: so big that it got out of their hands.
Speaker 1: That's deep. That's what I think.
Speaker 2: I think once Park died, I think it was on even.
Speaker 1: Though even though people know that Big didn't have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they still know they be.
Speaker 1: For so bid.
Speaker 2: It was so bad, Yes, you know, hit them up
Speaker 2: and all that and record and who shot you added
Speaker 2: to it, which wasn't really at Park dumb before Pocket
Speaker 2: it shouldn't have been put out and who they said,
Speaker 2: I'll put that shut out?
Speaker 1: It shouldn't have been really know that. We had a
Speaker 1: debate with I think Tony.
Speaker 2: We debated.
Speaker 1: I said no because as a child, YEA, the most
Speaker 1: loyal nigga.
Speaker 2: The most loyal.
Speaker 1: I had that record who shot you? Before that? That like,
Speaker 1: before they really released it. I'm saying it was before
Speaker 1: anybody passed thinking FN played that ship, didn't he Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying before it didn't relate to that when
Speaker 1: I played it.
Speaker 4: I'm saying you when you had it, you didn't relate
Speaker 4: it to to the to the pokh because the pro
Speaker 4: didn't happen.
Speaker 1: It was like, did we get white labels, We'll get
Speaker 1: like press you know, like test pressings. And I was
Speaker 1: on Pyate radio and I'm playing yeah. But but when
Speaker 1: it went went like on radio commercial.
Speaker 5: Radio and everybody was relating it to the shootings, I'm like, nah, bro,
Speaker 5: like that's not what.
Speaker 2: It was, right. But I look like that to the
Speaker 2: general public, the general public, and I think that was
Speaker 2: a huge mistake. You could have held that back and
Speaker 2: then god damn. I still don't like to hear hit
Speaker 2: them out. It still bothers me. Yeah, I'm nowhere it
Speaker 2: was and I know why he did it, but it's
Speaker 2: still it's still fuck with me, bro, And it's.
Speaker 5: Crazy how big it's such as a huge it's an
Speaker 5: ill record though, but it's an ill if you wanted
Speaker 5: to just out of context, like I mean, as a
Speaker 5: as a hip hop historian, look at a battle record.
Speaker 2: It's one of the greatest ones up there with no vassal.
Speaker 1: Vassilion up there with they not like uh the bridges over,
Speaker 1: bridges over Hey man, it's up there.
Speaker 2: It's up there.
Speaker 1: Man, you left right you want. I don't give bridge
Speaker 1: Over was just a queen.
Speaker 2: We can't know what I realized about the bridges Over.
Speaker 2: I looked at krass ones age. There's no way he
Speaker 2: would have knew this ship he was talking about. He
Speaker 2: was fourteen. Wait, wait when he did the bridges Over? No,
Speaker 2: think about what the times he's talking about the hip
Speaker 2: hop to look as wise as seems, I didn't hear
Speaker 2: a peep from a place called Queens.
Speaker 1: You were fourteen, You wouldn't have heard it.
Speaker 2: Are you saying we still got a case? Yes? Weday,
Speaker 2: all right, cool?
Speaker 1: This is like murder. This is like murder.
Speaker 4: We can bring this back up, bringing charge back up,
Speaker 4: bringing charges back up.
Speaker 1: Cares We're not We're not taking it, taking that ship
Speaker 1: from your empty. Shan is the judge. We got em.
Speaker 2: Shann makes a lot of sense. She shan't makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sales ever before.
Speaker 1: Yeah he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I fucking love Shance, one of my super he's
Speaker 2: a super legend.
Speaker 1: But when when he was trying to funk with LLL
Speaker 1: at that time too and cars brought that out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to take your man with ll You need
Speaker 1: to take your man off the crack. Oh, my god,
Speaker 1: damn smoking crack back then. Yeah, but Shampan thought about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't say he was smoking crack. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know about that part, but he thought us about
Speaker 1: his addictions.
Speaker 2: Like I love chanting man should up to empty shand
Speaker 2: real quick, because I want to go back to something
Speaker 2: you've talked about on Drink Champs in relation to Biggie
Speaker 2: and everything that happened when you and and Mob Deep
Speaker 2: did the record l A l A. That what Biggie
Speaker 2: told you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went straight to the tunnel.
Speaker 4: We did it because I mean, obviously we weren't on,
Speaker 4: so that was like the way to get on, like
Speaker 4: to like, you know, New York. This is right after
Speaker 4: the New York York. The only rebuttal from it was
Speaker 4: a friend of of my hood. His name is Chaz,
Speaker 4: and he brung me up. He was on the DJ
Speaker 4: list that was called and long story short, we went
Speaker 4: in there. We just did a response. We never really
Speaker 4: like dissed them back.
Speaker 1: The only person that like related to l A was
Speaker 1: the Prodigy said JFK on our Way to LA And
Speaker 1: that was the only part the whole record that kind
Speaker 1: of seemed like it. But I stepped in big. I
Speaker 1: don't remember if it's that night or whatever night, but
Speaker 1: I still the big was like, yo, we went back
Speaker 1: at him for you. You know what I mean? L
Speaker 1: A l A he was because remember it was bad
Speaker 1: Boy mixtape. Remember had.
Speaker 4: Clue had one first was ironically being from Queens. He didn't,
Speaker 4: he didn't shout to do he didn't. He didn't, he didn't,
Speaker 4: he didn't put us on on the record. So stressed
Speaker 4: Armstrong did big of a stressed Armstrong and big up
Speaker 4: the barbeto. But although this is a stressed Armstrong move
Speaker 4: by itself, and I remember stepping the big and big
Speaker 4: like nah, he was so smart. He was like, nah,
Speaker 4: we can't use that on the Bad Boy mixtape. We
Speaker 4: won't use l A l A.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 4: You were spawning to them because what he's accusing me
Speaker 4: of how they do? And I had at that time,
Speaker 4: I was so naive and young. I was like, what's
Speaker 4: wrong with them?
Speaker 1: I'm represented for you, And years later come to find
Speaker 1: out like, like what he said to me at that
Speaker 1: very moment was real, Like I had, I got nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it. He's accusing me of right, how
Speaker 1: does that make?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: Was big?
Speaker 2: That was a big path on the whole ship, on
Speaker 2: the whole ship. It's like what he's saying, I love
Speaker 2: this dude, Like this is my guy. He always took
Speaker 2: the higher road on that. Like I have heard stories
Speaker 2: that Big went back into the studio and took Pop's
Speaker 2: gun out of the piano.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard that. I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 1: But he put in his pants, we walked out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was him, but he sent
Speaker 2: somebody or him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They have a catch charge.
Speaker 2: I catch the gun chok. But Big, so I'm like,
Speaker 2: why would you do that? If you had something to
Speaker 2: do with it? And I think I know for a fact.
Speaker 2: Big was very hurt Bond. He's expressed in the interviews
Speaker 2: like I'm fucking hurt, like I love his dude like it.
Speaker 2: This got out of hand man, and sometimes ship beef
Speaker 2: like that happens. It just gets on the hand. Niggas
Speaker 2: gasing you up, You gasting yourself up.
Speaker 1: It's nasty. Nobody wants to back down. Nobody wants to
Speaker 1: back down.
Speaker 2: And they were both Gemini and God blessed the Vibe
Speaker 2: and my sister.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get them both. Yeah, you get it. God
Speaker 1: bless the Vibe magazine, But the Vibe magazine they put
Speaker 1: their fuel on that fucked everything up, everything up everything.
Speaker 1: The media exacerbated that situation absolutely.
Speaker 2: They exacerbated to the point of no return, And the
Speaker 2: point of no return was that we lost two of
Speaker 2: the greatest artists that we have ever had.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it sounds like so like very like crazy,
Speaker 4: but we can't really blame anybody who covered that in
Speaker 4: that way at that time because we didn't understand that
Speaker 4: that was the end result.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how can we not blame.
Speaker 4: Them because there was no other example of that, like
Speaker 4: you know, like like if right now, like fucking Kareem
Speaker 4: and Draine play Skelly and then one of them have
Speaker 4: to jump in the pool afterwards.
Speaker 1: That's the first example of that. You know, I'm using
Speaker 1: that because that's very I don't get it. But go.
Speaker 4: If it goes iral, yeah, yeah, which was what which
Speaker 4: I was doing back then.
Speaker 1: They made it go viral, but that was viral. This
Speaker 1: is my thing though, I think all of us looked
Speaker 1: at the Vibe and we were all young people at
Speaker 1: the time, and we looked at the article and we
Speaker 1: all were like, no, that's a little bit that they're reaching,
Speaker 1: they're reaching. They did reach, they're reaching. I think all
Speaker 1: of us as young people. And honestly, it was dis
Speaker 1: records before the really but no, but no disrecords led
Speaker 1: to death at that time. That's the reason why I like,
Speaker 1: I do blame them, but I don't. I don't blame
Speaker 1: them because there was no example of that now, any
Speaker 1: publication that made coverage of that and and led to that.
Speaker 2: Like right now, when I'm looking.
Speaker 4: At you know, all these cases because it's fucking mad
Speaker 4: cases and hip hop, Like you can look the cases
Speaker 4: in hip hop in Atlanta too.
Speaker 1: They're getting locked up. Yeah, we got to start asking
Speaker 1: ourselves real questions.
Speaker 5: How much has hip hop made excuses for ship for
Speaker 5: ship that's gonna get us all fucked up?
Speaker 1: How much has hip hop helped or hurt the black community.
Speaker 1: It's helped a lot.
Speaker 4: We helped help more, but the emphasis was on how
Speaker 4: we hurt, right, But we helped way more help. The
Speaker 4: MX said something, he said, he don't dis whack rappers
Speaker 4: no more because one rap, one rapper period saved sixteen families.
Speaker 4: And I believe that one rapper, whether you whack or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all had the nigga young on here. He gave
Speaker 2: the best description of d MX I ever heard him.
Speaker 1: Young was ill bro. He was the best queens too
Speaker 1: from Queen. But he don't claim us at all. You
Speaker 1: don't claim us. No, no, no, he claimed La. No no,
Speaker 1: he claim queens bro relaxed. Don't tell me that. We
Speaker 1: asked from Quick John's line. He don't know what he said,
Speaker 1: is he because he made his chops in La. He did,
Speaker 1: That's what he That's why he claims La the way
Speaker 1: he does. He's a queen's inga. He said it, Yo,
Speaker 1: come on so but but but he went, if you
Speaker 1: don't came Queen's nigga.
Speaker 5: This is it?
Speaker 1: But is it? He went back to Cali and he
Speaker 1: never came back. Yeah he didn't. Yeah, you know he
Speaker 1: made his bones and Cali he did. He made He
Speaker 1: was on the West Coast all stars like he's on the.
Speaker 2: West Coast more than he was in New York. With that,
Speaker 2: he's not wrong with that. But he did say something
Speaker 2: about X and XS rom style. And I've told people
Speaker 2: this a million times, extra ram any fucking thing, and
Speaker 2: it would have sounded dope because of his voice. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of people that could do that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Excell could have did. Mary had a little Lamb and
Speaker 2: the ship would have been ill.
Speaker 1: He did, He did, had.
Speaker 2: Married Lamb, and the Lamb of fact, I love the
Speaker 2: Lamb loved me because I'm d.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that nigga was ill. The whole dark
Speaker 1: communities a word. I told people on top.
Speaker 2: You can put d MX on any fucking record, any record,
Speaker 2: country music, and the ship was still bad. You can
Speaker 2: put Dolly parton nine to five working nine to five. Well,
Speaker 2: the way to make a lead. See that ship is crazy.
Speaker 2: So X go with everything.
Speaker 1: That's just saying that everything go everything.
Speaker 2: And then Swiss told me the nigga didn't want to
Speaker 2: do Party Out. Swiss told me that, Wow, that nigga
Speaker 2: hated Party Up. Rough Riders Anthem was Swiss's first. He
Speaker 2: didn't want to He didn't want to do that record,
Speaker 2: and that records the creator, the Illis Records, ever.
Speaker 1: Son Swiss second placements, Badfoot TV. We continue bad TV.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah we already heard how you
Speaker 5: fucked that up because he said, wung it up.
Speaker 1: He said he wanted to make a beat and you
Speaker 1: didn't let him make a.
Speaker 4: Beat because that was like he gave him a loop.
Speaker 4: That record was what you want me to That's one
Speaker 4: of the greatest part records.
Speaker 2: Didn't you say that?
Speaker 1: List a hundred another drink hold not even know I
Speaker 1: wanted to drinks. It's a nigga record. It's not a
Speaker 1: girl record. The girls don't love band from look at
Speaker 1: the DJ and you No, yes, yeah, nigga.
Speaker 2: Normous said I'm never making a record with you, even
Speaker 2: if your woman fun the whole crew. I was like,
Speaker 2: he's aspect Yeah, I was thinking, but then he still
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 1: No, never intersectional, like he said, I'm gonna put I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is this nigga? Come on, come on.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it. I expect the gambling shoot out
Speaker 1: to the backyard house.
Speaker 2: You need to have shoot out in the background.
Speaker 1: Ironically, it's really that I see him word that. I
Speaker 1: promise you. They got pictures and everything that proved. I say,
Speaker 1: you remember this. It was a little little yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a cookout. Yeah yeah, just smelled good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is not I was not seen at that time exactly.
Speaker 1: It was I think, like ten, oh, I see you
Speaker 1: have to remember something. No, No, West Irish and West
Speaker 1: remembering something because.
Speaker 4: You're twenty four now, so this gotta be yeah, this
Speaker 4: gotta be yeah, because it's gotta be eight years.
Speaker 1: By the way, I got to flip coming.
Speaker 2: I got the flicks because if not seen was twenty four,
Speaker 2: he was one and she's twenty five.
Speaker 1: So let me just tell you something.
Speaker 4: Here's here's here's after this happened because Daddy came to
Speaker 4: my crib that level.
Speaker 1: It's like the only one time because I was coming
Speaker 1: to your crib. Yeah, hold on, look, so this the
Speaker 1: only time Chris he came to my crib. And then
Speaker 1: joh U was there and he's managing joh Ru at
Speaker 1: the time. I don't believe he's managing fifty at the time.
Speaker 1: He wasn't.
Speaker 2: Next week he started managing fifty knowing that was the yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he bought his bread bread and then fifty dropped
Speaker 4: the freestyle.
Speaker 1: He said I know where no he lived, you live
Speaker 1: by Norri crib. I said, oh s moved, Yeah, there
Speaker 1: he got. He thought it was me that y'ah moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was getting that like that j Long money
Speaker 2: right and the writing he did on Mary right.
Speaker 1: He made a lot of level right.
Speaker 4: And then fifty made a freestyle. I know where Norri lived, Yo?
Speaker 4: You live by Norri krib How.
Speaker 1: Does the manager managed that? That's what I want to know,
Speaker 1: Chris managed. It makes a noise for Chris like you
Speaker 1: got that hold on.
Speaker 4: These niggas got an ice cream section, yo, yo yo,
Speaker 4: This nigga league got an ice cream section? Coldly is
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna lie he taking he's taking a bathroom break.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna. I'm enjoyed this, pappy me too. Brother,
Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, yes, yes, thank you, because I got listen.
Speaker 1: Listen you.
Speaker 4: You being my olgi from Queens is one thing. Being
Speaker 4: my og and hip hop is another thing. You being
Speaker 4: my og overall is everything absolutely and you my friend too.
Speaker 1: I fuck with you.
Speaker 2: You ain't never changed on me, and.
Speaker 1: You never changed on me. Bro.
Speaker 2: You know what when I saw you outside of of
Speaker 2: the fucking rock the bell ship and was like you good,
Speaker 2: I was like, that's my nigga right there, Like the
Speaker 2: nigga was like are you good? You had a thousand
Speaker 2: niggas with you? Yes, I did, and I'm still worried
Speaker 2: about what I'm good. And then I came he y'all
Speaker 2: there gave me.
Speaker 1: A ball you.
Speaker 4: Goddamn do you want another one? Yeah, go ahead, because
Speaker 4: because for real, like nah, that's for real ship.
Speaker 1: And let me say this before the same thing.
Speaker 2: I am so fucking proud of you, thank you, because
Speaker 2: you've pivoted it. Yes, right, and you made something that
Speaker 2: everybody is following. You Gotta realize everything you're doing right
Speaker 2: now is what everybody else is trying to do right now,
Speaker 2: but they can't do it the way you do it.
Speaker 2: Because when I watch you, I mean, like this nigga,
Speaker 2: noway did this? Like this nigga actually did homework, Like
Speaker 2: you're not just asking niggas regular ship.
Speaker 1: You bring up ship niggas be like, how the fuck
Speaker 1: you know that?
Speaker 2: Because y'all are doing your homework, man, and that's why
Speaker 2: y'all deserve what y'all getting, and that's why y'all a
Speaker 2: number more motherfucking podcast.
Speaker 1: Like goddamn, not to say, I ain't coming for your ass.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, No, no, no, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, come on all time.
Speaker 2: But I admire it. But I admire it and I
Speaker 2: learned from it. And my wife is my podcast partner.
Speaker 1: Right now, you got a couple of relationships, yeah.
Speaker 2: Miss fruit. That's my that's my wife. They call her fruit, okay,
Speaker 2: and she's my podcast partner man. And we just we
Speaker 2: talk our ship. We don't always talk relationships, but we
Speaker 2: just I'm in a good place right now.
Speaker 1: How much more? Not probably after this week, but let's
Speaker 1: let's finish that pappy me motherfucking ed lover. And if
Speaker 1: you don't drink a little bit of pappy, you know what, you.
Speaker 5: Know, my wife told me you probably might drink some
Speaker 5: of the ship that they're gonna drink because ed Love
Speaker 5: is gonna tell you drink a little.
Speaker 1: Something, a little pappy. You gotta have a a little
Speaker 1: bit of this, give me a little And my wife
Speaker 1: told me to be careful.
Speaker 2: And you know what, I'm gonna fall to the trap
Speaker 2: and she told me, can I get a little bit
Speaker 2: of it?
Speaker 1: A little bit? Come on, No, we share out because
Speaker 1: I need you to have I need if you never
Speaker 1: you've never had this, relax, buddy, have you had this never? Okay?
Speaker 2: Okay, you're gonna understand why this is the best ship
Speaker 2: on the market.
Speaker 1: I drink Mahanna don't taste like then it's gonna taste
Speaker 1: like cream soda.
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna be like henna.
Speaker 1: Taste like root bell. So we killed that whole bottle
Speaker 1: of papping is not damn, this ship is smooth.
Speaker 8: Broke me up, but absolutely I'm not doing anything else.
Speaker 2: Good hold on, relax, pause for for reaction.
Speaker 1: You're a drink champ. You're supposed to already know that
Speaker 1: he drinks everything.
Speaker 2: No, no, but yeah, but we stick. I stick to
Speaker 2: my own ship. I'm very happy. I asked me to
Speaker 2: drink that mama wana.
Speaker 1: I was, but I drank pappy. You gotta drink my majuana.
Speaker 1: Look and trust me, this is not as bad as
Speaker 1: I already knew when I came here. I have to drink.
Speaker 1: Let's go. That's it, to the drink champs, to the
Speaker 1: drink chances and family.
Speaker 2: Here we go, super super super something. God damn, I'm
Speaker 2: not taking a home. You can't go from that. I
Speaker 2: need some plastic.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you can do voodoo with this whatever
Speaker 1: you want about. I mean, we're gonna make sure we
Speaker 1: got back. You got a case. Where's the case? You
Speaker 1: got the case at case of what we want to
Speaker 1: John case of the high School Blues and go, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and those are gold flowers that will
Speaker 1: not die because your legacy will never die. Thank you,
Speaker 1: man man hold on not for real.
Speaker 4: I want to thank you for the out of my
Speaker 4: heart and when whatever I said, I'm pretty sure comes
Speaker 4: with my partner.
Speaker 1: We love what you did. We love the platform that
Speaker 1: you laid out.
Speaker 4: Whenever you see somebody being theyself on a hip hop platform,
Speaker 4: you need to pat yourself on the back.
Speaker 2: Because the one mean.
Speaker 1: Descent truly becomes from you and your partner.
Speaker 4: I don't want to forget him because he's not here,
Speaker 4: and we wish him at speedy recovery.
Speaker 1: We wish him you know next time we come, dre
Speaker 1: gonna be with have it so dope.
Speaker 4: But we want you to know, same way you told
Speaker 4: me every time I've seen you anywhere, that your platform
Speaker 4: is my platform. And this is the three sixty that
Speaker 4: kaya your live show is the three sixty of me
Speaker 4: telling me telling you that our.
Speaker 1: Platform is your platform. I don't care what you want
Speaker 1: to promote. You want to promote candles that comes with
Speaker 1: toenail wax because and we killed that pappy together. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, hanging with us,
Speaker 1: and letting us, allowing you to give you the flowers
Speaker 1: that you deserve, because this is real ship. You deserve
Speaker 1: everything that we said. None of us is exaggerating. This
Speaker 1: is something that we all came out we want to do.
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