Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Runs, Rob Phillips, and Bill June.
Speaker 1: It's a Tuesday at the Star in Fresco. We are
Speaker 1: inside the SWBC Mortgage studios here and this is talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: An off day for the players, but not all the
Speaker 1: players have already seen a couple out here. There's never
Speaker 1: an off day when you're talking football season. Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, Bryan and brought us as we
Speaker 1: turn our attention to the Green Bay Packers now this
Speaker 1: week after the loss to the Saints on Sunday night,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at the corner poll of this season with
Speaker 1: a three and one record. Gentlemen, how are you doing
Speaker 1: on this very fine Tuesday morning? Doing well? Good? Great?
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones at his weekly radio appearance on one oh
Speaker 1: five three the Fan this morning, had a little injury
Speaker 1: update from doctor Jones this morning and he is pleased
Speaker 1: with the good news from the MRI on Tyron Smith yesterday.
Speaker 1: Anybody listened to Jerry this morning, best they could have
Speaker 1: hoped for is what he said. The sprained ankle, so
Speaker 1: he said unlikely for Sunday, but I don't know that
Speaker 1: it's probably trending that way where they're preparing for Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming to be your left tackle against the Packers and
Speaker 1: then hopefully after that he's back, which you know, when
Speaker 1: you watch the replay of his of Dak fall into
Speaker 1: his ankle, you're thinking this could be really serious and
Speaker 1: didn't turn out that way. So some fortunate news there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got guys that you know, these players when they
Speaker 1: get injured. What we've seen kind of a history a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier in this season is that you know,
Speaker 1: we'd say, oh, it's this and this and this as
Speaker 1: far as the time length and all that stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But if you get a player that's willing to do
Speaker 1: whatever he has to do to get back out there,
Speaker 1: I think that's where it's really been the case with
Speaker 1: this whole crew. If you look at guys like Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at again Michael Gallup, guys like
Speaker 1: that that they said, oh, two to four weeks, well,
Speaker 1: you know, these guys are trending more on one week
Speaker 1: two weeks like that, you know. And then a guy
Speaker 1: like Tyrn Smith loves to play football, he knows how
Speaker 1: important it is for him to be out there, and
Speaker 1: he'll do everything in his power. You know, if he
Speaker 1: has to to miss a game this week, well we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens with the Jets. But they've been real
Speaker 1: fortunate with those injuries. But they've been even more fortunate
Speaker 1: that they have the right kind of guy that's going
Speaker 1: to do everything in his power to get back. I
Speaker 1: think that. I think Antoine Woods is a similar kind
Speaker 1: of guy, you know, doing everything he can to get
Speaker 1: back out there and play. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: you know, you have to have willing players, and it
Speaker 1: has he's always been the case in the recent history.
Speaker 1: It hasn't always been the case. And you know, you
Speaker 1: have willing rehab guys, you know, Britt Brown, Jim Marry,
Speaker 1: those guys are all willing, and but you have to
Speaker 1: have the player to be willing to do it. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what they've got these guys. And that's
Speaker 1: why I think we've seen some of these guys come
Speaker 1: back on shorter stints than say, oh it's a six
Speaker 1: week or a five week or eight whatever. Week. You know,
Speaker 1: they've they've got guys coming back. I think we also
Speaker 1: need a little more accurate in reporting too. Well. The
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods one was that just was off to begin with.
Speaker 1: But one was off, yeah, because it wasn't a high
Speaker 1: ankle spring. Okay, and that's twice now, oh for two
Speaker 1: on high ankle sprains. Yeah, I mean. And then that's
Speaker 1: one of the advantages we have living in this building.
Speaker 1: You know, Mickey is able to walk up or on
Speaker 1: a plane ride home and walk up to somebody and say, hey,
Speaker 1: what exactly is wrong here? And as you get on
Speaker 1: the plane they will tell you this is what we
Speaker 1: saw in the X ray or the MRI or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then uh, then you know, you get accurate reporting.
Speaker 1: That way. People are quick to make these these comments
Speaker 1: and analysis when they just could you know, wait a
Speaker 1: little bit and get the accurate part of it. And
Speaker 1: just like with not all ACL injuries are the same,
Speaker 1: I would assume not all quote unquote high ankle springs
Speaker 1: are the same you get and you know, we've been
Speaker 1: finding that out too, because I think there was one
Speaker 1: last year, you know, and it was going to be
Speaker 1: six weeks and it was like two or three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody came back. So yeah, it's not you can't just
Speaker 1: put everything into this classified order. Okay. It sounds bad though,
Speaker 1: when you when you hear a high ankle, usually thinking
Speaker 1: just might as well been broken, But no, it's uh.
Speaker 1: In this case, you and tough guys wanted to get back.
Speaker 1: Know how important the season is. Nobody wants to let
Speaker 1: anybody down again. You got those players, you got a
Speaker 1: staff that's willing to put in all the hard work
Speaker 1: to make sure everything like that's taken care of. And
Speaker 1: so I put my faith in my hand, in those
Speaker 1: guys hands, that those guys are gonna be back. Hell,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised again. Jerry talked about it. He says,
Speaker 1: don't rule out Michael Gallup. And Michael Gallup is out
Speaker 1: there running routes right now with san Jay Lyle and
Speaker 1: Britt Brown and all those guys standing there watching him
Speaker 1: do it. And he could and he could prove that.
Speaker 1: He says, Hey, you know I'm good. I could cut,
Speaker 1: I could dip, I can do what I can jump.
Speaker 1: I can do everything I have to do to protect
Speaker 1: myself in this game, and playing this game by all means.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see Michael Gallup this week, if that's
Speaker 1: if that's the way it is. In the car, he
Speaker 1: was trying to convince him that he could play last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and He didn't win the argument, but he was pushing
Speaker 1: the play because he thought he was running well enough.
Speaker 1: And I think possibly this week the same team thing
Speaker 1: with Antoine Woods. Yes, if you watch absolutely rehabbing, he's
Speaker 1: moving really well. Yeah. So yeah, they need those guys all.
Speaker 1: You know, Garrett talks about all hands on deck, You mean,
Speaker 1: think about taking weapons away and trying to play that game.
Speaker 1: You play that game against the Saints the other day
Speaker 1: without Michael Gallup. You sure could have used him on
Speaker 1: some of those incut routes, some slants. Maybe he generates
Speaker 1: a little offense for you. Maybe he takes a little
Speaker 1: pressure off somebody having to cover all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: if if if he's over here wearing somebody out, maybe
Speaker 1: they have to move Ladaim we're over there. Well then
Speaker 1: that that frees up Cooper. So yeah, you start taking
Speaker 1: weapons off the field and your team becomes compromised, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose games twelve to ten. That that's just
Speaker 1: the way the NFL is. One area, you have to
Speaker 1: win a game twelve to ten. Yeah, they did they
Speaker 1: want they did. They won without Drew Brees at quarterback.
Speaker 1: Give him credit. They played exactly how they needed to play.
Speaker 1: One area where Gallup has really grown is making contested catches,
Speaker 1: and I think that comes with just being a stronger
Speaker 1: player this year. I mean, you go back and you
Speaker 1: watch that Saints game. There are a lot of tight
Speaker 1: window throws to make that I think he could have
Speaker 1: helped in that area, no question about it. They got
Speaker 1: some separation on the Eli Apple for or you know,
Speaker 1: just not enough of that, just not enough, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've had a chance to examine
Speaker 1: further what happened defensively, what the Saints were doing that
Speaker 1: put the Cowboys off kilter. Clog and cover and cover
Speaker 1: two where two of the things that you know, clog
Speaker 1: and cover is my way of saying rush three, drop eight.
Speaker 1: They were going to make Dak Prescott beating him in
Speaker 1: this game as well as Dak Prescott had played the
Speaker 1: previous three weeks. Uh. They they were determined that, okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll stop this running game. And they did. They
Speaker 1: did a great job. We've talked about what what uh
Speaker 1: you know what those guys did up front, you know,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brown, those guys, they did a great job of
Speaker 1: controlling the line of scrimmage. They got just enough pressure
Speaker 1: on Prescott and you know, no sacks until the very end,
Speaker 1: but got just enough pressure to kind of affect him.
Speaker 1: But on the secondary, they covered very very well. Lattimore
Speaker 1: had one of his best games of the year and
Speaker 1: what he did with Cooper. Rob talked about the the
Speaker 1: the whole thing with you know, uh didn't nyeing those routes,
Speaker 1: making sure that they weren't able to execute them to
Speaker 1: the best of their ability. But yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: Cover two and then a lot of drop eight to
Speaker 1: make to have to make Prescott make those throws. And
Speaker 1: they were able to stop the running game without loading
Speaker 1: the box every snap. And when you can do that,
Speaker 1: you can continue to play that shell defense and just
Speaker 1: kind of keep things in front of you. Absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: what they were able to do. You know, you look
Speaker 1: at what the Saints have up front on defense, and
Speaker 1: they got Sheldon Rankin's back, and then you were talked
Speaker 1: about Malcolm Brown and how well he played in the game,
Speaker 1: and then with the ends Davenport as well as Cam Jordan.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got four first round draft picks there,
Speaker 1: I think in this day and age in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And then those are the type players mobile defensive lineman
Speaker 1: that Rod Marinilli is always looking for, especially though in
Speaker 1: this day and age in the NFL. Getting those active,
Speaker 1: you know, high motor guys up front, even against Pro
Speaker 1: bowlers on an offensive line, they can give you fits. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what. And I heard Jason this after the
Speaker 1: game and Dak said it too, talking about their front
Speaker 1: and he kept talking about their movement. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how much they were moving, like before the snap
Speaker 1: or at the snap, but it was almost like you
Speaker 1: were trying to hit a target and you were a
Speaker 1: step half step slow because you had you're not looking
Speaker 1: at the ball, crowd noise, and the crowd noise, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not an excuse, it's real. No, it's real. And
Speaker 1: so with their moving at the last second, you're having
Speaker 1: trouble making adjustments, and you know, guys were missing up
Speaker 1: front well, and you know, and that led to not
Speaker 1: being able to run the ball. And that's what they
Speaker 1: invited you to do. They put an invitation out there.
Speaker 1: You think you can run against us, come out at us,
Speaker 1: and they couldn't. Saints had the same problem protecting, I mean,
Speaker 1: and it was a home game for them. Movement gave
Speaker 1: them a lot of problems in that game. So if
Speaker 1: you've got active guys, if you've got down guys that
Speaker 1: can twist and stunt and cause problems, and you got
Speaker 1: a linebacker that could play physically like Smith does when
Speaker 1: he blitzes, then that makes all the difference in the world.
Speaker 1: You can affect the pocket, you know, I mean, things
Speaker 1: look so bleak at the end of that game with
Speaker 1: them maybe getting the ball back and they get a
Speaker 1: huge sack kicks him out of field goal range even too.
Speaker 1: So you know, give both defenses a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for the way that they played. The Saints were just
Speaker 1: a little bit better at defending the run than the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were in that game, and which allowed them to
Speaker 1: have longer drives and they didn't convert into touchdowns. They
Speaker 1: kicked field goals, and you can go back and look,
Speaker 1: and there was a couple instances where it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: that was kind of a gift field goal. You know,
Speaker 1: if you don't go for it on fourth down, maybe
Speaker 1: you don't fumble, and if you don't fumble, maybe they
Speaker 1: don't get the ball back. And if they don't get
Speaker 1: the ball back, maybe they don't go down and kick
Speaker 1: a field goal with no time left. I still applaud
Speaker 1: him from it was the right call, was absolutely, you
Speaker 1: know what he you know, it's you're trying to get
Speaker 1: your team going. And I always I've been very critical
Speaker 1: of him of not knowing the pulse of his team.
Speaker 1: He knew the pulse of his team. He knew, Hey,
Speaker 1: I have to do something here. You know. It didn't
Speaker 1: work out, and you know, unfortunately that's the case. But
Speaker 1: I applaud him for trying to be aggressive in that.
Speaker 1: I was. I was waiting for Sean Payton to try
Speaker 1: to steal a possession. Yeah, I was waiting for something
Speaker 1: because I figured, you know what, at some point he's
Speaker 1: gonna he's he's not scoring enough and he wants an
Speaker 1: extra possession. Better watch out for that onsite kick. You
Speaker 1: never faked up last year in this game. Yeah remember that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, Yeah, because he's he's had an on site
Speaker 1: kick in the Super Bowl before, so you never you
Speaker 1: never know. And he did try some misdirection stuff in
Speaker 1: the first half to try to help Bridgewall. He's trying
Speaker 1: to take the pressure off Bridgewall exactly. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: and he did and they got twelve points. My god,
Speaker 1: if you give up twelve points you ought to win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough on that, but didn't allent good game
Speaker 1: plan for them, good game plan the ld Bell product.
Speaker 1: I knew that was kind Is that right? I didn't
Speaker 1: know that? Yeah, you knew that. I knew that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course he knew that. You know. I was just
Speaker 1: thinking what you've been should uh Sean Payton to the
Speaker 1: on side kick? When who knows if where John Payton
Speaker 1: his what his legacy will wind up being. But I
Speaker 1: think maybe the signature moment, however long he coaches in
Speaker 1: his career, he can be coaching for fifty years and
Speaker 1: people will remember that a sign the signature moment of
Speaker 1: his career. I'll tell you my signature moment with Sean
Speaker 1: Payton was when he was a the lowest wrong coach
Speaker 1: on our staff in Philadelphia. He was the quality control
Speaker 1: guy basically for us, the lowest of the coaches, and
Speaker 1: we gave him the quarterbacks to evaluate and he said,
Speaker 1: he says, if you're gonna he goes, if I had
Speaker 1: a choice between Manning and and Leaf, he goes, I'm
Speaker 1: taking Manning every single time. He's gonna have a longer,
Speaker 1: better career. And he kind of gave a litany of things.
Speaker 1: He also said, he goes, someone needs to draft Matt Hasselbeck.
Speaker 1: He goes, Matt Hasselbeck will have a long career, and
Speaker 1: I'm like a kid from Boston College. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: trust me, this guy will have have a long career
Speaker 1: and he'll play well for somebody, and somebody will take
Speaker 1: him late. Sean was a really good evaluator of players.
Speaker 1: He really had a good eye of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know why he liked Hasselbeck coming. He know, he
Speaker 1: studied his he studied his game. He liked the fact
Speaker 1: he thought that that Hasselbeck was a leader. He really
Speaker 1: liked the fact of how accurate he could throw the
Speaker 1: football and he could throw it down the field. But
Speaker 1: he was on me about that in that nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: eight draft. He says, hey, you need a quarterback. You
Speaker 1: had to take this Matt Hasselbeck because he's gonna play,
Speaker 1: he is going to be a good player. And he did.
Speaker 1: He Oh, Sean always had a rule. I think Jason
Speaker 1: Garretts are rually good evaluator as well. If you have
Speaker 1: a head coach that's a good evaluator, that makes all
Speaker 1: the difference in the world of how your scouting apartment
Speaker 1: can run, and Jason grew up obviously around it. The
Speaker 1: football evaluation part of his scout DYEA and Hasselbeck being
Speaker 1: a that's I was wondering if that might be something
Speaker 1: where Peyton said, Okay, he's from an athletic family. Well,
Speaker 1: he just he evaluated the Boston College tape. He really
Speaker 1: liked him a lot. That's what I'll remember. Not much
Speaker 1: an onsite kick. I remember he sort of liked h
Speaker 1: some guy named Romo. Well, that was where I was going.
Speaker 1: We were at the Combine two years ago. I got
Speaker 1: to sit down with him about for Deep Blue, and
Speaker 1: he was thought. He was so on the phone trying
Speaker 1: to get the Romo thing done. And I know there
Speaker 1: was the Eastern Illinois connection and all that, but he
Speaker 1: has a knack worked in the whole draft. Yeah. For Actually,
Speaker 1: my signature moment with him was turning down l Davis
Speaker 1: for a head coaching job and staying with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: for another year, which turned out pretty good decision. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: Drew Henson. Remind me what Parcels thought of Drew Henson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we listened to stick Michael, the general manager of the Yankee. Michael. Yeah,
Speaker 1: stick Michael. Here is he's trying to tell us how
Speaker 1: to evaluate football players, you know, and I'm thinking, you
Speaker 1: know what we need to tell him. He's got this
Speaker 1: guy named Mariona Rivera. You might want to bring him
Speaker 1: out of the bullpen. He might can help you win
Speaker 1: some some games. That's what I felt like saying. We
Speaker 1: should have what was what did he say? That great athlete?
Speaker 1: You know, he's got a guy, he's got you know,
Speaker 1: the arm angles and all that. Sean Payton absolutely hated him,
Speaker 1: hated him. We side sat down with Sean Payton and
Speaker 1: watched nine games of Michigan. He goes, this guy can't play.
Speaker 1: He goes this guy, he goes, I don't know whatever
Speaker 1: he's seen in this guy, this guy, how about how
Speaker 1: about have career he had? He tricked him in baseball
Speaker 1: and football, Well tricked him in both, and at Michigan
Speaker 1: he started ahead of Tom Brad. Yeah, we're I know,
Speaker 1: periscope's losing their mind right now because we're talking about this.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm just saying that that's okay. But but this,
Speaker 1: this is, this is, this is this is why again
Speaker 1: Sean Payton was the only one in that room. It's
Speaker 1: till Bill parcels he cannot play. I would not take
Speaker 1: this guy, Sean. I mean I remember that clear as
Speaker 1: the day, because Sean had Sean had problems with his mechanics.
Speaker 1: He used to drag. The guy would drag his elbow
Speaker 1: to throw and thus the ball. He'd had problem with
Speaker 1: his accuracy and stuff like that, and Sean's like, I
Speaker 1: had problems with his processing, Yeah, well I can throw it.
Speaker 1: He was a maybe a four point student. What he
Speaker 1: was a classic example of a point player or whatever
Speaker 1: he was who couldn't process quickly on the field. That
Speaker 1: happens that basically you could only give him, okay, he
Speaker 1: can throw to this side of the field on this play,
Speaker 1: and don't give him a whole fee. Took a lot
Speaker 1: of heat for that one because he was the only
Speaker 1: one in the room. And again we're listening to stick
Speaker 1: Michael ge Michael the general manage for the Yankees, tell
Speaker 1: us what a great person and player and all that
Speaker 1: he is. And I'm like, why in the hell is
Speaker 1: he not playing for the Yankees? Then why is he
Speaker 1: trying to sell us? They got us on a conference
Speaker 1: call and did this in conference. This quarterback gets us
Speaker 1: back to Dak. Yeah, and when you look at what
Speaker 1: he did in college as a scout and trying to
Speaker 1: figure out can he make the transition to the NFL.
Speaker 1: And one of the big things is, all right, you
Speaker 1: really don't know base probably off his college stuff, whether
Speaker 1: he can process what he can read an NFL defense whatever,
Speaker 1: because he didn't haven't seen it before, you don't know
Speaker 1: what he can do. I think the thing with Dak
Speaker 1: that makes everybody you fall in love with him at
Speaker 1: Mississippi State was the fact of how hard he worked,
Speaker 1: how he did everything in his hour. You talk to
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen, you talk to the coaches there at Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: Everybody was talking about work ethic, that he was going
Speaker 1: to do everything he and his power to get it
Speaker 1: and to understand it and to try. I think that
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett has talked about that as well here. So
Speaker 1: you know, you might not have seen it in college,
Speaker 1: but if you've got the ability, the desire, the want
Speaker 1: to the athletes guy, yeah, yeah, if you got that
Speaker 1: the leader, all those things translate into what you can do.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about Dak and this is where
Speaker 1: we are here, coming off a loss, the extreme confidence
Speaker 1: with which he goes about everything that he does, and
Speaker 1: it just it's infectious in that locker room. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talk about twenty four hour rule in this league.
Speaker 1: This team has moved past that New Orleans game by now.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll learn from it though a little bit. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you learned a little bit. Yeah, all right, give us
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Speaker 1: Cowboys at the quarter pole of this season. Who had
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at three and one through the first four
Speaker 1: games of the season. That's kind of what I thought,
Speaker 1: bet we all did. Yeah, I think that Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: would you now? I had them at three and old? Okay, Jim, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I thought Drew Brees would be playing for the
Speaker 1: Sames too, So that's the other so well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think they should be. Absolutely, they should be. They
Speaker 1: should be. They should have found a way, they should
Speaker 1: have found a way to score more than ten points. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Key's right right ahead thirteen. I'm always right, you guys.
Speaker 1: Forget that mark that Caden please drop. That's why, that's
Speaker 1: why we're struggling. So then think, ah, I think you
Speaker 1: just look at the schedule those first three games and
Speaker 1: you say, yes, they should be three and oh it's
Speaker 1: always tough. I mean, Mickey's right, it's not an excuse
Speaker 1: going into the dome and dealing with that noise. But
Speaker 1: I thought Stephen Jones made a good point, you know,
Speaker 1: on the fan yesterday, that you've got to be able
Speaker 1: to execute despite that noise unless you're gonna get home
Speaker 1: field advantage, and that's a possibility. Um, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go in these hostile environments and be able to
Speaker 1: handle it. And I don't think they felt like they
Speaker 1: handled it well enough in the game. The pre snap
Speaker 1: communication fine, I mean really good, no pre snap penalties,
Speaker 1: but the execution part of it. I think Brian wrote
Speaker 1: about it yesterday. Eleven first down runs. I know that's
Speaker 1: a big topic coming out of this game, but there
Speaker 1: were some miss blocks and missopportunities there from your game.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with eleven first down run? I say there was,
Speaker 1: but everybody was making an issue out of it because
Speaker 1: that's why they lost. They'll tell you why, they'll Mickey,
Speaker 1: and I'll answer a question because analytics guys will tell
Speaker 1: you that eleven first down runs only netted one point
Speaker 1: eight yards and the other when they threw the ball
Speaker 1: they averaged over seven yards a catch. Well, yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. So if I throw the ball on first
Speaker 1: down and I don't complete it, how many do I average? Yeah? Zero?
Speaker 1: And then what are you doing second down? Well, that's
Speaker 1: throwing again. And what are you doing third down? You're
Speaker 1: throwing again? Yeah, and then you just canned your running back. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what the analytics. What the analytics
Speaker 1: are saying that it's not always common sense. Say do
Speaker 1: me a favorite, Mickey, because I was trying. I was
Speaker 1: working on something because I was hearing that there that
Speaker 1: maybe they were looking into signing Josh Jones today. But
Speaker 1: you know the safety that used to be the Packers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's going to be to the practice squad,
Speaker 1: not to the active roster. Because and said, we've either
Speaker 1: moved somebody up or signed somebody off the street. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they failed to make earlier. Cavan Frasier, of course,
Speaker 1: placed on ir with the pectoral. Yes, so Josh Jones,
Speaker 1: you keep an eye on that one right there. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm sorry. I was doing it, Mickey, and you
Speaker 1: just you just were making a point, and I, uh,
Speaker 1: you know about what you were saying. No, I was
Speaker 1: just saying, I don't understand why. You know, they had
Speaker 1: twelve first down passes eleven first down runs, So just
Speaker 1: because you pass on first down doesn't mean you're going
Speaker 1: to complete it. There's no Well they started the game
Speaker 1: with the past. Yeah, look, and they did it just
Speaker 1: it was down from the first three games. That's why
Speaker 1: it's a topic right now. But how because they were
Speaker 1: able to spread them out in the first three games,
Speaker 1: and do did the other team play? How did the defense?
Speaker 1: And I think you're trying to run to kind of
Speaker 1: get get my theory, get Zeke established and take the
Speaker 1: crowd out of it. I think it's what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do. I think I think this is my theory
Speaker 1: on why they did what they did, especially on first down,
Speaker 1: and we had this discussion with Jason Garrett is that
Speaker 1: the one thing he told Kellen Moore was when you
Speaker 1: play with crowd noise, get the play in quick. Get
Speaker 1: the play in quick. So with that being said, okay,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore could be in a situation we're saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like I can run with I can run
Speaker 1: the football. Teams have run the football against these guys
Speaker 1: as before. You know, maybe I need to find it,
Speaker 1: not maybe I need to get the play in quick
Speaker 1: and allow Dak to make his adjustments whatever he has
Speaker 1: to do. If he wants to check the play, he
Speaker 1: could check the play. But I have a feeling that
Speaker 1: they got out of it a little bit because of
Speaker 1: the situation of the crowd noise. I felt like that
Speaker 1: they that they said, Okay, we're going to We're going
Speaker 1: to get that play in and then let Dak be
Speaker 1: the determining factor on this play of what if we're
Speaker 1: going to go run or pass. That's just that's just
Speaker 1: the theory I have because when you deal if you're
Speaker 1: if people asking about why not all the ships and
Speaker 1: motions and stuff like that, that takes time, That takes
Speaker 1: communication a lot harder to do this. It's a lot
Speaker 1: harder to do in that environment. And so to me,
Speaker 1: if you get a play in, if you say, okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to run the football and first down, I
Speaker 1: think Kellen Moore went in with the confidence that he
Speaker 1: could run the ball in first down, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's a little bit why that he was able to
Speaker 1: again get the play in, let Dak make the adjustment
Speaker 1: and then go from there. And yeah, Saints did a
Speaker 1: great job. I mean, they did a great job. But
Speaker 1: again the analytics guys will argue, and I'm not an
Speaker 1: analytics guy. I'm not at all. I'm more like Mickey
Speaker 1: than an analytics guy. But I also understand that if
Speaker 1: you're telling me I could get it seven yards a
Speaker 1: pass and I'm getting two little under two yards a
Speaker 1: carry on first down, that maybe I need to make
Speaker 1: some type of adjustment. That's all I'm That's all that
Speaker 1: I think the analytics guys are saying. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know that goes back to the Tony Pollard issue because
Speaker 1: he gets two snaps on offense and maybe they were
Speaker 1: worried about him and Blitz pick up. Well maybe, but
Speaker 1: I see, but you can also do other things to
Speaker 1: get him involved too, right there, Maybe there's a package.
Speaker 1: Especially with Gallop not in the game, maybe you could
Speaker 1: get him involved a little bit. I get Garrett's point
Speaker 1: about Zeke wasn't tired. They didn't have a lot of plays.
Speaker 1: It's not like you had to spell him there. But
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised he wasn't a little more
Speaker 1: involved because he is versatile and you can put him
Speaker 1: in different spots to maybe try to get something gone.
Speaker 1: I'd love to have handed him the ball a couple
Speaker 1: of times on the edge, you know, maybe try that,
Speaker 1: you know, try to kind of soft him up on
Speaker 1: the outside a little bit and maybe spread him out.
Speaker 1: But I love running the football. I'm I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: you know, I pissed a lot of people off saying
Speaker 1: that because every you'll say, oh, and that in this
Speaker 1: day and age, you got to be able to throw
Speaker 1: an I agree. I mean, you have to throw to
Speaker 1: score points. But I think that nothing's better than when
Speaker 1: a team has that ability to run the football and
Speaker 1: be really good at it, you know. And I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys felt like that they were whether it's cavalier
Speaker 1: or not, they felt like that they were better than
Speaker 1: the Saints and they could run the football. Well, look,
Speaker 1: they just didn't. They just didn't look at the way
Speaker 1: this offensive line has played to that point. Sure, I'm
Speaker 1: as dominant as we've seen him in recent years, and
Speaker 1: that's why you just kind of have to you have
Speaker 1: to tip your cap to some degree to the Saints
Speaker 1: for what they were able to do up front. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to Jordan and Odessa. You're up on talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Hello Jordan, Hey guys, how's it going. Look? So, I
Speaker 1: was just trying to figure out all night why they
Speaker 1: seem to just run Zeke right into a wall all night.
Speaker 1: I didn't really see. I saw like a couple of
Speaker 1: you know, sweet passes or sweep runs, but I didn't
Speaker 1: see any type of zone running though, you know, just
Speaker 1: it was all into wall. I mean, when you get
Speaker 1: a brand new car, you don't just run it into
Speaker 1: a wall. You drive it around and test it out
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I just it seems so lackluster
Speaker 1: with the play calling me. I guess I could have
Speaker 1: been you know a lot of drop passes and stuff
Speaker 1: like that from the receivers, and I guess that's where
Speaker 1: you miss gallup. You know, he's so surehanded, But I mean,
Speaker 1: it just it seemed like we went went back to
Speaker 1: Scotland and had play calling. And I hate saying that
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of Cowboys fans on Twitter
Speaker 1: saying stuff like that, but that's just the way it
Speaker 1: looked to me. And uh, like, I'm with you, did
Speaker 1: you find Let me ask you a question, sir, did
Speaker 1: you find guys getting open? Did you find them? I mean,
Speaker 1: even I know you're watching TV copies, so that's probably
Speaker 1: an unfair question to you, but well, did you did
Speaker 1: you feel like even the passes that were thrown were
Speaker 1: open passes? Well? Man, these Saints, these Saints cornerbacks they played,
Speaker 1: they played a hell of a game. Sure, yeah, absolutely, Man,
Speaker 1: there was a couple of passes that we were really
Speaker 1: contested that these guys should have gotten. Um, And I'm
Speaker 1: sure they would say the same thing, that they should
Speaker 1: have gotten these passes. But um, the passes that I
Speaker 1: see dropped, you know, they weren't contested. Um, But there
Speaker 1: were a couple that were off target. Two there are
Speaker 1: a couple badly off target as well. Yeah. Absolutely, And man,
Speaker 1: the Saint. What I saw was the Saints they did
Speaker 1: a hell of a job tackling last Yeah, they starts today.
Speaker 1: Night and no question. Oh man, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a rough game, but you know, there's no reason to panic.
Speaker 1: I think these guys will pick it back up and
Speaker 1: if the defense continues to play like they did, and
Speaker 1: like you said, Brian, it was such a wasted effort
Speaker 1: on the law, But I mean it's only wasted. I
Speaker 1: see if if they they backtrack and um, if they
Speaker 1: build on this, I think these guys will be fine
Speaker 1: and I think they'll find a way to win. Thank you, Jordan.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you've talked yourself back off the ledge.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about that? God forbid? If
Speaker 1: they lose to the Packers, they could and they very
Speaker 1: well could, very well could. Huh what they've beat them
Speaker 1: once oide of the last eight times they faced him
Speaker 1: since oh nine, Yeah, welcome to the OC chair, kelln Or.
Speaker 1: This is you know, this is this is the job
Speaker 1: right here Union. It's not going to be the head
Speaker 1: coach next next week of the other week. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just gravy right for three weeks and now
Speaker 1: here we go. He was this is what his mentor
Speaker 1: dealt with for years. Da Dak was going to get
Speaker 1: a raise him or execution. Oh they just didn't execute.
Speaker 1: I know that. I'm sure they look at yesterday and said,
Speaker 1: we'd like to do that. Fans, Hey, when we say that,
Speaker 1: but you don't know, it's so true. It's so true,
Speaker 1: like when you look when you're missing, when all pro
Speaker 1: players are missing blocks. In the history of football, no
Speaker 1: one's ever blamed the players. They blamed the coaches or
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator of the defense. Jerry said, on the
Speaker 1: face it's the hottest seat in the NFL, not even
Speaker 1: the head coach. It's the OC because because everybody plays,
Speaker 1: everybody can come back Monday, and so this is what
Speaker 1: I would have done on Madden. So no one calls
Speaker 1: in and said this is what I would have done
Speaker 1: on defense. Yeah, I would not saying they could have
Speaker 1: done things different things differently. I'm sure they looked at
Speaker 1: it yesterday. Second. Guess that's that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 1: You feel like they played. Do you feel like the
Speaker 1: defense played well against Kamara and Thomas well enough to win?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say well, because they let him get away
Speaker 1: with a few too many runs. Yeah, but you get
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty one yards total offense like he
Speaker 1: did against Seattle the week before. Eighty nine. Sure, if
Speaker 1: you'd have told me that, I would have jumped out
Speaker 1: of my seat and said, let's go absolutely eighty nine
Speaker 1: yards for absolutely and Teddy Bridgewater throwing and you only
Speaker 1: give up twelve points. Ye. The thing, I'm sure, the
Speaker 1: thing they'd like to have back is to try to
Speaker 1: get off the field faster at the at the end
Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter, you know, they let him get
Speaker 1: a first down or two. I think they would love
Speaker 1: to not have it go back with just a minute
Speaker 1: left and it had not gone three and out when
Speaker 1: it was what five minutes to go in the game.
Speaker 1: That was killer. That was a killer, that three and
Speaker 1: out and right before Yeah, that was killer because that
Speaker 1: that right there, could that momentum after the sack and
Speaker 1: now a sudden you're you're getting the ball back. All
Speaker 1: you have to do is drive it on them, you know,
Speaker 1: and you kill You be the team that kills the
Speaker 1: game and goes and gets to win. And they couldn't
Speaker 1: do that. And that's something they've been pretty good at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been pretty good at moving the football. They just
Speaker 1: didn't move the football well enough. All Right, we continue
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Speaker 1: let's go to Sam and Spring Branch, Texas. Hello, Sam, HELLI,
Speaker 1: Good morning, guys, and I'm just sitting here waiting for
Speaker 1: that first real cold friends supposed to get here next week.
Speaker 1: Good luck with that, and well hurry it up deer
Speaker 1: hunting in shorts? Yeah, exactly. Um, just a quick question
Speaker 1: after four games, um, how many snaps has Sean Lee
Speaker 1: been averaging on the field, and how would you guys
Speaker 1: evaluate his play so far? And I'll hang up and
Speaker 1: listen you guys have a great afternoon. Thanks Bill. I'm
Speaker 1: relying on memory on the first three games. Most around
Speaker 1: fourteen A game he's played has been this week, I
Speaker 1: believe twenty nine, twenty eight, yesterday, I tell you yesterday,
Speaker 1: say it's thirty. Yeah, so he's had seventy five snaps
Speaker 1: in four games. Okay, there you go. But Yeah, this
Speaker 1: last game was the most math easier and and I
Speaker 1: think Jason Garrett said because they got him more bass.
Speaker 1: The Saints played more bass, and they probably did that
Speaker 1: because as of Teddy Bridgewater they played with the week before,
Speaker 1: they had a lot of two tighty. But he also
Speaker 1: came in and played to the middle linebacker when they
Speaker 1: went nickels sometimes to what are you see him? You
Speaker 1: know what, it's hard because I mean, I'll be critical
Speaker 1: and I have to be critical, and I'll be nice
Speaker 1: when I have to be nice. But to me, Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that gets into a flow
Speaker 1: of a game, and playing this way does not allow
Speaker 1: him to get in the flow of a game. So
Speaker 1: you're not going to see all the flash plays that
Speaker 1: that quick read behind the line of screamage, trap the
Speaker 1: back read the screen, get out there. You know. I
Speaker 1: think with Sean it's unfortunate that he is in this role.
Speaker 1: I know he embraces whatever he can do, but it's
Speaker 1: not it doesn't play to his strength. I think Sean
Speaker 1: Lee needs to be on the field, and Sean Lee
Speaker 1: needs to be playing fifty plays because he gets a
Speaker 1: feel for how to play the game. That way he
Speaker 1: knows how to excuse me, he knows how to play
Speaker 1: the game. He just get a feel being on and
Speaker 1: an off for five plays, being on being off for
Speaker 1: five you know, he doesn't get a feel for the game.
Speaker 1: And now, maybe who was the best strong side linebacker
Speaker 1: in Cowboys history is well, it's the game. It's not exact, dads,
Speaker 1: is yea what I was gonna say. In fact that
Speaker 1: you're talking, I'm sitting there going, Okay, there's a reason
Speaker 1: outside they were really good players, Leroy Jordan who was
Speaker 1: a middle linebacker, and Chuck Alley the will okay, And
Speaker 1: there was a reason Dave Edwards didn't get as much, notorbize,
Speaker 1: he didn't have as many plays, but not a star position.
Speaker 1: You don't get a chance to make a lot of
Speaker 1: spash splash plays at strong side. You're more of a workman, right,
Speaker 1: especially now the way offenses are right and they're not
Speaker 1: on the field. But I thought he was starting to
Speaker 1: get in the flow of this game a lot more,
Speaker 1: and that when he was playing back in the middle,
Speaker 1: And that may be why they got him some more
Speaker 1: reps this time, just to get him in the flow.
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought the linebackers played really well, I
Speaker 1: thought as a whole, as a group. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a tough team to have to deal with with the
Speaker 1: running back, the screens, the yeah stuff like take handoffs,
Speaker 1: the hens around. Yeah, they're gonna be on your screws yea,
Speaker 1: and they you know, Camara hit him a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but Benderesh was really active. By the way, Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: had fewer snaps. We talked about that yesterday fourteen. In
Speaker 1: the game, Jalen Smith played more snaps fifty. Then they
Speaker 1: hit him with the quarterback run on one play two
Speaker 1: for about eighteen yards too. Yeah, Taysom Hill had won you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Chris and Mississippi you're next up on Talking Cowboys. Hello, Chris.
Speaker 1: My question is this is um are we when are
Speaker 1: we going to be at the end of this Devin
Speaker 1: Smith experiment. I mean, I think the kids good, but
Speaker 1: all we hear about is speed. And I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about speed, that's all we hear about.
Speaker 1: What Tavon Austin, how come we aren't running any speed
Speaker 1: sweeps or any jet sweeps. I mean, it's just this
Speaker 1: is just an end around to get that an end
Speaker 1: around for for three yards the other day in that game. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean what about Devin Smith. I can't he
Speaker 1: through some of that? Every time Havon comes in, that
Speaker 1: comes in, We're like, we know what's coming, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, one thing, Devin Smith lines up outside wide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the minute you put him in the slot, I
Speaker 1: would imagine somebody will think, okay, yeah, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of hired to when the guys lined up wide to
Speaker 1: run him on an end around. That's a long way
Speaker 1: to go. Um, to answer your question, when Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: gets back, there's the easy answer, that answer, and then
Speaker 1: they'll just spot them like they brought in the Washingtonshire game.
Speaker 1: Sure absolutely, and all of a sudden, that speed will
Speaker 1: catch you off guard. So it's he can still run.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's we just gotta have the
Speaker 1: Saints credit for the way the secondary played, I mean,
Speaker 1: the ways never lose a game. They they they did
Speaker 1: a great job of eliminating you know, Cooper in the game.
Speaker 1: And then they said, okay, if Smith and Austin and
Speaker 1: those guys in Colbert they're good enough to beat it,
Speaker 1: then go ahead. But they they didn't. Those guys didn't
Speaker 1: beat you. I mean, now, unfortunately, you know, Cobb could
Speaker 1: have had a touchdown catch. That would have been nice.
Speaker 1: You could add a third down catch I might have
Speaker 1: been the difference in the football game right there. But overall,
Speaker 1: Saints did a great job of covering Eli Apple. I
Speaker 1: mean as much, you know, as as hard as I
Speaker 1: was on him, he wasn't He wasn't a he wasn't
Speaker 1: a factor in that game as far as causing the
Speaker 1: Saints to potentially lose. All right, well, a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes left here. You mentioned earlier in the show that
Speaker 1: it looks like the Cowboys would be signing Josh Jones
Speaker 1: to the practice Yeah, practice squad is what I still
Speaker 1: there would be an opening on the fifty three with
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier going on IR which by the end of
Speaker 1: the week they would make a decision there. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: any thoughts on where they might go and that this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound crazy. I mean, maybe it's a deal
Speaker 1: where he starts off on the practice squad and then
Speaker 1: they bring him. What I was maybe they just play
Speaker 1: a little light during the week, you know, maybe they
Speaker 1: go one short and then they just keep the rod
Speaker 1: when they flip the roster at the end of the week.
Speaker 1: Then they determined that Jones isn't good enough shape and
Speaker 1: in all those things. So until Saturday, right, yeah, Saturday
Speaker 1: there injured reserve. But you see how your guys get
Speaker 1: through the week. Make sure nobody to look at Josh
Speaker 1: Jones during the weeks. Absolutely absolutely, well, it'll come. He
Speaker 1: plays special teams better than Donovan Wilson. How much do
Speaker 1: you trust Donovan Wilson? Yeah, because Cavan is really not
Speaker 1: playing that many snaps on the defense. Because what okay,
Speaker 1: if they determine to not do that with Josh Jones,
Speaker 1: what who would they add you think? Or what would
Speaker 1: they add? And you might start looking at offensive lineman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they might need an offensive lineman tyrant situation there. You
Speaker 1: might also this is gonna sound weird, but they love
Speaker 1: Bryant the wide receiver. Yeah, yeah, maybe you flip him.
Speaker 1: They love him because what he does in practice on
Speaker 1: special teams. Now, if you're not getting anything out of
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson, you know, and and and and that's the determination.
Speaker 1: You know, you might see them flip some guys. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: this guy is would be better than Let's give this guy.
Speaker 1: Look We've given this guy look for four weeks. Let's
Speaker 1: see what this guy can do. Kind and yeah, they
Speaker 1: switch roles, switch role, goes back to but keep I
Speaker 1: would keep an eye on some of that stuff because
Speaker 1: I'm hearing a lot of buzz about this this Bryant
Speaker 1: kid as how much they really really like him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, was Wilson Wilson was active? Yes, he was
Speaker 1: first time this season. I think my sheet shows he
Speaker 1: was a week before. Yeah, yeah, he was before show.
Speaker 1: No plays, yeah, no place. Let me see, Okay, let
Speaker 1: me see. He got four special teams play. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that ain't much. That's I'm saying. There might be there
Speaker 1: might be some thought there. Keep an eye on that.
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