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Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Runs, Rob Phillips, and Bill June.

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Speaker 1: It's a Tuesday at the Star in Fresco. We are

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Speaker 1: inside the SWBC Mortgage studios here and this is talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: An off day for the players, but not all the

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Speaker 1: players have already seen a couple out here. There's never

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Speaker 1: an off day when you're talking football season. Bill Jones,

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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, Bryan and brought us as we

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Speaker 1: turn our attention to the Green Bay Packers now this

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Speaker 1: week after the loss to the Saints on Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys at the corner poll of this season with

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Speaker 1: a three and one record. Gentlemen, how are you doing

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Speaker 1: on this very fine Tuesday morning? Doing well? Good? Great?

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones at his weekly radio appearance on one oh

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Speaker 1: five three the Fan this morning, had a little injury

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Speaker 1: update from doctor Jones this morning and he is pleased

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Speaker 1: with the good news from the MRI on Tyron Smith yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Anybody listened to Jerry this morning, best they could have

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Speaker 1: hoped for is what he said. The sprained ankle, so

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Speaker 1: he said unlikely for Sunday, but I don't know that

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Speaker 1: it's probably trending that way where they're preparing for Cam

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Speaker 1: Fleming to be your left tackle against the Packers and

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Speaker 1: then hopefully after that he's back, which you know, when

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Speaker 1: you watch the replay of his of Dak fall into

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Speaker 1: his ankle, you're thinking this could be really serious and

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Speaker 1: didn't turn out that way. So some fortunate news there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got guys that you know, these players when they

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Speaker 1: get injured. What we've seen kind of a history a

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Speaker 1: we'd say, oh, it's this and this and this as

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Speaker 1: far as the time length and all that stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But if you get a player that's willing to do

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Speaker 1: I think that's where it's really been the case with

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Speaker 1: this whole crew. If you look at guys like Xavier Woods,

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Speaker 1: you know, you look at again Michael Gallup, guys like

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Speaker 1: you know, these guys are trending more on one week

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Speaker 1: two weeks like that, you know. And then a guy

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Speaker 1: like Tyrn Smith loves to play football, he knows how

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Speaker 1: important it is for him to be out there, and

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Speaker 1: he'll do everything in his power. You know, if he

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Speaker 1: see what happens with the Jets. But they've been real

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Speaker 1: fortunate with those injuries. But they've been even more fortunate

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Speaker 1: that they have the right kind of guy that's going

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Speaker 1: to do everything in his power to get back. I

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Speaker 1: think that. I think Antoine Woods is a similar kind

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Speaker 1: you know, you have to have willing players, and it

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Speaker 1: has he's always been the case in the recent history.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't always been the case. And you know, you

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Speaker 1: I think that's what they've got these guys. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I think we've seen some of these guys come

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Speaker 1: they've they've got guys coming back. I think we also

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Speaker 1: need a little more accurate in reporting too. Well. The

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Speaker 1: on high ankle sprains. Yeah, I mean. And then that's

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Speaker 1: one of the advantages we have living in this building.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mickey is able to walk up or on

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Speaker 1: And then uh, then you know, you get accurate reporting.

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Speaker 1: That way. People are quick to make these these comments

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Speaker 1: field advantage, and that's a possibility. Um, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to go in these hostile environments and be able to

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Speaker 1: handle it. And I don't think they felt like they

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Speaker 1: handled it well enough in the game. The pre snap

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Speaker 1: communication fine, I mean really good, no pre snap penalties,

431
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Speaker 1: but the execution part of it. I think Brian wrote

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Speaker 1: about it yesterday. Eleven first down runs. I know that's

433
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Speaker 1: a big topic coming out of this game, but there

434
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Speaker 1: were some miss blocks and missopportunities there from your game.

435
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Speaker 1: What's wrong with eleven first down run? I say there was,

436
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Speaker 1: but everybody was making an issue out of it because

437
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Speaker 1: that's why they lost. They'll tell you why, they'll Mickey,

438
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Speaker 1: and I'll answer a question because analytics guys will tell

439
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Speaker 1: you that eleven first down runs only netted one point

440
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Speaker 1: eight yards and the other when they threw the ball

441
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Speaker 1: they averaged over seven yards a catch. Well, yeah, that

442
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Speaker 1: makes sense. So if I throw the ball on first

443
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Speaker 1: down and I don't complete it, how many do I average? Yeah? Zero?

444
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Speaker 1: And then what are you doing second down? Well, that's

445
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Speaker 1: throwing again. And what are you doing third down? You're

446
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Speaker 1: throwing again? Yeah, and then you just canned your running back. Well,

447
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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what the analytics. What the analytics

448
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: are saying that it's not always common sense. Say do

449
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Speaker 1: me a favorite, Mickey, because I was trying. I was

450
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Speaker 1: working on something because I was hearing that there that

451
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Speaker 1: maybe they were looking into signing Josh Jones today. But

452
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Speaker 1: you know the safety that used to be the Packers. Yeah,

453
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Speaker 1: it sounds like it's going to be to the practice squad,

454
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Speaker 1: not to the active roster. Because and said, we've either

455
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Speaker 1: moved somebody up or signed somebody off the street. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: that's what they failed to make earlier. Cavan Frasier, of course,

457
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Speaker 1: placed on ir with the pectoral. Yes, so Josh Jones,

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Speaker 1: you keep an eye on that one right there. That's

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Speaker 1: why I'm sorry. I was doing it, Mickey, and you

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Speaker 1: just you just were making a point, and I, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know about what you were saying. No, I was

462
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Speaker 1: just saying, I don't understand why. You know, they had

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Speaker 1: twelve first down passes eleven first down runs, So just

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Speaker 1: because you pass on first down doesn't mean you're going

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Speaker 1: to complete it. There's no Well they started the game

466
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Speaker 1: with the past. Yeah, look, and they did it just

467
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: it was down from the first three games. That's why

468
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Speaker 1: it's a topic right now. But how because they were

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Speaker 1: able to spread them out in the first three games,

470
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Speaker 1: and do did the other team play? How did the defense?

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Speaker 1: And I think you're trying to run to kind of

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Speaker 1: get get my theory, get Zeke established and take the

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Speaker 1: crowd out of it. I think it's what you're trying

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Speaker 1: to do. I think I think this is my theory

475
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Speaker 1: on why they did what they did, especially on first down,

476
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Speaker 1: and we had this discussion with Jason Garrett is that

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Speaker 1: the one thing he told Kellen Moore was when you

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Speaker 1: play with crowd noise, get the play in quick. Get

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Speaker 1: the play in quick. So with that being said, okay,

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore could be in a situation we're saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I can run with I can run

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Speaker 1: the football. Teams have run the football against these guys

483
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Speaker 1: as before. You know, maybe I need to find it,

484
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Speaker 1: not maybe I need to get the play in quick

485
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Speaker 1: and allow Dak to make his adjustments whatever he has

486
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Speaker 1: to do. If he wants to check the play, he

487
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Speaker 1: could check the play. But I have a feeling that

488
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Speaker 1: they got out of it a little bit because of

489
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Speaker 1: the situation of the crowd noise. I felt like that

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Speaker 1: they that they said, Okay, we're going to We're going

491
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Speaker 1: to get that play in and then let Dak be

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Speaker 1: the determining factor on this play of what if we're

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Speaker 1: going to go run or pass. That's just that's just

494
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Speaker 1: the theory I have because when you deal if you're

495
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Speaker 1: if people asking about why not all the ships and

496
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: motions and stuff like that, that takes time, That takes

497
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Speaker 1: communication a lot harder to do this. It's a lot

498
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Speaker 1: harder to do in that environment. And so to me,

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Speaker 1: if you get a play in, if you say, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're going to run the football and first down, I

501
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Speaker 1: think Kellen Moore went in with the confidence that he

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Speaker 1: could run the ball in first down, you know, And

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit why that he was able to

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Speaker 1: again get the play in, let Dak make the adjustment

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Speaker 1: and then go from there. And yeah, Saints did a

506
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Speaker 1: great job. I mean, they did a great job. But

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Speaker 1: again the analytics guys will argue, and I'm not an

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Speaker 1: analytics guy. I'm not at all. I'm more like Mickey

509
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Speaker 1: than an analytics guy. But I also understand that if

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Speaker 1: you're telling me I could get it seven yards a

511
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Speaker 1: pass and I'm getting two little under two yards a

512
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Speaker 1: carry on first down, that maybe I need to make

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Speaker 1: some type of adjustment. That's all I'm That's all that

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Speaker 1: I think the analytics guys are saying. Yeah, and you

515
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Speaker 1: know that goes back to the Tony Pollard issue because

516
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Speaker 1: he gets two snaps on offense and maybe they were

517
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Speaker 1: worried about him and Blitz pick up. Well maybe, but

518
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Speaker 1: I see, but you can also do other things to

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Speaker 1: get him involved too, right there, Maybe there's a package.

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Speaker 1: Especially with Gallop not in the game, maybe you could

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Speaker 1: get him involved a little bit. I get Garrett's point

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Speaker 1: about Zeke wasn't tired. They didn't have a lot of plays.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you had to spell him there. But

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Speaker 1: I was a little surprised he wasn't a little more

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Speaker 1: involved because he is versatile and you can put him

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Speaker 1: in different spots to maybe try to get something gone.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to have handed him the ball a couple

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Speaker 1: of times on the edge, you know, maybe try that,

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Speaker 1: you know, try to kind of soft him up on

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Speaker 1: the outside a little bit and maybe spread him out.

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Speaker 1: But I love running the football. I'm I'm sorry. I

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Speaker 1: you know, I pissed a lot of people off saying

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Speaker 1: that because every you'll say, oh, and that in this

534
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Speaker 1: day and age, you got to be able to throw

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Speaker 1: an I agree. I mean, you have to throw to

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Speaker 1: score points. But I think that nothing's better than when

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Speaker 1: a team has that ability to run the football and

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Speaker 1: be really good at it, you know. And I think

539
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys felt like that they were whether it's cavalier

540
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Speaker 1: or not, they felt like that they were better than

541
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Speaker 1: the Saints and they could run the football. Well, look,

542
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: they just didn't. They just didn't look at the way

543
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Speaker 1: this offensive line has played to that point. Sure, I'm

544
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Speaker 1: as dominant as we've seen him in recent years, and

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Speaker 1: that's why you just kind of have to you have

546
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Speaker 1: to tip your cap to some degree to the Saints

547
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Speaker 1: for what they were able to do up front. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go to Jordan and Odessa. You're up on talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Hello Jordan, Hey guys, how's it going. Look? So, I

550
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: was just trying to figure out all night why they

551
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: seem to just run Zeke right into a wall all night.

552
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Speaker 1: I didn't really see. I saw like a couple of

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Speaker 1: you know, sweet passes or sweep runs, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: see any type of zone running though, you know, just

555
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: it was all into wall. I mean, when you get

556
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Speaker 1: a brand new car, you don't just run it into

557
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Speaker 1: a wall. You drive it around and test it out

558
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I just it seems so lackluster

559
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: with the play calling me. I guess I could have

560
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: been you know a lot of drop passes and stuff

561
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Speaker 1: like that from the receivers, and I guess that's where

562
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: you miss gallup. You know, he's so surehanded, But I mean,

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00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: it just it seemed like we went went back to

564
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: Scotland and had play calling. And I hate saying that

565
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of Cowboys fans on Twitter

566
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Speaker 1: saying stuff like that, but that's just the way it

567
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: looked to me. And uh, like, I'm with you, did

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Speaker 1: you find Let me ask you a question, sir, did

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Speaker 1: you find guys getting open? Did you find them? I mean,

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Speaker 1: even I know you're watching TV copies, so that's probably

571
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: an unfair question to you, but well, did you did

572
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: you feel like even the passes that were thrown were

573
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Speaker 1: open passes? Well? Man, these Saints, these Saints cornerbacks they played,

574
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: they played a hell of a game. Sure, yeah, absolutely, Man,

575
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Speaker 1: there was a couple of passes that we were really

576
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: contested that these guys should have gotten. Um, And I'm

577
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: sure they would say the same thing, that they should

578
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: have gotten these passes. But um, the passes that I

579
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: see dropped, you know, they weren't contested. Um, But there

580
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: were a couple that were off target. Two there are

581
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: a couple badly off target as well. Yeah. Absolutely, And man,

582
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Speaker 1: the Saint. What I saw was the Saints they did

583
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: a hell of a job tackling last Yeah, they starts today.

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Speaker 1: Night and no question. Oh man, it was. It was

585
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: a rough game, but you know, there's no reason to panic.

586
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: I think these guys will pick it back up and

587
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: if the defense continues to play like they did, and

588
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: like you said, Brian, it was such a wasted effort

589
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: on the law, But I mean it's only wasted. I

590
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: see if if they they backtrack and um, if they

591
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: build on this, I think these guys will be fine

592
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: and I think they'll find a way to win. Thank you, Jordan.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like you've talked yourself back off the ledge.

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00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: So what do you think about that? God forbid? If

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00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: they lose to the Packers, they could and they very

596
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: well could, very well could. Huh what they've beat them

597
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Speaker 1: once oide of the last eight times they faced him

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Speaker 1: since oh nine, Yeah, welcome to the OC chair, kelln Or.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, this is this is the job

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Speaker 1: right here Union. It's not going to be the head

601
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: coach next next week of the other week. I mean,

602
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: it was just gravy right for three weeks and now

603
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 1: here we go. He was this is what his mentor

604
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: dealt with for years. Da Dak was going to get

605
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: a raise him or execution. Oh they just didn't execute.

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00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: I know that. I'm sure they look at yesterday and said,

607
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: we'd like to do that. Fans, Hey, when we say that,

608
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: but you don't know, it's so true. It's so true,

609
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: like when you look when you're missing, when all pro

610
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: players are missing blocks. In the history of football, no

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00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: one's ever blamed the players. They blamed the coaches or

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00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator of the defense. Jerry said, on the

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Speaker 1: face it's the hottest seat in the NFL, not even

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Speaker 1: the head coach. It's the OC because because everybody plays,

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Speaker 1: everybody can come back Monday, and so this is what

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Speaker 1: I would have done on Madden. So no one calls

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Speaker 1: in and said this is what I would have done

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Speaker 1: on defense. Yeah, I would not saying they could have

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Speaker 1: done things different things differently. I'm sure they looked at

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Speaker 1: it yesterday. Second. Guess that's that's the beauty of it.

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Speaker 1: You feel like they played. Do you feel like the

622
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: defense played well against Kamara and Thomas well enough to win?

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say well, because they let him get away

624
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: with a few too many runs. Yeah, but you get

625
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty one yards total offense like he

626
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: did against Seattle the week before. Eighty nine. Sure, if

627
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: you'd have told me that, I would have jumped out

628
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: of my seat and said, let's go absolutely eighty nine

629
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Speaker 1: yards for absolutely and Teddy Bridgewater throwing and you only

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Speaker 1: give up twelve points. Ye. The thing, I'm sure, the

631
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Speaker 1: thing they'd like to have back is to try to

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Speaker 1: get off the field faster at the at the end

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Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter, you know, they let him get

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Speaker 1: a first down or two. I think they would love

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Speaker 1: to not have it go back with just a minute

636
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: left and it had not gone three and out when

637
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: it was what five minutes to go in the game.

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00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: That was killer. That was a killer, that three and

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00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: out and right before Yeah, that was killer because that

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Speaker 1: let's go to Sam and Spring Branch, Texas. Hello, Sam, HELLI,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, guys, and I'm just sitting here waiting for

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Speaker 1: hunting in shorts? Yeah, exactly. Um, just a quick question

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Speaker 1: after four games, um, how many snaps has Sean Lee

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Speaker 1: been averaging on the field, and how would you guys

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00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: evaluate his play so far? And I'll hang up and

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Speaker 1: listen you guys have a great afternoon. Thanks Bill. I'm

723
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: relying on memory on the first three games. Most around

724
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: fourteen A game he's played has been this week, I

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Speaker 1: believe twenty nine, twenty eight, yesterday, I tell you yesterday,

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Speaker 1: say it's thirty. Yeah, so he's had seventy five snaps

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00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: in four games. Okay, there you go. But Yeah, this

728
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Speaker 1: last game was the most math easier and and I

729
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: think Jason Garrett said because they got him more bass.

730
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: The Saints played more bass, and they probably did that

731
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: because as of Teddy Bridgewater they played with the week before,

732
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: they had a lot of two tighty. But he also

733
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: came in and played to the middle linebacker when they

734
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: went nickels sometimes to what are you see him? You

735
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: know what, it's hard because I mean, I'll be critical

736
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Speaker 1: and I have to be critical, and I'll be nice

737
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: when I have to be nice. But to me, Sean Lee,

738
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that gets into a flow

739
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: of a game, and playing this way does not allow

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00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: him to get in the flow of a game. So

741
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: you're not going to see all the flash plays that

742
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: that quick read behind the line of screamage, trap the

743
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: back read the screen, get out there. You know. I

744
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: think with Sean it's unfortunate that he is in this role.

745
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: I know he embraces whatever he can do, but it's

746
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: not it doesn't play to his strength. I think Sean

747
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: Lee needs to be on the field, and Sean Lee

748
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: needs to be playing fifty plays because he gets a

749
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: feel for how to play the game. That way he

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Speaker 1: knows how to excuse me, he knows how to play

751
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: the game. He just get a feel being on and

752
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: an off for five plays, being on being off for

753
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: five you know, he doesn't get a feel for the game.

754
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: And now, maybe who was the best strong side linebacker

755
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Speaker 1: in Cowboys history is well, it's the game. It's not exact, dads,

756
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: is yea what I was gonna say. In fact that

757
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: you're talking, I'm sitting there going, Okay, there's a reason

758
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: outside they were really good players, Leroy Jordan who was

759
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: a middle linebacker, and Chuck Alley the will okay, And

760
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Speaker 1: there was a reason Dave Edwards didn't get as much, notorbize,

761
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: he didn't have as many plays, but not a star position.

762
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Speaker 1: You don't get a chance to make a lot of

763
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Speaker 1: spash splash plays at strong side. You're more of a workman, right,

764
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Speaker 1: especially now the way offenses are right and they're not

765
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Speaker 1: on the field. But I thought he was starting to

766
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Speaker 1: get in the flow of this game a lot more,

767
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: and that when he was playing back in the middle,

768
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Speaker 1: And that may be why they got him some more

769
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: reps this time, just to get him in the flow.

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Speaker 1: I thought. I thought the linebackers played really well, I

771
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Speaker 1: thought as a whole, as a group. I mean, that's

772
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Speaker 1: a tough team to have to deal with with the

773
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: running back, the screens, the yeah stuff like take handoffs,

774
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Speaker 1: the hens around. Yeah, they're gonna be on your screws yea,

775
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: and they you know, Camara hit him a couple of times,

776
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: but Benderesh was really active. By the way, Joe Thomas

777
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: had fewer snaps. We talked about that yesterday fourteen. In

778
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: the game, Jalen Smith played more snaps fifty. Then they

779
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: hit him with the quarterback run on one play two

780
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: for about eighteen yards too. Yeah, Taysom Hill had won you. Yeah,

781
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: all right, Chris and Mississippi you're next up on Talking Cowboys. Hello, Chris.

782
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: My question is this is um are we when are

783
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Speaker 1: we going to be at the end of this Devin

784
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: Smith experiment. I mean, I think the kids good, but

785
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: all we hear about is speed. And I mean, if

786
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about speed, that's all we hear about.

787
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: What Tavon Austin, how come we aren't running any speed

788
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: sweeps or any jet sweeps. I mean, it's just this

789
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: is just an end around to get that an end

790
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: around for for three yards the other day in that game. Yeah, yeah,

791
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: but I mean what about Devin Smith. I can't he

792
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Speaker 1: through some of that? Every time Havon comes in, that

793
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Speaker 1: comes in, We're like, we know what's coming, you know.

794
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Speaker 1: I mean, well, one thing, Devin Smith lines up outside wide. Yeah,

795
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: so the minute you put him in the slot, I

796
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: would imagine somebody will think, okay, yeah, and it's kind

797
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: of hired to when the guys lined up wide to

798
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: run him on an end around. That's a long way

799
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Speaker 1: to go. Um, to answer your question, when Michael Gallup

800
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Speaker 1: gets back, there's the easy answer, that answer, and then

801
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: they'll just spot them like they brought in the Washingtonshire game.

802
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: Sure absolutely, and all of a sudden, that speed will

803
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: catch you off guard. So it's he can still run.

804
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's we just gotta have the

805
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: Saints credit for the way the secondary played, I mean,

806
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: the ways never lose a game. They they they did

807
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: a great job of eliminating you know, Cooper in the game.

808
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: And then they said, okay, if Smith and Austin and

809
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: those guys in Colbert they're good enough to beat it,

810
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Speaker 1: then go ahead. But they they didn't. Those guys didn't

811
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812
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Speaker 1: You could add a third down catch I might have

814
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: been the difference in the football game right there. But overall,

815
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: Saints did a great job of covering Eli Apple. I

816
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817
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,400
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818
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: a factor in that game as far as causing the

819
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: Saints to potentially lose. All right, well, a couple of

820
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Speaker 1: minutes left here. You mentioned earlier in the show that

821
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: it looks like the Cowboys would be signing Josh Jones

822
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Speaker 1: to the practice Yeah, practice squad is what I still

823
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: there would be an opening on the fifty three with

824
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier going on IR which by the end of

825
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: the week they would make a decision there. Yeah. Um,

826
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: any thoughts on where they might go and that this

827
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: is gonna sound crazy. I mean, maybe it's a deal

828
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829
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830
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831
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832
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833
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Speaker 1: Then they determined that Jones isn't good enough shape and

834
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: in all those things. So until Saturday, right, yeah, Saturday

835
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: there injured reserve. But you see how your guys get

836
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: through the week. Make sure nobody to look at Josh

837
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: Jones during the weeks. Absolutely absolutely, well, it'll come. He

838
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: plays special teams better than Donovan Wilson. How much do

839
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: you trust Donovan Wilson? Yeah, because Cavan is really not

840
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: playing that many snaps on the defense. Because what okay,

841
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: if they determine to not do that with Josh Jones,

842
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: what who would they add you think? Or what would

843
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,960
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844
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: they might need an offensive lineman tyrant situation there. You

845
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,719
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846
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,359
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847
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: They love him because what he does in practice on

848
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: special teams. Now, if you're not getting anything out of

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Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson, you know, and and and and that's the determination.

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Speaker 1: You know, you might see them flip some guys. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: this guy is would be better than Let's give this guy.

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Speaker 1: Look We've given this guy look for four weeks. Let's

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Speaker 1: see what this guy can do. Kind and yeah, they

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Speaker 1: switch roles, switch role, goes back to but keep I

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Speaker 1: would keep an eye on some of that stuff because

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing a lot of buzz about this this Bryant

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Speaker 1: all right, was Wilson Wilson was active? Yes, he was

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Speaker 1: was a week before. Yeah, yeah, he was before show.

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Speaker 1: No plays, yeah, no place. Let me see, Okay, let

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Speaker 1: me see. He got four special teams play. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that ain't much. That's I'm saying. There might be there

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