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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's

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Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles, Apostles, the Pack twelve.

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Speaker 1: Where does it stand right now? Big changes in the

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Speaker 1: where is the conference right now? And speaking of divisions,

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Speaker 1: How this will impact who plays in the conference championship game?

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Speaker 1: And uh things going forward? Now? Jimbo Fisher and Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban just got the big girl fight about recruiting inducements.

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Speaker 1: Who's being hypocritical? What's the truth about that? Um? The

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Speaker 1: eighty five scholarship limit. And the unintended consequences that they

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Speaker 1: don't give a damn about. And of course the transfer

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Speaker 1: portal is bearing fruit and taken away from the Pack twelve.

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Speaker 1: And how is the PAC twelve doing in recruiting. I'm

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Speaker 1: George Rice Stir, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve apostles so Ralph as we stand May nineteen two,

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Speaker 1: in the year of our Lord. UH, the Pack twelve

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Speaker 1: is in an interesting spot because you have USC, who's

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Speaker 1: the Jimmy Lake era UM in Washington, which was fully

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Speaker 1: Like some things are are going well UM for Washington,

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Speaker 1: team situation, even if a kid left and kind of

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00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: burned you. No, But if if you're an assistant coach

431
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: to the school, if you're an assistant coach of the school,

432
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: and you're texting back and forth with one of your

433
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: players or their parents trying to ask them why they're

434
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: about to jump in the portal, kind of the way

435
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: that everyone knew that Jordan Adison was about to jump

436
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: in the portal when he was a pit right. Because

437
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: a big, a big part of this is the Pac

438
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: twelve all freaking out about what USC is doing. Because

439
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: the collective belief around the Pack twelve is that USC

440
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: is actively recruiting players that are under scholarship elsewhere through

441
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: through third party um like go between type things, which which,

442
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: by the way, that is happening. That is absolutely happening.

443
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that is that if okay,

444
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: if if, if my son has a relationship with a

445
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: kid at another school, right and which in in in

446
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: high school leaving now, and he says and his friends like, man,

447
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't like it over here and stuff's not great.

448
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to win. We're losing, and my and

449
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: my son says, yo, why don't you see about coming

450
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: over here? I'll i'll, I'll ask my coach, well, what

451
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 1: do you thinks about you? And he goes to go

452
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: ask the coach He's like, bro, I mean, ship if

453
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: if he wants to move, I mean, I'm not gonna

454
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: ask him to move or anything, but but if he

455
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: wants to move, if if he wants to come apply

456
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: to our school. Cool. And and then and my and

457
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: my son goes back to the kid and says, yo, yo,

458
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: he said, if you want to apply, you know, then

459
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: he can have a conversation with with with you so

460
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: now and then you have that. And then the kid

461
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: talks to another kid at Modern Day and St. John Bosco.

462
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, cool, I'm gonna talk to all these schools. Like,

463
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: how is that? I mean, these are just relationships. Yeah,

464
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: I guess. So here here's been my experience so far.

465
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: Multiple parents, not players, not coaches, multiple parents of Pack

466
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: twelve players have reached out to me over the course

467
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: of the last few months to say, Hey, do you

468
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: have such and such as number, Hey, do you have

469
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: a way to back channel my kids not getting playing time?

470
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: My kids looking for other options? Can you put out

471
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: a feeler? Can you reach out to this person? I

472
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: don't want to do it directly. Can you see if

473
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: this school has scholarship space so that if we decide

474
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: to jump into the portal, that would be one of

475
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: our primary destinations. So the facilitators in this instance, I've

476
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: not had a coach reach out to me. I've not

477
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: had UH. I have not had a UH staffer reach

478
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: out to me. I had multiple pack twelve parents reach

479
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: out to me and say, Hey, what are things looking

480
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: like at such and such school? Hey, do you still

481
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: have a relationship with such and such assistant? If we

482
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: were in the portal, would there potentially be interest from there?

483
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: And because there's interest from r n YEA. And when

484
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm in that situation, I say, I'll make a call.

485
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: And if people think that I'm if people think that

486
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm facilitating cheating like I I genuinely do not give

487
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: a ship, especially because it was not it was not

488
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: orchestrated by any school. It's by the parent, which is

489
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: what I would do for my kid. It is like

490
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: it is it is like, oh, you you stole my

491
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: such No, dude, they chose to leave. They they actually

492
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: actively sought to leave, right like right, so they were

493
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 1: leaving anyway, yes, and they they were just looking like

494
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: like I didn't call them up. I didn't say oh yeah,

495
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: hey yo yo, you can you can come over here

496
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: if you want, no, they were out, dude. It it

497
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: is like drugs. I say this about drugs all the

498
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: time because people they are so mad at drug dealers

499
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: and and I get it, it is and I'm under

500
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: understand it. But this is like personal responsibility. People being

501
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: solely mad at drug dealers, you know, I mean like

502
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: where they're where they're like, it's the drug dealers deity

503
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: to be put in jail. Well, the prop drugs don't

504
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: sell them, I'm sorry, drugs. Drug dealers don't sell drugs.

505
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: There are not billboards. They are not. Like if you

506
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: want crack, you have to actively seek it out. It

507
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: doesn't just show up at your front door. If you

508
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: want heroin, it doesn't just actively show up. You have

509
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: to go find it, you know. I mean right, it's

510
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: not people standing in the aisles of Costco giving you

511
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: free samples of of of cheddar biscuits, so and and

512
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: that's the same way with this recruiting thing. When kids

513
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: want to leave, they are actively searching. I've been in

514
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: a situation where where we were considering transferring high schools

515
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: and do you know how a couple uh is that

516
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: it was interest on my end that actually drove more

517
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 1: interest from the coaches initially, and then as soon as

518
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: I was like, nope, we're good. Then then now I'm

519
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: at a seven on seven tournament this last weekend. I

520
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: have a a a booster if you will, from another

521
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: school and another coach saying heyo, if you're not happy

522
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: over there, let me let us a know, full full

523
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: scholarship here this this this, I'm like, nah, no, man,

524
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: we're good. It's it is just like, yes, there are

525
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: people who will come try to see about you, but

526
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: it's the majority of time the parents or the handlers

527
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: or anybody else reaching out about that because you you

528
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: have a limited time to achieve what it is that

529
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to achieve. And the unfortunate thing is because

530
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: I can easily admit that it's not the best thing

531
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: in the world for everybody to always be looking elsewhere.

532
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: But the college coaching profession is one of the dirtiest,

533
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: least above board, least honest, most structurally encouraging of a

534
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: lack of integrity of any industry I've ever seen. The

535
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: contract for assistant coaches are very short, right. They are

536
00:33:53,080 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: incentivized to be mega yes men, too inflated ego super

537
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: millionaire control freaks, and they have a limited amount of

538
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: time the same way that the players do to impress

539
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: those coaches. Okay, so assistant football coaches, and I don't

540
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: think I'm telling anybody anything they don't know. And if

541
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: you want to argue with me on this, I'll give

542
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: you twenty very specific examples of things that happened just

543
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: this last year. Right, But assistant coaches are coaching for

544
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 1: their jobs, so they have to be there fifteen minutes early. Yeah.

545
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: All these offensive analysts, like they're the people that are

546
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: out there setting up cones and breaking down practice and

547
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: putting together a practice. Um they all, you know, a coach.

548
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: I'll ask them what they're up to and they're like, oh,

549
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: I'm just working on this game plan thing for an

550
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: opponent that's ten weeks from now. Um, just grinding going

551
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: over film. You know. Uh, your your um ability to

552
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: have connections with recruits is what makes you valuable. So

553
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: you have to play that game of like selling yourself

554
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 1: to these kids even though you know you're not gonna

555
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: be there, So you gotta lie to them to get

556
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: their attention so that you not only have value to

557
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: the staff that you're on but the potential future staff

558
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: that you might be on, because any recruits name that

559
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: is attached to yours is money in your pocket. Right.

560
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: The incentive structure for assistant coaches created a situation in

561
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: which there is no loyalty, there is no honesty, and

562
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: there is no integrity. Those things already don't exist within

563
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: the structure of college football. A good coach, a truly

564
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: good coach, can make the most of any ingredients they

565
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: are given. Just like a good chef. You give them

566
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: ingredients and they can maximize the combination and the flavor

567
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: of those ingredients to make you the best possible meal.

568
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: The insecure chef looks at those ingredients and says, if

569
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: I don't have good ingredients, I'm not a good chef

570
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: of college football. Coaches are the insecure chef. And so

571
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: you will have a coach hired into a situation with

572
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: elite level athletes, eight elite level athletes in a program,

573
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: and they will take one look at those athletes and

574
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: be like, I can't cook with this. They were losers

575
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: last year. How am I supposed to make them better?

576
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: Let me look in the portal. Let me bring these

577
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: kids in my office and tell them that there's probably

578
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: not a home for them here, and I'll help them

579
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 1: go look elsewhere. Let me force ten to fifteen kids

580
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: into the portal so that I have room to look elsewhere.

581
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: That's the way that the actual coaching profession works, is

582
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: people trying to get in their guys, and there's no

583
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: integrity in it. It's disgusting, and the idea that we

584
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: blame the kids for like being forced to play along

585
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: with it has always been a point of frustration for me.

586
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: But what we learned about fans is they don't care

587
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: if coaches are playing that game. They do care if

588
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: the kids are playing that game. And so while it

589
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 1: might not be fair for college football fandom to be

590
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: hanging in the balance of the new rules that are

591
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: in place that allow kids to benefit, it is. It

592
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: is because for some reason, people's reaction to kids looking

593
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: for a better situation for themselves makes people more upset

594
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: than when coaches do it or when kids are forced

595
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: into that situation. Because the transfer portal is a nasty place,

596
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you, the kids in there are

597
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: not They're willingly they were pushed in. Yep. Yeah, And

598
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: and now that brings up the next aspect of this

599
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: and how it's gonna impact Pact twelve teams is the

600
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: scholarship limits. So the n C Double A came out

601
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: with a new rule that it allows teams to get

602
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: to eight five scholarships finally by two years of being

603
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: able to sign classes bigger than twenty five kids. Now,

604
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: I think that this is going to end up lasting longer.

605
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: But one of the unintended consequences is that there are

606
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: rules within the n C double As by laws that

607
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: allow when a new coach like Lincoln Riley goes to

608
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: us see he can actually purge some of the roster.

609
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: He can go to the roster and say, alright, cool,

610
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm essentially gonna cut these kids from the football team,

611
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: not from uh not from financial support. So they still

612
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: keep their scholarship, essentially still keep their stipend for housing,

613
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: all of that, but they are no longer football players

614
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: and count towards that scholarship limit. So now it's going

615
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: to allow teams of players of new coaches because everybody's like,

616
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: why is USC signing so many more dbs and whiteouts

617
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: Because they're cutting kids yep. And and the kid has

618
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: a choice either I'm gonna hop into portal because I

619
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 1: still want to play college football, or I'm just gonna

620
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: go be a regular student and keep and keep my scholarship. Right,

621
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: which we which we had a bunch of offensive linemen

622
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: at u c l A do that. When Chip Kelly

623
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: came in with a with an axe and he was

624
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: cutting dudes left and right. You had a freshman linebacker

625
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: Arizona State who had been committed to Arizona State since

626
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: he was fourteen, stay and finished nursing school. Like, it's

627
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: that that's becoming a thing of where people are. People

628
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: are put in a position where you know, am I

629
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: going to go to the portal and have an uncertain future?

630
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Or am I going to have my school completely paid

631
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: for and be on scholarship while I'm here but have

632
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: no access to football? Yeah? Yeah, so, but and and

633
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: so people don't realize that. In that that now kids

634
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: are gonna get pushed out. So if you are a kid,

635
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: what do you what are you gonna do? I'm what? Well, Actually,

636
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: if you are a fan, are you upset with? This?

637
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: Is the is the question? Uh? I think that the

638
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: average fan is thinking about what benefits them, just like

639
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: the average college football coach and program is thinking about

640
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: what benefits them, just like the average kid is thinking

641
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: about what benefits them. So it really depends on the situation.

642
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: So if you are, um, what what's the school that's

643
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: kind of up against the scholarship limit? Um? We had

644
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: we had heard about a pack Tel school that was

645
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: like over eighty five and we're having to um. So like,

646
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: if you're if you're if you're that school, if you're

647
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: in a situation where um where in order to uh

648
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: improve your talent, you have to go out and you

649
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: have to move a bunch of people around that could

650
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: come back to haunt you because if you piss off

651
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: the right high school coach or whatever, you know, that

652
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: stuff can spill out onto social media and create image issues. UM.

653
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: But like let's say that your Arizona State and you're

654
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: you're bordering seventies scholarships and on the verge of possibly

655
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: losing even more due to sanctions. The idea that you

656
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: can rebound from your situation even quicker by replenishing as

657
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 1: as fast as possible UM is attractive, Right. And so

658
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: what I'm interested in is all of these contributing walk

659
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: ons that have been told by their college coaches, Hey,

660
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: we'd love to put you on scholarship, we just don't

661
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: have room for it. But like, it's a school like

662
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: Stanford that operates at seventy scholarships on the regular and

663
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: now and now the n C double A saying well,

664
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: we're not gonna limit it to so if you want

665
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: to go ahead and bump it up to eighty five,

666
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: you can. I'm interested to see what happens when those

667
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: walk ons looked at coach in the eye that told

668
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: them they didn't have room because they were lying about

669
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: not having room that you know, the truth is definitely

670
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: gonna get told. Um. But I I really hate that

671
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: the n C double A does things too um retroactively

672
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: try to make up for um, certain issues like the

673
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: transfer portal or the non eligibility COVID year or things

674
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: like that, when they have the ability to possibly have

675
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: some foresight, Like I've always thought that the scholarship limit,

676
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: especially with the introduction of the transfer portal, that you

677
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: should have given some respect to the idea that like, Okay, well,

678
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: you know your your primary source of talent is going

679
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: to come from the high school level, so you need

680
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: to lock in fifteen of those scholarships and guarantee that

681
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: that's the direction that they go in. And then let's

682
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: say that you can get seven from the portal, right,

683
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: and then three have to come from junior college, because

684
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: that's the only way you're gonna save junior college football,

685
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: which is on the decline every single year. There's there's

686
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: less junior college football programs right now than there were

687
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: five years ago. So the n C double A could

688
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: have structured the scholarship UH limit two UH to ensure

689
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: the health of high school football, to ensure the future

690
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: of college football, to help prop up UH junior college.

691
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: They could have done those things, but they don't. They don't,

692
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: and it's just it's an embarrassment. And you know, Mark

693
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: Mark Emmert is going off into the sunset with a

694
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: having had a truly useless tenure UM. And I think that,

695
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think that you gotta any time his

696
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: name is mentioned for the rest of eternity, he might

697
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: be sleeping on a mattress, so he might be able

698
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: to lay his head down comfortably at night. But I

699
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: don't think that anybody who's a fan of college football

700
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: should ever mention his name without attaching the man who

701
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: helped ruin this sport. Yep, yep, one one hundred. Fox

702
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.

703
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,640
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705
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: s R to listen live. So, man, as we look

706
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: at these scholarship limits and and and all of this stuff,

707
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: who do you think is going to be the biggest

708
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: beneficiary beneficiaries of this? I mean, because obviously, like we

709
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: just talked about, schools with new coaches are going to

710
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: benefit greatly from this first thing because they're able to

711
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: cut players and kind of pers their roster and get

712
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: to eighty five scholarships. UM. I think the one of

713
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: the biggest benefits will be kids that are suffocating in

714
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: the portal. Yes, because there will be a little bit

715
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: of extra room for some of those kids that are

716
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: trapped in there to get out. I think high school

717
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: uh as with many of the decisions made by the

718
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: n c double A, high school football players will suffer. UM.

719
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: As far as programs, everything always benefits the best resource programs,

720
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: and so USC is one of the best resource programs

721
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: and they have been s arly underperforming. This gives them

722
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: the opportunity to to UM progress to the mean of

723
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: who they are as a program. UM. I don't think

724
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Oregon really has these types of issues right now. UM.

725
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: But it really just depends on what resources you have

726
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: behind you moving forward. And I think that everything points

727
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: to UM for the first time in a long time. Uh,

728
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: all all things being sunshine and roses For the University

729
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: of Southern California, well, I mean they I think that

730
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: they are going to be greatly benefited. That USC is

731
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: clearly the beneficiary of a lot of people willing to

732
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: put their money where their mouth is to make us

733
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: see a really good program again, right. But I think

734
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: that we're also seeing USC and Oregon because Cotlin Cower

735
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: hinted at a major shift for USC coming up very

736
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: soon in the next eighteen months. And I don't think

737
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: that that's exclusive to to them. I think that you

738
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: may see that from Oregons, from some other schools that

739
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: you may see some movement in the Pack twelve or

740
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: some sort of media agreement that is different than the

741
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: rest of the conference. So I think that there are

742
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: opportunities for other schools to capitalize on those things now.

743
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I also believe that if a school like Utah got

744
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: in on inn I l a little bit right that

745
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: they will be hugely benefited from it. But I think

746
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have some schools win in the short run,

747
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: but after the market corrects itself, because these are the

748
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: people who are giving the money are successful business people,

749
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: were successful at their jobs, very successful to be able

750
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: to give hundreds of thousands of dollars or fifties of

751
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars or millions of dollars, to be able

752
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: to help out in recruiting, and and you know, with

753
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: the inducements and all of this stuff. So they are

754
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: going to figure out a structure that makes sense for them.

755
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: And because they're not used to throwing good, good money

756
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: after bad you know, I mean, oh for sure, and

757
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: you're we're definitely pretty close to the first time that

758
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: booster sues a an athlete that's coming, well, yeah, that's

759
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: absolutely coming one one hund and but now we're in

760
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: a case of with the with the Pack twelve, Oh,

761
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: I want to shift because we totally kind of skipped

762
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: over the Pack twelve with the divisions, right, So now

763
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: the divisions are changing in the PAC twelve. There are

764
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: instead of the six North team six South teams, they

765
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: now for two going forward. So this upcoming season, they

766
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: have scrapped a divisi Asians, but they're keeping the schedule

767
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: as it is. So the so you know, Oregon is

768
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: still gonna play all the North teams. They're gonna play

769
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: the other five North teams, and then they're gonna play

770
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: four South teams and the and instead of the winner

771
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: of the North playing the winner of the South in

772
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve championship, now it is going to be

773
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: the two teams with the highest winning percentage. Now, if

774
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: you go back to the you know since two thousand eleven, right,

775
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: how this would have impact the the impacted the conference

776
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: championship game. In two thousand eleven, it was number nine

777
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: Oregon versus u C. L A. It would have been

778
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: number four Stanford versus number nine Oregon. Number In two

779
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: thousand twelve it would have been number eight Stanford. Oh,

780
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: it was number eight Stanford versus number sixteen. You see

781
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: l A. It would have been number five Oregon versus

782
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: number eight Stanford number and two thousand thirteen, Uh, it

783
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't have changed with Stanford in Arizona State in the

784
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: fourteen it wouldn't have changed with Oregon in Arizona fifteen

785
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: instead of it being Stanford versus USC, it would have

786
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: been Stanford versus Oregon. In two thousand sixteen Washington Colorado

787
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't have changed, seventeen USC Stanford wouldn't have changed. Uh,

788
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, it wouldn't have been Washington versus Utah.

789
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: It would have been Washington versus Washington State. And in

790
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: nineteen it wouldn't have changed Utah versus Oregon twenty instead

791
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: of it being USC. Actually, I'm gonna throw that that

792
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: one out because everybody didn't play the same amount of

793
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: games because it would have been USC versus Washington. But

794
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: under the new system it would have been USC versus Colorado.

795
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: But then how do we know if Washington would have

796
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: been Oregon? Like there's so I'm throwing tw and then

797
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: last year Oregon versus you taught there wouldn't have been

798
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: a change either. So so half the year, so so

799
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: since two thousand eleven, So that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

800
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: ten years. Because we're throwing out there was no change

801
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: in one two, three, four, five six of those years.

802
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: So it's not gonna create like a huge seismic shift,

803
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: but it's gonna get interesting for the scheduling because there's

804
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: not going to be another, you know, like a North

805
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: South scheduling. So how do you so? I think it's

806
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: gonna be important to keep some of the rivalries right,

807
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: Like obviously the Apple Cup has to stay Oregon versus

808
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: Oregon State has to stay? Does Oregon Washington have to stay?

809
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: Does you know what I mean? Like which ones have

810
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: to stay? And then also the Pacific Northwest teams all

811
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: want to pull a either USC or u c l

812
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: A in California every year for recruiting purposes. So so

813
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some tricky stuff going on in the

814
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: in the conference itself as as the schedule changes in

815
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: three because it won't be divisional play, like because the

816
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: schedule was already set as is. Yeah, I don't, it

817
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. Part of my initial reaction was like, well,

818
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: as a pac twelve South fan, this is going to

819
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: adversely affect at some point the PacTel South. But if

820
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: PacTel South stops even mattering, I just I would hope

821
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: that whatever school wins their division and if they don't

822
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: end up in the actual pactwelve championship next year, that

823
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: they don't hang a Pack twelve conference division banner. That

824
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: would be really annoying if somebody, if Utah goes eight

825
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: and five, they don't make the Pac twelve Championship, and

826
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: then you have a pactwelve South champions banner flying out

827
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake. I would just hope something like that

828
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. But this doesn't bother me any I don't

829
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: think the divisions are are are necessary anyway. UM, as

830
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: long as you get the two best teams. Now, I

831
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: do think one weird caveat is it's the two teams

832
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: with the highest winning percentage and not the two teams

833
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: that are ranked the highest. Yeah. So if you run

834
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: into a situation where it's like u c l as

835
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: the number ten team in the country, um, Colorado is

836
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: the number twelve team in the country and and UH

837
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: Oregon's number nine team in the country, and you would say, like, oh,

838
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: then Oregon and u c l A should play each other.

839
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: But based on winning percentages if it's Oregon in Colorado, like,

840
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: that's not a thing that gives the Pac twelve the

841
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,959
Speaker 1: best opportunity to play in the highest level bowl games.

842
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: And so I would have hoped that that was something

843
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: that was that was included and maybe still will be

844
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: in the future. But I do think that it should

845
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: be the highest highest ranked teams and not necessarily the

846
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: teams with the two because you you want to put

847
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: yourself in the position to have the best opportunity to

848
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: play in the biggest Bowl games. You want you want

849
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: to grant your schools as much resources as possible. And

850
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,959
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that would ever even come into play,

851
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: but you just don't want to have something in place

852
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: where it might you know, for sure, for sure, for sure?

853
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: Um now, uh now, as we're looking at I guess

854
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: the coming up summer for the Pact twelve schools, we

855
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: thought that May first would signal the end of kind

856
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: of the transfer portal drama in terms of players hopping

857
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: in the portal. We we we still got to figure

858
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: out where Jordan Addison goes. We still have to figure

859
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: out where did did low Lay from Arizona State commit? Yet? No,

860
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: he's like visiting Louisville right now or something. Can we

861
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: talk about Jordan Addison though, and the fact that the

862
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: PAC twelve teams all got together and and and Ray

863
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: Anderson gave a speech saying, I need to stay within

864
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: the rules, dude, that was the if I were sitting

865
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: in at me, everybody had to be sitting at me

866
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: like a are are you serious? Are you the one

867
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: talking to us about that? Mr? We brought recruits on

868
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: campus violating COVID rules while while nobody else could have

869
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: people on campus. Y'all did the uh the you guys

870
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: had to get rid of a bunch of your coaches

871
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: for for violating rules and being so flagrant about it.

872
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 1: Are are is that who's who's lecturing us? The guy

873
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: who also can't win in basketball or in football? Are

874
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: you lecturing us? How about no, my friend? How about no, pal,

875
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: I got ear muffs for you? Okay, So then what

876
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: about the perspective that, like one of your defensive ends

877
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: just probably got half a million dollars to go to

878
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: or one of your linebackers probably just got half a

879
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: million dollars to go to USC, and there was probably

880
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: some sort of arrangement prior to the transfer. Do you

881
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: just not say something interest stand up and say I've

882
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: forfeited my right to comment on the fact that USC

883
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: is purchasing players off of our team. You should have

884
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: you should have uh gotten like if you are them,

885
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: you you should have had your n I L stuff

886
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: in place and guess what, the kid might still be

887
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: there or or maybe just just maybe you should have

888
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: have had your your ship together with your team. That way,

889
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't falling apart at at the seams. So so yeah,

890
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: but then they just took a kid from from Florida,

891
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: quarterback from from Florida, Emery Jones. They have while they

892
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: have five other scholarship quarterbacks. So you're doing a poor

893
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: ass job if you have four. If you have five

894
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on scholarship, and you, my friend, don't I think

895
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: that any of them is good enough to be your starter? Yeah?

896
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: And that that that's a mess in it of itself.

897
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: And I've talked to people affiliated with the team that

898
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: are like, well, why would our coaches come out and

899
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: say after one practice that there's no starting quarterback here,

900
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: that we might have to look elsewhere for a starting quarterback?

901
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: And also, what quarterback in his right mind would look

902
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: at a staff and say that staff has openly admitted

903
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: they don't have the ability to develop the quarterbacks on

904
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: the roster. I want to go play there, but George Um,

905
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: but Emery Jones got he got himself a truck and

906
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: up to seventy dollars in and I l enticements to

907
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: come to Arizona State. So they have put a foot

908
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: forward in that area. But here's the issue with that.

909
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: Would the expectation be if only one player on your

910
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: team at a certain position is getting money, Wouldn't the

911
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: expectation be that that player plays yep, exactly, and who

912
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: says that he's going to He's gonna have to beat

913
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: out Dalen McLemore and Finn Collins and and Trenton borg

914
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: gay and and Paul Tyson, um and and um uh

915
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: and and Meredith like that. He's gonna have to beat

916
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: all those guys out. I'm assuming unless it's like the

917
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: UM the situation with Jaden Daniels, where the entire idea

918
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: of the competition is a farce because you have a

919
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: relationship with that player and with their parents where they

920
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: are helping you UM with your illegal recruiting procedures. Therefore,

921
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: you don't even have the right to bench that player

922
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: when they when they produce your worst passing season, since

923
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: so you know, what, what are they what are they

924
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: even gonna do? But but you m my whole thing

925
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: is it? So? So what he's a hypocrite. You've got

926
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: to say something if that's what you believe. And we've

927
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: now reached a point where Oklahoma has accused USC of cheating.

928
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: Uh Pitt has openly accused USC of cheating, Arizona State

929
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: has openly accused UFC of cheating with the support of

930
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: Colorado and other and other institutions within the Pack twelve.

931
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that everybody can ship on Lincoln

932
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: Riley and he doesn't have anything to say about it. However,

933
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: Nick Saban mentions Jimbo Fisher's name and he's holding a

934
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: pr press conference saying that that Nick Saban should have

935
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: been beat as a kid packed of Packed twelve teams

936
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: really just don't have that same level of animosity and beef.

937
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: But I do also want to bring up that Suart

938
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Craven's former USC player, has come out and he has

939
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: said that the only schools that did not offer him

940
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: some type of enticement when he was a recruit, a

941
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: five star recruit, were Packed Twelve schools because they believed

942
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: that they're held to a different standard by the n

943
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: C Double A than the SEC. What did you think

944
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: of those comments? I think that he's clearly right by

945
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: what happened with USC, but they were kind of flagrant,

946
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: like there was some flagrancy going on with the with

947
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: the Reggie Bush stuff, but but still like it shouldn't

948
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: have been illegal to begin with. First thing. So listen,

949
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm one of him. He was saying he was offered

950
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: ten to twenty thou dollars to visit and that all

951
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: the schools that were offering him money were southeast of Texas.

952
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: And these are the schools that he was that he

953
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: was recruited by at the time, Tennessee UM that are

954
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: out in that region of the country, Florida, UH, Arkansas

955
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: and Alabama. All Right, dude, dude, that all the dollars

956
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: is for is to cover the airline trips for for

957
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: unofficials like you, like Lloyd Christmas. Here in case I

958
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: want seconds, Yeah, I need, I need, I need forty wow,

959
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: so I can book the PJ to come. Whook who

960
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: come slide me slid slide Actually, actually I need you

961
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: to slid me fifty you can. You can advertise here

962
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: on the pack topal Apostles podcast advertised your your business.

963
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: I'll spend two thirds of it on the private jet

964
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: for us to fly out on the recruiting trip, and

965
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: then the rest goes to the podcast and just saying

966
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: it's just it's amazing that we had teams caught. What's

967
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: what's incredible so far is that nothing has come out

968
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: about prepaid visa demic cards, which is how everybody was

969
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: doing their dirty business. Yeah, dude, like like like you know,

970
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: like a hundred thousand dollar gift cards. That's why. Yeah,

971
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: that's why I'm so piste off at Tennessee for putting

972
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: actual cash in a McDonald's bag, Like, can you just

973
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: just use the debit cards the same way that everybody

974
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: else does? Well, you guys, that is the pack twelve

975
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Speaker 1: apostles for today. I'm George Rice Stir. He's Ralph Ampston.

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Speaker 1: Always keep up with the show piece out