WEBVTT - “I SOLD MY HUSBAND”

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, what's up everybody, how you guys doing. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Therapy Gecko Podcast. Thanks for being here. I'm feeling

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good today. Actually, I am back from Japan and

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<v Speaker 1>I am chilling and ready to talk to some people

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone today. As of recording this, it is

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<v Speaker 1>March eighth, twoenty twenty five. I'm feeling pretty good. It's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to still be here. I know that's a weird

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<v Speaker 1>thing to say, but I think I always thought that

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<v Speaker 1>once you hit a certain age, you just explode and

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<v Speaker 1>you become you know, it's hard to like imagine you

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<v Speaker 1>ever have those things where like you can't even imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what life is like at a certain time, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're there and you're like, oh, I'm still me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still here. I didn't just explode. Life just keeps going.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that feeling used to Oh, I'm live

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitch. Someone on the twitch chats that they turned

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two last year. How are you feeling? Wooll fourth

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<v Speaker 1>turning sixty two. I'm curious, But anyway, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually feeling pretty good today. I'm ready to take some

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls. I'm ready to talk to people. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of gek mail lately because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I was in as great of a position to

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<v Speaker 1>take phone calls. But now I feel good and I

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<v Speaker 1>actually feel pretty ready to talk to some people on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone. So I'm gonna do that right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, oh hello Lyle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes is this h Janet?

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<v Speaker 4>It is yes, indeed, Janet.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Janet, I'm calling you back for you sent me

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<v Speaker 1>a text. But I read an email on one of

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<v Speaker 1>the mare gek mails from a woman who married her horse.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe me, and I believe that is you, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I am.

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<v Speaker 2>That is me. Did you have a picture?

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<v Speaker 1>I did see the picture. I did see the picture. So,

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<v Speaker 1>uh you for people who didn't hear that email or

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<v Speaker 1>that episode or whatever, and if do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>just give us some context of you know, what happened?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>So I I for my sixtieth birthday, I had a

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<v Speaker 2>wedding party. So I made a suit for my horse

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<v Speaker 2>out of a blanket, you know, a horse blanket. I

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<v Speaker 2>converted it and he had a tie and everything, and

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<v Speaker 2>I had some socks on his legs and I had

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<v Speaker 2>a bouquet of carrots and uh, yeah, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>who It was really fun And.

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<v Speaker 1>You are there would have been the benefits thus far

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<v Speaker 1>of marrying your horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, you know, I don't even have the horse anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So, oh no, what do you mean you sold the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking horse? That's Janet. That's so fucked up up things.

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<v Speaker 1>You got married to a horse and then you sold it?

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<v Speaker 5>What did you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well the reasons, I'm taking care of my mom full

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<v Speaker 2>time right now. She's just menia and so that's time

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<v Speaker 2>consuming and the expense very very expensive. So yeah, since

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<v Speaker 2>I sold my horses, I have money.

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<v Speaker 1>Now can I ask it? And it's okay if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a personal question you would like not to answer. I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you sell a horse for? What's the horlet

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<v Speaker 1>looked like?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>So I sold him for two thousand dollars. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I had another horse. I had two horses at one time,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I sold the other horse for five thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So the other horse was younger and had well, they

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<v Speaker 2>both had papers, but I just felt like she was

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<v Speaker 2>more valuable mayor, she was a mayor, she was younger.

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<v Speaker 1>What else are you in the horse? The horse you sold?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you guys divorced? Are you still married? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see him anymore at all. We have no

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<v Speaker 2>kids together, so well, thank.

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<v Speaker 3>God for that.

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<v Speaker 1>What else is going on in life? Janets?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just bought a travel trailer. Cool, so U

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<v Speaker 2>thirty foot trailer and mom is currently on hospice. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at months not years, and so I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at My next adventure is traveling a little bit with

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<v Speaker 2>my camper and yeah, and then eventually I want to

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<v Speaker 2>settle in Pennsylvania. I love the Hershey Harrisburg area in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like Hershey Park.

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<v Speaker 2>Well do you know penn National Racecourse?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I never heard of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, small track in near Harrisburg. It's in Grantville, Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I worked there when I was much younger.

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<v Speaker 2>I did you know galloped racehorses and ponied horses and

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<v Speaker 2>hot locked horses. And I'm actually going to come full

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<v Speaker 2>circle back to that lifestyle again.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think I'll be riding exercising.

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<v Speaker 1>How long have horses been a part of your life?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much since I was seven. I started writing lessons. Cool,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I took ten years of lessons and then

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<v Speaker 2>I got my own horse and did four h and

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<v Speaker 2>then I went to horse management school and managed to

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<v Speaker 2>race horse farm, worked on the track, worked on a

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<v Speaker 2>dude ranch, and then decided to do something safer, So

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<v Speaker 2>I went back to school to be a veterinary technician.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, how.

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<v Speaker 1>Long did do How long did you do that for?

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<v Speaker 2>I did ten years in small animal practice, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I did twenty years in research. So I worked with

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<v Speaker 2>mice and rats, and I even I did blood collection

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<v Speaker 2>and injections and surgery and wrote some papers and invented

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<v Speaker 2>some things cool and yeah. Yeah, it was a good,

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<v Speaker 2>good life. And then ended up back in small animal

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<v Speaker 2>practice for a while, right before I started taking care

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<v Speaker 2>of mom and.

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<v Speaker 1>For for all this time were you where were you located?

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan, Michigan. So I worked at the University of Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit at Wayne State University also cool cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And where taking care? Where is your mom at? Where

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<v Speaker 1>are you taking care of her at home?

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<v Speaker 2>We lived together our in a house.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're still still in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, we like Michigan. But I'm ready

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<v Speaker 2>to ready to move again.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know you told me a little bit in

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<v Speaker 1>the email that you sent that I read that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do You're going to do a podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>you interview folks about the paranorma.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought about that. So I have a lot of ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>I always, you know, I'm thinking about what I can do.

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<v Speaker 2>And because I don't want to take so security till

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sixty seven seventy, maybe you know I'm perfectly capable

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<v Speaker 2>of working. But oh, podcasting. I love the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>podcasting and talking to people, but I don't like the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of doing all the work editing and posting and

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<v Speaker 2>advertising and generating clicks and you know all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, well, let me ask you this, do

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<v Speaker 1>you like? Because I'm curious, do you when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about like doing a podcast, is it like something you like?

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<v Speaker 1>Would the podcast need to make money for you to

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<v Speaker 1>like be able to do it or do or do

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<v Speaker 1>you have are you able to just do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a good point. I guess I wouldn't. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>i'd have to have a job. I don't. I do

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<v Speaker 2>need income, So I suppose I could do it on

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<v Speaker 2>the side spare time kind of thing for fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Because well, here's the thing, is like, well, so people

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<v Speaker 1>the listeners can tell from the ads, but like the

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<v Speaker 1>phone call podc this podcast, you know, I do for

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<v Speaker 1>a living, but I do another kind of version of

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<v Speaker 1>my show where I like do it in person, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I set up my little and I actually

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<v Speaker 1>might start doing more episodes like that on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I might start releasing more episodes like that on audio

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<v Speaker 1>on like uh, you know, this podcast on Spotify and

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<v Speaker 1>Apple podcasts and stuff. But I've recorded several of those

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<v Speaker 1>episodes where like I'm out on the streets interviewing people,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've just I've just I don't know why, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just haven't even posted the you know, I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>even posted them because probably because I got lazy or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was like it was like I have episodes

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<v Speaker 1>like that recorded that I never posted, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not tripping out about it, because it's like I

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<v Speaker 1>just liked doing the interviews. I just liked being set

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<v Speaker 1>up and getting to chat with folks that I never

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<v Speaker 1>would have chatted with before. And I just liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, look, I guess that's I say all

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<v Speaker 1>this to say to you that, like, you know, unless

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<v Speaker 1>if you I don't know, if your whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>like you have a hankering to build whatever, but like

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<v Speaker 1>you could goddamn very well just take a camera, take,

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<v Speaker 1>take your I take. You could take your iPhone or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You could do a minimal, cheap, crappy setup, hint record

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh uh set up the just to get

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<v Speaker 1>people to talk, and and like, you don't you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to, you know, go u crazy. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to start a clip page and make

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram reels and yeah, I mean you know, like post

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. You can just post it on YouTube. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you know folks channel. Yeah, Chanel, it doesn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what I'm saying to you is like the you

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<v Speaker 1>don't like you the the the intensive labor. Sure, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to and if you really want to make

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<v Speaker 1>like a business out of it, and you really want

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<v Speaker 1>to do whatever you can. In fact, you know, do

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<v Speaker 1>do do labor intensive clipping and uh YouTube thumbnails and

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. But if you're just doing a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>for fun, it can be it can truly be as

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<v Speaker 1>labor intensive as you want it to be.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, just keep it simple, make it fun. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like I'm trying to get rich off it. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>have my part time job so I have enough income

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<v Speaker 2>to survive in my little trailer. Yeah, good way to

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<v Speaker 2>meet people in the community.

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<v Speaker 1>And also another thing is, you know, I don't know you.

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<v Speaker 1>There may maybe you uh you know, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>you you said you worked at a university.

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<v Speaker 2>I did you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know. If there's any Internet savvy folks

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<v Speaker 1>in your life who might be able to help you

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<v Speaker 1>out a little bit, you know. That's that's another option,

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<v Speaker 1>if if, if you know that happens to be a

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<v Speaker 1>thing in your life, right. But yeah, again, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is like it can be as you don't

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<v Speaker 1>like when you you know, I I assume that because

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<v Speaker 1>you are familiar with me that you're on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram and TikTok or whatever, and I'm sure you I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my daughter introduced me to you like four years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And actually you were in Romulus at one time.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that ring a bell? Romulus, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh hold on, let me it was four years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Romulus, Michigan. Rom Yeah, uh am, I hell on? Where

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<v Speaker 1>is that is that near Lansing?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's near Detroit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been Detroit a few times. Yeah, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>to Detroit, like yeah, three times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh yeah, yeah you were at this. I'm super

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<v Speaker 2>close to Romulas. Cool, but I actually had breast cancer

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. It was right after I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 2>You came in February twenty three, so I couldn't go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well hopefully I'll well, well, you know, I might do

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<v Speaker 1>another tour in twenty twenty six. I'll try to come

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<v Speaker 1>back to uh to Detroit's. Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, yeah, I'm sure you see like people

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<v Speaker 1>you clips or whatever. But yeah, like like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't have to be it. It can be as

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<v Speaker 1>labor intensive as you want it to be, or it

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<v Speaker 1>could just be like a fun passion project that you

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<v Speaker 1>do just because you want to talk to people. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in that too a little bit because again, like

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, this version of the podcast, like taking phone

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<v Speaker 1>calls and stuff is like, you know, my my business

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<v Speaker 1>and career and whatnot. But like the the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>I do outside of this where I'm just chatting with

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<v Speaker 1>people on the street is you know, I just do

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<v Speaker 1>that because it's fun. Yeah, that's why sometimes I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even post the episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh yeah, yeah, I like that idea. Yeah, I have

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of random stuff on my you tube channel.

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<v Speaker 2>It started with horse training because I had a farm

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<v Speaker 2>where I boarded and trained horses. So it's got some

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<v Speaker 2>It's Equine Charm School. Drop the name.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh hold on, yeah, okay, let's get another plug. Go

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<v Speaker 1>and how do you spell equine e.

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<v Speaker 2>Q U I n E.

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<v Speaker 1>School charm school? Well, you know either way, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I love the idea. I love Oh is it Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>Equine Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope? No, Equine Charm School?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh this is you Janet?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, cool, cool, cool. Well, I love it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's I think it's awesome. I'm I'm I'm I am,

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<v Speaker 1>I am uh truly, I I am inspired by you

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<v Speaker 1>continuing to at all states of your life reinvent yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and try new things and do something that I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's like the coolest fucking thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, definitely have done a lot of that, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did some traveling, did a lot of career changes,

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<v Speaker 2>and yep, just keep moving forward.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually actually invented a device that made anesthetizing cats

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<v Speaker 2>and rats in my safer for people and less stressful

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<v Speaker 2>for the animal, but it just never took off. I

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<v Speaker 2>put a lot of time and money into it, and eventually, finally,

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<v Speaker 2>after like fifteen years, I finally dropped it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>still have parts, like maybe I'll go back and do

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<v Speaker 2>something with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, what is anesthetizing?

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<v Speaker 2>So putting to sleep for surgery?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh oh oh you made you invented a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that allows you to put mice to sleep so you

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<v Speaker 1>can do surgery on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it made it safer for people because the way

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<v Speaker 2>they currently did it exposed people to a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the gas. You know how they put a face mask

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<v Speaker 2>over your nose and tell you to breathe and you're

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<v Speaker 2>breathing that gas. Well, in the research world.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a box. It's a little box like.

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<v Speaker 2>Five by eight size. You put a mouse in there

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<v Speaker 2>and you fill it with the gas, and the mouse

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<v Speaker 2>goes to sleep, and then you open the box and

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<v Speaker 2>all that gas escapes into the air and you're breathing it,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not good for you. So I came up

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<v Speaker 2>with the way that sucked the gas out of the

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<v Speaker 2>box before you opened it.

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<v Speaker 1>M that's cool that they care enough about mice to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep before.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh there's yeah, yeah. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>rules and regulations and oversight and and they're pretty you know, pretty,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very well regulated.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's not how I thought it was. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that they were just like I thought that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>in general, the consensus in the scientific community was just

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<v Speaker 1>fuck mice.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it depends who you ask. I guess, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean because and that's where I found my niche because scientists, biologists,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they know their research, they know they're a

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<v Speaker 2>lot smarter than me in a lot of ways, but

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know how to handle the mouth, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times they didn't have the respect for the animal.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Able to go in and help them do things better,

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<v Speaker 2>more respectful for the animal, and better for the animal,

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<v Speaker 2>and safer for them, and help them, you know, past

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<v Speaker 2>all the inspections and regulations and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice nice, nice, nice. Well, I'm sorry to hear that. You're, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you got divorced from I mean, I don't you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even get divorced. You just I think the horse, well whatever, Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess he probably didn't know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>because he's a horse, or maybe he knows horses no stuff. Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they have good memories, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Janet, Is there anything else you want to say to

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<v Speaker 1>the people of the computer before we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I would say that, uh, do you agree that

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<v Speaker 2>animals sleep and they dream?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I agree that animals dream? I think so?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've seen, uh, I got a Golden Retriever back

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<v Speaker 1>home with my family and I've seen it have nightmares

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<v Speaker 1>and ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like they're running and they were, so their unconscious

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<v Speaker 2>mind is dreaming, right, So if they have an unconscious mind,

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<v Speaker 2>they have a conscious mind. And if they have a

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<v Speaker 2>conscious mind, they are pretty similar the way they think.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of differences, but they have feelings, they

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<v Speaker 2>have consciousness.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank God for for consciousness. I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>but I.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, no, you did well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, Janet.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, thanks for calling.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a good one all right, love you, love you too. Bye.

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<v Speaker 5>Nah.

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<v Speaker 1>People got they got people. Gotta be telling them I

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<v Speaker 1>love them again. Ah. Fuck, I couldn't. I couldn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't leave Janet on hold. I'm not but you know what, whatever, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>who cares about anything? Who cares about anything? I feel

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<v Speaker 1>good right now. That was a nice converse issue with Janet.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel good right now. I've been talking a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about Uh. I think I've been talked a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the past few episodes about uh being in like a

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<v Speaker 1>weird existential crisis state and the antidote to that. Besides

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean fucking you know, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>get on meds or whatever. But I think the antidote

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<v Speaker 1>to that is like bringing yourself back to uh fucking

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<v Speaker 1>reality by uh, like doing things, not giving your brain

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<v Speaker 1>too much time to just fucking spiral. So I, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>feeling good. Hello, Hello, Hey, what's up man? How you

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<v Speaker 1>doing good?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>H I'm actually doing pretty good.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't taken phone calls in like a week or two.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just kind of focusing on like chilling out

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. And I'm actually I'm feeling pretty good. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel very connected to reality in this very moment.

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<v Speaker 4>That's good. You're sorry in Japan, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. I was in Japan for two months. I

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<v Speaker 1>might go back. I have no I kind of don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know what I'm gonna do with my life moving forward,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I might go back. It was a great time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a great time. It's interesting being back in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. It's a different vibe, but there is it

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<v Speaker 1>is nice to be in a place where you speak

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<v Speaker 1>the language and you feel a little bit more like

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<v Speaker 1>you belong there in some sense. But yeah, man, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's up with me? What's up with you? Sir?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh goodness, sorry, I'm like very nervous. I know, the

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<v Speaker 4>lowest sikes thing I'll ever do. I've just I've just

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<v Speaker 4>been calling for a while. I've been listening to you

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<v Speaker 4>for a while. You got me through a very rough breakup,

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<v Speaker 4>So thank you for that. Cool cool, yeah, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 4>right now, let's see just like, well what I want

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, sure, I mean any anything, man, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not pressed. Well yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean I've been listening to you

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<v Speaker 4>and when one reason I really resonate with you is

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<v Speaker 4>because you're you went to school for film, uh, and

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<v Speaker 4>so have I. I'm in Denver right now, I've got

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<v Speaker 4>a film degree, and I'm kind of just like I'm

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<v Speaker 4>so back and forth between I got something I can

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<v Speaker 4>do something with this, and also like it's a waste

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<v Speaker 4>of my time. Sometimes I'll just kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 4>an idiot because I do a little comedy sketches, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's such a back and forth between I really

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<v Speaker 4>got something here, I gotta keep trying, or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's time to do something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, When you well, yeah, I'm I'm curious about a

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<v Speaker 1>few things. When you say I really got something here,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that mean? What do you feel like you've got?

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I got to create a bone, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I can't be doing anything but creating. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I love comedy. I love sketch comedy. I love everything

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<v Speaker 4>about it. And every time I'm like filming something, I

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<v Speaker 4>create something. There's no other feeling like that for me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's Yeah, it's such a great feeling to really

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<v Speaker 4>have something out there that's like mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, so uh if you really so, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what's the dilemma here? Is like are you is it?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, here's here's the thing. And I'll go on

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a spiel. Is it like dreaming

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<v Speaker 1>of being able to do it for money?

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<v Speaker 4>That's also the struggle because like, I just posted something

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<v Speaker 4>on YouTube. I just revamped everything. It's like my first

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<v Speaker 4>video up there, and I know it's such a stupid

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<v Speaker 4>thing to post something and hope for views and like attention,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's kind of what it's all about. But at

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, if I'm not posting stuff because I

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<v Speaker 4>like it and it's authentic to me, then there's no point.

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<v Speaker 4>But I I feel so driven by like by views

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<v Speaker 4>and not same but like like a following and yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you want.

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<v Speaker 1>People to see it. Yeah, if you're gonna work hard

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<v Speaker 1>on something, yeah you want people to see it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>How long you've been doing this for? So?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I it all started because I was on

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<v Speaker 4>decided coming into college, and so was it like my

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<v Speaker 4>sophomore year of college. I was like, I have no

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<v Speaker 4>fucking clue what I want to do. And then there's

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<v Speaker 4>film club, you know, and then I made Uh, I

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<v Speaker 4>pitched my idea and we made it. It's like a

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<v Speaker 4>film noir stoner murder mystery and our bond gets murdered.

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<v Speaker 4>So that that was super fun and I just really

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<v Speaker 4>fell in love with it from there, and so I

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<v Speaker 4>kind of been on and off, but right now I'm

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<v Speaker 4>trying to be more consistent with it. But yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 4>whet started with me. And right now I'm at I

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<v Speaker 4>got like a few videos in my stockpile, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>trying to upload weekly.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you uh, you just graduate from college? Like, are

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<v Speaker 1>you like twenty two?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm twenty two, but I got my last quarter

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<v Speaker 4>here coming up, so I'm about to graduate, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>been freaking me out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's freaking you out about it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just I feel like I'm very reliant on my

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<v Speaker 4>parents still, and it's kind of like leaving college, especially

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 4>going into something that's like intense, as like film, trying

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.159
<v Speaker 4>to break into that because you've got to be NonStop

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<v Speaker 4>and relentless, you know, you gotta be able to take

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<v Speaker 4>it on the chin. And sometimes I worry about having

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 4>that just thought I've been having. It's like that hunger

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<v Speaker 4>almost if that makes sense, like really being hungry for

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<v Speaker 4>it and if it's yeah, but it's sometimes I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 4>there and it's I struggle with being productive and doing

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<v Speaker 4>things I want to do, and sometimes I'm like, am

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<v Speaker 4>I hungry? That's something that some people just have and

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<v Speaker 4>some people don't or do I have to tap into it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've wondered that too. I Mean some people are

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<v Speaker 1>just like it's it's interesting sometimes you like see other

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 1>people and you just have this image in your brain

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 1>that like something in their fucking like brain chemistry allows

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>them to like flawlessly, with zero resistance do things, and

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you get a little bit jealous. You're like, well, fucking

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<v Speaker 1>I wish that my brain worked that way, and I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because I do actually believe that some people

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>are just wired fucking differently than other people. But with

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<v Speaker 1>with the stuff that you're telling me, now that I've like,

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm from a place of like, oh, I've run the

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<v Speaker 1>gamut of like, uh, you know, having a following and

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff is like, well do you do do

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.719
<v Speaker 1>you stand up or do you do anything? Like in person?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't do anything in person, which I've been really

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 4>I need to get my uh what do they call it?

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 4>The five minute stand up? There was it? Quote? Again,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but I've been like wanting to get

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 4>into it, you know, but I gotta like sit down

0:28:59.240 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 4>and write an act.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you are you gonna stay in Denver? Like is

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that where you grew up?

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<v Speaker 4>I I grew up in Virginia. Okay, Yeah, I came

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 4>out to Denver for school and just kind of shows

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 4>film out here after the fact. But yeah, Denver has

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 4>a pretty good stand up scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, are you. Are you planning to hang out in Denver?

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna try to go to like l A.

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna go back to Virginia? Are you just

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of gonna go wherever you can find a job?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>See that that's another thing. This is why I like

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 4>the whole graduating costs. It's like freaking me out because

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 4>I got nothing planned out. You know, I'm trying to

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 4>think like I can if like I am uploading these

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 4>YouTube videos and I have my like group of friends

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<v Speaker 4>out here who help me out, I'd stay here and

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<v Speaker 4>keep doing that and work a job.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you friends your friends out there in Denver?

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 4>I got lots of good friends right here.

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>And and do you make videos with them?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, so I have a lot. I have a

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of thoughts about your situation. Actually, I have a

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of thoughts.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd love to hear them.

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<v Speaker 1>What I would say is that, first of all, the

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>fact that you're like a young guy and you have

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>friends that want to make videos with you, please please understand,

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>please understand this that having a following is great and all,

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>but having a being like a young guy and having

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>a group of like other young folks and you're together

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>making videos and you're having fun whatever you do through

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>your attempts at trying to be viral and trying to

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>have a following. Still, you know, there's a lot of like,

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, we could sit here and do business class

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>and I could say things like, you know, you have

0:30:56.080 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 1>to kind of make content in the context of short

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>short form video, and the way that they kind of

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>teach you to make stuff in film school is completely

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<v Speaker 1>antithetical to how things work in the real world. And

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 1>those are all things you should be thinking about and whatever,

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and you should still be striving to have a following.

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>But just please the fact that you've got a good

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>group of friends and you guys are making videos together

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and you're talking about jokes and you're laughing, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you get into the stand up scene in Denver or

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 1>the sketch scene in Denver, and you work, you're fucking

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>whatever thing you need to do to make money during

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the day, and you're hanging out with your friends making

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff at night, revel in how much fucking fun that is.

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, don't be too don't be too like if

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>you get don't be too hung up on like, oh,

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I gotta get out of my day job, like, you know,

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>if you got to fucking go wait tables or be

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<v Speaker 1>a barista or whatever and live in a thing with

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>like five other dudes. You know, just at least for

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>right now, just just revel and how fucking fun that is.

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Like you, you just are in such a position to

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<v Speaker 1>just have so much fun, you know, regardless of how

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>many people like are seeing the shit and you it's

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>still it's good to I think, be ambitious and to

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>be like, Okay, that didn't work. Maybe we try it

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>like this, and maybe you scroll on TikTok one night

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, this person's doing it like that.

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'll try something like that, like just if anything.

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>But the thing I want you to know is like

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<v Speaker 1>revel in the joy of the process of where your

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>life is at right now, because from where I sit,

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>your life seems really cool and fun, you know, to

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>have again to confidence and have a group of friends

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that want to make this videos with you, and to

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>be in a place like Denver where it's like, you know,

0:32:55.160 --> 0:33:00.080
<v Speaker 1>it's not as cut throat and fucking like you know,

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>brutally expensive and vast and expansive as as you know

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>in La or in New York, or whatever, But there's

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<v Speaker 1>still so many I don't know exactly what the comedy

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>scene is, like their shout out to what is it?

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>The comedy comedy work, Shout out comedy work. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the comedy Works.

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<v Speaker 4>You got the comedy just going there tonight?

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh who you seeing Josh Oh cool cool, shout out

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<v Speaker 1>the Comedy Works. That's one of my favorite comedy clubs

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>in the country. It's a great place. But like, dude,

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>go do the open mic at the comedy works. Go

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>explore the old scene. Go start a sketch show at

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 1>some fucking bar, Go do right your five minutes and

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>get into the thing, and your friends go with you.

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, Just dude, Like you know, here's

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the thing being having a following, and like you know,

0:33:55.680 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>it's it's, it's it's good, it's it's it's a good

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>thing to strive for. But just the where you are

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>right now is just so fun and you should just

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>like enjoy the fun of it and enjoy the process

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.240
<v Speaker 1>of it. Because here's the thing. If you're not enjoying

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the process of it, right, it's like it's not gonna

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>change suddenly once you have twenty four thousand TikTok followers

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>or whatever the fuck. So, I don't know, I'm excited

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 1>about your life. I think it's you know, if that

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>if that's helpful, if that makes you feel better in

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<v Speaker 1>any way, shape or form. You know, I think you're

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:37.799
<v Speaker 1>entering actually a very fun and exciting time, you know,

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>where you're in a community and you're in this thing

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>with your friends. I think it's cool. So that's that's

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>my I don't know if that's advice, that's just my

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.240
<v Speaker 1>that's my perspective on your situation.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's I mean, that's really just they you know,

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.360
<v Speaker 4>if I if I spend my time going after the following,

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 4>because that's just kind of a byproduct, like you said,

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 4>just spending time with your friend, you know, doing doing

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.280
<v Speaker 4>like something you love so much. And I'm just like recently,

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm just so strung tight, you know, really anxious about

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 4>everything going on, when I could just really kind of

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 4>and enjoy what I'm doing because I didn't really think

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 4>about it, like you said, Because even if I have

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 4>to wait tables or whatever, I get to like, you know,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 4>twenty two, I'm young, and I get to go out

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 4>there and do all that stuff, and it's just yeah,

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 4>it's just figuring that out without like I don't know,

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 4>I say, the anxiety of it all just kind of

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 4>gets to me and it kind of kind of it

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 4>can take away from that.

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Lot is the is the anxiety? Is the anxiety about?

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know it's about a lot of things,

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>but like if you had to pick it apart, you know,

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:51.240
<v Speaker 1>what's it about?

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:56.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean definitely recently it's been what the hell

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 4>am I doing after college?

0:35:58.880 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Huh?

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 4>Because I mean there's just god, there's just so much.

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 4>I've been going back and forth on.

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go ahead, what are the options?

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I mean right now, I mean I'm graduating with

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 4>just a film degree, and I know how you feel

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 4>about film degrees, and I'm like, I'm trying to figure

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 4>out if I go back to school and get a

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:24.239
<v Speaker 4>second degree for a.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Second and get a second degree for what?

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 4>Right Well, I was thinking like going back to marketing

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 4>and then I could do something with like commercials or

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 4>production commercials stuff like that, but then like exactly for what?

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 4>And then it's just kind of like a is it

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 4>a split focus thing if I go back and get

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 4>a second degree, or should I just like graduate with

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:50.840
<v Speaker 4>my film degree? And run with it, you know, yeah.

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean are you are you no shame in it?

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:56.800
<v Speaker 1>By the way, but are your parents helping out or

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 1>would you go into more debt?

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 4>No, my parents are helping me.

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:04.879
<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, I mean another I'm not I'm

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 1>personally not a fan of like getting another degree, especially

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>if it's like if you want to go I mean look, yeah, like,

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>well are you thinking like you're going to go like

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>be a PA or something?

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Uh goodness. So, I mean I I've talked to people

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 4>in the industry and because I like directing and writing

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 4>my sketches, and then they're always like, if if you

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 4>go in and be a PA, you're gonna be stuck

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 4>in the kind of the crew side of things. So

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.319
<v Speaker 4>like they're saying, go work at an agency. Was there

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 4>a suggestion, what kind of interesting like an acting agency?

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, it's not a horrible idea.

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because they're like, the only thing you need is

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 4>is like grassroots connections, so you go work at one

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 4>of those. And she was like, don't go to grad school,

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 4>go work here that you'll learn everything you need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I also don't. I also don't love the

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>idea of a second degree.

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, why do you say that?

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious, well, cause like what do you? What do you?

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I guess I just don't nothing you've said that you

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>aspire to do. Requires If you told me that you

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do biology research, I'd be like, yeah, you

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>need a second degree. Or if you told me you

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a lawyer, I'd be like, yeah, you

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:31.479
<v Speaker 1>need a second degree. But it being like you've said

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>nothing where that makes me feel like you need to

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>go get a second degree.

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think I'm almost like preemptively planning my failure

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 4>if that makes sense. Oh sure, I'm kind of like

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.400
<v Speaker 4>making a fall black plan. I was even thinking of

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 4>going back again, like like a teacher certificate, so I

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 4>could do that.

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:53.720
<v Speaker 1>While I'm like, yeah, but you could. You can always

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 1>do that later, you know. I don't know if I'm again,

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>if I'm, if I'm you, I'm I'm like, uh okay,

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I'll do whatever thing to make money. And if it's

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 1>film adjacent, then great. PA work sucks ass though, And

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.879
<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna if you because if you're if you're

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 1>a PA, then you're gonna be like, by the way,

0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 1>just for the listeners, I know, that, uh, this conversation

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>might be alienating to ninety nine percent of people, but

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>rarely do I feel it's it's f funny because sometimes

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 1>people will ask me for advice on stuff and I'll

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>be like, I don't know what the fuck to say,

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 1>but this, being twenty two and graduating from film school,

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like this, I feel actually genuinely very primed to

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 1>give advice about this, So I'm that's why this conversation

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:43.439
<v Speaker 1>has lasted so long. But anyway, Uh, you know, yeah, Pa,

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 1>work would suck because you don't want to be in

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>some job that's like, you don't want to be in

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 1>some job that's like eighty fucking hours a week, you

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Like, yeah, do some shit that's

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 1>like if it's industry adjacent, then great, but if it's

0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 1>just some fucking bullshit nine to five marketing job in Denver,

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>and like at night you can go out and do

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 1>stand up and make sketches with your friends. Like again,

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that you can have a fun, cool life.

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>You can have a fun, cool early twenties doing that.

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I really do think that's it's it's fun to I

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Again, I don't know exactly what's going on

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 1>in the Denver scene. But there's something going on, and

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can build locally by again having sketch showcases,

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and if you have a bunch of friends there, that's great.

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, by the way, like when you're

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.120
<v Speaker 1>saying like because you said to me, you were like, oh,

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I really got something, you know what I mean. The

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:58.760
<v Speaker 1>potential of being able to make a living or the

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<v Speaker 1>fleshing out of the thing that you feel like you've

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<v Speaker 1>got is not going to happen in your day job.

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna happen on the internet, and it's gonna happen

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>when you're hanging out with your friends talking about comedy

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:21.240
<v Speaker 1>and making jokes and doing things in the physical Denver scene.

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:24.479
<v Speaker 1>So I don't I really just wouldn't stress out about

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<v Speaker 1>your day job that much, you know, I mean, I

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't stress out about any of this stuff that much

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>because again I would just be reveling in the fun

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 1>of it, because it is such a it is a

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<v Speaker 1>joyous thing I think to be a part to have

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a community of friends and people who you can work

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.879
<v Speaker 1>on this kind of stuff with. So that's what that's

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 1>That's okay, that's the baseline. I would go at this

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 1>from it's like, I'm having fun making stuff with my friends,

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 1>and I'm making enough money that I can live on

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 1>my own without my parents' help. And then on top

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 1>of that, and then on top of that, you can

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 1>go like what's best for the algorithm or you know,

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:09.759
<v Speaker 1>whatever the fuck. But so that's that's that's all I

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 1>really have to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, that makes perfect sense. And

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 4>right now I'm trying to figure out how to just

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 4>relax a little bit, you know, yeah, yeah that should

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 4>go well. But yeah, you you inspired partly. I think

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 4>you subconsciously inspired the sketch I just uploaded. It's a

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 4>guy in a frog costume. It looks a lot like

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 4>the geck across the Magic frog Man.

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>The Magic frog Man.

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 4>I love it, The Magic Man.

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love it. I feel I feel

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like a magic frog Man every day. That's not even

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:50.320
<v Speaker 1>really are what's your name again? Pierce? Yeah, Pierce, Pierce,

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>great talking to you, Piers. I'm again if it makes

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I hope it makes you feel better. I hope it

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>makes you feel better too that I'm sitting here and

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, this guy sounds like he's in a

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 1>fun adventure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, totally. I mean also makes me feel better seeing

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 4>someone as like creative as you making it. You know

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 4>that always helps.

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks man, I appreciate your kind words. Is there

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>anything else you want to say to the people of

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the computer before we go?

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Would you be cool with me shouting out my

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 4>YouTube channel? Yeah?

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, go ahead.

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:26.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a dumpster champagne. One word.

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Hold let me, I'm gonna audit. You hold on dumpster champagne, Yeah,

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 1>dumpster sham pain? How fuck do you spell champagne? Hold on?

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 4>I know, right?

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>How the fuck? Hold on? Dump dumpster?

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Campaign a right? Dumpster said? How do you fucking spell

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:54.800
<v Speaker 1>this again?

0:43:56.320 --> 0:44:01.759
<v Speaker 4>C h A MP? Oh my god? Wait yeah, oh wait,

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 4>I got it, I got it, got it?

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay the magic frog man. Okay, here you go. This

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>is you. You look? Why what is this? A? Is

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 1>this a mug shot?

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.359
<v Speaker 4>Okay? So funny, funny story. I was trying to get

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 4>into Uh there's like a school trip to India and

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:22.400
<v Speaker 4>I had to get a visa, but I didn't have

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.200
<v Speaker 4>like a passport photo. So I showed up like like

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 4>ten minutes late to my passport photo picture. They maybe

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 4>put on that like the purple shirt, and then they

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.800
<v Speaker 4>took that picture and I wasn't allowed into India. Actually,

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 4>they wouldn't let me in.

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh ship, do you have to wait? Do you the way? Wait?

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:39.919
<v Speaker 1>Do you show up at the airport and they sent

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:40.279
<v Speaker 1>you back?

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 4>No. I was trying to apply for a visa. I

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 4>literally went to the embassy in DC and they denied

0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:48.240
<v Speaker 4>me like four times.

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Well they don't want fuck them, fuck them all. I

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 1>don't just never mind. All right, man, have a good

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 1>rest of the night. Pre al right.

0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.359
<v Speaker 4>I love you, Ba, you.

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Know, like I said, I know I alienated a lot

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 1>of I know that was a I know that was

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 1>an inside baseball kind of a call. But you know again,

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like that's a bit of the perspective I think

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I've gained over the years of doing this, and because

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I spent some time in like a local comedy scene

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:27.439
<v Speaker 1>when I was in college and whatnot. Is like it's

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 1>just fun. Like I think you forget that you always

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 1>when you're like doing things and you're kind of trying

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to make a living doing it or trying to make

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 1>a name for yourself or a following or whatever, you

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of forget that, Like oh this is supposed to

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 1>be fun, you know, but good luck, Pierce. Hey for real, Hey, Hey, Hey,

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 1>what's uh? What's that? What's your name?

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.120
<v Speaker 5>My name is a little bit hard to pronounce, but

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 5>I hope you try your best.

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:07.919
<v Speaker 1>It's moaz moiz mois what's up? Where are you calling from?

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 5>I'm from Germany. Actually, well I was born and raised

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:16.759
<v Speaker 5>in Syria, but I've been living here for the good

0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 5>part of nine months. So nine months, nine years I meant, sorry,

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 5>so yeah, yeah.

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, nine years from Syria. I've been living in Germany

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 1>for nine years.

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly, Yeah.

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Cool Man's what's happening with you?

0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm going to be completely real with you. It's

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 5>around eleven pm right now, and I was feeling incredibly

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 5>lonely and a little bit depressed, and I got a

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 5>notification that your stream started, and yeah, I've been listening

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 5>to your show for the past few years now three years,

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 5>I guess, since the pandemic cool or actually, yeah, the

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 5>pandemic is now five years ago. Yeah, a long time listener,

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.440
<v Speaker 5>first time caller to guess. Definitely a big sound of

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 5>the show man to guess.

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, sir. Great to hear from you. What's as

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 1>your Uh yeah, I'm familiar with eleven PM loneliness depression

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 1>for sure. What's uh? I mean, well, it's you know

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:25.719
<v Speaker 1>what's funny is I've been thinking a lot, Like I

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:27.840
<v Speaker 1>was about to ask what was on your mind? And

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 1>then I was kind of like, you know what's funny

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 1>is I'm really I've talked about this on the podcast before,

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>probably recently, but like I'm really torn between like it

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>is the cure for depression or whatever? Is it like

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:50.399
<v Speaker 1>talking through your problems or is it distracting yourself from

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 1>your problems? And you know, I don't know, I haven't

0:47:56.040 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 1>come to an internal consensus on that, but well let

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 1>me ask you are you feeling? Are you feeling a

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 1>talk through or a distraction?

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm actually more on team distraction, so to be honest

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 5>with you, yeah, because you know, in the last few years,

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 5>whenever I listened to your podcast, kind of an afterthought

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:19.840
<v Speaker 5>that I have is what would I want to talk

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 5>to you about whenever I eventually make it, And so

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 5>what I always thought about was telling you about, you know,

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.359
<v Speaker 5>the last nine years of my life and what I've

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 5>done with them since I've came to Germany. If you

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:35.400
<v Speaker 5>would be interested in hearing that. I would be more

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 5>you know than glad to tell you all.

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>About it you're here or hit me.

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 5>So, like I said, I was born and raised in Syria,

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:50.720
<v Speaker 5>and we came around here twenty sixteen with my family,

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 5>so we're war refugees basically, and since then a lot

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 5>has happened. I mean, I was seventeen years old at

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:02.759
<v Speaker 5>the time. I didn't speak any German or anything like that.

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:08.440
<v Speaker 5>But my parents were the typical immigrant parents, so you know,

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 5>they wanted us to succeed as fast as we could

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:14.879
<v Speaker 5>and as hard as we could sort of say. And

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:18.279
<v Speaker 5>so I went directly to a high school at the

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:23.760
<v Speaker 5>time and managed to get my diploma within the normal

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:28.839
<v Speaker 5>range three years. And after that there were way too

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:33.520
<v Speaker 5>many options open for me, so to say. And for

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 5>the longest time, actually, I was really interested in video games,

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 5>you know, playing video games and how they're made and

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:44.040
<v Speaker 5>all that, and so I was definitely interested in studying,

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 5>you know, game development. However, in Germany, and I guess

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:52.440
<v Speaker 5>all over the world most likely, that is not something

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:58.719
<v Speaker 5>offered in public universities or public colleges community colleges as

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 5>they call them in the US. I guess, and so

0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:05.240
<v Speaker 5>it was a privilege that I didn't have at the time,

0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:09.919
<v Speaker 5>and so I decided to study computer science instead, and

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 5>just last year I managed to finish my bachelor's degree.

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 5>And yeah, I have to say, man, it's been an

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:22.800
<v Speaker 5>insane journey. A lot has happened. Last year in particular,

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 5>has been you know, an incredible milestone. I managed to

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:31.319
<v Speaker 5>finally get my German citizenship, I landed my very first

0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:34.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, big corporate job, like I said, graduated UNI

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:38.399
<v Speaker 5>and everything. And I guess this year is starting off

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:41.440
<v Speaker 5>a little bit slower because there's not much going on anymore,

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 5>and there's no goal to chase, if you know what

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 5>I mean. And so I guess all this emptiness is

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 5>kind of coming from that. Like ever since we came

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:58.240
<v Speaker 5>to this kind of new country, there's always been something

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:02.040
<v Speaker 5>to chase and something to run after. But this year,

0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:05.840
<v Speaker 5>in particular, there's not been anything to motivate me to

0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 5>you know, do more or like there's no new milestone

0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:12.600
<v Speaker 5>to catch up to.

0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:13.839
<v Speaker 4>Does that make sense?

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:21.920
<v Speaker 1>It makes eight thousand sense. But why and forgive me

0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:25.520
<v Speaker 1>if you explained this already, but why is it that

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>this year specifically, there's nothing to go after.

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, ever since we were here, I had

0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 5>either school or college, and there was always something for

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 5>me to work towards, whether that's you know, finishing school

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 5>or finishing college. But ever since I landed my job,

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:51.719
<v Speaker 5>I basically try to live for the weekend, and whenever

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 5>I am at the weekend, there's kind of this dread of, oh,

0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.240
<v Speaker 5>the week is about to start again, and I'm losing

0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:00.880
<v Speaker 5>time and I'm not doing another and all of that.

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.839
<v Speaker 5>Even though please don't get me wrong, I love my job.

0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 5>My job is, you know, everything that I've ever dreamed

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.680
<v Speaker 5>of and more. But it's still, you know, forty hours

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.600
<v Speaker 5>a week. You still spend more time at work than

0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 5>with your friends or family, And so I feel like

0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:20.120
<v Speaker 5>life is passing me by a little bit. I guess, yeah,

0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't know. Some it's like that in that realm,

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:27.319
<v Speaker 5>more or less, we're around the same age. By the way,

0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:30.439
<v Speaker 5>I think, I'm like, I don't think i'm twenty six.

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:32.920
<v Speaker 5>I think you're twenty seven. I'm not sure, yeah, yeah,

0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:37.880
<v Speaker 5>but yeah, m m.

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, so you say that life is passing you by

0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:44.279
<v Speaker 1>and that you don't have any like things to go after,

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and by the way, I'm having like a similar thing.

0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Not to push it back to me, but like you know,

0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm having a bit of a similar thing going on.

0:52:55.680 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious when you say that, like, don't you get

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 1>to kind of decide for yourself if you have any

0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:08.400
<v Speaker 1>things you want to push towards and in that sense,

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 1>like do you not have any other goals or any

0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 1>other like things that you want to do.

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:19.400
<v Speaker 4>Now that's a good question.

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:23.359
<v Speaker 5>I mean I try to think about that around Christmas time,

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 5>kind of setting my New Year's resolutions or goals for

0:53:27.600 --> 0:53:30.920
<v Speaker 5>the coming year, and I was only able to think

0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:35.080
<v Speaker 5>of really long term stuff like, for example, I'm single

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:37.400
<v Speaker 5>at a time being, and so I was trying to

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 5>maybe get back into the dating world or maybe try

0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:44.319
<v Speaker 5>out new hobbies and all of that. And then I

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 5>was thinking about stuff even more long term, like eventually

0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:50.120
<v Speaker 5>buying a house or some sort of property. But that's

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:54.120
<v Speaker 5>not something you know, realistic in the next few years.

0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 5>But I have to some extent try to stick to

0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.960
<v Speaker 5>those goals, you know, trying out new stuff of new hobbies,

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:06.080
<v Speaker 5>for example, magic the gathering. Actually, even though I'm not

0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 5>that big of a of a card game guy, I

0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:11.520
<v Speaker 5>want I went to a local tournament recently, and it

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.719
<v Speaker 5>was it was pretty fun, even though a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>scary and a little bit intimidating. But uh yeah, but

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 5>you know, like you said, at the end of the day,

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:24.160
<v Speaker 5>it's like eleven pm, I'm sitting here and talking to

0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 5>a guy with a on in a get go suit

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<v Speaker 5>on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. It's true. It's true.

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:31.239
<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I've been thinking about this for myself a lot

0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:41.200
<v Speaker 1>of like how do I because I have a weird

0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:46.240
<v Speaker 1>obsession with like I you know, I kind of snapped

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:49.560
<v Speaker 1>recently and was thinking about how short life is, and

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 1>like I want to be doing something every day to

0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 1>make it so that uh my, I was like, how

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:02.760
<v Speaker 1>am I gonna make make it so that at twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>like when I'm thirty, like my life feels like it's

0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:08.400
<v Speaker 1>progressing forward, you know, and then like what does that

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.239
<v Speaker 1>look like? Does that look like some radical action or

0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:14.239
<v Speaker 1>does that look like doing some shit for an hour

0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 1>a day?

0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 4>You know?

0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 1>And so I don't know. I guess it's like you, yeah,

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.319
<v Speaker 1>these long term goals, it's like how do you break

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<v Speaker 1>them up into like some shit that you can do

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:29.560
<v Speaker 1>every day or every week or you know, like how

0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:33.480
<v Speaker 1>do you make shit manageable, right, and like, what do

0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you want yourself to look like in you know, X

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>amount of years? You know, do you want to learn

0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:46.840
<v Speaker 1>French or whatever? The fuck? And like yeah, how do you?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh god know, yeah.

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Like how do you how do you progress? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you move life forward? It's an interesting question. It's a

0:55:56.360 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 1>conundrum I'm dealing with myself, and I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I don't know. I'm just trying to like

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<v Speaker 1>fucking pick something and do it and keep it going.

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:13.319
<v Speaker 5>No, you don't have to worry about that, man, I mean,

0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:16.839
<v Speaker 5>I guess it's at least comforting to know we're all

0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:17.560
<v Speaker 5>in the same boat.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, of course you can't. Yeah, you can never

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 1>get out of it. You can never escape. I thought

0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I could rest on my laurels for a little bit,

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 1>because that's what happened is I was like, Okay, I was,

0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:35.400
<v Speaker 1>I did this successful thing, and I can just rest

0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:38.080
<v Speaker 1>on that. And there is a lot of I'm not

0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:39.759
<v Speaker 1>I would be lying if I said there was zero

0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 1>comfort in that. But I also I also I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking to my friends the other day. No, it was

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:48.680
<v Speaker 1>like with my friend last night, and I was like, man,

0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be like, you know, thirty eight

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 1>years old, ten years from now and being like, you know,

0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I used to be the therapy gecko. You know what

0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:04.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean. I gotta like keep figuring out shit to do.

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, your life never it never lets up funny,

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:11.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean even even sorry, like.

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<v Speaker 5>A forty year old gecko, a fourty year old geck

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<v Speaker 5>is pretty funny, you have to admit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean who who knows? But I mean even

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<v Speaker 1>like our our caller from earlier, uh Janet, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>she's sixty and she's was we were talking and she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, I have plans and I have ideas

0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 1>and I have you know, things I want to do,

0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, you know, it never ends. But that's

0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:42.560
<v Speaker 1>like that's good, right because once you you don't want

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:46.439
<v Speaker 1>to be done, that's when you're just gonna wither if

0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 1>that happens. I don't know if anything I've been saying

0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:54.760
<v Speaker 1>is relevant to any to what you were talking about.

0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:54.680
<v Speaker 4>But.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, man, I told guess what you mean. This

0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 5>actually kind of reminds me of you know, the sissifs meme,

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:06.880
<v Speaker 5>the guy that's pushing the rock up the hill. Yeah,

0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:10.160
<v Speaker 5>I guess we're all kind of in that motion, and

0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:13.840
<v Speaker 5>you have to you have to imagine SIPs enjoying his

0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:14.920
<v Speaker 5>his his journey.

0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:15.160
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:18.600
<v Speaker 5>It's not about the goal, it's about enjoying every day,

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<v Speaker 5>enjoying pushing up that boulder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know.

0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a way. It's a weird balancing act, right,

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 1>because you want to just enjoy fucking life as it is.

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:31.160
<v Speaker 1>You want to be able to go see a movie

0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:37.560
<v Speaker 1>without hating yourself, but you also wanna, you know, keep

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:42.120
<v Speaker 1>moving things forward. And everyone's brain is wired so differently,

0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Like some people just genuinely don't Some people genuinely are

0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:55.040
<v Speaker 1>very happy to just like not do anything and that's great.

0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 1>And other people are wired in this weird way where

0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 1>they're like, I have you know, I have to do

0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:04.960
<v Speaker 1>shit or else I will go insane. And it is

0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:07.640
<v Speaker 1>probably something to be said about understanding your own wiring

0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:14.200
<v Speaker 1>and making plays towards it. Man, it's so fun how

0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:16.240
<v Speaker 1>it's so funny how I think about these things when

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm like talking about them to other people on my podcast,

0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:24.920
<v Speaker 1>versus when I am alone and depressed at eleven pm

0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:28.560
<v Speaker 1>on Reddit looking for answers of some kind. You know,

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to watch less motivational content.

0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:38.600
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I've I've found myself recently looking I'm like

0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 1>looking for answers, whether it's like on the Internet or

0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:55.360
<v Speaker 1>from other people or whatever. And part of me throws

0:59:55.440 --> 1:00:01.080
<v Speaker 1>up my fucking hands after. I like after, because supid Instagram. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at one motivational thing and then it's and

1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:07.280
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, now like it's everything. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that it just keeps showing you and showing you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm I'm like, the answer, I'm like, this tweet

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to have the answer.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is first of all, there might just not

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<v Speaker 1>be an answer A and you have to accept that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then second of all, the answer is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be within my own stupid balls. So I got to

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<v Speaker 1>look there and not on Reddit.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess, well, will you will you let me know

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<v Speaker 5>if you find something in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I will let you know if I find something that's

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<v Speaker 1>helpful in my balls for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I actually wanted to say when you were on

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<v Speaker 5>your on your Instagram thing. I love the hope core

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<v Speaker 5>videos on TikTok. You know, the slide shows. Those always

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<v Speaker 5>it for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes they're stupid.

1:01:02.360 --> 1:01:06.120
<v Speaker 5>Sometimes there's just full of dark soul memes, but you know,

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<v Speaker 5>they hit the spot most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, I like those too. I like those two.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm just I'm at a point now where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just fed up with like, you know, at what

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<v Speaker 1>point do I am? I? Like, you know, I trust

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<v Speaker 1>myself enough that I don't need it. But maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>not true. Maybe that's bad. Actually, maybe it's good to

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<v Speaker 1>be constantly trying to learn from other people and other things.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I mean that's one of the fun

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<v Speaker 1>things about doing this podcast is uh, I'm constantly getting

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<v Speaker 1>to like learn from other people, and then I get

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<v Speaker 1>to share that with other people too, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool. Yeah, let me think what enoy you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, as a watcher and a listener for a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, no far, you go ahead, I was gonna say anything, Okay, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Was gonna say I was gonna that as a long

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<v Speaker 5>time listener.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, you know, for the past few years.

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<v Speaker 5>It's actually also very clear that about actually very clear

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<v Speaker 5>how much you're learning about yourself in the in the

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<v Speaker 5>whole process. You seem to, you know, kind of more

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<v Speaker 5>and more share stuff about yourself and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it makes the whole thing a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>more authentic. You know, I know you're this is awn

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<v Speaker 5>entertainment thing or whatever, but it still, you know, gives

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<v Speaker 5>off a vibe of authenticity, which I think most listeners

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<v Speaker 5>connect very well to.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a part of why the show is so successful,

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<v Speaker 5>whether it's you know, the live shows or the streams

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<v Speaker 5>or the podcast itself. So, you know, kudos to that

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<v Speaker 5>had thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks man, Thanks man. I was gonna ask you where

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany are you?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I am in Lower Saxony. I wouldn't want to,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, say that exact city, but I'm on Lower Saxony. Actually.

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<v Speaker 5>I bought tickets to see both of your show in

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<v Speaker 5>Amsterdam and Berlin last year, and I was sick for

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<v Speaker 5>both days. Around next year again or I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>what I would do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll try. I'll try to come around. I'll try

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<v Speaker 1>to come around. Yeah if I once, I gotta I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta kind of build up some new act or some ship.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll try to come around. I always have a

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<v Speaker 1>good time in Amsterdam and Berlin. Beautiful places, beautiful places.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh what's your name again? I know you said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to pronounce.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's it's Moas, but worries people call me mo also,

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<v Speaker 5>so that would be fun Moasas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been lovely talking to you. It's been lovely talking

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<v Speaker 1>to you, man. Is there anything else that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to share with the people of the computer before we

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<v Speaker 1>scadadle on out of here?

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<v Speaker 5>Keep grinding, keep hoping, and take care of your bets.

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<v Speaker 5>And I really hope I end up on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, this will be. This will be. This will

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<v Speaker 1>be in the podcast. This will be in the podcast. Great, mo,

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<v Speaker 1>take care, I have a go on, man, Bye bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked that guy. That was a lovely, lovely guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, what's your name?

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<v Speaker 3>Miranda?

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<v Speaker 1>Miranda? What's up? Miranda?

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<v Speaker 3>Right now? Walking on some railroad tracks?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? You you make? Are you doing like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a Tumblr thing?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it could be, but no, not really, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess you know, Ashley, this is crazy. We started. I started.

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<v Speaker 3>I took like a shroom gummy thing like about three

1:04:59.120 --> 1:05:03.480
<v Speaker 3>hours ago m hm, and then walked to a science

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<v Speaker 3>museum with for kids, went in there and now walking

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<v Speaker 3>back on railroad tracks?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you are you tripping?

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<v Speaker 3>I was more but not not too much. Now, I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of just feel like silly.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of just feel like silly. That's good. That's good. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're you're in like a come down a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but not in a bad way. I've had like

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<v Speaker 3>bad comdowns. This one's kind of just like it's freezing

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<v Speaker 3>cold out and I want to not be outside anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's like tolerable because it's just silly.

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<v Speaker 4>M M.

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<v Speaker 1>Well let me, I mean, it's a what what is

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<v Speaker 1>it is? It's okay, it's completely okay if if not anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you have something particular you wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about today?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, not really. I was just calling and calling and calling.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it that is? Well, let's do this. What's

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<v Speaker 1>your life like, Miranda, what's going on in your in

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<v Speaker 1>your universe?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? I don't really know. I go to work and

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<v Speaker 3>I also don't go to work sometimes. And I like

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<v Speaker 3>to ski sometimes, and I like to go outside sometimes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but also I like to go inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but where.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you are you?

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<v Speaker 5>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Walking through snow? I we're hearing a lot of snow crunches.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's the that's the snow yep. Nice, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like it was. It was I don't know where you are.

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<v Speaker 3>You felt this, but it was like fifty degrees for

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<v Speaker 3>like a couple of days, and it was just a

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<v Speaker 3>nice sneak peak to spring and summer. And so I've

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<v Speaker 3>been thinking, like I need to go outside, like it's

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<v Speaker 3>not as cold anymore, and then right now it's not

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<v Speaker 3>working out for me. There's no more sneak peak.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's your plan for the rest of the day

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<v Speaker 1>now that you've already uh done so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my boyfriend's like walking so far behind me. I

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<v Speaker 3>keep turning around and singing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, cool, this is cool. I thought you were alone,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be fine, but it's nice to have something

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm pretty much alone. He's like twenty five feet

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<v Speaker 3>behind me. But I don't know. Today's like a weird

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<v Speaker 3>day because I haven't remembered. It's kind of nice, but

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like regularly I'm like super stressed out about

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely everything. But today's a nice day to forget about

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<v Speaker 3>life and just walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I won't. I want to ask you what's stressing

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<v Speaker 1>you out? If we can just walk? How's your boyfriend?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's good. I think he looks good, he looks happy,

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<v Speaker 3>he's I think he's also he was never surfing his

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<v Speaker 3>head as like I actually in the beginning of this,

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<v Speaker 3>we like parked at a trail head, like we were

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<v Speaker 3>walking on snow like the whole time. We parked at

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<v Speaker 3>a trail head and there was like a severed dear

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<v Speaker 3>leg just like hanging out there. No body, just like

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<v Speaker 3>the leg, and I had like just started feeling it,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I was like, what's the fuck, Like what

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<v Speaker 3>is going on? And then we started walking on the

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<v Speaker 3>trail and I looked back and my boyfriend would pick

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<v Speaker 3>up the He's like chasing me with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, he picked up the severed deer leg. Dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was like, put that shit down.

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<v Speaker 1>What a fucking psychopath.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It was kind of like I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 3>must have been there. I don't know how long it

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<v Speaker 3>was there for, but it was like dry. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>like bloody. It was like it was like bone.

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<v Speaker 1>Does he still have it? Does he? Well? It's funny

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean I know what it's like to be

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<v Speaker 1>walking around and pick up a stick, right and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm cool now I have a stick. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if i'd do that with a deer leg.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, I wasn't, dude. I was surprised it

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<v Speaker 3>was in his hand. That's actually insane, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>freaking out so I started running. But it's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. You never see just like a severed

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<v Speaker 3>animal leg.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't. And that's probably a good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, because you never see how the world really

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<v Speaker 3>works outside of society, Like you just like having to

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<v Speaker 3>kill for your food.

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<v Speaker 1>You never see how the world really works outside of society. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like this this deer leg really gave you

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<v Speaker 1>made you do some kind of existential questioning.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, dude, I've never had to kill for my food,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you just make other people do it for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great American way. I mean, it's a life way.

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<v Speaker 3>But we'll think about it and they become vegetarian, Miranda.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything else you want to say to the

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<v Speaker 1>people of the computer before we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Go on a walk?

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<v Speaker 1>More?

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<v Speaker 3>Go on more walks?

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. I'll sign off on that.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, all right, take care of yeah you too?

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<v Speaker 1>By walking is good. I will sign off on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I have anything else to say? About walking. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes sense. It's probably my favorite thing to do

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<v Speaker 1>is to walk around. Okay, that's all I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say about walking. This has been a lovely episode. This

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<v Speaker 1>has been really fun. Thank you guys all for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a gecko and uh yeah, I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>know the past couple episodes have been me going insane slowly.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's such a weird thing with this podcast, man,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'll have and this has been going on since

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<v Speaker 1>it started. And maybe this perspective is helpful to people,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they can apply it to something going on in

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<v Speaker 1>their own life. But it's it's so weird because I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have like and again this has been going on all

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<v Speaker 1>five years that I've been doing this show. Is I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have like a month where I'm recording this thing and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, I've fucking this is beyond me and

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<v Speaker 1>I can't I like this feeling of like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I can be the like if I can

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<v Speaker 1>like show up to this, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'll have a month where I'm like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so awesome. I'm so stoked to get to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to all these people and to have these like

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<v Speaker 1>It'll just like like I'll be in my brain thinking

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, well that's this is all. That's all over,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know now it's this is just uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just gonna be despair forever. And then I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a month where I'm like, wait, actually we're back. Things

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<v Speaker 1>are good, life is real, the world continues, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And today today, recording the podcast today was definitely one

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<v Speaker 1>of those times where I'm like, wait, this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>pretty awesome. So thank you guys for listening, Thanks everyone

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<v Speaker 1>for calling, and I am excited to continue to be

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<v Speaker 1>a get go and talk to people about life and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. And oh once again, please'm in

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday March fourteenth. Friday March fourteenth, I am doing

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<v Speaker 1>an art exhibition in Bushwick, Brooklyn on March fourteenth from

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<v Speaker 1>seven pm to ten pm and it's free and the closer.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't actually know why I decided to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at my phone and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>why the fuck am I doing this? And that? But

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, why the fuck does anyone do anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Come see my trash the exhibition. The exhibition is called

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<v Speaker 1>Lyle Forever presents Trash from around my room. Uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>can find the link in the episode description and uh

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<v Speaker 1>you can put your phone number in there and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>text you more details about it. And also if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything else, it's in Brooklyn, New York. Uh come

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<v Speaker 1>hang uh yeah, check the episode description for the link

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<v Speaker 1>to that. All right, thank you all very much for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>GEK bless see you around the universe. See see you

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<v Speaker 1>in a few days when I drop another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. As always, okay, thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Akain goes on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Line taking your phone calls every nine every week.

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<v Speaker 1>And goes to just teaching you the line exper