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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Author and museum curator Albando Krimi has been collecting and

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Speaker 2: dealing in antiques all over the world for more than

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Speaker 2: fifty years. His fascination with the supernatural started at a

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Speaker 2: young age, at a time when his grandfather's brother and

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Speaker 2: uncle were exorcist priests in Sicily, and Mondo also helps

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Speaker 2: curate other museums and private collections throughout the world. His

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Speaker 2: website is linked up at Coast tocoastam dot com at

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Speaker 2: Mondo Welcome. I'm looking forward to this.

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Speaker 3: Hello George, how you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Fantastic, my friend. Then, how old were you at that

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Speaker 2: young age when you got involved in this.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been hearing stories my entire life from my

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Speaker 4: father about his family and the fact that my granduncle.

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Speaker 3: Was exorcist in Sicily.

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Speaker 2: Did you get you were fascinated with that, weren't you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean hearing the stories growing up and reading

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Speaker 4: some of the manuscripts, it just fascinated me about the concept.

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Speaker 2: I want you to tell folks to the name of

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Speaker 2: your museum, because that'll tell the story right there.

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Speaker 4: Well, the name of the museum is the Vampa Art

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Speaker 4: Museum and it's in Doylestown, Pennsylvania, and it's the largest

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Speaker 4: museum in the world having vampire killing sets as well

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Speaker 4: as strong paranormal items.

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Speaker 2: How did you get that name?

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Speaker 4: My daughter came up with it, Vampire Art Museum and

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Speaker 4: paranormal activity.

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Speaker 3: My youngest daughter did that.

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Speaker 2: Now, what are some of the things that are in

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Speaker 2: the museum and how long has it been open?

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Speaker 3: Museum has been open two years.

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Speaker 4: I've been collecting for over forty five years and we

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Speaker 4: have original vampire killing sets. We have two exorcism chairs,

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Speaker 4: a collection of talking boards, we have supernatural dolls. We

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Speaker 4: have one room dedicated to the edification of the archangel

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Speaker 4: Michael fighting Satan, and we have Asian art as well.

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Speaker 4: We have a lot statue of Garuda and we have

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Speaker 4: probably a couple of thousand items in the museum.

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Speaker 2: How do you find these items at mondo?

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Speaker 4: Traveling throughout the world In my twenties and thirties, I

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Speaker 4: had the opportunity to travel throughout the world for my work.

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Speaker 4: I'm also a full time antique stealer and I'm always

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Speaker 4: looking items come to us, people call us. People have

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Speaker 4: items that have panted energy to it. People have items

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Speaker 4: that esthetically they don't want anymore. So it's a combination

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Speaker 4: a lot of different things.

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Speaker 2: Do you hear about that tragedy in the Louver in

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Speaker 2: Paris where those people ran off with Napoleon's jewelry?

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Speaker 3: I swear I didn't do it, not you? Not you?

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Speaker 2: How do you rob from a museum like that?

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Speaker 4: It's sometimes quite easy, believe it or not, and sometimes difficult.

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Speaker 4: I've actually been involved in working with various governments on

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Speaker 4: help being recover items that were stolen from museums many

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Speaker 4: many years ago. I mean that situation seems really strange.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's probably was something where somebody had some

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Speaker 4: inside information.

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Speaker 2: I would think, I would think so. And they say

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Speaker 2: that the jewelry is valued it at one hundred and

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Speaker 2: two million dollars, What are they going to do with it?

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Speaker 2: Who would buy that?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: I would think they're going to break it up unless

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Speaker 4: they already had a pre soul to a very wealthy

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Speaker 4: collector who specifically chose that item and hired some people

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Speaker 4: to get it.

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Speaker 2: Is it illegal for that collector to buy the jewelry

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Speaker 2: even though it was stolen.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, there's no statute limitation on stolen artwork.

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Speaker 2: So he or she can't publicly go crazy and say, hey, folks,

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Speaker 2: I now own Napoleon's jewelry.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: It has to be someone who's quite obsessed to either

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Speaker 3: Must have a lot of money to do that.

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Speaker 2: When you picked up your item for your museum, was

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Speaker 2: it tough negotiation negotiating with people or did they just

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Speaker 2: willingly and freely give it to you? Or do you

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Speaker 4: I have to buy all the items, you know, negotiating

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Speaker 4: like negotiating anything. You know, some people might want more

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Speaker 4: Other people just want to sell it. Each case is different,

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Speaker 4: but fun, but a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: How old is your oldest piece?

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Speaker 4: We'll have items dating back from the Roman period, Mesopotanian period.

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Speaker 4: Most of the items we have are probably seventeen, eighteenth

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Speaker 2: Though, well, that's fantastic, give it. Paint us a picture

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Speaker 2: of Bundo. When we walk into the museum, what do

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Speaker 4: Well, the first room which is the largest room. We

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Speaker 4: call the Art of the Kill, and the items there

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Speaker 4: showed the testimony to the belief of vampires. And the

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Speaker 4: items will hand carved beautiful. You have items will lapis, malachite,

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Speaker 4: semi precious stones, various carved wood, various ion elements. I

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Speaker 4: mean a lot of different variety.

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Speaker 3: Why did you go to the museum? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Sorry, we go to the museum. The next room is

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Speaker 4: the exorcism room. The next room after that has a combination.

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Speaker 4: Then we have the witchcraft room, the Haunted doll Room

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Speaker 4: I'm a room with a carriage in it, and the

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Speaker 4: last room the Augangel.

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Speaker 2: Michael, is it a big museum?

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Speaker 4: That pretty big? You know for a small museum. It's

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Speaker 4: actually big. I mean we have eight rooms. We have

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Speaker 4: a very large following on Instagram for a museum, and

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Speaker 4: we have over one hundred and eighty five thousand followers,

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Speaker 4: so it's a very popular museum.

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Speaker 2: Good for you, Good for you? And what made you

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Speaker 2: put the museum together?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've always collected the items and the Actually the

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Speaker 4: museum is where my children grew up, so as they

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Speaker 4: got older, I didn't need such a big estate. It's

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Speaker 4: an italianate mansion, which is on the property of where

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Speaker 4: my other business is, my antiques and God in business.

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Speaker 4: And I just decided to be the perfect place to

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Speaker 4: have the museum and made it fits well with the items.

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Speaker 2: And are you still an ordained minister?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Tell me about that. How did that happen?

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Speaker 4: I've been interested, obviously in religion my whole life. I

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Speaker 4: was invited to the Vatican, you know, at the Exorcist

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Speaker 4: strong feeling to be a minister. My ministry is basically

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Speaker 4: non denomination. It's all about love, compassion and charity. So

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Speaker 4: I just decided to do it and did some studying

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Speaker 2: Now you're Italian, I assume right?

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Speaker 3: Sicilian?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Sicilian, and most Sicilians are Catholics. Is that how

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Speaker 3: Yes? I was ra Roman Catholic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, me too. Now this conference you went

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Speaker 2: to two years ago, the Exorcist conference, tell us about that.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was amazing.

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Speaker 4: I was quite honored to be invited to do that,

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Speaker 4: how to have permission from my local priest as well

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Speaker 4: as a bishop, And it was probably most fascinating things

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Speaker 4: I've done in my life. I was with three hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty exorcists another one hundred and fifty exorcist candidates.

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Speaker 4: It was quite academic, and it's amazing because the people

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Speaker 4: was amazing. And these are small, small people. I mean

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Speaker 4: they have two PhDs, they speak four or five languages.

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Speaker 4: It's not mass hysteria. It's just a strong belief in

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Speaker 2: And they take this very seriously, don't they.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, very very seriously.

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Speaker 4: Most cultures do you know, just was and we had

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Speaker 4: exorcism conference, so it wasn't just Roman Catholic. It was

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Speaker 4: a combination of different beliefs.

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Speaker 2: There was a movie about the Pope's exorcist, Gabriel A Morth,

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Speaker 2: that was played by Russell Crowe. He did a great

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Speaker 2: job doing that. But the Catholic Church at Mondo takes

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Speaker 2: this very seriously, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, just like most religious I mean it's a serious thing.

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Speaker 4: In exticism, it's a it's a liberation of the soul

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Speaker 4: and it can be quite intense.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about demons. What do you

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Speaker 4: Well, I do believe in demons. I do believe in

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Speaker 4: also neuroscience. I do believe in psychology.

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Speaker 3: So it could be a.

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Speaker 4: Combination of different things. I don't always say it's a demon.

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Speaker 4: People could have multiple conflict Like you can have a

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Speaker 4: can have an anxiety disorder and have a spiritual connection

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Speaker 4: as well. I mean, demons are bad. They do not

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Speaker 2: But you believe it's a real deal, right.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely no doubt in my mind. There's absolutely no doubt

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Speaker 4: the stories of my family, as well as being on

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind.

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Speaker 2: I mean being so involved in these strange pieces in

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Speaker 2: or rubbed off in the museum?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I can tell tons of stories of things that's happened.

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Speaker 3: Remember I also live above the museum. I live upstairs.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, you do. We'll get into that in

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Speaker 2: the second so what are some of the things that

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Speaker 2: have happened there at the museum.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've had It's not just in the museum though,

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Speaker 4: on the property as well, which I'm in right now,

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Speaker 4: and the combination voices, footsteps, items that have moved various

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Speaker 4: spiritual feelings that people have had in the museum. But

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Speaker 4: it's not always negative. I always tell people that, let's

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Speaker 4: say you hear or see something so you get scared

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Speaker 4: at your amiglia, but perhaps it's your guardian angel or

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Speaker 4: So I don't really always go with the negative. We

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Speaker 4: do have a spirit on the property that it came

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Speaker 4: with the property. Her name is Abigail. She's an eight

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Speaker 4: year old girl. She used to be an old dairy

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Speaker 4: fall and she loves milk. And she's not nefarious, banding

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Speaker 4: stretching imagination. But she's very nice and she's very playful.

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Speaker 4: But sometimes she's scared you, especially if you hear a

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Speaker 2: What happened to Abigail when she was little.

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Speaker 3: We did some research.

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Speaker 4: I actually recently was in London trying to get some information,

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Speaker 4: but it's very difficult. It's not like today where everything's

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Speaker 4: on a computer and there's lots of records. We do

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Speaker 4: not believe she passed on on the property. A lot

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Speaker 4: of times spirits go back to a property which was

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Speaker 3: They had a very good time.

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Speaker 4: People always want to think that the spirit had to

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Speaker 2: Amazing, but you would you say she haunts the museum.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she definitely is play for I mean, people have

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Speaker 3: She likes to play with milk. I guess because this

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Speaker 2: We're talking with al Mondo Krume. His website is Vampa

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Speaker 2: How often are you open, and I'm sure you can

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Speaker 4: Yes, We're open Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday from ten

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Speaker 4: go down the basement where items have not been cleansed yet,

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Speaker 4: and we even do that now with flashlights. So the

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Speaker 4: entire museum is dock, which actually is not meant to

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Speaker 4: With a flashlight, you can individually focus on a beautiful

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Speaker 4: work of art, actually much easier generally.

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Speaker 2: How long does it take to go through the museum?

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Speaker 4: Usually I would say anywhere between a half an hour

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Speaker 2: Well, that's not bad, that's not bad. And when most

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Speaker 4: I think they're interested. I mean it has a lot

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Speaker 4: We have a dinosaur park on the property for children.

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Speaker 4: We have mazes for children, we have peacocks, so it's

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Speaker 4: not just scary, but it's a family friendly property.

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Speaker 2: How extensive is your vampire the situation?

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Speaker 4: And we have the biggest collection in the world by far,

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Speaker 2: Now, what are some of the things you have tied

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Speaker 4: Well, we have the vampire killing sets. We have larger

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Speaker 4: We have items and trunks that have been on boats.

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Speaker 4: We have individual implements in iron in Codswood. I mean

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Speaker 4: we probably have, you know, close to fifteen hundred people

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Speaker 2: The Yeah, what is a vampire killing set?

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Speaker 4: It's usually a box that would have crucifixes, you would

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Speaker 2: What do you think of the theory of vampires.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, the Bromstroker wrote a book Dracula eighteen

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Speaker 4: we have are prior to that concept. To me, it's

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Speaker 4: more of a demonic entity than actually a situation. Like Bromstroker,

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Speaker 4: great book. I mean, I love vampire movies, but that's

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Speaker 4: still fiction based on reality.

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Speaker 2: Well, based on some of these movies. I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: remember the old black and white not start.

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Speaker 3: Uptu Oh yeah, yeah, great, great.

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Speaker 2: What a hideous looking vampire he was, wasn't.

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Speaker 3: He He was very scary. Yeah, he had a different look.

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Speaker 3: He had definitely a different look.

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Speaker 2: And as the vampires evolved, was it all based on

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Speaker 3: That's one of the concepts I mean goes prior to that.

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Speaker 4: specifical Brahmstroker's concepts about Lady Impala.

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Speaker 2: What is your favorite piece in the museum?

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Speaker 4: Get that question a lot. It's really hot to say.

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Speaker 4: We do have a eighteenth century hearse which is actually

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Speaker 4: beautiful and it was outfitted to hunt vampire. So the

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Speaker 4: family would actually travel from various towns throughout Europe and

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Speaker 4: they would hire themselves to rid the town of so

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Does your daughter run the museum?

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Speaker 4: Well, I have two of my daughters on one North

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Speaker 4: which is really cool, so we'll do thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: So we're doing a lot more in house. I'm Cammi

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Speaker 4: And my two main people for the social media, especially Cammy,

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Speaker 4: she really does a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: Do you think at Mondo that there are real vampires today?

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Speaker 3: Well, we just did a.

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Speaker 4: Collaboration with a local museum called the Tileworks and we

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Speaker 4: had lots of people dress up as vampires. We had

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Speaker 4: Madam X who is a vampire a very lovely person.

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Speaker 3: It's almost sometimes some people consider it like.

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Speaker 4: A cosplay thing. They like to dress up. A lot

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Speaker 4: of people like to dress up in goth and Victorian outfits.

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Speaker 4: Some people might believe they're a vampire, but in their

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Speaker 3: Want to identify as a vampire.

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Speaker 4: So I don't believe in that there are vampires roaming

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Speaker 3: But I do believe in demons.

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Speaker 4: So that is another, you know, offshoot to the concept

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure you remember the Hollywood version of Vampira.

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Speaker 3: Huh. Yes, Yes, there's a lot of good movies.

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Speaker 2: As as Hollywood kind of romanticized the vampire.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean they bring a sexuality in it. They

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Speaker 4: bring the concept of momentum more about you know, mortality

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a very seductive concept.

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