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Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets

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Speaker 2: Up Podcast. We are patiently awaiting Opening Day, but we

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Speaker 2: do have some things to talk about spring breakouts coming up.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about that, one of our favorite events

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Speaker 2: of the year, that one of our favorite events and

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Speaker 2: all baseball. The World Baseball classes just ended, so we'll

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Speaker 2: give you our thoughts, feelings, opinions on all that as well.

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Speaker 2: Wait for Opening Day. I cannot wait. I need real baseball.

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Speaker 2: The WBC got me itching before we do get going

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Speaker 2: WBC was crazy. I think we'll talk about that in

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Speaker 2: the second Spring breakout. One of our favorite things. Let's

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Speaker 2: tell the people a little more about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm super excited for the spring breakout. Just as a

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Speaker 3: reminder to you, guys, if you're not tuned in or

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Speaker 3: just freaks of nature like us. I'm sure some of

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Speaker 3: you guys are. If this is the third year now running,

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Speaker 3: fourth year, third year now running, I think Major League

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Speaker 3: Baseball is doing an event where teams can kind of

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Speaker 3: ordain some of their breakout prospects.

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Speaker 4: We're kind of coming on the cusp of.

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Speaker 3: Becoming more important pieces of the organization, and they play

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Speaker 3: a game, and the Mets spring breakout game is tonight

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Speaker 3: when you guys are listening to this seven o'clock against

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Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Rays, it's going to be at Port

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Speaker 3: Saint Lucy. So if you guys are down at spring

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Speaker 3: training of this last week of spring training games were

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Speaker 3: going to be able to catch it. Major League Baseball

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Speaker 3: of course shout out them out as usual, going up

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Speaker 3: against March Madness with one of the best marketing events

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Speaker 3: of the spring. But the Mets, comparatively to the years past,

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Speaker 3: this is not I think the most exciting roster. I mean,

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Speaker 3: two years ago was the Nolan McLain breakout show. Last year,

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Speaker 3: I think we got a good look at Carson Bench too,

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Speaker 3: and people start to really realize what was going on

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Speaker 3: among other players. This year, it's a little bit looser

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Speaker 3: on some top end talent, but we're going to have

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Speaker 3: a j Ewing, Ryan, Clifford, Jacob Ryan or guys we've

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Speaker 3: still a very very fun list for just a really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited to see some of these new names

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Speaker 2: that are popping up on this spring breakout list because,

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Speaker 2: as you said in the past, a lot of the

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Speaker 2: big name prospects, and we still have some of those guys,

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Speaker 2: but the top of our farm system now is getting

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Speaker 2: ready to graduate, is getting ready to be at the

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Speaker 2: major league level, so a lot of those guys will

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Speaker 2: not be appearing in this game. Like technically, Noel McLean

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Speaker 2: is still our number one prospect, which I mean that just

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Speaker 3: Let me just pitch the World Baseball Classic finally is

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Speaker 3: our number one prospect. But again, I think the big

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Speaker 3: edja Ewing is looking like the next number one overall

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Speaker 3: if I had to guess. Ryan Clifford and Jacob Rimer

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Speaker 4: Both hit the ball hard.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorites the last few years, Eli Serrano,

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Speaker 3: He's had a couple of shots this spring. He's been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's there are some exciting fun names

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Speaker 2: Good for pronunciations, hass Brewer, Electric Name, Nicholas Carrano, Saul Garcia,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, similar to we just talked about with Serrano. I

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Speaker 3: I know that teams really did like his bad objectively

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Speaker 3: He didn't strike out very much. He didn't walk very

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Speaker 3: So I'm still one if he's trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: He didn't hit the ball super hard, but again, now

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Speaker 2: Archetypes and also Mitch Voight from that draft class as well.

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Speaker 2: Sooyt We talked about it with Matt Eddie. Very exciting,

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Speaker 2: someone who could also be potential number one prospect in

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Speaker 1: System by the AAR for the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's playing shortstop, which is something that we

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Speaker 2: didn't actually expect coming out of the draft. He was

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Speaker 2: They have faith in him that he can play shortstop

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Speaker 2: has been making some really good contact, putting up some

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Speaker 2: good eggs of Velo's, making good swing decisions, all things

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Speaker 3: I'll say this too, I'm starting to get a little

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Speaker 3: you think about a guy like Mitch Voight, because two

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Speaker 3: Nolan McLain two way player. Oh look at this.

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Speaker 4: Will McClain became a superstar.

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Speaker 2: And he hit really well too when he hit with

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Speaker 3: big swing change with Mitch Voight. I believe that they

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Speaker 3: he made good swing decisions, and then now he could

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Speaker 3: Like there's he has the kind of helium for things

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Speaker 3: from baseball perspectives, his most recent top hundred and one prospects.

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Speaker 3: Serrano and Voight were already fringe top HUNCHD prospects. Whoh okay,

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Speaker 3: So like there's already a like growing helium in the industry,

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Speaker 4: So it's just it's a nod to.

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Speaker 1: And also just.

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Speaker 2: horse potential Number one can the Bronx Talton varshow Chris

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Speaker 2: Suero If he can play catcher and center field and

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Speaker 2: whatever he's done on the infield, along with the hitting

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Speaker 3: The one thing I really want to watch with swear,

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Speaker 3: I've been saying that like kind of tongue in cheek

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Speaker 3: on to other future top punch of prospect it's the

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Speaker 4: If he can actually get out there and play.

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Speaker 3: I know it's been mostly left so far but the

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Speaker 3: so it's like end he's got seventy four mile prior

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Speaker 3: We talked to him at the Arizona Follig last year.

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Speaker 4: He was a homie.

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Speaker 3: But like it's it's kind of the spot where there's

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Speaker 2: That's one of those where if the Mets hit on that,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna really see some poculable yeat cockiness from us

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Speaker 2: if they made Chris Swerer, who I believe was an

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Speaker 4: Which year was that though?

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Speaker 3: Was it that DKA swept up in the twenty twenty BS.

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Speaker 4: Now A lot to talk about Marco Vargas.

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Speaker 1: That's very hits one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred, Like, are you a major league reliever?

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Speaker 2: That's my prediction of Bold. Bold I know, right picked

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Speaker 3: get the final out. He was like actually starting to

438
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Speaker 3: tear up and get a motion on the mount and

439
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Speaker 3: then he uncorked one of the nastiest one hundred bolls

440
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Speaker 3: aur fastballs I ever seen in my life that had

441
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Speaker 3: crazy lift on it. It was just it was basically unhitable pitch,

442
00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,440
Speaker 3: and he was so he knew that the pitcher, he

443
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Speaker 3: knew he was just gonna uncork the nasty unhita ble fastball.

444
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Speaker 3: That's brom Nanthy, who was one of the better again

445
00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,280
Speaker 3: young one about hits in the league. Are they at

446
00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,040
Speaker 3: this point would still have no chance to catch up

447
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Speaker 3: to it?

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Speaker 4: And just how I don't know.

449
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Speaker 3: It's fun Like Michael Garcia, another guy who's not really

450
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,320
Speaker 3: notable unless you either are a sick hover freak like

451
00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,560
Speaker 3: Mark and I or play Fantasy Baseball, and then he

452
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Speaker 3: wins the MVP this torment coming off almost a six

453
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Speaker 3: win season. It's like, this is very fun to get

454
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Speaker 3: exposure to these guys that didn't have it in the past. Yeah,

455
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Speaker 3: and even looking at like just other teams around things,

456
00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,359
Speaker 3: Team Italy making the run to the semi finals and

457
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Speaker 3: almost taking down Team Venezuela, like it was close down

458
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Speaker 3: to the end.

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Speaker 2: Aaron, Yeah, Aaron Nola pitched great. Michael Lorenzen, even though

460
00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,600
Speaker 2: he gave up the league, really didn't pitch poorly either.

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Speaker 2: It's a shame he's gonna pitch in Colorado because it's

462
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Speaker 2: not gonna matter how well he pitched right now. But like,

463
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Speaker 2: you're finding guys like Sam Antonacci, who was playing really

464
00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,960
Speaker 2: well and has been kind of like a spring training darling.

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Speaker 2: Before WBC, we saw Nick Morrido get into games. We

466
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Speaker 2: saw Dante Norri in center field for Team Italy play

467
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Speaker 2: really well. Alex Rodriguez Dante Noriy a future star, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's that's a bull born. I mean he's

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Speaker 2: he's in our division. So keep an eye out for

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Speaker 2: Dante Norri. But I mean, let's pump the breaks there. Hey,

471
00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,560
Speaker 2: at least a rod was pumping the tires for the WBC,

472
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Speaker 2: unlike the captain Deir Jeter, who was like, nah, this

473
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Speaker 2: means nothing in the World Series is better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, before the game, that was a fun, divisive conversation

475
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Speaker 3: that happened around the World Baseball Classic. And I'll definitely

476
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Speaker 3: say you understand both sides, but I think it is

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Speaker 3: just us, just us being Americans.

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Speaker 4: Like, of course I think the World Series is more important.

479
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,439
Speaker 3: But then watching Team Venezuela win and watching the way

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Speaker 3: they sang their anthem and watching like the entire team cry,

481
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Speaker 3: watching wild Queen Junior cry when they won the semi

482
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Speaker 3: final game in the outfield, Like there's there's definitely a

483
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Speaker 3: level of emotion these guys have representing their countries that

484
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Speaker 3: we just probably don't have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not Is it just because of Major League

486
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Speaker 2: Baseball and growing up like you you aspire to be

487
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Speaker 2: a Major League Baseball player and win a World Series

488
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Speaker 2: where I talking to a lot of like the Venezuelans

489
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Speaker 2: or Dominicans like this not that necessarily this tournament, but

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Speaker 2: this is their opportunity to prove that their country is

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Speaker 2: the best in the world. And when you beat America USA,

492
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Speaker 2: who's supposed to be the best in it is seventy

493
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Speaker 2: five percent of the players in Major League Baseball, it's

494
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Speaker 2: a huge not just pride for the country, but it's

495
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Speaker 2: a big chip on their shoulder too, of like, we're

496
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Speaker 2: just as good as you no matter what.

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Speaker 3: Also, something is that none of these guys live in

498
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Speaker 3: their home countries. And most of that is like by

499
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Speaker 3: by you know, of course by choice. Like they've they've

500
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,199
Speaker 3: they've breached the major leagues, they've succeeded in dreams, they

501
00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,920
Speaker 3: have you know, rich's wealth, great situations, but to actually

502
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Speaker 3: be able to represent their countries again with something they

503
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Speaker 3: don't get to do. I think a lot of American

504
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Speaker 3: born players you probably feel like subconscious you're kind of

505
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Speaker 3: just representing your country all the time, Like you're never

506
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Speaker 3: not like, oh yeah, I'm Aaron Judge, I'm a Yankee,

507
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Speaker 3: I live in New York. I played for the like

508
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I'm in America. Like it's yeah,

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Speaker 3: it seems very obviously representing your country. It felt like

510
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Speaker 3: Skiens was the one guy who was like vivaciously passionate

511
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Speaker 3: about repping USA in this tournament for this team, and

512
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Speaker 3: the other guy's like, yeah, we we like America. Salute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Him and Griffin Jack's the two air Force guys.

515
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Speaker 3: Like literally Griffin Jacks my roomates the Air Force guy,

516
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Speaker 3: and he was to mention that team was like no

517
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Speaker 3: way too.

518
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Speaker 4: I was like yeah, I was like what yeh.

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Speaker 2: Paul Skans, being a sneaky Air Force guy, used to

520
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Speaker 2: play after at Air Force as well and would hit tanks,

521
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Speaker 2: which is kind of hilarious.

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Speaker 1: They should have let him hit last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Griffin Jacks actually graduated from the Air Force

524
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Speaker 3: and then he he didn't take a tour, but I

525
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 3: think he was stay somewhere in America and he actually

526
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Speaker 3: had to leave his first few minor league seasons to go.

527
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Speaker 3: I don't know the exact terminology, so I apologize military personnel,

528
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Speaker 3: but he basically had to leave and be somewhere for

529
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Speaker 3: military stuff for a few months of the year, and

530
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Speaker 3: he would come back and then he deployed, but it's

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Speaker 3: not the ploy because he was still in America, I believe, Okay,

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Speaker 3: was he like Preserve I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Reserve station Again, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: I'm not don't want to offend, but like it's having

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Speaker 3: two guys in the team that did that were cool

536
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Speaker 3: with Grip Jackson on this team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Grip of Jackson was on the team.

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Speaker 4: He why didn't he pitch on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: He's pitched a lot. They've used him a lot.

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Speaker 3: Because that was the other kind of storyline about what

541
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Speaker 3: was going on WBC was Mark DeRosa watch which he

542
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Speaker 3: had the gaff in the group play where it didn't

543
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Speaker 3: seem like he realized that America had to win to advance,

544
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Speaker 3: and he.

545
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Speaker 1: Backtracked and they seemed to realize he did not Yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: Then and then also just like the way that he

547
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Speaker 3: said before the game that Mason Miller was available, but

548
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Speaker 3: then after the game we found out it was only

549
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Speaker 3: a safe situation. But then it was tied to the ninth

550
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Speaker 3: enning when we blew it, no safe situation could have arose.

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Speaker 3: And then with the flip side that the Cubs tried

552
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Speaker 3: to make Daniel Plenty not available and Omar Lopez Evenzuela

553
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Speaker 3: Mager was like, we're gonna make available for a safe situation.

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Speaker 4: They're like, okay, I guess so yeah, Like I'm.

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Speaker 2: In a pitch, like again, I hope this isn't taken

556
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Speaker 2: as like a shot to any of the guys on

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Speaker 2: the USA. But like the other countries, just felt like

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Speaker 2: they had a little more like a little more, a

559
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Speaker 2: little more zest, a little they felt like dogs where

560
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Speaker 2: it felt like Team USA again, And I mentioned this

561
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Speaker 2: on the wind up point we talked about it felt

562
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Speaker 2: like they were playing the bad guy role the Soviets

563
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Speaker 2: on the Miracle on Ice like just like coming in

564
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Speaker 2: there was like a like in New Jerseys. Yeah, a

565
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Speaker 2: different energy about them where it's like coming business like

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Speaker 2: beat beat us, like they had a target on their

567
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Speaker 2: back as opposed to being like we are the best,

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Speaker 2: come beat us and have some fun with it.

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Speaker 1: They were, they were tight, they.

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Speaker 3: Just didn't have any fun with it like all these

571
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Speaker 3: other teams had fun with it, Like Salvador.

572
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 4: Perez as leader, you're having fun with it. The whole

573
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Speaker 4: Dominican team.

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Speaker 3: All they did was have fun with it, like Vinnie

575
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 3: pas Quentino and the Espresso.

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Speaker 4: They were having fun with it.

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Speaker 3: Like Joe Davis mentioned that Shohatani showed more emotion that

578
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Speaker 3: home run against Venezuela than he's seen like ever from

579
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 3: the guy, which like that's kind of crazy to here.

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00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: This USA team just kind of they felt like they

581
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Speaker 3: were six in the mud half the time. It didn't

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00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 3: I was reading for USA, of course, but it felt

583
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 3: like this tournament had a more satisfying ending with them

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Speaker 3: not winning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, weirdly it kind of did. Venezuela was the better

586
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Speaker 2: team in this tournament. They played better baseball. They deserve

587
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Speaker 2: to win, and hats off to them for being the

588
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 2: World Baseball Classic champions for the first time in the

589
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Speaker 2: history of the tournament.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you guys for all hanging out there watching

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Speaker 4: with us.

592
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Speaker 3: I know some Mets fans don't really love the World

593
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: Baseball Classic the whole, the vendetta probably forever from Edwin Diaz,

594
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Speaker 3: but this tournament's amazing.

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Speaker 4: It's so cool to see where it's been.

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Speaker 3: I feel like this is something that's really again after

597
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Speaker 3: the World Series grabbed so many more eyes from Major

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Speaker 3: League Baseball, as we get this one crazy momentum heading

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Speaker 3: into the season and just don't really want to blow

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Speaker 3: that momentum in a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: I hope not.

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Speaker 2: I hope we can keep baseball moving because there is

603
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Speaker 2: no reason to stop whatsoever. Nothing is wrong, nothing's broken.

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Speaker 2: But that's a story for another time. That's it for

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Speaker 2: this episode, guys, short, quick one. Not too much to

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Speaker 2: talk about. I know there's been Francisco Lindoor back in

607
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Speaker 2: spring training, you know, our fantas stuff, games, more Viento stuff,

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Speaker 2: which I think we'll address probably in the next episode,

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Speaker 2: but we want to keep this.

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Speaker 1: One short and sweet.

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Speaker 2: My internet in my AMMI is terrible, so I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna hold you guys, much longer. Thank you for listening,

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