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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one hundred,

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Speaker 1: tay in the show. To celebrate this huge milestone, we're

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Speaker 1: bringing on an expert paneled guests to discuss some of

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Speaker 1: the deer hunting world's most debated questions. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Sitka Gear. And today we are celebrating one hundred episodes

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Speaker 1: of the Wired Hunt podcast, and we've got a really

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Speaker 1: terrific show for you. We have what I think is

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Speaker 1: the most exciting lineup of guests we've ever had in

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Speaker 1: a single show. We're going to be discussing some super

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Speaker 1: interesting hunting topics, and we're going to be giving away

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Speaker 1: some great prizes, which I'll announce at the end. So,

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Speaker 1: like I said when Hunters episode, we're gonna do this

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Speaker 1: up big and very quickly. The plan for today's episode

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Speaker 1: is to put some of the most discussed and debated

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Speaker 1: deer hunting questions to a panel of guests, including three

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Speaker 1: of the country's most respected deer hunters and managers. Those

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Speaker 1: are Bill Winky, Dr. Grant Woods, and Lee Lakowski. Now

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Speaker 1: we've had all three of this gentleman on the show before,

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Speaker 1: but just in case you're not familiar. Bill Winky is

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Speaker 1: an outdoor writer and creator of Midwest white Tail dot

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Speaker 1: Com and the Midwest white Tail TV show. Dr. Grant

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Speaker 1: Woods is a wildlife biologist, consultant, writer and creator of

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Speaker 1: Growing Dear TV. And Lee Lakowski is the host of

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Speaker 1: the Outdoor Channels Crushed with Lee and Tiffany. So big

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Speaker 1: names exciting people to talk to here in a minute,

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Speaker 1: but before we kick off our panel discussion, I just

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Speaker 1: want to take a second to thank you, to thank

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Speaker 1: all of you who have been listening back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, two thousand and fifteen and now two thousand

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Speaker 1: and sixteen. You've been with us for one hundred episodes,

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Speaker 1: and every one of these episodes has been between I

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Speaker 1: think somewhere between an hour or two. So you've spent

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Speaker 1: hundreds hundreds of hours with me and Dan, and I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised and amaze that you're still here with us, but

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Speaker 1: I am certainly appreciative of it. Uh, I don't know

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Speaker 1: it's hard to put into words what this podcast has

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Speaker 1: kind of meant to me. And I think being able

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Speaker 1: to have this opportunity to talk to you all every week,

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Speaker 1: to share my experiences, my ups and downs, and then

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Speaker 1: get to speak to all these different great guests, learn

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Speaker 1: each other. To that Ha's just been pretty special. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Dan, how do you feel about this?

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Speaker 1: A hundred episodes down, that's a big number. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if I've recounted that high before. But I

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Speaker 1: can tell you one thing. Not only do I you know,

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Speaker 1: I love talking with the guests that we have on

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Speaker 1: you know, I really I really love just b essing

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Speaker 1: with you. And then the interaction apfter the shows are

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Speaker 1: over with listeners. I love emails from people, and as

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you do, and that any interaction on social media.

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Speaker 1: It's just I don't know, I think what it what

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Speaker 1: it comes down to is our love, the listeners, mind yours,

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Speaker 1: the love for the outdoors and hunting in general. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like this this podcast, in this community

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Speaker 1: is kind of just a great big party and celebration

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Speaker 1: before that love and for that shared passion we have

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Speaker 1: for doing all these things outdoors and chasing deer and

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Speaker 1: feeding our families with terrific wild organic venison. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't get any better than that, and we are

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Speaker 1: super blessed to be able to sit here and talk

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Speaker 1: about every week. Um, and I hope I think you

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Speaker 1: know everyone's been enjoying it along the way too, and

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Speaker 1: finding it as interesting and entertaining as I think you

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Speaker 1: and me have. Because if no one is, at least

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Speaker 1: you and we have been having fun, that's for sure,

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Speaker 1: right right. And we're fans, I mean we're not only

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Speaker 1: there's not really any difference between us and the listeners

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Speaker 1: other than we are the ones to ask the questions.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're just, you know, fans of hunting and

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Speaker 1: want to soak up this knowledge just like everybody else does. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are going to take a very brief break for

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Speaker 1: a word from our partners at SICA, and then we

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Speaker 1: Sick of Gear, and today we're going to be starting

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Speaker 1: our new Sick Stories series, and to kick us off,

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Speaker 1: we have a story from Don Wilson on this day.

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Speaker 1: Back in two thousand twelve. Down was headed out for

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Speaker 1: mid October hunt with modest expectations. But little did he

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Speaker 1: know there were much bigger things in store. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, I go to a spot that I've

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Speaker 1: you just feel like moving with cooler outside, which is nighttime.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense to me. Now, Lee, have you seen anything

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Speaker 1: surface of the Moon to the surface of the Earth.

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00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: All those factors have been studied pretty deeply and no

430
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: one can find a relationship. So some really good hunters

431
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: that I respect, Mark to rub In one of them,

432
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: and Jerry Martin at Bass pro Boy, I mean they

433
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: you know, they pretty much sept their deer hunting calendar

434
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: by the moon. And and I'm not saying those guys

435
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: don't have something figured out that scientists don't, but from

436
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: a scientific point of view, there is no relationship between

437
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: deer activity and the moon period. I know. I just

438
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of hate mail after that. One even

439
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't Brian me grant because I mean, for so many

440
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: years it never it never seemed like it made that

441
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: much difference, Like for me, I was looking at all

442
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: my camera pictures, daylight pictures, and he starts seeing some

443
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: of that before the full moon and after more day.

444
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: But that, you know, you don't know if that's just

445
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: coincidence or what. Because we're hunting, Like Bill said, I mean,

446
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate to be able to hunt most of the

447
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: days anyways, they don't really care if it's a full

448
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: moon or not. And it just you know, I've had

449
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: great hunts on some days and you know, um full

450
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: moons and terrible ones. But it seems like the deer

451
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: I not like you go out one day and there'll

452
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: be deer out everywhere around all I feel daylight on

453
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: the road place, yet like the very next day saying

454
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: weather conditions en thing, there's not a deer out at all.

455
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: But they all know it, it seems like. But yeah,

456
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: I can't really figure out what that is. Yeah, I

457
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: mean I've been I've been trying to find that switch

458
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: for I mean, once in a while we think we

459
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: can nail it, especially during the late season. But gosh,

460
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: it just seems like you have one day like like

461
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: at least said that it'll be wide open and the

462
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: next day it will be just dead and yeah, I haven't. Yeah,

463
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: y'all look your way bigger bucks than I do. So

464
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: I obviously can't explain it, but I M I'm puzzled

465
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: by it, and I think a lot of researchers are,

466
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: but unequivocally based on all this GPS and we're talking

467
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: now millions and millions of locations, Weather is a way

468
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: any way you slice it. Weather is a way bigger

469
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: the determinant a factor in in timing of deer activity

470
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: than the moon. Yeah, and it would be so convenient

471
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: if it was the moon, because then we could, you know,

472
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: plan ahead and you know, use a calendar. But weather, like,

473
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: it's Turkey season here in Missouri, and I didn't hunt

474
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: this morning, so well it's gonna be raining and I'm

475
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: gonna work today, and it was a pretty nice morning.

476
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: The weather man lied to me. Again, we can't get

477
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: it right twenty four hours out figuring out what's gonna

478
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: do in November. So but I think weather is absolutely

479
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: the key in in the moon. If there is any relationship,

480
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: it's a shallow secondary relationship. I don't want to hijack

481
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: your panel, Mark, but but Grant, do you think or

482
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: have you seen anything with barometric pressure with those data points.

483
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody wants to talk about that now instead

484
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: of the moon, it seems like, but uh, that might

485
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: be a correlation that it fits better. Yeah, I think

486
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: there is. Bill. The problem is, there's there's so many

487
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: weather factors. You know, we have wind speed and barometric pressure,

488
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: and some of them are related obviously with fronts moving through.

489
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: So the bottom line is we have deer with GPS

490
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: colors to where we used to And what we found

491
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: was what I think most hunters know, right before the

492
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: front and right after the front, or the prime times

493
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: to be out there, and and just personal observation, the

494
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: most daylight movement I've ever seen in my life. I

495
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: mean just to a point I still remembered. It was

496
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: just unreal. Was I happened to be doing research on

497
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 1: the coast of South Carolina foolishly when Hurricane Hugo came in,

498
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: being a Missouri boy, and you know, I didn't know

499
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: what a class for hurricane was, so I stayed there.

500
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: The local guys I it would be like a bad thunderstorm,

501
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: So I stayed there in the field. It was a

502
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: horrible mistake, and and uh, the day, the day and

503
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: a half before that hurricane come ashore, there was just

504
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: mature bucks in the daylight everywhere. I've never seen a

505
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: thing like it since. And and the braminter dropped really

506
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: really low, a record for that county as a matter

507
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: of fact, and dropped really low. And then clearly the

508
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: deer and dogs and squirrels everything I was observing since

509
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: that storm coming in, and it had more sense than

510
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: I did because they were preparing for it and I

511
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: was just out major and deer rubs. But um so

512
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: I think the more extream the front probably the more

513
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: daytime behavior you will see. Yeah, continuing like they're called

514
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: cold high pressure days like late seasons is always good.

515
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: But I think, like grand said, it's on the front

516
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: because you get that high pressure aptive. But then that

517
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: if you have like five or six, seven, eight days

518
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: of high pressure and cold weather, seemed like the deer

519
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: activity gets less and then then you get that change again,

520
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: come out, came out to do with low pressure and

521
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: heavier humidity, and boom they move again. It is seems

522
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: like just on the on the changes like on the

523
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: fronts on the beforehand after him is always the best.

524
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: I think the changes are more important during the late

525
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: season and they are earlier in the season because yeah,

526
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: we've been on a warm front. Sometimes it's been really cold.

527
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So continuing down this path of what maybe

528
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: gets dear to move and maybe time of year will

529
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: come into this next question, but we'll start with Bill.

530
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: When do you on your farms, when do you start

531
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: to see scrapes open up? And how focused are you

532
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: on hunting fresh sign My situation is by a little

533
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: bit different than than some people, but I'm sure they

534
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: start popping up sometime in September, maybe mid September here

535
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: we start to see the first fear along the field edges.

536
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: But I've never been a big sign hunter, right. I

537
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: tried it for a while and tried to make sense

538
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: of all of it, and I always got more and

539
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: more confused because the pieces didn't always add up to

540
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: make sense to me. So I started trying to figure

541
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: out how to hunt travel corridors and be really kind

542
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: of focusing on the path at least resistance for the

543
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: deer and funnels and train features and stuff like that

544
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: that seemed like they were a little bit more predictable

545
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: and and that's more of a rut sort of hunting strategies,

546
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: I think the early season. In late seasons, you know,

547
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: I think sign becomes a bigger part of that, and

548
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: especially fresh signed because of deer, it tend to be

549
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more patternable outside of the run. But

550
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean that's been kind of my thing. I'm not

551
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: a huge sign hunter, never really was, but if I

552
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: was going to focus in on sign, it would be

553
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: really early and probably late. So Grant, is there any

554
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: scientific fact or data to show that dear start scraping

555
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: at a certain time of year? No, I mean, as

556
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: as velvet comes off and testosterone levels increase, number of

557
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: scrapes or time spent scraping increases, and it and it

558
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: stays high until testosterone levels dropped a little a certain threshold,

559
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: which also triggers handler fall. But deer will use scrapes

560
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: year round, just to a much lesser extent. As far

561
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: as hunting sign, I joke all the time by my buddies,

562
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, like all up and say, man, I just

563
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: found this place. It's just covered with scats and tracks

564
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: and straight And I said, unless you're hunting with your

565
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: Brinkman spotlight, does that really matter? Because we're star typically

566
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: gonna be under feet more during the nighttime in a

567
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: in a hunted area, in the pressured area, and where

568
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: you find the maximum amount of sign is rarely where

569
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: dey are going to be during daylight hours. Uh So

570
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: hunting the maximum amount of sign may not be a

571
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: good plan. You know, late winter you've got to cut cornfield.

572
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: There's all kind of tracks and scat out there, and

573
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: it's probably some daylight activity. But I want to hunt,

574
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: to travel corridors to all that sign. I want to hunt.

575
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Uh two places they're seeing the maximum amount of sign?

576
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: What are you seeing on your farm's lead? I've same

577
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: as both of them. I mean it's wheny you mentioned that,

578
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: because it's like you know, grammaker point to make the

579
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: use grapestyle times the year. But are just checking cameras

580
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: this morning. I let's sign out with me. He was

581
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: taking the naps and put him in the ranger with me.

582
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: We're taking chaking cameras once turkeys right now. But you know,

583
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 1: because we have some of them still up on scrape.

584
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: There's there's one of the scrapes that just hits. It

585
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: rained last night, was I hit this morning? So you

586
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: see them scraping us of the stuff that you know,

587
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: all the times of the year, but I don't really

588
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: use them too much either, And like Grants, a lot

589
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: of this stuff is at night, especially like in October.

590
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: Once teas in November. You know that you never see

591
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: any of our big ones and paying any attention to

592
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: the scrapes unless maybe they're in between those and stead

593
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: were walking by one. But I cheuse him a lot

594
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: in October, just mostly for cameras. Um And just like

595
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: Bill and Grant said, I aren't really paid. I don't

596
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: like hunt over um or home and there's a new

597
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: scrape over there, rugs, I gotta go hunt over there.

598
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like we have our field that

599
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: scrapes that are just kind of community scrapes that every

600
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: book that comes in there hit them. So I got

601
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: cameras on a lot of them, and mostly just take

602
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: inventory of deer, you know, all that same deer. Here

603
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: is any new showing up, and I figured hunt them,

604
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, we've got to travel borders

605
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: and you know places that over the years you learned,

606
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, okay, this is to come out to this

607
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: feel this is the way they're usually coming in, and

608
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: you kind of know how to cut them a hotport

609
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 1: before before they get there. In a lot of cases,

610
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: they you know, it came out in good camera light

611
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I mostly use those scrapes stuff just

612
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: for camera to take inventory of. Here I was figure,

613
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: I know, I know how pretty good idea how to

614
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: kill them and where to hunt him at. I just

615
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: need an inventory of them. And it looks great for

616
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: that because, like rants aid, a lot of them, especially

617
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Octobers at night. But at least it gives me a

618
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: good indication of what my inventory is for camera use.

619
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: I use them a lot as far as cameras, but

620
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: not so much for hunting. How are they at all

621
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: for hunting? Yeah, that's consistent with what I do as

622
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: well and what we've heard from from a lot of

623
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: people really over the past couple of years on this podcast.

624
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: There seems to be this movement from you know, I

625
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: don't know if it was a decade ago or fifteen

626
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: years ago when scrapes were like all the rage and

627
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: the hunting media, and then more studies start to come

628
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: out showing that most of that use was after dark,

629
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: and now I think you're seeing more people either using

630
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: them primarily as as trail camera locations or I think

631
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people talk about those last couple

632
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: of days of October. There seems to be an uptick

633
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: maybe in daylight visits possibly, Um, but it seems like

634
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: this is this is pretty consistent with most of the

635
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: things we've been hearing. Now, I want to take uh

636
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: kind of want to pivot to a totally different aspect

637
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: of hunting. We've talked about some interesting tactic things here,

638
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: but I want to ask a slightly different kind of question,

639
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: kind of reset the tone here, and we'll start again

640
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: with Bill. Bill, why do you hunt? No boy? Um,

641
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I've just always loved it.

642
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: I guess that when I was a boy growing up. Um,

643
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: it just got in my blood. And I don't know

644
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: that there's a if there's a reason for it really

645
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: other than you know, some people would put on earth

646
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: to do certain things, and I feel like I was

647
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: put here to hunt. There's a couple other things. Think

648
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: that you know that that my nature pretty well. But UM,

649
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I never was able to

650
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: put any kind of uh, you know, words to that

651
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: to that question when people ask, It's just I was

652
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: born to do it, and I'm sure there's a lot

653
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: of people that feel that way. It just fit. When

654
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm outside hunting something, that's when I feel, you know,

655
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: the best. So I guess that's funny answer. I think

656
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people can relate. Grant, What do you

657
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: think why do you hunt? Yeah, I don't know if

658
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: I have good words either. I I am probably most

659
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: alive and alert in feeling the whole when I'm hunting,

660
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm acting as a predator. I guess, um,

661
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: my senses are tuned up and I'm probably running on

662
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: all eight cylinders there. And if you if I'm on

663
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: a couch watching golf, I'm I'm snapping half the time

664
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm not running on all eight cylinders. So

665
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: hunting hunting to me, and I enjoyed a meat. I

666
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: enjoyed a wild game. My family readily tracing the girls.

667
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: We consume what we harvest, and I mean it's not like, well,

668
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, that's the ethical thing to do. So I

669
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: guess I break up there and skin this dough out,

670
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: need it. I mean, we look forward to it. That's

671
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: that's what we primarily consume as wild game. So, and

672
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of it is my my father

673
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: was a hunter. It's just a culture that I feel

674
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: comfortable with. And the men I admired when I was

675
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: a young boy were hunters and outdoors men, and so again,

676
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: if we bill it just fits me, I would I

677
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: would be uncomfortable if you said, Grants, you're you have

678
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: to go down to the wine and play basketball all

679
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: November this year, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be very happy.

680
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: Hamstring and hls do I have in my body that

681
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: all becore? What about same thing? I think if you

682
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: ask anyone private the same thing, and I don't hear anything,

683
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: it was nothing learned or anything like that. I remember

684
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: as a kid, as far back as I can remember,

685
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: I had my grandfather was going to go geer hunting. Yeah,

686
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's two three or whatever age

687
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: you can remember remember just sitting by the window for

688
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: hours every day waiting for him to come back to

689
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: see if they if they had if they had shot

690
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: one of which is up in northern Minnesota, so they

691
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: rarely did. There were very few geer back then, ums

692
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: not so many now. But you know if somebody a

693
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: shot one, I mean I was out there has a

694
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: toy gun and and I was shooting and hunting ever

695
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: since I can remember. I mean, all my sisters and

696
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: relative and a manic kid is nuts gets soon as

697
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: I'd sleep in my uncle Mickey's room up and up

698
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: in northern Minnesota because it was it chased the east

699
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: and seeing the until a man I had my baby gun.

700
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: I was always like my grandpa said, you can shoot

701
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: any of the birds you want and out the purple

702
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Martins because you like those. Then they still stacked purple

703
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Martins that cord with the kind of barns and up

704
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: feasing so he wouldn't see him. But I just just

705
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: ever as I can remember, just hunting. Something like Bill

706
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: and Grant said, I mean, it's just where you feel

707
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: most alive. And you know, it's not something that you

708
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: learned or anything of that, it's just who you are. Um.

709
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: And I've always been that way. I always have, you know,

710
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: like I always tell people, as man, I can't even

711
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: my sisters have five sisters and some of them hunting out,

712
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: but then you know they never did when I was

713
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: growing up. And man, I just can't believe that all

714
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: you ever think about is hunting. You know, every job

715
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: that I had, the college I went to work classes

716
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: that said everything just surrounded around hunting first, and then okay,

717
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: I'll take these classes. I can go in the morning

718
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: and the evening, you know, and just worked everything around

719
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: and in the job that I had when I was

720
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: a chemical engineer and took it because he would I

721
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: get on shift and I could have seven days off

722
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 1: every month, and I could line up my two weeks

723
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 1: of vacation with my week off, and then they could

724
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: have the whole month in November off and in the

725
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: first two days about of December. There's always about that.

726
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: My sisters would always be a man. Yeah, as you

727
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: ever think about hunting, if you have a lot of

728
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: those started, you don't have something like that because I

729
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: could never be us. That can never be you know, unhappy.

730
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking ahead, Okay, what this this season that's

731
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: coming up. You're always always excited about something, you know. Now,

732
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, just shid hunting just kind of wrapped up

733
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: with shed hunting. But now you know, okay, now you

734
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: got turkey hunting. But you know, I'm still looking at

735
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: all the pictures, you know, the deer just starting to

736
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: get big tennis balls on their head. You started looking

737
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: by may you know, I know half the deer already

738
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: just from their browd times and stuff. So you're always

739
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: excited about you know, looking forward to it. And it's

740
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: it's just a way of life. I mean, it's it's

741
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: it's it's been the most important thing to me ever

742
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, and not something we learned

743
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: or anything. It just it was to just happen that way. Yeah,

744
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: same here. I I I don't know. It's hard for

745
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: me to tell my wife why I love hunting so

746
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: much because she's not a hunter. So I just have

747
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: to tell her trust me. Got just trust. So changing

748
00:37:53,640 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: changing gears back to maybe managing property or a way

749
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: to keep um deer on the property that you hunt,

750
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: grant in your opinion, what is the single best way

751
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: to keep a mature buck on a property that maybe

752
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: you control? Oh well, I failed at that. If you

753
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: watch the show, We've had several of our prime hitlist

754
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: bucks tagged by neighbors lately. So maybe a Bill and

755
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: League can tell me with this one. I'm not sure,

756
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: but of course deer, you know, deer want food, cover, water,

757
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: and and and I think maybe there's some misunderstanding. The

758
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: biggest motivation for deer is not the rut or food.

759
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: It's survival. So fear is our biggest motivator. And so

760
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: I think sanctuaries are probably the easiest tool. You don't

761
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: really have to do anything, you know, just let a

762
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: pasture grow up or something get weedy, or you know,

763
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: whatever it is, or just just stay out of an area.

764
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: Just stay out of an area, and deer will adapt

765
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: to that being a safety zone. And even if you're,

766
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, a guy hunting eighty acres and it seems like,

767
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: how could I possibly do that? But if if you

768
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: if you've got it in you, you know, flag off

769
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: twenty acres millions say we're just not going in there,

770
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: and hopefully you'd locate that twenty acres strategically. But you'll

771
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: be shocked at how deer will use that. And and

772
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: I'll just share, not to borrow in the science, but

773
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: a brief thing to colleagues of mine do some work

774
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: down in Georgia and where coyotes are really a problem

775
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: right now, And they took four areas and put a

776
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: kyote proof fence around it, buried in the ground of

777
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: foot and up four ft tall, and it serminated all

778
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: the coyotes that happened to be in those disclosures when

779
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: they finished them and had a bunch of GPS collar

780
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: deer in the area. And it was amazing even to me,

781
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: how quickly dear since that was an area of safety,

782
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: that that there were no deer, no coyotes in there,

783
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: and centered their home range and even lived the majority

784
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: of time inside those hundred acre fences. And that's just

785
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: an illustration of how important it is security cover or

786
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: the need to survive for deer. So I think a

787
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: lot of people hunt every acre their property, and if

788
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: they would carve off a couple of sancs wharies, they

789
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: could probably do a lot better and hunt the edges,

790
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 1: sanctuaries or travel corridors coming out of them and see

791
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: some daylight activity just because deer feel secure. What do

792
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: you think about that one, Bill Well, I think that

793
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: Grant hit the a really good point that I'll elaborate

794
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: on real quick. But if you have a big property,

795
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: you don't need sanctuaries as much as you do if

796
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: you have a small property, and the people who are

797
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: the least likely to want to have one of the

798
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: ones who need it the most. You know, if you

799
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: know the situation of somebody would stay a thousand acres

800
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: and they hunt the whole season. There's probably parts of

801
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: that property that because the wind swirls or for one

802
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: reason or another, they just don't hunt there. It might

803
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: be twos or whatever it is. There's probably going to

804
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: be places that they rarely get to. Whereas if you've

805
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: got the guy with the smaller piece of property, he

806
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: feels like he has to have fans in every part

807
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: of it or he's going to burn them. Each stand out.

808
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: But it's by concentrating his energies into a smaller area

809
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: that that pushes the deer out. So it's just the

810
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: opposite of what most people think. You're smaller, the property

811
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: is a more important. They aren't. What about you, Lee, Um, yeah,

812
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean this this one is a little bit, a

813
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: little bit different. You know. I noticed that, Like we

814
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: have a feeder out at Linda's at Tookey's mom's house,

815
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: right in front of her yard, in front of our

816
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: fifty yards from our from our front door, and you know,

817
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: you know it's right away when we put it there.

818
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: You get some deer out there in two in the morning,

819
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: or somebody you walk by the window, you know, deal

820
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: with run and now it's just been five or six years.

821
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, you can she can drive in, we can

822
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: drive our cars and they in the bucks lane right

823
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: or yard by it. They don't pay attention to it.

824
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, how many of them are out in daylight

825
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: and we can let our dogs out and they know

826
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: gou cloth the bathroom. They know not to shape deer

827
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: deer don't you know, they move away from the feed

828
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: or other but then they come right back to it.

829
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: It's amazing the difference that you've see. And it's no

830
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: different really than deer in suburbs or anything else. It's

831
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: not that they're they don't get any human intrusion. There's

832
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: humans all all the time time. I think it's just

833
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: more that they have, you know, human intrusion all the time,

834
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: and they never bothered them, so they get to be

835
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, they get to be used to it. And

836
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, and we never never set up our farms

837
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: that way or anything. But I just started thinking about

838
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: it and I was like, I think that's why we

839
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: have uh so much success of like shooting a lot

840
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: of our old deer, you know, in broad daylight, not

841
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: being right at the end, and a lot of them

842
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: right on our fields because at the grant's point are

843
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: it went to the view have a thing for and said, yeah,

844
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: or timber, but like the only time I really go

845
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: in there is shed season, and then of course you've

846
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: got nine months of you know, not really being in

847
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: there um for him to settle back down from that.

848
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: But on the on the flip side of that, I

849
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: mean our fields almost every day, you know, checking camera,

850
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: the checking the field, their plant numbers, seeing how they're

851
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: doing our springs whatever. And then a lot of people

852
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: can't do that right for us, and we live right

853
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: here in the twelve months of the year and then

854
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: and then east one of our fields, you know, at

855
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: least twice a week, you know, whenever we're home them

856
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: checking cameras or checking the fields or doing whatever. And

857
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: then when we get their hunting season. For fortunate, you

858
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: know that we have you know, quite a few farms

859
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: that we hunt, so it's not like I have to

860
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: pound any one of them, so you kind of hunt

861
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: them in the same way, you know, like twice a

862
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: week you're in there, and so over a twelve months period,

863
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: our deer just it never changes for them. And I

864
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of our success we have

865
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: in our fields. Um is that because even us going

866
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: in and going out, even though we can't get in

867
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 1: there and get out all the time, like with without

868
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing you, they're used to us being in there,

869
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: and they've run to the edge of the woods and

870
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: then they come right back out. And so to Grant's point,

871
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: our our woods are basically are sanctuary. Not that we

872
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: don't have some We have, you know, quite a few

873
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: stands that are up step for rut and all that stuff,

874
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: but a lot of when we get a new farm,

875
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: they'll take me two or three years to figure out

876
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: where to get a stand in the timber, because it

877
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: just takes those years of shed hunting. Okay, where are

878
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: the doughs bedding? Where can I get I don't want

879
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: the dose to bed around on top of me. Then

880
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: I can't get out. But every time you go in there,

881
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: even if you don't see anything, it's like you're putting

882
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: your sent down there. Even if you didn't see a deer,

883
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: I think, Okay, I got in and I got out clean.

884
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: But the next year that walks by that six hours

885
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: later knows you've been there. So you really can never

886
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: get in and out clean. So I said, not that

887
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: we don't go, you know, in there and during the

888
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: ruts and stuff, because we do, but ent of our

889
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: deer with shootings on the steel that people will be like, man,

890
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: you shoot all you do on the edge of the field. Yep.

891
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: Because and part of that is dus is I have

892
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: a time to you can all catch them in those

893
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: and not necessarily big fields, but we have so many

894
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: little food clots that we dozed in and stuff that

895
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: are in the middle of a timber that are secluded something.

896
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: The deer feel comfortable in those. But I just said

897
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: I would wait him out, you know, I'll get one

898
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: of our big ones in those fields. And we always do.

899
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of it is, you know,

900
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: we used to write articles and he's talk about, hey,

901
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: no pressure, keep that pressure off. But to me, it

902
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: seems like not necessarily less pressure, but more consistent pressure

903
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: throughout the entire year. The deer know me. I mean,

904
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: they know my truck, they know my rangers, and I

905
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: go in there. It's the cameras chuck stuff. A lot

906
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: of times the deer runder the edge of the field

907
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: and they'll stand there and feed. They don't even run

908
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: out of the field while I'm there and then come back.

909
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: And then a lot of times I'm putting out you know,

910
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: minerals or from in the summertime. Here we can run

911
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: feeders and and I do, and not necessary not to

912
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: feed deer. I mean, all of my feeders are on

913
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: food plot, so there's plenty of food in them. But

914
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: a lot of times again just for cameras to get

915
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: an inventory of deer, like on a feedter, have some

916
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: corn up with some sugar, be crush or something in

917
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: there that you know that they really like. So they'll

918
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: come over seems like every night and they take a

919
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: few bites of it before they go back on to

920
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: the field. That that make me take good inventory of it.

921
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: But even when I'm there, you know, I'm checking out,

922
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: check this time, or make sure it works, and it's

923
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: it's a corner and stuff. So they you look at

924
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: your cameras and five minutes after you're gone, dere around

925
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: if you check, if you hit the button on it

926
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: and spun the feeder or whatever, and you know, so

927
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: we're just around them all and they get used to

928
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: us being there in the fields. But now in the

929
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: timbers at least if they can run into the edge

930
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: of the timber. There'll just stay right there and come

931
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: back out because they're going into the timber, and then

932
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: they can start running out onto our neighbors. And they've

933
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: been very surprised. And over the years, I mean, we

934
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: lose very few deer to neighbors, and we've been losing

935
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: a lot of them the h D lately, but not

936
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: to neighbors. Sometimes you'll lose your two or three year

937
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: olds of this young once. Once we get them past

938
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: like the fourth they've become so much more homebodies here,

939
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, four and five, we hardly ever lose them.

940
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: And but we try to keep you know, lots of

941
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: food and lots of cover, and we just started working

942
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: on we've been working on that really a lot over

943
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: the past few years of gains cutting and making sure

944
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: I guess you know, stick stick timber and there, you know,

945
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: lots of downfalls and tree tops and you get the

946
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: sunlight in there and grow up the bottom where they've

947
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: got security covering there. But we just try to stay

948
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: out of it. All of our timber for the for

949
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: the most part, and just the fields they're used to

950
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: us being there when we're going into hunt out hunt.

951
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, they see you and they run off,

952
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: but then they just come back out and it's not

953
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: like I like we used to, you know, going in

954
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: the timber ok bag act have a perfect you know,

955
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: get in and get out scenario and was spooking anything

956
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: and walk the creek bottoms and all that kind of stuff.

957
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: When I've spent all year in those fields, I don't

958
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: need to do that. So it's really become you know,

959
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: you see like on Linda's feeder, how you how you

960
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: notice that you know, at first deer would never come

961
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: in there, And now we we love going over. We

962
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: don't hunt anywhere around her house because we just love

963
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: seeing deer, say as much as we do hunting them.

964
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: You just see a hundred and seventy and deer laying

965
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: in her yard. You can drive in with your car

966
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: and they'll stay there, and you know, you can walk

967
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: in the house. They might get up and move a

968
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: little bit, but they're just just like you know, deer

969
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: in the suburbs that live in people's yards, and they're

970
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: bettered in their driveways and the things that you're used

971
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: to people being there. And I think that's really why

972
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of success on our food bots

973
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: up that were in there a lot, and they're used

974
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: to us being in there, so even going in and out,

975
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: it's not moving them onto your neighbors. But it's consistent

976
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: pressure over twelve months of the year. It's not like

977
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: you're totally out of there and you order Wisconsin. You know,

978
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: when the gun season opens, day two is definitely different

979
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: than day one. That you bet you know, ten months

980
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: of nobody in a lot of those places and all

981
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden you've got a thousand people and that

982
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: they know something is different for our deer. I thank

983
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: you go in there in July. We're going there in November.

984
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: The deer don't all the difference. It's always the same.

985
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: So that's what what I've been seeing on our places

986
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: is that just our timber is basically are sanctuary and

987
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: more not necessarily pressure, but more present during over the

988
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: whole twelve month period where it never changes and it's

989
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: worth great for us. And that's I'm not sure if

990
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: that's exactly why, but that's my theory on why we're

991
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: getting these you know, five and six year old deer

992
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: out at three in the afternoon. You know, with you're

993
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: not someone just that last light like they used to,

994
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: but they're used to us being there twelve months of

995
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: the year, so it's not freaking them out when we're

996
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: going in out and hunting those fields. So yeah, that's

997
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: that's pretty It's very interesting and so unique compared to

998
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: what we hear in a lot of different instances. And

999
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: I want to give you a fault question on that,

1000
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: but first I believe Bill, you did need to drop

1001
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: off now right, I'm gonna drop in about five minutes,

1002
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: so I guess you've got one one more for me.

1003
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: I'll hit that and when i'm gonna, I'm gonna have

1004
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 1: to get going perfect. Well, then I'm gonna I'm gonna

1005
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: bring this to you because you know, Lee, the circumstances

1006
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: you line you laid out there were really interesting, and

1007
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned that before when we talk to you a

1008
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: year or so ago, and a lot of people like

1009
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: questions about this, and they're wondering, you know, does this

1010
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: work in other places? Could this work on my kind

1011
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: of place? And I'm curious to to you, Bill, now

1012
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: hearing you know what Lee described that works in his

1013
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: type of situation. Have you seen anything like that happened

1014
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: where you hunt? Could you see this working in other

1015
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: situations too well. I think that, uh, I mean, we

1016
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: do take advantage of the same type of behaviors slightly differently.

1017
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: There's a lot of houses around my hunting area, and

1018
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: I think that I pulled it up on the map

1019
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: one time and there's twelve houses that make contact with

1020
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: the property that I hunt from different corners and sides

1021
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: and across the road, and you know, whatever the case

1022
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: may be, there's a lot of human activity and that's

1023
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: very typical, non threatening human activity that the deer used

1024
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: to So I do take advantage of that, especially to

1025
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: and from my tree stands and trying to find places

1026
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: to park. The the situation that we have is is,

1027
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, on a still morning, let's say, and then

1028
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: run a gravel road and you pull down that gravel

1029
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: road and you park. I mean, every deer within a

1030
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: quarter of a mile or maybe even further heard the

1031
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: rocks trunching under your tires. They know you stopped. Um,

1032
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: they're just waiting for the next you know, foot to drop. Basically,

1033
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: they know something's up. But if you pull into somebody's driveway,

1034
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: even if the dog starts barking and you slam a

1035
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: couple of doors. They don't even lift their heads up

1036
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: and look because they're used to normal human activity there.

1037
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: So I do a lot of park in a lot

1038
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: of my neighbor's driveways. Um if they're out cutting firewood

1039
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, I'll drive, you know,

1040
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: right back in there and make some noise and you know,

1041
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: do my scouting or whatever. I mean. I take full

1042
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: advantage of the normal human activity because the deer are

1043
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: used to that as being non threatening. Um. So that's

1044
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: really identical to what least been seeing. Our deer aren't

1045
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: probably quite as um um used to that throughout the year,

1046
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: is maybe what leads are because I'm not sure what

1047
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm out on the farm, probably quite as much as

1048
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: what he is. But the the other thing that I

1049
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: will agree with him on is I'm a fringe hunter.

1050
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: And I get criticized by the people that come to

1051
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: our website and watch our videos all the time about

1052
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: you know how call me out back in the timber

1053
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: in the mornings and you know, and and I'll be

1054
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: hunting a certain deer and they'll all have, you know,

1055
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: a lot of different reasons why I'm not killing him,

1056
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: but usually it centers around the fact that I'm not

1057
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: being aggressive enough, and we could go on and on

1058
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: about that, and I don't want to tie up your

1059
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: whole your whole program with that topic. But um, when

1060
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: it seems like I've learned the hard way is if

1061
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: you stick to the fringes and you're consistent with that

1062
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: style of hunting, you may not have those really awesome days,

1063
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: but you're not in there educating a bunch of deer either.

1064
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: And and uh, you know you're gonna have those rout

1065
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: days back in the middle of the timber someplace where

1066
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: it seems like every buck is on his feet running

1067
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: past to you. And yeah, that's great, But for every

1068
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: one of those, it seems like you have, you know,

1069
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: two or three days where you try to pull it

1070
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: off and all you do is you you bust a

1071
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: few deer, or like Li says, they pick up your

1072
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: scent on the ground, and now there's two of us,

1073
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, with the camera going in as well, so

1074
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: now you've got twice as much spent on the ground. Um,

1075
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: it's just really hard to get away with that type

1076
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: of hunting. But if you can hunt the fringes, you know,

1077
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: brush defence lines between two patches of timber and stuff

1078
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: like that where it's kind of surgical you can get

1079
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: in and out fairly clean. Um. I just feel like

1080
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: you just put your time in, like Li said, and

1081
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: over the courses of you know, a period of week,

1082
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: you know you end up being successful. But again, you know,

1083
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: we don't really hunt in the real world either. Um,

1084
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: the guy that's got a weekend, you know, a couple

1085
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: of weekends to hunt and maybe you know, four or

1086
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: five days a vacation during the ruts, you know, it

1087
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: might make more sense for him to dive right in

1088
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: because you know the fact that he's right deer may

1089
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: not be as big of a deal as what it

1090
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: is for us, because you know, we can still hunt

1091
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: that deer a week later where that guy is going

1092
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: to be back at work or whatever. So anyway, that's

1093
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: that's my thought. I don't have the deer condition quite

1094
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: quite as well as as what Lee does, but I

1095
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: do believe in what he's saying. Awesome, well, Bill, thank

1096
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: you for joining us and for for making this work

1097
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: with her schedule. Yeah, my my pleasure and good luck

1098
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: guys with the rest of the session here. And I'd

1099
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: love to be able to listen to what you have

1100
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: to say, so when when, when this thing airs, I'll

1101
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: pull up the rest of it and listen to it. Yeah,

1102
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: and these these are the softballs, Grant at least, so

1103
00:53:51,640 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: now you guys get the tough stuff about so So,

1104
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: continuing on that question, though, I just want to get

1105
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: your thoughts, Grant. You know you hunt, Bill and Lee

1106
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: are both primarily hunting in Iowa. You're down in Missouri.

1107
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: Do you think this idea of of consistently conditioning you're

1108
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: dear to a certain level of pressure. Can that work

1109
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: in other states other than kind of this this Iowa

1110
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: slightly different microcosm than the rest of maybe the rest

1111
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: of the country in the northeast or the south. Can

1112
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: that happen there too? Or is that unique? I think

1113
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: it can. I'm not sure it does. I mean, you know,

1114
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm in the southern os Arcs and we kind of

1115
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: take it a step further. At least a lot of

1116
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: my neighbors here, if it's brown, it's down, and they

1117
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: add that year round part to it. So I think

1118
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: my dear kind of condition to year round threats. It's

1119
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: kind of like a war zone here literally. Uh so, uh,

1120
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: we're on the property, you know, I'm I love food plots,

1121
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: love joke cameras up dry fire. We're on the property

1122
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: every single week, and and it's still after owning the

1123
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: property for fourteen years. It's a pretty sizable property. So

1124
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: you think we get some dear condition to it. And

1125
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: if me or an employer or a wife or kids

1126
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 1: see a deer on the property, I mean literally see

1127
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: a deer, it's still conversation at supper. So our deer

1128
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: are living fear and it's a good thing. I'm known

1129
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: for management and food plots versus being a big buck

1130
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: killer because I couldn't do it here. I killed a

1131
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: five year old last year and it was the first

1132
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: time I'd ever seen that dear stepping true camera pictures.

1133
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: I knew him well, but I've never seen him until

1134
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: he made a mistake and stepped out. So I think conditioning.

1135
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: I think everyone's right here. It's just conditioning can go

1136
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: two ways. It can be positive or negative, and you

1137
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: can condition dear to you know, feeders it. Let's take

1138
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: this one step further. Really recently, like three years ago, Georgia,

1139
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: State of Georgia legalized feeding in a big part of

1140
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: the state, it being illegal before and they legalized it.

1141
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: So it was so modern that a lot of guys

1142
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: were able to step some really good research and they

1143
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: looked at harvest success per hour, how many hours it

1144
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: took for the average unit to tag a buck before

1145
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: legalized feeding, during the first year of legalized baiting or feeding,

1146
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: and then year two and three after legalized feeding baiting,

1147
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: and it was pretty predictable. So the first year of

1148
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: legalized feed the deer hasn't been in conditioned to avoid them,

1149
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: and harvest rates went up. Everyone's like, oh, my guys,

1150
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: this is we finally can you know do all other

1151
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: states doing? But year two and three, especially mature deer,

1152
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: they learned to associate those feed sites with danger if

1153
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: you're hunting over them, and they absolutely start avoiding them

1154
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: in daylight hours. So here I am. It's in Missouri.

1155
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: It's illegal to to have any kind of feed out

1156
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: during deer season if you hunt the area. And several

1157
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: of my neighbors quite candily have been busted for hunting

1158
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: over bait and they can whip me. I can spend

1159
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: my kids college at ocation on making food plots, and

1160
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: my neighbor can buy five bags of corn and because

1161
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: there's not enough baiting in the area for dear to

1162
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: really associate that with danger. It's an extremely effective tool.

1163
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: And I have begged the state either start patrolling that

1164
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: more or make it legal for everyone, make it a

1165
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: level playing field, because any anybody can go, you know,

1166
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: right during season, go by a hundred dollars or less

1167
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: of corn and literally slaughter deer because they're not conditioned

1168
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: to avoid that during daylight. Don't don't have me fear

1169
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: with it yet, because it's such a somewhat rare event

1170
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: versus states that have legalized feeding those deer to get

1171
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: pretty educated pretty quick. Boy, if I go there in daylight,

1172
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: I hear thunder really loud, Mama flops over, notne move anymore.

1173
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: Not a good thing. So I think deer very conditional,

1174
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: and it just depends on what the circumstances are whether

1175
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: it's a positive or negative for the hunters. So the

1176
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: next question that I have is kind of in regards

1177
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: to concentrating deer into a specific area. Now, a lot

1178
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: of people there's kind of a trend for those people

1179
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: who hunt on their own property and are able to

1180
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: manage a specific piece of property. Um, you know, the

1181
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: whole goal is to manage a property to hold a

1182
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: healthy herd, and typically that means more numbers on a

1183
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: per acre let's say, dear per acre than an unmanaged property.

1184
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna pass this to grant To to ask

1185
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: the question, do you feel that sickness or disease is

1186
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: more likely to spread on a managed property solely based

1187
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: off deer numbers. I've really been in some deep conversations

1188
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: with some world leading epidemiologists or guys that stay disease lately.

1189
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: I think we're all kind of hitting around the edge

1190
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: of c w D and what's gonna happen here and

1191
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: have some great discussions, and you know, there's a pros

1192
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: and the cons and I'm a thirty thousand foot view guys.

1193
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: So in so of these discussions, I've pointed out that

1194
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: the largest known cases or places where we have the

1195
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: highest incident rate of CWD are in southern Wyomi with

1196
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: mule deer, specifically mule deer, but mule deer and elk

1197
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: On National Force, where for decades and decades it's been

1198
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: illegal and culturally unacceptable to put out any type of

1199
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: mental bait, and yet CWD is the most rampant there

1200
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: may of fact in one mule deer heard it's decreasing

1201
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: by nineteen percent a year. Then take a rocket scientist

1202
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: to figure out that in our lifetime. Soon there'll be

1203
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: no mule deer in that area. By the way, the

1204
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: number one cause of death isn't actually the CTBD taken down,

1205
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: but as they become slightly showing external signs of CBD,

1206
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: mountain lions wipe them out. Predators are so keen at

1207
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: picking up any sign that that deer is weak or

1208
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: unable to avoid predation, and and these mountain lines are

1209
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: tipping over mule deer out there like crazy, and you know,

1210
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: they find the carcass and do the testing and and

1211
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: they're almost a hundrecent positive CWD. So concentrating deer with

1212
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: food plots or even feed or minerals to date has

1213
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: not been positively shown to increase the spread of CTBD.

1214
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: It seems like it might, because you're just like, you know,

1215
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: the kids with the dirty toy at kindergarten, and and

1216
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, one kid sobbers on the fire truck and

1217
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: Johnny picks up and then he gets sick too. So

1218
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: it seems likely but hasn't been proven. On the other hand,

1219
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: that the biggest body weights and the healthiest deer and

1220
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: the in the biggest antlers and the highest fond production.

1221
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: Any way you want to maas your deer herd health

1222
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: come off managed properties. Whether that's Southern, typically it's the

1223
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: dividing lines kind of a Southern Midwestern things. So if

1224
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: it's Southern, somebody's managing it or playing food pots to

1225
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: prescribe for our weather, or if it's you know where

1226
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: Lee and Bill lived in the whole places of food pot.

1227
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: Basically amainst Aggfield's commercial agg is feeding a deer herd,

1228
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: and those zeros certainly concentrated in those areas. So our

1229
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: biggest body weights, the highest fond recruitment rates, the largest

1230
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: and our development are coming from managed properties. It's pretty

1231
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:26,479
Speaker 1: hard to argue that that's bad. Is that a double

1232
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: edged sword? Though? I mean, if if diseases, if disease

1233
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: can be spread through higher herd numbers, but also at

1234
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: the same time you can have a healthy herd, is

1235
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: that kind of a double edged sword. Well, let's backed

1236
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: up again if we're talking CTBD, because the only disease

1237
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: that really matters is CWD e h D. Epics of

1238
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: the Kimragi disease is certainly hurt some people. In two

1239
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve, we lost it. We do real intense

1240
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: survey work here and we lost a third of our

1241
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: deer herd. I got my wife is a huge shed hunter,

1242
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: and got the dog trained for sheds whatnot. And I

1243
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: got so sick of her bringing in school so I

1244
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: would that year I was just so tired of. Normally

1245
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: I love it as she finds the occasional school and

1246
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: certainly applaud all the shed antlers she finds. But that

1247
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: year I got so tired of. You know, there's Bernie,

1248
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: there's Big Rack eight, there's whoever. She she drug in

1249
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: a truckload of skulls that year, which is unfortunate. Uh,

1250
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: But that disease comes and goes. And we've known about

1251
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: it for over five decades or some new strains out

1252
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: there basically brought in from ticks off at xotic pets

1253
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: carrying those carriers. So that's pretty trackable. CTBD is a

1254
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: big unknown. And and in Dakotas and in South Dakota,

1255
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: the deer herd state deer coordinator out there was a

1256
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: meeting with him somewhat recently and he was talking about

1257
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: Wisconsin having a goal of reducing deer down to thirty

1258
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: deer per square mile, trying to slow to spread the CWD,

1259
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: and he just overtly laughed in the meeting and says,

1260
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: guysh guys, in the western part of our state, we

1261
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: dream of getting up to ten deer for square mile.

1262
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: That's our goal to finally build our population up to

1263
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: ten deer square mile. And that's also currently where we

1264
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: have the highest and fastest spread to c w D.

1265
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: So it doesn't look like it's very density dependent. Again,

1266
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: this is this is real world evidence, not you know,

1267
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: textbook stuff. This is where the rubber hits the road.

1268
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: So the bottom line is there's so many unknowns for

1269
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: people to be making big claims about this right now.

1270
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: Is just you know, I'll go on record saying this

1271
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: is unfounded. We just don't know. There's so many unknowns

1272
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: that it's unfounded and spooky. It's I live in the

1273
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: county that borders Arkansas, and two months ago Arkansas was

1274
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: c w D free. Now I believe they've identified over

1275
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: a one positive c WD deer and a relatively small area.

1276
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: They went from not on the radar to potentially a

1277
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: hotter spot than Wisconsin and so states that are going

1278
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: around saying well, we don't have much promise D or

1279
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: we don't know. I would challenge them to look at

1280
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: their testing because if you don't test, you won't know,

1281
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: you won't find an intensity of testing has a huge,

1282
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: huge factor of of what you're gonna find out there.

1283
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: Lead do you on the farms that you hunt, do

1284
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: you have any experience with c w D or any

1285
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: other sickness? Um not c w D. That's you know,

1286
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: I think of just the last a couple of years

1287
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: is like the first cases of c w D even

1288
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: in Iowa that I've heard of, I think was just

1289
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. And they haven't, you know,

1290
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: down in any drastic against it like they did in Wisconsin.

1291
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: They know this eradicate in the whole county. Who are

1292
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: at the stuff in that I think, as I've been

1293
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: turned to me, that didn't make a whole lot of

1294
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: stan um. I'm not sure that it's just like granted,

1295
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's high density areas or anything like

1296
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: that that that cause it. So we're wiping out your

1297
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: gear herds that you know because of a coup cases

1298
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: of CWD just didn't make that much sense to me.

1299
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: And I'm glad we haven't done they haven't done that

1300
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: here in Iowa. But you know, we've had h D

1301
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: now in the past, you know, three of the last

1302
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: four years, but you know that's kind of drought dependent,

1303
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: and those were you know, we had this situation. You know,

1304
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: last year. I thought it was gonna be great. We

1305
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: had so much rain all early and into and into

1306
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: the summer, and I thought, Okay, it's gonna be great,

1307
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know, d h D again this year,

1308
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: and then Elson stopped raining in July and and and

1309
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,959
Speaker 1: never rained again, almost fifty days all the way through.

1310
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: And there we had it again. I mean, with your

1311
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: grant on the on the I'm just sitting outside now,

1312
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the pile of skulls I have here

1313
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: and there, and I don't even pick them up anymore.

1314
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: There's so many of them. I just I leave them

1315
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: and I'm just say, well, maybe up the next year,

1316
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't want to pick up in

1317
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: the green skulls anyway. We have to get a Salvis

1318
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: take and I do on some of them, you know,

1319
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 1: from our game ward and if they're you know, ones

1320
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: that are specific deer that have been chasing or a

1321
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: little big ones or somebody. Most of them. I don't

1322
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: even bother him up any optics next year into it,

1323
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: but I'm literally hundreds. I mean, we we've lost a

1324
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: lot of deer. D Like, if you were to ask

1325
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: me five or seven years ago, how many five year

1326
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: old plus tear do you think you have on your farms?

1327
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: It's probably fifty to seventy I mean all of our farms.

1328
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we're getting too many because you know, you're

1329
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: just you know, that's where I had a lot of

1330
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: my friends stuff coming in hunting, because we had like

1331
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: a five six year old deer that was, you know,

1332
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: not a great genetic deer. So you know, you're hunting

1333
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: other ones, and then just so many of them stack

1334
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: and then they start pushing other good younger deer opposite.

1335
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: It's like, man, how do we even get rid of

1336
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: these things? Pretty soon the farm is filled with you know,

1337
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: crappy genetic you know, old deer moving everything else off.

1338
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: So we had to start bringing everybody's in it, and

1339
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: they else. You shoot some of those. But now this year,

1340
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: I'll bet you I can count on one hand almore.

1341
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean maybe a little more than that, but maybe

1342
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: ten ten deer that I figure over five years old

1343
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: this year. So I mean it's not them, it's not

1344
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: the way down. You know, still a lot of deer.

1345
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: You know. I'll go out and you know that this

1346
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: past winter and I see a hundred deer in the field,

1347
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, big corn field that we had standing stale

1348
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. They'd still be thirty bucks out there, but

1349
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: maybe one four year old and some threes and two

1350
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: all young deer and our old ones are just gone. Um,

1351
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: so that h D is really taking this tool. But

1352
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not an expert on it. Maybe Brant

1353
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 1: can talk about it more. But my understanding it's from

1354
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: a midge that you know, when they could they get

1355
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: bitten by and especially when it's dry. You know, all

1356
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: of our creek beds and our ponds lower way down

1357
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: and got that explode. We have muddy bottom creeks here,

1358
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,919
Speaker 1: and it's my understanding that they lay in that mud

1359
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: that makes some cool, you know, and the summer like that,

1360
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: and that's where that stagnant waters that when they thread

1361
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: stop flowing, that's where you know the mostitos and midges

1362
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: and everything like that. Hats, so they're just more susceptible

1363
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: to it. But you know, we have had you know,

1364
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: three of the last four years have been drought years,

1365
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: at least into the late season when they get effect

1366
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: good by it. So I'm assuming that's what it is,

1367
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: more weather dependence and deer numbers or anything like that,

1368
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: because our dear numbers still are still still a lot

1369
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: of beer. But just it seems like our older bucks

1370
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: and and you see them, that's not like it's affecting

1371
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: older bucks. I'm assuming that that bucks are just staying

1372
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: bachelor groups of one gets it, you know, like we

1373
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: can wipe out all of them, but they're just such

1374
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: a smaller percentage of all the deer. Like and if

1375
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: you wiped out, okay, you can take fifty mature bucks

1376
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: and fifty dolls. Now you don't even notice it in

1377
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: the dough numbers. So I think, maybe just notice it more.

1378
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: But maybe Grant can expand on that more because I'm still,

1379
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, tending my head against the wall over here.

1380
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: What I can do about it. It doesn't seem there's

1381
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: a lot you can do better than maybe spraying for

1382
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 1: those midget or something. But then you've got two hundred

1383
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: miles the creek bottoms on your farms, and how do

1384
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: they do it? I think you're rightly. I agree with

1385
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: everything you said. I'll add and I want to very

1386
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: much clarify. I'll do it probably beginning middle new And

1387
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: this is is a theory, warning theory, but several of

1388
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: us scientists kind of agree with it. So this is

1389
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: a minute. It doesn't go dear to deer. It has

1390
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: to go through it actually a biting fly and the

1391
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: fly bites a deer. If you look at the microscope,

1392
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: it's like a horror Movie's got these giant teeth for

1393
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: its body size, and you know, and it bites an

1394
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: affected deer and then it bites another deer and some

1395
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: of that infections on its teeth, so it gives it

1396
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: an injection basically. So it's going dear to deer through

1397
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: these boding flies and a drought deer going through the

1398
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: limited water supplies. So that's where the flies are. They

1399
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: lay their eggs in the mud. As the water level

1400
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: goes down, there's more breeding habitat for these flies. And

1401
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: you could spray, but no one can cover all the

1402
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: ponds and cow tracks everything else that's holding just a

1403
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: little bit of water. So that's people have tried that,

1404
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: and I've never heard of a success story scientifically or

1405
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: otherwise about that. And but the theory is again warning,

1406
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: here's the theory. Do flies want to bite through a

1407
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: thick hair of coat of hair because they want to

1408
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: go to the blood. They want to blood meal they're getting.

1409
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: They bite the deer to get a blood meal. That's

1410
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: why they bite them, or they want to go to

1411
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: the really richest form of blood that time year, which

1412
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: is a velvet antler, and a larger velvet antler is

1413
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: a lot easier for flies to get to. And and

1414
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: so when the original studies literally four decades ago on

1415
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 1: E h D, there was no difference in gender of mortality.

1416
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: Males and females died at equal rates. I'm not aware

1417
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: that that study has been repeated in modern times. But

1418
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: when you know, we're now managing for these older age

1419
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: structure of bucks and a lot of areas, and you've

1420
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: got a lot more bucks with big antlers out there.

1421
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: And if I'm a fly and I'm trying to get

1422
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: an easy blood meal, I'm certainly gonna go to a

1423
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: big antler buck. It's a lot easier to bite through,

1424
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, really short velvet than long deer hair, and

1425
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: mature bucks maybe more vuln morble to e h D

1426
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: than other younger bucks or does and last time, this

1427
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: is theory. Warning, this is theory, but on a lot

1428
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: of my clients land in northern Missouri and southern Iowa

1429
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: were e h D is just but I mean, it's

1430
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: just been horrible last few years. We're finding a disproportionate

1431
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: amount of mature deer, mature bucks. That's the first I've

1432
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: heard of that. But it's it makes a lot of

1433
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: sense and some interesting implications from that. Uh if it

1434
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: if it ever is proven, if that test, you know,

1435
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: if a test is redone and looked at, that's that's

1436
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating. Um, that doesn't mean, let me stay up front,

1437
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean we don't manage for mature bucks because

1438
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: mature bucks are gonna die. Lee knows. They're really rare anyway,

1439
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: that's why we all love them, crave I'm seeing them.

1440
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: They're really rare. And and we've kind of had a

1441
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:55,480
Speaker 1: string of odd weather. Doesn't mean it's going to continue. Uh,

1442
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: And and so it's not a reason for anyone not

1443
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: to manage for mature bucks. It just means that every

1444
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: now and then we're gonna lose some. If in fact

1445
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: that there is true, it may not even be true. Yeah,

1446
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean if we find a lot of doughs and

1447
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 1: and smaller bucks too, but you know, you don't really

1448
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: pay too much attention to them. But it's sure funny,

1449
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: you know when we were just doing this, you know,

1450
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: when I was shed on this year driving and four

1451
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: wheel around people woods and stuff complace that just know

1452
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: that's talentting that man, there's like a bone yard out there,

1453
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: but anywhere you goose white bones everywhere that four years,

1454
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, it's some pretty devastating and

1455
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: a lot of those aren't just ture bucks and a

1456
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: lot of I mean there's a lot that's just there's

1457
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: a lot of doughs out there too, and you know

1458
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: some some smaller bucks too, But it seems like mostly

1459
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: my bigger ones and then a lot of doughs and

1460
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: and that it's just me. I'm just not finding a

1461
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: lot of young group bucks. Um. I mean some here

1462
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: and there, but not not as many as like my

1463
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: bigger ones. I don't know the thy do that could

1464
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: just be they might be just as many of them

1465
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: dead too, that you just don't find all of them.

1466
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: They're not all on your property, you know, so you

1467
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: know one could off your property. A lot of the

1468
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: big ones just disappear and you used assume they're dead,

1469
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe not. But you know they can

1470
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: get off your property pretty easy too, and they don't have,

1471
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, the option of going wherever I want to,

1472
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: so you know, I just find what's on it's on honors.

1473
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: But you know, I hope that whether straightens out. But

1474
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: just like what has been crazier and crazier every year,

1475
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: some more extremes on droughts and rains and everything else,

1476
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: but hopefully get out of that weather pattern and keep

1477
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: back into the wet, normal weather patterns, because it's has

1478
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: devastated my older deer, that's for sure. And it's not

1479
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: like hunting mature bucks isn't tough enough without disease issues.

1480
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: So so so on that topic, you know, related to

1481
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: the hunting of mature bucks, I think most of us,

1482
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if things speak for everybody, but most

1483
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: of us. When we started deer hunting, we started just

1484
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: trying to shoot any deer, and then once we were

1485
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,040
Speaker 1: able to shoot eight deer. Then it was once you

1486
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: another few more dear and more dear, and then eventually

1487
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: some of us decided that we wanted to start targeting

1488
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: mature bucks. So my question, and I'm gonna send this

1489
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: to you leave first, is whenever you decide to make

1490
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: that switch to targeting mature bucks, what was your greatest

1491
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: challenge related to that? And then what was the lesson

1492
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: the greate lesson you learned to help you overcome that

1493
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: when you're first starting to target mature bucks. Well, I

1494
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: think it's I don't know that it was necessarily a decision. Hey,

1495
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna target mature bucks. I think it's just

1496
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: like anything you naturally get to the point, you know,

1497
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: if you're competitive at all, it's just like, Okay, now

1498
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: I got one. That's a I got my first buck.

1499
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: I named you my first buck till I was, you know,

1500
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: eighteen years old. I mean I hunted my whole life

1501
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: up in northern Minnesota, and they just you know, with

1502
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: the wolves and the snow went about that, they just

1503
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: weren't many deers. So I mean for twelve years that

1504
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: I hunted, I didn't see twelve years, you know, So

1505
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: I shot you know, a couple that was up there,

1506
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, and stuff. So by the time you know,

1507
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: I even shot my first hope and young, I was

1508
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: years old almost and I mean, I mean, just that's

1509
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: a fanatic about Europe and kill them. But until I got,

1510
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, with sixteen and my driver's license and was

1511
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: able to go to other places, you know, places like

1512
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: in the city limits around Minneapolis and stuff worth and

1513
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: they were there, actually were some bigger's years and then

1514
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, you're just starting from scratch. My dad and

1515
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 1: everybody the day had just held ben in the deer hunters. Basically,

1516
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: if you saw a dough and then you had a

1517
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: dough license, you were shooting. And that was the way

1518
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: you end up up there in northern Minnesota. So, I mean,

1519
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: you didn't had to learn everything on my own and

1520
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: made so many mistakes and and everything. You know, you're

1521
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: thinking now from the places that I had acted to

1522
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: do that. Um, you know, I didn't take advantage of

1523
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: start shooting anything good on me. If I knew it

1524
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: back then, what I know now, it was been totally different.

1525
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: You're back when I first started boring hard, anybody both

1526
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: hunted around Minneapolis, you know, are around the city limits

1527
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: you live, What do you want to try to see

1528
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: one with the boat? Go ahead? You know now you

1529
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: would try to find a place there. I mean, they've

1530
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: been hammered so much it's so hard to find. But

1531
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: I think it's just natural progression. Once you shot once.

1532
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 1: Once I shot my well, I can say once I

1533
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: saw my first pope of young, that was it. I

1534
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: mean I was hooked on here if they used to

1535
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: know chasan On, deepth On, goose Sons, everything, just because

1536
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: we didn't have many deer. But once I shot my

1537
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: first one, by then everything else took second seat to it.

1538
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: Uh you know. And so I've just been that I've

1539
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: been infatuated with him since I was a kid, but

1540
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: until I started actually having the reality that I could

1541
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: kill one. About when you know when I changed? But

1542
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, it seems more that it was

1543
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: a natural progression. Okay, I shot a little one, a squarking,

1544
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: now I want to see a bigger one. And then

1545
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: they want to shot my first poping young and it said, well,

1546
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: I don't really care to see a smaller one anymore.

1547
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: I just want to shoot something that's hoping young or better.

1548
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: And now it's just age. All knows all about age.

1549
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care if the deer, which which

1550
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: they have, I've passed. I've passed two hundred inch dere

1551
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: now since uh you know, since then that because they

1552
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: were four years old. I want to you know, I

1553
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: want to see him get to five and six. I

1554
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: think that's a big part of the management is you know,

1555
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: I almost I could see it probably if anywhere hardly

1556
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: even shoot any of them, because I just kind of

1557
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: want to see what they get to know how big

1558
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,560
Speaker 1: they how big they'll get, you know, because some of

1559
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: these there were like one nineties that's a deer last year,

1560
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 1: I've passed it. Piggoty be close to two hundred probably

1561
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 1: maybe just under pre there a four year old deer,

1562
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: and I want to see you'll never get to fifty

1563
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: if it's shoot him in a two hundreds, So you'd

1564
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: like to see when they're what they'll get to forward to.

1565
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: After November, I never saw him again, so probably somebody

1566
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: else shot him. So we you know, we lose lose

1567
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: some of them that way too, but you know, some

1568
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: of them disappear and they'll come back. But uh, you know,

1569
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: I think It's just a natural progression more than than anything.

1570
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: If you're really into unless you you know, some people

1571
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: maybe don't. Don't look at hunting the way that I

1572
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: said that a lot of us do something, just find

1573
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: some fun to do, go out on the weekend. Here.

1574
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: They're just the way that I'll go out to play

1575
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: tennis or will play baseball or something. It's like, hey, yeah,

1576
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: I like doing it, but it's not a passion of mine.

1577
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: But want this is a passion of yours. You know.

1578
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: Then you always want to strive to get better and better.

1579
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: You know I say that the people like said, well

1580
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm just a meat hunter. Well we all kind of are.

1581
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: But you know you take like any sports, like Michael Jordan, Okay,

1582
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: you're just getting better and better. You make it to

1583
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: the top is game. He probably doesn't have much desire

1584
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: to go back and play with this high school team.

1585
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: You know what. You could just dominate him, you know so.

1586
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: But it's the same same thing for hunting. Once you

1587
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: get to a point where okay, I've shot the pope

1588
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: young that I want to shoot the bolder deer. I

1589
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: probably care to shoot a younger deer. To me, it's

1590
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: not much of a challenge, you know anymore? I want

1591
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: to I want to challenge consistently now, I want to,

1592
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: I want I want to be as I want to

1593
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: be as hard as possible. What's the you know, what's

1594
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: the hardest animal in the world hunt? I mean, but

1595
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 1: there isn't very many five or six year old bucks

1596
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: face it, and when you do have one, trying to

1597
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: get him out with daylight, it's another thing. So it's

1598
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: just that much of a challenge. And I think that's

1599
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: why I started she hunting and a lot of the

1600
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: other things that are just such a such, so much

1601
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: more of a challenge. So I don't know that's anything

1602
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: that you really decided. It just kind of happens, you know,

1603
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: where you want something bigger and better than you had before,

1604
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: and just you just you want to challenge all the time. Now.

1605
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: Now that said, though, was there anything that you learned

1606
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: as you made that transition that actually helped you succeed

1607
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: in killing those bigger deer? You did you change a

1608
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: tactic or did you did you see a deer do

1609
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: something one day that all of a sudden made a

1610
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: lightbulb click in your head that said, oh, this is

1611
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: what I've been doing wrong. Was there any kind of

1612
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 1: moment like that that just helped you have better success

1613
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,560
Speaker 1: killing those bigger, older deer. Um, you know what was

1614
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: the biggest change or realization that increased your success rate?

1615
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm curious, okay from that right at the beginning, and

1616
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't so much of an a tactic.

1617
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: It was, hey, I got to get out of here

1618
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: and go someplacelf like when I was an high school

1619
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: and people going to party that at my five dollar

1620
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,879
Speaker 1: car and I was driving the Iowa in the Kansas

1621
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: and and looking, you know, at deer because they had them,

1622
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: and it was like, okay, I gotta hunted my whole life.

1623
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, man, I think I think I

1624
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: do it. And right, you know, you read all the

1625
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: articles that done everything he tried to extend control, all

1626
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: the wind and all this kind of stuff, and it's

1627
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: still not shooting them. But then they started seeing when

1628
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: I went and started going to Iowa and Kansas in

1629
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: a place that just I spent my time looking for

1630
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: a spot that had the big one had figgered deer

1631
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: in it, and then ten percent of the time actually

1632
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: hunting them. And then thought out said hey, I was

1633
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: good enough hunter to kill these. I just wasn't hunting

1634
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 1: in the right spot, so I did. The biggest thing

1635
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: is just hey, if you don't have them making we

1636
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: go out to you know, the Harrisburg Show and pent thing. Oh,

1637
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: we don't have anything, you're here, you know, we just

1638
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, if it's brown is bown around here and said, well,

1639
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: you gotta go someplace else. Hey, when I was I

1640
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: was sixteen years old and didn't have a penny to

1641
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: my name, I would still grounding up guests wanting to

1642
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: go drive down to Iowa or wherever to's there find something.

1643
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: You may have to do that. But then the second

1644
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: part is just really learning to no age structure of deer,

1645
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: to know to recognize the three year olds when you

1646
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: see it, to recognize the four year old and see

1647
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: it and stop shooting those, and just holding out for

1648
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: bigger ones. And a lot of people say that to

1649
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: me too when you go you go out east as well.

1650
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: You know, if I don't shoot, I have to shoot it.

1651
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: You know, if I if I see it at three yearld,

1652
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 1: I got to shoot because if I don't, my neighbor

1653
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: will will look. You're that neighbor. You're the neighbor you're

1654
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: talking about, he's saying the same thing about you. You

1655
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 1: gotta just you put out into some place. We we

1656
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 1: lose a lot of our three year olds as well,

1657
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: because three year olds they're the dumbest deer in the woods. Basically,

1658
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 1: they want to be, you know, prime breeder, but they're

1659
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: they're anosis and pushed around by the older ones. You're

1660
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: they're the ones when you're grunting and rattlings, they're the

1661
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: three year olds, the one they come running in that

1662
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: they're to me, they're they're super easy to kill. And

1663
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: there was a time, you know a lot of the

1664
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: deer that my well now are just super genetic three

1665
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: year olds, you know when we first got to the

1666
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: ioland yeah, I was shooting them too, because they were

1667
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty inches and two hundred seventy in

1668
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: three year olds. That man, you know, you're really looking

1669
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: at you know, score wise. But then when once they

1670
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: moved down and you started doing that, you could keep

1671
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: start managing the property, food cloths and do that, and

1672
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: pretty soon you look at it. Well, I shout all

1673
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: my three year old, good genetic geer, and I had

1674
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: left all my you know, crappy genetic you know, eight

1675
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,560
Speaker 1: points and stuff that are four and five. By the

1676
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: third year, our farm will just run by old crappy genetic.

1677
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: Ay point, well, that was terrible management. He thought, you know,

1678
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a deer manager in passing these deer.

1679
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 1: And by the third year, is like, that was that

1680
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: much terrible deer manager. I gotta go up to eight

1681
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: structure on the things. It's a students here that are

1682
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: five and six, no matter how old they were, I mean,

1683
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: what matter, no matter what kind of racked the head

1684
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: on them, and just being all those good genetic three

1685
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: year olds that that came, you started to get them

1686
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: through to five years old. So I mean that's you know,

1687
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I learned is that that makes

1688
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: us more successful I scoring deer because now is letting

1689
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: them go at three and four and sometimes even five

1690
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: years olds. I mean this year we left several of

1691
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,919
Speaker 1: our five year olds that were you know, in the eighties,

1692
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 1: which you know you've normally obviously he's super happy with it,

1693
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: but it's just like we lost so many of the

1694
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: e h D and those deer you made it through

1695
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 1: all those years of e h D, So maybe they're

1696
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: immune to it, um, you know, because they they they've

1697
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: had cracked hoods and stuff in the path that they

1698
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: are like trd to grant about maybe on the side

1699
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: after the show. But you know, I've heard that, you know,

1700
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: someone gettn't lived through it, and I've seen I've seen that.

1701
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of them lived through it,

1702
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: but then poses they're immune to it after. And I

1703
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: don't know if that's true or not, but I've seen

1704
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: like a big slipper feet on some of our bucks.

1705
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: They get this big long hoods and track hoods and stuff,

1706
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: and and one of our bucks in particular still limps

1707
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: on that hook. But it's been two years and already

1708
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: limps on that and it hasn't effected his rack. Andy,

1709
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 1: but he was like, you know, d close to you

1710
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: Nady this year, but he was he was five, and

1711
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: I don't leave him another year because maybe he's immune

1712
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: to that. Just got to have some older deer around,

1713
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 1: you know, to hunt in, you know, in future years.

1714
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: So um, you know that that's probably the biggest thing.

1715
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: It was going going to place that had good deer

1716
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: and then learning how to aide jump, you know, to

1717
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: know what a three year old and if you gotta pass,

1718
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: and that's hard to do if you don't have your

1719
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: own property, because they normally will get shot by somebody else.

1720
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: And I think you make a make a really good

1721
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: point there, and that you know whether you're targeting a

1722
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: deer based on antler size or age structure. You know,

1723
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: if if you're setting your goals based on TV or

1724
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: some other thing, you know you're never going to kill

1725
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: a deer if it doesn't actually live. You know where

1726
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: you hunt and so if your goal is to shoot,

1727
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, a deer like you're talking about, well that

1728
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: might not be possible in New England. So you either

1729
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: need to adjust where you hunt or you need to

1730
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: adjust your expectations. So I think that's you know, it's

1731
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: an important thing, important thing to think about now. Grant

1732
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: you're in a different situation, very different area than than

1733
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: Lee is for you. When you were starting to go

1734
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: for these either bigger or older deer, was there an

1735
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: aha moment for you that helped you become more successful?

1736
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: A little different from me. I was raised here in

1737
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: the Missourio's art, so the same part was like lea guys,

1738
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: I think I was eighteen when I tagged my first

1739
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: dear and it was a button buck, and I was

1740
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: so proud of it and still them to today. And

1741
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: I just thought it was great. And you know, grew

1742
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 1: up in a family that pretty much we you know,

1743
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: if you could kill a deer, you just you were

1744
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: a hero. I mean, people drove by the farm and

1745
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: looked at it, touched it and talked about it. And

1746
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: so those were great fun days for me, and I

1747
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't discourage anyone from from having those days. And as

1748
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: I went off to school and even grad school, and

1749
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: at that time, I'm dating myself at decades ago, we

1750
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: started talking about I wonder why if you know, deer

1751
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 1: got older blah blah blah, And I was just always

1752
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: fascinated with with that idea. Once once I got explained

1753
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: to me and I could kind of see it, touch

1754
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 1: at feel it, and actually hundred some ranches and Texas

1755
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: or older aged class bucks and it's got oh my gosh,

1756
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like this and rattling deer responding

1757
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: and rattling ground castle. That just to me. I love

1758
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: the dear biology and the dear behavior of older aged

1759
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: class bucks and the challenge so no deer here, you know,

1760
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 1: a big deer where I lived, there's no agg in

1761
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: the counties where I live and on land or zero AGG.

1762
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: So a giant deer here is one sixty. That's like

1763
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: a two twenty in Iowa. That's the top of the

1764
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: top of the top of the book. And so if

1765
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: we can grow sixty consistently, I'm just as happy as

1766
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: I can be and consider that a good accomplishment and

1767
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: get to interact with them and see him on choke

1768
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: cameras and maybe see him in person. And I think

1769
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: what you just said is set your goals based on

1770
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: where you live. And and I tell people all the time,

1771
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: if you know, if you want to set high goals,

1772
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 1: then go to Popeion, Buddha, Crockett, whichever group you want

1773
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: to go to, and kind of see the top for

1774
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 1: your neighborhood. And if you're setting your goals at that

1775
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: level or higher, you better be prepared to eat tag

1776
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: soup quite a bit because those are rare deer and

1777
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 1: so I kind of use those, you know, scientists, I

1778
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: got a major everything. But if you're in an area

1779
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: that you know, a big deer, for example, and this

1780
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: may shock some people, but in my land is split

1781
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: by two counties, and in Missouri has pretty large counties.

1782
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: In both counties, there's been one hoping young ever recorded.

1783
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more harvested, but it's all relative to

1784
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: wherever you are, and never a single Boone and Crockett

1785
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: ever horrible place for deer ball just to live from

1786
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: that point of view, uh never. So you know, and I,

1787
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, meet local guys at church or wherever, and

1788
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: they're talking about I'm gonna come you one and seven

1789
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: and said, no, you're not not in this county. I mean,

1790
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's just not likely to happen. And if

1791
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 1: you hold out for that, you're gonna eat tag soup

1792
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: so long that you are gonna get bored and end

1793
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: up being a golfer him or you know whatever, which

1794
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: is not bad. But you're not going to be a

1795
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: deer hunter because you're just you're just never gonna be satisfied.

1796
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: So setting realistic goals for where you hunt, and my

1797
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: goals changed. I have a really good friend in Western

1798
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: Kansas and I drop tags after every now and then,

1799
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 1: and my goals in Western Kansas are different one way.

1800
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 1: I'm looking for totally different animers, but I'm still looking

1801
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: for a four or five year old animal. That's kind

1802
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: of my harvest criteria. And but in some areas, if

1803
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: a guy holds up for a four year old, he's

1804
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: he's never gonna get it. It just doesn't live in

1805
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: that neighborhood. I want to talk about food plots a

1806
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: second for one reason, and that's because I'm getting ready

1807
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: this summer to a plant my very first ever food

1808
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: plot on a pizza property that I have access to.

1809
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: And I'll start with you grant from maybe a health

1810
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: or an attractant type of standpoint, what would what would

1811
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: your opinion be for the all around food plot option. Oh, guys,

1812
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: there's literally hundreds or thousands, I don't know. Uh, So

1813
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: there's several factors. Some of them are talking about a lot.

1814
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: Uh you know. We if it's the first food plot,

1815
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: it's probably been a cow pasture or something. There's probably

1816
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 1: a huge weed seed base there, and so you need

1817
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: something you can control weeds in and and and round

1818
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: up bray. Soybeans is a great first time plot. Soybeans

1819
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: are pretty easy to grow actually and pretty drought resistant.

1820
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: There's a reason, you know, soybeans feed the world literally, Uh,

1821
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: they're easy to grow and and and productive. And of

1822
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: course deer love them. If you're too small plot, they

1823
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: could wipe them out pretty quick unless you use electric

1824
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: fence or something. And if you're in an area where

1825
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: deer don't know beans, again, Ryan, there's no acts. So

1826
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 1: the first three years we planted soybeans here, I mean

1827
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: it's literally, it's hard. It's hard for people to believe.

1828
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: For the first two years, I do not believe a

1829
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:51,879
Speaker 1: deer removed a single leaf off soybeans we planted here. Literally,

1830
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: they've never seen a soybean, never smelled a soybean. Abole

1831
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: to walk through the soybeans and eat the BlackBerry on

1832
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: the edge of the plot where to fertilize your truck

1833
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: a little bit made me so mad. It's just like

1834
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: people planting turn ups Nebraskas and areas where do you

1835
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: haven't seen them for We always talked about learning curved.

1836
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: You're certainly have a learning curve. You can take apples

1837
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: to Texas and put them on top of corn pile

1838
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: and they're scratched, the apple out away and eat the corn.

1839
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: And you can go to New York where Pennsylvania where

1840
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: apples grow naturally, and they're all over the place, and

1841
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, dear love apples and will readily go to them.

1842
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 1: So soybeans under the right conditions are a really easy

1843
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: first time crop. Clovers an easy crop if if you're

1844
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: in an area that doesn't get too hot and your

1845
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: soul maintains moisture. Clover needs a lot of moisture in

1846
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 1: it needs an awful lot of phosphorus. Most people starved

1847
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: or clover to death. It's a two big killers of

1848
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: clover or weeds which are not that easy to control,

1849
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: and clover and lack of phosphorus. And if you if

1850
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: you control weeds and fosphors. I have clover stands literally

1851
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: ten and eleven years old. It look fabulous, but you

1852
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: gotta feed them and you gotta keep the weeds out

1853
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: of them. And then your mission. What time of year

1854
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 1: are are you planning this plot primarily as an attractive

1855
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 1: to hunt over or is your goal nutrition during the summer?

1856
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: There's you know, you kind of got to find your

1857
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 1: crop based on what your mission is. I know I

1858
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: didn't give you a direct answer, but that's just kind

1859
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,759
Speaker 1: of where I come from all the time. By people's

1860
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: what's your mission and what's your resources? What do you

1861
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: have to plant with and how wheedy is it going

1862
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: to be? What do you have for a favorite? Lie? Well,

1863
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: I think you know I had all the time mine

1864
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: go over. I mean I rereely grant on beans and

1865
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: elfhi like here because we do have you know, not sandy.

1866
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: So we have good so we got good moisture as

1867
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: we can grow go over. But even on the drought

1868
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 1: years that plant mixed with alfalf and stuff celtic you forgot,

1869
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, try again. I could had some malf helfon

1870
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: that it'll grow. But I kind of always only do

1871
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: one thing. It would get clovers because you know, people

1872
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: at that seminar and like a you know clover acts

1873
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: only the kids sit everywhere. It doesn't or something dotic

1874
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: bean or something. But it's for me it's clover because

1875
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean I look for some to hunt over and

1876
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: and to even greater sense. But is you know, dear health.

1877
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 1: So I look at if I had the clover fields out,

1878
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: you've got a good good high protein and it can

1879
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: have small food pluck and you can feed a lot

1880
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 1: of deer. It puts a lot of ton of jobs

1881
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 1: on me. If I have one acre field, they can

1882
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: hold you quite a few deer in there eating every day.

1883
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: If we've got good rain stuff and uh, you know

1884
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: for us here's mostly grasses. I can hit it with

1885
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: select mats, pro posts. I had to kill most the

1886
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 1: grasses out of it too, pore DP if it's got

1887
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: some other stuff in it, you know, some other broad

1888
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: leave stuff, and so I can kind of keep it

1889
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 1: pretty much weed free. And you know, most of the

1890
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: clover fields they'll have for five seven years and they

1891
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: start getting a rope stan or something, I'll take it

1892
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: out and put something else in there and then go

1893
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 1: back to go back to the clover, you know, the

1894
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: year after that. But how just look at it for

1895
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: hunting over Uh, you know, it's one of our first

1896
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: things that green up here when the when the snow's

1897
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: down and stuff, and the turkeys are in it and

1898
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 1: deer it like crazy, and then you know it's got

1899
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: a lot of good protein, a lot of contage through

1900
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:07,640
Speaker 1: it to the summer and then it's it's why I mean,

1901
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: I wish you so many of our deer off of

1902
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: it too. So I mean something that can last all

1903
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: year if they used you know, like like soy beans

1904
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 1: and turnips and winter wet and those things you don't

1905
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 1: have them for you know, the entire season basically, and

1906
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: even our clover it's stay you know, green underneath the

1907
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: snow we had, you know, some snow, and even you

1908
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: go on our field clover fields, man, they'd be digg

1909
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: into the snow to get at it. So I think

1910
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: if I could only plan one thing at least here

1911
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: where I live, I can grow a good clover field,

1912
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: that would be it. If I'm going to do one thing,

1913
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: because it's it's good for the health and nutrition ev

1914
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: plus it's good to hunt. Or I'd say, I'd say

1915
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:48,879
Speaker 1: that you guys just doomed Dan, because Dan, the pressure,

1916
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 1: the pressure is now on for you to get a

1917
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: terrific food plot in there, because Lelakowski and Grant Woods

1918
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: just gave you food plot advice. So don't screw this up.

1919
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to uh So, I want to touch on

1920
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 1: a topic we haven't really talked about much yet, which

1921
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:08,719
Speaker 1: is wind. You know, when it comes to hunting mature bucks.

1922
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: Understanding wind is a huge thing for most of us,

1923
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of people at least that I've talked

1924
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 1: to as I progress as a deer hunter. One of

1925
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,560
Speaker 1: the things that I've shifted to paying more attention to

1926
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 1: is how a specific buck might use wind. You know,

1927
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: when I first started hunting, it was I want to

1928
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,560
Speaker 1: make sure my wind isn't going to blow towards a

1929
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: deer and spook a deer. But now I'm also thinking

1930
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 1: about that as well as how is a buck going

1931
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: to be using the wind to move through an area?

1932
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: And then potentially I could use that to determine where

1933
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to hunt. So with that kind of example

1934
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,679
Speaker 1: in mind, how do you believe, based on what you've seen,

1935
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: most often a mature buck will use the wind when traveling?

1936
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you seeing that he's most often going

1937
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 1: to travel the wind in his face or most often

1938
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: to his back or quartering. What's the most common situation

1939
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: you've seen? Grant? What are you? What would you say

1940
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: on that? I'm gonna say it's what and deal with

1941
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 1: GPS collars deer much more unique than I used to believe,

1942
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: so you asked earlier on a different related question, you

1943
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 1: know what's learned? Why you change? A big, big changing

1944
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: point in my life was GPS color is getting inexpensive

1945
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 1: enough to apply them to to deer for research, really

1946
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 1: busting my bubble on a lot of things I believed,

1947
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 1: and one thing that really increased my knowledge on is

1948
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 1: just how individual deer are. And some deer just have

1949
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 1: a much larger in the same area, the same resources,

1950
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: the same area, much larger home range, some have much

1951
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 1: smaller Some tend to be more active in daylight, the

1952
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: same age glass and others. Some are bullies, literally they

1953
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: try to roam around and beat here by up and

1954
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 1: and and some are are are real loners, uh, And

1955
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 1: I suspect the same is true watching movement patterns in

1956
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,560
Speaker 1: the same area, so you know, they're all facing the

1957
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 1: same wind. And some deer tend to have a north

1958
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 1: south burying, some deer tend to have an east west

1959
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: burying and in the exact same location, So I think

1960
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 1: it's more of an individual I think it goes back

1961
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: to what Bill and Lee both said is they're not

1962
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: hunting signed or hunting traveled areas or known areas, And

1963
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: it takes two or three years or even longer to

1964
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: learn a property, and and in that time frame they

1965
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: may be chasing the same bug. They're probably you know,

1966
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: maybe I've harvested that buck and moved on to a

1967
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: different book. You're hunting areas that you can uh that

1968
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:24,719
Speaker 1: you've learned that dear use that you can hunt without

1969
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: being busted. I think it really bulls that boils down

1970
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: to the bottom line. Okay, and Lee, have you seen

1971
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: anything differently or do you have a different thought on that? Oh?

1972
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,799
Speaker 1: I agree with Grant because so many dear they're so individual,

1973
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: and I think that's what makes them so much fun

1974
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: to hunt, because you can't say gear do this any

1975
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: different thing. You say people do this. Everyone is different,

1976
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 1: but like like like, because I'm hunting gears basically they

1977
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they paid as close attention to it

1978
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: is they used to think that they did. Um. You know,

1979
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,080
Speaker 1: it's not like caribou where they sit there, notice the

1980
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 1: wind and just wander. I mean, obviously our deer on

1981
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: our farm every day, if they only walked in the

1982
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: wind in their days like they did, and that's two

1983
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: hundred miles north by the time the end of the season.

1984
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: Because we get mostly north winds, and we used to

1985
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 1: anyway when we had kind of cool weather patterns. It's

1986
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 1: been so warm lately that you get at the south

1987
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 1: and east more than we used to. For me, it's

1988
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 1: it's mostly I like to say if I have one

1989
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: of my favorite food flots or some deer, I know

1990
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 1: where they generally bed a lot of times, I mean

1991
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: for the most part, and you know where they're gonna

1992
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: come in, and they normally I always do. I mean

1993
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 1: not they all awesome boom come into the others. I

1994
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: have a food flots up here there. But in general,

1995
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of know where they bed most

1996
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: of the time, even though they can bed anywhere. For

1997
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: a lot of deer come in from the same places,

1998
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 1: so it's like it's more meat change in my you know,

1999
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 1: my strategy one, you just hunt the places where I

2000
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 1: can get away with with the wind, because I set

2001
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: them up mostly for northwest, but I always have you know,

2002
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: east stands and west ends and of it in because

2003
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna get all kinds of weather stuff each day.

2004
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: But it's like a lot of times the deer come

2005
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,599
Speaker 1: in the same place in the food puts, no matter

2006
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: what the wind is, so they're not just putting the

2007
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: wind in their nose. But once they're in there, you

2008
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 1: know when the you know, you've got to make sure

2009
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 1: where you're at it is going to be down one

2010
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: from them, so you just don't hunt them on the days.

2011
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: But I said, I don't. I don't see that they're

2012
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 1: using the wind so much themselves, because there seemed to

2013
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: be they kind of do the same things, come from

2014
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: the same places no matter what the wind is, just

2015
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 1: what can you get away with? So we just don't

2016
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: hunt them on the day to that the wind is wrong.

2017
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: And that's nice quite having lots of different setups, lots

2018
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 1: of difference to ends. I mean, we have some little

2019
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 1: food puts. I mean you're talking two acres that there's

2020
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: literally like six or eight setups around it for every

2021
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: different wind situation. And then you're finding things pots that

2022
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: you think it is perfect, and you know you can

2023
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,640
Speaker 1: guess at all the time. It's just it's then had

2024
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: to wind s whereising and other places that doesn't see

2025
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: matter what the wind is, you know, if you kind

2026
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 1: of learned where you know the structure of your land,

2027
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 1: it just the wind was up and over the top

2028
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 1: of them. And some things about I don't all that

2029
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: deer specifically use the wind as much as I want

2030
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 1: to stack. And now that I get to look at

2031
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: dear every single day and watching, you know, you know,

2032
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: we love going at that's about the feeder at Lynda's

2033
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and movie. It's not just the feet of there. We've

2034
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: got you know, help of fields and flower fields and

2035
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 1: so it means and stuff all around her house where

2036
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 1: we can see them from our house. So we like

2037
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 1: going over there just to wat dear really to night.

2038
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: Even in our house. It's it's the right. They don't

2039
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: have any food, puts any clothes. I don't want an

2040
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 1: to hear upon our house, so we don't get a

2041
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 1: chance seeing. But Linda's probos to go back in middle nowhere.

2042
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 1: But still it doesn't matter from the summer months that

2043
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: the winter months. The deer come from the same places

2044
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 1: all the time. Not that you can't see one duck

2045
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:51,719
Speaker 1: coming and play something there the next day or whatever.

2046
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: But for the most parts, the deer always come in

2047
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 1: the same places. You kind of know where they're beat

2048
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 1: and stuff. So obviously there's different winds every day, and

2049
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: they're traveling from the same to and from all the time.

2050
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 1: So I think you know they're you know, there's nose

2051
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 1: is good enough that you can get enough squirrels and

2052
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: stuff that they can always but you know they're gonna

2053
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:14,919
Speaker 1: they're gonna spell stuff that's around, you know, in the timberance.

2054
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: If you see a lot different like out west, you know,

2055
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,560
Speaker 1: whereas every time you watch it, you know, but you know,

2056
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 1: a mule there or something go lay down. Let me know,

2057
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: they're always going to have that wind at their back

2058
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 1: and overlooking the you know what, you know, something open

2059
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: in front of them, and it's like, man, okay, how

2060
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:30,639
Speaker 1: we're gonna get in on that thing. But I don't

2061
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: see that white where we're at so much. Um, I

2062
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: think they're I was using the same trail, doing the

2063
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah. That's an interesting point too, in relation

2064
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: to you know how you said you saw mule deer

2065
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: doing a little bit differently in different locations. I wonder

2066
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 1: if this is something that might be you know, uh,

2067
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: location dependent, pressure dependent as well. Maybe a buck in

2068
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,560
Speaker 1: Michigan might be acting differently than a buck there in

2069
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: Iowa on a you know, well managed property. Um. It's

2070
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 1: definitely one of those things that keeps me up at

2071
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:03,679
Speaker 1: night thinking about a lot, that's sure. So yeah, yeah,

2072
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: So we have kept you guys a long time here

2073
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: and this has been terrific and we appreciate it so much.

2074
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: I want to ask one quick final question and then

2075
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: let you guys get back to preparing for your turkey

2076
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: hunts or whatever exciting stuff might be up next in

2077
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: food plots. Yeah, So my question is this, and I'm

2078
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: gonna send it to I Guess Grant first. What is

2079
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: your greatest concern for the future of deer hunting? Mm hmm,

2080
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. Cd w D would be up

2081
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 1: there because there's so many unknowns. Uh. Access for a

2082
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:43,040
Speaker 1: bulk of hunters is way up there. But my biggest

2083
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: concern overall, Number one is behavior of hunters. And I

2084
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: look at this way, get on who's math in the

2085
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 1: status you want to look at, and there's all what

2086
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 1: different ways of calculating this. But hunters now are somewhere

2087
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: around six of the population, so we're never we're going

2088
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 1: to be a majority. We're never gonna be And it's

2089
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: proven in our society that's some small but well organized,

2090
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: vocal minorities can really have huge impacts. And I think

2091
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,600
Speaker 1: hunters have to maintain a clean act. We have to

2092
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 1: prove that we are doing a service to society by

2093
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 1: being good conservationists, not just by reducing deer in Minneapolis

2094
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: and Phillies that are not on the airport runways and

2095
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 1: in the streets but managing and conserving species by making

2096
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: better habitat and and by by that behavior and really

2097
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 1: cleaning up our ranks or maintaining clean ranks, is how

2098
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,760
Speaker 1: we preserve the right to hunt in America. It's not

2099
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:43,560
Speaker 1: a god given right. We've got to fight for it

2100
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: and preserve it. And that's my number one fear, that

2101
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 1: we police our own ranks and take care of ourselves

2102
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:51,639
Speaker 1: and promote this heritage of hunting. And I think that's

2103
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: that's such a great point. I'm glad you mentioned that. Lee.

2104
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: What about for you, what's what is your greatest concern? Yeah,

2105
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean just what exactly what Grant said. But and

2106
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 1: again just um e h D here. So I see

2107
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 1: that a lot. Well I don't see the c w D,

2108
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: but I okay, so I know all about it, all

2109
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,680
Speaker 1: about it, And that one really scares me, that, you know,

2110
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Speaker 1: because there it isn't like like a minature fly by

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Speaker 1: and them like like the h D wing gets dry.

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Speaker 1: But two have concerns. You know, they're talking about global

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Speaker 1: warming and those kinds of things. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: you know that committed any scientific proof cure. There's some

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Speaker 1: scientists say there is, and there isn't what if there is.

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Speaker 1: I just look at it like the weather patterns, because

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Speaker 1: it was to get fire and dryer and just start,

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Speaker 1: you know, taking out beer like that. Um that's my

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Speaker 1: concerning right time, because that's what I see. I'm just

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Speaker 1: what if what if we start if it's dry all

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Speaker 1: the time, but um, you know there'll be any any

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01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 1: beer left. But you know, I think we were always

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Speaker 1: going to be able to find solutions the things if

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Speaker 1: they if they really start are going down. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think scientists people would come up with some solutions

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Speaker 1: to that. But like Grant said, I think that the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing is the people. Um uh, like you said,

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01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: because that's U can always do things to help improve

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Speaker 1: the habitat and stuff the deer, but you always can

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01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 1: always do that for hunters. And I said, and just

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01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 1: like you said, six percent of the population, You've got

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01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: to make sure that you know, if we do any

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Speaker 1: right to maintain this para chase, I know how much

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Speaker 1: it's meant to me. Now I havn't a a young

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01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 1: son and stuff, and you want to see im there's

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01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,120
Speaker 1: so many good things that come from it. Look at

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01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 1: me all to my high school years and college years,

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Speaker 1: other people maybe getting into drugs or drinking or anything

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01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 1: like that. It always just kept between. I didn't really

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01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 1: care about all that stuff at all. Was about hunting

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01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 1: and and even and even just spending time with my

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01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,839
Speaker 1: with my family, with my uncle's and my my grandfa

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01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: and my dad and things. You get such a you know,

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01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 1: it seemed like not don't want everybody's so busy and

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01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 1: both par working and bake its stuff, they feel them.

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01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: But to me, the hunting thing at the time that

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01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 1: you spend with your with your kids and family members

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01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,639
Speaker 1: and stuff. And you know, for me, when it wasn't

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01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 1: that my dad was gonna beat me if I did wrong,

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01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: it was more they would be disappointed in me. And

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01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, and I think the hunting part was it

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01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: was where that closeness came between. It's like me and

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01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 1: my dad and my brother and my grandpas and stuff

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01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 1: like that, and it's like those of the times that

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01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: we spent together the best, you know, the best times

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01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: the most we spend the most time with them. And

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01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 1: that's honestly, what's you know, you just want to be

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01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:33,640
Speaker 1: able to share that with your kids and things that

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01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: they would just be devastating. I think for the whole

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01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 1: country if you know that went away, because a lot

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01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 1: of it's going away as it is, And that's I

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01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 1: think the hunting is people in the hunting family. You

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01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 1: see those kids and stuff out of their closeness that

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01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:48,719
Speaker 1: they have with their with their dad or their daughters

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and I think it's I think it's a

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01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: big help. I think we really eat that today. Yeah,

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01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 1: so true, so true. I'm so glad that we're able

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Speaker 1: to finish this conversation talking about things as important as

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Speaker 1: getting our families and children out in the woods and

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Speaker 1: you know, being positive representatives of the hunting community, because

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Speaker 1: I think you know, as you guys both said, you know,

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01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 1: all the tactics, all the great strategies, all the big

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01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 1: deer in the world. That's a lot of fun. But

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01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 1: if we can't actually, if we don't actually have the

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01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 1: right and the privilege and the ability to get out

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01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 1: and hunt and share these experiences with our family and friends,

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Speaker 1: none of that matters. So I think this is a

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01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 1: perfect place, perfect place to wrap it up. So Grant Lee,

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Speaker 1: thank you both so much for taking the time to

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01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 1: do this. It has been a pleasure. Thank you. Thanks

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01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 1: for the opportunity absolutely, and with that I let you

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01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 1: guys get back to your important tasks out in the woods.

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01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 1: So good luck turkey hunting, food plotting and everything that's

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01:46:41,120 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 1: come upcoming season. Thank you. All Right, Well, that was

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01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:50,599
Speaker 1: a lot to digest, but very very interesting and if

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01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 1: you want more of this kind of info, please be

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01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 1: sure to check out Lee, Bill and Grant's own respective

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01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 1: websites which can point to all the great things are

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01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 1: up to right now, and I've linked to each of

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Speaker 1: their websites on the blog post for this episode on

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Speaker 1: wire dunt dot com. Now, before we wrap things up, though,

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Speaker 1: as promised at the top, we are giving out some

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Speaker 1: terrific prizes from our partners as a thank you to

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Speaker 1: all of you for being a part of the wire

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Speaker 1: dunk community and for joining us on this ride through

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Speaker 1: one hundred podcasts. So first, here's what's up for grabs.

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Speaker 1: Our friends is Sick of Gear will be giving away

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Speaker 1: a full early season system that includes their Equinox jacket

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Speaker 1: and pant, their core lightweight longsleeve shirt and bottoms, hangar gloves,

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Speaker 1: and a sick of ball cap that is an awesome setup.

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Speaker 1: Ozonics are partners at Ozons will be giving away one

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Speaker 1: your Ozons machine into essentially an ozone washer closet for

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Speaker 1: all of your gear. And a Kinetic backpack which is

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Speaker 1: an all purpose hunting pack which also is designed specifically

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Speaker 1: to allow you to use your Ozonics machine while you're

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Speaker 1: traveling to and from your tree stand. Our friends at

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Speaker 1: hunt Terra will be providing one of their are super

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Speaker 1: become quickly addicted to looking at. And our friends at

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Speaker 1: Carbon Express we're providing a package of their Maxima Red Arrows.

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Speaker 1: So again we've got a full early season system from

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Speaker 1: Sit Up, We've got a dry washbag and a kinetic

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Speaker 1: backpack from Mosonics. We've got a T shirt and fifty

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Speaker 1: dollar gift card from Huntera, and we have a half

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Speaker 1: dozen Carbon Express Maxima Red Arrows. Some pretty sweet prizes there,

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Speaker 1: and you guys are well deserving of them because I appreciate,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate what you guys have done and being a

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Speaker 1: part of this community and tuning into this podcast every week.

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Speaker 1: So We're going to do a random drawing to select

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Speaker 1: who will win each of these prizes, but you'll need

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Speaker 1: you simply need to head over to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt Facebook page, which you can find at facebook dot

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Speaker 1: the first one hundred episodes, and then share that post

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Speaker 1: be drawn as a winner. So with that said, to

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Speaker 1: wrap this up, big thank you to all of our

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Speaker 1: partners who have helped make this podcast possible. So thanks

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Speaker 1: to Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge, Bear Archery, Redneck, Blinds, huntera,

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Speaker 1: maps Ozonics, Carbon Express, Maven Optics in the White Tailed

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Speaker 1: Institute of North America. And finally, thank you all for

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Speaker 1: joining us. As I said earlier, it has been an

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Speaker 1: absolute privilege and honor to be with you for these

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Speaker 1: past one hundred episodes. So thank you again. Here's to

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Speaker 1: a hundred more. Until next time, stay wired to hunt

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Speaker 1: and the bird to distant