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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons.

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Speaker 1: We now know that our loved ones.

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Speaker 3: Have survived physical debt, and so will we. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife. Our guest today is Mark Ireland,

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Speaker 3: a friend I met eleven years ago at the very

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Speaker 3: first conference that I spoke at. He's the author of

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Speaker 3: two books, Soul Shift Finding Where the Dead Go and

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Speaker 3: the Persistence of the Soul Mediums, Spirit Visitations and Afterlife Communication.

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Speaker 3: Mark is also the co founder of Helpingparents Heal dot org,

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Speaker 3: with now somewhere around thirty five thousand global members. You

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Speaker 3: can find out more about Mark at his website, Mark

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Speaker 3: Ireland author dot com. Today's episode was meant to be

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Speaker 3: an interview, but you'll soon see it became an extraordinary

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Speaker 3: conversation between two old friends. Here's Mark.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Sandra. It's great to be here. So,

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Speaker 1: going back before I was even brought back into this field,

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Speaker 1: for a time being for experience. Growing up with that father,

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Speaker 1: you like to have a father like you. I've seen

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Speaker 1: And I was always really deeply touched, even as a child,

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Speaker 1: Reason helping parits heal exists really is because we're the

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Speaker 1: You can and we have every week there is at

432
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Speaker 1: least several zoom interviews with either or medium doing gallery readings,

433
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Speaker 1: or therapists doing talks, or other experts in other fields

434
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Speaker 1: related to this that are there. So you really to

435
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Speaker 1: get live access to those, you have to become a

436
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Speaker 1: member on Facebook. So there's a little protocol to go

437
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Speaker 1: through because we're trying to make sure we don't have

438
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Speaker 1: any infiltrators that aren't really brief parents getting in there

439
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: either to try and market their services, or skeptics who

440
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: want to try and debunk our mediums or whatever, which

441
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: is really a pain in the you know, but despite

442
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: those safe yards, I think it really provides a safe

443
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: environment for the parents who go in there. You're able

444
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: to post from the heart and be able to read

445
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: other people's posts in a very genuine and safe environment,

446
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Speaker 1: and then had access to those live zoom events and

447
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: so forth. Or if you don't want to do that, Yeah,

448
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 1: like you said, you can just go to the YouTube

449
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Speaker 1: channel and see a lot of these interviews that have

450
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Speaker 1: been done over the years, some curt ones and some

451
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Speaker 1: growing back a few years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on one of those going back a few years.

453
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about your books. Soul Shift came out first.

454
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Speaker 3: I want to talk about that, and then we'll talk

455
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Speaker 3: about your newer book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Soul Shift was really my memoir. It was created

457
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Speaker 1: through experiences that happened after bur End in past. So

458
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 1: really it started with me going through that day and

459
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: how it really just exploded my world and how painful

460
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: that was. But then it really served as a catalyst

461
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: for me to go back reevaluate my childhood and what

462
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Speaker 1: I saw with the father that I had. I mean,

463
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Speaker 1: how lucky I was to have a father that gave

464
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Speaker 1: you that level of confidence that we are a soul,

465
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Speaker 1: that we do continue on as opposed to someone who

466
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Speaker 1: just has to take a blind faith approach and hope

467
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Speaker 1: that their religion is correct. And then it traveled into

468
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: the synchronicities that happened, all the things that lined up,

469
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Speaker 1: and the experiences I had both directly and with mediums.

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Speaker 1: I would say early on, I told you about the

471
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Speaker 1: issue with my uncle. And then it was like three

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Speaker 1: weeks after I was watching a news excerpt where they

473
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Speaker 1: were talking about this mediumship study being done at the

474
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Speaker 1: University of Arizona at the time, where they would test

475
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Speaker 1: mediums under blinded conditions with people they didn't know. And

476
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Speaker 1: the first one I saw was Alison Dubois, who later

477
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Speaker 1: became famous because of the Network show Medium and she

478
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Speaker 1: really did well. He was given a lot of specific

479
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: information this family, she couldn't see them. Then afterwards the

480
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: debrief with the family and the family's like, yeah, she

481
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: nailed it, this was right. He gave what was the

482
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Speaker 1: relevance of the statements to the deceased person? And I thought, wow,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to get a reading from her. I'd love

484
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Speaker 1: to be in that lab someday. And I didn't know this,

485
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Speaker 1: but both things would later happen.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the break, and when we get back

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Speaker 3: you'll hear about a very interesting experiment and some more

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Speaker 3: words about Mark's psychic father. You're listening to Shades of

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Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain and you're listening to my conversation with

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Speaker 3: author Mark Ireland. Before the break, he was just talking

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Speaker 3: about hearing the wonderful medium Alison Dubois in thinking I'd

494
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Speaker 3: like to have a reading with her, and the coincidences

495
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: started happening.

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Speaker 1: I thought, Wow, I'd love to get a reading from her.

497
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I'd love to be in that lab someday. And I

498
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: didn't know this, but both things would later happen, And

499
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: in fact, the very next day, a man named Jerry

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Speaker 1: Concer from Dallas, Texas, who had known my father, called

501
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: me and he said, hey, Mark, I know what you've

502
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: been to and I know someone who might be able

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Speaker 1: to help you. Her name's Alison duba here's a phone

504
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: numb you can call for a reading. So I'm like, okay,

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00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: thanks Dad. I did get in that lab a year

506
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: later for a Discovery Channel episode, which was pretty cool

507
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: with a different medium, So that was like one of

508
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: a number of things that lined up. I did have

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Speaker 1: that reading with Alison later on. Two weeks before that,

510
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: a man who had known my father gave me a

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Speaker 1: box to contained a typewritten manuscript called Your Psychic Potential,

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Speaker 1: A Guide to Psychic Development by Richard Ireland. I'm saying,

513
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Speaker 1: what's this. He goes, well, your dad gave me this

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Speaker 1: for safe keeping before he passed, because you were out

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Speaker 1: of state at the time. And I said, well, that's

516
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: been twelve years ago. Why didn't given that to me now?

517
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: And he says, I don't know, I just feel like

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00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to. And then it was two weeks later

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00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: I had the reading with Alison. One of the first

520
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: things she said to me was, your father is showing

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Speaker 1: me a book, but I believe it's his book, but

522
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: he's handing it to you to take forward. Does that

523
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: make sense to you? So I'm like, oh yeah, And

524
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: then the one behold. In twenty eleven, I was able

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Speaker 1: to get it published, Your Psychic Potential For those of

526
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: you who are listening, Yeah, it's holding up. That's beautiful.

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00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: So that was pretty cool to kind of carry in

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00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: my dad's legacy. But I had a number of other readings,

529
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 1: also some direct experiences. I think the most phenomenal one

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00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: was probably involving my wife. Six months after the passing

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Speaker 1: of brand And we had gone on a seven day

532
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Speaker 1: cruise and it was intended to celebrate Brandon's graduation from

533
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: high school, but since he couldn't physically go with us,

534
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: we took our older son, Stephen, and Brandon's best buddy Stu.

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Speaker 1: The day that we got back, my wife went into

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Speaker 1: our bedroom and sat at the foot of our bed

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden felt a presence with her

538
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: and see Brandon as a shadow figure out of her

539
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: peripheral vision, and she just was so overwhelmed. But what

540
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: was really confirming about this was the very next day,

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Speaker 1: we got a call from a friend named James Linton,

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Speaker 1: who had borrowed Brandon's bass guitar before we left, because

543
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: James was a musician and he had his own in

544
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: home studio. So he called Susie out of the blue,

545
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: with no knowledge of what she'd experienced, saying, Susie, I've

546
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: got something to tell you, but I'm not sure how

547
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: to tell you. And he says I was in the

548
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: studio recording this song, and I felt another presence in

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00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: there with me, and I saw a shadow figure out

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Speaker 1: of my peripheral vision, and then I saw flashes of

551
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: white light, and I thought I was hallucinating. So he

552
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: said he got water, he took a shower, he got food.

553
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: But every time he came back, I got stronger and stronger,

554
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: until he finally said, Okay, Brandon, what do you want?

555
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: And then he felt guided to redo the bassline and

556
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: lyrics to this song It's called The Other Side. He goes,

557
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: this is the best song I've ever written, but I

558
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: didn't write it, So that was pretty phenomenal. Whether or

559
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: not you believe in honor writing and the idea of channeling,

560
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: I do, but you know whether you do or not.

561
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: The fact that he had an identical experience of my

562
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: wife the very next day with no knowledge of hers,

563
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: I think is pretty compelling. And then there were other

564
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: sessions and other things, but really was kind of my

565
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: own personal journey that took place. The next book of

566
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: the Persistence of the Soul really is a deeper dive

567
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: into this. So I still have the personal experiences and

568
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: many new ones that are pretty profound. Actually, in addition

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Speaker 1: what I put in that it's like a scholarly book

570
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: because I had in the research, so I share an experience,

571
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: and then I talk about the research supporting that, whether

572
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: it's been done a long time ago by the SPR

573
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Speaker 1: or more recently by like the Windbridge Research Center or

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Speaker 1: University of Virginia or Scottish Society of Psychical Research. I'd

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00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: say that if you can read them sequentially, I think

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00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: it'll go perfectly. But if you're more left brain science

577
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: minded and you want what's the scientific evidence for this

578
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: stuff along with your stories, the second book might be

579
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: more your cup of tea for people who love the

580
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: personal stories and that emotional part of it more. I

581
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: think the first week Soulship would be more for them,

582
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: but they do go hand in glove. If you want

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Speaker 1: to read them both, I'll just read Soulshift first. In

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Speaker 1: that case, what gives you the most passion?

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Speaker 3: Now, because I know you send out the newsletter quite often.

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00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: I like doing these for one thing. I mean, I

587
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: really enjoyed talking and having discussions and deep discussions with

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00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: people about these kind of phenomena. I'd see other things,

589
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: just like ideas for doing new sorts of research or

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Speaker 1: other kinds of ways to provide validation there is life

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Speaker 1: after death, or it's like there's a continuity of life,

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Speaker 1: or just experience one aspect of life in a physical body.

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00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: But I just think it's a continuum. I guess when

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Speaker 1: people die here, they're embraced on the other side, like

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Speaker 1: a newborn would be embraced here when they're leaving. If

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Speaker 1: you believe in pre existence, which I tend to be

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Speaker 1: that way, if the soul existed before it gets here,

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Speaker 1: they're being born in this world, and then when they're dying,

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00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: they're being born into the next world, and people are

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Speaker 1: way there for them that way. But I think new

601
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: in different types of research interests me, so I've tried

602
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: to think of ways that we could do that. There

603
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: is one experiment that Ian Stevenson at the University of

604
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: Virginia put together years ago that's never been solved, and

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00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing my best to work with some folks to

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00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: see if we can crack that. It's probably very, very

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00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: very difficult the way he formatted it, but what he

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00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: did was before he died, he took a combination lock

609
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: and set it to a lock box, and inside the

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00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: lock box there's a bunch of stuff. No one knows

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00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: what's in there, but if it ever gets opened, we'll

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00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: find out what he left behind. It's a six digit

613
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: code that has to be open to open the lock.

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00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: He correlated that to either a word or phrase, so

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00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: either a six letter or more words. But if it's

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: more than six letters, the first six letters would be

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00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: decoded in the numbers on a dcody sheet that he

618
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: left behind, or if it's like say eight words, it

619
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Speaker 1: would just be the first six numbers, or could be

620
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: exactly six letters, or it could be a six phrase

621
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Speaker 1: word and then it would be the first letter from

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Speaker 1: each word. The way he constructed it, it's just phenomenally

623
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Speaker 1: difficult because there's so many possibilities. He probably didn't really

624
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: know how mediums worked as well. I'm just guessing because

625
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: this area of expertise was reincarnation primarily. But I know

626
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: how mediums work, and for the most part, it's either

627
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: a thought comes into their mind, like they'll see their

628
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: clearity they hear. Most times, it's not an audio signal

629
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Speaker 1: they're getting. It's an idea pops in. And I've had

630
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: this myself, so I know what it feels like. Not

631
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: all the time, but I had had it, so I

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00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: have a sense for it. It's an idea or a

633
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: thought pops in. So it's a little difficult, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to be like some six word phrase or something

635
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: crazy that's going to make it pretty darn difficult, as

636
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: opposed to like if they could get an image of

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00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: something too, Like if it's an image of something that's

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00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: recognizable that's a six letter word, that would be probably

639
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: what I would have suggested for him to do. I'm

640
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: working on crack this thing. I don't know if it's

641
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: going to get cracked or not, but we're giving it

642
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: a go. It's kind of fun. Even if it doesn't work.

643
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: I think maybe it could provide an idea for another

644
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: one that's more like what I'm describing, where okay, maybe

645
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Speaker 1: it's just make it one word that you could get

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Speaker 1: an image to somebody a medium, so the image conveys

647
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Speaker 1: them the word to say, and then the word correlates

648
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Speaker 1: to the decoding of the numbers or something like that.

649
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: The other thing with this that makes it difficult is

650
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: because mediums typically say, like, the best readings you'll have

651
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: is with somebody where there's a loving connection with the

652
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: deceased and the living person. So if you make it

653
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: too sterile like this, where you don't necessarily have that

654
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: kind of energetic, loving connection as much. I have an

655
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Speaker 1: idea how I'm going to try and address this, but

656
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: I'll save that in case it works, and then I'll

657
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: explain that I don't know that he has any living

658
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: family left, or even if you did, would they be

659
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: willing to have a reading? Was that loving relationship real strong? Whatever?

660
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: But I think that's one of the hurt and so

661
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: I think in devising any kind of experiment like this

662
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: going forward, you really have to take those things into account.

663
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Speaker 1: The other thing is you have to find mediums that

664
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Speaker 1: are really, really good and that are willing to try

665
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: and do this, because a lot of them be like,

666
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm not going to bother with that. I don't need

667
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: to prove this to anyone. I'm here to help people

668
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: who are in grief. Some are willing and some aren't.

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Speaker 1: I think Linda Williamson in England once, when I was

670
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: trying an experiment of my own that's detailed in Persistence

671
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: of the Soul, gave me some feedback about that because

672
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: I had tried one involving my sister after her passing

673
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: where she left behind a secret message inside a seal envelope,

674
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Speaker 1: and then I tried to get from the different mediums

675
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: what was in the envelope, and I would just say

676
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: it was a partial success in my view at the end,

677
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: not the perfect success I wanted. But Linda had said too,

678
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: it needs to be something that is conveyed through the

679
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: loving relationship with the person who passed and the surviving person,

680
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: but also needs to be something that could be identified

681
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: by the medium. Each medium kind of has their own

682
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: role of the images and thoughts and things that the

683
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: spirit world taps into to figure out, Okay, how am

684
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: I going to convey this to them? I have to

685
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: use their own personal roleodex. So it might be like

686
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: if a person's name John, then they show the medium

687
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: the face of someone they know whose name is John,

688
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: even if it's not the same John, they notice a John,

689
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm kind of bouncing

690
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: around here. But those are some of the things that

691
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: interests me going forward. And also I am working on

692
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: another book. It's been slow going, but it's going to

693
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: be about what it was like for me growing up

694
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: with a father that I had, and some more of

695
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: those stories, along with accounts shared by other people who

696
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: I've met over the years. Some of them pretty fascinating,

697
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: and if you want, I'll share one of them. Yeah,

698
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: I'd love it. Okay, this one really makes you scratch

699
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: your head when you think about the nature of time

700
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: and our perception of what time is. I had to

701
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: talk a number of years ago when I was launching

702
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: one of my books, and before I started, a woman

703
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: approached me and she says, hey, Mark, my name's Normal Poling,

704
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: and I saw your dad a number of years ago,

705
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: and I have a story to tell you. And now,

706
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, my father would do a

707
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: psychic demonstration where he would take ten strips of Johnson

708
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: Johnson medical tape, which, if you're not familiar with, is

709
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: extremely strong adhesive. He put that over his eyes, and

710
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: then three black opaque blindfolds that you could not see through,

711
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and then more tape down below's eyes so no one

712
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: could say that there's some way he could see down.

713
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: And then he would ask people to write messages on

714
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Speaker 1: pieces of paper and send them up, and then he

715
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: would touch them and he would answer them. Usually he

716
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: went far beyond what was ever on the paper anyhow,

717
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: So even if he could see it wouldn't matter. You

718
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to give people that level of information.

719
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: He could give people serial numbers off of bills that

720
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: they would send up, even if they were in seal

721
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: envelopes and things like that. But anyhow, this woman normal

722
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: Poling went to see my todadd She says, I saw

723
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: your dad in nineteen sixty three, and he said to

724
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Speaker 1: write a paper and ask a question. And I thought, hmm,

725
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: should I ask whether I'll get my master's degree? Or

726
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: should I ask, well, I have a worth child, And

727
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: so she only wrote down while I get my own

728
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: master's degree. She sent the question up, and at the

729
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: end my dad answered her and said, yes, you'll get

730
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: your master's degree. And she said, oh, that's great. She

731
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: didn't know if she really would or not, but she

732
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: later did. She then said, I didn't see it that

733
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: for five years, but I came back five years later

734
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight, and same thing. But he asked

735
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: us to write a question. I wrote an entirely new question,

736
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: and I wrote my name Normal Polling, and I set

737
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: it up and then your dad got my question while

738
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: I was taped in blindfolded and said, oh, norma normal polling.

739
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: Oh I see you had that fourth child. Wow. So

740
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: that's the thing she thought of five years earlier and

741
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: never even wrote down. So there's a lot more to

742
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: the universe than we know or can understand.

743
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Speaker 3: Now, don't go anywhere. We've got some more great stories

744
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: with Mark coming up. You're listening to Shades of the

745
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a m

746
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

747
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. You can find out more about Mark,

748
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: his two books, his book that his father wrote, all

749
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: at the website Mark irelandauthor dot com. Mark had just

750
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: told us a story from his book, The Persistence of

751
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: the Soul Let's continue.

752
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: So that's one of the types of stories that'll be

753
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: in there. I had probably dozens of those kinds of

754
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: things from people. I just learned a new one last

755
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: week from a gentleman who's a geologist who was into

756
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: oil exploration, and my dad helped them target maps like

757
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: we're reserves could be found and things like that. So anyhow,

758
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: I've had an unusual life with the father's ad embarking

759
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: on my own path. Now I'm kind of in a

760
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: joint venture to preserve his legacy, but also to do

761
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: this other part which is really my own thing and

762
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: my own passion ultimately to really try and help people.

763
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need to keep interested ourselves. I will continue

764
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: to talk to people about the afterlife and the different

765
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: reasons to believe that. I keep digging in myself. And

766
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: you had mentioned your father and the fourth child. I

767
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: work very closely with a trance medium named Scott Milligan,

768
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: and we do sitting for healing. It's free, We send

769
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: healing all over the world, and then as a trance medium,

770
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: he'll go into trance and we can ask questions of

771
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: his spirit friend who will talk like an old English voice,

772
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: and we can ask any question life, death, in the afterlife. Well,

773
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: people type their questions in the Q and a box

774
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: on zoom. Scott's eyes are closed. He's busy talking or

775
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: Eric is his name that speaks to him. Well, what

776
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: happens so often is Eric will ask a question before

777
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: I have an op oportunity to ask it. Scott's eyes

778
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: are closed. He's either reading my mind or he couldn't

779
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: see through the screen, and he says, I know that

780
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: people that are here and I know the questions that

781
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: are in their heart, and that's amazing. And I had

782
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: sat in Scott's Home Circle once in England and I

783
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: had a few questions on my mind. They answered him

784
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: before I could even ask, and to talk about the

785
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 3: intelligence of the spirit world. So I love that. And

786
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: so we're in the process of putting together a book

787
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 3: of questions and answers with Eric and I love it.

788
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: And then another thing that I'd like to talk to Elizabeth,

789
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: maybe about you folks with helping parents heal interviewing this fella.

790
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: But many years ago, you'll remember al Botkin did the

791
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: work with induced after death communication IADC therapy using eye movements,

792
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: which is now the EMDR. The eye movements is the

793
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: gold standard helping people treating people with PTSD. There are

794
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: therapists all over the world that are doing this with people.

795
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 3: But there's a wonderful doctor in Adelaide, Australia named doctor

796
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: Tom Neimi who heard my episode with doctor Botkin and

797
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 3: he's listening. Can I movements really help people with grief?

798
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: And so many people get reunited with their loved ones

799
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: in the afterlife having these sessions. He said it sounds

800
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: too good to be true, but he had to follow

801
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: through because he said, as a psychologist, people would come

802
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: to him with grief and of course there's only so

803
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: many tools that you can use with people, but there's

804
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 3: still very sad and there's a lot of pain. So

805
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: not only did he learn this, but he conducted a

806
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 3: study at a university there in Australia and sure enough,

807
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: almost one hundred percent of people would have their grief

808
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: greatly reduced and seventy five percent of them would experience

809
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: their deceased loved one. So this is now just a

810
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: few weeks right that I've been really investigating. And I

811
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: interviewed him several episodes ago, doctor tom Nam He's great,

812
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: and I asked him, I said, can I do these sessions?

813
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: Would I be able to do it? And so I

814
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: had the two ninety minute sessions with him Mark, And

815
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: unfortunately the only way to get through this is to

816
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: actually relive the grief. You recall things and you get

817
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: to the most emotional state you can, which is tough.

818
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: Not everybody wants to do it, but that's how you

819
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 3: dislodge the pain from the memory. And so I would

820
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: talk about some memory and now I was crying my

821
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: eyes out. But then he had on his computer screen.

822
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: I could see it online a ball that was going

823
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: back and forth, and we do these eye movements and

824
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: then I would close my eyes and he's funny. He says,

825
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: it's like the game Whack a mole. Another memory will

826
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: come up with more grief, more emotion. And we just

827
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: kept hammering.

828
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: Him over and over and over.

829
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Speaker 3: And what happened was I would go back into the

830
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: memory and it wouldn't cause any pain or discomfort. I thought, now,

831
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: isn't that interesting. So my analytical minds thinking, do I

832
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: want this to be true? Is that why this is working?

833
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: So on day two, we had to go back through

834
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: the memories just to see if there's any more bits

835
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: of unprocessed grief, And sure enough, there was little things

836
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: that came up, but at a certain point I couldn't

837
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: find anymore. And so then I got an opportunity to

838
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: and this was my own creation, just talk to my

839
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: dad and what what I'd like to say, and then

840
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: we do the eye movements.

841
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: Well, this was the.

842
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: Coolest thing because in a little while we would just

843
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: do the eye movements, I would have happy memories of

844
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: my dad, and like a slide show, I almost witnessed

845
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: my life as a kid from his eyes. I would

846
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: make him like an ash tray even though he didn't

847
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: smoke and pencils, and I could feel him being proud

848
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: of me, and I could feel his love. And then

849
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there was a slide show that

850
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: happened so quick, like my mind couldn't take time to

851
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: create this. But it was loved ones who had passed,

852
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: and there are even people I didn't know that came.

853
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I got this feeling

854
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: like they were all standing right behind me, like I'm

855
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: not alone. That was a transformative experience, and I'm thinking

856
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: I want to get this out to as many therapists

857
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: as possible, to take this training and just to be

858
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: able to offer it. Yes, it's nice to have that

859
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: feeling of loved ones, but what's even better is I've

860
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: really tried to dig up some of the sadness. It's

861
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: not there. What's there are the memories, joyful memories. Those

862
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: don't go away. But anyone who's experienced that deep, dark,

863
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 3: horrific grief can't find it. So that's my latest. I'm

864
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: reading every book. I can on it. I want to

865
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 3: be able to share.

866
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: It's awesome after time. I remember Bodkins saying it was

867
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: the NDR, but he had some slight tweak to the

868
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: process did and I'm wondering what that it is.

869
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little extra. It's a little extra going

870
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 3: beyond the point when you I think you've had enough

871
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: for it.

872
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: So if you would just keep going, then.

873
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a little extra than that. And doctor

874
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: Botkin wrote the forward to tom Niemi's book. Oh, doctor

875
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: Bokin is now retired, and he is so happy that

876
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 3: somebody is taking the ball and running with it because

877
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 3: it is such profound therapy, it really is. And so yeah,

878
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: you got to be in the present moment to do it.

879
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: Turn off the analytical brain because my mind's trying to

880
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: figure it out. So I'm like, no, no, be present,

881
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: come up with the memories. And it's tough to do,

882
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: and not everybody is willing to dig deep into reliving

883
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 3: some of those painful moments. But I don't know how

884
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: it works. And I know it works again for PTSD.

885
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: It's the gold standard, and it works on Zoom. Yeah,

886
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: it works on Zoom. And it's not just the eye movements.

887
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: You can also cross your arms and you tap.

888
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: Okay. Interested in this because I know there are some

889
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: parents who no matter what we offer, it's still never enough,

890
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: and I think this kind of thing could maybe be

891
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: the breakthrough for them, those that never can get out

892
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: of that deep hole. That's very few, but there are some.

893
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: And I have a story to tell you about the

894
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: couple I know in San Francisco who went through this,

895
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: but it was someone else who did it. I can't

896
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: remember the name of the practitioner. But it was interesting

897
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: because the father went first and it took him a

898
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: really long time, like hours to get to the point

899
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: where he got into that, but he did break through,

900
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: and he saw his son and communicated with the son,

901
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: and the son said, Dad, this isn't going to work

902
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: for mom. And then he said, ask mom about the

903
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: color Code book. And then when his session was done,

904
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: he didn't say anything to the wife because he didn't

905
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: want to influence her. She went in, it didn't work

906
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: for her. Then she came out and he said, is

907
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: there something about a color Code book? And she goes, well, yeah,

908
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: before a son passed, I bought this book and we

909
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: were discussing it it was about different colors and how

910
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: they correlate to different emotions. So that was pretty wild.

911
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: They get that level of a specific, thick reference that

912
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: could be validated after the fact. So that told him

913
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: that this was a real encounter. Absolutely.

914
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 3: The title of the Doctor Tom Nimi's book Inspired Life,

915
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: Beautiful Death. People can just look back a few episodes

916
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 3: of this show, but he's got so many case examples

917
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: of those kind of things, and there's even verifiable ones,

918
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: like that's a verifiable bit of evidence because people in

919
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: that state, they're able to sometimes bring back information that

920
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: no one else could. So you're like me, we want

921
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: to share and we want to keep learning, and then

922
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 3: we keep sharing.

923
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's the end of the road

924
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: in terms of figure and stuff out and finding other

925
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: means of helping people heal, but also other forms of

926
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: evidence we haven't considered, or other ways to explore that.

927
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: And to me, that's kind of an area of passion

928
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: that seems like fun to keep me motivated too to

929
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: do more.

930
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we always need that. Well, Mark any closing thoughts

931
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 3: for the day. So happy that we've got to connect.

932
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: This is a great conversation. I may be redondant in

933
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: saying this. But I just think we're all here for

934
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: a purpose, whether we know it or not or remember it.

935
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: If we have to go through suffering, which we all

936
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: will at some point in our life suffer in some way,

937
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: but just hang in there and get through that because

938
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: you have a reason for being here, and see that through.

939
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: It'll be worth it in the end.

940
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: It'll be worth it in the end. Very true words.

941
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: When Mark spoke about his son Brandon passing and he

942
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 3: just wanted to connect, and he said he went into

943
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 3: a closet, a dark room and just tried to quiet

944
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: his mind, seiling off all other senses, and he got

945
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: that picture of him and feeling his presence. I know,

946
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: for me, it's very difficult to get out of my

947
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: own way, meaning that I want things, But am I

948
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: willing to do the work to get there. If I

949
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: had a magic wand for connecting everyone with their loved ones,

950
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: it would be a few things. One it would be

951
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 3: taking a class in mediumship with really good tea offer

952
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 3: a money back guarantee, so you'd see how your soul communicates.

953
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: So much of what we think is our imagination really

954
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: is communication from our loved ones. I always invite you

955
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: to our free Sunday gathering, and yes, I'd love for

956
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: you to attend, but you get to see how close

957
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 3: the spirit world is, and they're joyful. We do need

958
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 3: to have a level of commitment so that we're open

959
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: to receiving these signs and messages. Not to say your

960
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 3: loved ones can't turn on and off the lights, but

961
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: mine don't, and so they come through in more subtle ways.

962
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: Get a journal right to them and then pretend they

963
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: are writing back to you, believe it or not. That's

964
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 3: an entry way for them to start communicating. I wish

965
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 3: I could give you every experience I had in every

966
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: episode that you could listen to in maybe one hour

967
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: to know what I've experienced and to know the reality

968
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: of it all. But until then, we meet every week

969
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: on Shades of the Afterlife. So a reminder, come visit

970
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: me at We Don'tdie dot com. Enter your name and

971
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 3: email address if you like. At the bottom of the page.

972
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: I've got a bunch of free goodies for you. We

973
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: have a new medium class starting soon with Carrie and Phil.

974
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 3: It's a gentle path to spirit. I'm Sandra Champlain and

975
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: from the bottom of my Heart. Thank you for listening

976
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977
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Speaker 3: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

978
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979
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