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Speaker 1: if I could. It's Friday, February twenty first. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll be chatting with Tisha Allen, former pro golfer and

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Speaker 1: comes to women's empowerment and activism. Plus No Dumb Questions,

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Speaker 1: LPGA Tour Edition and NWSL Denver's asking for your help.

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Speaker 1: We remember a tennis pro who traded a racket for

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back, Happy Friday slices. Here's what you need to

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Speaker 1: know today in tennis news. Venus Williams the first black

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Speaker 1: NWSL dot com slash name. We'll be sure to throw

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Speaker 1: To college hoops a big ESPN tripleheader is headed our

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Speaker 1: for all you ruggers out there. Women's Elite Rugby is

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Speaker 1: It's always more fun when you got some skin in

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Speaker 3: And in pro vibes.

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Speaker 1: The PVF All Star Game takes place tomorrow in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: And who else to watch on tour this year when

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Speaker 1: She's a former professional golfer, host of the Welcome to

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Speaker 4: It's so good to meet you.

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Speaker 2: FAM. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: It's very exciting. It's a new world for me. I

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Speaker 2: It's a lot, daily shows, a lot.

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Speaker 4: to be around, so that they can see like you

433
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Speaker 4: can do it.

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Speaker 2: You can get there, yeah, and you can do cool shit.

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Speaker 2: You can golf through golf yeahah yeah. It is extremely

436
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Speaker 2: male dominated.

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Speaker 1: I actually spoke to the PGA of British Columbia probably

438
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Speaker 1: like three or four hundred folks last January, and there

439
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Speaker 1: were I think four women, because in Canada the LPGA

440
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Speaker 1: doesn't really have the same hold. If you're a professional

441
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Speaker 1: up there, you're often in the PGA instead, even as

442
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Speaker 1: a woman, and so all these pro it was like

443
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Speaker 1: helping them understand whether their policies and their way of

444
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Speaker 1: doing things was inclusive and actually welcoming women to their clubs,

445
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Speaker 1: into their spaces, or whether they were unintentionally perpetuating some

446
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Speaker 1: of those traditions that made women feel like they weren't allowed.

447
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Speaker 1: There's a great satirical video where they flipped the switch

448
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Speaker 1: and it looks like a guy is being allowed to

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Speaker 1: join his girlfriend at the club.

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Speaker 2: There's an all women's club. I love seeing it. Yeah,

451
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Speaker 2: it's a Hailey Ledbetter I think, is that.

452
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Speaker 4: Oh Hollie, Yes, oh my cours.

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Speaker 1: I love how So I'll share that video in the

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Speaker 1: show notes because it's such a great way of like

455
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Speaker 1: rethinking and being like, yeah, this is what it feels

456
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Speaker 1: like as women going into these spaces all the time,

457
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Speaker 1: and like seeing it flipped really.

458
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Speaker 2: Brings it to light.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got your background and how you've turned

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Speaker 1: golf into this amazing thing and made it more accessible.

461
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Speaker 1: We need our listeners and me too, to get a

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Speaker 1: little more information so we can jump in and understand

463
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Speaker 1: more about it. So it's time for No Dumb Questions

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Speaker 1: Golf Edition. So for the listeners that know a ton,

465
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Speaker 1: this will be a reminder, but for those of us

466
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Speaker 1: that want to get started and watch more, we're gonna

467
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Speaker 1: use my patented method for this stars Steak stats and stories.

468
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Speaker 1: So okay, I actually want to start with stakes first.

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Speaker 1: What counts as a great season in golf is that

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Speaker 1: like a couple of big tournament wins for a player.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely tournament wins really help your rankings. But at the

472
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Speaker 4: end of the day, it comes down to rankings. There

473
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Speaker 4: are two different ranking systems I believe one is called

474
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Speaker 4: the Rolex Rankings. The other one I'm blanking on, but

475
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Speaker 4: just know that they both matter because they weigh in

476
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Speaker 4: for big events for like, for example, the Solheim Cup,

477
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Speaker 4: which is our Team USA versus Team Europe event. It's

478
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Speaker 4: a big deal. Like rankings matter for that rankings also

479
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Speaker 4: matter for your pay. Essentially you can get bonuses. It

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Speaker 4: matters just for you know, you know, rankings because they matter,

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Speaker 4: and so that is essentially. Yeah, that's that's how it rolls.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So a couple big tournament wins is good?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Absolutely?

484
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Speaker 1: Are those bonuses coming from sponsors? Are they coming from

485
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Speaker 1: the LPGA, Like, if you're getting bonuses for your rankings,

486
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Speaker 1: where's that money coming from?

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Speaker 4: So oftentimes it is a lot from sponsors. They do

488
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Speaker 4: actually have a challenge. I believe it's also going on

489
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Speaker 4: this year. It's called the a On Risk and Reward Challenge.

490
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Speaker 4: And although that's not really a bonus, but it's another

491
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Speaker 4: it's another thing to.

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Speaker 2: Go fight TwixT season long.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, essentially like a humul. Yeah, it's basically where

494
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Speaker 4: Aon is a sponsor and they would at each event

495
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Speaker 4: they would have a specific holding sponsor and whoever has

496
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Speaker 4: the lowest average score on that hole and it's all comprised,

497
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Speaker 4: you know, uh, the compilation of all the tournaments and

498
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Speaker 4: they're a hole from each tournament. Whoever has like the

499
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Speaker 4: lowest you know, scoring average will win a million dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and my good friend angel Yann who's on the LPGA

501
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Speaker 4: tour one that was it. I would think it was

502
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three and and it was just like,

503
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's an amazing, amazing additional paycheck to end.

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Speaker 2: Kids in with, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like when I play in the like low

506
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Speaker 1: obviously clearly low level celebrity golf tournaments here where they

507
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Speaker 1: pair me with a bunch of guys from like a

508
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Speaker 1: construction company, there's always like one hole where closest to

509
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Speaker 1: the pin and get surprised or longest drive, and it's

510
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Speaker 1: specific to that hole. But it's like that on steroids

511
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Speaker 1: because it's across the entire liter and for a million dollars,

512
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Speaker 1: I did win.

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Speaker 2: Closest to the pin ones.

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Speaker 1: In case anyone was wondering, Okay, how can we tell

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Speaker 1: by looking at the calendar which tournaments are the biggest

516
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Speaker 1: and are probably featuring the top talent.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely so, usually when you're looking on a calendar, they'll

518
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Speaker 4: they'll typically have it bolded of some sort, or there

519
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Speaker 4: will be a note that it is a major. But

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Speaker 4: there are a few tournaments that that are very notably

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Speaker 4: clearly majors. For example, the US Women's Open, hands down,

522
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Speaker 4: very big one. That one takes place in the States.

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Speaker 4: Then there's a Women's British Open, which is essentially like

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Speaker 4: the US Open, but of UK, and it's just as

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Speaker 4: big and so and then.

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Speaker 2: And everyone can play in those.

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Speaker 4: No, you have to either qualify to be in there

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Speaker 4: or you have to have the correct you know, a

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Speaker 4: high enough ranking.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, like it's not a specific to British players.

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Speaker 1: And it's like the French Open for tennis.

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Speaker 2: Everybody plays and it it's just in France exactly.

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Speaker 1: So British Open, US Open might have similar fields, it's

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Speaker 1: just where they're being.

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Speaker 4: Held, correct, like Wimbledon or yeah right, yeah, US Open intests,

536
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Speaker 4: Yeah exactly that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there's five big majors. One of them is another

539
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Speaker 4: one is the Evon Championship. Again a sponsor name. I

540
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Speaker 4: totally get. It's so funny because as a golfer, I

541
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Speaker 4: don't think of it. It's just like, oh, I know

542
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Speaker 4: that's a major, but I'm like, oh my god, no,

543
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Speaker 4: other people may not know that's a big deal. So

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Speaker 4: there has to be like an addition.

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Speaker 1: I like, especially when the sponsors changed, because like one

546
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Speaker 1: year you'll be like, oh, I heard that's a big

547
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Speaker 1: one and the.

548
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Speaker 2: Next year is a different name. You're like, I don't know,

549
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Speaker 2: is that the same thing?

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Speaker 4: Good point? You know what, I'm gonna have to bring

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Speaker 4: that back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's talk stars. Yes, last year even the

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Speaker 1: most novice of watchers knew about Nelly Korda.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's a good place to start.

555
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Speaker 1: Seven events that she won LPGA Player of the Year.

556
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Speaker 1: Tell us more about her and what makes her.

557
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Speaker 2: So good, you know.

558
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Speaker 4: So Nelly has always been a very first late her

559
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Speaker 4: and her sister are very strong players. So there's Nelly

560
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Speaker 4: and Jessica Korda. So Jessica has taken a step back

561
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Speaker 4: and it's actually more on the commentating side now, but

562
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Speaker 4: she's had many wins under her belt too, And leading

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Speaker 4: up into last year, Nelly was always a very solid player,

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Speaker 4: like you would always see her in the top ten rankings.

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Speaker 4: But last year when she won six tournaments in a

566
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Speaker 4: row and then finished out with the seventh, I think

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Speaker 4: later in the season, like I don't think people really

568
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Speaker 4: understand the gravity of how insane that is, Like that's

569
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Speaker 4: a that's like a Tiger Woods year, you know. Like

570
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Speaker 4: and when he was in his Prime and and she

571
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Speaker 4: was literally unstoppable last year. And she even claims that

572
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Speaker 4: she went through a low point. I think any any

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Speaker 4: high level athlete will consider themselves like there's a low

574
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Speaker 4: point in any high But I'm like, girl, you still

575
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Speaker 4: won seven events, I think every.

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Speaker 2: One of the best years ever.

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Speaker 4: So and I think she already had a really strong

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Speaker 4: finish coming into this year. And this season just began,

579
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Speaker 4: so we're just now getting started. Mayor just don't happen

580
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Speaker 4: until the spring season, so it's really just warming up

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Speaker 4: basically up until then. But Nellie Corda you absolutely have

582
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Speaker 4: to watch. She's also a great follow and you know

583
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Speaker 4: she's growing to become more than just her ability, but

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Speaker 4: also her personality, which I think it's such an interesting

585
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Speaker 4: thing in golf because unlike other sports like WNBA and NWSL,

586
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Speaker 4: women in golf we are kind of trained to not

587
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Speaker 4: speak out right, like we've always been kind of like submissed,

588
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Speaker 4: you know, you don't don't talk outwardly about you know,

589
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Speaker 4: inequalities and stuff. And it's kind of just now becoming

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Speaker 4: more mainstream. And Nelly has also spoken about it, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, slow play, we need to fix this girl,

592
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Speaker 4: Like the girl's schedule. We need to fix this, and

593
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Speaker 4: so she should. She can because she's the best player

594
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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 2: So like using that influence to speak out.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned how golf culture has sort of historically

597
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Speaker 1: relied on women not speaking up and how it's a

598
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Speaker 1: different culture than other sports. And what we found is

599
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Speaker 1: in some cases the activism is actually what draws fans

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Speaker 1: to women's game, whether that's WNBA or NWSL, and maybe

601
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Speaker 1: has kept fans away from golf. For instance, a LPGA

602
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Speaker 1: has had some of the most restrictive policies when it

603
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Speaker 1: comes to trans athletes. Organization didn't make much of a

604
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Speaker 1: statement when Roe versus Wade fell. They had a recent

605
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Speaker 1: partnership with Barstool Sports, which I found really problematic. It

606
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Speaker 1: just feels different from women's leagues. Do you think that

607
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Speaker 1: the golf world realizes that the lack of activism and

608
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Speaker 1: the partnerships they choose maybe has prevented the sport from

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Speaker 1: growing a fan base.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I completely agree with everything you're saying, and

611
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Speaker 4: I think the hardest thing with golf, as I mentioned,

612
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Speaker 4: is that traditional background, right that you're raised and it's

613
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Speaker 4: always been raised to be a man's sport and we

614
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Speaker 4: have consistently pushed the boundaries, and I've always told everyone

615
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Speaker 4: that golf is always just a few years behind because

616
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Speaker 4: of the tradition. Like if I could, if I were

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Speaker 4: the commissioner and I got to have all to say,

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Speaker 4: I would literally be following exactly what the other sports

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Speaker 4: are doing. Because I truly believe too that the activism

620
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Speaker 4: is exactly what draws outside fans into the game, a

621
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Speaker 4: newer generation into the game. How can you play a

622
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Speaker 4: sport that you don't simply feel welcome in. I'm a

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Speaker 4: part of the LGBTQ plus community. I didn't see I

624
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Speaker 4: didn't see much voice in that until a lot later

625
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Speaker 4: in my years when I really needed it most, you know.

626
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Speaker 4: And that's why I speak so avidly about it, because

627
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Speaker 4: I'm like, God forbid, there's someone younger than me who

628
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Speaker 4: wants to golf and doesn't feel welcome, you know. Like

629
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Speaker 4: that's why I feel the need to press so hard.

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Speaker 4: So I do agree with you that I think that

631
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Speaker 4: the lack of activism or the lack of pushing harder,

632
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Speaker 4: I suppose because they I can't say that they don't

633
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Speaker 4: do nothing. They do, and I understand them to the

634
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: degree where if you. If you try and put anything

635
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Speaker 4: down your audience's throat, it will never be received well.

636
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Speaker 4: And I know that they're doing their best to try

637
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Speaker 4: and create change, but not in such a way that's

638
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: so drastic that it then creates like a huge, you know,

639
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: a huge negative reaction. And I think that's a really

640
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: hard balance with golf. Also, I think what's really difficult

641
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 4: is that golf is an individual sport. So at the

642
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: end of the day, for men and women combine. I

643
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Speaker 4: if I'm feeding my people, I'm feeding my cam do

644
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Speaker 4: I really need to look at her to get usher right?

645
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: But when you're in a team atmosphere, I feel like,

646
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Speaker 4: especially with like Women's Batall and the NWSLF, you have

647
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: your other teammates to give you the confidence to speak up.

648
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 4: You have other strong women who are like, if you fall,

649
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Speaker 4: I catch you. There is not a lot of that

650
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: in women's golf, and golf is such a solo sport,

651
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: literally blinders up because you're just training by yourself. That

652
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 4: I don't blame these women too, because they weren't also

653
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: given the tools and maybe not necessarily maybe also not

654
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: the knowledge to be able to speak on it. I

655
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 4: think a lot of them also feel uncomfortable because they're

656
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: still trying to figure out where they stand or the

657
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: right words, or they're afraid to get canceled.

658
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're with sponsors even you know, if sponsors are

659
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: wanting to be more traditional.

660
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 2: Has there ever been conversation about a union for the players.

661
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I think it's been brought up

662
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: amongst the They have like a leadership advisory board that

663
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: are the professionals, and I think that's I think that's

664
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: something that they definitely bring up. But it's also something

665
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 4: that they absolutely fight because there is not much protection

666
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: for let's say, the players on tour who are mothers

667
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 4: and need care right and or like paid to lead.

668
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 4: We don't get that you take time.

669
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Like a union might help and give that support that

670
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: maybe individuals need. Absolutely, by the way, you mentioned if

671
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: you were the commissioner. I know Molly Mark Cusimon is

672
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: stepping down, so there's an opening.

673
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just ring you know what.

674
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: I don't know how some of the players would feel

675
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 4: about that, but I promise I would always just do

676
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 4: right by them. I'll put the players first, you know,

677
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: I very much care.

678
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: She's already getting she's already getting her platform ready to go. Okay,

679
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: So who else has been atop the leader board pretty

680
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: consistently in recent years.

681
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: What's another name or two we should know?

682
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: So Lydia Coe. Lydia Coe, she is amazing. She she

683
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 4: won the Women's British Open last year and she has

684
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: I think two or all three Olympic medals under her

685
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: belt from the past, and she was a young starlight

686
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: still killing it on the tour and she she's just

687
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: someone that you want to follow, not only because she's

688
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: a great player, but she she has she's genuinely such

689
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: a really good human being, you know what I mean,

690
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 4: Like not jaded by by the industry or the media.

691
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: She just keeps doing what she does and she does

692
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: it very well. So Lydia Co. Absolutely, I'm gonna have

693
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: to throw out my friend who I mentioned before, Angel

694
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 4: Yan out there. She is a player who I feel

695
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: like has always been on the rise and she's had

696
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: one LPGA win, but I think she's just waiting kind

697
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 4: of like for that consistent winning moment. But she's always

698
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: been right there. She just finished I think top ten

699
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: in the last event, and she has a really big

700
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: personality and I appreciate any big personalities on the tour.

701
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: And the last one that I will say is Megan Kang,

702
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: who is also another like always been top twenty player.

703
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 4: She played in last year's Solheim Cup, which I mentioned

704
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 4: was a really big tournament and Team USA took home

705
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: the win. Thank goodness we got the cup back. And

706
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 4: she's also just an amazing personality. She's not afraid to

707
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: dance on the golf course. She's not afraid to, like, hey,

708
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 4: like pump up the you know, bring the crowd up

709
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: and whatnot, and like that's that's I think what we

710
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: need more of in golf. And I think that the

711
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: younger generation of golfers that are now coming into the

712
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: league or into the tour are bringing that energy.

713
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: And I think there's probably, even if it's unspoken or

714
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: sort of subconscious, if you enter a space that's been

715
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: more welcoming to women throughout the entirety of your life,

716
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: you're more likely to bring some spice to it than

717
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: women golfers who arrived at a time when there were

718
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: still so many clubs that didn't even allow women members,

719
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: and that's so clearly discriminated against women in the space.

720
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: I think with every year that passes where it's more normal.

721
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: There's more sponsors and funding and interest and resources for

722
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: women golfers, they feel more comfortable demanding more. We've seen

723
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: that across every single sports space. When a league is

724
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: more secure and solid, the athletes feel more empowered to

725
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: speak out about the things that they want to need. Okay,

726
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: let's talk stories. Are there any players you just mentioned

727
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: a couple, but any other players we might fall in

728
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: love with if we knew more about them. I'm thinking

729
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: about they're representing a group that isn't usually seen in golf.

730
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: They've got a fun side gig, they're coming back from injury,

731
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: They've got a great social media presence. I'm thinking in

732
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: part like Charlie hall Oh, I hadn't really heard much

733
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: about her. I saw clip where she's like bumming a

734
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: sig off someone in the gallery in the middle of

735
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm not advocating for that. I hate cigarettes, but I'm like,

736
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: this is a unique person that I need to hear

737
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: more about.

738
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Speaker 2: Why is she smoking heaters midway through the match?

739
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 4: Yes? I mean gosh. Charlie is also another big fan

740
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: favorite and shout out to Malbourne. It's a it's a

741
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: golf brand and the way they've brought streetwear into golf,

742
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: and she is wrapped by them, and so she's playing well,

743
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 4: she's ripping cigarettes and she's looking good out there, and

744
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: she honestly, she.

745
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: Just gives no it's a vibe.

746
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah what we not. We advise, but but she is

747
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 4: definitely a player to look out for because she she

748
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: also just had a win last year and she is

749
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: a player that she like nothing fazes her, Like you can,

750
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: you can do no wrong by her. You can try

751
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 4: and heckle her, you can do all you want. She doesn't.

752
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 4: She doesn't care. She literally does not care. And I

753
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: love that about her. So definitely her, I think, gosh,

754
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I know I keep bringing up Angel, but

755
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: she's she's such a good she's such a good story,

756
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: and I think I'm waiting for that big moment for her.

757
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: Lily Avou is another one. They're kind of like Angel

758
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 4: and Lily kind of I feel like, always competed together

759
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: when they were younger coming up, and Lily is a

760
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: very strong player as well. Was also in the Sol

761
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 4: Hymn Cup, and I think she she also had a

762
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 4: few injuries, and so I think for her, waiting for

763
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 4: that big moment it's hard in golf because you you

764
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 4: lose far more than you win, right Like, if anything,

765
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 4: if you're you're lucky to have a win in your

766
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 4: career period. But you know, I recently also began this

767
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: podcasting journey, right and I just had a couple young

768
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: girls on my pod, Christine Christine Wang and Amari Avery,

769
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 4: who are USC grads. They're in the Middle League tours,

770
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 4: fighting the way to the top, and I think that

771
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 4: they're just great personalities. One is a lot more social

772
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: media heavy, really shows it behind the scenes of professional

773
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 4: golf life. And amar Avery, who has been a star

774
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: like golfer, was on justin Timberlake's documentary show called The

775
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: Short Game or something like that on Netflix, and and

776
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 4: she's up there. She's already played a few LPG events

777
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 4: and so just very excited to see the younger generation

778
00:34:58,719 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 4: and come into the scene.

779
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: You've mentioned Starlight twice. Is that a lower level kind

780
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: of golf?

781
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't say that. It's more just like they

782
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 4: are just feature stars in the making.

783
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: Okay, got it. Yeah, And they are assigned that specific

784
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: name or is that your own?

785
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 4: That's just my own?

786
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: Okay.

787
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: Maybe it was like all star Lights like I thought

788
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 4: it was like a like a league or they're just

789
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: like they're just cute, but.

790
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: You have your own my little star lights.

791
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

792
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: I just wanted to point out because this is something

793
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: I was surprised by when I was researching for the

794
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: show Lexi Thompson retiring. She has this massive name in golf,

795
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: and then I looked, and she has fifteen professional wins. Okay,

796
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: that's not a lot for how long she played. It

797
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: is a lot for golf though, Like if you don't

798
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: know about golf and you're like, she played how many

799
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: years and she won fifteen times? And that helped me

800
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: kind of put into perspective and recognize that to your point,

801
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: you're lucky if you get a win a season and

802
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: you could still be one of the best players in

803
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: the world.

804
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 4: Right I think that. Yeah, again, very different from other sports, right,

805
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: like if it's not like basketball and soccer, where there

806
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 4: is a winning team at the end of the day, right,

807
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: like half of the people are going to be happy, right, Well,

808
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 4: in golf, there's really one person that's happy. And even

809
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 4: though second and third and fourth and fifth, they're they're

810
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 4: becoming great, you know, purses and money bags, but they're

811
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: still not happy because they came here to win, and

812
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 4: every tournament you're going up against ninety plus top female

813
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: golf in the funeral, right, So when you look at it,

814
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 4: Alexi's record at the end of the day, she turned

815
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 4: pro when she was sixteen, so yeah, her career was

816
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 4: really long. But anyone who has double digit wins at

817
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: the end of their career, in my opinion, I'm like,

818
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: you're goaded because it's really which is why.

819
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: It's so insane that Nelly Quarter won seven times in

820
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: one year. Yes, which is now we're putting it all

821
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: together exactly how this works? Okay, stats for the novice interviewer,

822
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: how can they look at a golfer's final scorecard and

823
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: figure out how they've done, especially since it clearly depends

824
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: on the course.

825
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 4: This is where golf gets kind of interesting and intricate.

826
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 4: So what's what's really neat is like, if you actually

827
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 4: are an avid golf follower, if you download the LPGA app,

828
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: you can literally hit every player and you can do

829
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: it live. You can see their shots live, and you

830
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 4: can actually see their legitimate statistics live there, which I

831
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: think is actually very interesting if you want to know.

832
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 4: So for example, some statistics that you want to know

833
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 4: are like average score. That's that's like the very very basic.

834
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 4: The lower your score, the better, And I think Nelly

835
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 4: had like an average of a sixty nine or lower.

836
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 4: And so for those that are completely brand new to golf, right,

837
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 4: the average the par of a given golf course on

838
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 4: average is seventy two. That means that you want if

839
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 4: you want to beat the course, seventy two is a number.

840
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 4: Well just to average seventy two is already a stretch.

841
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 4: And Nelly averages a sixty nine three shots below averaging.

842
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: That means that she had a lot of scores that

843
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 4: were like sixty three, sixty four, sixty five. That is

844
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: incredible to be able to get an average at that,

845
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 4: Like players would die to just have to score sixty

846
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 4: nins all the time. So that is a stat you

847
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 4: also want to look at. And then if you're really

848
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: really into it, or maybe you're already a golfer that's

849
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 4: like wanting to get into it more and you're like, oh,

850
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: I want to compare my stats, then you can look

851
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 4: at like the average fair aways hit, the average greens

852
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: hit on average, the LPGA Tour hits. I think about

853
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: thirteen greens, so there's eighteen holes. If a player averages

854
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: thirteen greens, that means that they're getting it on the

855
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: dance floor around thirteen times per round. I think many

856
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 4: people think that oh, every pro just hits the green

857
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: every single time. Won't know they miss often, They just

858
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: know how to recover. So it's actually a really interesting

859
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: interesting thing to compare men's and women's stats because women

860
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 4: are just far more accurate. They may not pound the ball,

861
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 4: you know, three hundred and fifty four hundred yards like

862
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 4: the guys, but the accuracy in comparison, I think if

863
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 4: I remember, it's like a woman's five iron is comparable

864
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 4: to like a man's nine iron, which means a five

865
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Speaker 4: iron is a much longer club, it's a much more

866
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 4: difficult club to hit, and they're able to have the

867
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Speaker 4: accuracy of a man's nine or eight iron. That's pretty crazy.

868
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 4: So yeah, saying women are pretty cool, Well.

869
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can look at something like drive length

870
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: and be impressed by it. But somebody could have the

871
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: longest drives and not be and then have many more

872
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: shots coming down the course that they have to make

873
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: up for the fact that their drive one into the woods.

874
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: Or otherwise. Okay, so this is just personal for me.

875
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: When the average golfer, not a professional, talks about his

876
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: or her handicap, what number should I pretend to be

877
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: super impressed by?

878
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: Single digits?

879
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: It's like, yes, absolutely single digits. So remember when I said, like, okay,

880
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 4: the if a score average is seventy two, and someone

881
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: says they're a scratch golfer, that means that they average

882
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: seventy two even with really, so scratch is good for

883
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 4: the longest time, I was a scratch player. Now I

884
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: kind of say I'm like a four because and people

885
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: take the money.

886
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: That's in context of, like, obviously, since it's so impressive

887
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: that Nelly Quarter is under that, that's a scratch golfer

888
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: for like an average course you'd go out to at

889
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: your local club, which is not the same as being

890
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: a scratch golfer at professional courses.

891
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: Correct.

892
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 4: Well, actually, if you were to give Nelly a handed handicap,

893
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 4: so when you actually average underpar, it's kind of like

894
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: a mind twist. You put a plus in front of

895
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 4: the number. So if I'm yes, like let's say I'm

896
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Speaker 4: a four handicap, she's probably a naga or sorry, a

897
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Speaker 4: plus like six point something if you actually were to

898
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: do the numbers. Yeah, right, And it's just it's insane,

899
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: like how how good the pros are? So basically, if

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Speaker 4: you're chatting it up and you're going to like a

901
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: celebrity golf event and they're like, oh, I'm a single,

902
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 4: I'm a single handicapper or I'm scratch. If they I

903
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: think are saying they're under like a six handicap, I

904
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: think that's a pretty strong player. And very quickly, very quickly,

905
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Speaker 4: when I'm playing in these events because I do a

906
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Speaker 4: lot more celebrity events now that I'm doing media, they're like, oh, yeah,

907
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 4: I'm like a two or three, and I can see

908
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 4: if I can see there they're swinging their first swing

909
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: on the first hole, and I see the result. I'm like, immediately,

910
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 4: like your lives you just know too long?

911
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: I just know.

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00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just tell everyone when I arrive, I don't have

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00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: a handicap, so that's.

915
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: A great how rarely I play, yes, and I'm gonna.

916
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Blast the ball every once in a while, and then

917
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm also just gonna just take another ball out of

918
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: my bag and drop it wherever we think my ball

919
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: might have landed that we can't find. Yeah, okay, final

920
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: question for you, what are some tips to help us

921
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: be a better golf viewer? Like, what can we watch

922
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: for besides just whether the ball goes into the fair

923
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: wind then goes in the hole.

924
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: Well, if you want to have just like better education

925
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 4: on it, I do think that whether it's just simply

926
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 4: following your favorite players, like maybe you don't know much

927
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: about golf, but but you love the idea of Nelly,

928
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 4: We'll go follow her, go support her. I love that.

929
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 4: If you want to actually get to follow golf, absolutely

930
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 4: follow the LPGA tour and turn on your freaking TVs

931
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 4: and go tune in. Because the annoying fight that I'm

932
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 4: sure other sports go through too, is like, oh why

933
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: invest in women's golf, like the viewership and that there

934
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: is no ROI yeah whatever, bs right, Like, I think

935
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Speaker 4: it's unfair because we never had the platform given right.

936
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Speaker 2: You have to give it a chance.

937
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 4: You have to give it a freaking chance. Yeah, And I'm like,

938
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 4: we can say tune in all this and whatnot, But

939
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Speaker 4: then again, like the LPGA isn't even given as many

940
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: cameras as a PGA tour, So how are we going

941
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: to even showcase as many women, right, But the best

942
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: we could do is tune in when the tournament is on,

943
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: show some love, especially on social media, and really just

944
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: like get that conversation going with other influential people around you.

945
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 4: I do it all the time. I'm constantly talking to

946
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 4: whether it's investment funds or what have you, like, invest

947
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: in women's golf. Investing women's golf and watch the culture change.

948
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: You have to help the girls change the culture. It's

949
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 4: hard to just count on them individually because it is

950
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 4: an individual sport. Like, let's give them the tools and

951
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: the confidence so they feel like they have a team

952
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 4: behind them.

953
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: Well, you're doing that.

954
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: You're doing that whenever million followers, you're half a million

955
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: followers and your podcasts, so everyone go check it out.

956
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: Thanks so much. I learned a ton on this, so

957
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: thanks so much for coming on.

958
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 4: Of course, I'm so happy to be here.

959
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Tish for joining us. We have to

960
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: take another break when we come back. One two sport

961
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: athlete who took things to a new level.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Backslaces.

963
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: It's Black History Month and we're continuing to highlight the

964
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Speaker 1: journeys and contributions of black trailblazers in the women's sports space.

965
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: In honor of our LPGA combo with Tisha Allen, we

966
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: thought it'd be fitting to talk about the first black

967
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: player on the LPGA Tour.

968
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Speaker 3: Althea Gibson.

969
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: Gibson was born in South Carolina in nineteen twenty seven.

970
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: When she was about three, she moved to New York

971
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Speaker 1: City to live with an aunt, and at twelve she

972
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: started playing tennis at the Harlem River Courts. As you

973
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: might already know, she was a star with a tennis

974
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: racket in her hand. Althea went on to become the

975
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: first black player to win a Grand Slam in nineteen

976
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Speaker 1: fifty six and amassed eleven combined Grand Slam titles in singles, doubles,

977
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: and mixed competition before she walked away from tennis. As

978
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Speaker 1: great as she was, she couldn't make enough money playing

979
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: tennis to sustain herself, so she made a change before

980
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: her tennis success. When Gibson was a student at Florida

981
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: A and M in the nineteen fifties, she took a

982
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: golf class and, according to Rex Miller, who directed the

983
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: PBS documentary filma, the things she learned and it stuck

984
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: with her, so when she put her racket down, she

985
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: picked up a golf club under the tutelage of Jerry

986
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: Volpe at New Jersey's.

987
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: Englewood Golf Club.

988
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: Volpe was a local legend and was horrified by how

989
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: little money Alpia made. Is the best female tennis player

990
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: in the world, so he gave her an honorary membership

991
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: at Englewood. Gibson honed her skills and joined the LPGA

992
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: Tour in nineteen sixty three at thirty six years old.

993
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: She never won any of the one hundred and seventy

994
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: one events she played between then in nineteen seventy seven,

995
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: but she was one of the LPGA's top fifty money

996
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: earners for five years. She also worked closely with LPGA

997
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: Tour director Lenny Wurtz to help create a more welcoming

998
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: tour for players from all walks of life. Her presence

999
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: was arguably more important than any trophy she could have hoisted.

1000
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty three, the year she joined the tour, was

1001
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: the height of the Civil rights movement. It was the

1002
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: same year as the March on Washington where Martin Luther

1003
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: King Junior gave his I have a dream speech, and

1004
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: it was only two years after the Professional Golfers Association

1005
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: of America got rid of the Caucasian only.

1006
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: Clause in its bylaws.

1007
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: With all the racism and bigoted vitriol toward black folks,

1008
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: Althia Gibson's desire to persist and to pursue what she

1009
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: wanted simply because she wanted to was an act of resistance.

1010
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: Althea's talents and curiosity didn't stop there, though. Over the

1011
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: course of her life, she also learned how to box,

1012
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: became the New Jersey Athletic Commissioner, released an album called

1013
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Althea Gibson Sings, and wrote a memoir titled I Always

1014
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: Wanted to Be Somebody. Gibson passed away in two thousand

1015
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: and three. To this day, only seven more black women

1016
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: have earned LPGA Tour membership. In our interview, you heard

1017
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: Tisha talk about how the intense tradition steep so deeply

1018
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: in golf culture makes it hard to see change. Well,

1019
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: it feels like it's long overdue to push back on that,

1020
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of work left to do to make

1021
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: sure that golf is accessible to everyone. We love that

1022
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: you're listening slices, but We want you to get in

1023
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: the game every day too, So here's our good gameplay

1024
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: of the day. Take a page out of Super Slice

1025
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: Amanda's book. You might recall that on Valentine's Day, we

1026
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: asked y'all to tell us what sports dating show you'd

1027
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: make if you had the power of a production company

1028
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: behind you. Well, Amanda wrote us with some awesome ideas.

1029
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: She wrote, Hello, Big Citrus. If I had the power

1030
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: of a production company behind me, there are two league

1031
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: or sports dating shows I would.

1032
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: Want to watch.

1033
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: Pimp My Bride WNBA fans bring their fiancees to a

1034
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: rotating team of fab five WNBA consultants for lifestyle advice

1035
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 1: and tips before the big day. Episode one, Skyler Digg

1036
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: and Smith Fashion, Dja Carrington Hair and Makeup, Diana Trassi

1037
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: Food and Wine, Natasha Cloud Dancing, Sid Colson Culture and

1038
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: social media trading. Okay, I want to stop there for

1039
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: a second, Amanda, because I obsessed with this idea. It's

1040
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: like Pimp My Bride, plus says to the dress plus

1041
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: queerye for the strake guy.

1042
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: What do they call that now? Just Queeri?

1043
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: Either way, it's one of my favorite shows that it

1044
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: brings me joy every single episode and I am obsessed

1045
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: with this idea.

1046
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: We need to pitch it immediately.

1047
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: Okay, back to Amanda, she also wants to see Beauty

1048
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: and the Beach hard knock style docuseries that follows the

1049
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: relationships and drama of the AVP Tour partner selection breakups, training,

1050
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: coaching changes. Okay, basically, I want an hour of guilty

1051
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: pleasure watching beautiful bodies and bikinis running around on a beach.

1052
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: Thanks again for crushing it. I love the show and

1053
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: appreciate the listener engagement call outs. It's a highlight of

1054
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: my day. We hear you, Amanda. Whether it's bikinis or shorts,

1055
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: there is something for everybody at an AVP tour. And

1056
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: I say, this is someone who used to hop in

1057
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: my car drive to whatever beach had an AVP championship

1058
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: and they go to the bar and try to comfort

1059
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: the tall, lanky athletic men who lost that day.

1060
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Speaker 3: I don't think we need to get into any more

1061
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: of that.

1062
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: We're picking up what you're putting down, Amanda, and if

1063
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: any other slices have ideas, please send a bar way.

1064
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: We always love to hear from you.

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00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: Hit us up, bunnymail good game at Wondermedia neetwork dot

1066
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: com or leave us a voicemail at eight seven two

1067
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: to two four fifty seventy and don't forget to subscribe

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Speaker 1: a rate and review. It's easy watch rapper and LSU

1069
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Speaker 1: baller Flage Johnson, rating five out of five stars as

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Speaker 1: a hooper and performer review. In a recent social media post,

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Speaker 1: the LSU star shared the criticism that she hears as

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Speaker 1: a young woman trying to live out two two big dreams.

1073
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Speaker 1: Quote too dark, too tomboyish, not feminine enough pretty for

1074
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Speaker 1: a dark skinned girl, not focused, too skinny, no sex appeal,

1075
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Speaker 1: be a rapper, just twop. I can only be me.

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Speaker 1: What I'm doing has never been done before. And I'm

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Speaker 1: shattering expectations by pursuing multiple passions. And I won't be

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Speaker 1: held back by doubts or comparisons. If I don't excel

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Speaker 1: in one area, it doesn't diminish my abilities in another.

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Speaker 1: I'm a trailblazer and my path isn't defined by societal norms.

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Speaker 1: How can I inspire young girls to defy limitations if

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Speaker 1: I don't embody that courage myself. I know my worth,

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Speaker 1: my work ethic, and my unwavering dedication. I will not

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Speaker 1: be confined by the opinions of others. I'm an unstoppable force,

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Speaker 1: breaking barriers and redefining what's possible. I won't be silenced, diminished,

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Speaker 1: or held to unrealistic standards. I'm a beakit of empowerment,

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Speaker 1: and if you can't handle the intensity of my greatness,

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Speaker 1: then this isn't the space for you. I'm fearless and

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Speaker 1: I'm unstoppable. Love it or hate it. I am mean

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Speaker 1: and you may never see this again, So enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Hashtag anomaly whoof damn yes everything you said, Keep at it, Flage.

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Speaker 1: You are doing big things and you are changing the game.

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Speaker 1: And it's clear that the haters are jealous and the

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Speaker 1: doubters are small minded.

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Speaker 3: You believe in yourself and that's what matters.

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Speaker 2: Now it's your turn.

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Speaker 1: Slices, rate and review. Thanks for listening. Have a great weekend,

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Speaker 1: See you next week. Good Gabe, Tisha, Good game out

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Speaker 1: thea you cigarette smoke in Vegas hotels and casinos, The

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Speaker 1: Absolute Worst. Good Game with Sarah Spain is an iHeart

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Speaker 1: women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Production by Wonder Media Network.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Alex Azzie and Misha Jones. Our executive

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Speaker 1: producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan, and Emily Rudder.

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Speaker 1: Our editors are Emily Rudder, Brittany Martinez, and Grace Lynch.

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Speaker 1: Our associate producer is Lucy Jones and I'm Your Host

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Speaker 1: Sarah Spain