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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. We want to talk about runs with

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Speaker 1: you today, Not the elder Scroll runs, not the elden

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Speaker 1: Ring runs, but the Kensington runs.

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Speaker 2: This is cool stuff. I'm remembering this episode as I

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Speaker 2: take a look at some of the information here, and

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Speaker 2: this is one of those things find an artifact that

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Speaker 2: doesn't It appears to be out of place, right, there

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be this type of writing in this place from

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Speaker 2: this time.

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Speaker 3: Strange.

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Speaker 2: But for today's episode, we're coming to Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, classic Viking territory. Right. This is the

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Speaker 1: idea that what modern historians call the Vikings made it

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Speaker 1: way past Newfoundland into the interior of what we call

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Speaker 1: the United States. And they did it way back in

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Speaker 1: the thirteen hundreds, and they left absolutely no trace except

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Speaker 1: for a mysterious slab of stone.

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Speaker 4: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 4: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul, Mission Control decand most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. As we've explored in

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Speaker 1: previous episodes, our species knows roughly when and how human

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Speaker 1: beings first reached the continent we know of as North America,

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Speaker 1: but we still continue to search for more concrete that's

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Speaker 1: going to be such a horrible pun later answers about

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Speaker 1: who these people were. And as most of our fellow

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Speaker 1: conspiracy realists know, many of the things children are taught

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Speaker 1: about in North American history later turned out to be

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Speaker 1: either misleading or holy false. The best example of this

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Speaker 1: Without dating ourselves, guys, do you remember being taught about

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Speaker 3: Any sale Ocean Blue in fourteen ninety two, oh forever? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the the Nina, the Pinta, the Santa Maria, all that stuff,

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Speaker 2: And I remember how exciting it was to say that

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Speaker 2: quickly right outside of that, you know, as far as

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it's strange because a lot of kids,

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Speaker 1: But obviously, current historical research indicates Columbus was far from

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Speaker 1: the first European to reach what we call North America. Right,

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Speaker 1: But if this explorer was not the first, then who was.

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Speaker 1: According to one group of researchers, the answer may be

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Speaker 1: found in a slab of rock located, of all places

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this word spread pretty quickly through Douglas County.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't trying to put one over on this guy.

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Speaker 2: What was going on on the surface of this strange

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Speaker 3: On the surface, scraped into it with some sort of

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, we're gonna get into it later. But

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Speaker 1: Also, it's the mayor of a rural area, so this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or know that time that that one big fella

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Speaker 2: I really hope some of you also teleported on Ruins

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Speaker 1: No, it's a skull omance thing. They're teaching those kids' spells,

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Speaker 2: Whoa thirteen sixty two. These ruins are describing a couple

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Speaker 3: And we're back talking about potentially magical artifacts found in Minnesota. Uh,

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Speaker 2: allegedly in the thirteen hundreds. So I guess what I'm

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00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: trying to wrap my head around. I was reading this

434
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Speaker 2: story from the is It What is It? The Minnesota Post,

435
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: and they're discussing Vinland and the route through the west

436
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: from Vinland and what where that would be from where

437
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: it would actually be located. And I'm genuinely a little

438
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: bit confused because it seems as though it's a bit

439
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: unknown where Vinland is. Ben can do we have maybe

440
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: I just don't have it in my research, like actually

441
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: where it is located? So in current US.

442
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so right now, right now, the popular consensus is

443
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: that what we what was described as Vinland by Leif

444
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: Ericsson and co. Is probably an area that includes Newfoundland

445
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: and the Gulf of Saint Lawrence and maybe goes as

446
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: far as New Brunswick. So really it's it's Canadian, okay, okay,

447
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: but but it is. It is a wide range and

448
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: it is accepted as fact that these people arrived there

449
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: in one thousand CE. We just don't know what happened

450
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: in the thirteen hundreds.

451
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: Well, and if you definitely want to learn that's an

452
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 3: historically accurate account of what Vinland was. There is an

453
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: anime manga series called Vinland Saga, so that would be

454
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: the place to go. I'm kidding, but it is interesting

455
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: when a country like Japan, you know, portrays a culture

456
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: like the Viking type situation. It's very I don't know,

457
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued by this because it does appear to be

458
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: like Viking ships and swords and that kind of high

459
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: jinks looks pretty interesting. But so what would what land

460
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: mass would we attribute it to, like if does it

461
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: still exist or find anything about? Oh, it's just North America,

462
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: just part of it, okay.

463
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: Interesting, it would be like the eastern upper upper eastern

464
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: coast of the North American continent. But from what we

465
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: know in the earliest accounts of Viinland, it was described

466
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Speaker 1: as it was first written about in ten seventy five,

467
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: and it was described as these remote islands. So imagine

468
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: you get close, you find some islands, and you think

469
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: we've gone really far, we should turn around. They didn't really,

470
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: from what we understand, they did not know the enormity

471
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: of the land mass that they were very very close to.

472
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: That makes sense, So Vinlands at this point is we

473
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Speaker 1: should also say it's the idea of these early Viking

474
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: floors of one thousand CE. It's a very popular idea.

475
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: It's in a lot of conversation. It's in the zeitgeist

476
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: in the eighteen nineties in Europe and in the US,

477
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: so someone would probably know someone in Minnesota would have

478
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: heard this story, especially given the massive Swedish population, they

479
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: would have been familiar with this, and that's why it

480
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: got so much interest from the media. There was a

481
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: flurry of investigations. We're talking scholars and linguists. They dive

482
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: into this description and they're fighting back and forth like

483
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 1: what kind of runic system is this? How old is it?

484
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: That's the big question, right, And then historians and scientists

485
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: are doing the same kind of thing that we were

486
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: just doing, where they're essentially pulling up a map and

487
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: they're going, okay, fictional boat, how does it get to Minnesota.

488
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

489
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: Well, dude, there's it's it's fascinating. If you just read

490
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: that translation, doesn't it call the place where the tablet

491
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: ends up an island and not just a hill?

492
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: Right?

493
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: So that, right that alone makes the mind start wondering, well, wait,

494
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: what was this flooded? And unless you know the historical

495
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: record of the area you have extremely accurate information on that,

496
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: your mind may think, well, perhaps it was a lot

497
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: of a lot of this was flooded at some point,

498
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Speaker 2: even if it was only on a temporary basis, to

499
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Speaker 2: where this this whole area could be traversed by ship

500
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: or by boat rather than on on foot on land.

501
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, we know the

502
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: geography can change, right, especially over over time. That's the thing.

503
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: If you're if you're hearing about this, and you're not

504
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: a scholar of ancient languages that are somewhat of scure,

505
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: and if you're not a forensic expert or a professional historian,

506
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: then this sounds like it's at the very least, it

507
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: sounds like it's an interesting thing, and it sounds very possible.

508
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: The stone itself ended up getting sent to some professionals

509
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: especially one professor George O. Kerm, who was a philologist

510
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois. And so so he

511
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,239
Speaker 1: looks at it. He looks at this draft people are

512
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: figuring out about based on what we know about the inscription.

513
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: And when he looks at this first draft, he is

514
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: he's got a little spark of hope, right, are we

515
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: about to learn more about hidden history? But then he

516
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: inspected the language on the stone itself. You know, when

517
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: he when he did a firsthand investigation, he can't really

518
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: really puzzled, and it led him and many others to ask,

519
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: what the heck is going on? What is the provenance

520
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: of this stone? Will answer the question definitively afterward from

521
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Speaker 1: our sponsor.

522
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy.

523
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta say it. It's fake.

524
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: What no, Yeah, just like that, Just like that, it

525
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: gets crazy.

526
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: It's fake.

527
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: It's well, it gets a little crazier than that. But

528
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: the stone itself is ninety eight percent ninety eight point

529
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent a hoax. At least it might be

530
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: an historical hoax like the Shroud of Turin or something spoilers,

531
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: but but this has proven pretty definitively they're big problems

532
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: with the stories. There's not just problems with the uh,

533
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: the story of the farmer finding it. There's a problem

534
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: with the story that's on the stone map.

535
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: Problems right like problems and.

536
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: The farmer selling it for ten bucks, even if it

537
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: was two hundred and sixty bucks. Come on, this is the

538
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: thing's incredible ten bucks.

539
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look for the Vikings ships to have made a

540
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: fourteen day journey from Alexandria to where they ended up.

541
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: The only possible route they could have taken was from

542
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 3: Hudson Bay, which is eight hundred miles as the crow

543
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: flies longer if you take a more winding path like

544
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: a river, and having to pick up the boat and

545
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 3: put it back down, which is a word I learned

546
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: today called portage, and a particularly difficult distance to manage

547
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: in fourteen days in the way that it was described

548
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: here on the stone, the route through the west from Vinland,

549
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: that whole situation, whose location in thirteen sixty too would

550
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: have been unknown. That's a thing we've all kind of

551
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: struggled with us. We were trying to pick this thing apart,

552
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: and no other record of this expedition has been found

553
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: literally anywhere. So why would explore us, who had just

554
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: suffered such a massacre stop to carve in these beautifully

555
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: ornate and organized characters this stone inscription.

556
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: I would you know, just a counter a little bit

557
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: to that last part of there. I mean, if maybe

558
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: the belief is that all is lost, you want to

559
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: warn anyone else who's going to be coming this way

560
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 2: about something. Maybe you don't have enough information. So as

561
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 2: one of the men is dying, he's carving furiously trying

562
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: to get a message into this stone before he leaves,

563
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: or before his party leaves, or and he perishes. Just

564
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: putting it out there. This feels very video game like

565
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: to me or movie like, but just as a possible

566
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: reason to make them look like that.

567
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: Maybe a testament to the lives lost, uh, maybe some

568
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: way to make a mark before they themselves disappeared. Would

569
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: say that we do need to point out there were

570
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: no bodies found in the vicinity of the stone that

571
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: we know of.

572
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

573
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: And it's also it's a good question, we don't know

574
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: why this would happen in a vacuum, why there would

575
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: be no other uh, no other secondary source. If it's

576
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: a true story, then perhaps the grizzly fact of the

577
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: matter is that uh, the author, along with the their

578
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: cohort all died. Maybe no one made it back to

579
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: tell the tale of their you know, their their woefully

580
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: unfortunate trip. But okay, so that's a that's a huge

581
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: problem the math. These folks were mavericks. If they were

582
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: able to, if they were able to uh sail to

583
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: this various place in a way that would have required

584
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: them to at some point pick up their boats, physically

585
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: carry them across the ground, put them in another water source,

586
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: and continue on their merry way. That's a lot. But

587
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: there's another problem with the story, and I hate to

588
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: say it's a it's a problem with the farmer. It's

589
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: very very strange. I'm not calling them a liar, just

590
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: say it's very strange that Oloff would not have recognized

591
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: something familiar about rooms. Because remember, he grew up in

592
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: Sweden during a time when Scandinavian children were often taught

593
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: about rooms. He was not a I guess we wouldn't

594
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: call him a highly educated man, but that doesn't make

595
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: him unintelligent. He was literate. He had a small library

596
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: at his house, and some of those books had you

597
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: guessed it runs in.

598
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: Them, Okay, so then we have to wonder if the

599
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: inscription itself the message, if it was genuine. Hmm, well,

600
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: if someone were to inscribe something in uh, what did

601
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: we call it?

602
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 3: That?

603
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: That's a fun word that we just gray gray whack.

604
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: If someone were to you know, inscribe this thing in

605
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: grey whack, they would have to at least have an

606
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: understanding of what these ruins meant, how to put them

607
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: together to form, you know, sentences with meaning. And you know,

608
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: if the farmer does have these books, he did grow

609
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: up in a place where he learned at least parts

610
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: of this language. I don't know if he had the

611
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: nerve or the wherewithal to pull up a prank or

612
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: even a quick way to make ten bucks.

613
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: The worst way to make ten dollars.

614
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: Ever, that's a lot of work to put in.

615
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: Like how long does it take the look, I've never

616
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: I imagine it would take a long time to carve

617
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: something into stone, right, So if you average out this

618
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: is maybe us being cheap skates. But's if you average

619
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: out that ten dollars across however many hours it would

620
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: have taken to make this, it's not a great gig,

621
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

622
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's two hundred and sixty, Like if you

623
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Speaker 2: were being commissioned to build a piece of art in

624
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 2: stone for two hundred and sixty dollars, that feels that

625
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: feels cheap to me for an ornate piece of stone.

626
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

627
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: Hey, it's also kind of an odd prank, right, Like,

628
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we're talking about it. Obviously it got

629
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: some attention. You know, it was put up in the

630
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: drug store slash bank whatever, whichever one it was, combination

631
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 3: drug store bank. But what do you think the end

632
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: game was just to make a fuss, just to get

633
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: people excited or riled up.

634
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,959
Speaker 1: That's a good question. And there have been some people

635
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: who guessed that this conspiracy, and it is a conspiracy

636
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: if it's a hoax. There have been some people who

637
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: guessed that it had more than one involved, more than

638
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: one person, that one of Oman's friends pastor former pastor

639
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: named Zvin vogel Blod. Vogel Blod may have helped him

640
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: out because Sven had a knowledge of ruins. And according

641
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: to a couple sources, again this is touchy. This is like,

642
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: this is like the Syrian sources writing about the assassins.

643
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: You know, there are sources who say that both of

644
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: these guys, Spinn and Olaf, didn't like academics, they didn't

645
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: like the Ivory Tower. They resented them for some reason.

646
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: So maybe this is like a little a little fillip

647
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: toward them, or you know, a bite of the thumb.

648
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: Just a quick philip. Yeah, that's the word for it,

649
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 2: you know, I know, I just we never heard anyone

650
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: in like twenty in the whatever this era is referred

651
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: to flipping someone a quick philip.

652
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: I love it, I love it. You know, it's funny.

653
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: We mentioned at the top of the show how this

654
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 3: sort of reminded me of the Georgia guidestones. I think

655
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: one misconception about the Georgia guidestones is that they're a hoax,

656
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: is that they're meant to be interpreted as some sort

657
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: of ancient artifact, like some sort of Stonehenge type situation.

658
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: But you know, it's certainly something that the mind might

659
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 3: jump to when just seeing it cold, because they do

660
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: appear to be these ancient kind of carved, you know,

661
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: granite slabs that very much resemble a stone hinge. But

662
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: obviously we know at the very least the mystery behind

663
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: that is what the identity actually was of the man

664
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: who paid to have them erected and designed. But we

665
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: know that a man did have them erected design with

666
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: the full cooperation of the city and the you you know,

667
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: bought the plot of land and all that stuff. So

668
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: that's different, but still very interesting in that they are both.

669
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 3: You know, the guidestones are sort of meant to resemble

670
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: something that could be taken as ancient, but it serves

671
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: a much more modern purpose. I understand the meaning and

672
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: the point behind the guidestones. I don't understand the meaning

673
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: and the point behind this.

674
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: If it were a hoax, right right, right, Yeah, So

675
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's a key question because we don't

676
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: have definitive proof that well off omen made these things

677
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: as a jolly prank. In fact, he never admitted a hoax,

678
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: even unto his deathbed. Again, as we said, he wasn't.

679
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: He clearly was not out to become wealthy from this,

680
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: and he was adamant he stuck to his story. He

681
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: was steadfast about his version of events until his death,

682
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: and he stuck by the story even when the the

683
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: academics that he reputedly resented came back with problems with

684
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: the inscription itself. They first analyze it in eighteen ninety nine,

685
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: right same year it gets reported, and a lot of

686
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: these experts dismiss it as fake. Back then, they say

687
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: there are too many discrepancies in the form and the vocabulary.

688
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: Because they're like the Indiana Jones top men. They get

689
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: together and they say, okay, look, we are experts in

690
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: a very specific field. The known language is of fourteenth

691
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: century Scandinavia, and we checked with each other, and none

692
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: of us think this is legit. They were saying that

693
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: back in eighteen ninety nine, early nineteen hundreds. Most experts

694
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: since then have agreed. But even if you say, even

695
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: if you say, well, maybe this person was just writing

696
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: in a weird way. Around half of their friends were dead.

697
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: It was a very trying time. They were very stressed out.

698
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: Even if we accept that, we have to ask ourselves

699
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: about the age of these things, the condition of the rock.

700
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're you know, they're picked up in eighteen

701
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: eighty nine, right, and if you're talking about what is

702
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: that five hundred years that they would have been laying there,

703
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: or yeah, more than five hundred years that they had

704
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: been laying there, you'd think that the stone inscriptions would

705
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: have just been worn to nothingness, or at least worn

706
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: heavily after all that time of just the elements and

707
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: laying there being you know, scraped. I know it doesn't

708
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: sound like much, but being scraped by roots and by dirt,

709
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: and as water runs underneath it every time it rains,

710
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: and all these other things. The weird thing is, though,

711
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: to me, is if it's laying on its face and

712
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: it isn't directly being hit by rain and debris all

713
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: that time, I don't know, I feel like it would

714
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: degrade less so than if it was facing up. But

715
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: but maybe that's just my ignorance as to how things

716
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: actually get weathered and what five hundred years can do

717
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: to something. But you know, I know that's certainly in

718
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: question here. Why were the rooms still so intact and

719
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: seemingly pristine?

720
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: I see you're saying, if it was like mounted like

721
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: a tombstone upright, then it would be spared more like

722
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: then if it were like you know, mounted on the

723
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: ground facing up, then probably that amount of time the

724
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: ruins would have been completely wiped away.

725
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: You know, Well, I guess what I'm saying is because

726
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: of how it was found, correct, me if I'm wrong, Ben,

727
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: But I think it was found face down. Yeah, you

728
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: don't see the ruins. You see just the rest of

729
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: the greywack stone. You pick it up, and then you

730
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: see the.

731
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: Rooms that certainly would have preserved it. I would imagine.

732
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: That's my thought, But I know that experts at the

733
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: time were just saying, I hear you know, I hear

734
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: what you're saying, Matt. This is what the experts would

735
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: have said. Hear what you're saying, Matt. But we're talking

736
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: about five hundred years.

737
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Well, also over yeah, over five hundred years, would root

738
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: systems of other trees not have broken gulfed it? Yeah,

739
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: and golfed it, broke in more of the stone into

740
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: bits or you know, eroded. At time, weares on things,

741
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: on all the works of man. So maybe we can say,

742
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: what about the most popular poplar tree in town in

743
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety eight, how old was the tree? They did

744
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: an interesting thing, not super scientific. The tree that held

745
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: the stone was destroyed by nineteen ten, but people went

746
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: back to the site. They looked around the area, They

747
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: saw other poplar trees, like a nearby hopes of poplar trees,

748
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: and they had local saying Okay, these poplars are around

749
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: the same size, they're around the same age. And then

750
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: the experts knocked down some of those trees and through

751
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: the magic of dendo chronology, they figured out that those

752
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: trees were probably between thirty to forty years old. So

753
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: the age of that, if that gives us information about

754
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: the age of the tree where the stone was supposedly found,

755
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: then we know that that root system had engulfed it

756
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: within thirty to forty years. Again, if this is true,

757
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: because another person who was at the excavation site later,

758
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: who visited it, a county school superintendent named Cleve Van Dyke, said,

759
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: hold on, those trees are only ten or twelve years old.

760
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: But you know he said that in a Minnesota accent.

761
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: I imagine, and I.

762
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: Were just tempted. Haven't attempted a Nordic accent yet or

763
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: a Scandinavian ben you promised us a buick off mic.

764
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: What we were talking. We were sorry.

765
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: I don't mean to throw you under the prse.

766
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: There we go worth it.

767
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: But just I hear you about the trees like that,

768
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: that makes a whole lot of sense as to why

769
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: it would have ended up where it was. If those

770
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: trees were only that old, right, Just to jump back

771
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: quickly to the inscription and the age possibly of that

772
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: there was there's an analysis in two thousand and three

773
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: done on the actual inscriptions the ruins that are you know,

774
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: inscribed into the rock. And there's a person Scott F. Walter,

775
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: who conducted this analysis, and you know, according to him

776
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: in his study, they were around two hundred years old,

777
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: So that would put them in the eighteen hundreds. We're

778
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: talking about eighteen ninety eight, eighteen ninety nine when they're

779
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, first discovered and studied. It's an interesting thing

780
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 2: because to me, I know that two hundred years isn't

781
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: come on. That's not an exact number of years that

782
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: these inscriptions have been on there. But that gives you

783
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: a pretty at least a good idea of how old

784
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: they were, rather than seven hundred years, six hundred years,

785
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: five hundred years. But it is interesting to think that

786
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: at least in one analysis it put the range of

787
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: only around two hundred years rather than you know, the

788
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: five hundred six hundred year range.

789
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: Right. And even that even that measure is controversial, right,

790
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: You'll find a lot of people who reject that. I

791
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: just have to say, with this cast of characters, who's

792
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: the guy who made Spinal Tap Best in Show?

793
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 3: Christopher Guest Christopher Guests.

794
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, feels like Kensington Runestones would be a great Christopher

795
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: Guest film.

796
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good idea, would be.

797
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: There's a there's a really great, very small part in

798
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: Waiting for Guffman where David Cross plays like a historian

799
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: or something and he's talking about you know, he's like

800
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 3: a UFO enthusiast, and he said, in this circle it's

801
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 3: always two degrees colder with a five chance of rain,

802
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: like he's out in the field. That's the only time

803
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 3: you hear from David Cross in that movie. But I

804
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 3: love that part, such.

805
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: A wonder shot. A bunch of other stuff, and then

806
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: it just ended up getting cut on the on the

807
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: cutting room floor because.

808
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 3: They play, they have a good time with those movies.

809
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: It's all, you know, mostly improv I think, with like

810
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: a skeletal outline. So I wouldn't doubt that there's probably

811
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 3: some good outtake somewhere out there in the world.

812
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,959
Speaker 1: Well, Chris, if you if you're listening to the show,

813
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: let us know when we can expect your feature film

814
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: on the Kensington runestone and whether or not it is

815
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: a hoax. This there's one thing that I held back

816
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: on that I think I think is substantive and should

817
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: be mentioned. There are a lot of people in the

818
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: area today, especially who say they believe in the veracity

819
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: of the roomstone. Now is that a measure of sincere

820
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: belief or is that sort of like a regional pride thing? Right?

821
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: Like how I was going to say, like how Atlanta

822
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: still supports the Falcons, But I don't.

823
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: Think like Blaine, Missouri and their stools. You know, that

824
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: was another Christopher Guest reference.

825
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, let's give it, let's give them both

826
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: in But there was one great comparison I read from

827
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: a linguistics expert about this. I'm just going to read

828
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: this line to you, guys, just the one line. Remember

829
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 1: when Neil Armstrong landed on the moon in nineteen sixty

830
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: nine and said, LMAO, this is tight. That's that language

831
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: is off by about fifty years, says linguist Jackson Crawford.

832
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: And his argument is that the language of the Kensington

833
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: rumstone is off by about six hundred years. He's an

834
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: old Norse specialist with a PhD. So, in his professional opinion,

835
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: this was written far after it claimed to be written.

836
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it may have been written

837
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: around the late eighteen hundreds.

838
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: Hmmm, strange and suspect. It really just brings you back

839
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: to the question why would someone do this? And if

840
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 2: it was the farmer, well, then why would he? I mean,

841
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: why didn't he sell it for more money? Why didn't

842
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: it become a tourist attraction of some sort. We've seen

843
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: on this show several times throughout the years where in

844
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: places across the United States, a hoax of some kind

845
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: will begin and it takes on a life of its own,

846
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: and even if it has proven to be a hoax,

847
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: it becomes a museum or a place where you can

848
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: go and see it, and you know, the person who

849
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: found it or the family can prosper from it, even

850
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: if it is considered a hoax by everybody. I mean,

851
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: it's it's something that can happen, and it didn't seem

852
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: to happen that way for all off. It's just it's

853
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: very weird, and you didn't come forward to say, oh, yeah,

854
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: this was a hoax. Later on in life, nobody else

855
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: did either, So maybe Olof did discover something that someone

856
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: else hoaxed, which is a possibility that we can't completely

857
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: throw away. But it's just I don't know, none of

858
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: it feels right, or maybe maybe it just doesn't amount

859
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: to much. I guess that's why there's such a problem

860
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: with it when I'm thinking about it. However, you can

861
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: go and see it right now. It still exists, and

862
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 2: it's in a museum.

863
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Speaker 1: In the Runstone Museum right.

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00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, the ruins Stone Museum that you can visit now,

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Speaker 2: though maybe you don't want to go in person, maybe

866
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: you can do it virtually. But if you were going

867
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 2: to go in person, it's at two oh six Broadway, Alexandria, Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: five six, three oh eight. And you know, there's a

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00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: phone number you can call and you can see all

870
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: this stuff and learn more about the runestone itself, at

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00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: least according to the museum at Runstone Museum dot Org.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And while you're there, why not make a day of it.

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00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: The Runestone Museum is just across the way. It's walking

875
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: distance from the Legacy of the Lakes Museum. And I

876
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: kid you, not a gigantic Viking statue.

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00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: Nice? Well, then the Runestone, by the way, at the

878
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: museum is displayed beautifully. It looks incredible on that website.

879
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: You can see lots of pictures of it. There's some

880
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 2: videos in there, there's I think a few ships like

881
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: Scandinavian ships, and there's a whole scan in in heritage

882
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: exhibit there. That's I mean, I would say it's probably

883
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: gonna be worth your time. I'd love to go.

884
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agreed. I would also love to check this out.

885
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: You can see the story of this, you can get

886
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: a map of the county there. You can also visit

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00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: the Kensington Runestone Park, which is a short drive from

888
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: the museum, and you can learn more at the Kensington

889
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: Heritage Society. We want to say again there are people

890
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: like there are people who believe that this is an honest,

891
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: the gosh nis Viking relic, and then there are other

892
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: people to be cannedid the majority of academics who believe

893
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: that it is in some way an historical hoax. But

894
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: don't let that ruin a good trip to the museum,

895
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I that's one of the

896
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: only things I miss is I miss museums. You know,

897
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: miss handshakes. Those are always those have always been weird yeah,

898
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: but museums are great.

899
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, museums were nice in zoos.

900
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well yeah, the Atlanta Zoo is back up and running.

901
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: It's it's got COVID safe precautions in place with they

902
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: only let a certain number of people in and I

903
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 3: went and it wasn't too bad, and that's a good zoo.

904
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: I think the Atlanta Zoo is a good zoo because

905
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 3: it's a lot of the animals that are in there

906
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't survive in the wild, which maybe some people take

907
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: issue with that version of events. I understand that, but

908
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 3: it does it. It's okay with me.

909
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. And just because the Kensington Roomstone is likely a hoax,

910
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that Viking relics other Viking relics aren't real.

911
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that there are not more strange tales

912
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: of a free Columbus era exploration from Europeans. You'll you'll

913
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: see all kinds of arguments. There's there's one that's pretty

914
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: interesting about Greek contact in the fourth century BCE, because

915
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: a guy named J. Richard Stepfi looked at the construction

916
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: of a Greek ship from the fourth century and found

917
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: they used a mixture of agave leaves and pitch where

918
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: does a gave grow? Interesting? Right, it's not proof, but

919
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: it's it's not fire, but it's smoke. You can also

920
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: learn more about theories about the priory of Scion and

921
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: things like that which are of varying lausibility, and the

922
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: legend of Saint Brendan, the Irish Monk. The list goes on.

923
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: But I think if we are doing due diligence and

924
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: admitting when something seems like a hoax, even though the

925
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: story about it would be cool, I think what we're

926
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: doing our due diligence there, we have to be careful

927
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: to remember that this does not in thesess, This does

928
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: not automatically mean every other controversial historical relic is I'm how.

929
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: A hoax, oh, one hundred percent. And I think it's

930
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: important that we keep that kind of thing in the

931
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: backs of our minds whenever we're exploring something like this,

932
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: Like even if everybody says it's a hoax, let's at

933
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: least think about it on the base context of what

934
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: everybody else is working with before passing judgment. I think

935
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: that's important. And to that end, we very much want

936
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: to know what you think about the Kensington runestone, and

937
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: you know, any other thing that we just mentioned a

938
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: few moments ago, but the Kensington Runestone in particular. Have

939
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: you been, have you seen it? Have you heard any

940
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: tales about it? I'd love to know your experience at

941
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: the museum again, just so I can live through through

942
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: your experience as I miss museums along with Ben and

943
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: Noel and Paul. But yeah, you know what other kind

944
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: of stuff about, you know, pre contact, pre Columbus contact

945
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: from Europeans here in the Americas. What do you think

946
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 2: about all of that stuff? You can contact us. We're

947
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: all over social media on Twitter and Facebook, we are

948
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: conspiracy stuff. On Instagram, we are conspiracy stuff. Show that's right.

949
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: If you want to get a hold of us in

950
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: a different way, you can join our Facebook group, which

951
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952
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Speaker 3: to get in. Just a name and name, any name

953
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: will do. An interesting name, a name from conspiracy history,

954
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: but preferably a name of myself or matter Ben or

955
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:28,440
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956
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,160
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957
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, someone had a great pun and I was

958
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: laughing so hard that I just approved you. And I'm

959
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: sorry I should have saved it for the air. But yes, yes,

960
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: let us know. We try to be easy to find.

961
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: If you don't sip the social needs. If going online

962
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: is not your bag of badgers, that we have a

963
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: different ruinstone for you to hit up to contact us.

964
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: Check out the series of numerical hieroglyphs on your phone,

965
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: your telephonic device, and uh cast a spell, you know,

966
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,480
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Speaker 2: That's right, real poor on one eight three three std

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01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: w y t k real poor everyone.

971
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Speaker 3: Uh well, in my head, baby, that's all good. That's all.

972
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Speaker 2: There's there's three people listening that got that, And I

973
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: hope you appreciate it as much as I do.

974
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think we're I think we're lost. Man,

975
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: we're trying to Yes, that's all good.

976
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Speaker 2: Guys, Just gather as much blood moss and man man

977
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: drake roote. I think if you just gather a bunch

978
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: of that, you need those reagents.

979
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: What was that one from the Skyrim man the dragon yell?

980
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: Those were rune based, weren't they? Yeah, fos the one

981
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Speaker 3: fa hey, And if you don't want to do any

982
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983
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