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Speaker 2: What is going on, Vikings fans?

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Speaker 3: We are less than one week away from the start

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Speaker 3: of mandatory mini camp as all eyes are set on

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Speaker 3: which player will make a lasting impression before the pads

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Speaker 3: come on. Today on the Minnesota Vikings Podcast, we chat

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Speaker 3: with Matthew Coller who takes a deep dive into each

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Speaker 3: position on this Vikings roster as the full team will

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Speaker 3: be on the Gridiron next week. Exciting show today, Let's

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Speaker 3: get writing to it. Welcome to the Minnesota Vikings Podcast,

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Speaker 3: resented by Pepsi. This is episode two seventy four of

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Speaker 3: the Eric Davidson produced show My Name Is Gabe Henderson

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Speaker 3: and Inside the TCO Radio studio here in Egan Today

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Speaker 3: is the crew Tatum, Everett and j Noteson from Vikings

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Speaker 3: dot com, as well as our special guest Matthew Coller

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Speaker 3: from The Purple Insider. Coler, it's been a while since

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Speaker 3: we've had you on, but you know we are a

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Speaker 3: big fan of your work and we have been following you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Yeah, seriously, welcome back. I wasn't sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's been a while. I wasn't sure if

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Speaker 2: End of the season, maybe okay, last few most.

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Speaker 1: Maybe life, maybe a lot of lives just happened between

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Speaker 4: I was counting the day and then when Gabe texted me,

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Speaker 3: Actually, so you sent me the text us? I said, Ben,

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Speaker 2: And then he was like, Hey, was this meant for

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Speaker 4: You can't then say it was meant for Ben. Then

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Speaker 3: I was like, Coler, this is actually for you, and

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Speaker 5: and getting them the ball, they know what that's like.

438
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Speaker 5: So there is a little bit of pressure there for

439
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 5: the new people within the building to produce and be

440
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 5: able to get them the ball in order for them

441
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Speaker 5: to make plays.

442
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 4: And that's the hardest thing to figure out, is where

443
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 4: do we set the bar for this team, for this offense,

444
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 4: For Sam Darnold, for JJ McCarthy. It's like if you

445
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 4: could run through a bunch of different scenarios, that would

446
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 4: be pretty good. The not good scenario is if no

447
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 4: one well, of course, but if you know Sam Donald

448
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 4: plays half the season and then it turns over to

449
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 4: McCarthy and then he has his ups and downs as

450
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 4: every rookie, is that a success for the season.

451
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Speaker 2: I think it probably would be.

452
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Speaker 4: If Donald is competitive for the whole season and we

453
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Speaker 4: don't see McCarthy at all and they're in it playing

454
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Speaker 4: against Detroit for a spot in the playoffs, I think

455
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 4: that's pretty successful for where this team is. So for

456
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 4: even both quarterbacks, like, where do we set the bar

457
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 4: if McCarthy doesn't play, Are we cool with that.

458
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: I am.

459
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 4: I don't know if the fans at US Bank Stadium

460
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 4: will be if Sam Donald throws an interception, they're going

461
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 4: to want to see the rookie and so forth. But

462
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 4: I do think that because part of what I do

463
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 4: is live chats and things like that with fans. I

464
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 4: think fans get it with this team, like they get

465
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 4: kind of where they're at and what the expectations for

466
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 4: this year should be.

467
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Speaker 3: That's the fun part of it all, right, Like there's

468
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 3: no at least for me, Like I don't have any

469
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 3: expectations for this team, and I think going into training

470
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 3: camp knowing that that makes everything that much more light.

471
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 3: Like you're you're you're able to be more surprised when

472
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,959
Speaker 3: you have a breakout like that receiver. I know one

473
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: of your articles on the Purple inside of You're you're

474
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 3: talking about wide receiver depth and like outside of Justin

475
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: Jefferson and Jordan Addison, like there are so many unproven guys.

476
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 3: So there's I mean, you got Brandon Powell there, but

477
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 3: like there's so much room for people to be able

478
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: to make plays and step up into rows, which ultimately

479
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 3: makes training camp that much more fun.

480
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Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot of those situations, I think on

481
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 4: the whole team. Even defensive tackle is one where we're like,

482
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 4: what's a Jerry Tillery gonna bring and things like that.

483
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 4: But I also don't want to sound like it's just

484
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 4: vibes this year. There is there is a line for that.

485
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 4: There's a like, if it doesn't go at least this well,

486
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 4: sort of you need to be this tall to get

487
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: on the ride. You gotta be this many wins or

488
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 4: we're gonna go. Okay, that was a failure because this

489
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 4: team does have a lot of talent to it, and

490
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Speaker 4: if they hadn't brought in Sam Darnold and it had

491
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Speaker 4: just been Nick Mallins and JJ McCarthy, then we could say,

492
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 4: all right, Vibes, like if they win five games, he's

493
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 4: a rookie, let him develop. But you know, the ownership

494
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 4: of this team has said that we don't want to

495
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 4: step back, we don't want to be out of that

496
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 4: playoff race and so forth, and I think that we

497
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 4: should also hold them to that same expectation where there's

498
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 4: a lot of intrigue and a lot of finding out.

499
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Speaker 2: To this year.

500
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 4: But there's also a lot of players who are in

501
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: their primes and I don't think Harrison Smith came back

502
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 4: for Vibes.

503
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of a push and pole.

504
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 4: There where if you go nine and eight and you're

505
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 4: making the playoffs or you're you know, losing out on

506
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: the last day, we could say that was a transition

507
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 4: season into something that could be better. And just like

508
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 4: Detroit had that year where they went nine to eight,

509
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 4: they beat Green Bay on the last day of the season,

510
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 4: they didn't make the playoffs, but everybody knew this is

511
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 4: going in the right way. If you win five, I

512
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 4: don't know that you can make that case right unless

513
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: there's some you know, crazy amount of calamity injuries.

514
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: So it's it's a little push and pole there.

515
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: It's amazing that the momentum can carry the team from

516
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: that into the next season. I'm wondering though, because it

517
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: makes me like the situation you're describing makes me feel

518
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: like we're back to two years ago, when we didn't

519
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: know what the scheme was going to look like. The coaches,

520
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: we weren't sure we knew who the players were. We

521
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: didn't normally know the coaching staff and what they were

522
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: going to bring at the table. Now I feel like

523
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: roles have been reversed a little bit. We know what

524
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: to expect from the schemes or non schemes from Brian

525
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: florret right right, right word, But the players and what

526
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: they're going to do with these new weapons and new

527
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: faces is really what's going to show us what these

528
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: this coaching staff is really kind of made up at

529
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Speaker 1: this point.

530
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Speaker 4: And I think that's another important point just about the expectations,

531
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 4: is that after a seven win season, it does matter

532
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,239
Speaker 4: to Kevin O'Connell that you improve on that or that

533
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: you're at least better than that. But I've also thought that,

534
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 4: and you know, there's maybe a bunch of examples around

535
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: the league, but Pittsburgh is the one that comes to

536
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 4: mind where if you have good coaching, you should be

537
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 4: in the mix almost no matter what happens to you,

538
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 4: save for your playing four quarterbacks.

539
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: And this team was still in the mix.

540
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: I mean, they lose a game on a last second

541
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 4: interception from Mullins against the Detroit Lions that you know,

542
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 4: if they win that game, then they're right there on

543
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 4: the doorstep of the playoffs, or it's a fumble against Denver.

544
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: A lot of those close moments they.

545
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: Cost them for last year, right, But nobody would say

546
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 4: they weren't competitive, Like it was a very competitive team

547
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 4: last year, even after Kirk Cousins went down. But the

548
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 4: true test I think of a coaching staff is if

549
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 4: things are not ideal, if you're not rolling out there

550
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: this unbelievable team filled with all pros, how much can

551
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 4: you make out of it? And the landscape is hard.

552
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys saw the schedule, you did your

553
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 4: schedule release.

554
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Speaker 1: And division's tough.

555
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you probably noticed the starts of that season. It's

556
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 4: like okay, giants and then oh okay, like here's all

557
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 4: the good teams and jammed right into the beginning. So

558
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 4: if you can get through that, survive that, come together

559
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 4: as a team, it could be a pretty fun season.

560
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: But also we saw what happens when you get smacked

561
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 4: in the face at the beginning.

562
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Of the year.

563
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: But that that is where the coaching is going to

564
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 4: be tested more than ever because it isn't just hey,

565
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins, veteran quarterback, you go, you know, do your thing,

566
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 4: lead the offense. There is going to have to be

567
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 4: a lot more hands on on the offensive side from

568
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell.

569
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Speaker 5: So when it comes to the schedule itself, you know,

570
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 5: there is this kind of weird period in the middle

571
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 5: where you have one home game in October, one home

572
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 5: game in November, and then it's backloaded in the month

573
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 5: of December with four out of five weeks. Like, what's

574
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 5: your take on being able to kind of survive that

575
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 5: gauntlet in the middle and then getting the home cooking

576
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 5: at the end.

577
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: Of the season.

578
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to your family for those months. I

579
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: know it is.

580
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 4: It's very, very strange schedule overall, But I look at.

581
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: The most interesting part.

582
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 4: The one that glared to me is when they come

583
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: out of the bye week against Detroit, because I mean,

584
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: number one, that could be a JJ McCarthy maybe starts here,

585
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: but it also is a kind of line in the

586
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 4: sand of where do you stand after that?

587
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: Is it the first six weeks?

588
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 4: I would say, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, So where do

589
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 4: you stand after the first six weeks?

590
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: And then we're really gonna know what this season could be.

591
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 4: Because even if it's three and three, then right, well,

592
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: this team should be in the playoff chase. Then if

593
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: it's worse than three and three, this might be a

594
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 4: long haul of trying to get back into it. So,

595
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 4: I mean, but it's a it's a kind of an

596
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: odd schedule the way that it's designed like that.

597
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see, like how how

598
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 3: it all fares out right, because you know, I don't

599
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: know if I've been a part of a schedule that

600
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: that had so many so so little of homemads, a

601
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: little such a little amount of home games in the

602
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 3: middle part of the schedule. So I'm interested to see

603
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: how battle tested this team will be. Understanding this is

604
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: a brand new team, new quarterback, pretty much knew everything

605
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: outside of you know, O line. So I'm excited.

606
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: Plus not early by true, true, I mean, and.

607
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: You're coming from London, so like there's so many things

608
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: to weigh when trying to figure out where this team

609
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: will be by week.

610
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: Six, And you know, the quarterbacks that you're facing kind

611
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 4: of early in the season. You know, who knows who's

612
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 4: playing quarterback for the Giants. But you know you're gonna.

613
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: See what Jordan Love can do in year two right away.

614
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: C J.

615
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: Stroud is a shooting star in the league, and so

616
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: Brian Flores's defense will be tested and some of the

617
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 4: new pieces. It did take a few weeks and it

618
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 4: was a tough schedule at the beginning of last year

619
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 4: kind of ran into that same thing.

620
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 2: So how quickly everybody could come together.

621
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 4: So like you're saying in training camp, for us, standing

622
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 4: on the sideline, going like, is he really.

623
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: Wide receiver three or wide receiver four? Like that's kind

624
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: of cool. But for them, there's got to be a.

625
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: Little bit of desperation there, Like we really got to

626
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: be ready to come out of the gate because if

627
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 4: you lose Week one.

628
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 2: We saw what happened. We all kind of expected them

629
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: to beat Tampa Bay last year.

630
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: Once you lose that game to Tampa Bay, then it

631
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: started to you know, snowball a bit there.

632
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: The same thing could happen here.

633
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, not a good way to start, no, when it

634
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 5: comes to kind of the idea then of the rest

635
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 5: of the division and kind of we talked about Detroit

636
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 5: made a giant leap last year and now you're kind

637
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 5: of looking at you know, what's Jordan Love going to be?

638
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 5: You already kind of made that comment, and then Chicago

639
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 5: with a number one, number one pick overall in the draft.

640
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 5: How do you kind of assess the current state of

641
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 5: the NFC North and where it's going to look not

642
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: only to us within our division, but in the entire NFL.

643
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm kind of two minds on this.

644
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: I mean, in one way, like logically speaking, this looks

645
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 4: like a monster, and it looks like a monster that's

646
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: not going away. That it's going to be a monster

647
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: for some time. And if the Vikings are going to

648
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: make the playoffs each year going forward, they're going to

649
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: have to earn it. Because I can't really make a

650
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 4: logical argument that Detroit won't be great or that Green

651
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: Bay won't be very good. There are some fans who

652
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: are maybe praying to the football gods that Jordan Love

653
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: isn't the next version of Aaron Rodgers.

654
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: That's a little much for me.

655
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: I think he's a little more failable than Rogers was,

656
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: but that's a pretty high bar considering Rogers is one

657
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Speaker 4: of the greatest ever. Still, though, what he did to

658
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Speaker 4: the Vikings at us Bank Stadium last year was really

659
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Speaker 4: really impressive, surgical He not only was it, it was

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Speaker 4: physical and mental right, like he had the touchdown throw

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Speaker 4: off his back foot that goes like fifty yards in

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Speaker 4: the air, but also Flores had thrown a new defense

663
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Speaker 4: at him and in Lambeau, it was a struggle, but

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Speaker 4: then this time it wasn't and that's not great for

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Speaker 4: the Vikings. At the same time, things always happen with

666
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Speaker 4: these teams that we don't expect.

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Speaker 2: Like we every year when you write out what.

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Speaker 4: You think the standings are going to be, go back

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Speaker 4: and look at the preseason projections. Sometimes we're right, and

670
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Speaker 4: sometimes things change so fast. If you had asked me

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Speaker 4: a few years ago, and I'm not saying it'll be

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Speaker 4: like this, but just as evidence of how quickly it changes, Hey,

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Speaker 4: what's you know Carson Wentz's outlook? And I would have said,

674
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Speaker 4: oh man, this guy's gonna be a franchise quarterback for

675
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Speaker 4: like fifteen years in Philadelphia, and then he gets hurt

676
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Speaker 4: and then things happen and then it's somebody else. So

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Speaker 4: that's the kind of the best argument I can make

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Speaker 4: is sometimes things happen. I don't think Chicago's history at

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Speaker 4: quarterback has anything to do with Caleb Williams. That just

680
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Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense. But he also is going to

681
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Speaker 4: have to prove it as well. But I just I

682
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Speaker 4: don't think it's gonna be easy, and that's why they

683
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Speaker 4: had to take this approach. Because if they ran out

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Speaker 4: the same team from twenty twenty two, when two of

685
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Speaker 4: these teams are tanking and the other one's not that great, Okay,

686
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Speaker 4: that was great then, but if you run that team

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Speaker 4: out this year or next year, they're not playing as

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Speaker 4: well against those NFC North opponents. So the bar is

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Speaker 4: higher for what they have to build as a roster

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Speaker 4: here to compete with those teams.

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Speaker 5: And I think a lot of that has to do

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Speaker 5: with just an effusion of young talent. You've also seen

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Speaker 5: you free agency wise, some bigger names going to these

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Speaker 5: teams because they feel like they might be on the

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Speaker 5: rise or at least that they can fit in order

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Speaker 5: to be one of the key players when it comes

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Speaker 5: to the young guys within the division, Like, you know,

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Speaker 5: is it the quarterbacks that everyone's looking at, or are

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Speaker 5: there some you know, other players that are on these

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Speaker 5: other teams that you think are going to be even

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Speaker 5: higher impact against the Spikings team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think what Detroit did on the defensive side drafting

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Speaker 4: Terry and Arnold, adding Carlton Davis just is it DJ reader.

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Speaker 2: They also brought in a.

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Speaker 4: Defensive tackle that's a lot of talent from where they

707
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Speaker 4: were last year, and they've been a pretty mediocre defense

708
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Speaker 4: and still found their way to a lead late in

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Speaker 4: the game of the NFC Championship. And then now they

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Speaker 4: add talent to that and we know that year over

711
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Speaker 4: year things change, but not much has changed on the

712
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Speaker 4: offensive side. They kept their offensive coordinator, their quarterback is

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Speaker 4: the same. They re signed their wide receiver, which teams

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Speaker 4: should do pay those wide receivers. But you know they

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Speaker 4: have all the same pieces there, Jamier Gibbs taking another step.

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Speaker 4: They bring in Kevin Zeitler as.

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Speaker 2: Well, like they're all in.

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Speaker 4: That's a team that is a very complete team, and

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Speaker 4: even more of a complete team because the reason the

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Speaker 4: Vikings had a chance last year to beat them was

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Speaker 4: that their defense wasn't all that great.

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Speaker 2: Could throw for four.

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Speaker 4: Hundred yards in two separate games for Nick Mullins, but

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Speaker 4: I don't know you're gonna be able to do.

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Speaker 2: That this year.

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Speaker 4: The one acquisition that really stands out to me though,

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Speaker 4: for the Chicago Bears was not necessarily this offseason, but

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Speaker 4: midway through last year that I felt a shift in

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Speaker 4: their entire organization.

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Speaker 2: When they got Mate.

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Speaker 4: He did things to Brian O'Neill that we haven't seen

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Speaker 4: people do to like a special player that maybe didn't

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Speaker 4: get the credit when he was in Washington because Washington,

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Speaker 4: but he changed the whole look against their field are Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean he's a beast, but he just changed the

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Speaker 4: whole look and field. This is why you draft Dallas Turner.

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Speaker 4: By the way one player can have this domino effect

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Speaker 4: to a team. I think he did there. And then

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Speaker 4: it's like the quietest acquisition.

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Speaker 2: They go out and.

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Speaker 4: Get Keenan Allens who had eighteen catches against this team

742
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Speaker 4: last year. That yeah, there's there's a lot there and

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Speaker 4: we didn't even mention, you know, green Bay so and

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Speaker 4: but green Bay is going to be whether their young

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Speaker 4: players take that next step. I don't know if you

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Speaker 4: guys heard for many broadcasts they were the youngest.

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Speaker 2: Team in the league. That's what I heard.

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Speaker 4: It was mentioned one or two times in every single

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Speaker 4: quarter of every game they played.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, this is going to be a young team

751
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Speaker 3: on the fill for this Vikings organization this upcoming year.

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Speaker 3: And my final question for you is understanding that we

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Speaker 3: only have two more weeks of organized team activities or

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Speaker 3: mandatory mini camp, however you want to look at it,

755
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Speaker 3: like what else do you want to see outside of

756
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Speaker 3: guys getting injured, what else do you want to see

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Speaker 3: from the team in Purple these final two weeks before

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Speaker 3: we get a month off.

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Speaker 4: I think for me it's the most obvious thing. But

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Speaker 4: it's just the thing. It's just all about the quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: and the quarterback reps. If I deviate from there, I'm

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Speaker 4: lying to because I spend the whole time standing on

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Speaker 4: that hill watching every single throw that JJ McCarthy and

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Speaker 4: Sam Darnold are making. And what I'm interested to see

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Speaker 4: in mini camp because the vibe changes, Like, don't you

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Speaker 4: know put those two together. The vibe change is mandatory

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Speaker 4: mini camp. I feel like the energy ramps up a bit.

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Speaker 4: There's usually more eleven on eleven's in those and you know,

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Speaker 4: we saw a little kicking today, but maybe we'll get

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Speaker 4: at I should have said that, right, it's really the

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Speaker 4: kicking compt.

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Speaker 1: There's a competition.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's what's going on.

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Speaker 4: And I wrote an article about Cereal record, So no,

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Speaker 4: I what I really want to see is JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 4: and where he stands at the end. Because the way

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Speaker 4: I look at OTA's a mini camp is kind of

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Speaker 4: like a NASCAR race. It's the qualifying? Where does everybody

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Speaker 4: start the qualifying? That doesn't mean you can't come from

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Speaker 4: the back and win. But even with last year we

781
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Speaker 4: saw Ivan Pace Junior. It's getting some second team reps

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Speaker 4: out there, and like, all right, this guy's going to

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Speaker 4: be somebody to watch when we get to training camp.

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Speaker 4: So where does JJ McCarthy sit. Is it's still mostly

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Speaker 4: Nick mallins getting those number two reps?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 4: You know McCarthy and Darnold going back and forth. How

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Speaker 4: comfortable does he look? Just on a play to play basis,

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Speaker 4: and we'll kind of know where he's starting training camp

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Speaker 4: and kind of create expectations from there.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm excited. I think there's a a lot

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Speaker 3: to look forward to.

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Speaker 2: Did you want me to say, like Bo Richter or something.

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Speaker 3: Did you think I think? I think we're good on that.

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Speaker 3: But look, this was this was this was fun. It's

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Speaker 3: always a pleasure having you on, always a pleasure picking

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Speaker 3: your brain. Uh, there would be a lot more content

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Speaker 3: on vikings dot com as well as The Purple Insider

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Speaker 3: as we move forward. So, Kyle, I appreciate you joining

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Speaker 3: us today.

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Speaker 1: How do you ever turn it into the Green and

802
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Speaker 1: Blue Insider during like the playoff run.

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Speaker 4: I have been doing live shows an hour before Wolves

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Speaker 4: playoff okay, because I figure people are so nervous that

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Speaker 4: they're used to that.

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Speaker 1: With live shows.

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Speaker 4: About is about the Vikings vis sort of like basketball.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to watch Draymond, That's true, he's entertaining.

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Speaker 2: So Wolves in seven, how are you feeling? Okay? Sure? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Why not? That was that was a show?

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Speaker 1: That was a street Maybe like last week I would

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Speaker 1: have said, Wolves.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever seen a series with so many astounding

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Speaker 4: basketball plays?

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Speaker 2: Like just just the plays Luca throwing the ball.

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Speaker 4: To the guy when he's not even in the you know,

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Speaker 4: in the paint yet, and he slams spot the three point.

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Speaker 1: Shots and Jamal Murray one before the halftime.

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Speaker 2: It's just unreal.

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Speaker 3: Kyrie Irvans, the most skilled player I've ever seen in

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Speaker 3: my life, saying he I love it is.

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Speaker 4: Go Bear is right in front of him, and Go

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Speaker 4: Bear is seven foot four and he somehow just tear

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Speaker 4: drops the ball right over his hands.

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Speaker 2: It's unreal.

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Speaker 1: They're playing They play good defense. That's what they're known for, right,

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Speaker 1: they are playing great defense. And there are so many

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Speaker 1: times I'm watching it and they still are able to

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Speaker 1: make shot after a shot.

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Speaker 4: One more win in this series would have been breathtaking,

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Speaker 4: right if it was like two to two right now?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I know, but this is I think they went

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Speaker 1: at home. I think they went at home, and I

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Speaker 1: think they forced a game six and I think that

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll see where it goes from there.

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Speaker 2: We'll see where it goes from there.

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Speaker 3: Well, what where it went from here was we had

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Speaker 3: Matthew Coller on our podcast and we had Michael Landis

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Speaker 3: joining us in the TCO Radio studio. So for both

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Speaker 3: of those and Jay Nelson and Tatum Everett, my name

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Speaker 3: is Gabe Henderson, and thank you again for tuning into

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Speaker 3: episode two seventy four of the Minnesota Vikings podcast.

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