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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Is this real? Am? I correct?

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Speaker 2: Did Kentucky cheerleader Lacin Snelling actually take selfies while she

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Speaker 2: is in labor while giving birth?

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Speaker 1: Leave the baby to die?

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Speaker 2: Who, by the way, we now learn what was whimpering

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Speaker 2: translation was alive, Leave the baby wrapped up in a

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Speaker 2: blanket and a trash bag in her closet, either dead

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Speaker 2: or dying, and then pop out for mcdonald'srt ROW. I'm

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I'm going to thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. We are learning from court

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Speaker 2: documents that the Kentucky stunt girl, cheerleader beauty queen lake

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Speaker 2: and Snelling took selfies while she's giving birth, just before

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Speaker 2: she secretly delivers her baby, then allegedly leaving it wrapped

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Speaker 2: up in blankets, towels in a trash bag in her closet,

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Speaker 2: and then dashes out to get McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, According to.

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Speaker 2: What we are learning right now, Snelling's phone was full

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Speaker 2: of images of her during labor, photos of her doing

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Speaker 2: things ordinary pregnant women should not be doing. Now, that's

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Speaker 2: according to court documents.

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Speaker 1: Then she.

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Speaker 2: Deletes tries to delete the photos in an apparent attempt

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Speaker 2: to hide the birth of the baby. These affidavits are

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Speaker 2: chock full of evidence. Okay, wait a minute, let's back

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Speaker 2: it up. After giving birth, the beauty Queen cheerleader reported

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Speaker 2: stuffs the baby boy in a trash bag, then heads

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Speaker 2: to McDonald's for a tiny bite. Okay, we still don't

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Speaker 2: know a cod cause of death on the baby, but

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Speaker 2: we do know that roommates sneak into her room to

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Speaker 2: find a blood soaked towel on the floor and a

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Speaker 2: plastic bag quote containing evidence of child birth. Okay, you

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Speaker 2: can let your imagination run wild with that, joining me

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Speaker 2: and All Star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 2: are learning.

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Speaker 1: And I am stunned.

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Speaker 2: If another person, an adult, was found dead wrapped in

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Speaker 2: a blanket, body in a trash bag hidden away, the

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Speaker 2: alleged purp would not be walking free right now with

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Speaker 2: a bedazzled ankle monitor.

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Speaker 1: But that is what has just happened. But let's start

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Speaker 1: at the beginning. Listen to this.

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Speaker 3: Good riversity Joson County Bear. I am lady selling.

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Speaker 1: Her in is.

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Speaker 3: Nancy University of Kentucky, as she's twenty years of age.

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Speaker 3: Her heart criteria Jeff Selling of Morrison, Meg and eis

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Speaker 3: list while also being a student athelete do one athlete

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Speaker 3: on the stunty at a University of Kentucky one hundred

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Speaker 3: plus community service hours passed you honors to be ground

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Speaker 3: the Jefferson County Bear Student Bear and begun to represent

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Speaker 3: her CAUP.

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Speaker 2: That is from the Jefferson County Fairest of the Fair

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Speaker 2: Beauty pagant that she won. But can we get to

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Speaker 2: right now and what leads up to the discovery of

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Speaker 2: a dead infant baby boy in her closet?

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Speaker 4: Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the

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Speaker 4: cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew

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Speaker 4: up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where

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Speaker 4: she was a Jefferson County High School varsity cheerleader and

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Speaker 4: crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is a

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Speaker 4: self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment,

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Speaker 4: Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her

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Speaker 4: old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student

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Speaker 4: athlete with an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow

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Speaker 4: home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos

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Speaker 1: Why do I care.

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Speaker 2: About the boyfriend? I'm trying to figure out who is

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Speaker 2: the biological father of this dead infant. And I'm completely

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Speaker 2: intrigued curious about why so many dead baby are first

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Speaker 2: wrapped in a blanket, a baby blanket very often, remember

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Speaker 2: top mom Casey Anthony wrapped, according to the state, baby

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Speaker 2: Kelly in her favorite blanket before putting her in a

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Speaker 2: trash bag and throwing into a trashy, litter ridden swamp

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Speaker 2: area about ten houses down from the Anthony home. Gee,

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Speaker 2: I wonder who did that? And I see it over

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Speaker 2: and over and over. The infant is wrapped in a

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Speaker 2: in a trash bag. There's gotten to be some sort

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Speaker 2: of psychopathy to that. But you know, I'm also very curious.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, joining US high profile

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Speaker 2: psycho analyst, author of deal Breaker on Amazon. You can

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Speaker 2: see her now on peacock and find her a doctor

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I'm also intrigued.

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Speaker 2: What does it mean? If anything, that you are a

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Speaker 2: self proclaimed real life Barbie.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Barbie doll.

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Speaker 5: This woman's life, this young woman's life is wrapped in fantasy,

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Speaker 5: not reality. The fantasy of having a baby seems a

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Speaker 5: lot more compelling to her than the reality of a baby.

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Speaker 5: The fantasy of being Barbie is a lot more compelling

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Speaker 5: to her than the reality of who she is as

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Speaker 5: a mother and out in the world.

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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking for the fire

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Speaker 2: hids right here. You gave me so much I've got

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Speaker 2: to parse it.

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Speaker 1: Number one. Can we stit with Barbie? You said I

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Speaker 1: was writing as fast as I could.

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Speaker 2: The fantasy of being Barbie to her was being better,

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Speaker 2: was better than being leg and Snellings.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, wait a minute, what does it mean to

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Speaker 1: be Barbie? It's a plastic doll with fake breasts. Why

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Speaker 1: do you want to be that?

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Speaker 5: Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually

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Speaker 5: attractive in the world, and the idea that she would

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Speaker 5: be that person, it's like she's wrapping herself in an image,

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Speaker 5: an external image, rather than really focusing on who she is.

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Speaker 5: Does she attend to trust.

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Speaker 2: But wait, wait, wait, where can I see that video

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Speaker 2: again of her in the foe? I guess that's no

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Speaker 2: the foe that that that was. That's very similar to.

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Speaker 1: A Barbie outfit my sister had. That's right, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to dissect the Barbie dolls, and I

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Speaker 2: dissected all, well, dismembered all of my sister's Barbie dolls.

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Speaker 2: That was a dark day, that said, I remember that outfit.

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Speaker 2: Barbie had an outfit like that with you know, faux

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Speaker 2: Leverard spots. Okay, I just wanted to point that out.

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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what your Barbie lore is, but I

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Speaker 2: distinctly recall an outfit like that with the matching stilettos.

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Speaker 1: And this is when I was a little girl. The

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Speaker 1: sal stiletis We're in then as well, at least for Barbie. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Back to who wants to be Barbie?

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Speaker 5: Who wants to be Barbie? As somebody who's more living

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Speaker 5: in fantasy than reality? Hey, Nancy, that sound you just

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Speaker 5: played the inside of her apartment was pink. She lived

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Speaker 5: in a fantasy world, not a reality world. Okay, Barbie

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Speaker 5: is just that it's adult. It's not a real person.

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Speaker 5: She does not live her life like a real person.

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Speaker 5: She's living's like it's like cosplay of being Barbie. I'm wondering,

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Speaker 5: would she go to a church, does she have friends,

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Speaker 5: the fantasy of being a mom much more compelling than

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Speaker 5: the reality of changing diapers holding a baby. Babies have needs,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to clear one thing up, doctor Bethony Marshall.

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Speaker 1: You can be.

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Speaker 2: Anything and have played with Barbies as a little girl.

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Speaker 2: My sister that had the Barbies, she's a brainiac.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: I tried to read something she published.

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Speaker 2: It was just a bunch of formulas with you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing with barbiees

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Speaker 2: when you're a child. I mean, it can be fun.

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Speaker 2: But this is a grown woman that says she's a

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Speaker 2: real life Barbie. Okay, you know what, I've gone down

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Speaker 2: the Barbie trail way too long. That's not going to

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Speaker 1: A trial. I want to get to the facts and

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Speaker 1: what we know. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Ten thirty am Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a

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Speaker 4: in one of the tenants closets inside a trash bag

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Speaker 4: wrapped in towels. The baby was deceased at the time

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Speaker 4: officers received the report. Snelling returns to her apartment to

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Speaker 4: after delivering the baby to conceal that she had given

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude.

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Speaker 2: He is a high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: founder of Colsrude Law Offices.

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Speaker 1: Josh, Now, this is anecdotal.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a statistic on this, but I noticed

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Speaker 2: decade that I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby,

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Speaker 2: very often you see that case pled down like oh,

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Speaker 2: pled down to volunteer involuntary manslaughter. Now, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you're going to admit to that on the air,

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Speaker 2: but it's true when the victim is a baby, somehow

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Speaker 2: it's treated as less important and justice system, well, you know.

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Speaker 1: These cases are tough, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: You know there's a very similar case that happened in

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Speaker 6: twenty seventeen Skyler Richardson, high profile case in Ohio. It

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Speaker 6: which is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty

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Speaker 6: tests generally cannot say with any certainty that murder was

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Speaker 6: the result. And so here we just don't have enough

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Speaker 6: it's inconclusive. Right now, they are doing additional tests. But

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Speaker 6: I looked into this and the additional tests are all

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Speaker 6: going to have innocent explanations. Number one, I think that

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Speaker 2: You go on thinking you were going to come back

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Speaker 2: circle back to the question which you did not while

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Speaker 2: you stay that Brooks Schuyler Richardson was found not guilty.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that she was convicted of abuse of

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Speaker 2: found guilty. Isn't that correct?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: It is okay, you know, I'm sorry I had to

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Speaker 2: put your feet to the fire on that. But you

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Speaker 2: were suggesting that she walked away scott free. What you

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Speaker 2: did say that I find pertinent is that the forensics

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Speaker 2: couldn't prove murder because very often, as you rightly pointed out,

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Speaker 2: Josh Colsrude, it's very difficult.

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Speaker 1: To get a cod cause of death in a case

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Speaker 2: But isn't Skyler Richardson the one that buried the baby

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Speaker 2: in the backyard after she tried to burn the baby's body.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive.

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Speaker 6: She told the police that she heard a gurgle and

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Speaker 6: that it was briefly alive. She said this to actually

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Speaker 6: her parents, who were in the interrogation room when they

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Speaker 6: didn't believe that the recording was still going on.

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Speaker 1: Josh, do you even remember the question I asked you?

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Speaker 2: What you just said, may scottle look even worse Scytle

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Speaker 2: Richardson because the baby was alive.

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Speaker 1: She said, it was gurgling and alive when she gave birth.

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Speaker 2: Chris Byers, private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services for

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Speaker 2: Guys, how did the baby end up wrapped in a

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Speaker 2: Hermonia Rodriguez, chief US reporter dailymail dot Com. Hermonia, do

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Speaker 2: we know if Snelling's had roommates because I'm trying to

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Speaker 7: Right, That's one of the questions that remains unanswered.

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Speaker 7: Police have refused to say whether Snelling had any roommates

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Speaker 1: That more, guys, you.

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Speaker 2: Were seeing shots of beauty queen cheerleader Lacan Snellings. We

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that she was, you know,

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Speaker 2: That is a baby right there, the baby, the baby

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Speaker 2: And right now she is accused of a major felony

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Speaker 1: There are two lines.

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Speaker 2: Of inquiry right now as to who called nine one one,

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Speaker 2: One report is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling

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Speaker 2: Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia, right,

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Speaker 7: One is from a local and the other one really

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Speaker 2: Guys, you're seeing video of Laken Snellings and it's kind

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Speaker 1: I think a lot will ride on the cause of death, but.

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Speaker 8: So typically with the babies that are found in trash bags,

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the Last Days, a woman charge in a baby's

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Speaker 2: Why does it have to be all about her? That's

440
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Speaker 2: why White Cases and Josh Colesrude.

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Speaker 1: Would not answer earlier.

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Speaker 2: For more federal prosecutor. I mean, okay, back to you,

443
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Speaker 2: doctor Kimmel Crowns. So you do a lung test, and

444
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Speaker 2: if the lungs float, that means they had air in them.

445
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Speaker 2: That means that baby was born alive. Is that where

446
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Speaker 2: you're going with that?

447
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Speaker 1: That's correct.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if they've taken a breath, the lungs will float,

449
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Speaker 8: but it could also mean they were given CPR. It

450
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Speaker 8: could also mean there's decompositional gas formation. So one of

451
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Speaker 8: the other things you'll do with the floatation test is

452
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Speaker 8: take the liver. Take a section of the liver and

453
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Speaker 8: place it in the water as well to see if

454
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Speaker 8: it will float, to show that there is or is

455
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Speaker 8: not decomposition.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute.

457
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Speaker 2: I've never heard this before, a float test on the

458
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Speaker 2: baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, why would you do a float test on a liver?

460
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Speaker 1: Why would there be air in a liver?

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Speaker 8: There would be no air in the liver. So if

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Speaker 8: the liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition.

463
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Speaker 8: But if it does float, then it puts into question

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Speaker 8: of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or

465
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Speaker 8: because there's air in them. So then you have to

466
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Speaker 8: go to microscopic analysis.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you compare the float test of the liver

468
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Speaker 2: to the float test of the lungs, and if the

469
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Speaker 2: liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates

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Speaker 2: the lungs are floating because the baby breathed, not because

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Speaker 2: of decompositional gases.

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Speaker 1: Is that right correct?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's what's happening to the baby. What else

475
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Speaker 2: will be examined to determine the cod of this baby?

476
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Speaker 2: Because this all hinges on the coeod. If the baby

477
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Speaker 2: was dead when it was born, was still born, if

478
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Speaker 2: then there's not going to be a murder prosecution. As

479
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Speaker 2: Josh Coles really pointed out, a lot is riding on

480
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Speaker 2: the cause of death.

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Speaker 1: What else will be done, doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 8: So what else will be done is microscopic analysis or

483
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Speaker 8: looking at sections of the tissue under a microscope looking

484
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Speaker 8: for any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the

485
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Speaker 8: lungs there as well, looking to see if the air

486
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Speaker 8: sacs or the alveoli and the lungs have filled up

487
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Speaker 8: with air. The other thing you'll be looking at is

488
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Speaker 8: the placenta, if it's available. Looking at the placenta looking

489
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Speaker 8: for any evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or

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Speaker 8: infarction or infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at

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Speaker 8: the umbilical cord to see if it's normally formed, if

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Speaker 8: it was wrapped around the child's neck, or if it

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Speaker 8: has inflammation as well. And then you'll also be looking

494
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Speaker 8: for any evidence of trauma birth trauma where like the

495
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Speaker 8: shoulder got stuck and they had to pull the child

496
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Speaker 8: very hard, fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll

497
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Speaker 8: also be looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs,

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Speaker 8: breaking of the extremities or the long bones of the extremities,

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Speaker 8: or crushing of the skull.

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Speaker 1: Romania Rodriguez dailymail dot com.

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Speaker 2: Thinking about and analyzing what doctor Kimil Krause just said

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Speaker 2: regarding was the baby's shoulder broken or prolapsed when it

503
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Speaker 2: when it was delivered. Other injuries to the baby during delivery.

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Speaker 2: It's my understanding that she had the pregnancy bump one

505
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Speaker 2: day and the next day, Wednesday, it was gone and

506
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Speaker 2: she went to class.

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Speaker 1: So obviously she did not have any injuries. That's right.

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Speaker 7: And while we have not been able to confirm that

509
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Speaker 7: she told anyone about this pregnancy, as we saw the

510
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Speaker 7: images show that she has a visible bump that she

511
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Speaker 7: then did not have after given birth.

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Speaker 1: However, so I think it's safe to say she.

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Speaker 7: Was probably not injured, and the autopsy report did say

514
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Speaker 7: that the baby did not have any obvious injuries either.

515
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Speaker 9: Good diversity jokes in County Beard.

516
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Speaker 1: I am Lady Shine.

517
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Speaker 3: University and she's twenty years of age. Her ears criterium

518
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Speaker 3: Joe Snelling the work may E's list while also being

519
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Speaker 3: a student athelete do one athlete on the sunteen.

520
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Speaker 1: At a university of.

521
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Speaker 3: One hundred plus community service hours in the past, you

522
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Speaker 3: honored to be aground the Joy cityar's student there and

523
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Speaker 3: be unit.

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Speaker 1: To represent her.

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Speaker 2: Now, I want to be very clear at this juncture,

526
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Speaker 2: Lake and Snellings is not charged with murder. We are

527
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Speaker 2: waiting on a full and complete autopsy report.

528
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Speaker 10: A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside Lincoln

529
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Speaker 10: Snelling's closet. Inside a black trash bag the remains of

530
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Speaker 10: a baby boy, along with the evidence used to hide

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Speaker 10: the birth.

532
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Speaker 2: Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is

533
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Speaker 2: for quote family. I don't know if that includes the

534
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Speaker 2: baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag

535
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Speaker 2: in her closet, but I want you.

536
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Speaker 1: To see some texts that we have uncovered.

537
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: Here is Lincoln Snellings and if you see her goals,

538
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: let's see a close up of her goals motherhood. Well,

539
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: then that baby is getting fed a bottle by a

540
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Speaker 2: loving mom with blonde hair like Lincoln Snellings. That is

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Speaker 2: not what happened to this baby. And also circled as

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Speaker 2: her goal is a family with two children, engagement, ring, money,

543
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Speaker 2: and a house.

544
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Speaker 1: What more have we learned?

545
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Speaker 2: Being twenty is so weird, Like I'm an adult, but

546
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Speaker 2: I still can't really really do anything. But people my

547
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: age have kids. Well, I think she knows the answer

548
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: to that. I actually start tweaking at the fact I

549
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: may only birth boys and never get a girl. That

550
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Speaker 2: would be a little small miniature me. My parents had

551
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Speaker 2: a whole child at my age, and I don't even

552
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Speaker 2: know how to drive on to the.

553
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Speaker 1: Tracks of a car wash.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this and watching the kids play in the yard.

555
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Speaker 2: She seems like she'd be a great mom. How I

556
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Speaker 2: sleep at night knowing I'm dating the person I'm going

557
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Speaker 2: to marry. Marriage is scary? What if he doesn't want

558
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Speaker 2: to put our daughter in cheer the second she can walk?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I need a shrink.

560
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Speaker 2: And I need a shrink right now, Doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 2: The well, they all are significant. Okay, Yes, none of

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Speaker 2: this will likely ever come before a jury because they

563
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Speaker 2: will be deemed not probative.

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Speaker 1: In other words, they're incendiary and they don't really prove anything.

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Speaker 7: Right.

566
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Speaker 2: But what about the part about I want to have

567
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Speaker 2: a mini me? What if I only birth boys, which

568
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Speaker 2: this was a baby boy.

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Speaker 1: And I don't have a girl. I don't have a

570
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Speaker 1: mini me. That means something, Doctor beth Andy.

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Speaker 5: What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an

572
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Speaker 5: idealized life with a little girl who's just like her,

573
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Speaker 5: That she's very self centered, Nancy, She's wrapped up in

574
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Speaker 5: her own little world. These texts are not to another person.

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Speaker 5: These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself. Now,

576
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Speaker 5: women who commit and fanticide usually are not attached to

577
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Speaker 5: the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is like

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Speaker 5: an it, a thing. It does not have a personality. Nancy,

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Speaker 5: when you were first pregnant, I remember you told me

580
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Speaker 5: were on the set of port TV. You were so excited.

581
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Speaker 5: You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation.

582
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Speaker 5: When you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby.

583
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Speaker 5: She was attached to herself, and she was attached to

584
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Speaker 5: the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then

585
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Speaker 5: there's the baby. Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh,

586
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Speaker 5: there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in

587
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Speaker 5: the way of some scheme or plan that she already had.

588
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: Maybe she was getting ready for a prom, Maybe she

589
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Speaker 5: wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to

590
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Speaker 5: find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding,

591
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Speaker 5: and this baby was just inconvenient because the little baby

592
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Speaker 5: didn't come around at the right time in her whatever

593
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Speaker 5: her plan was for her life.

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Speaker 2: And Doctor Bethany, here's something I don't understand. And I'm

595
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Speaker 2: not saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing about

596
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Speaker 2: abortion tonight.

597
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Speaker 1: That's a whole other can of worms.

598
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Speaker 2: But if you don't want the baby, why wait nine

599
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Speaker 2: months and give birth and then murder the baby? Why

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Speaker 2: do that as opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the

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Speaker 2: first three months.

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Speaker 5: Nancy, in order to plan for an abortion, you have

603
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Speaker 5: to be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is

604
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Speaker 5: a baby inside of you. That baby is growing. That

605
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 5: baby will be a person in the real world with

606
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Speaker 5: real needs, a need for food, a need for love,

607
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Speaker 5: a need for care. I would doubt that she would

608
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Speaker 5: even be attached enough to this baby to plan any

609
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Speaker 5: kind of medical procedure. I doubt she even went to

610
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Speaker 5: a doctor and got her vitamins or her being able

611
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Speaker 5: care or anything like that. That's one of the more

612
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Speaker 5: fascinating parts of this story was did anybody recognize she

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Speaker 5: was pregnant? Did her own mother recognize, What about the

614
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Speaker 5: other people on the cheer team, or was this sort

615
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Speaker 5: of a pipe dream about having a baby at some

616
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Speaker 5: point in her life? But at that point she didn't

617
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Speaker 5: imagine herself to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from

618
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Speaker 5: the reality of it all.

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Speaker 2: And again, I'm not going down the pro life or

620
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Speaker 2: pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get back

621
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Speaker 2: to the facts.

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Speaker 4: Listen to this lake and Snelling leads not guilty to

623
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Speaker 4: all three charges levied against her and posted her one

624
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Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars bond. Snelling has been placed on house

625
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Speaker 4: arrest at her parents Jefferson City home. She will not

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Speaker 4: be required to wear an ankle monitor. Her next scheduled

627
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Speaker 4: appearance in a Fayette County court is September twenty sixth.

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Speaker 2: That from our friends at w KYT and you heard

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Speaker 2: the judge there at the end, Judge John Tackett, Wait

630
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Speaker 2: a minute, Harmonia, She not only has.

631
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Speaker 1: Walked free, but she doesn't even have to wear an

632
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Speaker 1: ankle monitor. That's right, Nancy.

633
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Speaker 7: The judge ordered her to await trial at her parents'

634
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Speaker 7: home in Tennessee and specified that she would not have

635
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Speaker 7: to wear an ankle monitor while she awaits her trial.

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Speaker 2: Why, Josh Coles, rude, you're the former federal prosecutor. Why

637
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Speaker 2: not even wear an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle monitor

638
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: to hay with that?

639
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Speaker 1: Why is she out on bond?

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Speaker 6: Well, typically judges have to look at two different prongs

641
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Speaker 6: when evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond,

642
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 6: and if so how much. The first is is the

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Speaker 6: person a substantial danger to the community? And the second

644
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 6: is are they substantial flight risk? And here you're dealing

645
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Speaker 6: with somebody who doesn't have any in me that.

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Speaker 1: She's young and pretty and rich and white. What about that?

647
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Speaker 1: Does that factor into that bond decision?

648
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Speaker 2: Because I think it does. Is she worked too pretty

649
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Speaker 2: for jail because that worked with debril Fay. Is that

650
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Speaker 2: what happens just too cute?

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Speaker 6: Well, in this case, respectfully, she has not been accused

652
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Speaker 6: of murdering anybody yet. The only charges in this case

653
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Speaker 6: so far are abuse a corpse and some lower and

654
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Speaker 6: some lesser included charges as well. So until the time

655
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Speaker 6: that this state actually accuses her of murdering an infant child,

656
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Speaker 6: she's going to be treated as a low level Offenderful.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace cheerleader Lake and Snelling.

658
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Speaker 2: Originally tells cops the baby fell to the floor fell

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Speaker 2: on the floor after she gave birth, but she didn't

660
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Speaker 2: think the baby was breathing or alive. According to the

661
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: affidavit that we have obtained, she says that she thought

662
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: the baby was dead and wrapped it like a quote

663
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: burrito and laid next to it on the floor because

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Speaker 2: it gave her a little comfort. What about the baby,

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00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: She says, she woke up seven thirty am, put the

666
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: baby in a trash bag.

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00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's normal.

668
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: Then shower, cleaned up blood, placed placenta in a zip

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00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: plot bag before skipping morning classes in going for McDonald's.

670
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 2: That's what we are learning. But here is the critical moment.

671
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: Here's the critical statement. She admitted to medical staff the

672
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: baby had shown quote a little bit of fetal movement and.

673
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: Made a whimper after he was born.

674
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: Then she deletes the photos she took while she was

675
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: giving birth. Investigators believe there could be more images removed

676
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: from her phone before her arrest. They will have to

677
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: get that forensically after a search warrant is obtained for

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00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: her phone.

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00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: What more do we know?

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00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 10: Hey, I'm gonna need just sent a deputy over here

681
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 10: at one twenty five Lakeside.

682
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 5: We got a newborn baby's fun distarted.

683
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: Okayy too, yep, thanksful mus Gingham University dealt again.

684
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 4: The Theta Sisters fine a suspicious trash bag just outside

685
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: the front door. Tearing it open, they make a gruesome discovery.

686
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 4: Next to an instant macancheese box lies a dead baby girl.

687
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 4: Emily Weaver admits she birth the baby in the downstairs

688
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: bathroom of the Theta house.

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Speaker 2: Okay, in that case, sorority's sisters find a dead infant

690
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: and a trash bag right outside their front door, and

691
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: they immediately suspect and Emil Weaver listen, Paul, I just.

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Speaker 11: Want to be able to tell, yeah, the cause of

693
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 11: death from the child. And did you do anything physically too?

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00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 9: No, physically, I really obviously didn't much at all of this.

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00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: More concern.

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00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 11: Would be intentionally get a billet.

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Speaker 9: I mean I would have like not put its head up.

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00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: Would you just sort of dropt, you know?

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00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 10: I mean that's it was my potentially.

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00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: You did.

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00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 11: Did you try and keep her alive?

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00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 12: I didn't do anything to.

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00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: Pure And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that

704
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: she had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about

705
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: a month about the quote situation, and then after just

706
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: a few hours after giving births as a text no

707
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 2: more baby taken care of the baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead.

708
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the

709
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was

710
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: sentenced to life.

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00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: That's what happened there.

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00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 7: So I'm just.

713
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: Thinking through the having the baby and doing nothing to

714
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: keep the baby alive, not just that putting the baby

715
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 2: in a trash bag wrapped.

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00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: In a towel as in this case.

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Speaker 2: Could that have been the cause of asphyxiation in the

718
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: case in chief.

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00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: Now, that case was about Emily Weaver. But then there's

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Speaker 1: Alexei Chiviso.

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Speaker 12: We had the lady come to clean the bathroom. She

722
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 12: put the baby in the trash can and then she

723
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 12: put another clean winer over the top of it, so

724
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 12: they looked. When they looked in there, it looked there

725
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 12: was no trash in that, but it's underneath the clean bag.

726
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 13: The baby's dead.

727
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 12: Okay, we have them in Toronto too, But she killed

728
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 12: a kid.

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Speaker 5: Yea, how old was held to be, I don't know.

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00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 12: It's full time. She just had it.

731
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Speaker 1: She had it in the bathroom was what happened.

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Speaker 13: And then she whatever she did, I don't know.

733
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Speaker 12: She's gonna lie. She wouldn't tell us she's pregnant. She's

734
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 12: been lying the whole time.

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Speaker 2: So she goes in the bathroom pregnant and then selling

736
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near.

737
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: The trash can. There's more. We discovered a dead baby

738
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: in the bathroom.

739
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, sorry, Lexie, I told you about this.

740
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 9: I just asked your babies tell me the truth.

741
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: It's not cry and nothing was crying. Do you guys

742
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: have I'm the charge nurser.

743
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 12: Do you guys have any questions for me?

744
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: How big is.

745
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 5: What?

746
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Nine months?

747
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 10: Something was?

748
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 9: Cort Let's have you watched the news of being the

749
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 9: girls and what they do to their babies.

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Speaker 1: And what they go to jail? Was cry? Doctor Bethony Marshall,

751
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: what's with that? Mom?

752
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 5: Mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her grand baby.

753
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 5: It's really concerning. And you know, this is what we

754
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 5: call nancy a soft kill. When women kill their babies,

755
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 5: usually it's suffocating them, poisoning them, whereas with men it

756
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 5: sends to be some more of overt physical violence. So

757
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 5: this is just a soft kill. And the mother never says,

758
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 5: oh my god, my grandbaby. Those words do not come

759
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 5: out of the mother's mouth.

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00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't like anything you just said, soft kilm Those

761
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: words don't go together. Imagine how awful it would be

762
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: to be murdered my let's just say asphyxiation.

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Speaker 1: Then, imagine if you're a baby, you can't speak, you

764
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: can't move, you can't run away, you can't.

765
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Speaker 2: Fight back, you have to just lay there and die

766
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Speaker 2: with something held down over your nose and mouth.

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00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: And to doctor Kendall Crown's soft kill my rear end.

768
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Speaker 2: Could this baby have died by asphyxiation simply by the

769
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: baby putting being wrapped in towels and put in a

770
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Speaker 2: trash bag?

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Speaker 1: Could that have asphyxiated suffocated the baby.

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Speaker 8: Yes, we see that occasionally with full term infance or

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00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 8: babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The

774
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 8: mother places it in the trash bag and seals the

775
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 8: trash bag, throwing it in the trash There's not enough

776
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 8: oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so

777
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 8: they eventually will suffocate by being an a plastic bag,

778
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 8: just as if you put a plastic bag over your head,

779
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 8: it would suffocate you.

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00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services,

781
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: I want you to hear this case.

782
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: Similar and it's one brought up by Josh Cole Road

783
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: Skyler Richardson.

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00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 13: Is your bedroom upstairs or bathroom upstairs? Okay, so you

785
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 13: had the wall downstairs. Are you carrying her? Did you

786
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 13: go into the garage or do you have an outdoor

787
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 13: shed like where you have a.

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00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 4: Okay?

789
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: When?

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00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: What did you find her?

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00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 12: What did you use?

792
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: Put a little old my god?

793
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 13: Okay, Underston, what did you do?

794
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: Did you have it and you didn't have any help?

795
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: Right?

796
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 5: Okay?

797
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: What did you do with her while you were digging

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00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: the hole?

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00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skyler Richardson, dad asks,

800
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: tell us what's going on, and she says, I tried

801
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: to cremate the baby just a little. She tried to

802
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: burn the baby.

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00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: Chris. Yeah, that is absolutely mind blowing.

804
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 7: That level of evil.

805
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: I just can't even imagine, just.

806
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 4: Just all of these cases we see just the level

807
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 4: of selfishness and self absorbedness in these in these girls,

808
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 4: and just treating.

809
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 11: These babies just like garbage just absolutely blows my mind.

810
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: Like garbage in every way putting it, putting babies in trash,

811
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: throwing them in dumpsters.

812
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: I want you to hear it from the horse's mouth

813
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: Chris Here's Skyler Richardson stating that she tried to cremate

814
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: the baby.

815
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: Just a little.

816
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 4: Kind tells the too, says, you have to tell your

817
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 4: reasons to hear better.

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00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: A little behind.

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Speaker 2: I want to be very clear at this juncture, Lincoln

820
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: Snelling is not charged with murder. We are also learning

821
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: that her roommates could hear her giving birth and then

822
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: snuck in when she left to go to McDonald's to

823
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: find the baby stuffed in her closet hours later, Snelling

824
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: reportedly tells the roommates the noise they heard was when

825
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: she quote fell over, passing out from a routine illness.

826
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Speaker 1: When the roommates find the.

827
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Speaker 2: Baby in the closet, they till the dispatcher at nine

828
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: one one. The infant was quote cold to the touch.

829
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: After her arrest, Snelling withdraws from school and is no

830
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: longer a member of the stunt team. Hey, she's got

831
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 2: bigger problems than that. Leaving the stunt team. Lincoln Snelling

832
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: needs to consider life behind bars and what.

833
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: That will be like. We wait as justice, of course.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,