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Speaker 1: Rachel Swanton has become one of the top voices changing

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Speaker 1: the fertility conversation. She's a dietitian, researcher and author of

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Speaker 1: the new book Trying a Science Back Plan to Optimize

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Speaker 1: Your Fertility. She works with everyone from pro athletes to

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Speaker 1: Vogue models and Fortune five hundred execs, and she's reframing

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Speaker 1: fertility as a sign of vitality, not just reproduction.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Rachel, Hi, it's so nice to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad you're here. We were just talking

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Speaker 1: a little bit before the podcast, and I said, we

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Speaker 1: just have to press record because I'm doing the podcast

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Speaker 1: with you before the podcast.

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Speaker 2: But I'm glad you said that, by the way, or

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Speaker 2: else would have kept.

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Speaker 1: Going, Oh totally. I was feeling like we were going

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Speaker 1: to talk for an hour before the podcast. But so

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Speaker 1: we'll just do this with the listeners listening and everyone

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Speaker 1: can participate. But I was telling you, it's been a

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Speaker 1: minute since we've had any sort of fertility conversation on

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Speaker 1: this podcast. And you know, I went through my own

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Speaker 1: fertility journey. I think that was back in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: and twenty nineteen. I was trying to freeze my eggs

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Speaker 1: at unsuccessful two round attempts. But my experience with that

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Speaker 1: felt a little bit harsh and scientific and cold, and

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Speaker 1: so when you were brought to me, it was a

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Speaker 1: refreshing objective on fertility, and I really wanted to bring

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Speaker 1: that to the listeners because we do talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about root causes overall health, diving into spirituality and emotional

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Speaker 1: connections with your health, and so I just really feel

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Speaker 1: like what you're talking about is very in line with that.

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Speaker 1: So I know you talk about fertility two point zero

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of like an overriding conversation for all

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Speaker 1: of the work that you do. Can you explain to

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Speaker 1: the listeners what that means?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Well I think well, first, I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: I'll talk about fertility two point oh for an hour

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Speaker 2: all day, but I guess I'll tell you a little

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Speaker 2: bit of the backstory and how I write, because I

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Speaker 2: think what you'll find is it aligns what you just experienced,

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Speaker 2: you know, the coldness, the harshness, the clinical aspect. It

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Speaker 2: actually aligned with what I view a lot of times

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Speaker 2: going on with practice. So I guess to give you

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Speaker 2: context and backstory for a minute. Well, for context, I

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Speaker 2: do work full time in clinical practice. I've been doing

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Speaker 2: that since twenty seventeen. Well, I think of myself as

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Speaker 2: really a conduit to help people achieve their goals through

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Speaker 2: natural ways being you know, diet and lifestyle. So over

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Speaker 2: the years, more and more women came to me with

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Speaker 2: the goal of getting pregnant. And yes, so what was

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Speaker 2: interesting about this is that, you know, all these women

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Speaker 2: were quite successful, you know, business professionals. They had already

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Speaker 2: achieved so much in life, but yet they were presenting

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Speaker 2: feeling completely disempowered about the whole process, about themselves, about

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Speaker 2: what they were going through, and they had either received

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Speaker 2: coming with me, they received super generic advice. They were

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Speaker 2: kind of playing whack a mole with their symptoms. Overall,

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Speaker 2: it just felt cold and very reactive. And now this

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Speaker 2: is ironic, not just because I'm saying, oh, they had

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Speaker 2: back and think about it. This should be one of

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Speaker 2: the most exciting times, Like you're here wanting to and

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Speaker 2: hoping to create this miracle of life inside your body,

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Speaker 2: but instead you're feeling like your body is the adversary.

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Speaker 2: It's like working against you. Right, Yes, I think, so, really,

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Speaker 2: what I did for all of my clients is I

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Speaker 2: took this what I call a first principles approach to

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Speaker 2: their goal. That just means kind of looking at reproductive function,

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Speaker 2: not in an isolated way, but kind of from this

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Speaker 2: root cause based perspective, like what you're speaking to, that

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Speaker 2: root cause based perspective, that first pristap potion that is

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Speaker 2: fertility to two point zero, because it takes a consideration

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Speaker 2: your whole body. It's proactive in nature. It's just a

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Speaker 2: very very different approach from kind of this conventional medicine

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Speaker 2: or kind of the traditional advice that you're given, because

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Speaker 2: I look at, like, how can we optimize how the

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Speaker 2: body functions, but in doing so improve your chances of

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Speaker 2: conceiving if that's in the cards for you, right, but

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Speaker 2: of our lives. And you know, professionally, that did kind

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Speaker 2: I think if I didn't do that, you and I

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Speaker 2: want to be have you this conversation.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, absolutely, And I love that you brought up

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Speaker 1: It's individual, and that's what you talk about is looking

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Speaker 1: at each individual person as a different you know, not

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Speaker 1: and how do we approach this for your specific body?

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Speaker 1: Because I remember going into my gynecologists and at thirty five,

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Speaker 1: they're starting to tell you like, you'll be in a

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Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I'm thirty five? Why am

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your approach to looking at the whys, talking

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Speaker 1: about the food we're eating and creating the holistic just

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Speaker 1: environment in our bodies for optimal health overall, right, like

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, exactly, And you know the process definitely, like

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Speaker 2: you know that the process of egg retrievaled IVF. That

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Speaker 2: It's about like, no, you have the information. You absolutely

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Speaker 2: But without any of that understanding the why, understanding your

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Speaker 2: you're just either do nothing. You do kind of like

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Speaker 2: a one sheet of information that they that they gave

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Speaker 2: experience a whole lot different kind of before and after.

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Speaker 2: But I mean you certainly you speak to that's that's

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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so grateful for books like yours

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Speaker 1: I was thirty five. At thirty five, I don't think

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Speaker 1: Like you just kind of are like the doctor says,

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Speaker 1: Like I've researched a ton after and now reflecting back,

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Speaker 2: Well then well then it's like to your point, you

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Speaker 2: But it's more like this is kind of these are

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Speaker 2: And it's like, well, several things, and we'll certainly kind

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Speaker 2: like all of the disappointment, all the negative emotions you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I know you've mentioned you describe fertility as

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Speaker 1: you unpack maybe like how we do this perspective shift

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is just what I view for any

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Speaker 2: the you know, the the oral route is just to

435
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: go right under the right under the tongue, and that

436
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: increases your BE twelve levels. Right, So think about that

437
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 2: in terms of like, wow, that is literally, you know,

438
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: affecting systemic B twelve. We just aren't. It's just not

439
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: we aren't taught to think about or or have the

440
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 2: information to That's what's also happening with different inflammatory molecules

441
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: or microbes or this sort of thing. The same if

442
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: you want to kind of go to the vaginal health side,

443
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: you can think about this in the exact same way.

444
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: So for other women's not for fertility, but an example

445
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: from clinical practice, this of course isn't me prescribing. It's

446
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: one of our physicians. They might prescribe a woman's a

447
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: vaginal estrogen for maybe like vaginal dryness or something like this,

448
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: depending on the time point in their life. Why are

449
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: we putting it there? Because that area is highly vascularized.

450
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: It's good. It's literally takes up right these hormones. And

451
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: so think about this in relation to all of the

452
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: synthetic things that we are putting down there to strip

453
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: our microbiome away and strip these layers away that is

454
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: meant to protect us, and putting sort of again all

455
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: of these endocrin disrupting chemicals down there which have hormone

456
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: effects just like hormones. So again, so much much bigger

457
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: picture has massive relevance outside fertility.

458
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: As well well, speaking of all of the foreign substances

459
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: and objects that we're putting down there. I mean every

460
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: month I'm putting tampons, you know, using tampons or then

461
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: what about like loube and how is that possibly disrupting

462
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: our vaginal microbiome.

463
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: I think a lot of things are unfortunately disrupting it.

464
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 2: Not everything has been studied, of course, but for example, loob, yes,

465
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: I think about that, and I really really think it's

466
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: very important to if you're trying to conceive, for example,

467
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: we need to have a loop that is not going

468
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: to be harsh to our microbiome. It's like we're literally

469
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: putting chemicals right on for a different feel that is

470
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: not helping in any way, So we really have to

471
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: look at that. And of course for fertility specifically the

472
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: Gold standards kind of your own natural arousal. Right, this

473
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: is all kind of fertility friendly. It's not introducing other compounds, chemicals,

474
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: this sort of thing. Now. Of course, you know, if

475
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: you can't have sex without that, of course that's that's different.

476
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: And if there's pain involved. So I'm not saying forego

477
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 2: it completely. I just want people to start thinking about

478
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: everything they're putting down there and how a lot of

479
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: it's stripping out sort of this delicate ecosystem that is there,

480
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: these microbiota that's there to support you literally use inflammation

481
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: to keep your immune reactivity balance, and if it's completely

482
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: out of balance again, vaginal microbiome has very strong data

483
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: in terms of pregnancy outcomes. It's it's wild. So it's like,

484
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: this environment is here for you, it's here to support you.

485
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: We can at least support it by not trying to

486
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 2: strip out this entire ecosystem, we can we can support it.

487
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, That's what I'm always talking about on

488
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 1: this podcast too, is I don't I think we are

489
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: just kind of unconsciously moving through the day every day

490
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: and not fully thinking about all of the ways or

491
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: all of the things that we're putting in our body

492
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: that we're around or surrounded by, that we're taking in

493
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: in general, just in our environment. And so is the

494
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: point to really trying to balance out all of these

495
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: ecosystems and microbiomes systems just to make sure that our

496
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: bodies are in the optimal place for conceiving or fertility

497
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: journeys or just health in general.

498
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is for health in general, to be

499
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: very clear. So even if someone's like listening and like

500
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: they're like, I'm not trying to like conceive, or like

501
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: maybe they already did, this is very relevant for women's

502
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: health sort of put by each decade. Right in practice,

503
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: I think I'm working with women in their fifties and

504
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: sixties and seventies, and we're all of these conversations actually

505
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: still have relevance. It's just towards a different goal. Why

506
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: is that the case, Like, how is this fertility related

507
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: to this? It's because again we're addressing a root cause,

508
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: So that has relevance no matter what the goal is.

509
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: So yes, and I don't want anyone to feel kind

510
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: of overwhelmed by you know, we have to support this

511
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: and do this and do this. It's not to do this.

512
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: I just want people to take a step back and think,

513
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: how can we support the life in our body because

514
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: it will then better support us in our health goals.

515
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes so much sense to me. Okay, well,

516
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: I know you're a dietitian, so I have to talk

517
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: about food in relation to fertility. Are there specific foods

518
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: we should be eating to balance hormones if someone is

519
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: trying to conceive, Like, how do we learn about those

520
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: kind of pieces of this puzzle?

521
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is actually something that I take probably,

522
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: I mean, dare I say, even like a wildly different

523
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 2: approach compared to my colleagues and compared to probably what

524
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: you find on Google. So to set the stage, it's like,

525
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: what do we know? What do most people know? It's that, well,

526
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: a Mediterranean diet's pretty healthy right for fertility, despite the

527
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: fact that not a lot of people eat that pattern

528
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: at all? And what does that even entail? Nor is

529
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: it personalized at all? And even in research, like all

530
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: the definitions are different. So we kind of have, like

531
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: we have this Mediterranean diet aspect, what else do we have?

532
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: We have you know, thousands of articles at this point

533
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: saying like eat these ten foods for fertility, right or

534
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: avoid these ten foods. Okay, So I do not practice

535
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: any of that whatsoever. And if we're to do sing

536
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: sort of down nutrition and this like amazing substance that

537
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: you're putting in your body that has the capacity to

538
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: support all of your cells, like we aren't doing sort

539
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: of a list of ten and that's not against sort

540
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: of tactical takeaways again, like that's what the entire book is.

541
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: But we are going to optimize the diet based off

542
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: of what we're trying to optimize. So far, we discussed

543
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: the microbiomes, so let's just kind of like double click

544
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: on that even further. One of those ecosystems is the gut.

545
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: We know how to sor the guts by doing things

546
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: like eating a you know, ideally at least thirty different

547
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: plant foods a week. That's going to support the diversity

548
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: and the gut, so diversity of plants, diversity of gut.

549
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: We also know that it's beneficial to have prebiotic sources

550
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: of fiber, so that's like fertilizer for your good gut microbes.

551
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: So again we want to feed those guys well, because

552
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: they're producing anti inflammatory molecules for us for our body, right,

553
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: it's wild. So there's that. There's other things that you

554
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: can do to support the gut microbiome, like you might

555
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: be able to introduce a small amount of fermented foods

556
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: that's been shown beneficial. So again, all of these I'm

557
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: painting really broad strokes here because in practice we go

558
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: ultra ultra personalized. Right. That's one way to kind of

559
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: support the ecosystem in a very non nuanced way. There's

560
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: about one hundred nuances we could get into if we want,

561
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: but let's just leave it broad jokes for now. That

562
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: can be kind of how you support the ecosystem. But

563
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: how the heck do you personalize this? Well, you can

564
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: start using sort of your body's signals that are available

565
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: to you every day, right, and one of which is

566
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: your your bowel movements. If things are really off, Kelly,

567
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 2: that tells us there's something off with the system or

568
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: what you're putting in to this amazing system of a

569
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: body that you have. So it's like we can kind

570
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: of start personalizing this food based off of that. So again,

571
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: all of this, you're like, what the heck we just

572
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: talk about food in relation to microbiome, not a fertility

573
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: But let me connect this entire picture real fast. Okay,

574
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: the gut microbiome is related to fertility because number one,

575
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: like we discussed with oral vaginal, it directly impacts inflammation.

576
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: This also directly impacts circulating levels of hormones. This impacts

577
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: are immune system functioning. All of these are like, are

578
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: fundamental to supporting fertility. I know from at least some

579
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: doctors and online, you're like everyone says the goal, it's

580
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: like the goals to lower inflammation in the right the body,

581
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: But like, what the heck does that even mean? But

582
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: even go about that?

583
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: Right?

584
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: This is one of the reasons of like how you

585
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: actually go about that? And so hopefully that connects like

586
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: the little dots we discussed, but also the big picture

587
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: of like why we're doing what we're doing. I'm all

588
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: about the why. That's how we empower more women about

589
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: their bodies and about their health.

590
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely, what are some of the sneakiest fertility disruptors? I mean,

591
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: I actually think we've talked about a couple one being

592
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: the oral hygiene and all of that, but are there

593
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: any other sneaky ones? That people might not be thinking of,

594
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: but they're really participating in every day of their lives.

595
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I think there's there's so many. It

596
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: kind of depends on the path that you want to

597
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: go down right now. So I'll ask you a question,

598
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: what interests you like? Is there does metabolic health interest you?

599
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: Just kind of this these environmental toxins interest you, like?

600
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: What is kind of which we can go down? So

601
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: many paths right now.

602
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: All of them interest me. I think knowing about just

603
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: base level ways that we can make sure that our

604
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: body is like a good holding space. I guess yeah,

605
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: that would be the way to put maybe the first

606
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: thing that I would be interested in.

607
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: One of them. That's very very important and I look

608
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: into with every single client is your is your blood sugar?

609
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: So this plays into a metabolic function overall. So if

610
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: this is really sort of misaligned with our goal, it

611
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: can it can be somewhat of a blocker to get pregnant.

612
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: And if it's not and you still do get pregnant,

613
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: it's going it can increase your risk of having a

614
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: lot of these conditions while pregnant. You've heard of these

615
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: like gestational diabetes, stational hypertension, which is high blood pressure.

616
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 2: There are some reasons why you can develop these and

617
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: that's completely out of our control, but there's a lot

618
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: of it within our controls. So that's what I'm trying

619
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: to focus on right now. But if we improve our

620
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: metabolic health and how our body is fundamentally handling the

621
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: food that we eat, it's also going to improve the

622
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: system of role for chances of getting pregnant. So in

623
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: terms of blood sugar control, this goes back to what

624
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: you think it is. It's making sure your body is functioning,

625
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: taking in food, being able to process that food convert

626
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: it to energy. Right, kind of all goes back to this,

627
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: and so that's certainly one aspect that I think is

628
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: so not appreciated. It's not discussed in.

629
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: Context at all.

630
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: I looked into this a lot, and unfort all the

631
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: researches is there, but it's just it's not being translated

632
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: into the into the public. And this is a huge

633
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: lever that we have in our favor.

634
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: That's interesting to me because I've had multiple either holistic

635
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: practitioners or doctors talk to me about my blood sugar

636
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: levels and I don't even eat a lot of sugar.

637
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: But I think it's something with how my body process

638
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: is feed and now that you're saying it is connected

639
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: to fertility, I'm like, I wonder if that was part

640
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: of my stuff too. I have no idea, but like,

641
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: what how does that play into our fertility?

642
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: So what your doctors might be pointing out, well, I

643
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: mean if if someone if you're seeing someone who's like

644
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: sort of holistic and functional medicine base, I would assume

645
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: that it's not just the level of blood sugar that

646
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: you're looking at. They're probably looking at something what's called

647
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: achema like costellated heemic globing. Basically, how much sugar is

648
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: like stuck to your red blood cells. Say what, you

649
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: would want to look at that as well, you would

650
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: want to look at insulin. So basically, how much of

651
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: this hormone is your PingER is pumping out to get

652
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: that sugar from your bloodstream into your cells right to

653
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: be utilized for energy. What we're really wanting to avoid

654
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: and or correct is something called insulin resistance, which just

655
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: think of it as like, there's this hormone and your

656
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: cells are not responding as well as I could to

657
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: that hormone, So then your ability to again, take in

658
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: sugar like nutrients from the bloodstream is impacted as well.

659
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: Why the heck do we care about this for fertility?

660
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: It's because if there is a problem, you know, with

661
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: that signaling, it's more of a root cause problem that

662
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: there might be more inflammation in there in your body,

663
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: there might be more oxidative stress in your body, and

664
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: kind of going back to the microbiome, these are the

665
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: things that we want to avoid or correct or you hack,

666
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: use them as an opportunity to optimize.

667
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: So you mentioned stress, and that's another thing I've been

668
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: thinking about a lot, because you also talked about the

669
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: women that you were seeing at the beginning being these

670
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: high achieving, kind of successful women. So there's obviously usually

671
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: an amount of stress that comes with that, maybe lack

672
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: of sleep. So what are those two pieces of the

673
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: puzzle as far as like stress and sleep and taking

674
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: care of our body and creating this environment that's a

675
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: good hosting spot for of fertility. So how did those

676
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: things play into it?

677
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: With stress? The first thing that I think about is

678
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: if you're kind of living your life full of stress

679
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: or in another way you know you can think about it,

680
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: you're living in this sympathetic states kind of like flight

681
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: fight or flight. How that is, and if our goal

682
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: is to get to a state where we're trying to

683
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: create something, meaning we want to operate from a place

684
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: of abundance, right, those are completely conflicting sort of energetics.

685
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: You know this and you could probably speak to this.

686
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: It's like that is going to sort of cloud the

687
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: goal we have. Then everything feels much harder, you're more overwhelmed.

688
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: I'm not even going to touch the sleep aspect for

689
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: a second, but just think about stor of these emotions

690
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: that you're balancing and how you're pursuing the goal. One,

691
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: it's going to be very cloudy. You're going to be

692
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: very reactive. You're coming from a place you're doing these

693
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: changes out of a place of anxiety and because you

694
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: feel like you're constantly behind right, you're behind the clock

695
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: on anything advanced maternal age, so on and so forth.

696
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: So that's why you're making changes. But that is not sustainable,

697
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: nor do I want anyone to make changes from that state.

698
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: So if we're really stressed out, that just is an

699
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: opportunity to drop back into what is our goal? What

700
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: are we trying to pursue and are we trying to

701
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: get there from a place of you know, clarity, and

702
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: like what signals are we sending to ourselves? Like all

703
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: of these things really really matter. Did you feel that

704
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 2: the stress that you experienced during kind of your journey

705
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: and like how did you overcome that? Are you? Is

706
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: what I'm saying making sense in terms of like, yeah,

707
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: when I'm super overwhelmed, like stressed out of my mind

708
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: doing all this, I certainly don't have clarity of thought

709
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: about my goal and what I'm pursuing and I'm in

710
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: present in the moment, because that's not possible, right, I mean,

711
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: like this bucket of emotions and this bucket of emotions,

712
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: what was your feelings? Like, how were what was your

713
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: life experience?

714
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think for me, when I look back,

715
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, no, wonder it didn't work because I

716
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: was under so much stress and traveling a lot, like

717
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: my body was under a lot of stress. It was

718
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: a stress I was accustomed to, So I don't know

719
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: that it like stood out to me at the time. Yes,

720
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: but when this process for me did not go the

721
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: way that I wanted it to go, it was the

722
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: first time I think I had to take a step

723
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: back and really start to evaluate my lifestyle and the

724
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: amount of fight or flight I was living in constantly,

725
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: the level of burnout that I had, you know, just

726
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: not really fully being conscious of the impact that my

727
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: lifestyle was having on my physical health, emotional health, and

728
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: mental health. I mean, they're all connected, you know, But

729
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: it was just more of a survival mode that I

730
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: was living in because I was building so much in business,

731
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: and then truthfully, it probably wasn't the right time for

732
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: me to try these fertility things, but that what didn't

733
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: feel like a choice. It felt like, oh God, time

734
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: is running out, so that's adding more stress because it's

735
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: just like the clock is taking the go, go go,

736
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: You've got it, you know. So it's kind of interesting

737
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: that we just think that we can will ourselves to

738
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: get to this place of fertility, and it's kind of

739
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: it was a big lesson for me of like, hey,

740
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot that I can't just control or will

741
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: myself to do physically with this situation. Does that make

742
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: sense how I just said.

743
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: That, Oh my god, are you kidding me? Completely? And

744
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: I mean, heck, you are not alone. There's so many

745
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: that is going to deeply resonate with exactly what they're experiencing.

746
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: And so it's wonderful that you are so open to

747
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: talking about this because we need to have this discussion

748
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: as women. And guess what the goal isn't to like,

749
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: you know, quit your job and go on vacation, right

750
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: It's like no, no, no, no, not at all. But right,

751
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: so afterwards, I mean, did you like, was this weeks afterwards,

752
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: months afterwards, a year as words afterwards that you were like,

753
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: did you feel like you had built up kind of

754
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: a more of a resilience because of all of this,

755
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: Like what is your perspective on this, on this now?

756
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: Like reflecting back.

757
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I think well, for me it was it was

758
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: twofold because the pandemic happened right after this experience for me,

759
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: so it was like I was forced to slow down. Yes,

760
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: like it was a very It was very much the

761
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: time of like I was sent into reflection and so

762
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: then I was able to have a different perspective that

763
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: I might not have been able to had the world

764
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: not slowed down at that time. But I think looking back, yeah,

765
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: it definitely is like it has taught me a lot

766
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: about myself in that I'm very resilient. I am very driven.

767
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: I will work very hard at the things that I want.

768
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I had prioritized this in the way

769
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: that I thought. I that looking back, if this was

770
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: something that I really wanted in my life, I would

771
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: have done differently. You know. I feel very content in

772
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: where I am now and just like, okay, in this lifetime,

773
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: that's not part of my journey. That's okay. But there

774
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: was a lot of grief tied to it, and there

775
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: was a big emotional component for me of feeling unworthy

776
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: and less than as a woman, because you think, as

777
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: a woman, this is the one thing I'm supposed to

778
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: be able to do. And look, I've gotten all these

779
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: accomplishments in my life and this is the one I

780
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: could not do, and I felt like deficient. There was

781
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: like a big piece of yeah, just feeling like not

782
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: good enough or worthy enough for it. And so I

783
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: really had to sit with that for a while and

784
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: appreciate and start to really build an appreciation for my

785
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: body separate from this, because it felt like, why aren't

786
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: you doing this? You know, I was just frustrated, and

787
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: like I said, it was this thing where I've always

788
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: willed myself to get to the places I've wanted to

789
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: get before that, and this wasn't one that I could

790
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: do that with, you know, And so it was really

791
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: this like, Okay, I had to sit with my body,

792
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: appreciating it for the beauty that it still held and

793
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: all that it does do on a daily basis that

794
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: I think we forget all that our body does. And

795
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: then yeah, just really reflecting back on what I would

796
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: do differently if this was a priority for my life, Like,

797
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: if this was something I've really truly was passionate about

798
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: and desperately felt like I wanted, I would have taken

799
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: a step back from a lot of the show dress

800
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: and the work that I was going through. But again,

801
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: like I said, I didn't really realize how stressed I

802
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: was at the time until the pandemic made me stop

803
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, this is I mean,

804
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: this is a slowdown. This is what that looks like.

805
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: I have to say, well, well those kind of two

806
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: two comment. One, I think it's amazing that you have

807
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: a arrived to a space where even though like you

808
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 2: recognize and you're saying like, oh, this is is actually

809
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: not part of my journey right now, it's actually incredible

810
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: that you're still willing to talk to me about a

811
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: goal that you know affects other women. I mean, it's

812
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: just it's so selfless of you, and it's just kind

813
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: of I mean, I did want to point that out

814
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: because I'm like, wow, right, like just because it wasn't

815
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: your path, You're like, yeah, but there could be some

816
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: people's path, and we want to vise their body and

817
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 2: hopefully with this with this book too. I mean, look,

818
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: I hope you got some takeaways as well, absolutely for

819
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: women's health, but yeah, that's one muota the second that

820
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking about. It's almost like, not

821
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: only did you have to sit with the emotions, it's

822
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: basically forcing you to broaden your idea of self worth

823
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: because like you said, it's like, oh, I'm supposed to

824
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: like do this as a female, as a woman, but

825
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: it does kind of force you into doing that, which

826
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 2: is not a bad thing I think for any woman,

827
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: because you know, I guarantee if you don't do that

828
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: kind of broaden your sense of self worth and sort

829
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: of value and purpose in life, life will absolutely find

830
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: a way to keep like slapping you in the face

831
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: with difficulties until you figure it out right until you

832
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: figure out a different mindset and philosophy by which to

833
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: for it. So yeah, that's kind of interesting. And I

834
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: guess one other thing is this is very very hard

835
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: to appreciate in the moment, Like you said, like there's

836
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: no way that you could be speaking about this when

837
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: you were sitting with the emotions right kind of like

838
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: very narrow, like that is your world. However, I have

839
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: the opportunity for people like coming into office, for us,

840
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: having this conversation right now, to just remind them. It's

841
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: like I have them think about a woman that they deeply,

842
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: deeply respect and admire. So not just not just like

843
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: an actress because she's super famous on like the you

844
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: know the movies, like just a woman that's like, oh

845
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: my god, she's really really incredible. There has not been

846
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: one time that someone has told me that they respect

847
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: that individual and look up to that individual because she

848
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: had a child, right, So like think about that in

849
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: terms of self birth and what you're capable of and

850
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: everything you get to do in this life. Like sure,

851
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: maybe you value because she has a big family and

852
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: she can balance sort of like X, Y and Z,

853
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: you could probably you probably like that attribution, right, but

854
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: it's not because like she had a baby, think.

855
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: About it, right, it's true. And also why don't we

856
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: look at that, Like why I kind of really with

857
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: this fertility conversation when it wasn't just going like very

858
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: smoothly like I expected it to. I started to really

859
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that babies are born every single day,

860
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: like multiple times. How intricate this whole process is, Like

861
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: we don't really talk about their respect, or we don't

862
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: talk about fertility and pregnancy and having a child with

863
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: the respect that I think it deserves because there are

864
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: actually so many things that can go wrong and the.

865
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Speaker 2: Fact that everything has to go right, like yes.

866
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: Have to go right, and then it just happens and

867
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: we go, oh, someone had a baby, and it's like, no,

868
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: that's a miracle that that happened, and it's in a

869
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: beautiful thing that bodies can ever do that In general,

870
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: I just walked away with so much more respect for

871
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: that whole process. And also, I was when you're talking

872
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: about the self worth piece, I think that it's important

873
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: to talk about those pieces as a woman because I

874
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: would imagine that carries on into motherhood as well, and

875
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: just the balancing of life and work and you know, motherhood,

876
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: all of those pieces. I think I went through a

877
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: piece of that kind of that's.

878
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 2: Going to serve you, you know later in life where

879
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: whether you're whether you're a mom or not. And again

880
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: a mom that can have multiple definitions.

881
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

882
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: We don't even need to go we don't even need

883
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: to go down that put. But yeah, that can have

884
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: so many definitions and how it looks. But when you

885
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: are taught sort of resilience and to go through these

886
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: hard things, let's say, if you didn't do that, I mean,

887
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: how are you going to transmit that to children or

888
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: other people in your life if you don't have sort

889
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: of that that resilience, Right, So I just think all

890
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: of this does kind of transfer to to other humans

891
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: that you spend time with. That that's a beautiful thing

892
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: as well.

893
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's so many pieces of it, like we said,

894
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: that can go right or wrong. And I think what

895
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about is so important about just creating an

896
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: environment of health in general. And like we've said in

897
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: the book Trying, which comes out in January, by the way,

898
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: there's so much about building. There's all these tangible takeaways

899
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: which I love to give the listeners, But there's just

900
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: so much about building the environment to support not only

901
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: your health for the baby, but also your health for yourself.

902
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: And I know as I move into my forties, hormones

903
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: and all of those conversations are you know, menopause, that's

904
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: all coming up and so this matters for that too.

905
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you would say you want

906
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: listeners just to walk away with, whether they're trying right

907
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: now to have a baby, if it's something they want

908
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: in their future, or if they've already gone through the process,

909
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: Like why is this an important conversation to you?

910
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, what first point when you talk about you know,

911
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: it's whether it's perimenopause, menopause kind of thinking about those

912
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: transitions too. Again, I'm not saying like, oh, well you

913
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: should still get my fertility book. I do want to

914
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: point out that if you're really looking for just a

915
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: root cause approach to health, that yes, that gives you

916
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: like hundreds of tangible takeaways. And I think what kind

917
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: of comes to mind when you said that is this

918
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: environmental component, these kind of microplastics, endocrine disrupting chemicals. So

919
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: there's research on how sort of your exposure to this

920
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: and your collective sort of cumulative exposure to this that

921
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: can sort of accelerate the process of reproductive aging. So

922
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: they even found I'll just gott to give you one

923
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 2: tidbit of other information that the women who had the

924
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: highest exposure entered into menopause four years earlier, which is

925
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: mind blowing. So again, this stuff has relevance because it's

926
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: affecting our physiology. So just put that in the back

927
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 2: of your mind. That is so important to protect your body.

928
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Speaker 2: And I just hope if I achieve one thing, it

929
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 2: is that one woman can go into the journey that

930
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: so many experience like you experience, and actually have that

931
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: deep empowerment and also have that deep respect of like

932
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: self worth and confidence. That's what I want for every

933
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: woman then and really throughout her lifetime. The one thing

934
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: that I want people to take away, because yeah, I'm

935
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 2: all about the tangible takeaways, but I won't give you one.

936
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: I'll just say that there's always more than one path

937
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 2: to accomplish the goal, and if you are not seeing that,

938
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: it just means you're locked in to one version of reality,

939
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: whether that's based off of comparison to your peers, which

940
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: is a thief of joy anyway, or whether that's based

941
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: off of societal expectations. That is living inside of a box,

942
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: and I just want that's really kind of my last

943
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: takeaway for everyone is don't you know, don't live in

944
00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: that restricted mind.

945
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: I fully support that as the takeaway. I love that

946
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: because I think all of us are so individual and

947
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: to me, this conversation about overall health in general is

948
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: something that I want everyone to feel empowered by, not disempowered.

949
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: So again, the book is called Trying a science backed

950
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: Plan to Optimize Your Fertility. I'll put a link for

951
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: you guys to go pre order. It comes out in January. Rachel,

952
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: Where else can people keep up with you if they

953
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: want to follow along on your journey?

954
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have a website, so Rachel Swanson dot com.

955
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: And you know, Kelly, I'm I'm always behind the scenes

956
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: like that. That's where I like to be just one

957
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: to one with people. But I will become more social

958
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: with this whole book launch or else my publishers might be.

959
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Speaker 1: Very sent me.

960
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: So my Instagram is at Rachel's RX, so I'll be

961
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: posting a lot more there as well.

962
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Speaker 1: Amazing Again, I'll put all of that in the description

963
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: of this podcast. For you guys, thank you so much

964
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: for being here and having this conversation with me.

965
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kelly Ivan, you are just a beautiful soul.

966
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: So thank you for inviting me in and talking about this.

967
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 3: MHM.