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Seeing 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: as our Minnesota Vikings are not playing on Thursday, they'll 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: be playing on Sunday, we thought we would bring one 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: of our favorite guests back, who experience is a Thanksgiving 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: game every single year. The Great Zach Martina, die hard 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: Lions fan, is in to talk about Thanksgiving and the 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: NFC North Race. I think you guys are gonna love 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: this one. Enjoy the show. The recket Rocket im here 20 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: welcome everybody to the Thanksgiving week edition of the Tailgate 21 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: and joining me. I know we play the Arizona Cardinals, 22 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: but I wanted to talk about Thanksgiving. And who better 23 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: to discuss Thanksgiving with than a man whose team plays 24 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: every year on Thanksgiving than a man whose team is 25 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: in first place in the NFC North and relevant for 26 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: the first time in fifty years. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome 27 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: back to the program. Fan favorite Zach Martin. 28 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: Hello, Zachary high sidh and I just want to you 29 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: you forgot tied for first place in the NFL. 30 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: You forgot I mean with some more of an NFC 31 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: you know, an NFC North conversation. We were talking a 32 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: little bit off air before we started the show, and 33 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: I realized we needed to bring it onto the air. 34 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: You are right now riding high with a level of 35 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: confidence that is foreign to me, and I am curious. 36 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: Are you not concerned about the let down like you? 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: You seem so in and why not? You've got the 38 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: best team in football potentially, But is there is there 39 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: no worry that the more you climb this mountain, the 40 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: harder the fall could possibly be. 41 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: Uh? 42 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: Come January February time or is it just a lack 43 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: of success historically that you're just enjoying the ride. 44 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: I mean, it's all of the above. 45 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: And I know that's kind of a cop out answer, 46 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: but you said confident, yes, but it's you also said 47 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: the word concerned. I would say it is a concerned 48 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: confidence because we have been hurt before. Now I've never 49 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: now listened. Think about the Lion King and Pride Rock 50 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: where Rafiki holds Simba up to the sky and it's 51 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. I mean, that's about the height we 52 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: would fall from. Yeah, circle of life, and that would 53 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: and that would definitely be painful. 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: Last year, there. 55 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: Was disappointment when we h when we blew it there 56 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 2: in the second half of the NFC Championship game. 57 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: However, this year. 58 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: Like we were over all last year, proud, like excited, 59 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: like no one expected that to happen so quickly, this 60 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: year will feel a little bit different. I mean, just 61 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: the way the offense is destroying people. Our defense has 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: given up eleven second half points in the last five games, 63 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: and all of those were to Green Bay. 64 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: Our team is very good, and it will it will hurt. 65 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: I saw a stat the other day that said betting 66 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: sites are really really pulling against the Lions because there 67 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: has never been a team that had more futures bet 68 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: placed on them. 69 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: So they still to lose a lot of. 70 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: Money because the the interesting thing from an outsider's perspective, 71 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: I look over at your team and I think often 72 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: I think we're so tricked by Tom Brady and Patrick 73 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: Mahomes into this idea that you can be a perennial contender, 74 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, through over the course of decades. It's just 75 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: not really reality in the NFL. And unless you have 76 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: a surefire first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback, and so 77 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: you are the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills are doing 78 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: some sneaky stuff right now. 79 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me do it here. 80 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: Sneaky but sneaky good where Joe Brady is coming there 81 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: and they've always been a downfield passing attack and now 82 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: it's all short intermediary. Josh Allen has thrown like touchdowns 83 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 1: to eleven people. It's just there's something, there's something different 84 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: and interesting over there. 85 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: And Amari Cooper has not been one hundred for them 86 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: since that first game there. I mean, he is going 87 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: to change the game for that's. 88 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: That's one hundred that's that's absolutely correct. And so I'm 89 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: looking at you guys. I do think you're the best 90 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: team in the NFL right now. But I think this 91 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: is a seize the moment for you situation because Goff's 92 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: contract is gonna it's gonna click in, right and that's 93 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: gonna change your roster. You've got Ben Johnson who seems 94 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: like almost unwilling to consider being a head coach anywhere else. 95 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: At some point he's and I hope that meantime. 96 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine it does. But at some point 97 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: we're both in that situation. We both have coordinators who 98 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: we know should be head coaches right now. Sure, and 99 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time. And I think we're 100 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: both sitting there going, you know, there's this window. So 101 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm curious about, where I think when 102 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: I talk to you, you act like you're just walking 103 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: into the beginning of the hey day, and me, as 104 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: a sports fan, I'm going, I mean, I hope, So, 105 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this might be the year. This might be it. 106 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: It has to be, this might be, this might be. 107 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: That's the worry I have every week is that it's 108 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: I hope we don't buy into our hype and so 109 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: far we have not. It seemed like Houston we may 110 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: have bought in a little bit. And then Dan Campbell 111 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: did what Dan Campbell does and and rallied a group 112 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: of men in the locker room to come back and 113 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: win that game. Then Jacksonville, I mean that was that 114 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: was rough for any Jag fan. 115 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: And then this past. 116 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: Week against the Colts away, I mean, we're six and 117 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: zero away right now, which is bananas. 118 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: It's a pretty crazy number. I have. Everybody who's listening 119 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: to the show forever knows that I'm a worrying fan. 120 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: I tend to think the bottom is going to fall out. Well, also, 121 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't keep me from enjoying the big moments. I 122 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: don't in the big moments, I don't go oh no, 123 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: like I still enjoyed. I just like I'm more of 124 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: a worrier. But I've been quietly saying this and now 125 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm starting to loudly say it. I also think the 126 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Vikings are in a moment here. Okay, I don't know 127 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: that I'm right, but they're just showing pieces of everything. Right. 128 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: So this weekend, Hockinson and Addison finally get going right. 129 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: I mean, Aaron Jones had a great game. 130 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, if you actually watch the game, 131 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: it was like a little at the beginning and a 132 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: little at the end when it was important. So they 133 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: haven't really put the run game together the end. It's 134 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: like different weeks. They've had different pieces of the offense, 135 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: and at some point, I'm telling you, man, if an 136 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: offense doesn't truly figure this defense out at some point, 137 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: if coach O'Connell is as good as we all believe 138 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: he is, at some point he's gonna pull all these 139 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: pieces together. And dude, I think there is a chance 140 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: that they make a run. I think there is a 141 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: chance they beat the Lions. I think this is a 142 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: unique moment for them as a team as well, given 143 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: what Brian Flores is doing and the fact that he 144 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: probably will be somewhere else next year. And you look 145 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: at the last two games. This is the most underrated 146 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: thing with the Vikings. Sam Donald was phenomenal against the 147 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: Bears because they've been playing this too high safety stuff. 148 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: You know, they've been trying to make and he had 149 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: those run of games where he turned the ball over 150 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: a bunch and everybody freaked out. He was forcing it 151 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: to Jefferson. Now you are actively seeing Sam Donald when 152 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: he drops back on these long drops, with these long 153 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: developing plays, and you see him, Oh, there's nothing, there's nothing. 154 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: He is taking the sacks and he's throwing the ball 155 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: out of bounds and he's not forcing it anywhere. 156 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: I think the same thing about Jared Goff that you 157 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: said a very interesting thing. 158 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: And I the way that you. 159 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: Describe sacks being put upon a quarterback is very very 160 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: interesting because I think the verb makes a difference. And 161 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: what you just said about Donald, I fully believe about golf, 162 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: he is not getting sacked. He is taking sacks because 163 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: he is a like that's his choice, that's what's best 164 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: for the offense. It's not necessarily the defense. I mean, 165 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: the defense is winning, but he's not making a home 166 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: run mistake, if that makes sense. And I think the 167 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: ability to take sacks, and I think what you're saying 168 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: about Sam Darnold, like he's at a time now where 169 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: it's a brand new team. He's you know, this is 170 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: his first year in that system. I think it's starting 171 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: starting to click. I think he's just starting to see 172 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: things with a wider scope. 173 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And I think figuring out. It 174 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: almost is like, uh, when you warm up in tennis, 175 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the dumbest metaphor in the history 176 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: of the world. Right, So you know, at least when 177 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: I would warm up when I played tennis, I would 178 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: never go back to the service line, right. I stretch 179 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, I take some groundstrokes from 180 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: the baseline. Then you come up and you play them 181 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: that a little bit, get your arm loosened up, so 182 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: you kind of dial some things in, and then you'd 183 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: go back and you'd start serving. But when you serve 184 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: to me, I always put the first handful of serves. 185 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: I just uncorked them, and I you know, I shot 186 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: past the box, right sure, I intentionally overshot, and then 187 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: I dialed things in. 188 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: The same thing in pickleball. 189 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: It's that's what the Sam Darnold season has felt like, though, 190 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: Right he goes out the first few games and they're 191 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: just kind of taking groundstrokes and and and working the net. 192 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: And they can do that because the defense was on 193 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: a historic run, right. You know that that Texans game, 194 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: that Packers game, the whole game was tilted against the 195 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: other team because of all the turnovers, like missed field goals, 196 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: fourth down stops, all this stuff. Then they kind of 197 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: turned on. They pushed it a little bit, and here 198 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: he is that you know, you lose Christian Darisaw, you're 199 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: making some mistakes. They they out, they pushed out a 200 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: little far, and now they're reeling it back in where 201 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: it should be. I think the real test is you 202 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: would have loved to, as a Vikings fan see in 203 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: this run of what I think some people would call 204 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: subpar opponents right the AFC South into the Bears. You 205 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: would have liked to have seen a more complete offensive performance. 206 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: But I would argue the last two weeks with how 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: well Sam played, they were a moment away in each 208 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: game from feeling that way. If Jalen Naylor catches the 209 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: touchdown against the Titans, that's a thirty point game. It's 210 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: a block. Sure. If Brandon Powell doesn't set a literal 211 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: basketball screen, I think the play still works. Jefferson scores 212 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: a touchdown and it's the same thing there. So they're 213 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: just so close, and with the Cardinals and the Falcons 214 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: coming up, I think if you're a Lions fan, and 215 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't talk like this, but if you're a Lions fan, 216 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: what you absolutely don't want to see in the next 217 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: two games is what you saw last night from the 218 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, where you go, oh, the Eagles have an identity. 219 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: They're really like this Barkley thing was a thing, but 220 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: it really is. You just really don't want to see 221 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: the Vikings offensive identity gel the next two weeks. 222 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: If you're you no, I don't. 223 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, what I don't want to see in the 224 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: next few weeks is any kind of loss from the 225 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: Lions because right now we are ten and one, the 226 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 2: Packers are what nine and two, and you're eight and three. 227 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: Oh flip pop, we're nine and two. They're eight and three. 228 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: You're nine and two, they're eight and three. The NFC 229 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: North is I mean, this is the league right now. 230 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: This is the hottest division, the toughest division. I mean, 231 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: the Bears record doesn't reflect it, but they're playing a 232 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: lot of teams tough. So I mean you take that 233 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: as you will. I don't want to see losses because 234 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to see us potentially lose what we 235 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: have in this moment, which is the number one seed 236 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 2: and the bye. Now, when you speak about the Philadelphia 237 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: Eagles and their identity, as far as running the ball, 238 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: our defensive identity is stopping the run. And I know 239 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: you're speaking of the Minnesota Vikings. The passing attack in particular, 240 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: for me, is always the strong suit for your team. 241 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: Not that Aaron Jones is a subpar running back, He's 242 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: a great running back. I just think what you have 243 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: in the receiving corps is something special. We are also 244 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: top five in the in the past defense. So I'm 245 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: I'm worried constantly of what could happen with the Lions 246 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: because in the past we have lost games in an 247 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: instant and this is the first time in my life 248 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: this year and last year where we have been winning 249 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 2: those games. So I'm still way too familiar with the 250 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: one play going the other direction. 251 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: And it's it's it is. You have an interestingly difficult 252 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: this So it's Thanksgiving week. You guys play on Thanksgiving 253 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: every year. You need to send a postcard to the 254 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings organization for breaking the Bear's spirit in that game, 255 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 1: like that loss, that loss after getting a field goal 256 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: block to so those last two losses, you go, Okay, 257 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: that's a tough thing to recover from because if they'd 258 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: have been picking up some momentum, you know, with the new. 259 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: Coordin, especially with the locker room turmoil they have. 260 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, with the new coordinator is helping. Like, I think, 261 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: this is a sneaky, big moment in your season. You 262 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: gotta go out and you gotta do exactly what you're 263 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: supposed to do. If something goes weird and something goes 264 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: wrong and you lose this game, goodness, gracious, buddy, you 265 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: go Packers Bills Bears again, and who knows what that 266 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: Niners will be before you get us to get to 267 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: the end of season. You are in that situation where's 268 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: there's no weirdly at ten and one, and as the 269 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: best team in football, you have a no room for 270 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: error game because of how good the division is. On 271 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving we have now, I do think, I do think 272 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: that Dolphins are gonna come in and smack the Packers around. 273 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: I really think that. I know too, it doesn't play 274 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: well in the cold weather, but I think we're gonna be. 275 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: He's been playing lights out since he got back. 276 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: We are gonna be enjoying pie. Well, green Bay gets 277 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: smacked around. 278 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: I really really hope that is. 279 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: I just need to believe that if green Bay is 280 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: getting smacked around by Miami. Come that night, I will 281 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: make some sort of margarita and top it with spray cheese. 282 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: All right, That's what I will do. 283 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what the most Viking thing in 284 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: the history of being a Viking fans. You somehow blow 285 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: it against the Bears. The Dolphins go in and smack 286 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: around the Packers, and we walk into Sunday against the 287 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals with everything in front of us at this state, Mike, 288 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they should be I'm just telling 289 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: you the mental makeup of this state as sports fans, 290 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: they're like I think, if they somehow win that game 291 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: against the Cardinals, you'll just hear the whole stadium instead 292 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: of the skull chant, You'll just hear them go oh, 293 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: and it's just them exhaling after a three and a 294 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: half hour breath. 295 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: Hold. Well, I don't think you have to worry about 296 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: I'm very confident going in against the Bears own for. 297 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: A few reasons. 298 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: I love that for you. 299 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: It's home. It's a home game, which obviously huge. It 300 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: is up until these past few years, like the Thanksgiving 301 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: game was the only nationally televised game we had. It 302 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: was It's always been a big deal for Lions fans, 303 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: and the last few years on Thanksgiving, we have lost 304 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: at the end of the game. We have lost at 305 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: the end of the fourth quarter on some crazy kick 306 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: or some blown cover like we have just this is 307 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: a game that Dan Campbell is like, we are winning 308 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: this and then we're going and we're handing out turkeys 309 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: to the community. I'm confident we're winning this game. 310 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: Is there any part of you that's sitting around wondering 311 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: if and so with the Vikings, it's always the kicker, 312 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Like I know every as Parker Romo lined up to 313 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: kick the even I was going, just go get the touchdown. 314 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Why do we got to risk it? Like yeah, you're 315 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: just waiting for the kicker thing to happen. Is there 316 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: any part of you in Detroit that is just sitting 317 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: there going when is Dan Campbell gonna Dan Campbell? When 318 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: is that? Because I would argue, now, I think you're 319 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: giving me a look right now, so you're not gonna 320 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: lie what I'm about to say. 321 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: I'm hoping to understand what you're saying, because Dan Campbell 322 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: always is Dan Campbell's. 323 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: Yes, but there's a you can Campbell good and you 324 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: can Campbell bad, and so I think the Campbell gamble, 325 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: the Campbell gamble, that's how is that not a t s? 326 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: Not a thing? 327 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: How? Yeah, that's Jay? Can we trademark that? Go ahead? Well, 328 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: the show's going, can we go ahead and trademark that. 329 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: So we were talking about the Bills and that big 330 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: Bills Chiefs game. 331 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: We played last year on Thanksgiving, which is why you 332 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: lost really excited for that Bill's game coming in the 333 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: last seconds. 334 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: So when Josh Allen what I believe to be the 335 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: play of the year thus far, fourth and two, they 336 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: go for it in their own zone, Josh Allen picks 337 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: it up on a scramble, gets all the way in 338 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: the inn zone, scores a touchdown. You know, Nick Wright 339 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: said this thing where he's like he thinks Josh Allen 340 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: is the greatest scrambling quarterback of all time, not running 341 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: but like on a design pass play, the most devastating 342 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: scrambler of all time, which is kind of hard to 343 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: argue with. 344 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: But I got a real issue with Nick Wright his 345 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: hair that he called Jared Goff. 346 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: He's like, any civilian could run the Lions offense, and 347 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: I'm like, you're obviously not looking at statistics. 348 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: I love that you've joined the real NFL world where 349 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: your team is relevant enough that you can start hating 350 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: certain analysts. That's how you know. 351 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: Before we just hated all of them because they were right. 352 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: That's how you know it matters. We're like, we hate 353 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: Nick right in Detroit. 354 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: I hate him. 355 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: No other, no other quarterback in the league is getting chanted. 356 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 2: Just Disney World broke out in a Jared Goff chant 357 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: last night. It's awesome. Don't you talk about that, Nick. 358 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, go on, I'm upset. 359 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: So when you are in that fourth and two, I 360 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: think analytics conventional with him. They all have to be 361 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: set on top of the reality of the situation. And 362 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: that reality is you cannot give Patrick Mahomes the ball back. 363 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: You can't. You can't give him the ball back. Like 364 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: who you are playing against matters. And the interesting thing 365 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: about Dan Campbell is he and his Campbell gamble have 366 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: been immune to influence by situation or opponent. And I 367 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: thought that is what cost them the game last year 368 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: against the San Francisco forty nine ers. But I haven't 369 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: seen it this year. I've seen it in a Vikings game. 370 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: I've watched him, I've watched him cost them a Vikings game, 371 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: but I haven't seen it this year. So are do 372 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: you guys believe because of how good Ben Johnson's been 373 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: and all this, do you do you believe that the 374 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: that is behind you? Or are you kind of wary 375 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: of a moment where the Campbell gamble doesn't recognize its 376 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: surroundings and starts screaming in a room full of people. 377 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: I can't I cannot go against the Campbell gamble because 378 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: of how often it has worked out for us. If 379 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: I I feel like if I get mad at once 380 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 2: situation where he gambles and it doesn't. 381 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: Know why, why can't you say why can't you say 382 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: we want you to Campbell gamble? But also recognize the 383 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: gravity of the moment. 384 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 2: I think he believes. I think he believes in his team. 385 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: I think he believes in I mean that's why you 386 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 2: constantly see us running on third down and twelve, because 387 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: he knows we can get six yards and then we 388 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 2: can convert on a fourth and six. Like he believes 389 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: in our offensive line. He believes in Jared Goff's command 390 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: of the offense. I mean, you've seen far less. I 391 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: mean when he's when he came to Detroit. The Campbell 392 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: gamble was I'm gonna fake punt. I'm gonna fake punt 393 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 2: and we're gonna get a first down that way. And 394 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 2: then as the years have progressed, it is no longer 395 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: like hey, I mean, there's a fake punt in there 396 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: every once in a while, but it's not a special 397 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: teams gamble. It is my offense is gonna run it 398 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: down your throat or I'm gonna make you think you 399 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 2: are and then I'm gonna dump it off across the middle. 400 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: I just I can't. 401 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 2: It's worked far too many times to where I if 402 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: it goes bad once. 403 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: So if he makes a decision in an AFC champion 404 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: or in an NFC championship game or a super Bowl 405 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: when there's a high level opponent on the other side, 406 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: like like the like the last year with this forty 407 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: nine ers, when he should have taken those field goals, 408 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: in my opinion, are punted, you will you And I'm 409 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: not I'm not pushing, I'm not bullying. It's just a 410 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: genuine question from a fan psychology standpoint, if he does 411 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: that in an NFC championship or a super Bowl, you 412 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: will take solace in the idea like, well, we wouldn't 413 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: be here if he didn't do that every time. That's 414 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 1: that's what you can walk away with. 415 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: I do believe that we wouldn't have been in the 416 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: u NFC Championship if we didn't have a few Campbell gambles. 417 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it just it just wouldn't have happened. So 418 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: the fact that Dan Campbell, like I said, Dan Campbell 419 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 2: is always going to Dan Campbell, that that is exactly 420 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: what he does, I would be I would be more 421 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: concerned if he changed his mentality because that's not this 422 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: team that's at all. 423 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: Well, tough boys play tough because when they're tough, they 424 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: need to be tough, and it ain't no room for 425 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: not being tough. Like, isn't there some nuance? Isn't there 426 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: when you have a coaching staff large enough to fill 427 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: an entire jet, which is what most professional sports organizations are. 428 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: Don't don't you wonder as a fan, don't you go, Okay, 429 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: who's the guy you have hired? Delane and the coaches 430 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: here and go, hey, Dan, they're the best defensive football 431 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: And you go up ten here and there's only four 432 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: minutes to play, let's go ahead and go up ten here, Dan, like, 433 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: isn't that. 434 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: Well, it's it's not. I will. 435 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 2: I know for a fact that it is not just 436 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: Dan Campbell riding his hunch. I know that there is 437 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: an entire section of their coaching box that is dedicated 438 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: to analytics and the particular situations like he's informed. 439 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 3: Dan Campbell will have you believe he. 440 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: Is just some guy who throws bills a hay in 441 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 2: his spare time. But that is Dan Campbell is an 442 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: educated dude, Dan Campbell. He may not, be, in my opinion, 443 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: the greatest x's and o's guys, but I think Dan 444 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: Campbell situationally does not get enough credit for how good 445 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: he is. 446 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: He just sees the game a little differently. 447 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: Does your defensive coordinator? They call plays? Right? 448 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: Both of our coordinators call plays? 449 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? See I really to me, that's my favorite part 450 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: about Dan Campbell. I like the old school like CEO 451 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: of a football team, Like I love what we have. 452 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: But I was a Denny Green fan. I like the 453 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: old days where you're like Brian Billick's your O coordinator, 454 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: Tony Denji's your decordinator. I do think there's something to 455 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: be said for that, because I think everything you hear 456 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: about Campbell is he's a good leader, and he's a 457 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: good motivator. It's like being you know, yeah, it's like 458 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: being a president. It's all who you put in charge 459 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: of stuff, right, and how you support them. Sure, and 460 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: so I do. I will give you that. I do 461 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: really like that about him. And then I think that 462 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: allows him to succeed at what he's very good at 463 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: and keeps him from not succeeding at the things he's 464 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: not good at. 465 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: What you have to consider too with Dan Campbell is 466 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 2: once you've earned Dan Campbell's trust, you have it. When 467 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 2: we when we first hired Dan Campbell, Anthony Lynn came 468 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: in and he was our offensive coordinator, and that offense 469 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: was not hummin it was not doing great. Ben Johnson 470 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: was on that staff as the tight ends coach. He 471 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: took over as the interim offensive coordinator, not even like 472 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 2: just outright got the job, and Dan Campbell called the 473 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: plays for a few times, like for I don't know, 474 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: a few games until close to the end of the season, 475 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: and then he started just slowly giving Ben Johnson right, 476 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 2: you call it here, you call it here, and we 477 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: would we would get big, big yards all of a sudden. 478 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: Ben Johnson is calling the game, and now he's this 479 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: mad scientist who's built the entire offense around Jared Goff. 480 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: I think that's why. 481 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: I think that's why Nick Wright is an idiot, because 482 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 2: they built this offense around. 483 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: All roads lead Nick Right. 484 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: They built this offense around Jared Goff, so like, I 485 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: don't think any civilian could run it. And I think 486 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: I think he did exactly what he wanted to do. 487 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: He wanted someone to talk about some bad opinion that 488 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: he has instead of just saying this is just a 489 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 2: guy with hair, like I know what it's like to 490 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: be a guy with hair. 491 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 3: That he's an idiot. 492 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 1: Here here, here's the thing. We're just gonna find out 493 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: because he's got the contract, and over the next couple 494 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 1: of years, the roster is gonna change. 495 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: I agree, But that contract is gonna look good as 496 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: the years go on, maybe comparatively, maybe, I think so. 497 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying it might, you know, depends how much the 498 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: cap goes up. I'm not smart about that stuff, but 499 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's one of two things. They voted Josh 500 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: Allen in the Players Survey the most overrated quarterback in 501 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: the NFL. I think everybody thought Diggs was gonna leave 502 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: and they were gonna fall apart, and it just turns 503 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 1: out the exact opposite has happened, and he's one of 504 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: those guys. 505 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: The mahomes Hill situation. 506 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, he can carry a team through his big salary, 507 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: and it'll be really interesting to see if he's one 508 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: of those guys if Ben Johnson finally decides he wants 509 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: to be a pro football head coach somewhere. But I 510 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: don't know, man. Here's what I will tell you. Here's 511 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: what I know what you want. I know that you 512 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: want to win every game the rest of the way, 513 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: finish sixteen in one and be the one seed. I 514 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: think that makes a lot of sense to me. What 515 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: I would like is I would like the Vikings to 516 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: win the next couple of games, and I'd like you 517 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: to drop one of the next two, preferably to I 518 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: think green Bay is who you have af does it 519 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: go Bears and then green Bay. 520 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: Green Bays just before the Niners. Yeah, Green So December fifth, 521 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: we have the Packers, we have two Thursday games. 522 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I would like the Packers to drop one 523 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: to the Dolphins. Then I would like them to beat 524 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: you I'd like us to win two and a couple 525 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: of weeks from now, I'd like this just to be 526 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: a big, gross, ugly meat grinder with four games to 527 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: play and four games in which we play. We play 528 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: the Packers and the Lions. There's two games there you play. 529 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: I think at least us do you play the that'll 530 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: be have you played the Packers yet? 531 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: Let's we got to go back to the Dan Campbell mentality. 532 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: We are playing the Bears twice, those are division games. 533 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: Dan Campbell gets up for those games. We are then 534 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: playing the Packers, who I'm and Ross Saint Brown has 535 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 2: really lit a fire under this team as far as 536 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: like f the Packers, you know, like that's the whole mentality, 537 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 2: that's our I mean, that's they're They're trying to make 538 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 2: this rivalry like a thing. But we're at home. Our 539 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: home games are different. So we've got home this week 540 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: against Chicago. That's gonna make a difference. The hatred for 541 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 2: Green Bay, especially since like elgind Jenkins or something after 542 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 2: the last time we played him. They go, I mean, yeah, 543 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: the team that made more plays one, but the better 544 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: team didn't win. That is bulletin board material that they've 545 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: been looking at ever since the Bills. We play thereafter 546 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: they just barely beat us last year during Thanksgiving. Dan 547 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: Campbell is going to make sure that they know that. 548 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: Then after the Bills, we've got the Bears again, which 549 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: is going to be at Chicago. 550 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 3: That's a trap game. May then we have the forty 551 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 3: nine ers. 552 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: Who I mean, can you talk about a more revenge 553 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 2: game than the NFC Championship? The Chicago Bears game away 554 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: is the is the scariest one. 555 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: For me more than the Bills. 556 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: I think the Lions get up for the Bills, and 557 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: I think we're playing at home. The Bills are certainly 558 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: maybe the best team that we have left. But I 559 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 2: think that I think that the team gets up for 560 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: that game, especially at home. 561 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? You go to the Thanksgiving game? 562 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: No, I have we go over to my wife's family's house, 563 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: of which there are like twenty seven people. 564 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 3: There and we're all watching the game. 565 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: That'd be a terrible like that alone, like a giant 566 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: family gathering where it used to be like we all 567 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: go there, we watched the Lions lose and we eat. 568 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: Now it's like we did that last year against the bills, dude. 569 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: It was one of my greatest memories on a holiday. 570 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: My entire family, like from my in laws who are 571 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: seventy to my youngest nephew who like eight at the time, 572 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: There's twenty seven people all around the TV collectively breathing 573 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 2: the same way big inhales, huge xhals, disappointment, excitement. It 574 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: was wonderful and I'm hoping that this year it ends 575 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: with the dub because that will be a friggin' party. 576 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: Well, I hope a couple of weeks from now, we're 577 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: just in a big gross meat grinder between the three 578 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: of us. 579 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 2: The phrase, I just want to say, the phrase big 580 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: gross meat grinder is super gross. 581 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem. That's actually the name of your guys' offense. 582 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: I don't know meat grinder. 583 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: Sure you know I am not a trash talker, but 584 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: I will be texting you on thanks Staven. I don't 585 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: have a good I don't have a good feeling about 586 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: this game for you, guys. 587 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: That's your heart speaking. That's your heart speaking. 588 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: Can I tell you why? 589 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely? I hope you do. 590 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: The most likely outcome here is that the Bears season 591 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: just falls apart. It's already there but it just completely 592 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: falls apart and it tumbles to the end. Right, But 593 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: they have a pretty good defense. 594 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: Their defense is very good, but no defense has really 595 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: been able to have our offense. 596 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: So you know, we did pretty well against you. But 597 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: there's this other scenario where I think Caleb Williams is 598 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: gonna have a day. 599 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: He has to. 600 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: At some point, he's gonna have a day, and at 601 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: some point, you guys aren't gonna have a day. 602 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: And I think that was Houston. 603 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, but Houston also didn't have a day. I 604 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: think there's a chance I said it on last week's show. 605 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it again. A confluence of events creates 606 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: a very tricky Thanksgiving for you. Now. I'm sure you'll 607 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: text me when you guys win fifty two to eight. 608 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: I'm a very humble fan. I won't do that. 609 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: No, I don't think you'll be cocky about it, but 610 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: I think you'll be like, hey, about that confluence of events. 611 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: I guess there wasn't one. 612 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: I love that you're saying confluence events of events right 613 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: after you said big gross meat grinder, thank you. That 614 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: could not be two more different speaking spells so intelligent 615 00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: but so blue collar. 616 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: Both ends, but. 617 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, if you put them both in 618 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: a drawl, they sound like they matter together. Well, it 619 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: was just a confluence of event advance that put us 620 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: in a big, gross meat grinder. 621 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: And that's how we lost Uncle Bill her chewed him up. 622 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: And then and that is why we will. We bought 623 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: this year's turkey in honor of Uncle Bill. Zach thank 624 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: you for joining us. I hope, I I hope I 625 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: see you shortly on this show and discussing a game 626 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: that matters just a whole. 627 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: I do hope it matters. I do hope it matters. 628 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: I know you want that one seed, But can I 629 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: tell you how fun would it be if the last 630 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: game of the season between our two teams, because it's 631 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: in Detroit, right in Detroit, is the one seed and 632 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: the bye and the division on the line. God damn, 633 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: that'd be good. 634 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: Oh dude, I think Week seventeen is going to matter, 635 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: like I don't think that where either of us are 636 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: playing second stringers. 637 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: We will see. I hope that's right. I hope that's right. 638 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 3: Happy Thanksgiving, sig, enjoy your Thanksgiving. 639 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: What's your prediction? Give me the score prediction for your 640 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: Bears game. 641 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: For the Bears game, now, we didn't say there are 642 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: injuries on our team right now, so that is a concern. 643 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: What my prediction for the Bears game is going to 644 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: be twelve thirty families across the nation watching as the 645 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: Aal Honolulu Blue and who I believe to be the 646 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: true America's team is. Oh, by the way, that Giant's 647 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: Cowboys game is gonna be awful to Veto versus Cooper 648 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: Rush stop it. But I think the Bears Lions game 649 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: is going to end up being probably forty two to sixteen. 650 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: I love that and I will see you soon. 651 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 3: Bye, buddy. 652 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: Thanks again to Zach Martinez for joining the show. Thank 653 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: you guys for listening to our podcas cast feed while 654 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: you're here. Give us a review a rating. It helps 655 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: a ton. Also big thanks to Ticketmaster, the official ticket 656 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings, for helping make this show happen. 657 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: We will see you all again next week.