WEBVTT - Solitary 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.160 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:06.960 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:07.840 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.440 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:31.040 Done done, Hello, and welcome to another episode of your 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.760 favorite podcast That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. I'm one 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:40.120 of your hosts, Kara Klink, and I'm Elisa Tragger, and 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:41.279 we're pumped here. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.200 We do SVU and then we. 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.280 Talk true crime and you know up top, we catch 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.120 up a little bit and we pretend we don't see 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.360 each other almost every day. And this will be our 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.200 third intro in a road talking about Halloween. 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.000 I'm eating Halloween candy right now, baby at nine am. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.639 You lucky bitch, You lucky bitch. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.039 I really had a not I mean, I went to 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:08.920 Rosie's Halloween parade. 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.680 That was very She was thrilled. Her teacher goes, did 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.720 you see her trying to go into the crowd. I go, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.039 she has a friend, Like, I didn't catch that. That's 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.240 so cute. She went to go say hi to you, 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.280 and the teacher thought that Rosie was just like greeting 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.440 the fans like she thought that Rosie was just like 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.880 heading to the talking to her people. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.680 I was having the time of my life. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.720 I mean, Rosie as a zebra was great, but I 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.080 did have a favorite child, and she did win her 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.479 grades costume contest. And then I love the Dunkin Donuts 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.040 Munchkin Box girl. Yeah that was she was the star 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.039 for me. She was the star. The Medusa was nice, 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.760 the Jack Skellington brought it, but I was really feeling 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:49.720 the Munchkins Box. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.720 Yeah, it was really cute. They like parade around. Everybody 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.400 watches they do go by grade. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.640 It was cute. Well I remember our first grade. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.240 You know what was so interesting seeing this Halloween in 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.240 La It was in the eighties and like, yeah, my 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:06.400 whole childhood. 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.600 It was like fuck, like what my cold? I don't 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.119 want it to cover my costume. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.720 Yeah, and then it was like how to be warm 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:20.440 in the costume and these kids were sweating, swearhoods off, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:25.160 like children were struggling and it's such a different experience, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.240 totally totally. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.359 Mom, I don't want to wear a coat. It's gonna 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:29.160 ruin the whole look. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.120 And like here it's like Rosie had kids that are class, like, 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:32.960 go did they not dress up? 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:34.000 She goes, no, he's sonic. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.760 He just got too hot, like you know, like people 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:41.239 just it's it was boiling and I like was out 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.000 in the sun for like five hours because I was 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.440 the chair of the Harvest Festival as an insane person. 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.120 And then I went straight to trick or treating and 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.919 I went to a street that was so wild. It's 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.360 like a classic La street that people love to go to. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.800 And it was too crowded. I'll never go there again. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.320 Could barely walk on the sidewalks. The kids had to 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.000 like you know, wait in line to get into certain 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.680 houses because the stairwalls were like flooded with children. I 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.560 just I'm not doing that shit again. I'm gonna go 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.480 my neighborhood. My neighborhood has good stuff, and I shouldn't 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:12.840 have gone to another neighborhood. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.480 Yeah, you just can't say no. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.040 You have an ultimate fomo and you needed to go 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:17.880 to the main street. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:19.959 And now you learned. I learned. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.560 I learned, and I'll never go back again. But she 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.840 got to see a bunch of her friends, and you know, 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:26.359 it was cute. 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.040 We ran into people. We knew it was cute, but 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.720 it was part of the hood. I don't know. 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.600 I grew up as your trigger treat where you live, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.840 like even the planned and the curfews, and we're actually 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.880 doing it on a Sunday like that that's future shit. 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.600 That's like not a part of my hate. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.080 Yeah, Like I feel like there are people that are like, oh, 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.200 we did our neighborhood does something on the weekend, or. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.520 Like I don't know, yeah yeah, yeah, I mean not 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:50.560 to insult anyone. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.320 Even thinking about kids, like trigger treating in an apartment 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:54.720 building is so funny to me. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.080 Like in New York. 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.760 Yeah, I asked one girl in the class. I asked 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:00.480 her mom because I love her. Mom talked to her 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.160 and I was like, are you where are you guys 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.960 going trigger treating? Because they live around the corner from us. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.520 She goes, I'm not taking her trigger treating. I was 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:06.200 like what. 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:07.960 She was like, she hasn't asked about it. I'm not 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:08.400 taking her. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:13.400 I was like, Okay, that's amazing way she hasn't asked 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.480 about it. Because this woman has like two older children, 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.680 like I think maybe even like twenties or like late 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.480 late teens, and then this and then this four year old. 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.600 So I think she's kind of like I'm done. If 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.239 she asks me, I'll take her. But if she doesn't 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:26.400 mention it, I'm not doing this. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.520 No. I actually so I went to a show called 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.640 Witches and that was really fun. I was devastated to miss. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.440 But then I got home and I watched Alvira and 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.320 you really can tell why RuPaul loves it. You really 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.360 can watching it. It camp It's He's all I think about. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.240 I'm like, oh my god, RuPaul probably cackled at this. Yeah, 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:50.719 oh she loved this. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:54.919 You know. But Elvira Mistress of the Dark really ahead 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:55.400 of its time. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.840 I think I've actually talked about the Vira movie on 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:58.920 this podcast before. 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.279 I yeah, I know, I have yay. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.559 I totally remember being like it's ahead of its time 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.760 because she just keeps getting assaulted and harassed for the 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.520 moment the movie starts till the end, Like most of 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.119 the movie is her shutting down dudes that are trying 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.920 to rape her and then getting like she shows up 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.120 to a town and people in pitchforks are like, you're 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.640 a whore, and it's like all of your boyfriends are 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:23.599 trying to assault her. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.800 But yeah, so it's really kind of it. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.839 It's so funny because it's like I have just this 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:33.320 like general remembrance of like youth being like, oh, well, Vira, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.799 she has her tits out, she's a slut. Oh Dolly Parton, 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.320 she has her tits out, she's a slut. Monica Lewinsky, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.920 like she fucked the president. She's a slut. Like that's 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.280 like what was going on in my like household, I 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:48.080 think because of my Republican dad, And like when I 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.320 now that I look back at all that stuff, I'm like, 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:56.360 oh yeah, these were like icons and all, and I 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:00.000 had completely the wrong idea like revisionist history. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.960 Yeah as a teen, Like I just know so many 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.160 people that are so cool now that we're teen Republicans. 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.120 Yeah, or I. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.960 Remember you think I was grade sitting next to my 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.200 friend who I still keep in such within fourth grade 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:17.039 we are our desks were across from each other, and 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.960 I remember her being like, I don't know, el Clinton's 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:20.760 just so ugly. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.080 I'm a Bob Dole girl. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.000 And I was like, Bob Dole's pretty ugly too, Like 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.920 I remember this conversation like it was Yester. Now I'm 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.400 a Bob Dole girl. Is such a wild thing to 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:30.680 hear from a fourth grader. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:32.920 She was just like, oh, because it's our parent. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.920 It's like you don't even know how you're being brainwashed. 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:41.280 Like there are comedians who are obviously like so liberal 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.279 ahead of everything, and they were teen Republicans and I 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.640 know it. One of my best friends was when she 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.200 got to college, wrote an article about like George Bush. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.760 It's like, eh, and that's why the Republicans hate college 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.159 because then you learn, Yeah, they would prefer you not 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.360 doing that because yeah, and. 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.640 Urban cities because that's where you meet like people with 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.680 different opinions and backgrounds. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:03.719 And yeah. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.720 It's just so funny how they don't get that it's 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.680 a self owned for them to be like, oh, college, 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.080 that's where you turn liberal and gay. And it's like wait, what, 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.600 like you mean the place to learn makes them against you, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.640 Like isn't that a little inclination to. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.800 Maybe you're dumb? I don't know. I don't want to 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.520 alienate it anybody. JK. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.720 We I don't think we have Republican listeners. No, they came, 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:28.920 they left a bad review. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.280 They left. You know, we had them, but they were gone. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:32.840 They're gone now. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.480 I think message almost if you are a Republican who 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:40.680 is just okay putting up with this bash, Oh well, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.120 all of the Catholic apologists that message us, I have 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.680 a new puzzle piece to add to the Catholic puzzle 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.239 of mistrust. And there's name dropping as well. So really, 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.000 this is bait for anyone that's annoyed all. 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.440 Our ones to our people. If you're still hate listening, 0:07:58.640 --> 0:07:59.200 get ready. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.840 So I got an email from my agent and it 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.680 just said, Hey, Jane Fonda and Julia Louis Dreyfus are 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.640 hosting an event about up to have a healthy California. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.240 And I'm known to care about the environment. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:13.920 JK. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.160 I mean, I'm not against it, but I don't you know. 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.720 I'm not on the front lines of environmentalism by any means. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.720 But I am a starfucker. So I did go. I 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.160 went to the environment meeting. I thought it was going 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:28.640 to be in a theater. I thought I was just 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.040 gonna sit with a friend and watch from a distance. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.240 It was in a boardroom. I set two feet away 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.360 from fucking Elaine Bennis like it was wild, and you 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.040 could tell she didn't really want to be there, but 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.040 Jane Fonda roped her into it. She was like, you know, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.839 I told Jane I'd get involved as she needed, and 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:48.520 so here I am, but like I'm being more direct. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.959 It was more like lighthearted. But but I love that. 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.320 It's like it's like a conference room. It's like a 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.960 breakout in the Santa fe room. Like they're just like 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.440 so few people and they're like, all right, let's get 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:03.760 down to brass tacks, the gangs all here, Liza ideas. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:04.880 They really did. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.120 We're like, okay, any questions and then but this happens. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.000 This happened when we went to see friend Liebowitz at 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.199 the theater at the Ace, like where people with their 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.560 questions want to seem smarter than friendly, they want to 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:16.360 prove something. 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.520 They just want to be heard and seen. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.200 And that happened even in a not even of course, 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:24.520 in a room of celebrities. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.200 You know, it was stars studded. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.439 Connie Britton's there, we have there were some svu Alum 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.400 so we had a Sophia Bush and a Rosanna Arquette there, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.800 so that was quite thrilling. But whatever, So all these 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.040 celebs are there and then people that are affected, and 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.160 basically why the celebs were meeting was next year. So 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.720 basically there are just oil rigs across the street from 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.120 schools and children and it's so Aaron Brockovich. These kids 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.800 are getting bloody lungs, coughs, cancers, like they can't breathe, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.440 awful issues. And a law was passed that the oil 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.679 rigs would have to, you know, change their shit up, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.440 become better for the environment and for kids safety. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.040 And this is what happened last year. What does it call? 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.280 Is it a referend that the big oil is coming back? 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.079 And it's kind of what they did with the Uber stuff. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.880 But if Big Oil wins, we can never bring this 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.640 up into the laws again. And basically they've made all 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.000 the oil rigs and oil places like safer in white neighborhoods. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.559 This is environmental racism. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.760 And basically they have tons of money, and so the 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.480 celebs need to be vocal and you guys, so it's 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.360 like California versus Big Oil. It's happening in October twenty 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.320 twenty four, and it's important. And then we found out 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.640 so one of the good questions was, so who owns 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.520 the land these oil rigs are on? And we learned 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.760 that the oil rigs, some of them are owned by 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:54.840 the archdiocese, like that the Catholic bar are some of 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:59.120 the biggest landowners ever and they own all of these 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.480 things that are children. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:02.800 With oil poisons. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.640 Love thy neighbor, so fuck And this is kind of 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:10.240 like the NFL, Like there's better helmets, but they're using 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.240 worse helmets because of a fun deal instead of protecting 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.520 their players. And this is the same thing, like you 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:19.439 can make this safer, you just don't want to. And 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.120 they call these communities that live around they call them 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:28.280 sacrifice zones. They this is like, I don't know, it 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.240 sucks that Aaron Brockovic is the only thing I can 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.520 think of. I'm so uneducated, But listen, Jane Fonda opened 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.600 my eyes to this oil rigs situation, and we'll see 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:42.080 what happens October twenty twenty four. But if you see it, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.640 if you see me on the front lines. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.520 She's gonna be linking arms with Jane Fonda and fucking 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:49.840 Sophia Bush. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:51.160 Say, who all was there? 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.400 I don't know, is it root? Because we weren't even 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.320 allowed to take photos. They like they were like no 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.560 cameras allowed. And then there was like art in the 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.240 lobby that I liked, and before I could take a 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:00.920 picture of it, someone like ran up to me and 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:01.840 was like no photos. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.040 Oh, I think it's like I think, yeah, a photo 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.200 is like different, Like I think you just mentioned who's 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.600 also helping against oil, you know. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.560 I think it's like a compliment to mention who was there? 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.920 I would love that And me and my friend noticed 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:14.960 not very many men showed out. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.160 Oh weird, weird word weird ed. Begley Junior was there, 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:19.520 so that was exciting. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.080 This guy, he has the most annoying name and he 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.760 I can't pull. I mean, he's working, so it's fine. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.280 The guy from American Housewife, Like what the fuck? His 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.880 name is so hard and I'm a fan of his. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:36.320 I mean, I've been watching Deandrik Bader. That's a crazy name. Yeah, 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.520 I guess I don't know what he's yeah, Deandrich Bater, 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.760 how do you know? I feel like I've been watching 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.160 him for decades and every time I'm like, who is 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.040 what is that man's name? Is that? 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.240 He is truly one of those people that I don't 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.600 think he'll ever be like a super huge star, like 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.280 obviously a household name since his name's a little hard, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.920 but like when his memoriam runs at the Oscars in 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.160 fifty years or whatever, I will cry because he will 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.280 be like one of those actors. And I'm like, he's 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.120 in everything, Like he's in everything, that guy. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.320 Yeah, so two hundred and thirty six credits because I 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.520 obviously went to look because I keep having to look. 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.760 For two hundred and thirty six. He's not even that old. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:18.760 That's huge. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.760 Yeah, I think he does tons of voices and yeah 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:25.800 he's in office space. That's where it hit me. But 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.800 he was just in the Blackening. Oh, he was in 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.720 sixteen episodes of Better Things. So Pamela Adline was there. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.439 He takes the daughter to go get her abortion and 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:34.160 Better Things. 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.439 Oh my god, I don't even know if I remember that. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.000 I should rewatch Better Things. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.400 So great, he like takes her they drink a cold 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.000 coke in the car afterwards because she's like, nothing's better 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:46.400 than a cold coke and a bottle. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.400 It's a great scene. Oh my god. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.880 Yeah, Pamela was there, and a hat, glasses, the whole thing. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:57.600 Lily Tomlin was there, MICHAELA. Watkins, Judy Greer, Rosario Dawson. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.000 I mean it was a tiny conference room and then 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:03.840 I was like and then there was people that like 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.840 work within the environment in politics and government and like 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.600 important and then I do wonder how many like people 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.400 like me were there where I was like, I was like, 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.600 I'll go look at Jane Fonda and Julia Louis dreyfe as. Sure, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.360 let's see. But now I ad I'm upset. I mean, 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.480 there's like a young woman there that truly was had 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.640 to be a witness protection program because she went against 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:31.640 Big Oil. It's really and like the uber thing passed 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.520 last year, Like their commercials are deceitful. There's lies, and 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.880 they have hundreds of millions of dollars they can spend 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.320 like no one can go against them. And they make 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:46.440 it so confusing where regular people are being tricked because 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.240 they're trying to trick you on the other side doesn't 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.640 have money. I mean, I truly sound like a nineteen 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.920 year old who just took her first sociology class. And 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.680 I apologize. I'm just like, you have you heard of 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.760 big oil? They have money. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.880 Listen, another industry tree that needs to not be stopped 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.160 is our industry, the industry of us touring and being 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.400 on the road. I just want to take a second 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.720 to move away from big Oil and talk about how 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.440 we are going to be in New York City on 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.560 December sixteenth. I believe there's like a handful of tickets 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.080 left to the six o'clock show. We've added a nine 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.440 o'clock show. Guys, get out and get those ticks. The 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.480 holiday season. We want to spend time with you. It's 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.640 at City Winery, a beautiful venue, so it's going to 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.040 be a six o'clock show, a nine o'clock show. You know, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.640 we meet people afterwards, we do we sell merch, so 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.640 that's tour specific, so come see us. Then the next 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.600 night we'll be in Philly on the seventeenth. We'll also 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.760 be in Sacramento on the thirteenth. Sacramento. When we came 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.680 last year, you guys made us feel like beatles. You 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.960 were the loudest crowd that cheered when we came out. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.720 You were the best. Please come back. We're doing a 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.080 different episode and then that'll be it for twenty twenty three, 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.800 and then we'll see you on Well you'll see Lisa 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.160 to celebrate the Insurrection on January sixth at the at 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.360 the Wet City Comedy Festival. And then our podcast will 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.960 be on January seventh, and that's in Seattle, so if 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:07.120 you live in the Pacific Northwest, Baby get your little 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.040 booty to Seattle and come see us on the seventh 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.600 and that's that all that. 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.960 And then this is actually November eighteenth, so just this weekend, 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.360 I'll be in San Diego, so come on down. That'll 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.800 be my last date of the year. So An and Diago. 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.240 Yeah, listen. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.000 I also was going to say I watched the Jewel 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.360 documentary about Jewel pods, not Jewel the singer. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.120 I was telling somebody about this other day and I go, oh, 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.440 there's like a Jewel documentary. My friend goes, I'd watch that, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.080 and I go it's about the bape and she goes, oh, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:39.120 that's not what I was thinking. 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.640 Well, the person I was with that I made that 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.640 little error was like, oh, that sucks for Jewel the singer. 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.280 I go, well, no, because that's who you thought of. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.440 So she's still the prominent person in your mind, do 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.080 you know what I mean? But Jewel Impacts are owned 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.000 by the same people I know, but I. 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.800 Didn't know that Plume. Listen. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.960 Basically, Jewel treated their product like a tech product, but 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.720 it's nick a team and so they got children addicted 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.960 to it and uh oh uh oh, yeah, you can 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.480 have mango flavor and fun, colorful advertisements if you're in 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:17.640 the space of addictive products. But they were like, we're 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.960 the iPhone of stuff, and so that was kind of 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.800 the main gist of that. If you're interested or you 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:30.639 liked me, you know my quick little summary, let's get. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.040 This party started really quickly. Those dos. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:39.520 No, speaking of docs, what we never talked about was 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.920 Lisa talked on this podcast about the quiz Daddy documentary 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.879 that she watched on HBO Max, and a couple of 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:50.240 our listeners noticed right after that episode aired that doc 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:50.800 is gone. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.280 And that's not like weird they take stuff down. There's 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:54.280 not a mention of. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.080 It, like you know, sometimes you'll look it up, it'll 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:57.840 it'll linko pop up, you click on it and it's 0:17:57.840 --> 0:17:59.400 like no longer available at Hbmax. 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:00.760 It is gone. 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:02.919 There is no mention of it. I went on Twitter. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.200 There's like no mentions of it on Twitter. Maybe one 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.120 mention of it, Like it's weird, Like what happened. If 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:11.879 you have any inside scoop on what happened to the 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.480 quiz Daddy documentary, let. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.360 Us know, well, it was like a propaganda against the CEO, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.560 and like I wonder if he was able to fight 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:21.639 back in some way. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:22.400 I don't know. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:23.840 I don't know why they took it off, but how 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:25.440 lucky that I got to see it. Well, I also 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:26.600 got something else taken down. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.000 Not that I got quiz Daddy documentary, it is amazing, 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.280 but this I think I did. Okay, So Lisa and 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:37.480 I were talking in another forum about awe fetishes and 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.880 we were like, we went we were googling the top 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.000 fetishes and Lisa went to this one on Huffington Post 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.960 and it was listing all these pelias, you know, like 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.480 people that are turned on by bugs and whatever. 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.600 And one of them was like a felia that was 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:52.360 like traction. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:58.439 Two of them, yeah, track was like from like like 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.480 one was like if you're a tracted to thirteen to 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.000 sixteen year olds, you're a this aphelia, and if you're 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.560 attracted to six to ten year olds, you're a dysphelia, 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.880 but not pedophilia. Like they were just like, no, that's 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.320 head of yeah, Like one of them is like you're 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.840 fetish basically. One of them was like your fetish is adolescence, 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:19.880 and it's like that's not a fetish, that's pedophilia. 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.159 That's a crime. And you can't like and it was 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:23.920 just on the list. 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.440 So Lisa like wrote, wrote in you didn't leave a comment, 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.160 you like wrote in a message to the huff Power 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:30.520 or something. 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:31.199 Yeah. 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.480 And then I was talking about it on stage last 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.000 night at my weekly stand up show in Los Angeles, 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.040 and I was like, oh, Lisa and I were talking 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.680 about this, and there's so many crazy things, and I go, oh, 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.080 how about this one where they think it's like adolescence. 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:44.720 And I clicked on the article for HuffPo. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.960 It's gone. It's taken down. Lisa Tragger is the Aaron 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.640 Brockovich of the Internet. It has been taken down. 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.919 But you're forgetting the silliest part, which is it was 0:19:55.000 --> 0:20:00.160 from twenty thirteen. Yes, Lisa's like they could have just 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:04.920 edited it out, like it's from twenty thirteen that we've 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:08.520 found there probably got this message and we're like, oh fuck, Like, oh, 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.159 I wonder if I can find it on like the 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:11.680 way back machine or something. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.359 Oh my god. But so crazy because. 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:16.880 The link is like it still comes up in Google Search, 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:18.399 but when you click on it's like it's been taken 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:22.440 down for editorial reasons or something. And you know, we're 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.639 just doing the Lord's work and getting normalized, the normalization 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.960 of pedophilia. We're trying to combat it, but uh, let's 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:29.960 suddenly do so much. 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:34.120 I get involved, I get involved. We yeah, I did 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.040 get environment, big oil, and big pedophilia. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:38.760 We're coming for you. Well. 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.480 I also wanted to quickly mention when I got called 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.239 a bitch at the airport before eight am, because I 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.480 got involved in something I shouldn't have. But I was 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.359 still pretty relaxed and calm about it. And then the 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.680 guy turned around and went, you bitch. Couldn't believe it. 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:55.480 I was there. 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:59.399 It was wild, like a seven forty eight am bitch. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.320 I was like, I mean, maybe annoying, but like a 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.760 bitch you and Lisa goes, I'm a bitch, but I 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:07.240 can read. 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.160 It was awesome because the guy was like not doing 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.159 what he was supposed to be doing based on signage. 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.760 Anyway, let's get today's episode started. We've got a good 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:16.440 one for you. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.520 He actually looks like a dad that was on the 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:22.800 first season of Wife Swap. But that's neither here nor there. 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.560 That's not a reference for all. Okay, listen, we're starting. 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:32.760 We're starting, We're starting, all right. 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.439 All right, Oh, I just did a podcast the other 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.480 day where I had to do a Matthew McConaughey imitation, 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.520 and I know you like my imitation, so I did, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:40.320 I did do it? 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:41.040 I do. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:46.840 I think that is your secret talent is impressious, especially 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.960 of the elderly like rich, of the elderly rich. Yes, yes, 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:55.680 that's that's grandmother. If anyone has seen us live, they 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.200 fucking know. Yeah, that's why you got to come to 0:21:58.200 --> 0:21:58.720 the live shows. 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.000 Guys. I'm whipping out impressions at those live shows. 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:06.879 All right, So we're doing today Solitary, Season eleven, episode three, 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.359 to be confused with Solitaire, which is fun, which is fun. 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.000 Solitary way less fun, as we find out in this episode. 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.960 This episode came out October of two thousand and nine. 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.000 It's autumnal and. 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:23.879 And you know what, I'm going to do something that 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.040 I've never done. I'm going to bring up silence to 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:26.600 the lambs. 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:30.479 Ooh, how did he get such a nice cage with 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:31.760 like classical music? 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:33.600 How did he get such good digs? 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:41.000 I think those were concessions he was given for helping Clarice. 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.720 Like for helping Clarice, he gets the music. The clear 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.080 cage is because like he cannot have bars. He will 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.800 kill someone like he's too smart, so he gets the 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:55.440 clear cage, like because he's like terrifying. But then I believe, 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.160 if I remember correctly, the music is something he gets 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.360 because he's helping an FBI agent. She's like giving him 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.960 little crumbs. That's so funny because my friend Alice, who 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.680 is like a film profet, like she teaches film in Philadelphia, 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.760 she was just sent me yesterday an article about Jonathan 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.880 Demi and how like the production designer when he first 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:17.760 told her his idea for Silence of the Lambs, was like, 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.240 are you crazy? Like you want to make a movie 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.399 about a man who skins women and wears their like 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.760 kills women and wears their skin, and it swept all 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.800 the OSCAR categories And no movie has done that since, 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:35.080 Like no movie has I think one director, picture, actor, actress, 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:36.480 and screenplay. 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.920 Wow. Yeah, pretty crazy. I remember, I think I've. 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:42.560 Talked about it all the podcast, but I couldn't stay 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:44.639 up late enough to watch the Oscars that year. And 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:46.480 when I woke up, my dad woke me up for school, 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:47.440 and the first thing I said was. 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.040 Did Silence of the Lambs win? Like I was like, 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:53.840 why am I so obsessed with this movie. 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.360 It actually really disturbed me when I was a kid, 0:23:56.359 --> 0:24:00.760 and I probably watched it too young. Okay, so back 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.960 to s view a different kind of disturbing. We open 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.840 on a young douche yammering on his phone on a 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:08.680 business call, and I can tell he's a douche because 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.280 he's wearing like a purply buttoned down and it's unbuttoned 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.440 way too far under his blazer. He's holding a bouquet 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:18.119 of like hot pink hydrangs. It looks like maybe, and 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.440 he tells a person on the phone. He's like, I promise, Lily, 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.080 i'd celebrate our seven month anniversary. 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:23.320 I can't do work right now. 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:25.480 And it's like, you know, we all know seven months 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.760 is an extremely important relationship milestone. And he's like, she's 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.040 a chick, you know how it is, And like, as 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.520 he's letting himself in, he tells the guy it's after ten. 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.400 I'm already late, and she's going to kill me. It's like, yeah, 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:39.760 to after ten on an anniversary night. 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:41.479 It's like you might as well not be doing anything, 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:43.439 so the time doesn't matter. 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.320 It's the it's the three hours that matters. 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:47.000 You know. 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.159 That he was supposed to be there. Yeah, three hours. 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:54.160 Oh I thought for some reason you met, Like ten 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:55.959 o'clock is too late at night, and like even if 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:57.360 this was in the afternoon, it would. 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.280 Be a problem. But I get what you're saying. Yeah, 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:00.679 Like I feel like I don't know. 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:02.520 He's like got to get home from my anniversary thing 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:04.800 and it's like it's almost time to end the night. 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.760 Like I don't know, but he's definitely a low level 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:10.440 trader at bear Sterns or something. 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:14.200 Yes, if does that, I have no idea. Yes, that's 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:14.719 the vibe. 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.879 And they do, and they did before they went completely bankrupt. 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:23.040 So he lets himself into the apartment and there's like 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:26.080 some slow jam music playing, and he sees clothes and 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.719 heels on the ground like a sexy, you know, little 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.480 scavenger hunt. And he's like, all right, I gotta go, 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:34.160 don't call me and hangs up the phone. 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:36.720 And this guy's ready to bone. He starts unbuttoning his shirt. 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.480 He calls out to his girlfriend and he goes ready 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.080 to party with the Parkster and yeah, this man's name 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.480 is Parker and I do hate him. And he goes, 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.520 big guy's been aching for you all day. Referring to 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.359 the little parkst I guess his penis. And when he 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:54.960 gets into the bedroom, the music like intensifies and the 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.280 camera starts doing these wild smash cuts, like to the bed, 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:00.520 there's blood on the pillow, to the mirror smashed and 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.040 there's blood on it. The window it's open, and there's 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.199 a bloody handprint on the window frame. Like it is 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.439 a lot of like wild like with the camera. And 0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.080 then the guy's panics and he starts he starts panicking. 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:12.840 He calls nine one one. He's like, something's happened to 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:13.440 my girlfriend. 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:18.239 Cut to camera flashes photographing the bloody handprints, and the 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:19.200 cops are on the scene. 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.680 They're giving the low down. Lily Milton twenty three. 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:25.320 She lives there with her boyfriend Parker Hubbard aka the Parkstir. 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.640 Benson and Stabler are checking shit out, like it looks 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:30.159 like she was alive when he took her down the 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:33.240 fire escape, because like there's a blood trail. And when 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.880 then when Parker here's fire escape, he goes, oh, it's 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:37.720 got to be that PERV. 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.200 And they're like, who are you talking about? 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.719 And he's like this guy from downstairs, he lives below us, 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:45.520 and he's been peeping on us and the whole last month, 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:47.160 he's been spying on us while we have sex. 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.640 Lily called the cops. They didn't do anything, and. 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:51.479 Live is like, no, they're probably out looking for him, 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:53.639 and it's like, no, Olivia, cops are not all as 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.199 good as you like. They're just not looking. And He's like, 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:57.760 how can it be that hard to find him? The 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:00.399 guy lives downstairs. Oh so that's when we find out 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:01.120 he lives downstairs. 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:01.760 I jumped the gun. 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:03.720 So at first we think it's just a peeping tom 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:05.920 but now we find out it's a neighbor. They knock 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.159 on the downstairs apartment door and who comes to the 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:12.440 door but an actor named Stephen Ray. He's an Irish actor. 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.320 He's from Belfast, from Northern Ireland, I guess. And I 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.679 recognize him from The Crying Game and he got nominated 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.280 for that for an Oscar for that That's mostly where 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:22.959 I know him from. But when I look at his IMDb, 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:24.720 he's been in a ton of stuff. B for Vendetta, 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.800 interview with a Vampires. 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:28.280 Where I know him from because I was like, how 0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:31.160 do I know him? Fever Fandetta did make a big 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:31.960 impact on me. 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:34.439 You know, I was just I saw that on Delta 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.080 the other day, and I go, I should watch this. 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.040 People talk about it all the time and I've never 0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:38.399 seen it. 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:40.720 Well, it might be one of those things that was 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:44.400 really prolific to me as like a junior high high 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:48.920 schooler that maybe now will be like, yeah, capitalism's bad, 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.000 you know what I now? 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:53.280 It feels like yeah, now it feels like a Barbie 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:54.359 speech about feminism. 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:56.680 I got it. Yeah, well, I don't know, I don't know. 0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:03.840 I hopefully maybe not, but I remember it rocked my world. Also, 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.040 like the ending was like Arlington Roade esque in terms 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.840 of like it taught me what suspense, shock, surprise. 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.480 You know what I mean? Mighty on the next Delta, 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.320 I'm gonna watch it. Maybe we'll do it together. Yeah, yeah, 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:17.480 I got to watch it. But he's also But it is. 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.959 Kind of like when I went to the Incubis concert. 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.560 Obviously they're so good. It was like so great I've 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.560 been I've had a resurgence. But the lyrics, like I 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.760 understand why I liked it in high school. You know, 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.159 the lyrics are like I don't want to talk to 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:31.800 you anymore. 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.040 Stuff like that, leave me alone. Live your life. 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:37.199 It might pass you by, like those are you know, 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.160 so I understand why at fifteen I was really connected. 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.239 But the other just reminds me the other day when 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.760 Ed was putting Rosie to bed, she goes, Dad, Viva 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:48.080 la vita, live your life? 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:52.480 Just right? What is she talking about? 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.680 But that that's so funny that like Crying Game like 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.320 was a huge movie when I was a kid because 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.640 it was so like, you know, just the whole I mean, 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.120 it was before anybody talked about trans identity and stuff 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:08.760 like that, and it was just like have you seen 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:09.360 the Crying Game? 0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:10.560 Have you seen the Crying Game? 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.840 Like it was just such a like buzzy movie when 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.640 I was a kid, And like I remember being like, 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.640 I'm not allowed it's NC seventeen or like I didn't 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:19.840 think I was allowed to see it or whatever. But 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.080 he is, you know, that is a popular movie for 0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.200 him as well. But he's in a ton of BBC stuff, 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.360 like Across the Pond and because that's where he lives. 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.720 So now Stabler goes to introduce Olivia and himself. But 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.520 this guy goes Elliott Stabler. He knows exactly who he is, 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:34.920 and he goes then he goes and they say, lightning 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.960 never strikes twice, and Stabler's like, you know, the memory 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:41.480 is not memorying for him. He's like, do we know 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:43.600 each other? And he goes, how could you forget the 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:45.280 last time we met? You put me in jail for 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:49.920 nineteen years? Cut to a signature Stabler squint, and then 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.040 it's the credits. So now we're at the precinct and 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.800 Stabler's talking about how in nineteen eighty nine he was 0:29:55.840 --> 0:30:00.560 just a uniform cop when Callum Donovan, who is Stephen character, 0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.120 and some pals were robbing a bank and they literally 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:05.920 ran into Stabler. So it was like a lucky break 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.600 for him, and you know, lives like you don't even 0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.640 look old enough to shave in this photo. But I 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.840 guess even though he was this like young new cop, 0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.480 he got promoted quickly because the higher ups were impressed 0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:18.440 by this bust that he didn't even really make. 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:19.960 He just kind of was in the right place at 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:20.480 the right time. 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.240 So then Craigan goes, so you made your bones on 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.000 his back, and Craigan should have a coffee table book. 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.200 Like the things that Craigan says, like his little one 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:33.520 liner sayings is they're so copy and like, so what 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:35.320 he made your bones on his back? 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.560 Like I don't even know what they mean half the time. 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.640 So they ask, oh, does he have any sex crimes 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:42.160 on his record? No, the robbery is this guy's only 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.160 crime and he only got out a year ago. Live 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.320 thinks it's possible that he came out with a different 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.760 mo like to almost twenty years in prison, like that 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:52.120 can change a person. And apparently though there's no evidence 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:53.920 of him in the apartment, but his prints are all 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:56.480 over the fire escape. The blood trail goes down to 0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:58.800 the street and then stops at the curb. He must 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:00.800 have put her in a car. Doesn't have a car 0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:02.560 registered to him, but he could have barred one or 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.800 stolen one. His apartment is totally clean, like no blood 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.840 or anything there. And Craig's like, why don't you get 0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.280 in there and dance with your old pal and get 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.760 him to talk and give up where he stashed the girl. 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:14.680 He says, that's a stabler. So now Stabler goes in 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.840 and is like, where's the girl? And the guy's like, 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:18.960 I don't know, and he's like, I've only seen her 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:20.680 in the stairwell and the only reason I'm on the 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:22.520 fire escape is to get to the roof. He likes 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.480 the outdoors where he can breathe, and Stabler's running this 0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.000 his like fantasy game on the guy like, nah. 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:29.880 You like looking at her, you like putting your hands 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.160 in your pants. You haven't had a woman in so long. 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.240 And then one day, you know whatever, he's doing his 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:38.040 little storytelling time, and then Donovan is not budging. He's like, 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.840 I didn't do any of this shit that Stabler is implying, 0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:43.840 like stop. And then meanwhile liv is talking to the 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.520 Parkstar and he's pissed because he pays thirty five hundred 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.080 dollars for that apartment a month, and Donovan assaults them 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.760 and he lives like did he assault you? And he's 0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:57.120 like with cigarette smoke, the apartment reeks and Lily is allergic. 0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:59.680 They called the landlord and the landlord wants him out too, 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:01.959 because it's a rent control place. And now we're back 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:03.800 to Donovan and Stabler and he's lived in that apartment 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:04.520 since he was ten. 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:05.560 It's a family apartment. 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.800 I was wondering how, you know, coming out of prison, 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:10.640 he lived in like a nice apartment building, but it's 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.800 his family's apartment since he was ten, and he goes, 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:14.840 and now some Johnny come lately wants to tell me 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.080 I can't light up at home. He goes, I go 0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.480 to the roof to be nice. But she's a nut. 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.520 And then we cut to she's a saint. Parkster says. 0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:27.040 She teaches underprivileged kids, or she reads books on tape 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.800 to the blind. She just started medical school and this 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.040 guy threatened to cut her throat if she didn't stop 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.880 running her mouth. And then Donovan's like, I didn't even 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:37.160 hold the knife in my hand, it was on my belt. 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.680 Words or words, you know whatever. He tells Stabler. When 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.920 he was in prison, he lost his mom. He says 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.160 he sat in a cage for twenty years, and he goes, 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.240 I go to work every day. I visit my po 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.360 I pissed in a cup. I'm not giving anyone an 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.200 excuse to put me back inside. I didn't touch the girl, 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.200 and he says, sure, she was a pain in the ass. 0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.760 And then right as he says that, who comes breezing 0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:00.440 into the room. 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.680 But one of my all time fucking favorites, Jessica Walter 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.520 as defense attorney Petro gil Martin, I've thought. 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.680 In you immediately the moment I god screen and I went, oh, 0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.880 this is gonna be a big moment for Kara. 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:16.440 I think, up until recently when I started this podcast, 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:21.320 my Instagram bio was a quote of hers from Arrested Development. 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:23.840 And I just love her so much. 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.160 And she passed away a couple of years ago, I think, 0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:29.200 and I love her and she's so fucking funny on 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.600 Arrested Development. She's like a masterclass in comedy anyway. She 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:34.600 gets to be a little bit funny here but not 0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:39.320 super super a comedic part. And she goes, so after 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.719 he goes, she's a pain in the ass. She breezes 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.960 it and goes, and so are you cal what happened? 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.280 She's there to represent him. She wants to talk to 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.200 her client alone because she says, he's like, how did 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.000 you know I was here? And she goes, Virginia called 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:52.880 me when you missed your date. So we'll get to 0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:55.640 that later. And she's like, Stabler, I want to talk 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.840 to my client alone. Go do some squats in the hallway, 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:02.600 and then Stabler Lee. We see one of my favorites 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:05.840 who's controversial. No, people don't like her, but I really 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.520 like her. It's Eada, which I believe is executive Ada 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:14.200 or something. Sonya Paxton played by Christine Latti. She's holding 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.799 a coffee cup that is probably three quarters vodka, because 0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.200 the next episode after this is Hammered, where she does 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:23.440 get busted for drinking on the job, and she's asking 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.920 questions immediately like the ballbuster she is, She's like, what 0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:29.200 about the boyfriend? He's clear. Lily was last seen at 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:30.839 five Parker was at work till ten. 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:33.279 And you know why I remember, isn't she the one 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.160 that like won an Emmy or Golden Globe? But she 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.359 was in the bathroom and then had to like run 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.839 on stage or something. Yes, I was in the toilet. Yeah, 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.840 that's how I remember her. Famous Lottie. Yeah, yeah, Christine Latti, 0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.200 I really love her. She's in a show called Evil 0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:48.920 that Jared and I watch that has a lot of 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:54.400 former SVU people on it, and she's really great. And 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.319 so she's like, guys, you have no evidence, you have 0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.520 nothing tying this guy, Like we're not you know, we 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.000 need more than this. Just then Jessica Walter like wraps 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.719 on the glass and goes charge him or come say goodbye. 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.040 So she goes next time you want to talk to 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.640 him you call me. And then Donovan, who has been 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.680 working with a pretty wild accent the whole time, goes, 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:17.520 if you want to find me, you can find me 0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.200 at wake like he says wyke like print porky pig, 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.840 and it really made me laugh. Suddenly Parker comes flying 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.600 out of nowhere the boyfriend and starts screaming at Donovan 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:27.440 like where's Lily. 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:29.600 He goes to throw a punch. Donovan gets on his 0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:32.680 knees and goes not resisting, not resisting, and the Parkster 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:34.920 still manages to kick him in the gut before the 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.360 cops get a handle on him. And then she says, 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:40.200 all right, I'll let this one slide, but if he 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.920 touches my client one more time, he's doing time. So 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.560 next we're at a construction site in Bayo and I 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:49.560 guess where Donovan wakes and they just are standing there 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:53.480 staring at him and watching him work from afar. And 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.920 then the boss comes up with Donovan's time card and 0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:56.640 is like, here you go. 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:57.960 He clocked out at five. 0:35:58.040 --> 0:35:59.880 And they're like, well that works with the timeline, and 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:01.719 there he goes, Well he didn't go home. 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.480 It was payday. We all went for drinks. 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.240 I left at seven, and Donovan was still there drinking, 0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:08.600 and the boss is like, you know, people can change. 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:09.759 I don't think he's good for this. 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:11.360 And Live is like, well, they don't always change for 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:13.480 the better, and the guy in the hard hat's like, 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.440 all right, lady and just walks away. And then Stabler 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.840 wants Munch and Finn to stay on Donovan. He's like, 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:20.360 I don't want to be out here in the hot sun, 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.440 and he asks Olivia if he wants to go get 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:24.600 a cold one. I didn't realize Stabler was allowed to 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.479 like Boss, Munch and Finn around, but I guess he does, 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.279 because they go to get a beer and Munch and 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.239 Finn now have to stand. They keep talking about how 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.239 hot it is in New York at this time. So 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.920 at the bar, they're talking to the bartender about Donovan 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:38.000 and she's like, he didn't do it. 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:39.160 He was here till eight thirty. 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.760 And then Stabler clocks at the bartender seems really interested 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.560 in cal Donovan and she's like, he's like, let's talk, 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.840 and so she comes over. And this character's name is 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:52.320 Betty Jean, and she's played by an actress named Bernadette Quigley. 0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:54.160 And I just like that name that sounds like a 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.560 cartoon character to me. And she's been in two other svus, 0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.279 one Scourge and one in the five one hundredth episode, 0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:03.360 which I guess as few just called the five hundred 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.239 episode because it had the right amount of letters in it. 0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.440 Betty Jean or BJ as I will call her, has 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:10.719 known cal her entire life. It broke her heart when 0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:13.160 he went to prison. Then one day he walks into 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.520 her bar and it's like no time has passed. She 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:17.880 tells them that they've been kind of trying to rekindle things, 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:20.640 but that night he kept begging her to go upstairs, 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:22.680 but he was hammered and he couldn't get it up or, 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.839 as she says, he couldn't cut the mustard, and he 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.319 called her a whore, broke a lamp, and stormed off. 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.560 So now they think this all works Like he leaves 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.600 around a thirty, he's home, he gets home, he's drunk, 0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.760 he's pissed off, he sees Lily. It's a perfect storm 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.839 to attack her. And then they get, you know, the 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:43.080 phone call. At this moment in time, they always get 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.120 a phone call that's like we're on our way. A 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.040 body was just found in the water off the coast 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.279 of Staten Island, and the description matches Lily. When they 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.960 get there, done done, there's no body because the girl 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:57.440 is alive. It's another miracle on the Hudson. The EMS 0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.160 guy cracks, which is a reference to Selly Sullimber or 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.200 landing a plane on the Hudson, which did happen earlier 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.200 the year that this episode came out. So they just 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.480 see Lily clinging to life in the ambulance with like 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.640 an oxygen mask, and that's the end of act one. 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:13.879 At the top of act two, she's being rushed into 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:16.960 the hospital having just been brought back from cardiac arrest. 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.359 She's wrapped in a metallic blanket. She's hypothermic. 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:23.000 According to blonde surfer doctor who we have commented on 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:24.799 many times, he does not look like he belongs in 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:28.680 New York City emergency room. And he's like, they go, 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.279 is she gonna make it? And he goes, she's not 0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:33.759 dead until she's warm and dead. What I guess that's 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:35.719 like he needed to warm her up quickly, but it 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:39.359 seemed like a weird comment. The parkstre comes busting in, 0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:40.959 Where's Lily, How's she doing? 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:42.680 And they're like, she's. 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:44.920 Alive, but whatever hanging on, and he goes, I have 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:47.400 to tweet this to her followers need to know, and 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:50.279 it's like, oh no, what is this man's issue? He 0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.200 started a Twitter account called Where's Lily and he already 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.440 has over to your tenty three hundred friends. Nobody on 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.560 Twitter is your friend. And also twenty three hundreds is 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.520 not that many. If he thinks he's like some kind 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:01.879 of viral Twitter account in. 0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:04.240 A day, in a couple of days, that's a lot 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.279 without a funny little tweet, that's a lot. Yeah, you're 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:12.080 right local, and it's local. So now we've got online. 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.839 Lookie Lou's stabler aka Clint Eastwood says he's like such 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:16.400 a baby. 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.879 I like, LOOKI Lou is that merch? Luky Lou is fun. 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:23.319 That's not the first time it's been mentioned in an episode. Yeah, 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.759 maybe just talking about look Lous all the time. Maybe 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:27.600 I want a friendship bracelet. That's what I want, a 0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:30.479 friendship bracelet with the beads. I want a Lucky Lou, 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.440 A looky Lou, Yeah, looky Lou, Looky Lou. 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:33.879 Yeah. 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.440 Because it's like people that are peeping peeping. 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.399 Around crime scenes. So this guy the doc. Okay. 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.279 So now the doctor comes out, it's been ten full 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.120 seconds since he went in, and he's like, okay, we've 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.480 got her temperature backup, Like it's a total insane thing 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.000 that the human body temperature could like raise that quickly. 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.560 And she's conscious but showing signs of post traumatic retrograde amnesia. 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.960 And Parker's like, what does that mean, It's like memory loss, dumbass. 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.279 So the active's bargin with parkstore in tow and he 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:04.200 goes to her bedside, and this is the first time 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.200 we've actually really seen her. And I recognize this woman 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.040 is Deborah Ann Wall and I know her as the 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:12.919 baby vampire Jessica on True Blood. That is like her 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.600 claim to fame for me. But I looked up other 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.160 stuff she's done. I think she's done some like you know, CW. 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:21.600 Marvel stuff, but I don't. I'm not sure. She has 0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:23.880 no idea how she got into the Hudson River. She 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.680 remembers coming home from school. It was seven o'clock, she 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:30.120 took a shower. She heard someone in the apartment, a man. 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.919 She thinks it was the creep from downstairs, but she's 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.800 not sure it's all a blur, there was glass breaking, 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.279 then her head hurt, she passed out. She came to 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.279 in a car, and then she was in a dark 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.640 room and it was freezing cold. The door was locked 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.440 and someone put a bag over her head and she 0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.960 couldn't breathe. And now she's getting upset, and the doctor's like, everybody, 0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:49.359 get out of here. And so Craigan's like, all right, 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.400 we got nothing, like we got her with amnesia, saying 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:53.919 maybe it's the downstairs guy. 0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:56.000 They go over the timeline and. 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.320 They figure out, oh, well, maybe he hid her somewhere 0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.200 like and then after we caught on to him, he 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.520 went back there and dumped her body. But Munch and 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:05.239 Finn had been on him all day, so like when 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:07.560 would he have done that? And they're like, well, he 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.720 works at the docks, a good place to dump a body, 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:11.800 and it's like in broad daylight with all his coworkers. 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:13.920 I'm confused to how they think that's like an easy 0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:15.720 like place to dump a body. 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.880 It says when the detectives are the worst, when they 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.560 do not do detectiving, when they have their theory and 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:24.920 they're just like trying to find everything for the theory 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.440 is when they're the worst, Yeah, when they're the most 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:30.760 life yeah, or when the craigin makes fun of an addict, 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:31.960 like that's always. 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.120 Confusing to when they try to just, yeah, force everything 0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:36.920 into a narrative that they've come up in their heads, 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.600 so that what they get credit for being the smartest detective. 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:40.000 I don't know. 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:42.600 But she also said she was freezing and it's been 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:44.640 boiling in New York City, so maybe she was in 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.640 some kind of refrigerated storage unit at the docks. Yeah, 0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:49.799 why wouldn't there be a refrigerated storage unit down at 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:50.680 this construction site? 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:51.400 That makes sense. 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:53.560 So now they're down there and there is one, and 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:54.880 CSU is checking the fridge. 0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:57.680 There's no sign of Lily, no hairs, no fibers or blood. 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:02.840 Stable shards showing her stables. Stabler starts showing her pictures 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.560 do all the workers, and Donovan's like, why don't you 0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:08.160 just cuff me? And Finn and Munth show up and 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.560 tells Stabler they've been following Parker's tweet fest and a 0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:13.560 lot of freaks are saying they saw her like with 0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:16.560 aliens and then she was abducted and whatever. But then 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:19.040 there's one tweet from a person named Tracy who goes, 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.400 I saw her around midnight outside my store, arguing with 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.920 a dude, and I wish I had done something. And 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.800 then Donovan was in custody at midnight, so maybe Tracy 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.120 got the time wrong. So cut to a combo with 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.520 Tracy at copy Quick where she works, which is like 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.399 a Kinkos situation, and she is a woman who knows 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:36.800 her shit. 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.759 She is like a I love this character. 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:44.040 Like just like an amazing huge gold plate, necklace, pink lipstick, 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.080 like tan, just a wild New York character. 0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:48.560 And she's like, I did not get the time wrong. 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:52.239 I know when my shift ends, and I saw her 0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:54.160 and she was going at it, arguing with some guy 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:56.920 and it was am midnight. So then they show her 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:58.920 a picture of Donovan and she's like, noah, it was 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.960 this Asian guy kind of like ugly, cute and much 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:05.560 much younger. Did I just solve the crime? And she like, 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:07.759 I'm obsessed. I want her to have her own crime 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.760 solving show, and she goes, I even have the receipt, 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:12.839 and Stabler goes, you never said she came in here, 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.480 and she goes, I didn't. I guess I was caught 0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.880 up with the fight and her being a murder victim, 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:20.480 and Stabler's like, she's not dead, and it's like this 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:24.279 girl is pure comedy. So she was like, see, look, 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:26.520 she came in at eleven forty three and she used 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.960 terminal five for forty six minutes and her boss has 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.840 them copy IDs in case terrorists try to use their computers. 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.360 Now Stabler looks so confused, because. 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.319 Oh my god, could it be you were wrong that 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.440 this isn't that you like, you know, you had the 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:43.120 wrong guy. In the hospital, Lily is asleep with a 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.560 big bandage on her head, not all the way around, 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:49.120 but just a big, you know, big square, and Benson 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.000 and Stabler come barging in and ask her who's Billy Chang? 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:54.080 And she goes, just some guy I know. 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.920 He's also in medical school and has a rap sheet 0:43:56.920 --> 0:44:00.680 for selling crystal meth. So explain these emails, Billy? Can 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:01.279 you stop by? 0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:01.720 Billy? 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.000 Where are you? You know how everyone's always emailing their 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.040 drug dealer. Obviously, Stabler has printed up the emails and 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:09.960 is showing them. She denies it's even her email address, 0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:11.960 and he's like, cut the shit, CSU told us that 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.080 you created this email address on your desktop. Stop and 0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:17.879 you're not a victim. You weren't abducted, you weren't thrown 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.840 in the river. You were online at copy Quick scoring drugs. 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:22.880 And she's like, you don't even understand, and they're like, 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.200 so tell us, make us understand. She goes, I had 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.560 a bad day at med school. They gave me a 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.680 gross old lady cadaver, and I was so creeped out. 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:32.960 It's like, oh my god, you're not cut out to 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:34.800 be a doctor, Like you can't. 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:36.600 She had to like come, She's like, I came home. 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:38.959 I had to shower to get the smell of death 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:41.880 off of me, of this disgusting, gross old lady. And 0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:44.400 then she got pissed that Parker didn't show up because 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:46.279 it is ten o'clock when he's trying to come in 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:49.080 for their date or after ten, So she emailed Billy 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.400 to score. He said he didn't have anything, so she 0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:54.880 trashed her apartment looking for her own stash. I guess 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:58.360 went into an absolute mania, banged her head on the mirror. 0:44:58.360 --> 0:44:59.560 There was blood everywhere. 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.200 She freaked out when she looked at how bad the 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.960 scene looked, with like blood and broken shit and you 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:09.080 know whatever. So she heard Parker come home. He doesn't 0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.799 know about her habit. She heard Parker coming home, took 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:15.040 off down the fire escape and went to go find Billy. Meanwhile, 0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:18.000 she saw what Parker had been posting online with his 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.799 little Twitter account about her abduction and what was she 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.360 going to do? She couldn't like say, hey, I flipped 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.040 out because I couldn't get drugs, so she jumped into 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:27.480 the river. But she's like, but I didn't think it 0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:29.799 would take you guys so long to find me. And 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:32.279 they're like, are you fucking And she's like, look, I 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:36.799 almost died, and Stabler gets set off, like he is activated. 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:37.240 Stabler. 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:39.239 He's like, you want pity from us? You were willing 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.400 to send an innocent man to prison to cover your ass. 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:43.920 And then Olivia cuffs her to the bed and Stabler 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:45.400 takes off and she's like, where are you going? And 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:48.680 he's like to apologize, So he's headed over to Donovan. 0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:51.799 Now we're at Donovan's place and Stabler finds him on 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:56.560 the rooftop and he goes to apologize, and Donovan like 0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.200 stands up and walks towards him and without saying a word, 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:03.440 kind of which places with him and pushes Stabler off 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:07.200 of the roof of this big building. We panned down 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:10.600 below to see Stabler's lifeless body. It has landed on 0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:13.520 a shorter building's roof and not the street below, thankfully, 0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.640 but it's not a great situation. It definitely was a 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:20.160 many footfall. And if you have been to our live shows, 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:23.640 we used to show a compilation of Stabler getting his 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:25.920 ass kicked and this was in it. And it is 0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:28.719 quite a wild moment because you think he could be dead. 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:31.959 Well, yeah, I'm sure when people were watching it live 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:35.520 on NBC, they were shocked right before the commercial, you 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.640 know what I mean. Yeah, splayed out on the on whatever, 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:40.000 the ground roof. 0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.680 Yeah, they're not on a roof, yeah, the other roof, 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:47.240 the adjacent roof. So now like scary, yeah, so now, 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.239 I mean it's like I was scared in Wildlife when 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.080 he got shot. I was like, oh my god, he's 0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:52.560 gonna die, even though it's like when you think about 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:54.440 it's like they're not killing Elliott Stabler, you know. 0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:56.680 Yeah, I guess this is before a Game of Thrones. 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.040 I'm trying to think if Anaan did shocking things in 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:04.120 television like this before Game of Thrones. Uh, yeah, there 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:08.720 were definitely like crazy deaths in television. Oh, who shot Jr? 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:11.520 That was like a big and who shot mister Burns? 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:13.960 Those were a big Yeah. 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:16.000 I feel like a lot of times that's because they're 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:18.640 writing a character off because of like the bad behavior, 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.560 or they got offered something else or whatever. And I 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.839 guess because I think in season twelve when he does leave, 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.040 everybody was kind of shocked at the end of season twelve, 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:28.080 So in season eleven, I don't know if anybody had 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:31.920 an inkling about that, But anyway, Stabler's eyes are open 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.840 and the top of AC three he's sitting on his back, 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.320 still on the roof, and we hear his walkie talkie 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:40.360 like buzzing with like ten forty three rem whatever. 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:42.480 He whispers into. 0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:44.560 It, he can manages to reach for it, whispers into 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:47.680 it ten thirteen officer down. So now we cut to 0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.839 the hospital. We got live Craigan and Sonia surrounding his 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:53.160 hospital bed. He's in a neck brace with like an 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.200 ice pack on his shoulder, like the kind of ice 0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:57.799 back I just have in my freezer, And I don't know, 0:47:57.840 --> 0:47:59.600 it's like feels like your whole body would be pretty 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:01.600 fucked on what one little ice pack on the shoulders 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:04.799 doing but Sonia's cracking a joke about him taking a 0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:07.520 nap on the job and they don't know where Donovan is, 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:08.520 but they're gonna get him, and. 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:09.839 Stabler tries to come up. Oh. 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:12.520 Stable tries to get up with fully like a possible 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:14.319 spinal injury, Like a moron that he is. 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:15.320 He's like, I'm fine. 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:17.960 It's like, okay, truly, you fell from like twenty feet 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.799 at least, and Craigan makes him sit his ass back down, 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:24.040 and Sonya's like, okay, gotta go LMK when you find Donovan, 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:27.120 and when you do, don't touch a hair on his head. 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:29.360 I think they're they're scared of Jessica Walter. 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:33.439 At this point, Finn enters and said they've got eyes 0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:36.200 on his job and his girlfriend's bar and there's no 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:38.719 sign of him so far. They dumped his phone and 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:42.480 his most frequent call is to Veronique Saint John, and 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:46.720 Craigan says that sounds like a porn star. Thanks Craigan, 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:50.719 and then Stable remembers no remember when the woman when 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.040 the attorney showed up, it was because someone named Veronique 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:57.319 had called her to say that he didn't show up. 0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:57.879 For their date. 0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:01.759 So now we get to this Brownstone facility or this 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:05.120 like you know, big door into Manhattan and Veronique Saint 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:08.200 John is standing there answering questions in her bathrobe in 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:10.960 the doorway, and she saw Donovan the night before, but 0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:12.480 she didn't know the cops were looking for him, and 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.480 she doesn't ask her clients questions like that. Finn asks 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:17.520 if she's a hooker, and she takes huge offense. 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:18.839 She's like, the hell I am. 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.959 This is a private group home and mister Donovan's mother 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.120 is a resident here, so they're like, well, he told 0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:28.319 Stabler that he lost his mother, and Arone clarifies, She's like, 0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:31.000 well he did lose her to Alzheimer's. Like she's here, 0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:34.840 but she thinks he's her husband, Tommy, who died in 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:39.320 World War two and really has no concept of reality 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:41.759 and he visits her every night. So they go to 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.319 the room of the mother and Donovan is in there 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.400 with his mom and he goes, I'll go quietly, just 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.640 don't wake her up, and Finn's like, uh, yeah, you 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:50.319 threw my friend off a roof, so I'm not going 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.280 to be quiet for your mom and starts like grabbing 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.200 him then the mom wakes up and he goes along 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.520 with the charade that he's his dad and goes, I 0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:01.160 gotta go, I'm shipping out, and she's like, one more 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.839 kiss for your best girl, and he does kiss her 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.120 on the cheek. It's a really weird scene because it's 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:08.279 like she's looking at her son like she's in love 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.840 with him, and in a romantic way, not in a 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.640 mother son way. And they cuff Donovan and they take 0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:17.120 him out. So when they get outside, he immediately tries 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.360 to run. He's going for suicide by cop, Like he's like, 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:21.560 shoot me, what are you waiting for? I killed your partner? 0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:24.759 And Olivia is like, he's not dead. Lily lied and 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.120 Elliott was coming to apologize to you. If you had 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:30.880 waited another second, you'd be all good. And he looks, 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:34.919 you know, devastated because the truth is sinking in. Here's 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:37.000 the other weird thing. Isn't it weird that Lily made 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.000 up the whole thing about being in a freezing cold 0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:41.160 place with a bag against on her head and there 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:45.320 happens to be a refrigerated area at Donovan's workplace. Seems 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:48.560 like a lot of coincidences because she really did truly 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:51.880 make up the whole thing. At the precinct, Donovan is 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:56.200 in interrogation. Sonya shows up and says, no one. 0:50:56.080 --> 0:51:01.279 Talks to this guy will sue her. Yeah, yeah, true. 0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:03.720 As I wonder if the couple's going to stay together. 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.239 We'll see if the Twitter account loses his followers, I 0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:09.000 think Parker's going to bounce. So At the precinct, Donovan 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:11.359 is an interrogation. Sonya shows up and goes, no one 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.719 talks to him, including you. To Stabler and he's like, bitch, 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:16.239 I've been thrown off a roof and I'm not in 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:17.719 the mood to be told what to do. So he 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:20.480 heads right in there and she goes Stabler and he 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:22.440 shuts the door right in her face. And honestly, the 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:24.520 timing is so perfect. I'd love to talk to someone 0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:26.440 to tell me, like how many times they had to 0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:29.480 do that. Because he's like, whatever, goes in, she goes 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:31.239 Stabler smack right away the door. 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:32.240 It's really funny. 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.040 He tells Donovan get up, but Donovan won't get up. 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:37.000 He's just sitting there quiet, and so he lifts him 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:39.279 up by like the scruff of his neck and his 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.720 shirts or whatever, and that's when Craigan and Sonya bust 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:44.480 in to stop him and they take Donovan out, and 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:47.279 he tells Sonya, I don't work for you, and she's like, well, 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.120 I'm not gonna watch you give this guy the full 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.600 stabler And he's like, I was just trying to take 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:54.399 him essentral booking and stay. Sonya's like, it's not your case. 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:57.759 You're the victim, and she gets all sarcastic, like, oh, 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.200 just the word victim of fend big strung La. It's 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:02.360 stable with the tough guy. He goes, you don't know me. 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.719 She goes, I read your file. He goes, You've had 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:06.760 a heart on for me since the day you walked 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:10.440 into this squad. She laughs, and she's like, I have 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:12.360 problems with anyone who doesn't play by the rules. 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.480 And he's like, your rules. You act like the law 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:16.239 is scripture, but you don't give a damn about the law. 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:17.200 You just want control. 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:18.120 I know you. 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:19.880 I see perps like you every day who walk in 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:22.080 here and got to have control or the world far 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:24.439 falls apart and inside their skill. 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:27.960 You slipped in such sharp and fart in this episode. Already, Yeah, 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.240 what did I say? Falls at fart? 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.720 He goes the purpse like you have to have control 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.360 or the world falls apart, and inside they're scared, weak 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.600 and damage. And she's like, you could tell while he's 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:42.719 saying these words to her, it's like hitting, Like her 0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:45.880 face is like she's not like tough girl Sonya anymore. 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:49.200 And then she slaps Elliott across the face and he 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.440 like shakes it for a second, a millisecond, and then 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:55.200 grins at her, and she looks like a frightened little child, 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.600 like she's like, I just smacked somebody. 0:52:57.960 --> 0:52:58.480 Oh God. 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.520 But also the guy has my number, so he walks out. 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.680 She looks frightened. She's like, oh no, I might lose 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:09.440 my job now. At arraignment, Donovan pleads not guilty. Sonya 0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.960 asks for remand Donovan thought he was about to be 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:13.920 arrested for a crime he did not commit. He's not 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:16.879 responsible for the crime that he did commit, and they're 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:20.279 going for a psychiatric defense, and Sonya says he has 0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:22.400 no history of mental illness in his prison records, and 0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:25.320 Jessica Walter's like, yeah, prisons aren't really great at documenting 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:28.160 stuff like that. Andy spent the majority of his sentence 0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:31.800 in solitary confinement, he was isolated with no human contact 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:34.520 and it's made him psychotic. And they were like, he's 0:53:34.560 --> 0:53:36.279 been out for a year and had no issues, and 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:40.520 she says, Jessica Walter goes, he regressed under the thought 0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:45.480 of reincarceration. So Petrowski is there our dearly departed Joanna Merlin, 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:48.440 who has recently passed away and who is a legend 0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:51.560 in her own time in the SVU universe. She agrees 0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:53.239 it sounds like there's issues here that need to be 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:55.320 laid out for the jury, but she also agrees to 0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:58.399 the remand and he begs, he's like, please don't put 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.200 me back, and his lawyer if the judge can order 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:03.319 that he'll be placed in gen Pop. But she's like, 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:05.640 that's really not my job or my jurisdiction, Like I 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:09.279 can't really control the Department of Corrections. And he rants 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:12.319 about how yeah pass the buck all you you you 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.480 you all throw people in prison and then walk away. 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.279 You turn a blind eye to torture, and Sonya's like, oh, 0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:19.319 were you beaten? Were you waterboarded? And he was like, 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:21.640 it's just as bad what they did to him. And 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:25.440 then and then whatever they care, they take him out 0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:30.040 and then Stabler and Sonya kind of have a brief 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:32.439 look and then he saunters out of court like real 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.720 Lexa daisical. He's halfway down the court steps when Sonya 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:37.320 runs after him, and we think there's going to be 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.640 a big apology, and she goes, Stabler, I've got to 0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:42.000 talk to you. And then when he stops and talk 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:44.640 to her, she goes, I mean, this Donovan defense is bullshit, 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:46.440 and he's like, that's what you had to tell me. 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:48.440 She's like, I mean, you and I can see through it, 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:50.560 but the jury might buy it on the stand. I 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.120 want you to really stare down Donovan, make him look 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.359 you in the eye when he excuses pushing you off 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:57.480 of a roof. And then he goes, I got to 0:54:57.520 --> 0:54:59.000 hand it to you, Sonya. You really know how to 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:03.080 get under people's skin. And she goes, oh, right, the 0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:05.520 little thing that happened yesterday with the slap, can we 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.200 just call it a truce? And she puts out her 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:09.600 hand and he does not shake her hand, but he 0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:12.160 like smot gives her like a half smile and goes truce. 0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:16.040 So now top of act four, back at the precinct, 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.200 we've got munch on a rant but this time I 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.799 agree with his rant. He's talking about how humans are 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:24.920 social creatures and prolonged isolation warps our humanity. The Brits 0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:28.680 actually studied it and said that a solitary confinement causes psychosis, 0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:31.400 and they stopped using it, and when they did, inmate 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:34.960 violence actually goes down. Finn's not really buying the argument 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:38.000 that solitary equals torture, even though he's like, yeah, if 0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.360 you treat criminals like actual people, it is better. But 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:43.840 I don't know if solitary is torture. And then he's like, 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:47.040 why would you not think that? They use it in Iran, 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:49.279 They use it in Abu Gray Prisoners of War, like 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.799 all kinds of places use solitary confinement as one of 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:55.560 their methods of torture. And then Munch goes the mind 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:58.280 can survive prison, but we aren't wired to be alone, 0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:00.880 and then live pipes in and goes, well, when I 0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:03.320 was in prison, the worst part was never being alone, 0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:05.920 Like I had no privacy, no quiet, even on the toilet. 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:07.600 I would have killed to do a stint in the hole. 0:56:07.640 --> 0:56:10.200 And it's like, Olivia, you're on the wrong side of this. 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:13.760 Here Munch points out that people prefer free range chickens 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:16.000 to chickens that have been kept in cages, and he goes, 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.880 we treat poultry better than humans, and Stabler's like, he 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:21.719 threw me off a roof, and live thinks that this 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:26.120 whole insanity solitary confinement thing is a smoke screen. So 0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:29.200 now at trial, Jessica Walter asked Donovan why he got 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.600 put in solitary confinement, and he explains his story because 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:33.040 at first I was like, why did you Why were 0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:35.560 you in solitary for the majority of nineteen years when 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:37.120 all you did was rob a bank? 0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:40.320 That's like a nonviolent offense, Like what you know, what happened? 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:44.439 So apparently when he got there, the Aryan Brotherhood tried 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.880 to recruit him. He said, no fucking way, and then 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:48.240 they tried to jump him in the shower. 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.640 He shived them. One guy never walked again. 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:52.799 So we got put in solitary in nineteen ninety three 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.959 and then he it wasn't until two thousand and seven 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:59.880 that he was really out of solitary. And there She's like, 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:05.960 fucking imagine so fucking insane, like the fact that he's 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:10.520 not just like shaking and talking to himself constantly is 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:14.880 He's a miracle of science to me, and his lawyer 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:17.280 is like, wow, fourteen years in solitary for a fight, 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:19.520 and he's like, well, whenever the guards would come to 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:21.560 get me, I was paranoid they were coming to kill me, 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:23.160 so I would fight back, and then they would just 0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.800 tack on more time and solitary. So it just kept 0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:27.760 happening and happening, and then in the end they just 0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.440 left me there. He said, it was like death, except 0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:34.800 you're still breathing. All you hear is your breath, days, months, years. 0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:37.760 At first, you sleep twelve to fourteen hours at a time, 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.880 then you can't sleep anymore. He'd watch his shadow till 0:57:40.880 --> 0:57:43.439 it came alive and started talking to him. He knew 0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:45.320 the voices were in his head, but he couldn't shut 0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:47.560 them out. And now there's all these they're playing these 0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:50.200 whispering sound effects on the show and it's really creepy, 0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:55.320 like it's really scary, and he's like, the voices are 0:57:55.320 --> 0:57:57.320 telling me, you know, pluck your eyes out, chew off 0:57:57.320 --> 0:57:59.640 your hands, all this stuff, and he still hears the voices. 0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:03.520 When he alone, he copes, he says, by working walking 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:04.640 for hours on end. 0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:05.480 He's afraid to sleep. 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:07.919 He sits on the roof all night because he wants 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:09.560 to just hear the sounds of the city, anything that 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:12.919 will block out the voices. So when Stabler came onto 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.000 the roof, he heard the voice again, and the voice 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:17.320 was laughing at him and pulling him back into the 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:21.280 hole of solitary confinement. And he tells Stabler, you'll never 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:23.760 know what it's like to be truly alone, endless days 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:26.000 without seeing a face or hearing a voice. You can't 0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:28.480 imagine it unless you wind up there yourself. And then 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:32.000 we get more squinty Stabler, Like, you know, Sabler squints 0:58:32.040 --> 0:58:35.880 when he's something's making him think. So now Stabler is 0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:39.120 at sink sing and he's got a corrections officer who's 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:42.080 his pal checking out Donovan Cell, taking him to see 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:45.240 Donovan Cell. And he's like, you owe me, and the 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:47.280 guy's like, okay, well this is you know, this is 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:50.919 the favor consider our debt paid. So Stabler steps into 0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:53.360 the cell and the guy goes, don't do anything stupid, 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:55.880 and he shuts the door. And the guy who's playing 0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:59.360 this corrections officer is named Glenn Fleschler, and he's been 0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:02.240 in the episode Angels. He was in the episode Intent 0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:05.880 that we covered. He was the shitty lawyer that I 0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:09.200 think called the girl when she was trying to the 0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:10.400 social media influencer. 0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:14.919 And then he's also in two recent episodes as well. 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:22.080 He came onto the scene for me True Detective. Oh wow, 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:26.200 is he the guy? Yeah? Yeah, oh wow? Yeah yeah. 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:31.760 And he's also he is the Hasidic jew that Charlotte 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:35.000 has sex with in Sex and the City in the 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:36.720 episode Secret Sex. 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:40.560 Oh my gosh, Well this guy is prolific. 0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:43.080 Yeah, he's been working. No, he has so many credit. 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.280 But True Detective, I feel, is like for me, what 0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:46.200 put him on the map? 0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:49.560 Yes, I knew I recognized him when I saw him 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:52.200 and then I looked up his sv like past only 0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:55.320 and but I do remember him as that shitty lawyer. 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:56.920 But yes, True Detective for sure. 0:59:57.200 --> 1:00:00.480 That season had me by the neck, Like I was 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:01.560 obsessed with that show. 1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:05.240 Oh my god, Season one of True Detective change, Like 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:08.080 it was a huge moment, so crazy. 1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:10.240 I think it was one of the first like. 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.880 Mini series in that way that was like you know, 1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:16.840 scene as like a cinematic. 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:18.280 Yeah, like a movie. 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:21.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, people really liked it. But he's in Billions. 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:24.920 Oh okay, He's like, I don't either. He's in thirty 1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:27.240 six episodes. Oh okay, so he's one of the major 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:29.680 Billions people. He was in the thing about Pam. 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:34.040 Oh my gosh, I wonder who he plays. I never 1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:36.440 saw that. I just listened to the Dateline podcast of it. 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:38.960 I didn't either, but I want to wait. I want 1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:41.240 to listen. I want to know the thing about Pam. 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:43.880 The podcast is so funny because, first of all, it's 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:45.840 only six episodes. It's so quick to listen to. But 1:00:45.960 --> 1:00:49.560 Keith Morrison listening to his voice is amazing, Like to 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:51.439 listen to him on a podcast He's like and then 1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:55.919 Pam like, it's so good. Okay, I'm obsessed. I don't listen. 1:00:55.960 --> 1:00:57.560 I haven't listened to anything else, to be honest, on 1:00:57.600 --> 1:00:58.800 the Dateline podcast since. 1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:02.280 But I liked the Pam one a lot. It's unhinged. 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:06.280 So anyway, we have come to believe that now Stabler 1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:09.200 is putting himself in solitary confinement for some amount of 1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:12.760 time to understand what it's like, and this man will truly. 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:14.800 Do anything to get away from his wife and kids. 1:01:15.200 --> 1:01:18.880 We see him doing sit ups, push ups, then he's 1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:21.680 sleeping getting food, but whenever they bring him the food, 1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:22.960 he's like, what time is it? And they won't tell 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:25.680 him the time, So that's part of it. Like it 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:28.520 is truly wild, how Like I know this is such 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:31.880 a small example comparatively, but like the subway in New York, 1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:34.400 now that they have the counters that tell you how 1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:37.360 long you have to wait, it makes it like so 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:39.880 much more bearable. Like even if the thing says fifteen 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:41.840 minutes till your next train twenty minutes you're next train 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:44.240 when you don't know and you're just standing there and 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:46.360 you have no idea how much time something is taking. 1:01:46.880 --> 1:01:49.400 It truly is like nothing moves more slowly than that. 1:01:49.600 --> 1:01:52.000 And so I think that's what they're trying to illustrate here, 1:01:52.120 --> 1:01:53.880 Like if someone would just tell him, oh, it's twelve 1:01:53.880 --> 1:01:56.640 o'clock or whatever, he could figure out, you know, where 1:01:56.640 --> 1:01:59.280 he is in time. But to just be suspended in 1:01:59.280 --> 1:02:02.760 time like that is then there's more working out. This 1:02:02.800 --> 1:02:06.880 is truly my nightmare, Like I I like, I'm so 1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:07.760 solitary combinement. 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:09.360 This is my nightmare and being buried alive. 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:12.640 Stabler also starts to hear the little whispers they start 1:02:12.640 --> 1:02:14.960 putting a little whisper sound effect on. He wakes up, 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:17.480 he thinks he hears shit. There's all these like jolt 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:20.320 him getting jolted awake, more sit ups, but now he's 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:23.800 screaming while he does his situps. He's going crazy and 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:26.640 I yeah, he's like going crazy. And then there's like 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:29.200 a cockroach crawling on his food tray. He starts playing 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:31.440 with the cockroachs with like a big smile on his face, 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:34.000 like it's really gross, and he's really starting to break down, 1:02:34.040 --> 1:02:36.720 like they just keep showing him jolting awake, talking to himself. 1:02:37.040 --> 1:02:40.520 The door opens and his friend is there, the true 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:42.760 detective guy, and he goes, you, son of a bitch, 1:02:42.800 --> 1:02:44.919 I said three days, not a week. And the guy goes, 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:48.160 it was three days. It took three days for Stabler 1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:52.520 to absolutely unravel and adopt a pet cockroach. So imagine 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:56.920 these people that are in there for weeks, months, years, 1:02:57.200 --> 1:02:59.040 Like it's so inhumane. 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:00.560 In my opinion, it is. 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:03.560 I do wonder if it's a little excessive that it 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:05.240 was only three days. 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:09.040 Would you really have a pet crockerroach in three days? 1:03:09.480 --> 1:03:11.400 I don't know, I don't know what the studies are 1:03:11.440 --> 1:03:13.920 I'm sure they've done studies on people in isolation for 1:03:13.960 --> 1:03:16.480 three days and what happens, you know, Like, I'm sure 1:03:16.520 --> 1:03:18.720 the show is dramatizing it, but like like. 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:23.640 He was in the military, right, yeah, you're you should be. 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:24.160 I don't know. 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:28.720 I just a full pet cockerroach in three days is wild? 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:32.320 But you know what, do I know? Maybe we should 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:33.960 do that. Maybe this will be a fun thing for 1:03:34.680 --> 1:03:36.280 Oh my god, Like, I don't think I would last 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:37.960 two hours. I really don't. I think I would go 1:03:38.000 --> 1:03:40.360 crazy in two hours. Like this isn't that unbelievable for me? 1:03:40.400 --> 1:03:43.040 Because I really, you know, I like don't really do 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:45.760 alone time, Like I thrive off being around other people. 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:48.600 So to be by myself for like three full fucking 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:52.720 days with just concrete walls around me, I don't know. 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:55.600 I can't say I would have survived not having a TV. 1:03:55.760 --> 1:03:56.360 That's hard. 1:03:56.840 --> 1:03:57.200 Yeah. 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:02.200 So now Stabler is walking into Sonya's office, who's just 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:04.760 smoking a cigarette in her office in two thousand and nine, 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:06.720 I guess that's like right at the cusp of when 1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:08.560 they started saying that you're not allowed. 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.600 To do this anymore. And she's like, where the hell 1:04:10.640 --> 1:04:11.080 have you been? 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:13.360 And he's like the hole and then he goes, I 1:04:13.400 --> 1:04:15.200 want to drop the charges, and she goes, don't be 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:17.840 a woof stabler. She's like, well, glad you had a 1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:20.240 fun little trip and found yourself or whatever, but I'm 1:04:20.280 --> 1:04:23.200 here to put wannabe cop killers away. And if Donovan walks, 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:25.520 it's open season on cops for anyone who's served a 1:04:25.560 --> 1:04:27.760 day in solitary. They're all going to say, oh, it 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:30.240 made us crazy. And he's like, well, okay, don't make 1:04:30.240 --> 1:04:31.840 an example out of him, but cut him a deal. 1:04:32.120 --> 1:04:33.880 She goes, he'd be out in five and then what 1:04:34.000 --> 1:04:36.240 he runs down A cop who pulls him over. Can't 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:39.760 take the chance. He threatens to report her for assault. 1:04:39.920 --> 1:04:42.000 He pulls out the only card he's got on her 1:04:42.200 --> 1:04:44.720 and he goes, the DA will suspend you. She doesn't 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:48.080 even flinch. She goes go ahead, and then he doesn't 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:50.800 do anything, and she goes thoughts, so you may have 1:04:50.840 --> 1:04:53.360 lost your balls in lock up, but I've still got mine. 1:04:53.400 --> 1:04:55.080 And I can see why a lot of people hate her, 1:04:55.160 --> 1:04:57.120 I really can, But for some reason, I like her 1:04:57.160 --> 1:05:00.800 and I hate the way she spoiler alert dies, So 1:05:01.200 --> 1:05:04.680 cut to the verdict attempted murder in the first degree. 1:05:04.760 --> 1:05:05.520 He's found. 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:09.240 Now here's what I don't understand about it being first degree. 1:05:09.360 --> 1:05:13.040 First degree is premeditation. Stabler just showed up on that 1:05:13.200 --> 1:05:17.640 roof and he pushed him. That's not premeditated, No, not 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:20.720 at all. It's the cop of it all. Yeah, that's 1:05:20.800 --> 1:05:24.480 like not that's I don't know. That feels like barely second. 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:27.120 I don't know because also it's not there's no deadly weapon. 1:05:27.320 --> 1:05:31.640 He just you know, it was a push. So anyway, 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:33.480 he's found guilty by the jury. 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:38.400 Yeah, Stabler came to his roof. Yeah, yeah, no, no, 1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:41.720 that is that is weird. I actually am just noticing that. 1:05:41.720 --> 1:05:43.480 I don't think I noticed when I actually watched. But 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:46.400 so they find Donovan guilty. 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:48.960 He slowly puts his head on the table and starts 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:51.480 banging his head, and then he starts begging for them 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:53.680 to just give him the needle. He's like kill me, 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:56.120 Like it's really dramatic and this guy is a great actor, 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:57.960 Like it's really really horrible. 1:05:58.320 --> 1:05:59.200 They drag him out. 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:01.400 He's just pleading over and over again, please don't do this, 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:03.760 Please don't do this. And Stabler looks fucked up over it, 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:06.320 like he's so now he's at a bar having a 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:09.000 drink and Sonya sidles up next to him and is like, 1:06:09.040 --> 1:06:11.680 oh hey, Stabler, let me buy you around. And then 1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:13.720 she tries to toast to a good day for the 1:06:13.760 --> 1:06:17.240 people and he's like, bitch, not happening. She says she 1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:19.640 does feel She's like, you don't think I feel sorry 1:06:19.720 --> 1:06:21.680 for Donovan, and he goes, good for you. You had 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:23.320 a shot to do the right thing and you didn't, 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:25.360 and then he walks out, leaving her with her little 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.600 round of drinks that she's probably gonna drink both of 1:06:27.680 --> 1:06:31.600 to be honest, So now it sings saying. Stabler opens 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:35.640 the slot of Donovan's cell and he's in there and 1:06:35.680 --> 1:06:37.520 he's been beaten up pretty bad, it looks like, and 1:06:37.520 --> 1:06:41.160 he's drugged on haldall and he's like, well, who tuned 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:43.200 him up? And the guy goes, he did it to himself. 1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:45.840 He smashed his head against the wall until we drugged him. 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:49.640 And then the guy, the corrections officer, wakes him up 1:06:49.640 --> 1:06:52.880 to take him to the medical unit and he's like 1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:55.480 confused and they're like, oh yeah. After he's stable, he 1:06:55.480 --> 1:06:58.400 gets to go to Gen Pop and Donovan thanks Stabler, 1:06:58.560 --> 1:07:02.280 but he's like it wasn't me. And then Stabler goes, 1:07:02.320 --> 1:07:04.080 did the warden see the light? And he goes not 1:07:04.160 --> 1:07:06.680 until the DA shined it in his eyes. She would 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:09.080 not take no for an answer, So we find out 1:07:09.160 --> 1:07:10.720 Sonya is the one that arranged for him to get 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:13.120 into Gen Pop and he tells Donovan to say goodbye 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:16.160 to the hole and he just stares at Stabler and 1:07:16.200 --> 1:07:21.000 then he gets walked away. And that's dick wolf my Bambino's. 1:07:21.440 --> 1:07:25.480 I just want that girl to get years. I am like, 1:07:25.880 --> 1:07:28.640 she fucked this guy over. I mean, he made the decision, 1:07:28.800 --> 1:07:32.440 you know, to shove and you know, hopefully five years 1:07:32.440 --> 1:07:33.320 he can make it out. 1:07:33.360 --> 1:07:35.240 But it's like, are you fucking kidding me? 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:38.640 Because she truly could have just said it was a guy. 1:07:39.440 --> 1:07:42.360 I didn't see his face, like they didn't like ing 1:07:42.480 --> 1:07:44.760 it was him, Yeah, they didn't like him. 1:07:45.160 --> 1:07:46.920 Yeah. 1:07:47.320 --> 1:07:51.560 That just makes it feel like it's more like in 1:07:51.840 --> 1:07:55.680 like terrible, you know, than what her original crime was. 1:07:56.480 --> 1:08:01.960 But that's that up, and I can't wait to hear 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:03.400 what crimes you have to tell me about. 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:22.800 There's so many stay tuned, buckle up, guys. Okay, so 1:08:24.200 --> 1:08:26.760 there's a few crimes and each of them are like 1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:29.080 a kind of a piece of each of the episodes, 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:32.240 and none of them actually fit at all. Okay, So 1:08:32.479 --> 1:08:36.920 the first one is the case of Mary Rogers, and 1:08:36.960 --> 1:08:39.519 this is connected to like the water of it all 1:08:39.880 --> 1:08:44.680 the yeah, just the water, okay, So and this is 1:08:44.760 --> 1:08:49.759 yeah eighteen forty one July twenty eighth, eighteen forty one, guys, 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:54.920 two New Yorkers were wandering the Hoboken shoreline near the 1:08:55.000 --> 1:08:58.559 spring at Sibyl's Cave, which is a popular tourist attraction 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:01.400 at the time. Since it is the eighteen hundreds, like, 1:09:02.160 --> 1:09:04.040 I can't imagine how. 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:05.519 Boring their tourist attractions were. 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:09.080 So they spotted a body bobbing two hundred yards out 1:09:09.080 --> 1:09:11.639 in the Hudson River, And while they waited on shore 1:09:11.680 --> 1:09:14.559 for the coroner to arrive, a man approached that, how 1:09:14.560 --> 1:09:16.480 do you even contact the authorities? 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:18.000 It's the eighteen hundreds. 1:09:18.040 --> 1:09:20.680 You're on a dock, Like I know, everything is so 1:09:20.800 --> 1:09:24.200 hard for me to picture here. But a man approached 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:27.400 them and said, oh, I recognized her from her clothing, 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:32.559 and that is Mary Cecilia Rogers. Records are heard, but 1:09:33.920 --> 1:09:35.880 like because it's so old, but they believe she was 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:41.040 born in eighteen twenty in Lime, Connecticut. I didn't realize 1:09:41.400 --> 1:09:43.519 not only lime disease was big in Connecticut. 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:46.760 I didn't realize Lime was a town. Yeah, that's where 1:09:46.760 --> 1:09:49.240 it comes from. That's where the name comes from. Why 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:53.400 that's wild. Yeah, because the town of Connecticut, of Lime, Connecticut, 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:56.120 I think, is where like it was first I don't know, 1:09:56.160 --> 1:09:57.240 discovered or whatever. 1:09:57.720 --> 1:10:01.840 It must suck to be. You know, your town is 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:07.719 a disease, now that you've caused. Her and her widowed 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:12.400 mom moved to Manhattan in the eighteen thirties and they 1:10:12.479 --> 1:10:15.400 ended up getting some single, working class girl jobs. So 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:19.120 Mary was a salesgirl at a tobacco emporium, and then 1:10:19.360 --> 1:10:23.559 her mother opened a boarding house, and so you know, 1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:26.080 Mary was working at Anderson's tobacco imporium. 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:27.360 She was super cool. 1:10:27.439 --> 1:10:31.160 There was an emerging social scene and young men came 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:34.719 by local writers, and even though people came for the tobacco, 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:37.519 Mary was a huge attraction. She was known in the 1:10:37.560 --> 1:10:41.360 press as the beautiful cigar girl. She became a huge 1:10:41.360 --> 1:10:44.400 celebrity in Manhattan. So she eventually returned home to help 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:47.320 her mother, but was still like the center of mail attention. 1:10:47.439 --> 1:10:50.559 Everyone was kind of obsessed with her and one person 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:53.080 that was super obsessed was a man named Daniel Payne, 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:56.720 and he was a cork cutter, and he also was 1:10:56.760 --> 1:11:03.360 a boarder cut corks who was a border and who 1:11:03.439 --> 1:11:06.720 got engaged in the summer of eighteen forty one. So 1:11:06.760 --> 1:11:09.520 Mary and Daniel Payne are engaged in eighteen forty one. 1:11:09.680 --> 1:11:12.040 He is also the last man to have seen her live. 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:15.880 So the morning of July twenty fifth, Mary left the 1:11:16.000 --> 1:11:18.519 Rogers boarding house and said she was gonna go visit 1:11:18.560 --> 1:11:21.720 on Aunt up Town and after that, nobody knows what's 1:11:21.720 --> 1:11:25.120 happened to her. And so then this a man named 1:11:25.240 --> 1:11:29.599 Arthur Chromelian who is Mary's ex saw the articles written 1:11:29.600 --> 1:11:32.720 about her missing and took the fairy to Hoboken to 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:35.960 search for her. And that's when he arrived as the 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:38.479 witnesses were there and as they were recovering her body, 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:44.599 and so that the timing is wild, very wild, and 1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:47.160 the cops didn't find him creepy enough, so they just 1:11:47.520 --> 1:11:49.120 moved on from the investigation. 1:11:49.280 --> 1:11:50.120 They were like, ah, this. 1:11:50.080 --> 1:11:54.080 Guy seems chill, okay, But so they turned their attention 1:11:54.160 --> 1:11:56.320 to pain but his alibi checked out and then no 1:11:56.400 --> 1:11:59.160 more leads came in until September, there was a break 1:11:59.200 --> 1:12:03.360 in the case. A group a group a group, A 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:06.280 group of local boys playing in a field found bundles 1:12:06.280 --> 1:12:09.439 of bloody clothing in the bushes and their mother alerted 1:12:09.479 --> 1:12:13.959 the police. And their mother was named uh Fredrika Loss, 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:17.599 and she operated a place called the nick Moore House 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:20.479 and Pub. And she revealed to the cops that Mary 1:12:20.520 --> 1:12:22.960 had checked into the nick Moore House on the night 1:12:23.040 --> 1:12:27.160 she disappeared with an unknown man. The pair went out 1:12:27.200 --> 1:12:30.760 and never returned. She also said she heard screams in 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:33.679 the night from the woods but didn't think much of it. 1:12:34.840 --> 1:12:38.680 Huh okay, I don't understand. I don't get it. 1:12:39.520 --> 1:12:42.120 But I also uh, A few bars are doing it now. 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:44.360 But I do really like a bar that has a 1:12:44.360 --> 1:12:49.720 hotel in it. Oh yeah, gold Diggers does that Barvel 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:52.760 in Los Felis has like it's a great wine bar, 1:12:52.920 --> 1:12:55.800 and then right above our like beautiful rooms, like really 1:12:55.840 --> 1:12:59.760 cool bi Boutiqui rooms. I'm into it. I really love it. 1:12:59.840 --> 1:13:03.439 But at the gold Digger bar, they like there's signs 1:13:03.439 --> 1:13:06.160 in the bar that's like need a room, ask a bartender. 1:13:06.800 --> 1:13:09.400 So it's more I don't know. 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:12.160 I think people are doing creepy shit, but I'm into Yeah, 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:12.880 I'm into it. 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:13.280 Okay. 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:16.680 So she didn't think anything of the screams. And then 1:13:16.720 --> 1:13:21.840 October seventh, pain. You know, her fiance was really, really sad, 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:24.240 and so he went to go to the place where 1:13:24.240 --> 1:13:27.480 her clothing was found, and he drank a bottle of Laudanam, 1:13:27.680 --> 1:13:31.920 which is a tincture of opium and alcohol. He overdosed 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:34.080 and he was later found a few hundred yards from 1:13:34.120 --> 1:13:35.880 where Mary's body was found. 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:38.040 The end that he had a note in his. 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:40.400 Pocket and it read, to the world, here I am 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:43.439 on the spot. God forgive me for my misfortune in 1:13:43.560 --> 1:13:44.960 my misspent time. 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:46.920 Huh. 1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:49.559 Edgar Allan Poe became obsessed with the case and published 1:13:49.560 --> 1:13:52.960 The Mystery of Mary Roguette and a sequel, Murders at 1:13:53.000 --> 1:13:56.320 the Room Morgue. And I don't know, there's a lot 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:58.840 of information about how Edgar Allan Poe was just kind 1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:01.160 of really into this case. But you know, I like 1:14:01.200 --> 1:14:05.120 the famous famous creep creepiness lover, famous creator of creep. 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:05.559 Yeah. 1:14:05.600 --> 1:14:11.480 So, November sixth, eighteen forty two, Frederica Loss was accidentally 1:14:11.520 --> 1:14:14.960 shot by one of her sons. The next ten days, 1:14:14.960 --> 1:14:18.040 she was in pain. She was babbling, hallucinating, and she 1:14:18.240 --> 1:14:22.120 claimed that a young woman was tormenting her. And then 1:14:22.160 --> 1:14:25.880 she finally made a final confession. She said that Mary 1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:28.759 came to Hoboken to get an abortion in the company 1:14:28.880 --> 1:14:32.080 of this young physician, but she died in the operation 1:14:32.280 --> 1:14:35.599 and lost a ton of blood. And so Loss's sons 1:14:35.800 --> 1:14:38.360 dumped the body in the river and scattered her clothing. 1:14:38.920 --> 1:14:41.840 And in later years it's even suspected that Loss was 1:14:41.880 --> 1:14:47.480 working as an assistant to the notorious Hoboken abortionist Madame Costello, 1:14:48.400 --> 1:14:53.040 whoa Right after the mother's death, two of her older 1:14:53.080 --> 1:14:55.720 sons were briefly charged in connection to the murder, but 1:14:55.840 --> 1:14:59.800 there was lack of heart evidence or witnesses, and you know, 1:14:59.840 --> 1:15:02.880 the condition of the mother during the confession, so the 1:15:02.920 --> 1:15:08.720 case does remain unsolved and no one knows. But wow, 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:12.280 a body in the river. Okay, So the next one. 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:17.240 Do you know about this Margo Kidder's disappearance. Yeah, I 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:19.720 remember reading about this a long time ago. I don't 1:15:19.760 --> 1:15:22.559 know the details, but I remember that she was having 1:15:22.600 --> 1:15:25.280 some thought. I think she was having some mental health issues. 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:29.080 But yeah, so this is so Margo Kidder, for those 1:15:29.160 --> 1:15:32.240 who don't know, was Lois Lane. In the Superman movies 1:15:32.680 --> 1:15:36.280 and famously for US she was Chadlow's mother, slash abuser, 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:39.240 slash lover and then murder victim on that episode Peak, 1:15:40.320 --> 1:15:43.479 which was a very good episode, and her. 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:47.800 Performance in that episode is killer. It's so good. I 1:15:47.840 --> 1:15:50.240 don't like. I don't like something she goes. 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:54.800 It requires a prevaricating nature that I did. I despise, Like, 1:15:54.840 --> 1:15:57.200 she just has a great like line delivery. 1:15:58.200 --> 1:16:00.559 Yeah, one of the rich moms, but the yea yeah, 1:16:00.600 --> 1:16:03.240 Benson's like, so if you're so rich, was there only 1:16:03.240 --> 1:16:04.000 one bedroom here? 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:06.400 Okay? So her career went from. 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:09.839 So this is I think, quote unquote like the hoax 1:16:09.960 --> 1:16:13.280 part of it, not the hoax, because something was going 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:15.760 on with Margo and with that woman. I mean, that 1:16:15.840 --> 1:16:19.880 woman in the episode is an addict with some issues. 1:16:19.960 --> 1:16:25.559 You know, Margo did not affect a fucking other person's life, 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:26.840 which the character did. 1:16:27.439 --> 1:16:28.880 So a little bit about Margo. 1:16:28.960 --> 1:16:32.120 Her career went from stardom to addiction, to bankruptcy and 1:16:32.160 --> 1:16:35.719 then finally this disappearance. At the height of her fame, 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:40.000 she was you know, Superman Blockbusters with Christopher Reeves and 1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:42.800 was known as the best paid Canadian performer in the US. 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:47.320 So she showed up to lax on Saturday night, April twentieth, 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:50.080 nineteen ninety six, for a flight to Phoenix on her 1:16:50.120 --> 1:16:54.040 way to teach an acting class at an Eastern Arizona College. 1:16:54.400 --> 1:16:57.040 But her flight was actually not till Sunday, so she 1:16:57.160 --> 1:16:59.800 wandered the airport for several hours and then at three 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:02.320 as she noticed a man named Ted Hall and he 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:05.280 was a television reporter from Tennessee, and she saw the 1:17:05.280 --> 1:17:07.479 cameras and everything, so she asked, oh, are you from 1:17:07.520 --> 1:17:09.920 the media, and can I hang out with you guys? 1:17:10.360 --> 1:17:12.719 And she told them she was being stalked by several 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:16.120 men hired by her ex husband to kill her, and 1:17:16.720 --> 1:17:18.719 she would tell that. She told them that he makes 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:20.799 Oj Simpson look like Alan Alda. 1:17:21.640 --> 1:17:24.280 I love that. I do too, That's a great line. 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:27.719 She pointed to one man and said that's him, that's 1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:30.479 the guy. But the journalists actually remembered him from the 1:17:30.520 --> 1:17:33.719 flight from Atlanta, so he realized something was off. 1:17:34.240 --> 1:17:35.679 She did not want to call the police. 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:39.280 Instead, she asked for a disguise or just switched jackets 1:17:39.320 --> 1:17:43.080 because hers was bugged. She eventually left the airport at 1:17:43.120 --> 1:17:45.920 four point thirty in the morning. The taxi driver did 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:48.000 kick her out because she was broke, and so for 1:17:48.040 --> 1:17:51.280 two days she wandered for miles on foot and hid 1:17:51.360 --> 1:17:55.320 from like these phantom stalkers, She approached some people on 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:57.439 the street who believed that she was homeless, so they 1:17:57.439 --> 1:17:59.439 gave her a ride to Glendale and offered to help 1:17:59.439 --> 1:18:01.839 her find a place to sleep, but all the shelters 1:18:01.840 --> 1:18:03.880 were full, so they paid thirty three dollars for a 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:07.160 room at the Bell Motor Motel at eleven pm Monday. 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:10.080 She appeared at the front desk the next morning, wrapped 1:18:10.120 --> 1:18:12.040 in a bed sheet and asked for scissors to cut 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:16.080 her hair, like things aren't good, and then finally at 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:18.200 six pm, the cops got a call from a homeowner 1:18:18.240 --> 1:18:21.240 when they found her behind a bush. April of nineteen 1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:24.600 ninety six, she was found in Glendale, California, in this backyard. 1:18:24.640 --> 1:18:26.880 She was dazed and cowering, and she was taken to 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:29.880 a psych ward. There was no evidence of foul play. 1:18:30.320 --> 1:18:33.000 She was missing for three days and then she was 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:36.519 just really scared, paranoid. It was obvious mental distress. According 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:39.280 to the police Sergeant Rick Young. She claimed to have 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:41.519 been followed and assaulted, but they did not think a 1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:44.760 crime took place. No alcohol or drugs were found in 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:48.120 her system at the time, so this is a true 1:18:48.120 --> 1:18:51.759 mental kind of collapse. There was no alcohol or drugs involved. 1:18:52.120 --> 1:18:54.920 And before this incident in nineteen ninety, she got into 1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:57.240 a bad car accident and that's what kind of started 1:18:57.240 --> 1:18:59.679 off her spiral. She was not able to work, which 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:01.680 put her into debt, and she was going through a 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:04.320 lot before this breakdown even happened. And then they found out, 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:08.200 you know, she had bipolar disorder. She also became addicted 1:19:08.240 --> 1:19:10.919 to pain pills after the surgery from the car accident, 1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:14.600 and she was just in constant pain. She finally had surgery, 1:19:15.439 --> 1:19:18.840 but then her insurance wouldn't pay for it, and then 1:19:18.840 --> 1:19:22.479 the production company also rejected the insurance's claims, and so 1:19:22.640 --> 1:19:25.639 she like wasn't but she did get injured on set 1:19:25.680 --> 1:19:30.200 in Vancouver. She was filming the Nancy Drew Mysteries or whatever, 1:19:30.760 --> 1:19:33.800 and so insurance would But it's Canada. What the fuck 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:41.000 is Canada's medical system? Knew I thought everyone just gets stuff, 1:19:41.160 --> 1:19:45.320 so whatever, or maybe because maybe she was a citizen 1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:48.400 here or had a visa, it's all America stuff. But 1:19:48.400 --> 1:19:51.759 it happened in Vancouver, very confusing, But it just seems 1:19:51.800 --> 1:19:53.920 like every turn people were fucking are over. So she 1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:56.840 lost her home and went bankrupt, and during the three 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:58.960 days she was wandering the street, she was like dirty 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:04.799 and penniless, delu and very alone, wrote The Washington Post. Sadly, 1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:07.959 she did die in twenty eighteen, and the Park Coroner's 1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:12.360 Office in Montana revealed that the cause was suicide, self 1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:16.759 inflicted drug and alcohol use. And a month after she passed, 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:19.479 both Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain took their own lives. 1:20:19.520 --> 1:20:21.599 And it really showed that there needs to be more 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:26.400 conversations and how it's a really national public health crisis. 1:20:27.280 --> 1:20:32.760 And I had no idea about Marco Kidder. Yeah, this 1:20:32.840 --> 1:20:36.599 sounds also like the Anne Hash thing, you know. Yeah, 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:42.559 just so sad. So those two cases are just like 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:45.759 in connection with the woman in the beginning. 1:20:45.880 --> 1:20:47.840 So now we're going to get into. 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:52.799 Sentences, parole, crime, solitary, all of that. So this third 1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:56.840 case we're going to touch on is about Herman Bell. 1:20:57.520 --> 1:21:01.000 So basically, two cops were shot in New York City 1:21:01.040 --> 1:21:05.080 in Harlem in nineteen seventy one. The Black Liberation Party, 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:07.439 which is an offshoot of the Black Panther Party took 1:21:07.439 --> 1:21:11.559 credit for the killings of Joseph A. Pa Gentini and 1:21:11.640 --> 1:21:12.400 Waverley M. 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:12.920 Jones. 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:16.719 Yet Bell was captured in nineteen seventy three in New Orleans, 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:18.840 more than two years after the cops were killed, which 1:21:18.880 --> 1:21:22.599 is kind of wild. A jury convicted three men, Herman Bell, 1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:25.839 Anthony Bottam, and Albert Washington. They each got a sentence 1:21:25.880 --> 1:21:29.080 of twenty five to life. So Herman Bell served four 1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:31.960 decades in prison starting in nineteen seventy nine, and then 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:35.759 was granted parole in March of twenty eighteen. And against 1:21:35.840 --> 1:21:39.200 all odds, people were hell bent on keeping him in there. 1:21:39.280 --> 1:21:41.920 They did not want him out, like cop killers are 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:45.800 the worst. Like I don't know, because a lot of 1:21:45.800 --> 1:21:48.479 these cases, like even Colleen stan we talk about them. 1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:50.599 I'm like, that man cannot be paroled and he needs 1:21:50.640 --> 1:21:52.679 to be in jail forever. And then when I read 1:21:52.720 --> 1:21:55.800 something like this, I go forty years in prison is 1:21:55.840 --> 1:21:59.720 a lot, I think it's okay, And so it is. 1:22:00.000 --> 1:22:04.360 It's like really hard because it's not it's not across 1:22:04.400 --> 1:22:08.120 the board. It's really hard to kind of discuss these things. 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:11.360 So it was the eighth time for him in front 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:16.559 of the Pearl Board and the Patrolman's Benevolent Association, and 1:22:16.600 --> 1:22:19.280 the letter from Mayor Bill de Blasio urged the state 1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:23.240 Board to reconsider. Deblasio said that murdering a police officer 1:22:23.280 --> 1:22:25.760 in cold blood is a crime beyond the frontiers of 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:27.320 rehabilitation or redemption. 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:29.280 According to The New York Times. 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:31.040 I agree with you in the sense that, like, I 1:22:31.080 --> 1:22:32.960 don't know how much. I don't know if forty years 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:33.519 is enough time. 1:22:33.560 --> 1:22:35.519 If you're a member of a person's family and they 1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:38.719 took them away from you, whatever, Why is a cop 1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:41.920 more important than a sex worker? You know? Why is 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:45.160 a cop more important than another person? Like, that's what 1:22:45.240 --> 1:22:48.000 I kind of don't It's like, if you're going to 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:50.760 just say this is what the cost of murdering a 1:22:50.800 --> 1:22:53.519 person is, then that's it. Like to say, murdering a 1:22:53.560 --> 1:22:56.760 cop in blood, murdering a cop is worse. 1:22:56.520 --> 1:22:59.080 Than murdering anyone else. I don't know if I really. 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:04.479 No, that's bullshit because actually, as a cop, you put 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:05.599 your life in danger. 1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:06.639 That is part of your life. 1:23:06.840 --> 1:23:08.160 And if that's how we're going to do it, then 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:11.120 when cops commit crimes, they should get quadruple the punishment, 1:23:11.400 --> 1:23:14.920 Like when they abuse their power and sexually assault people, 1:23:15.280 --> 1:23:18.080 and you know, take like we're about to do another 1:23:18.120 --> 1:23:21.559 episode where cops did shady shit, like then they should get, 1:23:21.680 --> 1:23:25.080 you know, quadruple the crime. If you get quadruple the 1:23:25.080 --> 1:23:27.320 punishment for hurting them, they should get quadruple to punishment 1:23:27.320 --> 1:23:28.160 for hurting other people. 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:32.960 Oh yeah, and well yeah, and they should also have 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:34.720 to pay their own settlements. 1:23:35.280 --> 1:23:35.759 Yeah. 1:23:36.040 --> 1:23:38.280 I think a lot of them would maybe behave if 1:23:38.280 --> 1:23:40.719 they didn't, if they is coming out of their own pockets. 1:23:40.760 --> 1:23:40.960 Yeah. 1:23:41.000 --> 1:23:44.560 I think for these people like the Banilla Benevolent Association 1:23:44.720 --> 1:23:46.360 and the mayor and stuff like, to them, it's like 1:23:46.360 --> 1:23:49.800 they're setting them up like you're a hero already and 1:23:49.880 --> 1:23:53.240 so killing a hero. But it's like there's a complicated 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:57.479 everything with cops. There are certainly cop heroes. There are 1:23:57.520 --> 1:24:02.439 certainly very unherly unhear own cops. Yeah, but I don't 1:24:02.600 --> 1:24:05.800 I think for them, it's like they're immediately on a pedestal, 1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:07.599 So killing them is worse than anything. 1:24:08.320 --> 1:24:08.519 Yeah. 1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:11.040 And when you're just like very young and depending where 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:13.479 you grow up from and like the fact of the 1:24:13.520 --> 1:24:15.360 matter is, murderer is wrong. But if you are part 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:17.320 of this liberation and you feel like cops are an 1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:18.200 agent of. 1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:23.040 The system, then it is sol layered. 1:24:23.760 --> 1:24:25.640 Yeah, but anyways, even with the pearole, he's gonna be 1:24:25.680 --> 1:24:28.160 supervised for life. And the parole board concluded that he 1:24:28.280 --> 1:24:31.320 matured and expressed remorse, and they took in a few 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:35.080 factors such as his age, his limited disciplinary history, and 1:24:35.200 --> 1:24:38.200 network of supporters, and said that the state has prepared 1:24:38.240 --> 1:24:41.840 him for his release. Albert Washington, the other person, died 1:24:41.840 --> 1:24:45.200 in prison in April two thousand and then Anthony Bottom 1:24:45.280 --> 1:24:47.799 was granted parole at sixty eight years old in twenty 1:24:47.880 --> 1:24:52.400 twenty and released, you know, in October of twenty twenty. 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:55.800 I understand the families of victims being upset, but the 1:24:55.880 --> 1:25:00.840 language is kind of insane, you know. The president of 1:25:00.880 --> 1:25:05.160 the association, the Police Benelevents Association, Pat Lynch, said cop 1:25:05.240 --> 1:25:08.240 killers should never be returned to society. And it's like, 1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:13.040 I don't know, I don't know, what about the cops 1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:15.640 that kill their wives? Can they be returned to society? 1:25:16.160 --> 1:25:19.479 It's just so fucking annoying. Did we even ever find 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:22.160 out what happened to that cops wife who was like 1:25:22.439 --> 1:25:24.720 boiled to death in the car that he locked her in? 1:25:25.240 --> 1:25:29.200 What This was like a couple of years ago, a 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:31.679 CoP's wife was found in the back of a police 1:25:31.720 --> 1:25:33.280 car and was like a hot day. He put her 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:35.840 in there and she boiled because you can't get out 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:36.759 and it was hot as fuck. 1:25:36.880 --> 1:25:39.200 And I don't think anything ever happened. 1:25:39.720 --> 1:25:44.479 Miami police officer, Yeah, twenty twenty dies after she gets 1:25:44.479 --> 1:25:46.639 trapped for hours in the back of his work vehicle. 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:50.840 Cause of death had not been released. Really feels like 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:52.280 we know what happened. 1:25:52.840 --> 1:25:55.400 But he's acting like she got in the back of 1:25:55.400 --> 1:25:58.200 the car or something like that. He came home from work, 1:25:58.320 --> 1:26:01.600 went to bed. Yeah, and she didn't know where she was. 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:02.160 Sure. 1:26:03.320 --> 1:26:07.400 Yeah, it's it's unknown why she went inside her husband's 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.240 vehicle without her cell phone. 1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:12.320 This is according to CNN. Yeah, and I don't know. 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:14.519 I don't think there. It sounds like there's not even 1:26:14.560 --> 1:26:18.160 gonna be an investigation into it from what I'm looking at. Nope, 1:26:18.240 --> 1:26:20.680 that was it. Nothing about it since October of three 1:26:20.760 --> 1:26:24.439 years ago. Wow, all right, So that's what I mean. 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:26.960 It's just like, obviously, a life is a life. These 1:26:27.000 --> 1:26:30.680 cops had full families, people who loved them, like absolutely, 1:26:30.720 --> 1:26:33.479 but the language of all these people is such bullshit. 1:26:33.800 --> 1:26:35.320 It's like their lives don't matter. 1:26:35.479 --> 1:26:38.559 Ranking people in society, yeah, like ranking people as more 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:40.200 important than other people is not. 1:26:40.800 --> 1:26:41.320 Yeah. 1:26:41.520 --> 1:26:43.200 Yeah, it makes me be like you have released all 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:44.920 of the cop killers, you know what I mean. It's 1:26:45.000 --> 1:26:48.720 just like the language actually does the opposite. According to 1:26:48.840 --> 1:26:52.719 CBS News in September twenty twenty, it said that sixteen 1:26:52.760 --> 1:26:55.599 cop killers in New York have gone free in three years, 1:26:56.720 --> 1:26:59.519 you know, in this time. But then an adjoint statement 1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:04.080 from the Release Aging People in Prisons Campaign, very specific 1:27:04.200 --> 1:27:08.519 name exactly what they're doing. The Parole Preparation Project and 1:27:08.600 --> 1:27:12.519 the Brooklyn Defender's Officer and Legal Aid Society and Support 1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:16.640 of the Parole Board's decision released this, and really I 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:19.280 like what they said. The purpose of parole is to 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:22.519 evaluate people for release based on who they are today, 1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:25.720 not to extend sentences into perpetuity. 1:27:27.680 --> 1:27:28.560 And I like that. 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:33.280 Okay, this final case that I'm going to touch on 1:27:34.600 --> 1:27:40.160 is again about like parole. I don't know why none 1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:45.280 of the crimes on the wikier were about solitary confinement 1:27:45.320 --> 1:27:48.760 in all honesty. But here's another This is very interesting. 1:27:49.200 --> 1:27:53.040 Do you know about this about Norman Mahler and Jack rabbit. Okay, 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:57.000 I think you're gonna be enticed. It's kind of wild. So. 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:01.960 Jack Henry Abbott is a best selling author and convicted 1:28:02.040 --> 1:28:04.600 killer who was paroled in nineteen eighty one with the 1:28:04.640 --> 1:28:09.759 support of novelist Norman Mailer. So six weeks later after 1:28:09.800 --> 1:28:12.880 he was paroled, he killed a waiter in cold blood 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:16.640 and then was sentenced to fifteen years to life for manslaughter, 1:28:17.520 --> 1:28:19.800 and while in prison, he did take his own life 1:28:19.840 --> 1:28:22.360 with a bedsheet and a shoelace at his maximum security 1:28:22.360 --> 1:28:25.720 prison in two thousand and two. His lawyer, Michael Kuzma, 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:27.800 has doubts that he took his own life because he 1:28:27.840 --> 1:28:30.320 had been voicing fears for his safety in recent weeks, 1:28:30.680 --> 1:28:33.160 but a note was found, even if the contents had 1:28:33.160 --> 1:28:36.920 not been released, so we're not really sure. This case 1:28:37.000 --> 1:28:39.519 drew a lot of national headlines and spurred a debate 1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:42.679 about whether the parole system was too lenient, and also 1:28:42.720 --> 1:28:45.040 brought a ton of criticism to Norman Mahler, who was 1:28:45.080 --> 1:28:48.639 obsessed with Abbot and just focused on his literary gifts 1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:52.040 and not the capacity for violence because he's a fucking idiot, 1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:55.760 even though he went to Harvard wrote novels essays, nonfiction 1:28:56.000 --> 1:29:00.840 journalism biographies won Politzer Prizes National Book of WS and 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:02.799 of course was married six times. 1:29:03.400 --> 1:29:04.320 One of those wives. 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:07.799 In nineteen sixty he stabbed in the abdomen after a party. 1:29:08.840 --> 1:29:14.320 So Norman Mailer go, fuck yourself, Like this is classic 1:29:14.360 --> 1:29:15.800 when men are like, I don't know. He was like 1:29:15.920 --> 1:29:17.840 so nice and chill, and it's like you could tell 1:29:17.840 --> 1:29:18.720 from a mile away this. 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:19.400 Is a psychopath. 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:22.280 But anyways, but to be able to go to Harvard 1:29:22.360 --> 1:29:27.360 and still not under like, it's just something about people 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:31.200 who think they're intelligent or like BookSmart or literary, or 1:29:31.240 --> 1:29:33.519 like the gifts are above everything else, Like you are 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:35.000 blinded to true humanity. 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:35.360 I think. 1:29:36.360 --> 1:29:38.840 So Abbot was in prison to begin with for just 1:29:38.880 --> 1:29:43.960 like writing bad checks. But then he murdered another inmate 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:48.240 and that is what extended his sentence and put him 1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:52.320 into solitary and stuff like that. So Abbot began sending 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:55.600 Mailer letters from prison in the late seventies, and with 1:29:55.680 --> 1:29:58.600 the help of Mailer like who wrote an intro. He 1:29:58.680 --> 1:30:01.760 published all these letters in a book called In the 1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:06.000 Belly of the Beast in nineteen eighty one, and in 1:30:06.200 --> 1:30:09.160 the intro, Mailer wrote that the boldness of the juvenile 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:13.320 delinquent grows into the audacity of the self made intellectual, 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:14.519 which is wishful. 1:30:14.680 --> 1:30:17.439 Hope honestly likes a bad boy. Norman Mahler likes a 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:17.920 bad boy. 1:30:18.360 --> 1:30:22.240 Yeah, and so like, you know, he was just hoping 1:30:22.280 --> 1:30:25.240 it's not crime and punishment, but crime punishment and redemption 1:30:25.920 --> 1:30:28.599 and that talent, I guess redeems you in some way. 1:30:28.640 --> 1:30:30.200 And we see that time and time again. 1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:33.759 I mean, people are still happily listening to r Kelly, 1:30:34.280 --> 1:30:36.400 you know what I mean, because whenever someone is bad, 1:30:36.439 --> 1:30:40.519 it's like, well, innocent until proven guilty, and then when 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:45.640 they're proven guilty, their stance doesn't change. Like he R 1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:48.160 Kelly's in prison. Why are you still listening to him? 1:30:48.320 --> 1:30:50.400 But okay, so, yeah, he just thought that the act 1:30:50.439 --> 1:30:53.320 of writing can transform a violent person into just a 1:30:53.320 --> 1:30:57.400 philosopher of violence. But like, honey, it's not just a theory, 1:30:57.640 --> 1:30:59.360 you know what I mean, Like, if someone lives by 1:30:59.400 --> 1:31:03.839 these princess that they're writing, it's not just an idea 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:08.439 or philosophy. And this person, you know, Abbott has been 1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:11.200 since the age of twelve, spent all but nine and 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:15.240 a half months in prison, and fifteen of those years 1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:19.320 were in solitary confinement. Mailer wrote to the Utah Board 1:31:19.320 --> 1:31:21.960 of Corrections that mister Abbott has the making of a 1:31:22.000 --> 1:31:25.280 powerful and important American writer and promised him a job 1:31:25.320 --> 1:31:27.880 as a research assistant at one hundred and fifty dollars 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:31.080 a week. And when he was released, he was treated 1:31:31.120 --> 1:31:33.240 like a literary celebrity. 1:31:33.960 --> 1:31:34.160 You know. 1:31:34.200 --> 1:31:37.920 He was on Good Morning America, Good Reviews, Fancy Dinners, 1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:42.600 People Magazine, interviews, SOHO News, he was doing assignments for 1:31:42.640 --> 1:31:45.560 the New York Review of Books in the Atlanta Journal Constitution. 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:47.719 He signed with an agent. 1:31:48.320 --> 1:31:51.840 People loved the book, and they compared his jail time 1:31:51.880 --> 1:31:56.519 to like political prisoners, which is not the same and 1:31:56.600 --> 1:31:59.080 in two weeks, because that's the whole thing. They're like 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:03.200 comparing so much of him to like Russian authors and 1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:06.240 stuff like that, Like and I don't know. 1:32:06.160 --> 1:32:08.200 People that were persecuted, but it's like this guy real 1:32:08.280 --> 1:32:09.440 bad checks. 1:32:09.479 --> 1:32:12.080 Like it's like Teresa Judye, I'm sorry you have to 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:14.320 go to jail, but you guys did do mail fraud, 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:17.000 like you did steal money, Like I'm not paid taxes 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:17.519 or whatever. 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:19.960 Yeah, I mean them being like, oh, they've been through 1:32:20.000 --> 1:32:22.120 a lot it's like, no, no, your parents are criminals. 1:32:22.240 --> 1:32:24.760 You still got to keep your house many people do not, 1:32:25.080 --> 1:32:27.960 and your kids, and you got to like stagger or 1:32:28.000 --> 1:32:29.160 set like your time. 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:29.920 Yeah. 1:32:30.040 --> 1:32:32.559 I just obviously you can have a hard time within 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:34.800 your family and struggle, but to try to get like 1:32:34.880 --> 1:32:39.639 empathy from others when you're a slumlord, go fuck yourself. 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:43.680 So two weeks later, after all these dinners and all 1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:47.360 this fun and all this attention, he stabbed Richard Aden 1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:51.479 twenty two, an aspiring actor and playwright, to death outside 1:32:51.479 --> 1:32:53.679 of an East Village restaurant where he worked as a waiter. 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:56.439 There was a month long manhunt, and he was found 1:32:56.479 --> 1:33:00.720 in Louisiana. Again, Louisiana. Why are people all fleeing to Louisiana? 1:33:00.720 --> 1:33:01.160 I wonder. 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:05.560 January nineteen eighty two, he was convicted of first degree manslaughter. 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:06.719 Wildly. 1:33:06.800 --> 1:33:11.840 Mailer did say he felt a very large responsibility. He said, 1:33:11.840 --> 1:33:14.320 never thought Abbot was close to killing and that's why 1:33:14.360 --> 1:33:16.120 I have to sit in judgment on myself. 1:33:16.520 --> 1:33:19.160 I just was not sensitive to that fact. 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:24.000 Okay, classic dude stuff, and oh my god, so wild 1:33:24.120 --> 1:33:27.360 the trial was happening for this, you know, murder. Abbot 1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:31.160 represented himself at one point and told Adam's widow, ricci 1:33:31.439 --> 1:33:34.639 Aden that her husband's life was in quote, not worth 1:33:34.680 --> 1:33:38.960 a dime. They just let the psycho represent himself at 1:33:38.960 --> 1:33:39.799 the civil trial. 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:40.519 Oh my god. 1:33:41.000 --> 1:33:42.800 And yet this is what I mean with this, like 1:33:43.600 --> 1:33:47.840 upper crust people, it's like, oh, well, I think you're good. 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:51.200 I see your humanity, so you must be you know 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:54.680 what I mean? Like this dude is clearly fucked up, 1:33:54.680 --> 1:33:59.040 but so is Norman Mailer. Yeah, And the even wilder 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:01.280 is that Abbot knew the whole time that Mailer's view 1:34:01.320 --> 1:34:03.200 of him was wrong and he was not the person 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:06.000 his literary mentor made him out to be. He wrote 1:34:06.040 --> 1:34:08.120 to Mailer in one of the letters in the seventies, 1:34:08.160 --> 1:34:10.599 my life is not a saga, and I resent your 1:34:10.760 --> 1:34:11.760 using the term like that. 1:34:11.960 --> 1:34:15.320 I do not feel heroic. And that's that. 1:34:15.880 --> 1:34:17.600 I do think there is something to be said for 1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:20.160 like looking into this guy Abbott's like past, like he's 1:34:20.160 --> 1:34:22.519 in jail from twelve years old, Like nine and a 1:34:22.560 --> 1:34:24.879 half months of his life have ever been spent in freedom? 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:26.439 Like I do think that's a little bit one of 1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:30.160 the what the episode is talking about. It's fucked up 1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:32.680 that Norman Mayler was like, I'm gonna bestow you with 1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:35.439 my privilege and decide that you're the chosen one. But 1:34:35.479 --> 1:34:37.760 at the same time, like this guy seems like he's 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:41.720 a product of the incarceration system and like being in 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:43.680 jail for most of his fucking life and then he 1:34:43.800 --> 1:34:47.960 just randomly murders waiters and has no value for their lives, 1:34:48.120 --> 1:34:48.400 you know. 1:34:48.560 --> 1:34:51.519 Like no, And this New York Times article talks about 1:34:51.560 --> 1:34:57.519 like usually, you know, even with herman, it's like you 1:34:57.520 --> 1:35:00.240 you leave jail and you're going to parole meetings and 1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:03.719 a halfway how like you're being supervised, there's check ins. 1:35:04.120 --> 1:35:06.840 This guy just went into hanging out with the glitterati 1:35:06.880 --> 1:35:11.960 of the literary Manhattan community being celebrated. So I don't 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:14.559 I don't even understand how he didn't have parole meetings 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:17.680 to go to, how he wasn't being monitored, that he 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:20.200 just got to be on the news and celebrated and 1:35:20.280 --> 1:35:21.360 drink champagne. 1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:23.559 Like that also fucks with you. 1:35:23.640 --> 1:35:26.720 It's like this this admiration and people are obsessed with you, 1:35:27.280 --> 1:35:31.960 and I'm sure that's like such a hard departure from 1:35:32.080 --> 1:35:34.559 what he normally know. The good news is in nineteen 1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:37.000 ninety a Manhattan jury did award seven point five to 1:35:37.080 --> 1:35:40.120 seven million in damages to Adam's widow, Ricci. 1:35:40.439 --> 1:35:43.840 So oh because they gave him parole and then he 1:35:43.960 --> 1:35:45.040 killed Yeah. 1:35:45.640 --> 1:35:48.280 Yeah, and you know, all the money from this book 1:35:48.360 --> 1:35:51.760 goes to him, to her to like make this oh yeah, 1:35:51.800 --> 1:35:53.519 because he can't profit off of his crimes. 1:35:53.840 --> 1:35:56.360 Yeah. Oh my gosh. 1:35:56.400 --> 1:35:58.800 Wow, because I think you heard of the Belly of 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:00.799 the Beast, Like I've heard that before. 1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:03.280 I think I've heard of that too. Yeah. 1:36:03.360 --> 1:36:05.320 So yeah, I mean I think this is like a 1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:10.800 weird collection of kisses that all kind of fit like 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:14.840 little pieces into what we watched, but definitely not as 1:36:14.880 --> 1:36:17.560 clear cut as a lot of our other episodes. 1:36:18.240 --> 1:36:22.880 Yeah, and it did interesting, yes, and it didn't like 1:36:23.600 --> 1:36:28.400 focus on any specific like stories of solitary confinement. 1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:30.880 But we're going to get into that a little bit. 1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:32.640 And what would sister Peg do? 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:35.600 So let's just jump into our post mortem since we 1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:36.559 don't have a guest. 1:36:41.000 --> 1:36:44.080 All right, post mortem time? What did we look? 1:36:44.160 --> 1:36:46.439 I mean, I don't know, I don't really agree with 1:36:47.040 --> 1:36:49.680 solitary confinement. I don't know what the answer is, like 1:36:49.680 --> 1:36:51.400 what we're supposed to do with people that are like 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:53.759 super violent and can't be around the rest of the 1:36:53.800 --> 1:36:55.960 population of the jail. But I do just feel like 1:36:56.040 --> 1:36:57.160 it's making things worse. 1:36:57.360 --> 1:36:59.640 Can't they be in cells that are like in a 1:36:59.720 --> 1:37:03.599 surpal so they can at least like see each other 1:37:03.720 --> 1:37:08.160 sometimes or pass no have a conversation. Yeah, but the 1:37:08.200 --> 1:37:10.040 way they can't have them having ideas. You know, we 1:37:10.080 --> 1:37:14.360 did watch con Air. I finally showed you con Air. Sure, sure, 1:37:15.080 --> 1:37:19.160 we can't have them hatching up too many plans. You're right, 1:37:19.280 --> 1:37:21.800 it's it's tough. It's like you know it's wrong, but 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:25.080 you don't have the answer. Yeah, because for death penalty 1:37:25.080 --> 1:37:28.080 being against it, there is an answer, but I think 1:37:28.080 --> 1:37:29.400 that's solitary confinement. 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:33.200 So like I don't know, well not, I don't know 1:37:33.240 --> 1:37:34.280 the people on death row. 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:38.679 I don't necessarily think are are are in solitary Are. 1:37:38.520 --> 1:37:42.000 They Maybe I think they could just do zooms or something, 1:37:42.200 --> 1:37:44.320 but they don't want them to have any technolo like 1:37:44.560 --> 1:37:46.280 they're trying to punish them, but. 1:37:46.200 --> 1:37:49.240 Where they're being punished, but like no outside, no air 1:37:49.280 --> 1:37:50.040 and not a window. 1:37:50.240 --> 1:37:52.160 Like it's too much. I think it's too much. 1:37:52.280 --> 1:37:54.760 I think it's too much punishment. I just feel if 1:37:54.800 --> 1:37:58.800 you're there forever alone. You should get some books, like 1:37:58.840 --> 1:38:03.600 you should get stuff. They just don't trust them. I 1:38:03.600 --> 1:38:06.040 don't know. It is fucked. You're right, we don't have 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:08.680 the answers. If you have the answer and think this 1:38:08.840 --> 1:38:12.720 is super simple, let us know. Yeah, maybe I have 1:38:12.800 --> 1:38:14.759 the people online that have all the answers. 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:19.760 I do appreciate the show having Christopher Maloney do like, 1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:22.200 you know, solitary confinement cause play and be in there 1:38:22.240 --> 1:38:25.040 for three days and go absolutely crazy to a pat cockroach. 1:38:25.120 --> 1:38:26.920 So when they brought in the cockroach, do you think 1:38:26.920 --> 1:38:29.559 he was like, yeah, I'm ready. Was he like oh god, 1:38:29.680 --> 1:38:32.840 damn it, or like I've been waiting for this soulm 1:38:32.920 --> 1:38:35.040 oh wait, hold on. We have a friend. I watched 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:38.559 him do stand up last night and he had a 1:38:38.640 --> 1:38:41.760 really funny joke. I don't want to ruined the joke, 1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:44.880 but I want to not give credit, you know what 1:38:44.920 --> 1:38:48.639 I mean. But it's Mosha Kasher and he was saying 1:38:48.680 --> 1:38:52.280 how he has like violent, violent rat traps and he 1:38:52.280 --> 1:38:54.439 heard a rat get stuck in one of the traps, 1:38:54.479 --> 1:38:58.559 but it wasn't dead, and so he was just like, fuck, 1:38:58.720 --> 1:38:59.920 you know, I have to put it out of it. 1:39:00.000 --> 1:39:02.240 It's misery, Like what I've learned from life, is like 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:05.040 you don't let an animal suffer. But then his daughter 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:08.280 was like, well, can I come, And so he in 1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:10.280 his head was like, I guess this is a teachable moment. 1:39:10.320 --> 1:39:13.800 Well I'll teach her to like, you know, you gotta 1:39:13.800 --> 1:39:15.519 put animals out of their misery. 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:18.840 You can't let them be in pain. So they went downstairs. 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:21.680 But like he said that, like, so he took a 1:39:21.720 --> 1:39:24.439 golf club and hit it on the head, but instead 1:39:24.439 --> 1:39:27.479 of dying, it became stronger, and then he just had 1:39:27.520 --> 1:39:30.280 to keep hitting it and it went into like ten 1:39:30.560 --> 1:39:35.200 fifteen hits. It started pissing itself. The rat is pissing itself. 1:39:35.320 --> 1:39:38.800 It's like screaming. And then he's and then it hits 1:39:38.840 --> 1:39:41.360 him that his daughter's in the room and she's five, 1:39:41.479 --> 1:39:43.920 and so he's like turning around to be like, oh, 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:46.040 I'm sorry, I fucked up, like go upstairs, but she 1:39:46.240 --> 1:39:47.520 was there with like bloodlust. 1:39:47.600 --> 1:39:50.360 She was like, yeah, I get him, fucking kill it, 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:51.240 kill it. 1:39:51.360 --> 1:39:55.439 Like she was just super aggressive, like she was in 1:39:55.479 --> 1:39:58.439 a colisseum in Rome and just like screaming for this 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:02.479 rat's death. And so he thought he traumatized her, but 1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:05.240 really he found out she could be a sociopath, Like, 1:40:05.360 --> 1:40:05.920 we don't know. 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:10.280 I just saw them last week, the whole fam at 1:40:10.280 --> 1:40:13.120 a pizza place, and she's the sweetest little thing. 1:40:13.240 --> 1:40:14.719 And that's really wild. 1:40:16.320 --> 1:40:20.040 And his joke is just so fun I honestly, last 1:40:20.120 --> 1:40:22.240 night I went up first on this show. I had 1:40:22.280 --> 1:40:26.800 a great time, and then I stayed and watched three comics. 1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:30.280 I was loving it. I was like having the time 1:40:30.320 --> 1:40:33.799 of my life. Everyone was so funny. I've really one person. 1:40:33.840 --> 1:40:36.040 I was kind of annoyed that I found him funny, 1:40:36.240 --> 1:40:39.200 to be honest, but I was into it. 1:40:39.360 --> 1:40:42.040 Wow, it was a Halloween miracle. Yeah. And then. 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:47.080 Who had a joke about like why is pepper spray 1:40:47.120 --> 1:40:49.639 only for women? He's like, I need to protect myself too, 1:40:49.840 --> 1:40:52.240 and then he goes into like probably a eight minute 1:40:52.280 --> 1:40:55.479 joke about pepper spray that he's pepper sprayed six people, 1:40:55.760 --> 1:40:59.200 how to pepper spray, Like how to get away? And 1:40:59.240 --> 1:41:01.640 then he's like, pepper spray, you gotta run because the 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:04.000 first time I got cocky, it was like, yeah, take 1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:06.559 that pepper spray, bitch, and it goes, but it blows back, 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:07.400 it blows back. 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:14.479 Oh my god. That rat story is really terrifying. I 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:16.720 know she was just like get it her, daddy, get it, 1:41:16.800 --> 1:41:17.040 you know. 1:41:18.080 --> 1:41:21.439 So and the rat death, Like I hate rats, but 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:23.720 I don't like hearing about how this rat was being 1:41:23.760 --> 1:41:26.800 growing stronger and pissing. No, they should have left the 1:41:26.840 --> 1:41:28.800 house and let it die slowly on its own, like 1:41:28.840 --> 1:41:31.240 I don't know the answer, or like get better poison, 1:41:31.360 --> 1:41:34.320 Like obviously it's not a good trap, like get poison. Yeah, 1:41:34.560 --> 1:41:36.640 I don't think it needs a metal You don't need 1:41:36.680 --> 1:41:39.240 to be snapping its like backbone. 1:41:39.400 --> 1:41:41.320 But that's what they say is the most humane. 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:43.240 The snap traps are the most humane because it just, 1:41:43.439 --> 1:41:46.240 at least for mice, it just kills them the quickest. 1:41:46.560 --> 1:41:49.360 This was a super rat. It sounds like this rat 1:41:49.400 --> 1:41:52.639 was on roids. No, the pissing itself is the level 1:41:52.680 --> 1:41:53.360 where it's. 1:41:53.240 --> 1:41:57.360 Like, uh fuck and the five year old, I, oh 1:41:57.400 --> 1:41:58.600 my god, Okay, we got it. 1:41:58.800 --> 1:42:03.800 We gotta move on this week. 1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:05.800 You know our segment what would mister Peg Do, where 1:42:05.800 --> 1:42:08.720 we direct you guys towards like a resource, an organization 1:42:08.800 --> 1:42:11.360 and articles, something that gives you more information about the 1:42:11.360 --> 1:42:18.000 episode you saw today. And this episode came out before 1:42:18.400 --> 1:42:21.080 the death of Khalif Browder, which I considered to be 1:42:21.160 --> 1:42:25.519 one of the most tragic, unjust tragedies of modern times. 1:42:26.080 --> 1:42:28.599 He was a black teen from the Bronx who spent 1:42:28.680 --> 1:42:31.479 three years in jail just never being convicted of a 1:42:31.479 --> 1:42:34.479 crime for stealing a backpack. It was not him, and 1:42:35.800 --> 1:42:38.120 it's just a horrible case of how he was kept 1:42:38.160 --> 1:42:43.680 in solitary and later his solitary because of things that 1:42:43.720 --> 1:42:46.680 happened in jail, like what happens in this episode, Like 1:42:47.040 --> 1:42:49.160 he went in for a crime that wasn't that bad, 1:42:49.160 --> 1:42:51.559 but then it's like you defend yourself in jail, you fight, 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:53.080 and then you get put into solitary. 1:42:53.720 --> 1:42:56.760 So this this all happened when I was living in 1:42:56.800 --> 1:42:57.759 New York. It's horrible. 1:42:57.960 --> 1:43:02.000 And there's a great docum series called Time The Khalif 1:43:02.120 --> 1:43:06.120 Brouder Story. It is on Netflix, and it covers Kalif's 1:43:06.200 --> 1:43:09.559 entire case, and you know, his tragic death and his 1:43:09.840 --> 1:43:13.280 uh subsequent mental health issues after being imprisoned, and the 1:43:13.360 --> 1:43:17.160 legacy after his death. So if you're interested in learning 1:43:17.160 --> 1:43:20.360 a little bit more about solitary confinement and Khalif's Prouder story, 1:43:20.400 --> 1:43:23.200 then please check that out and that will be posted 1:43:23.360 --> 1:43:26.240 in our stories the day that this episode comes out 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:28.840 and saved forever in our what would Sister Peg do? 1:43:29.280 --> 1:43:32.519 Highlight? Wow, that is so fucking sad. 1:43:33.120 --> 1:43:36.519 Yeah, and next week please join us, we'll be doing 1:43:36.560 --> 1:43:40.400 Manhattan Vigil Season fourteen, episode five. 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:44.040 We're obsessed with all of you. We love meeting all 1:43:44.080 --> 1:43:44.280 of you. 1:43:44.560 --> 1:43:47.479 Thanks for all our cute Taylor Swift style friendship brace 1:43:47.520 --> 1:43:51.640 I can't believe she's takes like it's just beaded bracelets, 1:43:51.640 --> 1:43:53.760 but now they're Taylor Swift bracelets, you know what I mean? 1:43:53.800 --> 1:43:56.320 And that's friendship bracelets have been around forever and now 1:43:56.320 --> 1:43:58.280 it's like their tailor's they're arrows bracelets. 1:43:58.560 --> 1:44:00.160 Because now when I just see some of the so 1:44:00.280 --> 1:44:01.760 I'm like, oh, did you go to Taylor Swift? And 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:03.639 it's like, no, they went to That's messed up Live. 1:44:03.720 --> 1:44:07.400 That's what they fucking did. I'm obsessed with. Yeah, we're 1:44:07.560 --> 1:44:09.040 just so lucky you guys. 1:44:09.120 --> 1:44:14.960 Listen. God, this Khaliff Browner things really gonna ruin my day. 1:44:15.000 --> 1:44:17.920 I think, I know. No, I'm glad you brought it up. 1:44:17.920 --> 1:44:19.200 I have to watch this. That's so. 1:44:19.640 --> 1:44:22.800 I remember hearing about the backpack and spending three years. 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:24.080 I didn't realize. 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:27.479 That he like that. 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