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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to battleground Boots on the ground with

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Speaker 1: Selena Zito twenty twenty twos in the books Selena and

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is fast approaching and the field looks

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Speaker 1: like it's taking shape already. You have this piece out

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Speaker 1: in the Washington Examiner. Haley has what it takes to

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Speaker 1: make a go of it, says South Carolina Republican. So Selena,

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Speaker 1: does Nikki Haley have what it takes to run for

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Speaker 1: president and beat the front runner, President Trump?

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Speaker 2: I would argue that I'm not sure President Trump is

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Speaker 2: the front runnering.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am shocked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think there's a

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Speaker 2: front runner. I think that there's a mixed bag that

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Speaker 2: has distantus in it, that has a Nikky Haley in it,

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Speaker 2: and that has Donald Trump in it. And I think

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Speaker 2: it's going to be an interesting, robust process. And sure,

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Speaker 2: that's how it should be. You have to earn the

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Speaker 2: voters trust and earn their confidence, and you're gonna let

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Speaker 2: the voters kick the tires a little bit too. That's

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Speaker 2: what's wonderful about covering a primary in the state of

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Speaker 2: South Carolina. You know, I love Iowa for all of

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Speaker 2: its reasons. The voters are mostly evangelical voters in a

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Speaker 2: Republican caucus, and you know, there's more talk about faith,

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Speaker 2: and there's more talk about freedom of religion, right, and

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Speaker 2: and so that's what sort of makes that that primary

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Speaker 2: special and interesting. Then we go to New Hampshire, right,

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Speaker 2: it's more of a libertarian streak in the party, and

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Speaker 2: so there's a lot more talk about government, the rule

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Speaker 2: and and sort of corporations. So it's a different conversation.

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Speaker 2: But you land in South Carolina and it's everything. It

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Speaker 2: has everything in it. It has you know, in the

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Speaker 2: in the in the Piedmont area, you have the evangelical voters.

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Speaker 2: You have a strong military presence, maybe the largest military

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Speaker 2: of the early primary states. You also have a blue

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Speaker 2: collar component to it. And you also have you know,

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Speaker 2: and within that blue collar component is Hispanic voters. These

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Speaker 2: think there's all lot there. There's also several. There's also

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Speaker 2: several college towns. Even though college towns tend to be

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Speaker 2: more liberal, in South Carolina, they tend to be more conservative,

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Speaker 2: but it's a different kind of conservatism. So I think

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Speaker 2: that to me, out of all the early primary states,

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Speaker 2: South Carolina tends to be sort of the one that

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Speaker 2: has everything, the melting pot. And it also is a

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Speaker 2: large black population. And you saw with the election of

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Speaker 2: both Nikki Haley and Tim Scott that black voters have

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Speaker 2: responded to their type of conservatism, and I think that's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: So back to Nikki Haley. I remember first covering her

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Speaker 2: everyone sort of underestimating her when she was going to

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Speaker 2: and She's just like, yeah, I'm running and I'm gonna win,

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Speaker 2: and everyone's like whatever, you know, But she did and

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Speaker 2: she won big. She was in a field of I

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Speaker 2: think five in twenty ten there were five, and I

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Speaker 2: mean she just missed having to go into a into

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Speaker 2: a runoff. She got like forty nine point nine percent

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Speaker 2: just would never underestimate her. She was the first female

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Speaker 2: think when the issue of the Confederate flag came up

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Speaker 2: at the state Capitol, she handled it forcefully but with grace,

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Speaker 2: which a lot of people don't have have that that

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Speaker 2: you know, I think I think underestimating her is probably

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Speaker 2: but that does mean that she's she's really smart and

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Speaker 2: like Iowa, just like New Hampshire, you have to have

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Speaker 2: and I wouldn't doubt that she had already possessed that

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Speaker 1: That was my next question, Selena. If you're going to

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Speaker 1: have to have a national infrastructure, grassroots infrastructure in many

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Speaker 1: also nationwide. You have to have the fundraising chops to

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Speaker 1: do you think that Nikki Haley has that Yeah in her.

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Speaker 2: In South Carolina? Yeah. I mean you have to remember

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Speaker 2: and and and she wasn't the only one that did this.

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Speaker 2: Jim Scott did this, Glenn Youngkin did this, So Virginia

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Speaker 2: Governor Ron Santis did this, the Florida governor. They went

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Speaker 2: Some of them won, some of them didn't. But that presence,

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Speaker 2: I mean, rock Stantus, it was in western Pennsylvania. That

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Speaker 2: how important that was. Now I will say there has

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Speaker 2: been covering this for a very long time. There's only

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Speaker 2: one person that had zero infrastructure, zero fundraising apparatus, but

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Speaker 2: had the media, and that was Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, listen, you're talking about South Carolina. Me so

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Speaker 1: I have a funny South Carolina story, and I want

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Speaker 1: to so I was. I was campaigning with Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 1: This is before I sort of realized the impact that

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Speaker 1: President Trump would have on the body politics here in

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Speaker 1: this country. I like Marco Rubio back in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: I agree with Nikky Haley on this about the next

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Speaker 1: generation of conservative leaders, young conservative leaders stepping up to

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Speaker 1: That's why I like Marco. And Marco was supposed to

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. He worked his butt off, he had

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Speaker 1: thousands of volunteers. I was down there, watched him campaign.

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Speaker 1: We worked really hard down there, knock thousands of doors

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Speaker 1: we were all surprised by that because we thought he

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Speaker 1: There's like a few iPads and one like seventy year

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Speaker 3: I thought that that was.

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Speaker 1: The moment I said to myself, Okay, I'm missing something here.

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Speaker 1: Clearly every media pon it, who get paid big bucks

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Speaker 1: to look at this stuff and figure it all out,

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Speaker 1: they're missing something too. And that's that's that's why, that's

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Speaker 1: why I just think beating President Trump in twenty four

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Speaker 2: Selena's you're not a change agent six years after you

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Speaker 2: first ran, different story, different dynamic. I think it's an

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Speaker 2: open field. And now if there's seventeen people that run,

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Speaker 2: then Trump will will win a primary. I will tell

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Speaker 2: you when I understood that Trump was going to win,

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Speaker 2: it was in Iowa. Did you go to Iowa at all?

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Speaker 2: So you know, everyone says, oh, you know, Republican voters

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Speaker 2: in Iowa are mostly evangelical. No, they all are, okay,

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Speaker 2: all of them. And when you go to cover a caucus,

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Speaker 2: go to a caucus, it's like going to your local

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Speaker 2: your precinct, within your community. You pretty much know everyone

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Speaker 2: you're related to, at least a half of them. And

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Speaker 2: everyone goes in there and they write down five names

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Speaker 2: of who they support in order that of their support.

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Speaker 2: Because when you do a caucus, you'll say, okay, who's

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Speaker 2: never for John Smith? Stand up or raise your hand,

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Speaker 2: and if John Smith doesn't get half the room, john

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Speaker 2: Smith's done, so then Jane does. Supporters come over and

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Speaker 2: who's your first candidate? Everyone said Ben Carson? Of course,

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Speaker 2: Like why Ben Carson, He's just like us. He shares

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Speaker 2: our values. Second person, who's your second person? Bobby Jindall? Okay,

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Speaker 2: why he's just like us, he shares our values. Third person,

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Speaker 2: Ted Cruz, Well, we don't like him, but he shares

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I'm like Donald Trump, five three time married, playboy,

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Speaker 2: not win the Iowa caucus, but it's over. If this

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Speaker 2: on Twitter, he was EVERYWHEREHEREA think this whatever happen again,

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Speaker 2: this was lightning the bottle in terms of the way

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Speaker 2: Trump's challenge is is that that voters have a tendency.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I should say most Republicans. I would

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Speaker 2: say seventy percent of Republicans loved him. Sixty percent or

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Speaker 2: his personality. And that's his challenge, right, And how do

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Speaker 2: you how do you become a change agent six years

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Speaker 2: after you first ran? That's his challenge. People are always

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Speaker 2: rear view mirror. And there's a nuance here. You can

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Speaker 2: still love Donald Trump. You can still love his policies,

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Speaker 2: but you still can also in addition to those two

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Speaker 1: You know, Selena, I also think that primaries are generally

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Speaker 1: a good thing for a race and for a candidate.

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Speaker 1: It helps you sharpen your message. Little competition's a good thing,

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Speaker 1: you know. Spending some of that primary money that you

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Speaker 1: or direct mail also good.

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Speaker 3: It gets you ready for the big for the big show.

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Speaker 2: into a general election without being beaten up a few times. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I remember having conversations with you

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Speaker 2: when you were running for Congress and you're like, well,

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Speaker 2: what if I get like primary challenge. I'm like, that's

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Speaker 2: not a good thing.

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Speaker 2: No, they're not. And the data in that story, I

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Speaker 1: ten years from I don't know. But we can never

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Speaker 1: let it happen again. And I hope, I hope that

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Speaker 1: school board to ensure it never happens again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I've also seen really interestingly

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Speaker 2: the growth the movement back towards trade schools and trade

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Speaker 2: in high schools. My nephew is at Taylor Alderneys High

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Speaker 2: School in Pittsburgh is taking welding. That's awesome, Blake, that

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Speaker 2: hadn't been in school like since I was there back

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Speaker 2: in the Stone Ages. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I think there are examples, and we jn't in

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Speaker 2: our national media place enough highlight on those examples. But

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Speaker 2: I think the undercurrent of our society is actually normal.

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Speaker 2: It used to be the undercurrent, or it was the darkness.

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Speaker 2: But I think the undercurrent in our society today are

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Speaker 2: the normal people, and we just don't talk about them enough.

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Speaker 1: I agree, Selena, You're the best. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: talk to you next Friday. Thanks so much for joining.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thanks so much for having me. I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take you guys into the Fiesta Ware factory

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Speaker 2: in New Old West, Virginia. It is the last American

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Speaker 2: pottery making company in the entire country.

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Speaker 3: Where else where else are you going to get coverage

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Speaker 3: like this? Where else?

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Speaker 2: There used to be three hundred of them. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: that girl.

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Speaker 1: You're that girl with an unruly yet awesome head of hair.

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Speaker 2: I straightened it today, so I looked like a little

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Speaker 2: more normal this week. So yeah, show this, show this

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Speaker 2: one more. Last week I look like it was like,

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Speaker 2: oh it was the mid you.

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Speaker 3: Selena, you look great. You look great. Talk to talk

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Speaker 3: to you next week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks all right, Bye,