1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't alcome to stephone. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: Never told you productually, I high radio and welcome to 3 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: another edition of a happy Hour. As always, if you 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: choose to do so, please drink responsibly. And yeah, what 5 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: are you sipping on, Samantha. So I'm keeping it simple 6 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: with my vodka Seltzer water that I'm not naming the 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: brand because I don't know if they're a good brand, 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: but I enjoy their drinks. I do know they're like 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: a big corporate type of brand. It is watermelon flavored. 10 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting because it's kind of like a rainy 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: November day here it is, I know, any like light 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: fruity Seltzer feels like it should be summer. But it's 13 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: good for me, especially because it's not exactly happy our 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: time in real time ourselves. So I'm keeping it low key. Yes, yes, uh. 15 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: And as you're listening to this, Um, the midterm elections 16 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: have just happens, and so we are going to be 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: talking about that, but just no, we know, you know, 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: and we're grappling with things. Um, yeah, and we'll be 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: we'll be talking about it, I'm sure for a long time. 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: I am drinking margarita, which I guess is also not 21 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: super weather on point, but stacious and refreshing. And it 22 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: is actually hot my closet because these lights. She gets 23 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: very hot. I do get very hot, and I'm a 24 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: cold natured person, right, yeah, but it's a it's a 25 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: small space. And also, as I've told Samantha, this episode 26 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: is probably gonna get me all riled up, so she's 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: been preparing. I have been preparing, and in fact, this 28 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: outline a little peek behind the scenes. Normally we do 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: a much more structured outline unless it's something super conversational. 30 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: This is something that I have just done bullet points 31 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: randomly for months. Um, so it's just kind of a 32 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: hodgepodge of emotions from me. There's a lot of question 33 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: marks and exclamation points in this outline. There are, and 34 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: I do want to preface this in a multiple multiple ways. Okay, 35 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: So number one, I think we should come back and 36 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: talk about this more in depth. I know not everyone 37 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: will be excited about that, but I will be, and 38 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: sometimes that's all that matters. Two, there's two reasons I 39 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this, which is we are talking 40 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: about my thoughts around toxic masculinity and Mandalorians from Star 41 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: wars Field. I have so many feels we can't even 42 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep this short, but believe me, this 43 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: could be a fifteen hour mini series. So there are 44 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: two reasons this was not my mind. Um. One is 45 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: my mom, my sweet mom, when we were recently hanging out, 46 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: asked me what she thought would be a simple question, 47 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: which is what is a Mandalorian? And thirty minutes later 48 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: she was like, oh really, I was literally going on 49 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: for thirty minutes, Um, because it's complicated. It's complicated. And also, 50 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: when I was recently at Dragon Con, not one but 51 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: two men told me the whole reason they didn't like 52 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: Book of Boba Fette, which I have plenty of issues with, 53 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: but the whole reason they didn't like it was because 54 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: Boba Fette took off his helmet. And this just got 55 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: my brain turning. I got my thoughts, my feminist thoughts 56 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: were going. Samantha. I was like, that's interesting. I also 57 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: have to say I held back from doing the biggest, 58 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: most annoying well actually because is not a Mandalorian. Can 59 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: you imagine if I said that, Oh my god, oh no, 60 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: it would have been very, very terrible. So also to 61 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: preface this, I do love Mandalorians. You can critique things 62 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: you love. I think that that's totally legitimate. But I 63 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: think this this idea of the Mandalorian which if you're 64 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: not clear, and it is confusing, as it took thirty 65 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: minutes for me to even try to explain this to 66 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: my mom. Basically, they are a people, a creed. I've 67 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: mistakenly said race before. They're not a race. They're they're 68 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: like a people or creed. Um. That's where the resinal 69 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: there or basically like the six tenants of being a Mandalorian. Um. 70 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: So anybody can do it if you possess the there's 71 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: a word, there's a Mandalorian word for Bandokar or something. Um. 72 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: But so so anybody could do it. Um. They do 73 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: have a planet Mandalore was destroyed by the Empire, who 74 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: they had worked with. Their armor is like sacred to them. 75 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: Weapons are their religion. As they say, they're very warrior, 76 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: combat type of people. They respect things like that. Um. 77 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: And it is one of those things where, oh gosh, 78 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: I can talk about this for so long. But basically, 79 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: like I do, I see a lot of women, especially 80 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: in fan fiction romanticizing kind of that like strong man 81 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: with the you know under the armor can't be touched. 82 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Is that he's emotionally distant, has a lot of responsibilities, 83 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: a lot of emotions, just ruminating all aside. Yes, that 84 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: kind of brooding uh shell that maybe you can crack 85 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: or maybe he's the one you gotta fix exactly doesn't 86 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: love fixing men. I know, and I you know, I 87 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: have a whole other episode coming out about that. Um, 88 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, it is kind of that idea. And this 89 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: isn't new. We talked about this on this show a lot. 90 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: But I think that the fact that two men told 91 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: me that's what bothered them about Book of Bubba Fett 92 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: really struck me because essentially then it becomes I hadn't 93 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: really considered the idea of here is a character who 94 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: and I'm speaking of the Mandalorian specifically here, um, but 95 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: here's a character who doesn't remove his helmet, who speaks 96 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: in kind of a monotone through a modulator voice modulator, 97 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: doesn't remove his armor. And that is such a like 98 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: physical costuming representation of this idea of like the stowitz 99 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: ism of like no one can know you if you 100 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: have to be strong you have to be no one 101 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: can hurt you like this. And the fact that that's 102 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: what made them mad about that whole show is that 103 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: he showed his face. I find very fascinating. Right to me, 104 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: I need to know, because I was like, is it really, Pascal? 105 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: Is it is it? And then I was like, Okay, 106 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: maybe it is. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I'm 107 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: assuming it's a stand. In the entire time, I think 108 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, And I just like that whole thing 109 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: of that you won't show anybody your face, And then 110 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: you get him with this, you know, super cute little baby, 111 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: and he's starting to show cracks in his shell. Yeah, 112 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: who commits genn A side by the way, Look, don't 113 00:07:54,600 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: get me started all that everybody, And I was like, 114 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: what is happening? Why does no one? Why is everyone 115 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: okay with this? Why is mama like that's okay? I 116 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: gotta love. I love for people who haven't seen this show, 117 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: you're listening like, what are you talking about? Exactly exactly 118 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: And and you know I made this joke before, but 119 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: Patro Pascal, who plays Mandalorian, is playing Joel from the 120 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: last About in the upcoming show, and it's a similar thing, 121 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: and we've talked about that where there's a lot of 122 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of forgiveness we're willing to give, 123 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of ground we're willing to give, and 124 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: a lot of like frankly, fan love we're willing to 125 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: give to this male character who's so stoic, who's wearing 126 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: this mask, like you can't know so strong. What does 127 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: he say in the trailer? He says in the game too, 128 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: like you don't know what lass he is? Like he does, 129 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: she does exactly, she does, she does exactly, And we're 130 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: so like, but he's so sweet though he's been through 131 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: so much, Like we're so ready to really forgive that, 132 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: and especially in this space. I mean, women do it 133 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: in fan fiction. I've seen it, I've read it, I've 134 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: written it, like I get it, but I've also like 135 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: men seem to do it in terms of and I 136 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: don't want to say everybody, but it's like maybe these 137 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: men specifically we're talking about the mask, like they do 138 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: it when they see that character. It's almost like that's 139 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: his positive is that he's you know, emotionally cut off, untouchable, whatever. 140 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: He's so stoic, you can't see his face, but he's 141 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: still being kind to this child who is so innocent 142 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: and heavy quotes like the most innocent thing you can 143 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: think of, look Samantha. If I started talking about pro 144 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: who slash painter Yoda, I don't know what's gonna happen, 145 00:09:51,840 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: but I think we might be canceled. I just feel 146 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: like the way Mandalorians are written, which is a very 147 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: again warrior class, and there are plenty of women who 148 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: are Mandalorians. Don't be wrong, but they have kind of 149 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: a more masculine vibe. I've seen a lot of hypocrisy 150 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: and how they judge people judge Mandalorians versus how they 151 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: judge like anything else anybody else in Star wars Um, 152 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: even if it's the exact Sainct scenario, and it's kind 153 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: of something where I think it's this idea. It's the 154 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: same idea where we're very, very willing to accept violence 155 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: as a form of showing love or compassion or whatever, 156 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: especially this kind of masculine way of of being violent 157 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: and perhaps beings it off. It's just all daddy issues, 158 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: It is all of it. I mean, he's got like 159 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: a trigger loose where you're just trying to set me off. Sorry, 160 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and just like I'm not gonna lie. I 161 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: finished she Hulk last night, and I can come back 162 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: and talk about that. But she was right, she was right. 163 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: She wasn't And I actually did want to bring that 164 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: up because you and I both talked about how I 165 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: was kind of hesitant to say I liked it at 166 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: first because I had heard so many negative things about it. 167 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: So awesome, I don't understand it's it's it's very very fun, 168 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: it's very very new feeling. I feel like it did 169 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of things where I was like, as a woman, 170 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: like yes, yes, yes, and then it definitely has his 171 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: problems and we are going to come back and talk 172 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: about it. But I was afraid to say I liked 173 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: it because I'd heard all these negative things about it. 174 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: I really thought was going to be one of the 175 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: worst shows ever. My expectations were. Lona came in and 176 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: both my partner and I, who he is a critic, 177 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: we're dying laughing throughout and getting all of the jokes 178 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: because it was so too real. It too real. Yes, 179 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't wait till we talked about I. 180 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring it up in this conversation, because 181 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: I do think I have also heard mostly men, but 182 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: some women who feel much more comfortable being more vocal 183 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: about liking something that is masculine coded. And I would 184 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: say that Mandalorian is very masculine coded. And then isn't 185 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: the Mandalorian in itself kind of the beginning of like 186 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: the men who are like, yes, I've been waiting for 187 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: this bounty hunter to be the man who couldn't survive, 188 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: like he didn't survive on the damn movies, barely barely 189 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: survived in the Oh don't give me, oh my God, 190 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: don't get me started on both fit anyway. Yes, no, 191 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I'm talking about, though. That's one of 192 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: the things like I really like the Mandalorian. I think 193 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: it's very enjoyable. But one of the things that never 194 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: really worked for me is I felt like they were 195 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: telegraphing too hard that he's the best, most amazing bounty 196 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: hunter river and I was like, but is he because 197 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: he keeps failing, especially he got back, but it makes 198 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: him an interesting character. There's nothing wrong with that, but 199 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: they were trying too hard to be like, he's this 200 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: Western guy, he's got no feelings he's so tough, like 201 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: they were just trying too hard to tell me who 202 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: he was instead of actually doing the work of showing 203 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: me who he is. And um, I have heard so 204 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: many men who I feel like when they tell me 205 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: why they like the Mandalorian, it's almost become a sort 206 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: of red flag for me, like nothing, you're wrong, which again, 207 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: I love the show. I love the show. I it's 208 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: just when I hear certain praise of it where I'm like, 209 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: I think you might be missing the point, which, as 210 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, is one of my big critiques of New 211 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: Star Wars stuff, and especially how I think people misunderstood, 212 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: mostly men, the end of Return the Jedi. But I'll 213 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: just hear these guys talk about it like, oh, he 214 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: took off his mask. He's that means it's not worth watching, 215 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: Like I don't know that you're upholding the thing that 216 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: you should be upholding, which it sounds like it's very toxic. 217 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: Stoic masculinity doesn't give show any emotions, and when he does, 218 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: he should be so rewarded that he did. Right. Why yeah, 219 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: why are we giving accolades to someone who just finally 220 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: shows that they care so compassion and empathy should be 221 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: awarded if it's minimal, apparently, and if you're hostile and 222 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: abusive before and you change to have one inkling of it, 223 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: then you will now get a crown. Yes, And this 224 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: is not unique to the Mandalorian at all, Like we 225 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: see this all the time. I feel like this is 226 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: in romance all the time, of the woman who wears 227 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: the man down, because it's this level of this conversation 228 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: of women fighting for men to help them to become 229 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: the better man, and that's supposed to be the end 230 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: all instead of them just being good men, right, and 231 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: so heteronormative but very much so. And also like we 232 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: don't have time to talking about this today, but I 233 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: was thinking about that in terms of that means like 234 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: you could translate that to mean we still infantilize women 235 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: because we're putting them in this childish role of you know, 236 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: maybe it's a cute baby Yoda doing it, or maybe 237 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: it's like a young woman who's doing it, Like it's 238 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: very much this innocent character who brings this really stoic, 239 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: traumatized man out of his shell. And as we've talked 240 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: about before, like we have such different standards for women 241 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: in that role, Like if the Mandalorian was a woman, 242 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: there'd be way more judgments about her skills as a parent. Oh, 243 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: she sent him to fix an electric thing or whatever. 244 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: Wasn't there a whole thing with the woman Mantalorian who 245 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: came in and already had her mask off, like her 246 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: being too emotional? Yes? Yes, And I have a whole 247 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: I have a whole thing about like Jedi Vandalorian relationships 248 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: because I feel like Jedi really teachers and they've been 249 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: really feminized and the Mandalorians have been really mascinalized. Yeah, 250 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: but I guess who's still standing neither ones? So that 251 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: that is, I know, truth, truth painful. It's painful. Um. 252 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: There's also an interesting saying that Mandalorians have so gosh, 253 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: I have gone so deep down the rabbit hole. But 254 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: I know, like the mandalorin marriage vowels, okay, and they 255 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: are they were supposed to be married, supposed to be Mandalorians. Yeah, 256 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: oh yeah, Mandalorians are all about like and their according 257 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: rituals are all about combat and proving and like you're 258 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: so worthy. But they they're final phrase in their um 259 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: wedding vowels or we will raise warriors, and then they 260 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: have a saying like, no one judges you by your father, 261 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: only the father you will be, which I find really 262 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: interesting because also they're very hypocrital. They don't do that. 263 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: But again, going back to those daddy issues, I'm kind 264 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: of wondering if the people who like made this mythos 265 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: of the Mandalorians. I've said it before, I've said it 266 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: begin a suspect they might have had some true with 267 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: their parents, and you know, it could just be they 268 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: were trying to do a like a Darth Vader kind 269 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: of thing. But I don't think so. I don't maybe 270 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: I don't think so, though I will say we are 271 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: preparing while I've been preparing episodes on religious trauma outside 272 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: of family drama. Star Wars is a huge religious trauma 273 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: and Mandalorians, especially the Creed that the Mandalorian into jar 274 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: and follows, is very religious trauma that is oof oof um. 275 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: So there is that level of feeling like you know, 276 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: you've been raised in this system that's telling you you 277 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: can't show your face, you can't give your name, you 278 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: can't be your true self, which I think you could 279 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: make an argument about like the patriarchy and that will 280 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: I do it, yes, but not right now. I have 281 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: a note here that is telling me to stop getting 282 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: so mad. That is so funny I wrote it down. 283 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: I think it's because I know, I know, Star Wars 284 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: fans are really passionate and people have really strong opinions 285 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: about these things. I have very strong opinions about these things. 286 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: It often devolves into a Mandalorian versus Jedi thing, and 287 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to do that right here, but oh 288 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: boy could I? Um, I don't think this means by 289 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: any any stretch that Mandalorians deserved what the Empire did 290 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: to them. That was very complicated. We talked about it 291 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: that in our Setine Crees episode kind of some of 292 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: the dynamics they are, and also Sabine Sebtine and Sabine different. Yes, 293 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: so if you if you want to check that out 294 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: for sure, Um, but I guess, like mostly I'm kind 295 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: of perplexed that those dudes said that to me. I 296 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: really was sort of shocked that that was their reason 297 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 1: they it, And like the entire show is that he 298 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: took off his helmet, And then I'm kind of annoyed 299 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: at the free pass we seem to give these you know, 300 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: sort of stoic men who might be nice sometimes compared 301 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: to women or I I don't know. Like again, I 302 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: like this, I really like that. I've written it, I've 303 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: read it, I get it. But we do seem as 304 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: as a society to be like, oh yeah, I love him. 305 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: I know he's kind of a jerk, but we don't 306 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: do that for a lot of other like women or 307 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: things like that. So those are my thoughts. I have 308 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot I could keep. I will revisit this one day, 309 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure. But I didn't get I'm gonna be so tit, Samantha. 310 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so tit the whole time. But yes, 311 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure we will revisit it then. Um. In the meantime, 312 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: thank you for bearing with me and for listening. People 313 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: don't know. Cheers, cheers to you. 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