1 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this episode. Keep it positive, sweetie. 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm Christophine Hazlet, and today I have it with me 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: someone that you guys are I'm sure really familiar with, 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: but did not know that it is my big brother, 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Shabbaz the og you did? You know what I'm saying? 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: Studying nothing much? 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: How you doing to be away from Miami to rainy Atlanta? 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 3: Man, i'ld have came from Greece to get here for you. 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 3: It don't Miami wasn't about nothing. 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: Thank you. 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: I'm saying that's practically walking distance for you. 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. I'm so happy to 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: have you here. 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: I'm glad to be here. Yeah. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: We always start the show with a song or quote, 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: but we actually just said that. One of our favorite 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: sayings is you understand me. And it's all one word. 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 4: All one word, understand me. 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: You understand me, You understand me, You understand me, you 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: understand Oh my gosh, I love you man, for real. 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: I love you too. 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 4: I'm proud of you. 23 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 3: I'm like beyond like proud is an understatement, proud is cliche. 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: Like me, and you talk about this all the time, 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 3: like you said, a lot of people most people unless 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: they're really close and tight with us, don't understand my 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: and your relationship. 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: And from two thousand and seven to now, like. 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: I'm happy, but I'm not surprised because I always you 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 3: know this is I'm not one of those people. 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: Who say, yes, you always knew she could do it. 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 4: We really talked about this seventeen years. 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: We did. 34 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: We just didn't know which which level you were going 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: to reach, whether it's going to be fashion, whether it 36 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: was going to be music. But we just knew, yeah 37 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: that we definitely at that time, Chase was a star. 38 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: I was telling the norr of it. 39 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: My first music name was Chase and you can still 40 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: call me face. 41 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: I still call it Chase face. Put the face on 42 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: the back of Chasing, but now it's just face. This 43 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: is my face, and people be looking at me like 44 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: when I when I do come around, who's face? 45 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 4: Right? 46 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You have been there from the beginning. 47 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven we met. I was still 48 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: living in Washington, DC. You were managing Q Parker from 49 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: one twelve at the time, like doing Romanic Roman traveling 50 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: with him, and I remember. 51 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: Us just hitting it off. 52 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: You just always had this like super dope spirit about 53 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: you and just super one hundred like straight shooter, no 54 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: sugar coating, all funny, like people don't understand you are fun. 55 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 3: Like told me yesterday, I should stand bru No, I'm serious. 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: To some of the stuff that comes out of around. 57 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 3: I'm like, I just be being myself. I know I 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 3: probably freeze up in front of an audience trying to 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: crack jokes because it's not like I'm not trying to 60 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: be fun. 61 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 4: That's what it is. 62 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 3: I don't be trying to be funny, just be just 63 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: come out with funny. 64 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: Sometime but we met and I was in a transitional 65 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: phase in my life where I was leaving Capitol Hill, 66 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: trying to decide what I wanted to do. 67 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: And I remember. 68 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: When I decided to move to Atlanta, you all rallied 69 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: behind me. Was like, Chris, whatever you want to. 70 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: Do, we got you. 71 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 72 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking about when I say that, when I tell 73 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: you guys about the hard time that I had when 74 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: I moved to Atlanta. This man was one of the 75 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: people that had my back when I moved here, of course, 76 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: and I thank you for that. I remember I was 77 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: pursuing music and we went down to Tennessee to do 78 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: something for homecoming, and you all came down. You've been 79 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: to my hometown to house. 80 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been there. They love the family loves you. 81 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: But it's important to remember the people that were there 82 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: when it was just. 83 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: A dream and just a vision, you know. 84 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: And you were one of those people that was definitely 85 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: there and have been by my side ever since. Most 86 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: people know you as Shabbaz the Og. 87 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: You are the author of Flip Your lif Life. You 88 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: are a speaker. 89 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: You are the money team, motivator and entrepreneur. And you 90 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: started your career early in the music business as a 91 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: rapper and radio station intern in high school, and from 92 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: there you propelled into promotions, artist booking, road management and 93 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: ultimately product project manager and consultant, which You've been a 94 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: consultant in my whole life since I've. 95 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: Done I'm everybody consultant. I need a firm. 96 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 4: At this point, I think I need. 97 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: To start a firm. 98 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, put everybody on retainer. 99 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: That's my rule. That is it. The problem is I can't. 100 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: The retainer part is where it gets tricky because everybody 101 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 3: I consult with, I love my family. 102 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: Get that for free, right? Yeah? 103 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: You know you know, but that's that's who I am 104 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: and that's what I do. 105 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: So I know we met and our our connection came 106 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: through music initially. What was it in the beginning that 107 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: brought you to music, because I know you've been in 108 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: the industry for a minute. 109 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: Like it goes all the way back to that internship 110 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: you spoke about, because that was eighteen. Wow, you know 111 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: I wasn't. No. Actually, well, the internship came at seventeen 112 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: because my mom kicked me out the house at eighteen. 113 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: I'll get to that, but I'm just trying to you know, 114 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: how certain things make you remember certain things. So the 115 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 3: internship came before I was eighteen, because eighteen is when 116 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: she said we need you to leave. So seventeen is 117 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: when the internship started. But in high school, probably fifteen 118 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: sixteen is when I started rapping, like I was really 119 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: good at rapping, like I was. 120 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: That's you know, It's funny how life works. 121 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: Because where I am now, I found my purpose. I 122 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3: believe this is exactly you know, what I'm supposed to 123 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: be doing the things that I'm doing now. But at 124 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: that time, back then, you know, I really really really aspired. 125 00:05:55,320 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 4: To be a rapper. In those days in MC and 126 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 4: I was really good. 127 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 3: And what happened is we had a talent show at 128 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: my high school, William Penn High. Me my group, my DJ, 129 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 3: my man Eric Day, DJ Prep, and my man John Hamilton, 130 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: John Doe. We had a group called the Devastating Three. 131 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: I was a rapper, and Lady B, who was a. 132 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: Very big radio personality at Power ninety nine and Philly 133 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: at the time. She was one of the judges at 134 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: the at the at the talent show and afterwards, you know, 135 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: I was just so smitten with her because she was fine. 136 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: I'm talking about who I'm talking about. She had a 137 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: Nate Dragon the floor, super slim, pretty she. I mean, 138 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 3: she had an obsession perfume. You know, back then, obsession 139 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: for women was that thing. You know, she had that 140 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: obsession on listen. I remember, listen, it's nostalgic. I could 141 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: smell it right now. I remember that day like it 142 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: was yesterday. You know. Lady B came in there and 143 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: shut the shut the stage down, and I'll never forget. 144 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: I ran up to her and afterwards and we had 145 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: on the airbrush sweatshirts and she signed my she autographed 146 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: my shirt and I took it right downtown to the 147 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: gallery to the guy who airbrushed our shirts because I 148 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: had on an airbrush shirt. I took it right back. 149 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: His name was Jay. Took it right back to Jay said, y'all, 150 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: I need you to airbrush this autograph because I don't 151 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: need this to come off. And I wish I still 152 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: had that shirt. But that was the beginning of me 153 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: getting in to the realms of entertainment because she brought 154 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: me on as our intern at the radio station. So 155 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: she had a show called street Beat and street Beat 156 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: air every Sunday from twelve to four. So every day 157 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: every Sunday, around three fifty five, the last five minutes, 158 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: she would throw on instrumentals and let her street beat 159 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: them Seeds rap and I was one of them. Just 160 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: go see Prince Little e if another guy flash d 161 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: but a flash was Flasher was in jail at the time, 162 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: so he wasn't there when I was there. 163 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: But those are the street beat them seeds. 164 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: And I used to wrap on the radio every Sunday 165 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: towards the end of her show, and that's how I 166 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: got started. 167 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: Wow, listen, I feel like even for me out of college, 168 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: I got started as an intern. I feel like that's 169 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: always like the gateway to doing what you really. 170 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: Want to do, right that practice, Yes, somebody giving you 171 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: an opportunity to you know, to segue exactly. 172 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: That's so good. 173 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: And then from there, like tell me about all the 174 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: other people that you worked with. 175 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: Because I know you've so so the whole process was 176 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: internship with her. 177 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: And this when I started to meet people. I started 178 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 4: to meet people. 179 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: And then back then, like I was really meeting this 180 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 3: when I started networking. This when I learned how to network. 181 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: I learned how to network from being around so many 182 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: celebrities at a young age, like I was really around 183 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 3: when LL used to get out the limo with the 184 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: radio on his show. Yes he would come to the 185 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: radio station Power ninety nine. LLLL would get out. He 186 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 3: would when he was really walking around with his radio 187 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: because that was his thing, you know, can't live without 188 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: my radio. Run DMC. I met back then, MC Light. 189 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 3: I met back then, like I met a lot of people. 190 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: Jellale from Houdini was one of the was the first 191 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: celebrity phone number I ever got, like live for whudd 192 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That was the first celebrity 193 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 3: phone number I ever got, Like and they just took 194 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: a liking to me because the person I am now 195 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: is the guy that I was back then. So I 196 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 3: never you know, was never to wear out my welcome type. 197 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: It was never too hype like you know, people for 198 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: my benefit gravitated towards me. So after the internship with D, 199 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: I did try to pursue a music career. 200 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: You know. 201 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 3: I did rap for a while with my partner. His 202 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: name was Pro, and we was working with another fully legend, 203 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 3: Schooly D. So we was going we would do shows 204 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: with Schooly opened up for him at times, but at 205 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: the same time I was in the street. 206 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 4: So being in the street kind. 207 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: Of disrupted the path, you know, That's what I'll say. 208 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: On the surface, ultimately an overall it just wasn't in 209 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 3: the cards for me. But if we stay on the surface, 210 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: the streets kind of disrupted it. Because Pro ended up 211 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: going to prison and then it just kind of fizzled 212 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 3: out for me. But then someone who I met during 213 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 3: my internship, because now we're gonna go from seventeen to 214 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: about twenty two, someone who I met during my tenure 215 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: as an intern his name is Troy Shelton. Troy took 216 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: me under his Wing became a mentor and introduced me 217 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: to radio promotions. So I was, you know, every Tuesday, 218 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: everybody in the music industry, you know, Tuesdays is radio Day. 219 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: That's when the radio that's when radio your promoters go 220 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: to the stations and try to get their records added 221 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: and played. And the first project I worked was Floyd Tree, 222 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 3: Oh Wow, and Ron Osley's Body Kiss album when he 223 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 3: first Actually this is around the time when the Johnson 224 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 3: sisters Kim and Candy his wife, royan Osley's wife. They 225 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: had a song out as well at the time called 226 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: ice Cream. So the Floyd Tree, the Johnson Sisters, and 227 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: the Isley's is the first projects that I worked, you know, 228 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: under my mentor, Troy Okay, And from there came radio 229 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: radio promotions. Then my first party promotions came in two 230 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 3: thousand and three out in Milwaukee when we did the 231 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: the Rock to Mike afterparty. You know, I did it 232 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: with Freeway Fab the Young Guns, a Milio Spark like 233 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: that was that was the first. 234 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 4: Big event that I did. 235 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: You know, I was running around with one of my 236 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: guys at the time and he had, you know, put 237 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: me in position to make that happen. And you know 238 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: that was my first real you know, party promotion extent. 239 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 3: And then from there it just you. 240 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 4: Know, those relationships just built, like that's. 241 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: When I met Fat two thousand and three, that's when 242 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: I met Bleak, you know. And now these guys fast forward, 243 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: these are this is family. So a lot of my 244 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: music relationships started from booking them, Like my relationship with 245 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: Trey came from booking them first. So then you know, 246 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: once you start moving around a lot, and again, when 247 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: you know how to move and you know how to 248 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: move in and out of rooms and you conduct yourself 249 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: the right way, you know, people receive you. You know, 250 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: the more people I met, the bigger the network grew. 251 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: And we are here, we are you know, with a 252 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 3: clean face, clean face and a strong name. That's the 253 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: that's the key. 254 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: It is the key. 255 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: That's the real key to move through this business with 256 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: a good name, a clean face. Yeah, you know, everything 257 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: else can come and go, But once your name is 258 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 3: destroyed and your face is dirty, yeah, it's done. 259 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: It's done. That's so good. 260 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Growing up in Philadelphia, I know, I'm friends with Meek 261 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: mil and I've heard the stories of this like and 262 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: I remember you called it Philadelphia. 263 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 4: Now it's Philadelphia, right, Yeah. 264 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: Growing up you talked about getting into the streets, getting 265 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: introll of getting kicked out. What was it like during 266 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: that time growing up and what did you what were 267 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: some of your challenges as a young black man trying 268 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: to grow up in that environment. 269 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: So I was born in Cordell, Georgia, about an hour 270 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: and forty five minutes from here. So my mom went 271 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: to Philly when I was fourteen months. She went back 272 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: to Georgia. We went back to Cordella when I was 273 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 3: in third grade. Then we went back to Philly when 274 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 3: I was in seventh grade. So seventh grade is really 275 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: where I you know, got implemented in Stampton, Philly. Yeah, 276 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: And initially it was it was, it was. It was 277 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 3: very challenging. You know, I'm country boy, you know, country boy, 278 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: you know, manners, nice guy, you know, friendly country accent, 279 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: you know, you know, Southerner. You know, they used to 280 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: call me Virginia because I think a lot of guys 281 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: that's the furthest South they knew about, right, So they 282 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: used to call me Virginia at my middle school till 283 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 3: the middle school in Southwest Philly. And it was a 284 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: little rough. 285 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 4: In the beginning. 286 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: You know, I've been jumped, I've been teased, I've been 287 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: I was beat up, you know, because you know, I 288 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: didn't I wasn't no fighter, like I didn't know, I 289 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: didn't know nothing about. And it was in Philly was 290 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: gang infested at that time. And eighty eighty one, like 291 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: eighty eighty one, right when Ronald Reagan got shot. That's 292 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: when we moved to Philly either, right, I think a 293 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 3: couple of days later he had got shot. So like 294 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 3: around the time Reagan got shot, it was a big 295 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: mob war in Philly, and gangs were really prevalent. So 296 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: when we got to Philly, like it was, it was 297 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: rough for me because it was a different type of transition. Unfortunately, 298 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: those same streets that were mean to me became appealing 299 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: to me, you know, and it turned me into something 300 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: that I wasn't but that I had to learn how. 301 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 4: To be because I was out there. 302 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: You know, to the point where i've you know, I 303 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: had a friend of mine he's deceased now, back in 304 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 3: probably ninety probably ninety probably ninety one, because he got 305 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: killed in ninety two. He said to my mom like 306 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 3: he was from Brooklyn, and he told my mother. He 307 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: was like, I don't know why he's out here with us, 308 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: because he's not like us. You know what I'm saying, 309 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: He's not. 310 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 4: And I wasn't. Like I was so different, like this 311 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 4: is this gun, bud to stay? It's up crazy. 312 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: I was so. 313 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 4: Different that a lot of guys didn't trust me. You're like, 314 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 4: is this name of the police or something? Because I 315 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: wasn't disloyal, you know what I mean. I wasn't shady. 316 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 3: I was accommodating. I was honest, like a little too nice. 317 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: Who if you leave it with me, ain't nothing gonna 318 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: be missing. All the money, all the work, all the bullets, 319 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: and everything gonna be the way you left it. That's 320 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: just what it was, like the word everything. You're not 321 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: gonna be missing a crumble, you understand me. So that 322 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: was different, Like people weren't used to that. They they 323 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: weren't used to that type of loyalty that because you 324 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: know the rules of the street, don't trust nobody, you 325 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: can't turn your back. But I wasn't that kind of 326 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: person by no stretch of the imagination. 327 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 4: So his name was g G. 328 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: Told my mom, she was like, I. 329 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 4: Don't know why he out here with us, you know, 330 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: because he's not he's not like us. 331 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: And I wasn't like this guy he was. He was 332 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: a different type of individual, you know what I mean. 333 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: And what I learned later, what I learned in life 334 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: is people who can't be trusted, can't trust come on now. 335 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: So it was fine to see somebody like that, you 336 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 3: know what I say. What I'm saying, so a lot 337 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: of guys, you know, they just couldn't understand it. But again, 338 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 3: you know, the same streets that would mean to me 339 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 3: became a pelling to me, which you know, which led 340 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 3: to me. You know, eventually my mother asked me to, 341 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 3: you know, leave her house at eighteen because I just 342 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: got to a point where I just was gonna do 343 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: what I wanted to do, you know, And and it 344 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 3: was it was primarily again when we get older, you 345 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: look back at life and you realize why you did 346 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: certain things. My mother's to this day, she still is, 347 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 3: She's been a Jehovah's witnesses. I was five years old. 348 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 4: Wow, So. 349 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: Who I was as an individual? 350 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 4: Right? 351 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: Because we tend to think or you a child, chance 352 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: that I was placed, or you're a child, you ain't 353 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: got no feelings, or you're a child, you ain't got 354 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: no say soul. But the thing about kids, they're just 355 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: smaller sizes of adults. They don't have the same experience. 356 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 3: But their people. They're people with personalities, They're people with feelings, 357 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 3: they're people with ideas, they're people with ambitions. Like these 358 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 3: things rest inside of children and who I was that 359 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: my core didn't correlate. But the Johovah Witness religion, I 360 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 3: don't like girls since I was five, you know what 361 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 3: say I mean? Like I was attracted to my literally 362 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: attracted to one of my mother's girlfriends. When I was 363 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: five six years old, I was attracted to my first 364 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: grade teacher, Ms. Matt with the blind highlights. You know. 365 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 366 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 4: You know these are things I remember, you know. 367 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: But in the johoh Witness religion, you can't have boyfriends 368 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: and girlfriends, you know. 369 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: So how does I know that? 370 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 4: So, Yeah, they don't do the same thing in Islam, 371 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: you don't. 372 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: It's either husband and wife. 373 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 4: Wow, no boyfriends and girlfriends. 374 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: Well I did not know that. 375 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't do that. 376 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 3: So like, so I couldn't uh subvert I want to use, 377 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't fulfill my desires. 378 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: But I wanted to, I couldn't do it. Let me 379 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: get out of this Jehovah's Yeah. 380 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: So I wanted. I wanted to play sports, like I 381 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 3: come from my father's side of the family athletes. 382 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 4: Either because you know, the. 383 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 3: You know, probably now the religion is a little bit 384 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: more lenient, but back then it was like anything that 385 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 3: was outside the scope or the congregation or the affiliation 386 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 3: of the religion was was was deemed bad association. So 387 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 3: anything that wasn't necessary to do, you weren't really allowed 388 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 3: to do. I had to go to school, but I 389 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: didn't I have to be on the basketball team. I 390 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: had to go to school, but I didn't have to 391 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: be on the football team. 392 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 4: You know. So my mother didn't allow me to do 393 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: those things. 394 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: And my father, you know, he used to be upset 395 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 3: because I was a natural athlete. 396 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 4: My father used to be so angry. 397 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: Because he saw it. 398 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: He was an athlete, My uncle David was an athlete, my. 399 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: Brother Scott athlete. I come from a family of athletes 400 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: on my father's side, and he saw it and he 401 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: wanted that for his son so bad. But my mind 402 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: wasn't having it. So at seventeen, you know, the closer. 403 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 4: The older I. 404 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: Got, just the more rebellious I came because I could 405 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 3: no longer contain who I was as an individual, Like 406 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 3: you're you're you're really hindering me. Like I'm a very 407 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: likable guy. You know, I want to dress nice. These girls, 408 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 3: these these these these womans like me, and I like 409 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: these womans. I like these womens. And you're standing in 410 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 3: my way now, And you got a serious roadblocker up here. 411 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 4: And you know I was. 412 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 3: I had that internship with Lady B and I used 413 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 3: to be at the radio station, you know, with her 414 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: and events, and you know, I was just enjoying that. 415 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: And my mom told me, she said, listen, my eighteenth 416 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: birthday was approaching, and she said, if you come in 417 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: this house one more time after twelve o'clock at night, 418 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: you're getting out now, mind you, Joe, Witnesses don't celebrate birthdays, 419 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 3: none of that kind of stuff. Well, not only did 420 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 3: I come in the house after midnight on my eighteenth birthday, 421 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: I came in with a birthday cake. I had a 422 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: birthday cake, sat on the top of the refrigerator, went 423 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: stairs and went to bed. My mom woke me up. 424 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: She said, you thought I was playing. Whoever just brought 425 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: you home? Call him and tell him to come back 426 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: and get you. 427 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: Wow. 428 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: She put me out. 429 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: M yep, eighteen years old? 430 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: Sir? 431 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: Had you graduated from college? From high school? 432 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 4: Then I finished? 433 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: That was my eighteenth birthday, April nineteenth, nineteen eighty six. 434 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 3: I still had two more months of high school. 435 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 2: Wow. 436 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: I finished those last two months at the house where 437 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: I was staying at Wow down North Philly, at my 438 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: man house with him and his dad and his uncle 439 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 3: and his grandmother. Mmmm. Sleeping on the couch. Actually, this 440 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 3: is a couch, A love she. 441 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 4: This is a couch. 442 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 3: Just wasn't I might have enjoyed this. 443 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 4: They might not. They might not have been able to 444 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 4: get rid of me. 445 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: But you know, sleeping ten months with your knees up 446 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 3: like this was uncomfortable. 447 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 4: See, I was. 448 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 3: I was out the house for ten months before my 449 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 3: mom let me come back. 450 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: So at what point you were raised, Dahova? Were you raised? 451 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: Dahovah's witness Ti, I was seventeen, okay, And then when 452 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: did you convert to Muslim? 453 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: I became. I took my shahada when I was twenty two, 454 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty. 455 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: I know Philadelphia is a big Muslim king. 456 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 4: Yes, extremely big a Muslim community. 457 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: Okay, wow, So what made you, I mean, was that 458 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: the reason why you were. 459 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: Interested in Conson? 460 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 3: Not even I had a girlfriend at the time, and 461 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: I was getting money with her brothers, and I was 462 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 3: getting money with her cousins and they were Muslim. So 463 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: they introduced me to Islam. They introduced me to Islam, 464 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: and just over the course of time, the more mature 465 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 3: I got, the more I resonated with islamb my life. 466 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: It was just granted, Islam is a very disciplined religion, 467 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 3: just like being a Jehovah's witness. However, I believe Islam 468 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: just came into my life at the right time because 469 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 3: the things that you shouldn't do as a Jehovah's witness, 470 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 3: you shouldn't do as a Muslim either, you understand me. 471 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 4: But I think. 472 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 3: And me and my mother had these conversations you know 473 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: later in life that you know she wished she would 474 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: have did a few things differently. But I told her, Look, 475 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 3: you don't owe no explanations, no excuses, no apologies, because 476 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: you gave us the best that you had in what 477 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: you knew how to do. With what you had. But 478 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: that being said, I think it's important even when you're 479 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 3: teaching your children religion and have them in religion, I 480 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 3: think it's still important to still identify with your child 481 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: as an individual and don't make it so much about 482 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 3: the religion and religion and religion. 483 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 4: You can't do this. 484 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: You can't because what will happen is that's where the 485 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: rebellion comes in. Because again, in terms of religion and 486 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: practices and conduct and codes of behavior, Jovah's Witnesses, Jovah 487 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 3: Witnesses and Muslims are similar. Like Jovah Witnesses don't celebrate 488 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: any holidays, Muslims don't celebrate any holidays. Johoah's Witnesses don't 489 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: believe in smoking, Muslims don't. Joah Witnesses believe in drinking 490 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: and little alcohol though Muslims Muslims don't. 491 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 4: You know so. 492 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: But in terms of just resonating, it'slime started to resonate. 493 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: I started to resonate with this slam. It's I started 494 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 3: to its lime is what gave me a conscious wow. 495 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because yeah, I can see that that's what happened. 496 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: To sum it all up, Islime is what gave me 497 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 3: a conscious islime established my conscious awareness of how you 498 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 3: treat people, what you should do, what you shouldn't do. 499 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 4: Although you're not perfect, strive for perfection. 500 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: You know, be accountable for your actions, you know, know 501 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 3: wing you've done right, knowing you've done wrong, and always 502 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 3: carry pure intentions even though that's why you know profess 503 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: to be as an individual. Islam amplified that for me. 504 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: Okay, that's what's up. 505 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: At what point in this journey in the streets and 506 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: doing what you're doing, did you end up getting locked 507 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: up to another one point? 508 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: You got jammed up a bit. 509 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: Quite a few bits, not a bit, few bits that 510 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 3: started at twelve what my mother told me, and we'll 511 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 3: get to that in that book when I was seven. Yeah, 512 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 3: that you're gonna learn everything the hard way because you 513 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 3: don't listen. So I was hard headed growing up. And 514 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 3: I was twelve on my way from the dentist, and 515 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 3: my mother used to always tell me about throwing rocks 516 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 3: and playing with fire. So those I don't know what 517 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 3: my infatuation with rocks and fire was, but I was 518 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 3: coming from the dentist when then I was just I 519 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 3: was by myself walking down on woodland, avenue, and I 520 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 3: was throwing the rock in the air, walked throwing up, 521 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 3: catching it. Innocent, so I thought. But the higher I 522 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: threw it and caught it, the higher I threw it again. 523 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: You know, you tested myself. Well. 524 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: One time the rock got away from me, came down. 525 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: Here the windshield of a moving car and it was 526 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 3: an off duty cop. White dude. He jumped out, pissed, 527 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: gave me the business, threw me against the gate, called 528 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 3: the paddy wagon and they locked me up. 529 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 2: So, yes, okay, because that's what. 530 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, So the paddy wagon for those that 531 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 3: don't know, whe's the van. 532 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, the paddy wagon. The patty wagon is the police 533 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 4: the actual van that they put you in the back of. 534 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 4: So we called that the paddy wagon. 535 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 3: And so they put me in the patty wagon and 536 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: uh and took me to the precinct. And I never forget. 537 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: My mother was getting ready to go to one of 538 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: her meetings. You know, yes, you get when they called 539 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 3: her between the meetings. Now you know you listen, she 540 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 3: didn't come. There is no coming in between of the meetings. 541 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 3: She told him, she told him I have something to do, 542 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 3: I'll be there. Afterwards, she left me there. 543 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 4: Until she went to the kingdom. 544 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, she left me. 545 00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 4: There until after her. 546 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: And when they and when she came, she didn't let 547 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 3: him open the door. She didn't let him open the gate. 548 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: I was in the cell. She did not let him 549 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 3: open the cell. Immediately she stood on the other side 550 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 3: of the cell, and she said, what I tell you 551 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: about throwing rocks. 552 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: You got to say that, because what I tell you? 553 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 4: What I tell you about throwing rocks? Like, she didn't 554 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 4: care that I was locked up. 555 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: She didn't like my mother came. 556 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: And that's why I'm the way I am to this day. 557 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 4: People don't People don't. 558 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 3: Really understand the meaning of standing on business, Like that's 559 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: just a cool new word for a lot of people. 560 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 3: I stand on the business that I stand on because 561 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 3: that's how my mother was. If my mother said, don't 562 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 3: leave his house and you go outside and get hit 563 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 3: by a car and get your leg broke by a 564 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: drunk driver, she's gonna be mad at the drunk driver later. 565 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: Don't even worry about him. What did he get from 566 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 3: being drunk? Oh? 567 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 4: Okay, well, y'all handle that. 568 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 3: You What did I tell you before I left this house? 569 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 4: If you didn't go outside your leg wouldn't be broken. 570 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: I don't care about that man being drunk. 571 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 4: I care about you not doing what I told you 572 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 4: to do. 573 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: Every action has a reaction when you don't listen. And 574 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: I learned that the hard way, And that was the 575 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 3: beginning of me going to prison because I had so 576 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: I switched infatuations. I went from rocks and fired the guns, 577 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 3: and I just I had a thing for gun. Well, 578 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: I take that back, because before rocks and fire, guns 579 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 3: was my first love. But at five, when my mother 580 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: became a Johova's witness, I used to have this gun set. 581 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 3: I had the pants, the chaps that go over your pants, 582 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 3: have some green ones. 583 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 4: I had a vests, a hat. 584 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: And two six shooters. That was my everyday outfit after 585 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: I came home from kindergarten. 586 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 4: So I come home one day ready to suit up 587 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: my materials. There's nowhere to be found. 588 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: Five years old? 589 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 3: Where is Yeah? 590 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 4: I'm maybe it's. 591 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 3: So. My mother say, so, I inquired, you know about 592 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 3: my items? She told me it's in the trash. 593 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: What you mean in the trash? 594 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: Ma, right? What do you mean in the trash? Why? 595 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: She says, Jehovah don't like guns. First of all, who 596 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: is Jehovah? That's the first thing. Second thing, what does 597 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: he have against my guns and my outfit? 598 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 4: What do you mean? 599 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: It's in the trash, and so I go and get 600 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: it out the trash. She puts it back in the trash. 601 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: And this is my introduction. That's probably why I didn't 602 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: like being a j Ohld witness because it didn't start right. 603 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: We got off to a bad start, took my guns. 604 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the whole nne, with the whole situation 605 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 3: in the trash because she done went off and started 606 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: studying the Bible, which I never forget Sister Jordan, as 607 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: y'all can say, I got a very good memory about 608 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: my paston Mister Jordan then wrote my mom into this 609 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 3: new belief and it's affecting me tremendously. 610 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. 611 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 4: Wasn't feeling it. 612 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know that's wet to a bad start. Yeah. 613 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: And so fast forward. You know, I when I was 614 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: probably this is probably ninety one ninety one is when 615 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 3: I when I could reconvened with the guns. But day 616 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 3: was real ones this time, Yeah, and I was getting 617 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 3: caught and it was the craziest thing. Because I was 618 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 3: unlucky with him, you know, But I just kept carrying them. 619 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: So I got locked up with a gun going to court. 620 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 3: While I'm out on Bell going to court for that gun, 621 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 3: I get locked up with another one. So I'm going 622 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: to court for two guns. Then I get locked up 623 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: with a third one, and I'm going to court for 624 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: three guns at one time, three open gun cases. I 625 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 3: had a really good lawyer, though, Jeryl Stein, gerl Stein 626 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 3: and Fred Perry, they you know, was able to get 627 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 3: the gun charges all consolidated the one charge and I 628 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: got probation. Cool got probation. 629 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 4: That was in ninety one. 630 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 3: Two. Right fast forward to ninety six. I get locked 631 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: up again with another gun, but this time I'm in Jersey. 632 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 3: Now I'd done the Philly probation and all of that, 633 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: but I got locked up in Jersey in Camden, and 634 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 3: when they saw my jacket from Pennsylvania, they ain't play 635 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 3: with me. They gave me three years off the rip. 636 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 3: It was like, you not even ready come over Philadelphia, 637 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: gave you probation and you had three guns that now 638 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 3: we're not even really start playing with it. Yeah, so 639 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 3: they gave me Jersey gave me three years and I 640 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 3: went to prison. 641 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: Wow, what was that like? 642 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 4: Awful? 643 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, because we see on TV, but we 644 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: don't know what it's like to really be in there. 645 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 4: Na, it's you know what it is. 646 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 3: And what I learned. I learned quickly that it's not 647 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 3: necessarily the amount of time that you do, it's the 648 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 3: conditions that you have to succumb to and be faced 649 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 3: with and deal with. So, you know, they gave me 650 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: three years, but I did fourteen months in sixteen months 651 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 3: on intense super supervised parole and. 652 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 4: You know, finished it all. 653 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 3: But the conditions like being in fourteen months, being in 654 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 3: six different facilities, wow, you know, just you know, from 655 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 3: this place to that place, and then falling under a 656 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 3: federal investigation. Then being you can't be in I was 657 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 3: in a minimum security camp. You can't be in the communitis. 658 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 3: You can't be in a minimum security facility if you 659 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: have an open investigation. So they have to take you 660 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: out of there and take me to the to the 661 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: to the main prison. The main prison, which was East 662 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 3: Jersey State Prison System at Railway, was the like the 663 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 3: control center for all the smaller camps and other jails 664 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 3: in the surrounding area. But because I wasn't sentenced to 665 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: that jail, they didn't have no way to house me, 666 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 3: so they had to put me in the hole what 667 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 3: I mean, the whole for two months, Oh, I mean 668 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: the whole for two months while they while the FEDS 669 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 3: do this investigation, you know. 670 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 4: So it's like. 671 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 3: It's just the conditions that, you know, what I had 672 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 3: to endure in those fourteen months was enough. 673 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 4: It was enough to make me know, like just just 674 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 4: saying it not for me, you know. 675 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 3: And again, you know, it's hard to break old habits. 676 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: So when I did come home from prison eventually at 677 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 3: some point in time, you know, jump back outside again. 678 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 4: Right after. 679 00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 3: But right when you met me is really when I 680 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: came off the tail end, because it just you may 681 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 3: mean seven So January six, January sixth, I got locked up. 682 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 3: I got locked up. I got caught in the middle 683 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 3: of a h it was under surveillance, didn't know it, 684 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 3: got caught in the middle of her you know, transaction. 685 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 3: And what wound up happening is the cops never came 686 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 3: to court. They took money from it. They took money, 687 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 3: but they stole some. They didn't put all the money 688 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 3: on the property receipt so the money that they stole, 689 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 3: they didn't record it on the on the property, and 690 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 3: then they never came to court. So I ended up 691 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 3: beating that case. And that was two thousand and six. 692 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 3: That was my last time in handcuffs. No no, no, 693 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 3: no no, because that I would have really been disappointed 694 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 3: in myself had I went to prison for that, because 695 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: I would they did a significant amount of time. 696 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 4: One two would have been like damn, Like, you know you. 697 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: Don't like jail, right, why do you keep doing this? 698 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: Right? 699 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 3: You know you don't like this. Yeah, you know you 700 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 3: don't like jail, So like why is you playing? Yeah? 701 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 3: So you know, I just I just decided that I 702 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 3: was just going, you know, do what it took, but 703 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 3: do other things that it took. Like I just wasn't 704 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 3: gonna keep playing with these people, man, because they will 705 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 3: give you a thousand years. Yeah, no, with no blinking 706 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah they will. I was talking a Whilow the other day. 707 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 3: Man Whilow was talking and you know, he was talking 708 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 3: about the younger and it's like like I told Low, 709 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 3: like we got to remind them that Wallow didn't do 710 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 3: the last twenty years. They still got another twenty tough 711 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 3: the way, if you need twenty, they got twenty for you. 712 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 4: He didn't do Wallow didn't do the last twenty. 713 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 3: Years in prison system. They got twenty for you. They 714 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 3: got twenty for you. You need twenty, they got twenty 715 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 3: for you. They got some twenties to go, you know 716 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 3: what I mean. And they don't mind giving them to 717 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 3: you with a ribbon. 718 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 4: On it, right. 719 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, being as you've been incarstrated, do you 720 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: do anything with people that like youth that are locked 721 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: up or yeah? 722 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 3: The most recent was was it August my last my 723 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 3: last prison? No? Actually no, my most recent was in Quincy, Florida, 724 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 3: right outside of Tallahasseee. I went to the UH to 725 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 3: the to the county jail there where there were a 726 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 3: lot of guys. Some guys are doing county time, but 727 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: a lot of guys have violent crimes and they were 728 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 3: waiting to be sentenced to Center Stick. And that was 729 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 3: an extremely, extremely good visit in the sense of I 730 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 3: was able to resonate with the guys, you know, despite 731 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 3: their circumstances, and the administration really liked the visit because 732 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 3: I just have a way with interaction, and I have 733 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 3: a way with words, and I have a way with 734 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 3: communicating with people to make everybody feel like they matter 735 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 3: despite the circumstances. And one of the women who were there, 736 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 3: and when she spoke to me afterwards, she said, you know, 737 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 3: a lot of people have come through these doors, but 738 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 3: I've never seen anybody hold their attention like that, you know. 739 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 3: And I was told that back in twenty seventeen when 740 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 3: I went to a view facility in Saint Louis. 741 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 4: It was like, Yo, you really are good at this, 742 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 4: Like you really. 743 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 3: Know how to keep their attention and talk because it 744 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 3: and it's because I'm not stuffy, I'm not preachy. You know. 745 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 3: I might go in there a dress just like this, 746 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 3: shoes untied, you know, because I just want to be 747 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 3: relatable but effective. And I'm talking too and not act. 748 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 3: So when I go to these like even when I 749 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 3: was in Quincy, they had me do a community event 750 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 3: after I left the prison. And you know, one of 751 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 3: the most illest things that ever happened since I've been 752 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 3: speaking is a nine year old girl came up to 753 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 3: me after we was finished, and she cried in my 754 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 3: aunt nine and said, everything you said to me, everything 755 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 3: you said today, changed my whole life. I'm like nine. 756 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 3: You don't even have a whole life. 757 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 2: Yet, right, you got a nine year old life. Imagine 758 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: what she's been through. 759 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 4: That's what. 760 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 3: But that's what. 761 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 4: That's what, that's what. 762 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 3: That's what resonated with me so much. Imagine what this 763 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 3: girl has gone through to be nine years old and 764 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 3: cry and tell me that what I said changed her life. 765 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 4: So those are the things that's important to me. 766 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 3: So yes, I do go to these facilities, from youth 767 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 3: to adults, from elementary school to universities. I was spoken 768 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 3: at to second graders and I was spoken at Kennesaw 769 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,439 Speaker 3: State more House twice. You know I you know that's 770 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 3: my range. 771 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 2: Amazing. I love that. 772 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: So the world knows you as Shabaz the O g Right, 773 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: you have taken your social media platform to spread positivity. 774 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: You talk about current events and give your opinion on them. 775 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 2: What brought that about? 776 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: At what moment did you realize, Hey, I've got a following, 777 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: I have a voice as well. 778 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 3: Oh back to y'all. Good friend Meek mel. 779 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 4: Robert you know what I'm. 780 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 3: Saying, mister Williams. Yeah, Meek was the first person to 781 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 3: repost one of my videos. Wow, me is Meek is 782 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 3: my first repost. He it was May, I never forget 783 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 3: was May twenty sixteen, and the video was about male groupies. 784 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 3: And you know when we started to witness this new 785 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 3: phenomenon of the guys wanted to be in. 786 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 4: The pictures in the VIP section more than. 787 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 2: The girls pushing them off the casts. 788 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 4: That's what the but that's what the video was. 789 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 3: Video was about y'all are coming in the v I 790 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 3: P section, pushing the girls out the way so y'all 791 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 3: can sneak selfies and stand next to rappers and ball 792 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: player and and and and I said, I remember it 793 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 3: was like the ch child. 794 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 4: We need y'all to woo to the left, slide to 795 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 4: the right. Let these girls get in here in this 796 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 4: vt P section. Man get out the way. 797 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 3: So at that time, what I was doing, in the 798 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 3: way I was doing it was different and refreshing because 799 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 3: it was like it was coming from a street dude, 800 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 3: and it. 801 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 4: Was being delivered exactly the way it was happening. So 802 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 4: Meek was the. 803 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 3: First person to repost, and he reposted a few more times, 804 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 3: and then my man Mike Gardner, I think he reached 805 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 3: out the baller alert shout out to my homie Robin 806 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,399 Speaker 3: and he had I think he reached out the ball 807 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 3: alert for them to repost something that he resonated with 808 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 3: and it just kept catching. 809 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 4: It just kept catching. 810 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 3: But what happened is in terms of the place of 811 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 3: responsibility and progressiveness, I started to realize that it was 812 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 3: a place of advice and to be responsible. In the beginning, 813 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 3: it was like I was standing on the corner of 814 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 3: fifty second in park Side. That's how my mouth was. 815 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 3: But then I started getting women in my DM asking 816 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 3: advice men about their relationships. 817 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 4: And I remember a seventeen year old kid. 818 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 3: From Illinois reached out to me and my DM and 819 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 3: said that he didn't have a big brother, he didn't 820 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 3: have a dad, but he watches my Instagram every day 821 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 3: and all the advice that he can get, he gets 822 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 3: it from me. And that's when it started to change. 823 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 3: And then one day I called Q. I called Q 824 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 3: and I was like, Yo, I think I found my purpose. 825 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 3: He said, what you mean, I said, dog, this Instagram thing? 826 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,399 Speaker 3: I said this. I said, it's feeling different. I said, 827 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 3: too many people reaching out to me telling me what 828 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 3: I'm doing mean something to them. I said, I said, 829 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 3: this ain't no getting I'm on in something and he 830 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 3: was like, bads, he said. 831 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 4: Do you understand how powerful what you just said is. 832 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if I were that. I'm just telling 833 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 3: you what I'm noticing. 834 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 4: And he said, A bad people. 835 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 3: Go their whole life and don't discover their purpose and 836 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 3: why they're here. 837 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 4: Like a lot of people don't know what they're here for. 838 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay. 839 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 3: It didn't sink in then, But as time went on, 840 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 3: and the more people who reached out, the more people 841 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 3: who ask for advice, the more people people who saw 842 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 3: me in the streets, saw me in the airport, can 843 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 3: I take I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on 844 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 3: around with this Instagram? 845 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 4: This is I'm getting treated like a rapper outside. 846 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 3: You know. But but it just goes to show the 847 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 3: power of technology because it's people as far as Nigeria, England. 848 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 3: There's people everywhere that follow my page and they DM me. 849 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,280 Speaker 3: And see the thing about it is I DM everybody back, everybody, 850 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 3: everybody like they know I respond to everything like that's 851 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 3: my job. 852 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 4: I'm a M Yeah, that's what did you do for? 853 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 4: I respond to d M? You know, I respond to DM. 854 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 3: And so it just it continued and The more it 855 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 3: went that way, the more I realized I could still 856 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 3: be be I could still be raw, I could still 857 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 3: be uncut. But I don't have to be abrasive. I 858 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 3: don't have to be vulgar. I don't have to use, 859 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 3: you know, profanity in the sense of, you know, just 860 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 3: vulgar and vile words. 861 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 4: You know. 862 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 3: I had to learn that part, but I'm glad I 863 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 3: learned it myself. 864 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 4: No one ever had to say to me, Hey. 865 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 3: You know you don't but once you turn it down 866 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 3: a little. I discovered that on my own. I trained 867 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 3: myself to say, like, nah, you know, stop using that 868 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 3: words so much. Definitely kind of abandoned the B word, 869 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:33,879 Speaker 3: like that's really not that's really not a good one, 870 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 3: you know. So you know, yeah to the right, you 871 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 3: know what I mean? And so and then Instagram Live. 872 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 3: I went live every single thing at eight o'clock for 873 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,920 Speaker 3: about three years. Every night. 874 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 4: It was like a TV show. Yeah, it was, you 875 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 4: know what I mean. 876 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 3: So you know, these are the things that, you know 877 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 3: that brought us to where we are now. I mean, 878 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 3: now I'm shadow band because I talked to real Oh 879 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 3: now he's you know, he's leading to people a little 880 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 3: too much now he's a little too influential, you know, 881 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 3: and unfortunately that's where we are now. Like the more 882 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,479 Speaker 3: positive you are, the kind of less you're being seen 883 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 3: depending on you know, you know what your algorithm is 884 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 3: looking like. It's the rhythm they're giving you. No rhythm. 885 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 4: I didn't want you to have no rhythm now, you know. 886 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 3: But I'm past, I'm beyond how many followers I'm beyond, 887 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 3: you know, a blue check because it's too late. The 888 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 3: people know now, the people know. You know, I'm outside, 889 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 3: you know, I'm on platforms, I'm on couches, I'm being guessed, 890 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,399 Speaker 3: you know, making guest appearances, and so the word is out. 891 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 4: You know, they're daylight in the dollars short. 892 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 3: You know, I've been at two hundred and eight thousand 893 00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 3: followers for eight months. 894 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 2: Oh wow, you are lying. 895 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 4: That's serious, that the algorithm I've been at. 896 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 3: No, I've been at two hundred and eight thousand followers 897 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 3: since August. 898 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 4: So what's August? 899 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 3: From August to now? I haven't many months. 900 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 901 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, my followers have not moved. Oh yeah, you know, 902 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 3: but he again, I'm hearing that. Hey, what's this right? 903 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 3: You know what I mean we'll get We'll get a 904 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 3: few off with this. 905 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: Sure, yes you will, because my people they definitely support 906 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: some want to talk about something a little personal. 907 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 2: How we have you helped me through my journey? 908 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 4: Because please get to the real thing now speed dow. 909 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:42,320 Speaker 2: Listen. 910 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,360 Speaker 1: You say so many people d m you for advice 911 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: and relationship advice. Yes, since I have known you and 912 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: we've grown close, you are the one that I call 913 00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: to this day about anything, and you always he anything anything. 914 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 3: There's two people, you and Lannie. Yeah, yes, you and Lannie. 915 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 3: They I have to remind y'all. I am me, I'm 916 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 3: a I'm brother. I don't want to know everything. Stop 917 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 3: talking to me like one of the girls, like goodness, gracious, 918 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 3: spare me something. I get it all, Like yeah, carry on, carry. 919 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 2: On, okay. 920 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: So there has been times where I have been like 921 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,799 Speaker 1: angry and I can call you and you'll either talk 922 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: me off for ledge or be like what I need 923 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: to do? 924 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you're likely to two solutions and that's what 925 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 3: do I need to do? 926 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,880 Speaker 4: Or how can I reroute your emotions exactly? 927 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,200 Speaker 2: And I love you for that. 928 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,240 Speaker 1: So I said, I want to talk about your book 929 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: Flip Your Life. 930 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so had to do that. To do that, 931 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 4: the book and flip. 932 00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,279 Speaker 1: Had to do the book and the flip, and they 933 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: did the book. 934 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. 935 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,760 Speaker 4: If I didn't flip the book, couldn't the cane. 936 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what problem did you say? Hey, I need 937 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 2: to write a. 938 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 3: Book, Believe it or not. The book idea started when 939 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,280 Speaker 3: I was locked up. So the book I did started 940 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety eight. Wow, in jail board prison, actually 941 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 3: in prison, bored. 942 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,720 Speaker 4: I took the yellow notepad, started writing. 943 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 3: That got old quick, Yeah, didn't complete it, moved on 944 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 3: to something else. Fast forward to twenty seventeen eighteen. The 945 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 3: idea revisited me because I felt like, now it's toime. 946 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 3: I got a lot under my belt. Now I've done 947 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 3: a lot, seen a lot, been through a lot, and 948 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 3: now now now there's a story to tell. 949 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 950 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 4: If I would have did it in ninety it would 951 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:00,879 Speaker 4: have been. 952 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 3: A bunch of glorified street shit. And I didn't want that, 953 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 3: which is what I did not do. So what I 954 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,880 Speaker 3: did the foundation of the book is based on what 955 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 3: my mother said about being hard headed. You're gonna learned 956 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 3: everything the hard way because you don't listen. So the 957 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:25,759 Speaker 3: book is compiled of situations and the outcomes of me 958 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,799 Speaker 3: not listening from her to me not listening to my 959 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 3: friends that told me stop carrying those guns. 960 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:34,760 Speaker 4: The book. 961 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 3: The book came at a time where I felt like 962 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 3: I had enough experience and the social media was really 963 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,840 Speaker 3: bubbling and starting to really bubble. But I realized that 964 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,240 Speaker 3: a lot of people didn't know where I came from. 965 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,399 Speaker 3: They were like, who is this guy? He just fell 966 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 3: out the sky with all this game? He talking right? 967 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 3: And why do I all these celebrities knowing he's not 968 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 3: a rapper, he's not a singer. We don't know him, 969 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 3: but we don't know him. 970 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,760 Speaker 4: But it seemed like everybody else knowing what are we missing? 971 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,760 Speaker 4: So what I did with the book. 972 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 3: The book again, there is a compilation of my experiences 973 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,840 Speaker 3: from not listening to some of the things that I 974 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 3: talk about on social media, how to interact with the police, 975 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 3: the importance of duality with co parenting and being respectful 976 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,399 Speaker 3: even when the relationship is over, and accepting that your 977 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 3: child's father or your child's mother has someone new in 978 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 3: their life that's going to be around your child, and 979 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 3: how you should conduct yourself like all of that's in 980 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,399 Speaker 3: the book, so it gave people a bird's eye view 981 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 3: of Okay, this is who he is, this is where 982 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,720 Speaker 3: he comes from, and this is why what he says 983 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,240 Speaker 3: resonates so much because it's really authentic. He didn't google 984 00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 3: this stuff. 985 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 4: He'd be telling me he really lived this that. I 986 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 4: love it. 987 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 2: Make sure you guys get the book. Please, please get 988 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 2: the book, please. 989 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 3: Because you'll know. I'll go back in the streets. 990 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 4: No I won't. 991 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 3: We don't. No, I won't, but I do want you 992 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:11,839 Speaker 3: all to get that book. 993 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 4: Yes, play these bills. 994 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 2: I know that's right. Brother. I appreciate you for sure. 995 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,279 Speaker 3: I mean, this is, this is, this is, this is 996 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,719 Speaker 3: I'm happy about this me too, just not just me 997 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 3: being here. I'm just happy about this. Thank you. 998 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 4: This this is so cool, man. 999 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 1000 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's super cool. 1001 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 2: Thank you. 1002 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,239 Speaker 1: Right now, we're gonna do my favorite part of the show. 1003 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: It's called Positive Outcomes, where the listeners write in and 1004 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,319 Speaker 1: we give them advice. So I'm gonna read a letter 1005 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,760 Speaker 1: from one of our listeners and I'm gonna. 1006 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,360 Speaker 2: Lets you give advice. 1007 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,080 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I like that. 1008 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,720 Speaker 2: It says high Crystal. 1009 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 1: I wasn't raising the church the same way I hear 1010 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: others speak about their experiences. Even still, I always knew God, 1011 00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: and most of my life I've only had God to 1012 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 1: depend In my younger years, God was all I needed. 1013 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,360 Speaker 1: But as I grow older, I feel like my faith 1014 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,000 Speaker 1: is decreasing in ways that I have never struggled before. 1015 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm twenty five. 1016 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: Years old and I've been on my own since the 1017 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 1: age of seventeen. God continues to sustain me and provide 1018 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,120 Speaker 1: for me, but I'm lacking some key pieces loving parents, 1019 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:23,359 Speaker 1: a community, a college education, financial literacy, etc. Last year, 1020 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 1: I was blessed with most of my prayers being answered, 1021 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: while losing everything I already had. Starting over was a 1022 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: very humbling experience. I expected twenty five to be a 1023 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,600 Speaker 1: great year, if not my best year, and I often 1024 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 1: wonder if it was something I. 1025 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 2: Did that caused this on me. 1026 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: I love God with all my heart and it breaks 1027 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 1: my heart that I feel this way. However, I know 1028 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,760 Speaker 1: God has me because only He can sustain a person 1029 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 1: that lacks all these things, and considering my upbringing, I'm 1030 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,800 Speaker 1: doing well for myself. How do you find the hustle 1031 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,799 Speaker 1: within your pain? What does the balance between knowing your 1032 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: blessed but also suffering. Look like, I look at you 1033 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,120 Speaker 1: and I'm fire because I know it's not easy. I 1034 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: need to get back on my feet, and I truly 1035 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: believe that I need to work harder and release myself 1036 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,919 Speaker 1: from the victim mindset. But I just don't know how 1037 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 1: or where to start. Please help, Okay, let's see. 1038 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,800 Speaker 3: You know what I noticed when a lot of people 1039 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 3: ask for advice, and this young lady included a lot 1040 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,720 Speaker 3: of people don't realize they answer their own question. 1041 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,279 Speaker 2: That's crazy. 1042 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: Tyler said the same thing when he was like, read 1043 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: it bag, and he was like, she answered her own 1044 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,400 Speaker 1: question and the question. 1045 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 3: Oh wow, TP. So what that means is, you know, man, 1046 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,239 Speaker 3: you need to get together, have an executive sit down, 1047 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 3: because that means we think alike, which means I should 1048 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,439 Speaker 3: be on that type of paper wave that you want 1049 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,600 Speaker 3: my money, my money running low, So we'll talk soon, 1050 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 3: p G. 1051 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,919 Speaker 4: But no, she answered her own question because she has 1052 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 4: the faith. 1053 00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:02,520 Speaker 3: She has the faith, she understands who in control, She understands, 1054 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 3: she has that understanding. 1055 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,719 Speaker 4: What she has to do is stay acclimated to. 1056 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 3: The patience and the belief, the belief of what she 1057 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 3: knows to be true, right, meaning she believes in God. 1058 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 3: She knows that God is in control, so she has 1059 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 3: to be patient. But what I like to tell people, 1060 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,400 Speaker 3: be patient, but be patient in motion. Don't be patient 1061 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 3: and stagnant. Don't be patient and still be patient, but 1062 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:39,560 Speaker 3: still have movement. Because what she's going through is, in 1063 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:48,160 Speaker 3: my opinion, she's not looking inside herself and being. 1064 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,320 Speaker 4: Okay with what her success may be. 1065 00:55:52,719 --> 00:56:00,000 Speaker 3: I tell people, don't reject your reality chasing what may. 1066 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,440 Speaker 4: Be be someone else's fantasy. 1067 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 3: A lot of people look at other people's lives and 1068 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,879 Speaker 3: they minimize their own. She said. 1069 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,399 Speaker 4: She named a couple of different spots in there where 1070 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 4: she's blessed. 1071 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,640 Speaker 3: So sometimes, and this is very important for people to understand, face. 1072 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,680 Speaker 4: Sometimes our success. 1073 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,479 Speaker 3: Is we are able to pay the bills. We did 1074 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 3: wake up today. We're not running from bill collectors. We 1075 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,759 Speaker 3: are in good health. Our family structure is okay. Now 1076 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,319 Speaker 3: I understand there were spots where she had a better relationship, 1077 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,120 Speaker 3: you know, loving parent in a community, but she has 1078 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:55,280 Speaker 3: to understand those are people. Parents are people, and sometimes 1079 00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,920 Speaker 3: you know, blood makes you related, lawyer makes you family. 1080 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:06,120 Speaker 3: And unfortunately sometimes people have these issues you know, with 1081 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 3: their parents, with their siblings. And I will never tell 1082 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,719 Speaker 3: anybody to several tides with kith and kin. However, I 1083 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,200 Speaker 3: will say that when people, whether you are family members 1084 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,520 Speaker 3: or not, when they make your life difficult, you have 1085 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 3: a right. 1086 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 4: To not intertwine yourself in negativity. 1087 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 3: So whatever you have to do to preserve yourself, especially 1088 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:36,120 Speaker 3: when it comes to parents, respectfully, you still have a 1089 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 3: duty to be respectful. Even if you had the worse 1090 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 3: parents in the world, and you have to and if 1091 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 3: you have to respect them by staying away from them, 1092 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 3: do that. But what I believe this young lady should 1093 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 3: do is identify all her pluses. Let's put our minuses 1094 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 3: to the side. Look at all your pluses, compare them 1095 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,360 Speaker 3: to your minuses. I guarantee you the the minuses will 1096 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 3: be something that somebody else has that she thinks she 1097 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 3: should have. Always, nine times out of ten, the minuses 1098 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 3: I don't have this over there, and I think I should. Meanwhile, 1099 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,240 Speaker 3: I could find a multitude of people. You can take 1100 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,760 Speaker 3: her life exactly as it is right now, and they'll 1101 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,920 Speaker 3: think they live in like the persons of whales. 1102 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 2: No, it's so crazy, because a lot like you can. 1103 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,680 Speaker 1: My mom used to always tell me it's somebody out 1104 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 1: there that is doing much. You think you're having a 1105 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,920 Speaker 1: bad day, Honey, somebody wishes. 1106 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,520 Speaker 3: Let me say this, and I'm gonna sit up a 1107 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:45,520 Speaker 3: little bit because this is very important. It's like what 1108 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:52,520 Speaker 3: you just said, did somebody else that's going through much more. 1109 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 3: But here's what a lot of people will do face 1110 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,880 Speaker 3: your bad That's easy for you. You live in Miami 1111 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,480 Speaker 3: in the penthouse and you drive this and you Crystal. 1112 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 3: That's easy for you to say you did this and 1113 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,680 Speaker 3: you got that, and you on TV. This is what 1114 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,479 Speaker 3: people forget. They forget what they don't know. They don't 1115 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 3: know Shabad has lived in a crack house for ten months. 1116 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,360 Speaker 3: They don't know shr Bads lived in another crackhouse after 1117 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 3: that and used to wake up smacking roaches off his face. 1118 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,360 Speaker 3: They don't know what you went through for order for 1119 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:30,280 Speaker 3: this to become your blessing. You understand me. When so 1120 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,760 Speaker 3: people will think it's easy for us to be encouraging, 1121 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,040 Speaker 3: and it's easy for us to say we got faith. No, 1122 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 3: we are encouraging and we have faith because our lives 1123 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,080 Speaker 3: are testaments of what being faithful brings. Because I know 1124 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,040 Speaker 3: mine is. That's why I stick with what I do. 1125 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 3: This is why I stick to speaking and gave us. 1126 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 3: This is why I stick to motivation, because that's my job. 1127 00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,080 Speaker 4: I don't know where the money. 1128 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,040 Speaker 3: Coming from sometime, y'all. I don't have a salary. You 1129 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,880 Speaker 3: understand me. You know I don't have a salary. I 1130 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 3: don't know, you know if I'm gonna make a hundred 1131 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 3: thousand this year or I'm gonna make fifty. But what 1132 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,960 Speaker 3: I do know is as long or what I believe. 1133 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,880 Speaker 3: What I do believe is that as long as I 1134 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 3: do what I'm doing, I'll continue to receive what I've 1135 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 3: been receiving. 1136 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:22,280 Speaker 4: So I stayed. 1137 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,400 Speaker 3: Of course, this young lady, she has to figure out 1138 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 3: a game going back to purpose. Are you operating within 1139 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:35,520 Speaker 3: your purpose? So take your pluses, sweetheart, and put your 1140 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 3: pluses on the table. Set your minuses aside, because if 1141 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,080 Speaker 3: you concentrate on what you're good at and what you're 1142 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,720 Speaker 3: blessed at, that'll get too much, that'll get so much 1143 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,760 Speaker 3: attention that what you don't have won't even matter because. 1144 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:49,720 Speaker 4: You'll be fulfilled over here. 1145 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:51,439 Speaker 2: That's real. 1146 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,040 Speaker 3: She's looking for fulfillment. But she should concentrate on what's 1147 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,880 Speaker 3: going right, because the things that's going wrong are maybe 1148 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,560 Speaker 3: not necessarily wrong. It may not be meant. 1149 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 2: That was the word. 1150 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,560 Speaker 3: I like that. It might not be meant. 1151 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,200 Speaker 2: That's good, Thank you good. I don't have nothing to 1152 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:20,240 Speaker 2: ask to that. That was good past. All right, We're 1153 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,920 Speaker 2: gonna do what I'm going through and what I'm growing through. 1154 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,440 Speaker 1: Okay, And right now in life, I am there's so 1155 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,040 Speaker 1: much going on. I have a lot on my plate 1156 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: right now, so juggling things, managing my anxiety. I was 1157 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,960 Speaker 1: talking to the Nord today about being in She's in 1158 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,680 Speaker 1: the season of surrender, and I need to surrender some 1159 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 1: things myself and completely let it go and pray on 1160 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,280 Speaker 1: some things. But right now I am trying to manage 1161 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,480 Speaker 1: everything and manage this anxiety because it wasn't untilast year 1162 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,360 Speaker 1: I realized I. 1163 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,800 Speaker 2: Even had anxiety. 1164 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,520 Speaker 1: But just keeping that under control and understanding that I 1165 01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,400 Speaker 1: have everything I need, I like nothing, and just just 1166 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,880 Speaker 1: letting God take it because a lot of times you 1167 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,960 Speaker 1: put more on ourselves than we have to, and I'm 1168 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:07,760 Speaker 1: very guilty of that. 1169 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 3: Yes, what about you, Shockingly the same thing. I just 1170 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 3: never had an attack, but I worry. Yeah, I'll be 1171 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:32,919 Speaker 3: anxious because sometimes you just don't know you're unsure, all. 1172 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,160 Speaker 1: Right, Lastly, we're gonna do keep it blank, sweetie, And 1173 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,200 Speaker 1: for this episode, I'm going to say, keep it. 1174 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,920 Speaker 2: A hunted, sweetie, keep it one hunted. 1175 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,800 Speaker 3: Keep it accountable, sweetie. Come on now, yeah, keep it accountable. 1176 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,000 Speaker 1: I love it, everybody, my big brother Shabaz, thank you 1177 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:53,600 Speaker 1: so much. 1178 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,720 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. This was this was a jewel 1179 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,240 Speaker 3: and a gem in a box of jewelry. 1180 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 2: I love, I love this, Thanks for having me absolutely. 1181 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,520 Speaker 1: Thank you and thank you guys for tuning in. If 1182 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,880 Speaker 1: you want to write into our Positive Outcome listener letter, 1183 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,439 Speaker 1: write into keep It Positive Sweete at gmail dot com 1184 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,880 Speaker 1: and at sweetye with an Ie. You can follow me 1185 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,520 Speaker 1: on all platforms at love Chrystal Reina and that's l 1186 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,400 Speaker 1: U V Chrystal Rena. Should tell the people where they 1187 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:18,960 Speaker 1: can find you. 1188 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,920 Speaker 4: Wooh, I almost said so. I ain't got no business saying. 1189 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,280 Speaker 3: You can find me at Shabatz the O G s 1190 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,760 Speaker 3: H A b A z z t h E O 1191 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:31,880 Speaker 3: G on Instagram. 1192 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,520 Speaker 4: I'm not reading a lot of other social platforms. 1193 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,959 Speaker 3: However, I do have a podcast named after the book 1194 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 3: Flip Your Life, and you can subscribe to that at 1195 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,360 Speaker 3: T m T Digitalnetwork dot com. 1196 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:44,200 Speaker 2: I love it all right. 1197 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,520 Speaker 1: Make sure you guys tap in with him in the 1198 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,000 Speaker 1: meantime in between time you know what to do. Keep 1199 01:03:49,040 --> 01:04:03,720 Speaker 1: it positive, Sweetie, love y'all, KA,