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Speaker 1: last job. And he'll retire and basically go off to

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Speaker 1: the sunset. But I do not blame Dave Temper for firing,

427
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Speaker 1: just like I don't blame Mark Davis. Whenever I see

428
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: these people like, you know, these owners are getting too quick. Well,

429
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels was fucking terrible. Was he supposed to just

430
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: let Josh McDaniel's coach for a couple more years and

431
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 1: keep losing a bunch of games and everyone hate him? Right?

432
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: I understand there are some difficult decisions. When the forty

433
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: nine ers mutually departed with Harbaugh, that was an embarrassment.

434
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: When Dean Spanos and the Herders chose aj Smith over

435
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer, that was clearly the wrong decision. When the

436
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins at the time didn't realize that they had

437
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Lafloor and all these guys like

438
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: you should probably not hate these guys but build around them.

439
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: That's on them. But when you're in a situation where

440
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: the guy is the head coach and he is torpedoing

441
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: your franchise to embarrassment embarrassing levels, and your team sucks,

442
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: and then you don't feel he knows what he's doing.

443
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: She'd be like, well, just be patient. Part of the

444
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: reason the Roonies are patient with Mike Tomlin he wins.

445
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: Andy Reid got a long time in Philly. Well, yeah,

446
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: he was going to do NFC championship games. He was

447
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: winning double digit games. They were printing cash for their

448
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: owner on top of the media deal. They were constantly

449
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: in the mix. So it's like, I never have a

450
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: problem with an owner being impatient when I don't think

451
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: the guy's any good and literally his record is not good,

452
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: and it's easy to think the interim coach, right, like

453
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: Rich Pashacia with the Raiders a couple of years ago,

454
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes last year, that's a risky move too, Like

455
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: you're usually not gonna find the next Belichick or Andy

456
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: that way. Now, maybe you can, but I never fault

457
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: the team for not going that way either. This is

458
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: hard hiring people, just like drafting people is very, very difficult,

459
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: and when you make a bad decision, luckily as a fan,

460
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: like ultimately, if you're a Panther fan, this guy's nuts,

461
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: Like he's a maniac. What I don't like reading is

462
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: him telling play callers what plays to run Monday through Friday.

463
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: Him telling you who to draft like that is a

464
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: major problem. If that's the case, which everyone seems to

465
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: feel like it is, that's fucked. You got issues. But

466
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: you can't blame him for getting rid of Frank, just

467
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: like you can't blame him for getting rid of Matt Rule.

468
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: You need to upgrade as coach. Now. I had some

469
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: people in the NFL like, the only way he's gonna

470
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Speaker 1: get his pick of the litter, he's gonna have to

471
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: overpay by such a high amount. Well, he's got the money, right.

472
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Steve Valmer can be nuts. He can cut checks other

473
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: people can't. Mark Cuban was nuts for a long time,

474
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: can cut checks that other people can't. Joe lacub is crazy,

475
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: has a big checkbook. George Steinbrenner, I mean, look around sports.

476
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: When I have a bigger bank than you, I can

477
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: be a little crazy and still make up for it.

478
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: To me what you can't do. Like, here's the one

479
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: thing about the Cowboys. Jerry's been the general manager for

480
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: a while, right, and his son plays a big role

481
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: as well. With the scouting staff. Kind of feels like

482
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Speaker 1: they know what they're doing, doesn't it? Like Jerry say

483
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: what you want about Jerry big Ego likes being in

484
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: the forefront, likes being a star. He likes being no

485
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: different than the coach or the star quarterback. But they

486
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: kind of know what they're doing when they're picking players.

487
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: That's not even debatable anymore. The problem for a lot

488
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Speaker 1: of these owners. You know, Jimmy Haslum's currently getting sued

489
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: by Warren Buffett, that guy. Someone hit me like, well,

490
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Speaker 1: you said, pushing the envelope is a good thing, agreed,

491
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: But Jimmy Haslam is always into stuff, always causing problems,

492
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: screwing the truckers, pissing off Warren Buffett, all four, doing

493
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: what you got to do to make it a little

494
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: extra coin at this one. I don't know. Something's a

495
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: little off about him. But some of these owners, man,

496
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: there is no point in how It's one thing. If

497
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Speaker 1: I'm David Tepper and I have a hedge fund, right,

498
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: and I hire three guys, or I'm Steve Cohen, the

499
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: guys owns the Mets to run my money, to give

500
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: them advice or to tell them, hey, buy more of this,

501
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 1: because that's what I do. That's the craft that I

502
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: created myself. Right. If you hit me up, like ask

503
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Speaker 1: me for some advice podcasting, or how to become a

504
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: scout or recruiter recruiter in college, Like I give you

505
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: some advice if you ask me for advice, like how

506
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: do you get into you know, how do you get

507
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: into Wells Fargo Banking or Chase Banking. I wouldn't know

508
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: what to tell you, right, So these guys get in

509
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Speaker 1: the football. Just because you're a football fan doesn't mean

510
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: you know what you're talking about in terms of who

511
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: to pick, who not to pick, who to hire, who

512
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: not to hire. Doesn't mean you can't have opinions. When

513
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: these guys become the owner and he's paid so much money,

514
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: clearly he's just telling them what to do, and that's

515
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: been the bigger disaster. But even if you told Frank

516
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: what to do correctly, it might not matter because he

517
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: clearly doesn't look good enough and massaging the egos of coaches,

518
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: like for example, I saw Florio. I don't know if

519
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: you put it on Instagram or he said it on

520
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: maybe some one of his television show things YouTube. I

521
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: don't know where I saw it, but he said, I

522
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: think we're all looking at Mike Vrabel's situation. Wrong. Everyone

523
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: thinks that the Titans might break up with Mike Vrabel.

524
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Speaker 1: He's like, I think it's more he might want to

525
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: break up with them, and you know, he's got some ideas.

526
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: Maybe he's you know, the owner, the resources whatever. I

527
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: don't know the details, but I was like, yeah, that's

528
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Speaker 1: very plausible. But if you want to get a guy,

529
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Speaker 1: let's just say Mike Vrabel was available, or in a

530
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: Sean McVay goes to Amazon in like three years, he's available.

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Speaker 1: You want to have those guys. The way to keep

532
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: them happy is go listen, Sean, I'm here to do

533
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: one or Mike, I'm here to do one thing, and

534
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: one thing only for you. This is what Robert Kraft

535
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: did for twenty years with Bill. Hell he's still doing

536
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: with Bill. You win games, You fucking you win games,

537
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: playoff games. You make us really important in this league.

538
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: I'll sign my name on any check you need, trades, signings,

539
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: draft picks, whatever you want to do, you gotta thumb

540
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: those up for me. You do not need to ask

541
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: me ever for a player transaction. Unless there's character involved,

542
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: then run it by me. But in terms of trading players,

543
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: trading draft picks, that is what you're coaching the team

544
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: during the season, you do that. I am here to

545
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: support you financially, to wear a good looking suit on

546
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: Sunday and have my mistress. She's not my mistress anymore.

547
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: She's now my girlfriend because I've divorced my wife right

548
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: next to my side, and we're gonna root you on

549
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: with some of our famous friends. You win his fucking games,

550
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: you make us money. I'll keep paying you money. Do

551
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Treat this team as your baby, as

552
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: you own it. And Belichick, you know, brought a lot

553
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: to the table with Kraft, right because he won a lot,

554
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: and Craft never overcept his boundaries. He let him let

555
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: Tom Brady walk. Now that's ultimately probably the wrong decision.

556
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: Should have got involved there. But in fairness to Roberts,

557
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: like everything I've ever let Bill do, he's been right about.

558
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: So now, are you gonna get Bill Belichick? Probably not,

559
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: But if you just get a solid coach. One thing

560
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: the Rams did, what the forty nine ers did, what

561
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: even with Lafleura and the Packers. Empower the guy. You

562
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: have to empower the guy if you're holding his hand

563
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: like Steve Cohen would or like you would on the

564
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: trading floor. It's not gonna work that. This is not

565
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Speaker 1: You have no expertise, know nothing about any of this.

566
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: When it comes to actual football. Now about like signs

567
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: in the building, you know, hiring cafeteriuss. I'm not saying

568
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: you can't have input on things inside the building of

569
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: your football team, but when it comes to the football

570
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: players and the coaching staff and the acquisitions in March

571
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: around free agency and the draft, you have to let

572
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: those guys cook because if you don't let them cook,

573
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: you can't complain about the fucking meal. And David Tepper's

574
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: up there screaming the F word, going up and down.

575
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, you keep getting it. This is partly you.

576
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: And one article I read today from Albert Breer is

577
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: like he kind of shows up periodically and it throws

578
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: like he's got ideas, and then he disappears. Like the

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00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: football players and the coaches, they're there all day every day,

580
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, during the season, so you come in and out.

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00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: That's not the way the world wars. You can operate

582
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: other businesses like that, you cannot operate this business like that.

583
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: So I think these these new big time owners, it's

584
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: gonna be difficult for him. Deion Sanders, I have no

585
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: problem with any co coach or player talking shit. I mean,

586
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: that's if you want to talk shit. Ultimately, you got

587
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: a player coach against the other team. And Dion has

588
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: been one of the loudest individuals of my lifetime as

589
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: an athlete. Always backed it up easily, one of the

590
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Speaker 1: greatest football players of all time and probably a top

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Speaker 1: two or three athlete. I mean, definitely of my life.

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Speaker 1: You could argue, ever, it's harder as a coach when

593
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Speaker 1: you're talking a big game and you don't get to play.

594
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Speaker 1: And it's one thing to do it at Alabama or

595
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Speaker 1: Georgia when you have a stack Ohio State Michigan. His

596
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: team's not very good. They went four and eight, and

597
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I watched them a lot second half of the year.

598
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: They were fucking terrible and their offensive and defensive lines

599
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: look awful. There was an article on The Athletic by

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00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman and several other people, and they basically interviewed

601
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Speaker 1: all these assistant coaches, a lot of coordinators in the

602
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: Pac twelve, and they all just gave their opinions. And

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00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: one main opinion that I've read that was just a

604
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: good quote like you know, it was all hugs and

605
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: kiss is in the beginning in the off season, and

606
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: then early on when they won a couple of games.

607
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: Get ready for the horror stories to come out. Now.

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00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: One thing I was told by a scout a while

609
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: back is he had heard that there when you work

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00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: for the program, when you work for Dion, you sign

611
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: an NDA. Now maybe part of that is, like because

612
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: everything's being filmed. I don't know, that's just what I heard.

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00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that. But ultimately, if I sign an

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00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: NDA and I go somewhere else and I tell you

615
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: one of the reporters for the Athletic or whoever, how

616
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: are you going to prove that I said it. One

617
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: thing I think is clear and listen. I respect Dion

618
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: for saying we're not going to be an ATM machine.

619
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Speaker 1: And I think he was talking about recruits. I would

620
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: never pay high school recruits big money. I think that's stupid.

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00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: I would pay transfer portal guys money. The PAC twelve

622
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: was good this year, and their team was awful on

623
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, so they got fucking worked. They

624
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: got embarrassed. I mean, Washington State, who's not that great,

625
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: beat him like fifty six to fourteen. That was the

626
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Speaker 1: second last. They got Molly woke, they got embarrassed, and

627
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: they ended shador season. You gotta get better at the

628
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And that's to me a question big

629
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Speaker 1: picture about Deon Sanders, who, let's face it, we all thought,

630
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: could Deon Sanders go to to be the NFL coach,

631
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Speaker 1: Could he coach like Florida or Texas A and m

632
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: or could he get some enormous job. I think he's

633
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: a long way away from that because ultimately, for as

634
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Speaker 1: much as like the recruiting, a lot of those big

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Speaker 1: schools kind of recruit themselves, and Deon's recruiting class right

636
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: now is not great, and he hasn't proven that he

637
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: can win, right and he's got to prove to me

638
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: next year for him to be like kind of validate everything,

639
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: I think he gotta win seven eight games. You look

640
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: at the Big twelve, it's gonna be awful. It's not

641
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: very good period, point blank, end of story. Right. I mean, honestly,

642
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: two of the best teams are gonna be like Arizona

643
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: and Utah, like Kansas State. I mean, Texa, Oklahoma are gone, UCF, Cincinnati,

644
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't think they're a lock unless Shador gets dramatically better. Now,

645
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: it's not all his fault. One of the coordinators in

646
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: this art said, when we played Shador, he got massacred.

647
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: And you watch the games a lot like Caleb running

648
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: for his life. But as well as he played in

649
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: that TCU game, in that Colorado State game down the stretch,

650
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: you watched him, maybe he's getting a little gun shot.

651
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: He did not look as good. Now he's young, he's

652
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: raw for you know, big jump in competition. But there's

653
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of pressure on him. And I

654
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: also think that Deon Sanders is an outlier. He could

655
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: play both ways and be kind of unfazed. I think

656
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter needs to kind of pick a position, and

657
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: to me, it's on Dion, not on him. Of course,

658
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter is gonna want to play both ways, kind

659
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: of go all in. If he can be a top

660
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: twenty corner, like a top twenty pick as a corner,

661
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: become a corner and then play periodically on offense. If

662
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: you're a top fifteen to twenty pick at wide receiver,

663
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: do that and then play periodically on defense. But to

664
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: go both ways one hundred one hundred and twenty snaps.

665
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: That's not realistic, and you're gonna get diminishing returns against

666
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: better teams with your best player. No One in Alabama.

667
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm a Georgia, you know. Fuck even like the Oregon States,

668
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: Washington State's like the mid tier powerfile ever has a

669
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: guy go both ways. It's not possible. It's too hard,

670
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: And in fairness of Dion, he's like, fuck, I did

671
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 1: it kinda. I mean Dion obviously, you know, didn't play

672
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: full time wide receiver. But what they asked him to do.

673
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: I've been watching college football thirty years. It's very, very difficult.

674
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: It really. Charles Woodson had some moments on offense and

675
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: obviously would return, But to ask a guy to go

676
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: both ways, it just there were times when he just

677
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: wore down. And there was a play that Sanford game

678
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: they lost where the dude moss it over his head

679
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: on Friday night. He had to be just gassed. So

680
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: I think there's pressure on Dion, and listen, in fairness

681
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: to Dion, a lot of people are pussy's in life,

682
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: and they're scared to put the spotlight on him because

683
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: they don't want the heat. Dion's not scared of that,

684
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: and he put the spotlight on him and he got

685
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: humbled a little bit. The whole program did. And you know,

686
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 1: you hire this guy from Kent State, he's the head coach,

687
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: he leaves to come to the offensive coordinator, and you

688
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: demote him for Pat Sherman. You demoted it for Pat Schrmer.

689
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: Can't do that. As one quote in the article regarding that,

690
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: that's an embarrassment, and I completely agree that guy's now

691
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: the head coach at San Diego State, Like if you

692
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: had demoted him for like, I don't know, Sean McVay

693
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: or something. Okay, Pat Schrmer, are we serious? I do

694
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: wonder like part of being a head coach we've talked,

695
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: We've given Sean Payton a lot of credit on this one,

696
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: is like you gotta be able to handle the rough

697
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: seas and just kind of make it through without craziness

698
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: and Dion, you know, they hit some bumps in the

699
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: road and it got ugly, and it got ugly quick.

700
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to do is a little segment

701
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: called can't be Serious. I just chose some headlines and

702
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: my first reaction to those headlines was like, this can't

703
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: be serious? I mean I read to this earlier today

704
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, this can't be serious. Are you

705
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: kidding me? Is this a joke? And when I saw

706
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: a headline of Klee Lib Williams will be a game

707
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: time decision whether he's going to the NFL, now, I'm

708
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: all for, Like, listen, I negotiate my contracts. I understand

709
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: there is a level of when you're negotiating against two people.

710
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: You're not negotiating against the NFL because of the number

711
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 1: one pick. Your contract is set, but you're probably trying

712
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: to get like, hey, could USC get you twenty million

713
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: dollars for a season? And maybe he's waiting on that.

714
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: So I understand throwing it out there, but this can't

715
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: be serious. Like, bro, the NFL pays you forty million

716
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: dollars the moment you go to the league, plus your

717
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: clock starts toward you know, your second contract. Here's the

718
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: other thing. Your team stinks. I mean, so your team

719
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL is gonna be bad. Your college team

720
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: is bad. I understand it. Like Matt Lioner in the

721
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: peak of his dynasty, Tim Tebow in the peak of

722
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: his dynasty. I'm not saying those players where the prospects,

723
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: Caleb is, but I understand those guys returning when their

724
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: team is decked. Your team is you just got your

725
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: asking by UCLA, like you're gonna game time decision. Give

726
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: me a break. The Rogers twenty one day window, what

727
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: are we doing? What? Maybe he's defying modern medicine by

728
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: returning on Achilles is he. I've always defended Aaron. I've

729
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: thought a lot of stuff. The immunization was always so stupid,

730
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: Like do you understand no one in the NFL cares.

731
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: If the NFL players could have chose whether they got

732
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: the JAB or not and it wasn't mandated to play,

733
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: five percent of them would have got it. So it's

734
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: like a lot of the stuff that Aaron became polarizing

735
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: for the ayahuasca, that stuff, like the media is like

736
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: he's doing drugs. He put drugs in the system. Now

737
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: not saying that I would do ayahuasca more intimidated by

738
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: it then maybe I'm just not enlightened enough. But like

739
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: some of the stuff doesn't bother me as much as

740
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: did a lot of other people. The twenty one day window,

741
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna return is one of the most ludicrous things

742
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: I've ever heard the team is done. You're done? Can

743
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: we stop talking about it? Really? I think this story

744
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: has been for the first time I've come around. Dude,

745
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: this guy might be a little addicted to the headlines,

746
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: and I've always supported him. I always think he's one

747
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: of the best players I've ever seen. I'm okay with

748
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: my great players having a little bit of an ego,

749
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: but this is this is ridiculous. And then the last

750
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: thing is, remember Tyreek, he scored that touchdown, he grabbed

751
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: the phone and he did the backflip. The camera guy

752
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: who handed him the camera was in on it. I

753
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: think Tyreek had given him the camera before. Obviously went

754
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: viral on social media. The video of him doing the backflip.

755
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: That guy was fired by the NFL because ultimately he

756
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: was like an independent contractor working for the NFL. Come on,

757
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: what are we doing? I see JJ Watt posting these

758
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: videos about the NFL stealing money. They have a lot

759
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: of parallels now with our government, where they just take

760
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: take takes like where's his money? Get what are you

761
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: taking this for? Where's it going? Who's it helping? How

762
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: does this make any sense? And they're just like a

763
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: guy will just make a tackle and be like, oh,

764
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: it's fifty thousand dollars. Fine for what one of the

765
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Saint Brown Brothers got into a just a block last

766
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: week was find like forty three thousand dollars. It's just like,

767
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: what's happening Tyreek Hills. This guy was really fired because

768
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: he handed him my phone like they're listen, I'm all

769
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: for trying to corral some of these big hits across

770
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: the middle, but like the No Fun League, that's what

771
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: are we doing. Let's be better than that. You just

772
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: slide into my DMS Instagram at John Middlecoff fire in them.

773
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: Very very easy to do. We like interacting with the

774
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: people here from Calvin love your takes. I already liked

775
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: this guy. I'm a Diar Charger fan product of being

776
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: born in San Diego. Never turn my back on them.

777
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: You already know and have mentioned before the state of

778
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: the organization. What do you think the Chargers need to

779
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: do to change the current narrative of the choking Charger Chargers? Well,

780
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: I think it starts with paying for a real coach

781
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: and listen, it's sports. You're gonna lose some heartbreaking games, right,

782
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: think of guys that have not won a Super Bowl,

783
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. That are viewed as good coaches, right, Jim

784
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: Harbaugh Kirby smart for a long time before he won

785
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: the national championship. You lose some gut punch games, but

786
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: if we all view you as a good coach, it's like, yeah,

787
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna figure it out. Like if you're betting on Harball,

788
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: he might not win it this year, but he's eventually.

789
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: I would bet on Jim Harbaugh winning a championship, whether

790
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: that's a national championship, whether that's when he comes back

791
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. Why he's good, and when you're

792
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: good and you're always in the mix, eventually things are

793
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna go. Right. What happened to Andy Reid? He was

794
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: good for a long time, couldn't win a Super Bowl? Well,

795
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: Donovan mcdapp good player, you know, pro Bowl level guy.

796
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: Michael Vick had a year for him. Alex Smith not

797
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: as good as Donovan, but just solid star gets you

798
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Then he gets his Tom Brady rest is history.

799
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: He's been three Super Bowls five years, won a couple

800
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: of them, might be back in it again this year,

801
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: might be in his four super Bowl in five years. Right,

802
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: that's what happens. So I think it's the coach, you know.

803
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: I really think it's that simple. You get a coach

804
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: that knows what they're doing. I have faith that you

805
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: won't be the Chargers anymore, or charger ring, as you

806
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: guys call it. I'm a Lions fan and it has

807
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: been an embarrassment of a franchise my entire life. But

808
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: since Sheila hamp took over and she made smart moves,

809
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: fired Patricia and Quinn and hired Brad Holmes, do you

810
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: think the Lions are turning into a well organized franchise

811
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: that can win a playoff game or two in a year.

812
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: We will be the pit of mediocrity until we get

813
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: a better quarterback. I like Goff, but he clearly can't

814
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: handle pressure, and any playoff team will have a good

815
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: enough pass rush to disrupt him. Well, if GoF can

816
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: win you a playoff game, You guys haven't won a

817
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: playoff game in a long long time. I think it's

818
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: several decades, right, Like, I don't think you've wont a

819
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: playoff game since the eighties. You definitely haven't won one

820
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: in ninety one, the last year you want a playoff game,

821
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: definitely not in my lifetime that I can remember, and

822
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: I could be wrong on that ninety one number. I

823
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm throwing that out there, but here's

824
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: the key to be a good organization right and a

825
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: successful owner. Hire the right people and let them cook.

826
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft owned the Patriots. The Patriots were viewed as

827
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: not a top fifteen brand in the NFL. They had

828
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: a moment with Parcels in the nineties, but I would

829
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: say historically they were a joke too. Hires Belichick, lets

830
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: him go to work. Obviously they got a little lucky

831
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: finding Brady in the sixth round or whatever, but then

832
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: he just let him cook for twenty years. Clark Hunt

833
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: hired Andy Reid, has let him cook now for a decade.

834
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: And Jeffrey Learie smartest thing he ever did, get Chip

835
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: Kelly out of the building. Let how we run it.

836
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: When you hire good people in a business that's kind

837
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: of unique, you can't impact it as an owner. All

838
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: you can do is cut the checks and support them

839
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: and give them thumbs up when they want to do something. Now,

840
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: the character stuff, I always say, I have no problem

841
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: if you have some non negotiables hitting women, you know,

842
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: any violent offenses. Totally get that. It's I would have

843
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: no problem. I don't know where I would fall if

844
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: they said, John, you're worth fifty billion. The next team

845
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: that comes for sale, the NFL is going to sell

846
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: it to you for eight Like, okay, I'll take it.

847
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: Where would I fall on the morality of character stuff?

848
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: You know, I probably have a little moral Davis and

849
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones because I like to win. But I'm a

850
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: big high character guy. I don't know that'd be. Who

851
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: knows until I was, you know, in the firing line

852
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: and had to make the decision. But when it comes

853
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: to like should we make this trade trade up to

854
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: the second round or trade down from the second for

855
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: next year's one or whatever, you should never get involved

856
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: in that because if you are, then you got the

857
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: wrong people. And I think what they did when Brad

858
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: Holmes and Dan Campbell is they hire two very capable guys. Now,

859
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: are they gonna be like all time great guys. I

860
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: don't know. Time will tell, because they're gonna have to

861
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: make another move at quarterback in the next couple of years.

862
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: You think, unless Hennon Hooker turns out to be some star.

863
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: But I think their key is just let them go.

864
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: And you know why a lot of owners fail, Like

865
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: most owners aren't Dan Snyder and Dave Tepper, A lot

866
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: of owners just can't hire the right guys. I really

867
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: think it's as simple as that. When you hire the

868
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: right people, like it's a game changer. From Jackson, I

869
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 1: know you have said there is no chance Rogers comes

870
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: back this season, but since he is now practicing, do

871
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: you think he comes back? They open the window. There's

872
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: a difference between open the window and fully participating in practice.

873
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: Just because a window opens doesn't mean you automatically practice.

874
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I think we all do acknowledge what are we doing.

875
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: If I'm the Jets, I'm sorry this season is down

876
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: the drain. Your team stinks it with your quarterback situation,

877
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, really does you just played a guy Tim Boyle,

878
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: who if you ever have to go like we're sticking

879
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: with Tim Boyle. Your teams and chambles, no offense, Tim Boyle,

880
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean, incredible accomplishment to make it in the NFL,

881
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: but you just you're not a starting quarterback. Just like

882
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson I started quarterback. There's nothing you can do,

883
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: so I think bringing him back one is insanity. Two

884
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: is just moronic. Part of being good at business is

885
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: balancing shortened big picture stuff, right, Everyone listening to this.

886
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: No matter what you do, whether you sell cars, sell insurance,

887
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: run a bakery, there's a balance of short term profits

888
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: and what will lead to big picture you know, success

889
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: with your customers. Right, And sometimes you gotta take less

890
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: money at the beginning. Sometimes you gotta lose money in

891
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, Like you kind of just

892
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: got the moment he went down. You just got to

893
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: take it on the chin. To even allow him to practice,

894
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: I think is borderline crazy. What if he reinjures it.

895
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: I remember when I was was with the Eagles, Jason

896
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: Peters tore his achilles, and I think he was at

897
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: home on the scooter and like fell or something happened

898
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: and he retore it. Like how could you even risk

899
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: another injury? Like, let's just get you fully healthy. Say

900
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: this about the Cardinals and Kyler Murray situation. They waited,

901
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: they let him get back. He had been nine to

902
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: ten whatever however many months out, and then they eased

903
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: them in. Aaron Rodgers tore's achilles, uh September eleventh. It's

904
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: November twenty ninth. The fuck are we doing. I'm not

905
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: even a doctor. I've never even torn a knee or

906
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: an achilles, and I know that's insane because there's nothing

907
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: on the line, Like, it just doesn't that up. I

908
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: don't see how it makes any sense. How much did

909
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: you hear guys in the NFL doing steroids. I'm sure

910
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: guys like Miles Garrett or Nick Bosa may be using them.

911
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: I've never heard of it. One thing, when you get

912
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Even I saw this in college. There

913
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: are certain people that are genetic freaks. There are certain

914
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: people that are like were the same human species here,

915
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: Like Ryan Matthews, the running back that played for the

916
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: Chargers and then the Eagles. He was so fucking jacked.

917
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: The dude grew up homeless, he barely had food to eat.

918
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: God created that man differently than everyone else. Saw my

919
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: own eyes, I was like this guy. There are levels

920
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: of genetics like Shaquille O'Neills. I mean, some of these

921
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: people at the highest level of sports are built different. Now,

922
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: obviously people use PDEs right, people are using them in baseball,

923
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: People are using them in baseball, and people are using football.

924
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: But I think you'd be surprised how often some of

925
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: these guys, like you know, the Trent Williams of the world.

926
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they're just Jason Peters. Some guys just are different,

927
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: they really are. That's why there's such a small percentage

928
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: of these people that are at the highest level. Logically,

929
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: why can't Stroud be considered the MVP. Is there a

930
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: player who not only puts up huge stats but also

931
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: is vital to his team? When we talk valuable in

932
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: all quotes, who's more valuable than Stroud? And Mahomes, Dak

933
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: Perdy toa, etc. Are playing awesome, but look at the

934
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: cards they're dealt compared to CJ. With Hurts, the value

935
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: he holds not only as a player but for real

936
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: morale and leadership is immense. But the stats are eh.

937
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: I do think the stats on Hurts one thing we

938
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: overlook because I get this a lot. With Hurts and Party,

939
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: It's like their stats are kind of identical as passers.

940
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: You know, Purty is less picks and right around the

941
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: same touchdowns. Jalen also has eleven rushing touchdowns. He gets

942
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: four hundred yards rushing, so if he throws twenty eight touchdowns,

943
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: which is not you know, typical MVP type quarterback. If

944
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: he gives you seventeen on the ground, I mean we're

945
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: talking forty five touchdowns accounted for it, and he'd be like, well,

946
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: half of them are the touch push. Well, he's part

947
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: of the touchbush. Like that play a huge part of

948
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: the reason it exists. It's fucking him to me. If

949
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: he has a big game beats the Niners, like, I

950
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: think he's gonna trend toward winning it. Really, how often

951
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: does a guy on like a fifteen to two team

952
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: that accounts for forty plus touchdowns not win the MVP?

953
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: But I hear you, I just think it's it's fair

954
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: or not that the rookie's not winning it. Love the

955
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: show been listening for a few years. Saw mock draft

956
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: where Pennix goes to the Vikings in the twenties. Obviously

957
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: they will probably end up in the mid teens. Would

958
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: this be possible or is quarterback inflation moving Pennix up?

959
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: And would this be a good pick for the Vikings?

960
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: I think the hard part about Penix is when you

961
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: look at all the top quarterbacks. Caleb very athletic, moves

962
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: around great I mean great movement, Drake May really good athlete,

963
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: Bo Nicks fantastic athlete, Jayden Daniels elite athlete. I mean

964
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: all these guys, movement is a big part of their game.

965
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: You watch Penix play, and I've watched him play a

966
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: lot of games last couple years. He's kind of a

967
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: throwback pocket baser. You know, he's he's he's like a

968
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: bigger TUA. Really, I mean, who is not mobile? Who

969
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: is a pocket player? That's Penix, which, let's face it,

970
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three and beyond, like you want mobility.

971
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: Part of why CJ looks really good is like, God,

972
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: Cg's pretty, He's a good playmaker. Pennix is a between

973
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: the tackles pass guy, so I there's a risk there.

974
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: I love him as a college player, but I understand

975
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: the question marks, can you have a guy that's not

976
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: that mobile? In this modern game, offensive linemen have never

977
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: been worse. There's never been more pass rushers. Kind of

978
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: a sitting duck. Now you'd say, well, the greatest players

979
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: of all time were all non mobile guys, right, I mean,

980
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Montana was a good athlete, but he was a pocket passer.

981
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Brady Manning pocket guys, Marino pocket guys, l Way mobile,

982
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 1: Rogers mobile, I always lean mobile have a question about

983
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: the Birds. If the Eagles were to win the next

984
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: three games against the Niners, the Cowboys, and the Seahawks,

985
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: their one seed would be pretty much clinched. Agreed, Honestly,

986
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: they win the next two games the Cowboys and the Niners,

987
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: it's a rap. I'd argue they win this week, it's

988
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: probably over the one seed. If that happens, do you

989
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: think they would for the next three games try to

990
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: rest Jalen? I think they would one rest Jalen in

991
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: a meaningless game, whether that's the last game of the season,

992
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: whether that's you know, they rest them like the second

993
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: to the last game of the season, and then let

994
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: them play the following week because they're going to get

995
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: a buye. You would like they're not chasing undefeated, you know,

996
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: all time great status as a team now that one

997
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: loss actually makes it easier to do stuff like that.

998
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: So yes, if they clinched the one seed very early,

999
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: I could definitely see them doing something and they should

1000
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: right if it's possible to take care of them. Okay,

1001
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: this is coach K, not Mike Krzyzewski, but just another

1002
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: coach K. He is God, He's got a lot of

1003
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: the US on YouTube, he says, Okay, coach k love

1004
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: the show and love the communication with the listeners. I

1005
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: believe that the Bears have the number one pick they

1006
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: should draft Marvin Harrison. Fields has shown he can excel

1007
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: when they just let him play and not call fifteen

1008
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: screens or take the ball out of his hands like

1009
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: they did in Detroit, Denver and many other games. Fields

1010
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: may have a fumbling problem, but Caleb leads the league

1011
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: or the country in fumbles. He plays backyard football for me.

1012
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: He's not a can't mess. Plus, I don't think his

1013
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: attitude would translate well to losing. Get to the best

1014
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: player in the draft. Roll back with Fields. In worst

1015
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: case scenario, you bring in a rookie who gets Marvin Harrison,

1016
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: DJ Moore and maybe Mooney and a better overall team

1017
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: around him. Build the team up the way the Lions did.

1018
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: Ps check. Caleb isn't number one in fumbles, but he's

1019
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: up there with nine. Justin Field is not gonna be

1020
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: your quarterback next year. Ibra Flus is not gonna be

1021
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: your coach. It's over like It's just we can argue

1022
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: it till we're blue in the face. Part of what

1023
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: the Lions did is Jared Goff had proven that you

1024
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: could win with him. He proven that he could be

1025
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: a capable quarterback in the pocket as a passer if

1026
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: you had a good team, justin fields. If you just

1027
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: watch him, you're right. He can make some plays when

1028
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: you quote unquote let it fly when he's running around,

1029
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: when he's in the pocket, even if there is time,

1030
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: he definitely holds onto the ball too long. And listen,

1031
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: I disagreed. Now he was proven right. One of the

1032
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: reasons the forty nine ers and when I say the

1033
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: forty nine er Kyle Shanahan did not consider him when

1034
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: they traded up to three cause he did not think

1035
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: he saw the field and didn't think he process holding

1036
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: onto the ball is a major problem. Now it turns

1037
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: out so to tray. But when you watch Purdy, he

1038
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: gets rid of the ball fast. Part of processing quick

1039
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: is like, can you like Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, all

1040
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: the top guys if they have to, can you get

1041
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: rid of the ball quickly? Can you see everything in

1042
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: boom get rid of it that is not feels? Now?

1043
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: Is his team kind of suck? Offensive coordinator? Sure, we

1044
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: can argue that till we're blue in the face. I

1045
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: love Justin Fields coming out of college. I thought Trevor

1046
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: Lawrence should be one. He should be a closer too

1047
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: than the way we were talking. Turns out I was wrong.

1048
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: All those guys suck. I wouldn't want any of them,

1049
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields now, I

1050
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: would want Justin Fields over that group. But that's not

1051
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: saying much. So I would just take a quarterback and

1052
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: I would trade Fields for It's just time. He needs

1053
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: to change the scenery. It's not gonna work. These is

1054
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: not good enough. I don't know what else say, and

1055
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: I'm not a Justin Fields hater, big fan of the pod.

1056
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: I had a question, maybe you can answer on the

1057
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: episode being a bit of Homer here, I admittedly, but

1058
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: why are the Steelers being able to win ugly? A

1059
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: knock on them. On the flip side, Philly's ability to

1060
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: sneak out wins is praise. Not trying to say we're

1061
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: a contender, but I believe we'll make the playoffs and

1062
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: give the team we play some trouble. We moved the

1063
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: ball fluidly on Sunday and it looked like we have

1064
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: in roof side of the ball. One four in the

1065
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: red zone will cut it. Here's the difference. I hear

1066
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: what you're saying, because like if you're just making the

1067
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: argument and you hadn't watched them, like, well, they're both

1068
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: winning these tight games. Fox the difference. We're seven and four,

1069
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna rattle off a bunch of wins because our schedule,

1070
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like twelve and five. How many teams

1071
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: go twelve and five every year? The difference with the

1072
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: Eagles is one. They score a lot of points, So

1073
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: it's like, I have a lot more faith when your

1074
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: quarterback can account for four or five touchdowns on any

1075
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: given game and you can get within twenty five to

1076
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: thirty five points with your eyes closed. You can't do that.

1077
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: So it's like you have to win these ugly games.

1078
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: That was the Browns for a while. It's like, yeah,

1079
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: you can win the game seventeen to sixteen. The Eagles

1080
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 1: have no problem getting to twenty five to twenty eight

1081
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: to thirty points. So yeah, if I gotta win a

1082
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: shoot out, how do you win a shoot at It's impossible?

1083
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: So I think Plus they won playoff. They were winning

1084
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl you guys haven't won a playoff

1085
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: game since January of twenty seventeen, twenty twenty three. Do

1086
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: you think Jay billis standing on the table yelling about

1087
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: college hoopers needing to get paid has been calculated move?

1088
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: Has it been his way of deflecting and hiding the

1089
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: fact that Duke's clean cut, scholarly image is bullshit and

1090
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: they have paid players under the table for decades. No.

1091
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: I saw Matt Rule today. I think he's clearly getting peppered,

1092
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: Like how do they improve? Right? They went five and seven,

1093
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: they didn't go to a bowl, and they need a quarterback.

1094
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: And he's like, I just want everyone to know. I

1095
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: just want everyone to know, cause there're gonna be some

1096
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you're like, why didn't you get that guy?

1097
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: The going rate for a good quarterback like cam Ward

1098
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: right now, who reportedly has offers for one to two

1099
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: million dollars from Ohio State, from Miami, Washington. Cam Ward's

1100
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: a he's gonna be an NFL player one day. The

1101
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: going rate for a good quarterback, a guy that like,

1102
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: we can win with this guy is like one and

1103
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: a half two million dollars. And my first thought was, Oh,

1104
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: that's what basketball players have been going for for the

1105
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: last decade. Well, who's got most of the one and dones.

1106
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: It's not just Kentucky, it's not just Arizona. Duke's got

1107
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: a lot of them. I'm a coach k guy, but

1108
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: anyone acting like the players you want. Some college football

1109
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: players got fucked well over the last couple decades. For sure.

1110
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: The top you know who's never complained ever, the elite

1111
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: hoopers because they were paid a premium, and I'm all

1112
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: for it. Pay him cap I had never never bothered me.

1113
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: But the notion that these people in the media talk

1114
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: about these guys getting screwed, Give me a break, these guys.

1115
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: And you know what's crazy about getting paid under the table?

1116
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: Maybe there's tax implications. Why you just they keep their

1117
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: mouth shut, like the mob, never talk about it. All

1118
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: these player podcasts. Everyone keeps their mouth shut. In hoops

1119
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: makes sense because to get one of the top five

1120
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: or six basketball players changes the landscape of your season.

1121
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: You get a one and done guy leads you to

1122
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: the lead eight, it's huge your program. In football, it's

1123
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: not worth doing that. These quarter like a high school quarterback.

1124
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: It's not like Arch Manning or Trevor Lawrence is not

1125
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: worth paying a lot of money to UCLA. Did it

1126
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: with this more kid who has a five star recruit

1127
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: stole them from Oregon? Does not look good. It's risky.

1128
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: You never know. There's been a million five star can't

1129
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: miss guys who can't play in basketball. It usually translates

1130
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: if you're a top high school guy. You know the

1131
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis' z ion. I mean, you list the names,

1132
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: they're usually pretty freaking good, and they get drafted. I

1133
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: these guys don't come cheap, which I'm all for. But

1134
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: Billis has always been like, oh my god, none of

1135
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: these guys are eating peanut butter and jellies. Meanwhile, they're

1136
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: driving their g wagon, you know, living luxurious for they

1137
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: don't have to go to class, which I'd argue class

1138
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: in college is pretty overrated unless you're like an engineer

1139
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: lifetime stealer fan. Here, I think you're missing something. This

1140
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: is about the foreigner. You yard after watching how easy

1141
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: it was all these teams and great quarterbacks to put

1142
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: up four hund yards passing every game, it makes us

1143
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: an easy when we could not do it one time

1144
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: over three to four years. I think the sixteen points

1145
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: comes from a divisional game in which, listen, I'm not

1146
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: saying it's not a positive. You guys didn't take a

1147
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: step in the positive direction. I've just never seen such

1148
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: a crazy reaction to yards to yards. It's like, I

1149
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: would totally understand the celebration if, like, God, you know,

1150
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: you just we won twenty eight to ten, four touchdowns.

1151
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: Pick it through a couple Warren had a couple on

1152
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: the ground, were coming, no doubt. It's been damn near

1153
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: two years since you had a take. I disagreed with it.

1154
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: What about Ryan Day's loss to He put an X

1155
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: and then Ischigan was impressive. He lost to an assistant coach. God,

1156
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: I loved the fire of college football. Twenty million people

1157
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: watch this game. Props to college football. You are I mean,

1158
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: you've been this for a while. The hierarchy in sports

1159
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: goes right now, and the NFL is the biggest, by far,

1160
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: the number one television show in America. The number two

1161
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: is college football, and then there's a gap of everyone

1162
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: fighting for scraps. College football is a bohemoth. He lost

1163
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: to an assistant coach after trying to get the game

1164
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: canceled three straight losses to a team up North is unacceptable.

1165
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: You even talked about how Ohio State is pulling from

1166
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: one of the largest salary bases, the largest salary base.

1167
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: Almost beating Georgia in the college football playoffs is the

1168
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: pinnacle of ryan days run as the head coach. Listen,

1169
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: if you fired him, I would not I'd have no

1170
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: problem with it. I'm not one of those guys that

1171
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: thinks you're a bunch of village idiots for saying that.

1172
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: There is no doubt in my mind what Harbaugh said

1173
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: is not wrong. He was hand he landed on third base.

1174
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: Usually to get the Ohio State job, or to get

1175
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: a job like that, you have to prove yourself as

1176
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: a head coach. He clearly did not, and he inherited

1177
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: a program that is freaking rolling, and he's a good recruiter.

1178
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: But the last couple of years were an embarrassment. I

1179
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: just thought his team was much better. Why I gave

1180
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: him praise is the last two years Harball bent him

1181
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: over and made him say uncle, and he said uncle

1182
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: over and over, and Harbaugh didn't stop. He punked him.

1183
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: This year, they did not get pumped. You're right. They

1184
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: lost to an assistant coach, which, like I said, if

1185
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: you wanted to run him out of town, I'm not

1186
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: gonna be crying for him. I don't think he would

1187
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: get screwed. Now. I don't think like Chip Kelly to me,

1188
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: is stealing from UCLA. I don't think the guy cares.

1189
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: I think his programs in fucking shambles. I think he's

1190
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: gonna go to the Big ten and get worked. Here's

1191
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: what I will say, Like Ryan Day runs a real program,

1192
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: Like you guys are clearly one of the better teams

1193
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: in the country. Michigan's is better. Right now, Harbaugh is

1194
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: better than Ryan Day. There is no here's the thing

1195
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: in no world, like in a vacuum. Now, Ryan Day

1196
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: might be a nicer guy, easier to deal with whatever.

1197
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 1: Harball is better than Ryan Day seven days a week,

1198
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: every fucking day of the week, three sixty five. No

1199
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: one in football thinks that Ryan Day is better than

1200
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,959
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh. Because it's a fact. Jim Harbaugh is better.

1201
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: Look at the two resumes. I mean Jim Harbaugh. I

1202
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: know he hasn't won a championship. He's got to be

1203
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: like the Colin Montgomery then of football right now, because

1204
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: he's like the new Andy Reider. You know, whatever it is.

1205
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: But like, Ryan Day's not better than him, he's just not.

1206
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Day's not as tough as him. And when you're

1207
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: not a tough guy, it's hard to run a tough program.

1208
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: The reason Lincoln Riley's program is not tough, he's not tough,

1209
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: the reason Dan Lanning's programer Kirby Smarter, Nick Saban because

1210
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: those guys's defensive guys are tough guys. That's the way

1211
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: they think, that's the way they're wired, that's their ethos. Right,

1212
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: It's like, why do you I like talking about business

1213
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: because I like business. It interests me. I listen to

1214
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: more business podcasts than I new sports podcast I like

1215
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: the soccer market. That gets my brain going. Defensive guys,

1216
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: like some people, we're all wired differently and that shapes

1217
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: who we are. And as a football coach, like Harbaugh

1218
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: is unique because he's a quarterbacks. He'd be like, got

1219
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: he's for this offensive No, Harbaugh's wired like a linebacker.

1220
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Day's an offensive guy. That's who he is. He's

1221
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: a Chip Kelly mentee, Like that's his style. But I

1222
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: gave him credit because his team could have won that game.

1223
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: Now you're right, they're at the level of like you

1224
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: don't get style, there's no style points here. You're paid

1225
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: a premium to win that fucking game. And when Harba's

1226
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: at his house and they got, you know, a thirty

1227
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: seven year old O line coach rallying the troops. Who,

1228
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: let's face this pretty impressive guy. And maybe as we

1229
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: in ten years, we look back and Sharon Moore is

1230
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: a better coach than Ryan day one day he gets

1231
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: big program and dominates, So that might age. Well, I

1232
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's just a lock that age is poorly.

1233
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: But you didn't get embarrassed. Now that's not the bar.

1234
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: But I saw someone maybe it was Dan Dakich on

1235
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: my Twitter timeline today he's like everyone always thinks that,

1236
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: like Bo scham Bleckler or Woody Hayes, like all these

1237
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: guys went undefeated against their rival, like Nick Saban easily

1238
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: could have lost against Auburn. Nick Saban has lost against Auburn,

1239
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,479
Speaker 1: Woody Hayes, Bo shamb Black, they lost against the Fox.

1240
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: The only guy who was undefeated was Urban Meyer, Who's

1241
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: the only guy. And let's face it, like some of

1242
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: Urban's teams, it would have been harder against this version

1243
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: of Harbaugh. Pretty sure he got when he got there, right?

1244
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: Who was was Harbaugh there the whole time? Maybe he was,

1245
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: but he kicked Harbu's asked for a while, and it

1246
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: was embarrassing for Harbaugh. I would say this, he can't

1247
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: lose four in a row. He loses four games in

1248
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: a row, especially at home, that'd be two home losses

1249
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: fireball fence. Now here's what I will say about Ryan Day.

1250
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not some Ryan Day supporter. I'm not some

1251
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: guy banging the table like Ryan Day's some superstar. Who

1252
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: would you hire? Like right now? Now you can get

1253
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: people to come like you would steal basically any coach

1254
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: except like Nick Saban. Obviously Dabbo doesn't make that much

1255
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: sense for you because he's other guy. But like in Kirby,

1256
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: other than that, like you, obviously Hardball wouldn't come, But like,

1257
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: who who are your options? You'd be like Rabel prabably

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Speaker 1: leaving the NFL for fucking nil and kissing eighteen year olds.

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Speaker 1: Ass The NFL is all about capitalism. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to fake it and pretend and live in this giant fugazi.

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Speaker 1: I pick you and I cut you. College is like

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Speaker 1: you gotta play both sides. So you're not getting Mike Rabel, Like,

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Speaker 1: who are you getting Mike Tomlin? No, these are the

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Speaker 1: names you're gonna throw out because like, who are your

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Speaker 1: college options? Seriously, who are your college options? Dan Lanning,

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Speaker 1: Kaylin Duboor, some of those type guys? Are they a

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Speaker 1: lot to do better beat Michigan? I don't know. Now,

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01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: maybe your guys standards are just like, we gotta get better.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Have you checked out the season of

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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks yet? I love McDaniel before, but getting to

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Speaker 1: see more of the real hymn around the team has

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Speaker 1: made me love him even more. I have not watched

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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks. I want to watch in season Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 1: I want to watch the Barry Sanders documentary. I'm watching this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I got into it. I mean,

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01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: I didn't she chose it, but this documentary not a documentary.

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Speaker 1: This show on Apple Plus. This girl is like a

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Speaker 1: scientist as a cook. I forget the name. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the trending shows on Apple Plus. I'm two episodes in.

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Speaker 1: Not bad, not bad. There's some limitations on what to watch.

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Speaker 1: You know. The hard part is when you do this

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Speaker 1: for a living, When I was a single guy. I

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01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: just watched whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. So it's

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01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: like all this football, all the sports, and then like

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Speaker 1: what do you want to watch your free time? I'll

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Speaker 1: just watch in season Hard Knocks. She does like Mike

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Speaker 1: McDaniel calls him the funny guy, the name we call

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Speaker 1: him in the house. It'd just be hard at night

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Speaker 1: at like nine o'clock, you kind of get in bed

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Speaker 1: to relax, to be like you want to watch in

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Speaker 1: season Hard Knocks, you know. So it's gets as you

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Speaker 1: age your sports consumption. Even when you do this for

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Speaker 1: a living, you get you don't get the full control

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: Wednesday day, Tuesday and Friday night. Sometimes you gotta relent.

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01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: But words of advice to min youngins not even words

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Speaker 1: of advice, it's a word of reality question. Why would

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts be on the top of the MVP conversation

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: and not Dak Prescott? Last year all we heard about

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Speaker 1: was Prescott throwing picks and now and how he had

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Speaker 1: regressed and the talks of the Cowboys is beating up

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Speaker 1: sub five hundred teams. Last year, Hurts was dominating on

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Speaker 1: a week schedule and was in the MVP talk and

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01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: now again he's in the MVP talk and has ten

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Speaker 1: picks and is on track for fifteen. Can you make

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01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: it make sense? Well, he has eleven eighteen, so he

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01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: has twenty nine total touchdowns and his team is ten

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Speaker 1: and one. And they played you and Dak was awesome,

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01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: and Dak kind of fucked up. He just did took

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Speaker 1: some bad sacks, stepped out of bounds, and that was

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Speaker 1: kind of the difference in the game. We all watched it,

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Speaker 1: and we saw Dak play the forty nine ers and

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Speaker 1: get Curbston. Now Jalen plays bad against the Niners, Dak

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Speaker 1: out plays him again against the Cowboys. We can have

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Speaker 1: a new conversation. But, like Dak, I'm sorry, you just

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Speaker 1: don't get that much credit, you know, destroying some of

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Speaker 1: these teams. You just don't when you lose the games

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Speaker 1: that you have to win to like make it a

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Speaker 1: no brainer. I'm with you. Like Dak is, he's definitely

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Speaker 1: alive for the Most Valuable Player. He goes off Thursday

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Speaker 1: night football against Seattle against with all of us watching,

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Speaker 1: beats the Eagles the following week. I have no problem

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Speaker 1: having the conversation, but you can't lose that game. At home,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if Jalen has a couple of touchdowns

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Speaker 1: against you and he beats you, like, I'm sorry, the

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Speaker 1: Eagles defense is exactly the eighty five Bears. Reggie White

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Speaker 1: and Jerome Brown ain't walking through that door. Even though

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Speaker 1: the d line is good, there's you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: their linebacking corps is a problem right now. They're EPA,

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Speaker 1: They're estimated, you know, yards per play. It's not ideal

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Speaker 1: right now. I'm not the biggest analytical breakdown guy on defense,

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Speaker 1: but I just I saw some stats online that were like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just watch them play. I mean, their

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Speaker 1: defense is not great? Is the Bears Panthers trade potentially

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Speaker 1: the worst trade in the history of Carolina. You trade

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Speaker 1: up and get a quarterback who's certainly behind Stroud and

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Speaker 1: maybe behind Richardson in terms of what you saw early

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Speaker 1: in the season. You also trade a bona fide number

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Speaker 1: one two second round picks, worst of all, the number

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Speaker 1: one overall pick. Hard to recall a trade that set

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Speaker 1: a franchise behind in such a variety of ways. Here's

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Speaker 1: the biggest kick in the balls is clearly you would

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Speaker 1: have been just as shitty with most quarterbacks so you

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01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: could have just drafted someone at nine, been terrible with

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Speaker 1: quarterback whoever potentially got the number one pick, and just

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Speaker 1: got Caleb who would have been the number one pick

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Speaker 1: in last year's draft. So yeah, I mean, now these

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Speaker 1: things change, right A year ago? How two months ago

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson trade looked like the craziest trade of all time.

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Speaker 1: It's still a massive, massive win for Seattle and still

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Speaker 1: one that Denver would do over if they could. The

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans trade to the Browns, It's hard to not

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Speaker 1: see them winning it overwhelmingly. This one. We got a

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Speaker 1: ways to go. Bryce is, you know, in a disastrous situation,

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01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: but it looks pretty shitty. I was reading maybe Albert

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Speaker 1: Breer wrote an article about David Tepper, Like, think about this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if Trent Williams, Nick Bosa, Christian McCaffrey, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Christian McAffrey is one of the best players, one of

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Speaker 1: the best teams, a fucking superstar. They traded him for

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Speaker 1: a second and a third. Right, Dj Moore was part

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Speaker 1: of this package. You had those two guys in your team,

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Speaker 1: you know you did. Now, I got trading Christian, But like, listen,

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Speaker 1: you do something at the time, like, yeah, I sold

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Speaker 1: my house, man, I made a lot of money, million dollars. Well,

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Speaker 1: if two years later that million dollar house worth four

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Speaker 1: million dollars, you might have a regret on that one.

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Speaker 1: You don't think the Panthers would want Christian McCaffrey over

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Speaker 1: what's his name from Penn State. You don't think they

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Speaker 1: want Dj Moore back. I said at the time, like,

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Speaker 1: you're not extending these defensive linemen, especially Brian Burns. Why

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Speaker 1: didn't you just give them Brian Burns and keep Dj

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Speaker 1: Moore for your young quarterback. You got the defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: draft to some more pass rushers to sign a pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: I think that's one they'd like back. If you could

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Speaker 1: redo that trade, you would keep Dj Moore who's under contract,

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Speaker 1: and trade Brian Burns, and maybe you wouldn't have to

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01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 1: trade as much. You're like, I'm trading you a premium

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Speaker 1: pass rusher who you're gonna pay. It actually would have

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Speaker 1: been a win win for everybody. Obviously Dj Moore is

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01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: a really good player in the Bears. But maybe they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have to do the sweat deal. They could. I

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Speaker 1: don't know it just I think it was all off.

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01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the Carolina Panthers trade is easily

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01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: right as we sit here right now, looks like one

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01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: of the worst deals of all time. Now, the world's fluid,

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01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: just like trades. Things age better, things age poorly. What

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Speaker 1: to see I would probably bet I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this will age as bad as it looks right now.

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01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: I have a hard time ever seeing like, oh, win win,

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01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, like when the Vikings traded Digs to the

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01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and then they drafted justin Jefferson's like win win,

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 1: like one of the rares, like oh, I love this trade.

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Speaker 1: Bills are happy they got a sweet player, Vikings are

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01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: happy they got a superstar just like every it just

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: worked out. Does not feel like that has any chance

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01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: of happening with this so worst trade in Carolina Panthers history.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the the wiki up of all their trades.

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Speaker 1: It feels like it'd be up there, though definitely appreciate

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Speaker 1: everyone listening audios the volume