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Speaker 2: iHeart Relac, Welcome in. I want to make you ahead

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Speaker 2: of something, because what will happen is you'll get pulled

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Speaker 2: into a conversation okay, and you'll have people who tell

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Speaker 2: you like that, like things like, well, running backs are

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Speaker 2: back and they're they're back to getting the right kind

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Speaker 2: of deals. And don't get me wrong, the running back

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Speaker 2: market has been helped recently by some of these deals.

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Speaker 2: But James Cook, who was a hold in, got a

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Speaker 2: new contract with the Buffalo Bills, and he was in

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Speaker 3: He's a huge.

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Speaker 2: Component to one of the best teams in football. But

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Speaker 2: if you look at the deal, and the details haven't

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Speaker 2: come out yet, but they're easy enough to read. It's

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Speaker 2: a four year, forty eight million dollar deal. Oh, running

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Speaker 2: back getting four years? Yeah, well, it's thirty million dollars guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: So what's that likely mean? Likely means that it's a

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Speaker 2: two and a half year guarantee, much like all of

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Speaker 2: these guys have signed they don't want to get in

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Speaker 2: bed with a running back for too long. They just don't,

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Speaker 2: you know, because as soon as they start to age,

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, now their value decreases greatly.

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Speaker 2: So all we want to do is, I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is a kid who's what he's about to turn twenty

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Speaker 3: Okay, so he was coming up on his fourth year.

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Speaker 2: He had his fifth year extension, and I'm sure all

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Speaker 2: the money, the guaranteed money runs out when he gets

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Speaker 2: it is slightly better than running backs for getting, but

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Speaker 2: it hasn't changed the market greatly.

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Speaker 2: Every day at this time of The Gottlieb Show, in

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Speaker 2: our good friend Dan Byer guest hosting for Covenio and

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Speaker 2: Rich talking about your door.

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Speaker 4: What I'm talking about of just of of the control.

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Speaker 4: So the NFL is just control freaks and they have

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Speaker 4: an individual wanting to do his own thing. I think

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Speaker 4: teams were put off by that. I don't think he

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Speaker 4: And you're going to when I say that this is

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Speaker 4: why he was drafted in the fifth round. That's what

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about. Now, there's some clarification about the interview

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Speaker 4: that he did with Tony Grossi, who's covered Cleveland sports

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Speaker 4: for decades, and Tony admitted on ESPN Cleveland Today saying,

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Speaker 4: you know what I appreciated about Shador is he didn't

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Speaker 4: be a major in Diamond. That's I'm actually surprised on

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Speaker 4: how it took off because there's nothing, there's zero about

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Speaker 4: Shador has done none of that except to get a

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Speaker 4: couple of speeding tickets. Yeah, like that's that's what it's

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Speaker 2: it's just about being engaged and showing you want the job.

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Speaker 2: They make no mistake about it. They the Sanders camp

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Speaker 2: blew this thing. Hey, the Sanders camp.

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Speaker 2: Because most guys, you bring them in and they blow

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Speaker 2: And he clearly irritated teams that he wasn't going to

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Speaker 2: I don't think it has anything to do with with

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Speaker 2: with off the field stuff. Obviously, you don't want him

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Speaker 3: It's can you lead?

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Speaker 2: And if you walk in like you know what, doesn't

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Speaker 5: You could argue, of all the rookie quarterbacks, he was

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Speaker 5: throwing to the weakest receiving corps. This morning, I went

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Speaker 5: the Cleveland Browns in this game. Eight are undrafted. One

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Speaker 5: Now I remember James Thrash, no relation Jamari Thrash. Gauge

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Speaker 5: Larva Dan Larva Dan I thought was a headache medication.

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Speaker 5: And this is what he did, with the exception of

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Speaker 5: I mean, Colorado had the forty second best defense. His

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Speaker 2: I mean, now Collins in the other camp, Oh, he

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Speaker 2: did it. Look he's hurt. He's not going to play

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Speaker 2: this preseason game, which listen, you played a he played

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Speaker 2: now let's see what everybody else does with those same

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Speaker 2: wide receivers. You know, it'll give the Dylan Gabriels of

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Speaker 2: with how he played. I didn't love this showing up

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Speaker 2: and ball and guys by in. It doesn't really matter,

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Speaker 2: you know what we say. It's about the guys in

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Speaker 2: they think can lead them the best. That's literally it it.

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Speaker 2: Here's Chris Broussard talking about Texas not being favored against

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Speaker 6: But this is absolutely disrespectful. Are we number one or not?

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Speaker 6: I get it. It's in Columbuses in Ohio, but still

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Speaker 6: is the football field. There's still one hundred yards, the

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Speaker 3: The same size.

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Speaker 6: If we're the best team in the country, then we're

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Speaker 7: Don't make us.

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Speaker 6: Number one in the preseason and then say, you know what,

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Speaker 6: I mean, so it is absolutely and they're not even

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Speaker 6: it's not even like as great as Ohio State is

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Speaker 7: They're number three.

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Speaker 6: Penn State is number two, so it is completely disrespect

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't agree with Chris.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Ohio State is there, ain't three and they're

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Speaker 2: deemed an upset, right, Just shouldn't because that's not by definition,

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Speaker 2: And upset by definition is when the team who's favored loses,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to tell Chris this one, but

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Speaker 3: That's what the Fox said.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, be sure to catch live editions of the

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific

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Speaker 3: Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 1: And now it's your annoy.

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Speaker 8: said this very alarming thing. Now, the the best thing

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Speaker 8: he just shouldn't say out loud. Basically, Michael Porter is

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Speaker 8: saying in this podcast what is probably said in locker

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Speaker 7: But think about it, if you could get all your homies

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Speaker 2: No, it's very much ancient ancient Rome Roman gladiator, you know,

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Speaker 2: But it also shows how good a dude Greg Olsen

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Speaker 2: Olsen is why could we play for you? Because we can't.

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Speaker 2: That's it for the end of the Bonus podcast. You

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Speaker 2: got the radio show every day three to five years

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Speaker 2: from twelve two Pacific, Fox Sports Tradio.

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Speaker 3: iHeart Radio app. I'm Doug Gottlieb.