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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Numbers Game with Brian Grodowski. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for being here. It is the end of

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Speaker 1: into next year. I will get that episode done though.

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Speaker 1: For you guys, I look forward to it. If you

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Speaker 1: have questions about question about running for office or what

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Speaker 1: that's like, or about the inside track of working in politics,

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Speaker 1: email me Ryan at Numbers Game podcast dot com and

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Speaker 1: Ryan at numbers Plour Numbers Game podcast dot com and

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Speaker 1: I'll get to that. Put in the headline campaign episode.

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Speaker 1: I love to answer that when we get to it.

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Speaker 1: So for this episode, I thought we'd have a little fun.

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Speaker 1: I was a guest on a show called The McLaughlin

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Speaker 1: basically be political talk shows. Have you Political TALKSHS? And

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Speaker 1: Biggest loser for me is Elis Staphonic. She went from

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Speaker 1: and it is over with a whimper, not a bang tom.

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Speaker 2: Best politician of the year, Malki Rubio from being someone

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Speaker 3: He came from nowhere, four year veteran and I use

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my best politician. We did not coordinate this by that.

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Speaker 1: Tom for me, Kiss.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, Ryan, I was going to say Curtis Sliwell,

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Speaker 1: Fair.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to choose as a Democrat Jack Schlosberg, who

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Speaker 3: I find humiliating. I don't know what he thinks he's doing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why he's running for Congress. He has

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Speaker 3: And he's another one of those Kennedy people that shows

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Speaker 4: And the question, of course is why why would we

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Speaker 3: Because I am Jack Kennedy's grandson. No, I don't think

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Speaker 3: so he's a terrible politician. You should get out of

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Speaker 1: Well, My worst politician was Prime Minister Keir Starmer of

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Speaker 2: Tom, I think the Trump tariff announcements with that big

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Speaker 1: How about you, Claire. Most of finding I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Say, the refusal of the Indiana legislature to run a

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Speaker 1: My most of finding political moment was Liberation Day. Trump

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Speaker 1: really no going around it. Most charismatic, tom.

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Speaker 2: I say this as someone who is I think the

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Speaker 2: as well as sanctions.

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Speaker 1: So bear that in mind. But Vladimir Putin is my

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Speaker 2: At the conduct of the war in Ukraine, acts have

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Speaker 2: still an ability to woo with those KGB red Banner

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Speaker 2: Lorndra Modi, she's saying, you know, Putin is certainly not

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Speaker 1: Well, Claire, most charismatic.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to go with Graham Platner, who is

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Speaker 3: to dislodge Maner's love her. Graham Plattner is an oysterman.

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Speaker 3: The party came to him and said we'd like you

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Speaker 3: to run. He's part of a new breed of Democratic

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Speaker 3: just say Graham does in fact own his own oyster business.

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Speaker 3: Janet Mills came into the race, the very popular governor

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Speaker 4: Immediately.

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Speaker 3: This whole thing about the tattoos that he got in

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Speaker 3: screwed up things and it's over. So I think he's

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Speaker 3: You should see his meetings are full of enthusiastic people,

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be the youngest person in

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Speaker 1: whole wait exactly. My most charismatic is Italian Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: Georgia Maloney. She has managed to become the most powerful

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Speaker 1: EU and the entire West. Best comeback, Tom, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to play off what you said earlier, Ryan and Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 1: I think the ability to translate this sort of make

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Speaker 1: the guy has reshaped his political narrative and looks, you know,

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Speaker 1: potentially strong going into twenty twenty eight. How about you

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Speaker 1: best comeback Layer.

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Speaker 3: I'm going with Mikey Cheryl. How can I not go

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Speaker 3: with Mikey Cheryl. You know, she was at a neck

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Speaker 3: have a lot of juice behind him. We had rising

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Speaker 3: Republican registrations in New Jersey, as you've been documenting. Ryan

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Speaker 3: and Mikey Cheryl just nailed it thirteen points, and you know,

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Speaker 3: God voters back from Trump and made the Democratic Party

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Speaker 3: sit up and say, wait a second, maybe our old

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Speaker 3: ways of looking at things aren't going to work anymore.

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Speaker 4: Yay, Mikey Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: Her polster was an assana with one of my friends

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Speaker 1: and he told her she's running for president twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: Just no, women, please, please just know.

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Speaker 1: My first comeback is not a politician. It is Lye

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Speaker 1: Liam and Noel Gallagher of the band Oasis. After fifteen

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Speaker 1: years of absolutely hating each other, the brothers came back

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Speaker 1: for a massive tour around the world. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: could you not root for that comeback? Most original thinker, Tom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it has to be Donald Trump again.

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Speaker 2: You know, whatever you think of his policies, the consistent

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Speaker 2: ability to invent in one day, you know, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: Write a great example of this in the from Policy says,

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Speaker 2: what is she going to do tomorrow when Ukraine? Is

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Speaker 2: he going to blame Zeletski's he going to get blame putin?

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Speaker 2: You know what what mighty do? And you know, whether

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Speaker 2: obviously domestically, you know, his ability to invent in any

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Speaker 2: seem to be now depleting his ability to corral the

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Speaker 2: test Matte's original thinker, most original thinker Claire Well.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go with two people who work together,

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Speaker 3: Thomas Massey of Kentucky and Rocanna of California, for reviving

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Speaker 3: the use of the discharge petition in the Epstein case.

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Speaker 4: Out of five.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and sixty three discharge petitions that have been filed

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Speaker 3: since nineteen thirty one, only twenty six of them have

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Speaker 1: My original thinker is big balls on the other nineteen

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Speaker 1: just can. They decrease the federal workforce by ten percent

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Speaker 1: you've heard that it doesn't happen. Most stagnant thinker tom.

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Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders, in the sense that the political theater that

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Speaker 2: clearly giving way now to AOC to ma'm darni, there

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Speaker 2: is a new political narrative that I think Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: But again, I think clearly a changing with the god there,

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Speaker 3: How about you, Claire, Chuck Schumer, Chuck Schumer, Chuck Schumer.

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Speaker 3: He's done, he's cooked. Stick a fork in him, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think the again, the old democratic thinking that you

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Speaker 4: I think that's over. And I think he can't think

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Speaker 3: Moves too fast for him, which is of course what

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Speaker 1: Most stagnant thinker for me is Tim Woltz, the governor

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Speaker 1: I don't see a Tim Wolls for President sign coming

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Speaker 1: up on anyone's house over anytime soon. Capitalists the Year,

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Speaker 1: in video, but I think it's a profound mistake that

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Speaker 1: he is. If you should have invested a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, I mean, if we all could have, we

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Speaker 1: would have been oh you did, I did.

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Speaker 2: But he should not be selling those chips to China

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Speaker 2: because American sailors, if we go to war with China,

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Speaker 2: will die because of that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, this film Nvidia, I do not make that

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Speaker 1: as a monk. Yeah, absolutely, Claire Capitalist of the Year.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm going with Barry Weiss.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about somebody who set herself up as a

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Speaker 3: contrarian when she was in college. She goes to The

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Speaker 3: New York Times as the sort of conservative affirmative action higher.

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Speaker 3: She leaves the New York Times with everybody hating her,

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Speaker 3: she starts a sub stack. She is now sitting on

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty million dollars payout and is in

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Speaker 3: charge of the CBS newsroom. Granted, she's having some problems,

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Speaker 3: but I have never seen a young person move up

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Speaker 3: the ladder so fast, make money so fast, and position

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Speaker 3: herself as a leader in the industry.

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Speaker 1: And wants to host every television episode on CBS. Apparently.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And we'll give you Stephen Miller's telephone number if

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Speaker 3: you want it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: My Capitalist of the Year is Todd Graves, the founder

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Speaker 1: of Raising Canes. They surpassed KFC as the third largest

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Speaker 1: chicken fried chicken food chain in the country, and he's

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Speaker 1: going to be one of the top one hundred richest

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Speaker 1: Americans next year likely. So I mean I from Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: born and bred American. I'm pretty it's pretty astounding where

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Speaker 1: you can go. Anole mentioned Tom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the continuing cursion of drones across Europe.

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Speaker 2: We saw it obviously in New Jersey in December last year,

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Speaker 2: but now it seems to be a lot in Europe,

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Speaker 2: and some of these, you know, seem to be very strange,

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Speaker 2: hard to bring down even with the most advanced technology.

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Speaker 2: Sort of plays into this UFO subject a little bit,

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Speaker 2: which I've always been quite interested in. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of brain, there's a lot of a lot

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Speaker 2: of a lot of craziness in that subject. But look,

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Speaker 2: whether it's drones or something else, clearly we have a

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Speaker 2: inability to defend their space. And as the Ukraine War

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Speaker 2: has shown, this technological technological evolution is going to create

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Speaker 2: some seismic effects I think across the political military dimension.

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Speaker 3: Claire arnoill mention, my honorable mention goes to measles. We've

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Speaker 3: had these measles outbreaks. We've got more people with diagnosed

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Speaker 3: with measles this year than we have in any previous year.

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Speaker 4: Measles has become the fulcrum around.

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Speaker 3: Which the MAHA movement is turning, and the reason I

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Speaker 3: would like to see it covered more. Is I think

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Speaker 3: the majority of people who are very, very anxious about

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Speaker 3: the effects of vaccines and reluctant to give the children

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Speaker 3: vaccines are really unaware of the kind of damage it does.

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Speaker 3: And people talk about measles killing you, but in fact

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Speaker 3: it also makes you deafit it makes you blind, erects

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Speaker 3: your heart. I mean, they're just a range of things

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Speaker 3: that can happen to children who get measles, and I

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Speaker 3: would like to see more coverage of the disease itself

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Speaker 3: and treat anti vaxxers as though they were thinking breathing

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Speaker 3: human beings who really want the best for their children.

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Speaker 1: That's great. Under my honorable mention is the utter collapse

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Speaker 1: of the birth rate in South America and Latin America

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Speaker 1: as a whole. No nation in the whole of Latin

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Speaker 1: America has a birth rate at fertility level. A bunch

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Speaker 1: of countries are already seeing population shrinkage. Puerto Rico is

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Speaker 1: the fastest declining place in the entire Western hemisphere, Cubis

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Speaker 1: following and other countries will follow there soon after. There's

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Speaker 1: also a big push in most parts of Europe to

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Speaker 1: bring the descendants of European immigrants back from Argentina and

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Speaker 1: Brazil to Europe to deal with their at youth crisis.

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Speaker 1: So Honoble mentioned my here best political theater the reaction

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Speaker 1: to the death of Charlie Cook.

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Speaker 2: As much as that was motivation on some clearly to

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Speaker 2: try and present themselves into the public domain and use

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Speaker 2: it to their own advantage, there was a pretty bipartisan

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Speaker 2: sense of revulsion, you know, again, whether the motive was

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Speaker 2: perhaps not as morally pure with some as with others.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a positive moment for the country

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Speaker 2: that everyone could I mean, it should have been right,

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Speaker 2: and it shows how bad I think things have become

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Speaker 2: that we I would even say this, but but it

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Speaker 2: was a moment of unity, and I think that's that's positive.

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Speaker 3: Best local theater, Claire, I'm going to go with something

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Speaker 3: a lot lighter, the unraveling of George Santos.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was very helpful for we Democrats who were just

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Speaker 3: like devastated after the last election, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: all this Santos stuff starts coming out and it's just bonkers.

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Speaker 3: It is like the most bonkers reality show, and more

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Speaker 3: and more weird stuff kept coming out about the dogs.

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Speaker 3: He had that whole thing about nine to eleven, and

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Speaker 3: I was like, wait a second, didn't that happen to

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Speaker 3: Ryan's mother?

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Speaker 4: Did it happen to your mother too?

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Speaker 3: And you know, it was so much fun and it

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Speaker 3: was so much fun to watch it play out. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not even sorry that Trump pardoned him and got

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Speaker 3: him out of jail. I'm sorry that the people to

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Speaker 3: whom he owes hundreds of thousands of dollars aren't going

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Speaker 3: to get their money.

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Speaker 4: But on a certain level, it was totally worth it

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Speaker 4: the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: George told people that we were childhood friends, and I

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Speaker 1: met him when I was like thirty four years old,

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Speaker 1: Like told many people me and him grew up.

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Speaker 3: He's a sociopath, but he's some kind sociopag.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's one hundred percent true. People stopped talking to

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Speaker 1: me afterwards, like, how could you not tell me you

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Speaker 1: grew up with him? I said, that's another lie. Best

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Speaker 1: political theater for me was Zoramandani's debate for the New

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Speaker 1: York City Debate, when they asked him what country would

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Speaker 1: you visit first, as if the mayor of des Moines

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Speaker 1: has asked what country they're going to visit first, and

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Speaker 1: he said, I want to stay in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Was a great political theater moment. Everyone else was saying

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Speaker 1: different countries. It was very very smart at when viral

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Speaker 1: and mayoral debates very rarely ever go viral. Tom Worres's

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Speaker 1: political theater.

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Speaker 2: The Trump Sinetski meeting in February, I thought, you know it,

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Speaker 2: pay Selatski made a huge strategic hora and turning up

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Speaker 2: in a say and not playing to Trump's ego, and

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Speaker 2: a good leader has to do what a good leader

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Speaker 2: has to do in the moment. But I thought it

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Speaker 2: was very unseemly and unsightly for a country, a democratic

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Speaker 2: country that's under attack to be hected in that way,

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Speaker 2: and I think played to a lot of discomfort among

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Speaker 2: American allies and supporter of the best American values around

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 1: Worst political theater, Claire.

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Speaker 3: Well everything that Christy nom does, and I would say

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Speaker 3: the high point was appearing in front of SEACUT wearing

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Speaker 3: a fake military uniform as a dollar gold rolex.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the.

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Speaker 3: Woman has absolutely no sense of what it means to

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Speaker 3: be added public and her.

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Speaker 1: Wig probably costs more than that. Oh my god, my

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Speaker 1: worst political in the theater theater was Trump meeting with

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Speaker 1: Mandani and at the end of it, Trump's talking over

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Speaker 1: the media, not letting Mandani answer. And when he says

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Speaker 1: there and says, you know, is is he a socialist

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Speaker 1: or in Islamist or whatever the question was, and he

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Speaker 1: said no, which ended at least a find his campaign.

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Speaker 1: And then when n evens asks a question but trumping

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Speaker 1: a fascists, he said, don't answer that. You can call

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Speaker 1: me that horrible political theater on Behalving. For other Republicans,

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Speaker 1: it was definitely a head scratcher where I couldn't understand

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Speaker 1: where it was going. Most underreported story, Tom, you think

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Speaker 1: the Chinese encirclement of Taiwan and increasing pressure against the

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Speaker 1: Philippines in the South China see in the Philippines Exclusive

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Speaker 1: Economic Zone ramming ships are doing a lot of things

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Speaker 1: and that matters.

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Speaker 2: And why is it underreported Because the US is a

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Speaker 2: treaty defense ally of the Philippines. We are obliged under

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Speaker 2: treaty law to come to their aid and the Chinese

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Speaker 2: are very aggressively pushing the line. Their one miscalculation, one

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Speaker 2: choice could spark a conflict that frankly a lot of

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Speaker 2: people would not have seen coming.

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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't see that. I didn't actually know that

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Speaker 1: at all, Claire. Most unreported story.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, I have to stick close to Tom.

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Speaker 3: He clearly knows a lot of things that I don't,

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Speaker 3: and I feel like such a lightweight next to him.

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Speaker 3: But the most underreported story for me is what happened

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Speaker 3: to the QAnon networks dropped out of the news completely

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Speaker 3: q and On when it formed us. Q Andon had

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Speaker 3: come from a bunch of other conspiracist tendencies in United

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Speaker 3: States history that had been around for decades, some of

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Speaker 3: them over a century. And now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: nobody's interested in QAnon anymore.

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Speaker 4: And I actually want.

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Speaker 3: To know what they're thinking, what they're doing, how they're

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Speaker 3: handling the dithering about the Epstein files. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's reporting somebody needs to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Most under reports for me is the ongoing fight

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Speaker 1: in the Republican Party over AI. Republican governors in deep

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Speaker 1: red states like Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Tennessee, and Texts are

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Speaker 1: pushing for more AI regulations. Every poll shows a majority

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Speaker 1: of voters are want more AI regulation, and President Trump's

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Speaker 1: second most amount of executive orders after tariffs are on

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Speaker 1: deregulating AI. He is the AI acceleration. As president, he

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Speaker 1: wants as much AI possible business as possible, and it

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Speaker 1: is causing a real conversation over the issues of federalism

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Speaker 1: and the future of technology in our country. Most over

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Speaker 1: reported storytime slightly weird one here, I think, but the

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Speaker 1: continuing obsession on Jamal Kashogi anytime we talk about US

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Speaker 1: Saudi relations it's a media fixation for obvious reasons. He

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Speaker 1: was brutally murdered by Bence OLMBN Salmon's orders. But look,

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Speaker 1: international politics is the sum of more than one man.

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Speaker 1: That there is a lot more to the US Saudi

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Speaker 1: relationship than that, for good or real. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's a good example of media of a challenge in

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Speaker 1: the media that an obviously emotional point is being translated

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Speaker 1: into too much coverage. Is it relevant? Yes? Is it

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Speaker 1: the biggest issue? Not by a long shot. Most over

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Speaker 1: reported story for you, Claire.

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Speaker 3: Well, once again, I come in as the Phil donaghue

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Speaker 3: to Tom's.

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Speaker 4: William at Buckley. But I'm going to go with Olivia

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Speaker 4: Nutsi and Ryan Lizza.

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Speaker 3: The most absurd breakup of the year, journalists all over

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Speaker 3: the place wetting their pants over Olivia having sex of

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Speaker 3: some car with RFK Junior, who did not win the presidency,

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Speaker 3: and Ryan Lizza insisting that there would be no RFK

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Speaker 3: Junior if Olivia had just played it straight and exposed

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Speaker 3: him and so on, when actually he's.

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Speaker 4: Just mad that she left him. Ridiculous, stupid story.

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Speaker 3: And children, if you ever break up with anybody, do

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Speaker 3: not put it on your substack.

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Speaker 4: Never, never, never.

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Speaker 1: It's so crazy. My most over poor story is the

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Speaker 1: ice raids, the ice rates and how they've been characterized

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Speaker 1: as this lawless kidnapping of individuals is a lot of

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Speaker 1: it's overblown, a lot of it is anxiety inducing for

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Speaker 1: no reason. And and it has been though highly effective

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Speaker 1: for President Trump to promote self deportations. He will have

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Speaker 1: the largest decrease of illegal population since Dwight Eisenhower boldest

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Speaker 1: political tactic.

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Speaker 2: Nice to be the Trump tariffs again, you know, the

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Speaker 2: sense of just sweeping that carpet out from under people,

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Speaker 2: the rug, and you know sticking with it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know there have been and deals.

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Speaker 1: That was expectation the truck that the President would significantly backtrack.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't done, so he's tinkering around the edges. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, again, a pretty seismic political decision that has

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Speaker 1: defined the first year of his presipency. How about you

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Speaker 1: clear boldest political tactic.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say Democrats deciding to contest every single

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Speaker 3: congressional district in Texas. They've never done this, and it

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Speaker 3: is not only showing a fighting spirit, but it is

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Speaker 3: the kind of thing Howard Dean was talking about when

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Speaker 3: he was chair of the Democratic Party back in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and six, which is, if you don't fight everywhere,

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Speaker 3: you are in fact going to lose. And I hope

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Speaker 3: what this is showing is that Democrats are starting to

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Speaker 3: abandon this business of like, you know, trying to game

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Speaker 3: out winning the House by three seats or four seats

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Speaker 3: or five seats, go big or go home?

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Speaker 1: Guys. Right, Well that's and you also see which trends

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Speaker 1: how districts are moving when why don't you contest everywhere?

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Speaker 1: My best, my boldest political tactic was when President Trump's

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Speaker 1: decision to bomby Ron but not entering prolonged war working

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Speaker 1: in a broker piece in Israel and Palestine, his entire

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Speaker 1: Middle East policy President Trump has been very bold, very active,

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Speaker 1: and probably one of the most effective presence of Middle

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Speaker 1: East strategy in history. Worst pocal tactic, Tom the Coommanuel

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Speaker 1: mccron is still the ramifications of his decision to call

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Speaker 1: that election. Last year.

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Speaker 2: We see the utter dysfunction of France in terms of

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Speaker 2: the government's inability to manage the parliament to pass laws,

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Speaker 2: and France has a big problem. The trajectory of the

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Speaker 2: aging population is very generous entitlements. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: they get out of it. And mcarn is, you know,

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Speaker 2: reaping the whirlwind if that decision last year worst for about.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say Mike Johnson keeping the House out

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Speaker 3: of session for the entirety of the shutdown that was

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Speaker 3: almost eight weeks that he sent his members home. He's

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Speaker 3: losing control of his caucus in my point of view.

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Speaker 4: And I also.

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Speaker 3: Think it is a bit of a template for how

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Speaker 3: MAGA might actually just fall apart, because those people did

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Speaker 3: not get elected to just sit in their offices until

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Speaker 3: Mike Johnson calls them and tells them to come and

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Speaker 3: vote yes. And so I think there is significant distress

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Speaker 3: in the Republican Party among certainly representatives, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's spreading to the Senate that they are simply not

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Speaker 3: allowed to solve problems that they see in front of them,

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Speaker 3: and that their constituents are complaining about.

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Speaker 1: My worst local tactic was in Europe. It was by

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Speaker 1: Gets Wilders, the head of the Freedom Party, of the

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Speaker 1: National Polics Party. This man has spent twenty years trying

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Speaker 1: to get political power. He finally got it and he

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Speaker 1: dissolved the coalition in one year. What happened was was

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Speaker 1: that the other nationalist parties all gained more seats from him,

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Speaker 1: splintering the vote, and he's out of power again. Twenty

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Speaker 1: years of literally nothing for one year. People do not

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Speaker 1: like it when you're politically unstable. And gears Fielders watched

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Speaker 1: everything that I couldn't believe that he was spending decades

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Speaker 1: to build. It was over. Sorry to see you go, Tom.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm maybe sealing for people.

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Speaker 2: But Rob Reiner, obviously, the specifically the way he responded

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Speaker 2: to Charlie Kirk's death a lot of conciliation, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I thought as attendant as a lot of people did,

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Speaker 2: including in Maga. Interestingly, the President's reaction to Robryna's death

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Speaker 2: I thought was pathetic.

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Speaker 1: How about you, Claire, Sorry to see you go.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to say my friend Susan Brown Miller,

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Speaker 3: who I'm writing a book about a biography of her.

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Speaker 3: She was a radical feminist in the nineteen seventies and

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Speaker 3: I has wrote a landmark book about rape against our

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Speaker 3: will men women in rape, which really transformed the landscape

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Speaker 3: when it came to attending to sexual violence. Susan died

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Speaker 3: in May at the end of a very long and

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Speaker 3: useful life, and I think we and I are going

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Speaker 3: to miss her a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, mine is Charlie Kirk. I mean, I know that

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Speaker 1: it's kind of redundant because it was obviously the most

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Speaker 1: high profile pol political one. But I knew Charlie a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I got to know him since he was

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Speaker 1: eighteen years old, a little by little, and he always

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Speaker 1: got better over time and very fore people who in

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Speaker 1: politics do, and he was a pleasure so and it

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Speaker 1: was nicer to me than I was to him, and

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Speaker 1: I did not always deserve Person of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Tom likes Friedrich Martz, the German chancellor, replacing the most

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Speaker 2: overrated Western leader in terms of Angela Merkel and then

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Speaker 2: obviously Olive Schultz. A kind of you know, wet rag

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Speaker 2: leader in Germany, bolstering Germany stunts in Europe's defense, increasing

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Speaker 2: defense spending, doing all the things that President Trump has

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Speaker 2: been insisting Europe should do for years. Still seems slightly

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Speaker 2: on the outside of the administration. But if you were

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Speaker 2: judging him by what Trump wanted, you would think he

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Speaker 2: would be getting a state visit.

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Speaker 1: So Frederick Mrs Personally Year Claire, I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Say Susie Wiles, first female chief of staff in the

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Speaker 3: White House. She took a Trump campaign that was, as usual,

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Speaker 3: totally incoherent, made.

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Speaker 4: It run, helped him win.

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Speaker 3: She got to shive run to Santas on the way

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Speaker 3: to Washington, which is always fun to watch. And I

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Speaker 3: think Susie Wiles has probably created more coherence in the

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Speaker 3: West Wing than we will see without her, and I

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Speaker 3: would predict that she's going to be gone before the midterms.

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Speaker 3: I think that Vanity Fair story was her way of

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Speaker 3: paving her way out of the White House. But she's

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Speaker 3: definitely Person of the Year for me. I admire her

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Speaker 3: a great deal despite our many differences, and she is

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Speaker 3: a really boss chick.

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Speaker 1: Well, my Person the Year is Marco Rubio a man

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Speaker 1: with seven hundred jobs who managed to sit there and

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Speaker 1: become probably the most not only popular member of the cabinet,

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Speaker 1: but also believed to be the most competent member of

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Speaker 1: the cabinet and has done a lot and may end

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Speaker 1: up remaking foreign policy decisions, helping me make form politicisions

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Speaker 1: throughout Latin America and the Middle East and Europe. So

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Speaker 1: not many people could say the same. Macro prediction Tom

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Speaker 1: last question, Yeah, no end to.

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Speaker 2: The war in Ukraine. Anything the Ukrainians will agree to

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Speaker 2: with President Trump, which I think was sort of nearly there.

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Speaker 2: The Russians will not agree to that decides it too

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Speaker 2: far apart in terms of what they will accept, So

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Speaker 2: I think that will continues. How Trump with that obviously

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Speaker 2: uns Claire Macro prediction.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to say that.

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Speaker 3: The number of states that agegate or require parental consent

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Speaker 3: for social media will at least double in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: They're ten or twelve.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think we'll probably get to twenty four or twenty five,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to see a move for federal legislation

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Speaker 3: on age gating. I think Australia's move has been really

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Speaker 3: big Australia has shown that it can be done and

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Speaker 3: that there is the technology.

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Speaker 4: To make it happen. And I think it's one of

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Speaker 4: the few issues that you see.

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Speaker 3: Real bipartisanship on and that that bipartisanship will start in

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Speaker 3: the state houses, but that it will trickle upward into Congress.

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Speaker 1: My macro prediction is with the rise of AI and

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Speaker 1: the increasing need for our grid to produce more energy

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Speaker 1: and to hold more energy, there is going to be

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Speaker 1: a big push for nuclear energy in the next year

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Speaker 1: coming from the White House. It is going to be

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Speaker 1: one of the few ways that we could sit there

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Speaker 1: and meet the demand which is going to grow exponentially

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Speaker 1: over the next three years. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for doing that. Was so much fun. This was definitely

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Speaker 1: a dream of mind us sit there and be able

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Speaker 1: to do part of those kinds of conversations. And for

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Speaker 1: the record, Tom I was Pappychanan's favorite guest, was I not?

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Speaker 1: You really were? And you know, I think as well.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to think of one of the areas

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Speaker 2: there where we could get Pat in, but no, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: you absolutely were. And Pat would say, you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to do Jim antil a colleague does a

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Speaker 2: great pat impression. But I like that guy. You know

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Speaker 2: that ride. He's good. Let's bring him back. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: you really were. Thank you so much. Thank you guys

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Speaker 2: both for doing Where We'll go get to read more

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Speaker 2: of your stuff. Tom, I mean, just google Tom Rogan,

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Speaker 2: Washington Examiner. Go there and you can enjoy navigating the

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Speaker 2: minefield that is our website. Probably shouldn't say that, but

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, I definitely shouldn't say that. But yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: Tom Rogan and Washington Examiner and Claire Well go, we

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Speaker 2: can read more of your stuff.

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Speaker 3: So listeners can buy my book Political Junkies, which is

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Speaker 3: a history of political media from the Cold War through

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration. And then I have a sub that

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Speaker 3: is of the same name, Political Junkies, that is podcast

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Speaker 3: attached to it. And then you find me all over

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Speaker 3: the place at the New York Times, at the Yel

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Speaker 3: Review and so on and so forth.

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Speaker 1: Where's your Twitter? To real This Tenured.

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Speaker 3: Radical is my Twitter handle, and I'm at Clairepotter dot

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Speaker 3: com is my website.

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Speaker 1: Great, thank you guys both for being here, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. Thanks Roan. Now it's time for asking me Anything.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be part of the Ask Me

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Speaker 1: Anything segment, email me Ryan at Numbers Game podcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's Ryan at Numbers gamepodcast dot com. Plural numbers. Email

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Speaker 1: me any questions. I'll answer anything. This comes from Forrest.

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Speaker 1: Forrest is Hey, Ryan, love the podcast. I have two

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Speaker 1: questions for you. It feel free to ignore if they've

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Speaker 1: already been covered. I highly doubt they have. Forest. My

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Speaker 1: first question is on Ellen Greenberg's murder in Pennsylvania and

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Speaker 1: the alleged quote unquote cover up by Governor Josh Shapiro.

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Speaker 1: Not to get into the weeds, but there's a popular

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Speaker 1: narrative on social media that Ellen couldn't have stepped herself

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Speaker 1: ten times in the back of the neck. But if

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Speaker 1: you look at the autopsy pictures, those stab wounds are

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Speaker 1: very largely shallow, which in my opinion, is consistent of

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Speaker 1: self inflicted wounds. Do you have a take on this.

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Speaker 1: I did not know about this, and I am very

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Speaker 1: embarrassed I didn't because you know, I love a true

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Speaker 1: crime and I love the possibility of an interesting take

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Speaker 1: on true crime. I'm going to look this one up,

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Speaker 1: Forest and really get to the bottom of it. In

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Speaker 1: my own personal investigations. I you know, yeah, if it's

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Speaker 1: a shallow wound, although it would hurt so much, would

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Speaker 1: you keep doing I guess if you're intent on killing yourself,

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Speaker 1: you'll do anything. But also do you know if you've

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Speaker 1: done it enough times to actually I guess bleed out.

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Speaker 1: It very very interesting. I'm going to look up the

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Speaker 1: Ellen Greenberg murder and look this up more thoroughly. I

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Speaker 1: it's also very odd for women to stab themselves. It's

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Speaker 1: weird for anyone to stab themselves in the back of

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Speaker 1: the neck, but women, especially women, usually die. Suicide involves

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Speaker 1: for women most likely to be a pills and stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's not usually a stab wound. It's not really a stabboe.

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Speaker 1: For many people, it's mostly either guns or pills. So

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Speaker 1: I will look that up though. Second question is my

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Speaker 1: thoughts on Michael Tracy's reporting on the Epstein case, and

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Speaker 1: specifically the lack of credibility surrounding the accusers. I personally

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Speaker 1: views reporting as being pole surprised worthy, but curious of

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Speaker 1: your thoughts. So I know Michael Tracy a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We did a debate in the city about the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: I think that he's very smart and very thorough. I

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Speaker 1: think that he's I don't know if he's completely right,

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00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: but I think that he's onto something. There are several

872
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: of the accusers of the Epstein in the Epstein case,

873
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: not all of them, but several whose allegations you can

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00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: kind of poke holes at. Some have sat there and

875
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: said that they were mistaken by who they actually saw

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00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: when they actually saw them. It's it's listen, it happened

877
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: a very long time ago from any of these women.

878
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: Some of them were under influences like drugs and alcohol,

879
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: whether that was force them or not. Some of them

880
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: were very very young. There's also things with trauma, being

881
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: so young that they kind of don't maybe remember clearly.

882
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: And also they're meeting men. Who knows if these men

883
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: are using the actual names. You know, you wouldn't know

884
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 1: who a wealthy person is when you're fifteen years old,

885
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: just because that they're wealthy. And this is also pre internet.

886
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: You're not looking this up on your phone in real time.

887
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: So I could see how a type of social contagion

888
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, by some victims to

889
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: want to accuse how high profile people could be there.

890
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they all are but I'm saying

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00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: I could see how you've been th this horrible thing,

892
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: and you could point that it was you're part of

893
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: the you know, the most horrific thing by the most

894
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: high profile person. I could see that Michael Tracy's done

895
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: a decent job at saying, you know, these victims, some

896
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: of them are not being completely honest. So I don't

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00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: know if he's I don't. I don't wouldn't go as

898
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: far as what Michael's been saying though about it, but

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00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: I do think that he is. I think he's very smart,

900
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: and I think that he's very thorough in his investigative reporting.

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00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. It's from New Jersey. He's

902
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: a good person. His parents, his mom came to the debate,

903
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 1: so she was very lovely. Anyway, that's this episode, guys.

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Speaker 1: I will see you guys. There's the beginning next week.

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Speaker 1: We start three episodes a week, so that'll be very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Please like and subscribe to this podcast. You don't miss

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Speaker 1: any of them, like on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,

908
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: or on youtubecause now we do videos. Thank you guys

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00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: so much. I'll see you guys on Thursday,