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Speaker 1: Radio, radio Radio Commies, a myth and bullshit. A radio

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Speaker 1: phonic novella Look Radio hosted by Man Welcome. Can you

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Speaker 1: hear me? Yeah? Okay, so welcome bueno noche. Can you

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Speaker 1: hear me? I'm very self spoken. UM, So before we

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Speaker 1: So before we get started, like really started, we'd like

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Speaker 1: this space with us. I'm spending your Thursday evening with us.

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Speaker 1: UM we are well to introduce ourselves. I'm and we

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Speaker 1: are the leaders of Dreamer's Welcome, a student org that

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Speaker 1: was founded to fight for and provide resources for the

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Speaker 1: undocumented and documented students on campus as well as in Milwaukee. UM,

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Speaker 1: we are so happy to have had this opportunity to

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Speaker 1: bring Look to Milwaukee to campus is Stritch. And with

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Speaker 1: that being said, Look at the Radio is a radio

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Speaker 1: funding novella that celebrates the experiences and um brilliances of

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Speaker 1: women in firms of color. So with that, without further ado,

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Speaker 1: please help us welcome Look at a Radio. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for that introduction. Thank you, Hi, Milwaukee, how are you doing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming out tonight, for inviting us.

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Speaker 1: This is our first time in the Midwest, the first

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Speaker 1: time in Milwa, Milwaukee, in Wisconsin, everything, And when they

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Speaker 1: where are we? Exactly this the Midwest is the North?

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Speaker 1: The US education system it's flawed, it's it's flot um.

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Speaker 1: But so we're local thought our radio. We are a

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Speaker 1: radiophonic novella archiving the legacies and brilliance of women in

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Speaker 1: firms of color. I'm Fosa and I'm Mala, and we

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Speaker 1: are a radiophonic novella. And a radiophonic novella is really

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Speaker 1: just a very extra way of saying a podcast. We're

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Speaker 1: a podcast, and maybe you were expecting a different image

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Speaker 1: of podcasters, like uh, little anemic looking white guys. So

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Speaker 1: I'm very sorry if we're disappointing tonight, that's no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: We're not sorry. We're not sorry. So thank you all

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Speaker 1: for inviting us to Cardinal Stritch. It's really exciting for

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Speaker 1: us to be here. We talked about the fact that

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Speaker 1: we went to Catholic school. You want to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Catholic school, guest okay um. So I

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Speaker 1: went to Catholic school K through twelve. So my first

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Speaker 1: And that was, like I said, my first time, no uniform,

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Speaker 1: got to like, you know, actually went to all girls

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Speaker 1: if you know anything about Santa Barbara, you know that

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Speaker 1: you went to a convent. I did. I went to

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Speaker 1: a convent. The also escaped the convent I had. I

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Speaker 1: had nuns as teachers. Like I'm like, kid, you not

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Speaker 1: I graduated in two thousand elevens. I wasn't that long ago, right,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago. We're not We're not that

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Speaker 1: you know what? You know what? Also, I haven't shared

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Speaker 1: little mini skirts. Yes, you know. I went to Catholic

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Speaker 1: school to um kindergarten through eighth grade and my mother

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Speaker 1: And we talk about on the podcast, among other things.

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Speaker 1: We have a capito that's called multidimensional Ho. And when

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Speaker 1: we say Ho, we we take it to mean heaven

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Speaker 1: So we talk about multidimensional Ho, right, And a lot

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Speaker 1: being latinas being Catholics, And what we learned is that

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Speaker 1: in our natural element, our poor mothers. Does UM I

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Speaker 1: the bishop or whomever did that whenever, Yes, truly, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's one piece of our story, right escaping the

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Speaker 1: We're not going to dwell on that though, but it's

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Speaker 1: millennial love story because we met on the internet. Right,

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Speaker 1: How many of you chap hands have Internet friends. You've

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Speaker 1: that's how we met, Mala, Can you tell them how

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Speaker 1: we want to introduce ourselves, right. So we were following

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Speaker 1: ever heard of Latina Rebels the Instagram account? Yes, so

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Speaker 1: So we're on Facebook separately because we haven't met yet,

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Speaker 1: a rich man. I remember that story. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: So me and my friend we were like, fuck it, Like,

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Speaker 1: did my research. The Internet is your friend. I went

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Speaker 1: on all the sugaring blogs, all the sugar baby websites.

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Speaker 1: the Google Voice number. I was like, I will not

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Speaker 1: are like happy about that. We make it very clear

425
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: that we do not create for straight men at all

426
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: or ever. That's not our intention and not our goal.

427
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: This is not the space, but if you would like

428
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: to enter humbly and learn right, welcome. We have a

429
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: few of our like consistent stands. There was one where

430
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: do you I can never remember his name, but I

431
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: know it's like which what I'm talking about the way

432
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: that he was like you should have a look at

433
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: the automobile. Yes, that one. So we have like consistent

434
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: stands men that are like respectful, don't send anything creepy

435
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: or weird, but are like consistently like rooting for us. Yeah,

436
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: it is really important and we appreciate that. I think

437
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: this is a good segue into like more about us

438
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: obviously who we are, who we are. So, um, you

439
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: know when we started that we we work full time.

440
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: We have our day jobs, right, we do this podcast.

441
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: It's our passion. This is like our second, third, and

442
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: fourth shift is what we call it. And when we're

443
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 1: not pot casting, we're doing a whole lot of other stuff.

444
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: So do you want to talk about like what you

445
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: were doing when we when we first started. Yeah, So

446
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: when we first started, I was actually a community organizer,

447
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: so I was working with undocumented women, immigrant women and

448
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: facilitating projects, assisting them and facilitating projects in their community.

449
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: So a lot of them because of the community that

450
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: they lived, and they were very, very interested in advocating

451
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: for safety in the parks because they wanted their kids

452
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: to be able to just be in the park and

453
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: be kids right and play. And also, um, we know

454
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: that in communities of color, there is a higher rate

455
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: of pedestrian deaths, so fatal crashes, So that was Another

456
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: thing that they were they were advocating for was safe streets,

457
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: safe parks, and also healthy communities, so making fresh food

458
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: and fruits accessible to their community. So that's something that

459
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: I was working on, and you know, it allowed me

460
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: to learn from these women, right to see the they

461
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: were very innovative in their community and how they were

462
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: making changes. And that also, you know, inspired me to

463
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: do something other than my than my job. Right, I

464
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: want to do something else. I can have my day

465
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: job and I can also have a passion project. So

466
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: that is when I when I reached out to Mala

467
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: and I'm no longer you know, as a community organizer,

468
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: and now I work in the private sector. So I

469
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: have really good health insurance now, thank God, have PPO honestly,

470
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: and I don't have to pay for it, so dream

471
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Um, So I really good health insurance, and

472
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: um I work at nine to five, And that was

473
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: when I left that job. That was my biggest goal

474
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: was not that I want to find my career job,

475
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: because well this is my career, right, but I need

476
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: something to sustain me. So I wanted a nine to

477
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: five that I can clock in, clock out, um and

478
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: be able to work on the podcast, you know, after

479
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: for our second and third fourth shift, like you said,

480
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: And well, now I work with individuals with developmental disabilities

481
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: and we provide living assistance and services for their community.

482
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: And we're all over l A. So it's still social

483
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: justice oriented, you know, it's we're still I'm still providing

484
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: a service, um, and I get to do the podcast,

485
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: So that's exciting. Yeah, when we first met. This is

486
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: a survivor centered podcast as well. And when we say survivor,

487
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: we're talking about survivors of assault and abuse, right. Um.

488
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: You maybe the word survivor has become much more popular

489
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: and mainstream over the past few years with the me

490
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: too and the times Up movement. Um, but these types

491
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: of interactions, assault of interactions have been going on, like

492
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: for Time immortem right, so Time Immortal. So I was

493
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: working as a first responder at a rape crisis center

494
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: when we first met. So. I was working the hotline,

495
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: the l A Rape and Battery Hotline, answering crisis calls,

496
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: UM seven emergency response, responding out to the intensive care unit,

497
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: to the Emerging see room, to the start center for

498
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: rape kits, the police stations, going to criminal court with

499
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: my clients, um helping my clients to get restraining orders,

500
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: to confidentially change their names and relocate. And what I

501
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: saw in the city of Los Angeles was that the

502
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: vast majority of the survivors that came to work with

503
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: us were women of color, the vast, vast, vast majority, right.

504
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: And it was very illuminating to me because I knew

505
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: that we had issues in our community. We've been experiencing

506
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: street harassment since we were little girls, you know. And

507
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: I live in a Latino community, and my goal is

508
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: not to specifically bashed Latino men, but I would like

509
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: for Latino men to be nicer to me, to leave

510
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: me alone sometimes, right, and doing that work, and just

511
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: being in the trenches and in the gutter and seeing

512
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: the types of violences that women like us right are

513
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: are exposed to, often with very little support, very little resources,

514
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: fighting with police to even take a crime rep work,

515
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: the district attorney's office never filing cases. Right, it was

516
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: like a miracle if the city attorney or district attorney

517
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: wanted to file charges um and just and and teaching

518
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: self defense classes, again predominantly to women of color, and

519
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: just really learning that in our communities to stay safe.

520
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: We cannot rely on the police. Sometimes we cannot rely

521
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: on the men in our lives. We end up relying

522
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: on each other ashes and as survivors and sharing information

523
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: with one another. So in starting the podcast as a

524
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: vehicle for storytelling, these stories were at the forefront. And

525
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: I identify as a survivor right of sexual assault as

526
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: well and of relationship violence. And that's part of both

527
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: of our narratives. So when we talk about things like

528
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: fem defense, it's coming from a personal experience, professional, sociological, historical,

529
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: and we try and ground all of our episodes in

530
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: those types of elements when we talk about these things. Yes, yes,

531
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: so where are we gonna? So that's what we're doing

532
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: when we first are we continuing with our names? We

533
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: have another name because we have many names. We do

534
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: because this is a part of the storytelling, right, And

535
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: we also go by last Mommies of myth and Bullshit.

536
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: Does that line sound familiar to anyone? Last mommy Mommies

537
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: of myth and bullshit? Where's that from? Where's that line from? Yes?

538
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: Loose women right right? So she has a poem and

539
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: she says, I am the woman of myth and Bullshit, true,

540
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: I authored some of it. And for us, we're creating

541
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: our own narratives, right, and storytelling has been a part

542
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: of our communities, you know, for centuries essentially, um. But

543
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: as the podcast, we're actually archiving it. So we're archiving

544
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: the geniuses and brilliance and legacies of women in firms

545
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: of colors. So not only our own stories, but the

546
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: stories of all the women and the fems that we interview, right,

547
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: the artist, the poets, the creators, the chefs, all these

548
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: different women that come on the show and talk about

549
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: the work that they're doing. Right. So that's that's what

550
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: we're authoring, that's what we're creating, and that's what we're archiving. Yeah. Um,

551
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: we talk about the podcast is being, um a work

552
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: in counter narrative. And when we say that, we like

553
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: to take like old thoughts and adages and opinions and

554
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: flip them and find the other side. So our very

555
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: first CuPy below we called it looka epistemologies. Do you

556
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about like the content

557
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: of that first episode? So in epistemology, Um, what is

558
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: an epistemology? Y'aller college students, I know that you know,

559
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: I know that we have Socich students in here. You

560
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: read yes, the study of religion, UM, so close close?

561
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: Did you want to answer? We guy? I saw you nodding. Okay.

562
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: So epistemology is the study, uh and knowing of of something, right,

563
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: So the way that we examine something. So that's what

564
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: an epistemology is. It's the point of view of something.

565
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: So for loca pistemologies, we're examining UM all our content

566
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: from a loca lens essentially, So that's the lens that

567
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: we're examining. The narratives, So the counter culture that we're

568
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: talking about are the counter narratives that we're talking about um.

569
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: For one, Well, for our very first episode, we talked

570
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: about La Malinche. So who's familiar with right and so

571
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: generally in our oral histories and our understandings of La Malinche,

572
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: is she a positive, celebrated woman in our histories? No?

573
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: What is she in our histories? To the trader? So

574
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: the story of La malin you want to go? So

575
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: the sorry la right is that when the Spanish conquises

576
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: ended up in the land that we now know is Mexico. Right,

577
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: that the way that the story is told is that

578
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: an indigenous woman, uh Malina, that as she has now known,

579
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: that she was a tridora, that she betrayed her people,

580
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: and she helped the conquis right um in their conquest

581
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: of native lands, and that she led them and she

582
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: but she betrayed her people. And so much of the

583
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: history of Mexico and the colonization project has been placed

584
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: the blame squarely on this one indigenous woman's shoulders. Right,

585
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: And if we think about the dynamics of colonization, the

586
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: power dynamics, the violence, the genocide, and we begin to

587
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: unravel this story, it makes less and less sense that

588
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: an indigenous woman had that kind of power in this

589
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: context because who was she really? She was actually a

590
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: young girl, she wasn't a grown woman, and she was

591
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: also an indigenous woman, meaning then has had add the

592
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: actual power. Right, Yeah, she was a survivor. She was

593
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: a survivor of colonization, of sexual violence, of gendered violence. Right,

594
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: these are contemporary words that we used to describe what

595
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: she was experiencing. But it's interesting how the scapegoating happens, right,

596
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: that the entire downfall, right of this of these civilizations

597
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: can be blamed on one under age indigenous girl somehow.

598
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: So we took that story and we we we told

599
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: it from the counter narrative, and we said, wait a second,

600
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: she's not a trader, she's a victim. Right, how can

601
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: we reimagine La Malinche and reclaim her as one of

602
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: our own in our histories? How can we reframe this narrative? Right?

603
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: The same can be said of a pocahonas right, the

604
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: Disney Channel and interpretations of pocahonas being in love with

605
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: her colonizer are false. Right. We could think of a

606
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: Saka Joeya, Right, These indigenous women who their relationships with

607
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: white male colonizers, how they've been romanticized our stories of

608
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: conquest and of violence. So this is what we would

609
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: call a local pistemology, is finding the flip side of

610
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: what we of what's been shared with us. Right, and

611
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: more recently we had our capital where we talk about Laotra. Yes,

612
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: that's a good one, a counter narrative, right, So let's

613
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: get into it. Let's talk about it. We're all, we're

614
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: all from familiar with what is La. If you hear

615
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: that a woman is referred to as l what might

616
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: that mean? Who is she? She's the lover. She's the

617
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: side piece, the mistress, the mistress. Right, there's right, so

618
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: right is always villainized in every single like every single

619
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: thing that we can think of, a film, so many songs, right,

620
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: TV shows, in our personal life, was right in our family, right,

621
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: there's always la and the downfall of a marriage right

622
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: is put on the woman, right, but not on the

623
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: actual man that broke his vows and was cheating. Right.

624
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: So again it's all. So that is one example of

625
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: a local pistemology where we think about laodra in a

626
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: different sense. Maybe you know, there's there are people that

627
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: enter into uh relationships where they are la utra and

628
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: what if their mama, what if they're actually benefiting from

629
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: being laud because they don't have to do any emotional labor.

630
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: They don't have to do wife work, wifely duties, don't

631
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: have to like wash anyone's laundry, have to cook for anyone,

632
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: They don't have to care for another being. Right, So

633
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I'm just saying,

634
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Yeah, maybe food for thought,

635
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: just just the thought, you know. But part of it

636
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: too is again flipping the script, because when you all

637
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: you all know who Monica Lewinsky is. Monica. I love

638
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky. I love Monica le Monica. Where team Jordan

639
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: would where team Jordan. I follow Monica Lewinsky on Twitter,

640
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: like Monica Lewinsky for a very long time. And even

641
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, there's residuals of her experience, like the most

642
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: hated person in America, the most hated person in America

643
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: because of her quote unquote affair with then President of

644
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: the United States, arguably the most powerful man in the world, right,

645
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. Now Bill Clinton was the married one. Bill

646
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: Clinton was the president, her boss, her boss. She was

647
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: what three two year old in turn in the White House.

648
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: And yet somehow, slick willie Bill Clinton is loved and

649
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: revered by all, no matter what right and that was,

650
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: and and Monica Lewinsky was like three or four five

651
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: affairs down the line, right, um. But Monica Lewinsky shouldered

652
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: all of it, all of the burden, all of the

653
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: blame for a choice that a married man in public

654
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: office made repeatedly. But somehow it was her fault. So

655
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: when we talk about counter narrative and flipping the script

656
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to Laotra, if we're talking about a

657
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: married man, a man with children, who is making a

658
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: very intentional choice to step out on his family. Why

659
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: is the blame always placed on lat Why we want

660
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: to relocate where the blame really should lie, right and

661
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: where those power dynamics they actually exist to redirect the

662
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: anger back to the man, redirect the anger to where

663
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: it belongs to his full as absolutely right. Well, you

664
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: know what, and I think the idea of la especially

665
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: in our community, is very taboo because a lot of

666
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: our theo's, our fathers will have you know, other families

667
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: living down the street. Right, So Laotra is very much

668
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: a part of our community, whether or not we want

669
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I'm hot, right, I mean same, no, truly,

670
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: So like this is an example right of like the

671
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: type of work that we aim to do with the

672
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: podcast because we can, because again it's a space that

673
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: we created for ourselves to explore themes that are relevant

674
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: to us. Right. Something that we also talked about is sometimes,

675
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: knowingly or not, you end up being right. Oh my god,

676
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: the number of men in this world enjoy hiding their

677
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: girlfriends and their wives and their many children, their pregnant

678
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: partner and their newborn baby. Is incredible. I see some

679
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: heads nodding because we know because we've been there, snaps

680
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: in the back, snaps in the front, exactly. So it's

681
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: that's part of it to it's real, it's cute, it's okay.

682
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: It's fun to bash the hoe and the slut and

683
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: the whore until it becomes you, right, right, because it's

684
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: not always a choice. Unknowingly, you can enter into some partnership.

685
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: And this fool has a full last wives, let me

686
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: count the baby hidden pictures like hidden pictures their public

687
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: Facebook page. Kine girl, You know what I noticed when

688
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: I was, you know, single and dating a while ago.

689
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: Um I realized that we got to a point where

690
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: men were no longer asking for numbers. They were asking

691
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: for your snapchat. And you want to know why, because

692
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: they're shady as hell, and they know that the messages

693
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: will delete and there's no trace of them actually chatting

694
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: with you, and they can send you all kinds of pictures,

695
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: unsolicited pictures. Autely, there was a time where folks were men,

696
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: not folks. Men were asking for snapchats. Horrible. I don't

697
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: have a snapchat. I had one, but they don't even

698
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: know that. They don't need to know that. Yeah, No,

699
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: I walk into lots of dating situations. Now, I just

700
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: assume that you have a secret family proed with caution

701
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: all that way, I can't be disappointed, you know what

702
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: I mean? The news can only get better from there,

703
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: Like when it turns out you don't honestly honestly pro

704
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: tipo tip. Yeah, assume at all times that he's lying

705
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: wrong probably is, unless he's not. Then pleasant surprise, pleasant surprise.

706
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: Then we all walk away happy, right right? Right? So yeah,

707
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 1: that's a fun that's a fun conversation. What's another favorite

708
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: of yours that we've done. We've talked a little bit

709
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: about multi dimensional home. Look on penology, we have not

710
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: talked about multi dimensional home. Right, you're right, you're right. However,

711
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: multi dimension of home. We talk about being safe when

712
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: you're out and about so one thing that we talk

713
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: about is having a hok. So, a hok hok is

714
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: your little bag, your purse, your giant bag, your duffel bag,

715
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you take with you when you

716
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: go out to you know, have a little fun. Right,

717
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: what do you pack to make yourself comfortable? Right, Malla,

718
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: what do you keep in your hok? It? You know

719
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: my hok it is retired right now? Right? Well, you

720
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: know what I should I say that my ho k

721
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: it is a drawer since I'm in a committed relationship.

722
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: Now I have my little drawer, so I have my

723
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: things in there drawer. So you know, the kid is retired,

724
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: but it's in a drawer now. I love it. Yeah,

725
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: it's official. Well, um, when I when I was actively

726
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: utilizing a hoky, I mean, take your own condoms. Always

727
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: take your own condoms. Check the expiration date, check your

728
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: own condoms. Yes, because number one, like those of us

729
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: that you know, for better or for worse, have sex

730
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: with men. I can't tell you how many grown ass men.

731
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: While it happened to you back to back, it happens

732
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: to me many times. And I don't know what I know.

733
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: It's not me, it's it's not you. It's not you,

734
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: it's not what am I thinking? It's not me. I'm

735
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: not the problem. No, but there were a couple of times,

736
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: like consecutively. Yeah, okay, so the number of adult grown

737
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: as sucking men that you know, we're on the precipice

738
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: of something, and they refused to wear condoms, Like I

739
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: don't wear condoms. I don't dare them. I don't use them.

740
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't use them. And I'm like what what And i'

741
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: must I teach sex education? So for me, I'm like

742
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: run high, you know, like lose my number, like whatever.

743
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: It's wild. So take your own condoms because you might

744
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: not get it in if you don't, because they don't

745
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: always have their own. So there's that. Or they'll pretend

746
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: that they don't have it. They'll pretend that they don't

747
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: have one. The store is far, it'll be the store

748
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: is far, it'll be expired. They'll be holes in it.

749
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: Oh girls, sneaky. Take your own, Take your own, okay,

750
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: So what else? What's kid? So if you're gonna be

751
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: spending the night, you know what I mean? Um, some

752
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: baby wipes to clean clean up and clean up your

753
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: makeup so you can be fresh and happy in the morning,

754
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: so that when you go back home to the house

755
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: that you share with your entire family. Um, you're not

756
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: doing the walk of shame. You're not the walk of shames.

757
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: A little less shameful. There's no shame to this game

758
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: at all. Have no shame, have no shame. We're adults.

759
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: We're adults. But when you're walking back into your mom's

760
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: house and you're wearing the clothes from last night. I'm

761
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, I was at theosa's house. So

762
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: we're working on the podcast all night, honestly, Fellestlee Podcasting.

763
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: Um My, we we asked our listeners to submit, you know,

764
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: um suggestions or what they carry in their home kid,

765
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: because hop kids are like snowflakes, like every hoek it's

766
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: a little different, you know. Yes, And so my favorite,

767
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: my absolute favorite, one listener was like, I always take

768
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: a piece of paper and a pencil and I'm like,

769
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: for what for notes? I mean, you never know, you

770
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: never know, poetry tree, you have to write a poem

771
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: after bullet journal fired? Who knows, really knows? So yeah,

772
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: how kids are fun? Are funny? You have ho kids? Okay? What?

773
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: Oh I don't know. I was asking about ho ho kids.

774
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: Did anybody have a hoe kid item that they would

775
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: like to share that we have not mentioned thus far?

776
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: Some lubricant, lubricant, dental damns. UM dental dams are important.

777
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: They're important. If you don't know what they are, look

778
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: them up. They're important. Um hair ties, yes, hair ties,

779
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: contact solutions that hair back for me, for you know,

780
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: my eyes get dry, your guys get dry. If you're

781
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: wearing heels, you know, maybe you want to take your

782
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: chunk glass. You could be comfortable after. Yes, there's a

783
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: lot of things, a lot to make your experience more comfortable, right, yeah, question,

784
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: I was going to transition us right now. Okay, So

785
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: we're coming to somewhat of a close. So one thing

786
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: that we do on our podcast is we have a

787
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: segment called oy Lokas and Oya Lokas is where we

788
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: answer listener questions. So we wanted to open up the

789
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: floor to y'all. So y'all can ask us some questions

790
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: for oyelcas. I think there's gonna be a mic going around,

791
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: perhaps not your head, Matt, Yes, okay, got it. And

792
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: we're pretty open, you know, if you're curious about something

793
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: we've talked about today an element of the podcast, there's

794
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: so much more that we haven't shared. If we don't

795
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: want to answer your question, we will gently let you know,

796
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: but go ahead and feel free to ask. We're pretty

797
00:46:54,200 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: open as you can tell. Hi, guys, I just want

798
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: to say, you guys are badass. You guys are I

799
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: want to be you when I grow up like you

800
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: guys are a badass. UM. But yeah, So my name

801
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: is no Um, born and raised in Milwaukee. And one

802
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: of the questions I have so right now, I'm a

803
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: public relation so I'm really into corporate American stuff like that.

804
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: But me and one of my amazing, beautiful talented friends,

805
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: UM want to start a podcast. And I guess, like

806
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: one of my main worries is UM that maybe you

807
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: guys can relate to or have advice for me. UM.

808
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: Has there ever been, UM, like, are you ever like

809
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: worried or or has there ever been conflict between the

810
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: content you are podcasting about and your credibility in your

811
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: professional workforce or getting ahead in your professional work because

812
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: of the content? Has ever been like any type of

813
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: conflict with that with getting a job with people? Because

814
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: you guys are pretty well known. So is there any

815
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: conflict that well? We kept we keep it really separate. UM.

816
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: There have been times where I have put it on

817
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: my resume, UM, and people will ask questions. But you know,

818
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: your job doesn't want to you to be so distracted

819
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: or invested in something that's not the job, so I

820
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: have had to keep it really separate. UM. Like my boss,

821
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: My boss does not know that I'm here today. I

822
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: didn't want that to be on the recording. So I'm like, so,

823
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: you know, I've had to keep it really separate. I

824
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: will edit that out later. UM. Yeah, so I've I

825
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: have had to keep it really separate. UM. So for

826
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: that reason, I haven't experienced anything like what you're talking about. UM,

827
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: but I will say that if you're not allowed to

828
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: be your full authentic self or your place of employment,

829
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: is that really the job for you? That's something that

830
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: I would think about. Yeah, thank you for that question.

831
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: It's a very complicated one because we need our jobs.

832
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: We need our jobs. We just do you know. UM,

833
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: our parents don't support us. We support ourselves, who pay

834
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: our own bills. UM. Oftentimes are the money that we

835
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: make is going back into our families and back into

836
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: our communities, and we're supporting others. And that's just how

837
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: it is, right, UM, So we need our jobs. It's important.

838
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: It's also interesting because so much of the podcast work

839
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: is on the Internet, right It's on the internet space,

840
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: it's on Instagram, and it is incredible how racially segregated

841
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: even the Internet is. There is a white Internet, there

842
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: is a Latin X Internet. There's a black Internet. There

843
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: is an Asian Internet, right and then and then depending

844
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: on your age, if you're older, you're probably gonna be

845
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: on Facebook. If you're younger, you're gonna be on Instagram.

846
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know, they're on like TikTok and house

847
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: party and I don't even know what else. Now you're

848
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: a teacher. Now, I'm a teacher. Now it's horrifying. I'm

849
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: a teacher now, so like I know, um, but no, truly,

850
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: I work at a very very predominantly white school and institution. Um,

851
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: and when I got the job, I was like, oh,

852
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: this is like reverse stand and deliver right now, Like

853
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go teach these white kids how to like

854
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: be better people and stuff and like, you know, how

855
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: to protect themselves from chlamydia. It's gonna be great. But

856
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: what I realized is on that campus, and like you're saying,

857
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: we're very public with what we do, you know, like

858
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: almost like almost eighteen thousand followers on the Instagram alone,

859
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: like eleven thousand on my personal, almost ten thousand on yours.

860
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: We have the Facebook two Forbes features, three l a

861
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: Maag features like we're out there. However, at my predominantly

862
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: white place of employment. The only people on campus who

863
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: have seen my stuff online are the Latina that works

864
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 1: in dining services, the Latina that works in campus safety,

865
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: the Latina that works as an assistant. Literally, because the

866
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: Internet is racially segregated and we use stage names and

867
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: the name of the podcast is in Spanish, is in Spanglish,

868
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, So we've kind of built these firewalls so

869
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: that like they're really not going to find me, they

870
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't know where to look. I mean, I work with

871
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: all Latinas and I have had the woman in accounting

872
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: asked me, do you have a podcast? Multiple people have

873
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: asked me if I have a podcast? Can I say no? No,

874
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: I do not. Yeah, no, thank you for that question.

875
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: Thank you for that question. Yeah, any other question? Hello? Hi,

876
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: my name is Cecelnia. Um. I'm a new listener and

877
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: I like Fell in Love with you Guys podcast. But

878
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: my question is what is your definition of self care

879
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: and how do you stay consistent with loving yourself? Oh

880
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Do you want to start? Sure? Um? Okay,

881
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: I would say I I like to think of self

882
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: care as something that future you will think yesterday you

883
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: four so something and self care can also be really boring.

884
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: So you have to do like the things, like the

885
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: little things that you do not want to do, but

886
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: that will make you happy in the long run. Right.

887
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: And for me, something that I struggle with is um

888
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: putting my laundry away. And it sounds really silly, like, well,

889
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: why don't you just put your laundry away? Right? But

890
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: I just can't do it. I cannot bring myself to

891
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: do it, and then I'm dreading it and dreading it,

892
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: and then I feel bad about it, and then I

893
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: feel messy, and then I feel all these different kinds

894
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: of things, and then my room is giving me anxiety.

895
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: So why didn't I just put my laundry away? You

896
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And it sounds silly, but it's

897
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: actually like it has become a really big thing for me. Um.

898
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: So I think that self care can be the really

899
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: boring things that are going to make you feel good

900
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: in the long run. And I also think it's important

901
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: to practice said daily, whether that be it can be

902
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: something small so that you're not burnt out, because when

903
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: you do self care when you're already depleted, you're starting

904
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: from zero, right as opposed to maybe being at eight.

905
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: So then you get back up to nine Z. Hopefully

906
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: you're at a hundred. You know what I mean. That's

907
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: how I feel. Um, So self care is really difficult

908
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: for me. I have a really hard time with it,

909
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: um And and it's part of it is the consistent

910
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: The second part of your question is the consistency question,

911
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: and that's where it becomes tricky. So, um, I posted

912
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: this to my story yesterday, But bitch, go get your

913
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: car serviced. Take it in. You know it's time. You

914
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: know it's your do for an oil change. The light

915
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: on your dash has been on for a week. Take

916
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: your car in. You know what I mean. Putting air

917
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: in your tire. Put your air, Put air in your tires,

918
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: get your tires rotated, get your alignment checked. Put gas

919
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: in your car. Do not drive on empty, do not

920
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: drive on m D. And we're saying this because we

921
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: do all of these all. We do it all. You know.

922
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: Another thing Moll and I say to each other all

923
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: the time, it's like, Okay, don't over caffine as we're

924
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: drinking like our second and third cup of coffee. You know, yeah, no, truly,

925
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: it's it's rough, um, because I don't know, like there's

926
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: so many things in life that you have to do.

927
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: You have to do your texts, and you have to

928
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: take care of your car, and you have to pay

929
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: your rent, and you have to do this, and you

930
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: have to do that, and it can get overwhelming, especially

931
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: if you deal with any kind of anxiety or like

932
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: undiagnosed a d H d UM. And so I would say,

933
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: like again, do the boring things that you don't want

934
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: to do, don't avoid them, make the time, just do it.

935
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: You know you will feel better. Um. Not everybody has

936
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: like an amazing mom, but if you have an amazing mom,

937
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: I have an amazing mom. Listen to your mother. She

938
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: knows what she's talking about. She knows what she's talking about.

939
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: And sometimes you have to learn the hard way, right

940
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, funk, I should have listened to

941
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: my mom always allways. She told me about this when

942
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: I was five years old. I already knew this, and

943
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: I refused to listen right right right. You know what,

944
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: whenever I mess up and I have to tell my mom,

945
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I already know I know what you

946
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: have to say. I know what you told me, but

947
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: I did it anyway. It's true. Listen to your mom

948
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: and she loves you. And it might sound corny, but

949
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: it is helpful sometimes to follow like those inspirational pages

950
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: you know that are sharing affirmations and tips and you know,

951
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: inspiring words and images. It can help. All of that

952
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: is a type of stimulus that can encourage you right

953
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: to take steps in that direction. Go outside, go for

954
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: a walk, get some fresh air. It sounds counterintuitive because

955
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: of everything that we do, but put your phone down,

956
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: get off social media, do not keep scrolling, do not

957
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: keep scrolling. Scroll with intention. Scroll with intention has started

958
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: to set because I'm really bad about social media, about

959
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: not putting my phone away. So I've started setting a timer.

960
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: So Instagram now has a new feature where you can

961
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: set a timer. So I have a timer now and

962
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: I'm so now I'm very cognizant of like, okay, well

963
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: if I have to do something for look, I thought

964
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 1: I have to do it now right, and I can't

965
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: keep scrolling. So that has been helpful for me thus far. Yeah,

966
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: thank you, great question over here. Yeah, my name, my

967
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: name is Brandon, and I just wanted to know how

968
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: do you know when you're in a toxic friendship and

969
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: how do you actually end it, especially if you were

970
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: like really good friends. That's hard to asked that recently. Yeah,

971
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: who Um, Well, I would say one sign of a

972
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: toxic friendship is if it's one sided. You know, if

973
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: you find yourself reaching out all the time, and whether

974
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: this person you know agrees to hang out with you

975
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: or not, you're still doing all of the reaching out

976
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: and you're doing all of the labor of like maybe

977
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: then venting, and then they don't really listen to you

978
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: and what you're going through, or they're not sharing space

979
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: with you. It's very one sided. Yeah. I would also

980
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: say to like more than we recognize friendships, friendships are relationships, right, Um,

981
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: they're often platonic relationships, and some of the exact same

982
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: dynamics that you see in a romantic relationship you see

983
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: them play out in platonic friendships, right. And so sometimes

984
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: a friendship can be toxic because there is jealousy of

985
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: you hanging out with other people, or there is an

986
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: element of control, or there is an element of um

987
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: sabotaging you before something big in your life is happening,

988
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: or downplaying your accomplishments. So I would say that ending

989
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,479
Speaker 1: a toxic friendship is gonna be pretty similar to ending

990
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: a romantic relationship. It's a type of breakup. Um, it's

991
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: really important to name aim and identify what the issue

992
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: is and market. Uh. We use the word call out

993
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: a lot, and that's not so much what I'm talking about.

994
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like a very plain observation. You know,

995
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: when you do this, it makes me feel like this,

996
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: when you've talked to me like this, it makes me

997
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: feel like this setting a boundary. I need more time

998
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: to myself, I need to like hang out with other people.

999
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: It sounds like a relationship breakup because it is, you know,

1000
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: and the way that someone responds to those healthy boundaries

1001
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: and to those observations is going to tell you a

1002
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: lot about whether or not that friendship is healthy for you.

1003
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: Other questions over here, Hello, Hello, And my question is

1004
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: so you two had talked about how the podcast came

1005
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: to be. My question is what moment in your life

1006
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: did you realize you had to be the change in

1007
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: the world that you want to see. It's like a

1008
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: series of moments. It's like many moments and many reminders.

1009
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: Is there anything in particular that comes to mind for you.

1010
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm processing that question. Um, well, I think you know,

1011
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: when we entered the podcast space, we entered it when

1012
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: there were not very many fem centered podcast There weren't

1013
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: very many in the Latino space, the Latino X space.

1014
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: There weren't very many survivors centered, if any at all.

1015
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: There weren't any survivors centered podcast. Um, we didn't see

1016
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: very many podcasts where it was like two home girls talking,

1017
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: you know. Um, we've seen a lot of news cycle

1018
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: podcast you know, so I think when we entered the space,

1019
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: it was a time where none of that was there.

1020
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: You know, now we're we're in when here are we in?

1021
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: We're in twenty nine and there's definitely a lot more

1022
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: podcast but at the time, what we weren't seeing is

1023
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: what we wanted to create. So I think that that

1024
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: was one of those moments where we saw what was

1025
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: lacking and what we felt was needed. And when we

1026
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: launched our first episode, seeing the community response is how

1027
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: we knew we we were onto something. There was a

1028
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: space there for us, and there was this and it

1029
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: was needed because folks were responding. Yeah. I also think, like, um,

1030
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes we get overwhelmed with the bigness

1031
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: of problems, right, Like we understand that a lot of

1032
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: the personal issues that we deal with are the familiar

1033
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: issues we deal with can be traced back to a

1034
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: much larger institutional problem. Institutional racism, institutional sexism, white supremacy, capitalism.

1035
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: These are huge global problems, right, and so sometimes in

1036
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: understanding the bigness of an issue, we get overwhelmed and

1037
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: where do we start? Where do we start to tackle

1038
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: something so huge and really um I think for me

1039
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: it was kind of recognizing that it really is about

1040
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: your immediate circle and your immediate community and starting there,

1041
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: that's where you have the most access, That's where you

1042
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: have the most knowledge and insight and background, That's where

1043
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 1: you have the most influence and opportunity for impact. So

1044
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: I think that that was helpful, Like we can start

1045
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: starting small, is actually starting really big? You know? Um

1046
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: So that would be for me, Like there were a

1047
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: series of life events probably that led me to that realization.

1048
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: Any other questions, Okay, you have time for one more? Okay, Okay, Hi,

1049
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: my name's Edica actually mentioned me and your story the

1050
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: other day. Um So, I know that you guys have

1051
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: that partnership with the l A Libraries and you do

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Speaker 1: workshops around um l A. Have you guys thought about

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Speaker 1: maybe monetizing that and making them available online. Um. So

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Speaker 1: the workshops that were there, we're doing our paid workshops,

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Speaker 1: but they're free for the community. We have talked about

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Speaker 1: monetizing it so that it's available to folks online because

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Speaker 1: we do have listeners like y'all that are out of state. Um,

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Speaker 1: that just takes a little bit more time than I

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Speaker 1: don't think we're there quite yet. Yeah, we're so the

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Speaker 1: question of monetizing the podcast is a really big one,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is like a broader conversation for

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Speaker 1: anybody who is interested in starting a small business, starting

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Speaker 1: your own project, whatever that might be. Um. In the

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Speaker 1: Femtech workshop, we touched upon this that in our communities,

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Speaker 1: we do not often talk about money. It's like still

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Speaker 1: kind of a dirty word or it's embarrassing or shameful

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Speaker 1: to talk about, especially when you don't have a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of it. We don't tend to come from communities

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Speaker 1: where we have angel investors and seed money and trust

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Speaker 1: funds and and and humongous loans, right, Um, so we

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Speaker 1: kind of have to grind and find it in other places.

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Speaker 1: So for us, we're in that process right now. How

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Speaker 1: can we take this project that clearly like people are

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Speaker 1: into it. The response as well, how can we now

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Speaker 1: be self sustaining and really get paid to do what

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Speaker 1: we do so we can do it full time? And

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Speaker 1: that's a question that I would like everybody to to

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Speaker 1: ask themselves with regards to your own projects. We're reading

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Speaker 1: Nielsen reports, we're doing research about product development, we're you know, screening,

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Speaker 1: doing phone calls with trademark attorneys and entertainment attorneys, and

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Speaker 1: we're thinking about a manager and these sorts of things

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Speaker 1: that maybe are not common language for us in our

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Speaker 1: everyday lives, that may seem out of reach or may

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Speaker 1: seem like, well, that's like a something for somebody else. No,

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Speaker 1: we have to ask. We have to ask, right, We

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Speaker 1: have to make big asks and so um things like that.

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Speaker 1: Even we've been kind of hesitant to put too much

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Speaker 1: of a dollar sign on our content because we want

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Speaker 1: this to be accessible. We were talking the other day

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Speaker 1: that when we graduated from college there we were amongst

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Speaker 1: the era or the time when everything was sliding scale.

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Speaker 1: So everything was like, okay, if you want to come

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Speaker 1: to this you know, community event, you know, five to

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Speaker 1: ten dollars if you can't pay, let us know and

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Speaker 1: you know we'll get you in. And now we're seeing

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Speaker 1: um a type of development right where now we're saying, no,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna pay for our art and for what we

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01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: do because we're full time artists and we deserve to

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Speaker 1: get paid because we're also reinvesting it into our own community. Right.

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Speaker 1: So we're seeing the conversation change and we're seeing it switched.

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Speaker 1: So as those convers stations switch, we have to also

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Speaker 1: keep up with it and see how we're we are

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Speaker 1: going to sustain ourselves with our projects. Yeah, so thank

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Speaker 1: you for that question. We're working on it. I think

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Speaker 1: I think that's it all right, Okay, yeah, okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming. UM. This was amazing.

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Speaker 1: This was actually our first live podcast at a university,

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Speaker 1: so we're really happy that we got to do it

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Speaker 1: with you all today. Yes, thank you for having us. UM.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna stick around for a little while. Yeah, thank you. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: We just want to thank Man and Andy for working

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Speaker 1: with us so closely and getting this done, and of

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Speaker 1: course many for coming and visiting all of us. And

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Speaker 1: we also wanted to thank sorry, and we also wanted

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Speaker 1: to thank all of you were actually showing up and

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Speaker 1: coming and seeing these wonderful move do their things. So um,

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Speaker 1: thank you and also we hope to see you guys

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Speaker 1: swoon in future projects. Thank you, thank you, M. Thank Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well we're gonna hang out up here. We'll be up

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Speaker 1: here for a little while. M.