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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Zaron Brenette. I am so glad to see you.

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Speaker 3: Me too, I'm sad to see you as well. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: you always see I really really am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't say that about myself. Do you know

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Speaker 2: what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I do. I knew you would know.

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Speaker 3: It's something that's ridiculously cool in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: We got an Instagram message from Jot jo d szt

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Speaker 3: y I and that's the name of a dog, cool, hungarian,

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Speaker 3: moody dog m d I so Jot send us this email,

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Speaker 3: but it's actually the owner ah and or some DM.

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Speaker 3: They slid into the DMS. This dog is sliding, so

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Speaker 3: says hi, guys. I figured it'd be more fun writing

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Speaker 3: from my dog's IG account. I have a story that's

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Speaker 3: perfect for Zarin and Elizabeth as well. It has some

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Speaker 3: product mash up and dead body parts. There's this cocktail

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Speaker 3: that you can drink in Dawson City, Yukon, Canada. It's

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Speaker 3: called Sourtoe cocktail. It's usually made with a shot of whiskey,

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Speaker 3: usually Yukon jack of course, and a human toe, yes,

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Speaker 3: a mummified human toe. When you drink the cocktail, the

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Speaker 3: toe has to touch your lips. Now that we've covered

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Speaker 3: the ridiculous part, here's the crime. Abortion. In twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 3: a tourist swallowed the toe on purpose, so he was

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Speaker 3: fined five hundred dollars Canadian But no worries. Our cold

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Speaker 3: winters always provide us some frozen toes that can later

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Speaker 3: be used to make this cocktail.

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Speaker 2: So they take the same toe, put it in the drink.

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Speaker 2: The person swallows the cocktail supposed to like make sure

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Speaker 2: the toe stays in there.

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Speaker 3: I think it's like the worm in a stell, but

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Speaker 3: like this one, you just sip it so slightly that

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Speaker 3: it touches.

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Speaker 2: Your lip, but in a glass or out of the bottle.

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Speaker 3: Probably out of the bottle or maybe it's the glass,

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Speaker 3: and then you put it back into the decant it.

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Speaker 2: You seem like the snake whiskey with the snake that's inside,

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Speaker 2: and it's like fermenting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or seagull whiskey exactly I figured.

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Speaker 2: But those are all that they stay in the bottle.

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Speaker 2: This person made it sound like it was actually in

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Speaker 3: Is a person swallowed I think they probably chuggled it

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Speaker 3: from the bottle. But this Jo T. Moody account. It's

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Speaker 3: the Hungarian Moody dog's life in the Yukon. So cute.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm a big fan of like Alaskan dogs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's so I'm I'm now, I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: obsessed with this dog. And I'm just gonna you go

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Speaker 3: ahead and tell me your story and I'm just going

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Speaker 3: to have like a slideshow of Jo T going by.

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Speaker 2: I've got good news for you. My story is about animals.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Oh that'll let me close the laptop and I'll

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Speaker 3: be right with you.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth. You want to hear the story of Antoine Yates,

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Speaker 2: the tiger King of Harlem.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now this cat, he's the man who raised a

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Speaker 2: tiger in a fifth floor public housing apartment wait in

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Speaker 2: Harlem until one day the tiger remembered that it was

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Speaker 2: a tiger. Yes, This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about

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Speaker 2: absurd and outrageous capers, heist and cons. It's always ninety

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Speaker 2: nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, baby, I like it.

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Speaker 2: Fired. This one's a wild one for you. I've I've

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Speaker 2: been working with you know, themes, different themes. This one's

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Speaker 2: for my animal theme for you, because I know you

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Speaker 2: like the animals. Animal, Yes, but it's also got something

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Speaker 2: for me. There's an animal anyway, I won't ruin the

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Speaker 3: Is there cocaine in there?

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Speaker 2: No, you know what I know, not not one of

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Speaker 2: my stories. It's just it's got something for me too, anyway.

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Speaker 2: Antwine yeats. Yes, he's a lot like you, Elizabeth. Animal

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Speaker 2: lover Okay. He wanted to have a menagerie of animals

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Speaker 2: He didn't even have a backyard in Iowa. He lived

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Speaker 2: in New York City in Harlem, in public housing. He's like,

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Speaker 2: I want all the animals.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean you could love animals from afar?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, someone want to hug up on them. I

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Speaker 3: Hug up I want to hug up on like a

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Speaker 2: A walrus or pretty much any major mammal and have.

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Speaker 3: That be like my grand Farewell. But I don't bring

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Speaker 2: Okay, well this story. In the early afternoon of October one,

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Speaker 2: entered a call from an anonymous man. They didn't want

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Speaker 2: the emergency line to report a dog attack. The caller

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Speaker 2: reported that a man had quote been bitten by a dog.

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Speaker 2: He gave the address. It was twenty four to thirty

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Speaker 2: seventh Avenue, Apartment fivey as I said in Harlem. Now

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Speaker 2: a few minutes later, there was another anonymous call because

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Speaker 2: apparently the officers were not quick on the scene, from

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Speaker 2: the same address. The nine one one operator noted. And

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Speaker 2: when and YPD officers finally responded to that second call,

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Speaker 2: they find Elizabeth on the floor, a thirty seven year

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Speaker 2: old man in a bad way. Oh yeah, Like the

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Speaker 2: man was and I quote lying face up on the floor,

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Speaker 2: and he was located near the fifth story elevators. And

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Speaker 2: this wasn't good. His wounds fresh, extensive all over the place.

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Speaker 2: The cops they gave a cursory check the victim. They

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Speaker 2: deep gashes opened by fangs. Then the other arm, his

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Speaker 2: That was put in the report, right. So the cops

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Speaker 3: like injuries. Yeah, where my legs start to hurt.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sorry about that. I tried not to, like,

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Speaker 3: It's in service of the story, you have to do it.

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Speaker 2: So the man, he identified himself as mister Antoine Yates,

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Speaker 2: and he said a pit bull had mauled him. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: and people they hear pit bull, they immediately go that's terrible.

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Speaker 2: They locked their jaws on exactly now. The paramedics, they

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Speaker 2: They've done just a cursory once over. As soon as

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Speaker 2: he was reporting. Both the cops and the EMTs were like,

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Speaker 2: how big was this dog? Bro? So truth was, of

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Speaker 2: course far wilder, and I put emphasis on wilder. My

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Speaker 2: man Antoine Yates was indeed lying. He'd fibbed to the

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Speaker 2: cops and the empts because he was desperately trying to

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Speaker 2: protect his best friend, his room made a Elizabeth, the

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Speaker 2: one who'd nearly killed him, a four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: Four hundred and fifty pounds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, old Ming the Merciless.

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Speaker 3: You see, well did he was? He trying to play

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Speaker 3: it off like it was someone else's pit bull?

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Speaker 2: Yeh, yeah, totally, like some random pit bull ran in

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Speaker 2: I'm going downstairs. I got to attack someone down there.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, my point is Elizabeth Antoine, He's trying to

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Speaker 2: protect his best friend, his roommate, Ming the Merciless. They

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Speaker 2: were old buddies. They lived together for three years and

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Speaker 2: then one day the tiger's like, hey, bro, I'm a

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Speaker 2: tiger and totally showed its nature.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they do when ming.

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Speaker 2: Went fully merciless, right, because as you say, that's what

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Speaker 2: they do. The tiger was going to tiger Antoine Yates

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Speaker 2: was lucky to escape the apartment with his life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so how did he?

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Speaker 2: By the way, he had a five room Apartment's.

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Speaker 3: A square footage on that I don't want. You don't

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Speaker 3: have a square footage, Kim.

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Speaker 2: It's multiple bedrooms, a living room, a kitchen.

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Speaker 3: So so he probably got it with other family members

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Speaker 3: and then they either departed guest this earthly plane or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or the tiger eate them first.

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Speaker 3: Or the tiger tiger four kids.

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Speaker 2: Too. You love animals, You also like to say let

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Speaker 2: wild be wild. This story falls into the ladder camp

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Speaker 2: like you're one hundred your instincts.

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Speaker 3: I told you I always root for these animals. Like

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Speaker 3: when the chimpanzee rips the lady's face off, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you know that's to be expected and well done.

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Speaker 2: That the champane rooting for nature extant.

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Speaker 3: Nature extant. But in particular those, because they're always like

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Speaker 3: in like a suburban house total and it's totally unfit

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Speaker 2: I don't mean to draw your you personally out onto

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Speaker 2: the carpet, but didn't you used to own a real

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Speaker 2: life wolf? I did? Okay, it was your family owned

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Speaker 2: a real life wolf.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It was a rescue of the rescue. Someone else

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Speaker 3: rescued it, and then we had to rescue it.

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Speaker 2: From the rescued well just yeah, or the rescuer rather.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so then now that you have your rescue,

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Speaker 2: it was too late to.

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Speaker 3: Put it back in a while when it came into

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Speaker 2: Maybe Ming the Merciless was in a similar situation and

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Speaker 2: he's just like, look, I'm going to save the tiger. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you saved your.

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Speaker 3: Wolf, shag.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved that wolf. I'm just saying, like, there's great.

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Speaker 2: You see how data bold can be to let wild

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Speaker 2: be wild once it comes into your life.

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Speaker 3: That's true, right, Okay, back.

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Speaker 2: To Antoine, it's whatever. After he's saved by the cops,

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Speaker 2: the MTS, he's rushed to Harlem hospital, he refuses to

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Speaker 2: give up the truth. He's like, oh no, it's a

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Speaker 2: big dog. They're like, come on, heavily. Medicaid says, like

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Speaker 2: a big dog.

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Speaker 3: He's the biggest dog.

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Speaker 2: You were practically driving a bus this big. And then

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Speaker 2: the cops four.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and fifty pounds dog exact like this landlord's going

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Speaker 3: to prove that one.

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Speaker 2: The cops are like, sir, are you sure this wasn't

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Speaker 2: maybe a tiger? Now. The reason why they said this

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Speaker 2: is because some of Antoine's neighbors had let it slip

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Speaker 2: to the cops that Antoine was living with a tiger.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, Oh my god, because can you imagine the smell.

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Speaker 2: Not only that one neighbor had complained about constant urine

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Speaker 2: pouring down her the windows because he would dump it

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Speaker 2: out of the fifth floor apartment window. The urine would

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Speaker 2: Well. So, as Aaron is helping the police understand his

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Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa lions?

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Speaker 3: Stop it. This is too much for me, my brain.

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Speaker 2: I've got all sorts of answers for you.

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Speaker 3: So talk to this man.

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Speaker 3: Olime.

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Speaker 2: So we'll take all your many reasonable questions that you

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Speaker 3: A protest?

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Speaker 2: A protest? What are you protesting?

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Speaker 3: How is it costcore?

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Speaker 2: Are you protesting? Like a new parking?

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Speaker 3: They don't have tros at the food court anymore?

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Speaker 2: You're protesting? The absence is a bunch of us, a

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Speaker 3: So you, guys, did you have any you want to

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Speaker 2: Did you have a chance that you guys were fond

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Speaker 3: That's exactly it were you there.

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Speaker 2: I think I made sign. I was on the group

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Speaker 2: I don't ask about that one. Stick to the churup. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So Elizabeth Number one question, why did my man Antoine

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Speaker 3: Yeah? They're just the big boss.

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Speaker 2: guess that? One word? I love, Elizabeth. He wanted to

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Speaker 2: He didn't tell this to me. He told this to people,

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Speaker 2: So that's one thing I do know. No matter what

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Speaker 2: So there's not enough love in this planet for to

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Speaker 2: On the I don't want to poke fun at a

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Speaker 2: I wanted to know why he did it, beyond love,

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Speaker 2: So you know I asked him, right, So I said,

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Speaker 2: guy who'd been pushed to the point he decided to

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00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 2: live with a tiger that may not follow. I understand

439
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 2: how that is. Imagine like a very poetic, sensitive guy

440
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 2: who then returns inward, reclusive from the world. Yeah, he

441
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 2: wants something like a.

442
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 3: Pet, but there's a selfishness to it, rather than saying

443
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 3: I'll go live with the tigers.

444
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 2: To me, yeah, it's more like a by byronic love,

445
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 2: like joetic obsession. It's not like, oh I really am

446
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 2: bonded with you, we both connect. It's more like I

447
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 2: love you. Come here, yeah, stay here here, that kind

448
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 2: of love. So anyways, I said, he told me personally

449
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 2: that it was safer for him to lock himself inside

450
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 2: of his apartment than to walk around America as a

451
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: black man. Well that's how he felt. I think that

452
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 2: statement really speaks for itself.

453
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 3: But then throw in the tiger. It's safer to lock

454
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 3: myself in an apartment with a wild animal than it

455
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 3: is to walk around.

456
00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 2: It's like if James Baldway wrote a children's book right

457
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: to quote Antoine Yates, I was sick and tired of it,

458
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: so I literally locked myself in the house and I

459
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 2: went and bought the tiger. Now you know how I

460
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: am Elizabeth. This goes with my theory that humanity is

461
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 2: by far the most dangerous animal on the planet. So

462
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: I asked Antoine if he agreed that human beings are

463
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: the most dangerous animal on Earth. He's like, of course

464
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: they are the most I know that, and anyone else

465
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 2: should know that human beings are always the most dangerous choice.

466
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: Animals are only going to do what they set out

467
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: to do, as they were designed by God. But with

468
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: a human you never know what to expect, never ever, ever, ever.

469
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 2: I was like, even, right, for real? So but you know,

470
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: going by that logic, a tiger would be no higher

471
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 2: than the second most dangerous animal to live with, which

472
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 2: is kind of hard to believe. So this human being

473
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: bob over here is more dangerous than ming the merciless

474
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 2: I think you're I would think we're too far into

475
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 2: theory exactly anyway, So Antoine, why would he be cool

476
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 2: living with the tiger? This brings me to a question

477
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: number two. Did Antoine friends and neighbors know we had

478
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 2: a tiger, Like, how do you date when you have

479
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 2: a pet tiger? Like how much of it is involved

480
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 2: in his life? Was this tiger he's not dating? I

481
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: think it goes without saying that Antoine was single.

482
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 3: Yes, he was not dating. He wants to be by

483
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 3: himself very much.

484
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 2: Fact like, oh, my roommate's a tiger. That's an unmarried

485
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 2: or divorced man. We just know that right over back

486
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: when he did choose to lock himself inside, he had

487
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: a girl in his life, as Antoine told me, quote,

488
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: I was dating a girl, but I never went outside

489
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 2: of her. She already knew about the tiger, and she

490
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 2: already knew about me, And I think she's the ex

491
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: But what's that the lion? Now when he says, quote

492
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 2: she already knew about the tiger, what did she know exactly?

493
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: Like?

494
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: Was she cool with the tiger? And he said and

495
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: a quote, nobody was okay with it. I haven't come

496
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 2: across any person who was okay with it. Nobody could

497
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: completely understand it, no matter how close they are to you.

498
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: So that this makes sense. We're getting to an answer

499
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: that makes sense. So he knows that this is nonsense.

500
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't care because he's he's out there, he's a prophet.

501
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: He's like so far he knows he's out of pocket exactly.

502
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: But if they weren't cool that, why did people close

503
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: to him, Like, what did they say? Did they say, like,

504
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: hey man, Antoine, we've got these people we'd like you

505
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: to talk to, So courty Antoine, he said, and I

506
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: quote things like damn, he must be crazy and he

507
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: went and locked himself in with a tiger. Yeah, Twan

508
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: bugged out, That's what they said, stuff like that. I

509
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: never heard anybody look down on me because I wouldn't

510
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: tolerate that. I'm a grown man.

511
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 3: Wait, he's never heard anyone look down on him. He's

512
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: bugged out.

513
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a lot of pivots in that. Why

514
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: praise it was just a fair assessment. Yeah, that's like

515
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 2: saying it's windy today. Twan's bugged out. These things are

516
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: just anyone can see that. Now. I imagine you don't

517
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: have to tolerate a lot of insults if you have

518
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 2: a pet tiger, like knock knock me and my tiger

519
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: wanted to hear you say that to my face, Like,

520
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: that's not gonna happen anyway. So we have a grown

521
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: ass man equally grown ass tiger living together. And once again,

522
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: don't forget the alligator and the lion.

523
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: Uh huh the floors in that apartment.

524
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he beaten talked enough about the lion.

525
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: No, we really have not.

526
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: I focused on the tiger because I like tigers. But

527
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: Antoine he liked them all. So let's how did the

528
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 2: lions get into the apartment?

529
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: Lions?

530
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: Plural lions. This brings us to question number three. Were

531
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: did you get the tiger and the lions and the alligator?

532
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

533
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 2: That is so. Antoine not only had Ming the Merciless,

534
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: the Siberian tiger, and Al the alligator. He also had

535
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: Jaba and Nemo, his two.

536
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 3: Lions, Javamo male and female. Two males.

537
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: They weren't you It'll make sense in a second.

538
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to they weren't. I'm just trying to.

539
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: Or not? Yeah, so I think both boys, both mains.

540
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: Okay, got it, got it?

541
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: Now you may hear he had two lions, a tiger,

542
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: an alligator, and think like he's like folks who want

543
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: to own a killer animal. That's his thing. But I

544
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: asked twan about that, and he said, you'll see people

545
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: get tigers like you know who's good for that. People

546
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: in Dubai chics and stuff, they get like tigers. And

547
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: I pointed out, yes, base on social media, so I've

548
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: seen in Dubai they drive around with cheetahs writing and

549
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: shot the other than like the hawks. It's the cheetahs, right.

550
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: So anyway back to his lions, Twan told me about

551
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: Nemo and Jaba and how they came into his life.

552
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: He had Nemo first, so I hope this answered some

553
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: questions for you, and I quote. I bought Nemo when

554
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: he was sick. The lady advised me he wouldn't live

555
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: too long, like she would be surprised if he lived

556
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: a week. I was like, it doesn't matter. I want

557
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: him anyway because he touched me, just one look and

558
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: he touched me. It didn't matter. I felt more responsible

559
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: in giving him a few days of love and happiness

560
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: than not having it at all and leaving here a

561
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: week dying. You know you understand what I'm saying. He

562
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: managed to live a year. He actually outdid me and

563
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: her expectations. He actually got better in the time I

564
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: was with him. He passed, not from the illness that

565
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: he had from her. Now for her places and I

566
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 2: thank you everybody means she's passing the lion and illness.

567
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: I want to be specific there. So you see, Nemo

568
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: and Ming they came as a package deal. Antoine drove

569
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: from New York City out to Minnesota to buy himself

570
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: a tiger lion and a lion. He bought Ming the tiger.

571
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: Lady, you got about a week left on this.

572
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: Wow, Well, it's it's hard to explain, he he what's

573
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: not easy, It's like, it's easy to explain. Actually, he

574
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 2: bought Ming the tiger for about thirty five hundred dollars

575
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: as a cub. Now, I don't know if the woman

576
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: just threw in the sick lion for free. He didn't

577
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 2: mention how much the lions cost, but he did remember

578
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: the trip though pretty well. Twan told me, and I quote,

579
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: I remember like it was yesterday. I asked two of

580
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: my friends to take the ride with me. And now

581
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: you're like, if if I'm a friend of yours, Elizabeth,

582
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: and I say, hey, Elizabeth, would you drive with me

583
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: to Minnesota so I can buy a tiger cub and

584
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: possibly a sick lion and drive them back to New York.

585
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: You did like a rental car or maybe a rental van. Yeah,

586
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: Now what would be your answer be? No? Yeah? But

587
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: like would you like tell me, like we like have

588
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: you is the gas on in your apartment? Like would

589
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: you be asking question, yeah, do you have a carbon

590
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: monoxide filter?

591
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 3: Yea?

592
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: So question for how and where does one buy a tiger? Okay? So,

593
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: so I told you about this the cost, and he

594
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: went to Minnesota. But that doesn't really answer any of

595
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: the questions in the state and the cost, right, So

596
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: I asked him because I was curious about the exotic

597
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: animal underground, so I wanted to the practical questions, right, So,

598
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: like if Twan had been saving up for his tiger,

599
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: or like, you know, did he have anything like a

600
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: picture like a church? Then they got the building fund

601
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: he's got like his tiger fund like an empty tiger

602
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: he's been filling.

603
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: Up with a red marker like a late night impulse

604
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: internet bu.

605
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: Or exactly did you see the ad? And he's like, yo,

606
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: do you still got that car, Bob? You know, because

607
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: I want to go out to Minnesota.

608
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: But then he had a long time to reconsider between

609
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: Harlem and Minnesota.

610
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: On that round, he said he would drive. Come on,

611
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: let's go. Anyway, Twan told me as to how he

612
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: bought his tiger. Quote, I bought him off impulse. I

613
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: had the money. I went and bottom, oh, apparently he

614
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 2: did see the ad. And then it's just like, I'm

615
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: gonna go make a tiger cub and impulse purchase. But

616
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: Twan wanted to kind of correct the use of impulse buy,

617
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: as he preferred to say, and a quote. When I

618
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: say off of impulse, it wasn't impulse to go I

619
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: the tiger. It was more of an impulse to me

620
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: reinventing myself and disconnecting myself from the environment I grew

621
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: up in. I was second tired of it. So I

622
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: literally locked myself in the house and one day I

623
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: was just sitting there and I wanted to buy some

624
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: property in upstate New York. I accomplished doing that, and

625
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: I said, until I leave, I need to fulfill something.

626
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: So I went and I bought the tiger, the.

627
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 3: First step to home ownership in upstate New York. Tiger.

628
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: He was going to make an animal sanctuary. And then

629
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: I think he jumped, you know, he did. He bought

630
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: the land he did. He bought the did not develop it,

631
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: bought the tiger. He needed to create the enclosure for

632
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: the tiger. Then get the tiger. He's like, I have

633
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: an apartment that's an enclosure. Go get the tiger out.

634
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: He's got land, but he doesn't have it's probably not

635
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: there's nothing on it, so there's probably no like utilities connected.

636
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: So you can't even start building like an actual struke. Okay, ye,

637
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: impulse just out in the middle of the woods with

638
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: the impulse by by like buying like baking supply, you

639
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: knowty at night being like, you know what I really

640
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: need buttermilk powder, you know, stuff like that.

641
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: Those are normal impulse purchases from what I understand. Yeah,

642
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more like twan, but I've never

643
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: bought anything like a tiger anyway. So tiger, tiger burning bright.

644
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: So he had Bantoine, had Ming the tiger, cub, Nemo

645
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: the sick lion, and al the alligator, all living together.

646
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: And as he told me.

647
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: Quote at one of the worst children, the saddest one.

648
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: Quote at one time, Yeah, I had one lion, a tiger,

649
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 2: and an alligator. My other lion, Jaba, I had at

650
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: a different time. He wasn't at the time of Nemo

651
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: and Ming. Nimo and Ming came together, and Al had

652
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: already been there. So if you're like me, you're wondering

653
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: Al the alligator, he'd already been there.

654
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not adding up.

655
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: I said, well, where did you get Al the alligators?

656
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: You got Al first, And then you're like, I need

657
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: to get some big cats right right, This tiger needs

658
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: to happen because this alligator he ain't loving on me,

659
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: and I think a tiger will reptiles. What can I

660
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: tell you, man, old blooded creatures.

661
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: I thought that Ming was the impetus for the sanctuary,

662
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: but then he already had an alligator and a previous lion.

663
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he bought the alligator, as he told me,

664
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: I bought him in New Jersey. So you can buy

665
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: an alligator in New Jersey, because of course you can't.

666
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: They got alligators falling off the backs of trucks in

667
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: New Jersey. But I, you know, moving aside that, let's

668
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: just go back to more practical questions. Question number five.

669
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: If any of Antoine's many killer animals escaped or one

670
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: of his neighbors, you know, could have lost their lives,

671
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: did that ever worry him, did bother him. I have

672
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: like a new small nuclear weapon in my home that

673
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: can take out half of my neighbors. And this is

674
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: where he kind of loses me, because Antoine said, and

675
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: I quote, I'm going to do what I need to

676
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: do for me, regardless of your approval or not. As

677
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: long as I don't put anyone in harm's way. As

678
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: long as I'm not jeopardizing anyone's life or their integrity,

679
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: then I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. Now, I

680
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: would like to argue with him about what the term

681
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: putting anyone and jeopardize anyone's I'm not sure if he

682
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: has defined these terms. Now, my man, you have a tiger,

683
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: a lion, and an alligator in your apartment.

684
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: And where does Jaba fall in this timeline?

685
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: Early on? And then dies so it passes away? Certain, yes,

686
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: mimos the one.

687
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: So he has Jaba and then at some point alf

688
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: out first, then job job, then Jaba dies and he

689
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: was like, I need a tiger. Oh, ps, here's a

690
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: sick line.

691
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: Another lion throwing a lion. I've had one of these before.

692
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: I've had a lion die in my apartment before.

693
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: Is not a problem.

694
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: I'm still wondering how you dispose of that?

695
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: Got an alligator? Elizabeth? So sorry? So what Nature's garbage

696
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: raider just put it in there? So what if the

697
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: unexpected occur? What if his brother came over and accidentally

698
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: left the front door open. He's like, I got your mail,

699
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: and he closes it and doesn't clock it.

700
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: Right, I think his brother's paying close attention.

701
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: Or what if someone he didn't know broke in it

702
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: was like hey, and they left the door open, and

703
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: his like tiger went off exploring Manhattan. Right, Oh, that's fine,

704
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: Antoine told me in the face of that hypothetical end quote,

705
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: that's not my fault, that's his fault. That's no different

706
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: than if they break in and I got a gun

707
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: and I blow the head off. That's on them. That's

708
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: the same thing. You're somewhere you're not supposed to be

709
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: doing something you're not supposed to do. How can I

710
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: be blamed for someone else's stupidity. He's the one going

711
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: around robbing people's apartments. They just happened to run into

712
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: somebody whose apartment has a tiger. Somebody's apartment has a tiger.

713
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: Part of the castle, Doc.

714
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a loose interpretation of the castle doctrine. So

715
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: Antoine agreed that he was something of an outlaw. He

716
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: liked it when I called him a full hero outlaw.

717
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: He's like, quote, I feel like an outlaw one hundred percent.

718
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: He said that with a very bright laugh. Mind you,

719
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: I have to add that I definitely felt like an

720
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: outlaw because I had to keep everything so quiet. It

721
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: was me and him against the world. You know what

722
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean? No, I do not know what you mean, Anteline.

723
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do whatever it takes to keep this quiet

724
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: and protect you. At the same time, we have a

725
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: journey that we on, so we have to keep this good.

726
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: He's talking to the Tiger, of course, sure or you Well,

727
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: the interview wasn't Journeyalizabeth. But so as they tried to

728
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: keep this good, he had basically had to convince Ming

729
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: and al and Nemo that like, look y'all, we in

730
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: this together. We a team.

731
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're a family.

732
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: Everything outside that's against us, do it for the club.

733
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: We got to be together.

734
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

735
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: So obviously that didn't play out right. So right, we

736
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: did go badly. Well, let's take a break and after

737
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: these messages, I will tell you how this all goes

738
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: ker pluttery and we're back, Elizabeth, Hello, how did a

739
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: human being communicate with a tiger? That's question six?

740
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, telepathically?

741
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: He answered that one twan he kind of vacillated between poetic,

742
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: philosophical and drunk me talking about an Eddie Murphy movie

743
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: I didn't like. So he said, and I quote, if

744
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: you only see things only through our eyes, we're limiting ourselves.

745
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: And that's where a sense of communication comes in. I'm

746
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: not talking some Doctor Doolittle. Where you sit down. Are

747
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: you talking animals or talking back to you? Communication is universal.

748
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: It goes from verbal to sign language, to motions to

749
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: impressions on your face. Whatever. Maing did something wrong, I

750
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: only had to look at him, and he knew it

751
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: was wrong. I'd turn around and look at him. He'd

752
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: look at me, go in the corner and curl up.

753
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: I didn't have to scream, I didn't have to hit him,

754
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: none of that. I see how others who raise animals

755
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: they get in this dominating posture. That's not a relationships.

756
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: That's you trying to pose your will on something that's

757
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: not a fair relationship. So, Elizabeth, now that we have

758
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: pulled back the carpet and reached the brass tacks and yes,

759
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 2: and number seven, how do you live in an apartment

760
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: with the tiger? Like? What's the day to day routine?

761
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really curious about that.

762
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: According by Mantoin, he said his relationship with Ming was

763
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: far different than anything you might see in some docuseries

764
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: about tiger kings and if you're wondering, he hated that

765
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: Netflix documentary. Sure he can't stand Joe Exotic, but also

766
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: he may be a little hurt that the documentary didn't

767
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: try very hard to get to him to participate. Who knows,

768
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: I'm not saying yeah, he said, and I'll quote him,

769
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: they couldn't find me. I don't think. I'm not saying

770
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: they couldn't. But I didn't hear from them. I've been

771
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: off the grid and I usually don't get on Facebook

772
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: or any social media like that. I don't know if

773
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: they reached out or not, but if they did, I

774
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't have done it. One thing about that Joe Exotic character.

775
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: He gave you what he was, so I kind of

776
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: respect him for that. He's like, if I'm an I'm

777
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: gonna be the best. Anyway, What was it like like

778
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: I found you, dude, exactly, you can be found. I mean,

779
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: you're not that far off the grid, like I'm good,

780
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: but like Harlem is not that far from the internet.

781
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: Actually have it anyway? So what was for Twana average day?

782
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: I promise you living in an apartment with the tiger, Elizabeth,

783
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: Let's crack open a huge carton of ice cream and

784
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: share it and watch some Animal Planet videos. He merciless Meng. No,

785
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: that's not how it works, not exactly. But he did

786
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: tell me an average day with his tiger, and I quote,

787
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: my relationship with Meng was beautiful. It was so beautiful

788
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: you couldn't pay me ten million dollars to erase my memories.

789
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: Our bond was unique, it was different. I'm trying to

790
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: give you a better understanding of our bond. Let's take

791
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: Joe Exotic, Let's take the lady from Tampa. Let's take

792
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: a thousand other tiger owners. I'm gonna show you the difference.

793
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: Most of those owners only spend a fraction of time

794
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: with the animals.

795
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: You know why.

796
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: They have fences, enclosed backyards so their environment is controlled.

797
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: Not him, no control.

798
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: In this environment, uncontrolled. He usually would spend twenty three

799
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: hours a day living with his tiger like roommates.

800
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: But also either in solitary.

801
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically they were in the hole together. Yeah, you're

802
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: in the hole with a tiger, he said. And he

803
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: told me, and I quote, I just have a natural day.

804
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: It's like you having a dog. It's no different. If

805
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm laying down, he's laying down right next to me.

806
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: And if I'm getting up to go to the bathroom,

807
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: he's gonna follow me to the bathroom. If I said, hey, yo,

808
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: man sit down to chill out, he'd sit down and

809
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: chill out. If I said, man, go lay down and

810
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: go to sleep, he go lay down and go to sleep.

811
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: So just natural, you know, natural. There was no extra

812
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: stuff I needed to do to take control of me

813
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: and his relationship. Everything was natural. Now. For daily routines,

814
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: he would cut out each morning for about an hour.

815
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: He goes shopping for the day's food.

816
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: Day, he's got to go to a butcher twenty.

817
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: Pounds of meat. He usually went with chunks of chicken,

818
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: cuts of beef, liver, and some bones for tooth. Heelf. Yeah,

819
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: And once his errands were done, then he'd pop back

820
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: to his place for the next twenty three hours inside.

821
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: God. Yeah, and the butcher is just like, I don't even.

822
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: Want to know. Don't tell me what's where this is going,

823
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: what you're feeding this to. Just tell me you're a

824
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: fisherman and keep it moving. It's all for fait. So

825
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: if Twan told me, and I quote, Okay, I'm gonna

826
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: feed my tigers, then I'm gonna go be about my

827
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: business and do what I gotta do for the rest

828
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: of the day. So if I choose to go in

829
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: the afternoon play with them a little bit, then I'm

830
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 2: gonna play with them a little bit. So no, let's

831
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: skip that and jump over to New York to Antoine

832
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: and his apartment in Harlem. I don't have a backyard,

833
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: which means I'm confined to be around you twenty three

834
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: hours of the day. I'm locked down in a house

835
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: with a tiger in a small environment. I have no

836
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: other choice but to bond with being on a level

837
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: that people can never understand. There's no choice. It's like

838
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: playing a game of Russian Roulette. Put a bullet in it,

839
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: spin it and clicking.

840
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: No, did he have a job. I don't know how

841
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: this works because he has to be able to buy

842
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: twenty pounds of.

843
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: Meeting to day exactly. I'm figuring maybe he's like doing

844
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: like drop shipping. I had no idea he's a center guy.

845
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna tell you about that. I'm like, okay, cool,

846
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: I don't need to know that answer, because there could

847
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 2: be so many answers. I don't want to hear it.

848
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know what, let's just pretend

849
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: you are you've inherited money and you've been hiding that

850
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: from the public housing. Anyway, when he would be telling

851
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: me about all this, right, I can always hear him

852
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: rationalizing something that just didn't sit right with me, and

853
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: I was hoping not with him either. But he would

854
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: talk about how he and the tiger were both evolving,

855
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: and you know nature evolves, you know, as the environment

856
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: changes and in response. But he wasn't breeding tigers, so

857
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: I don't know where the evolution was coming. He was

858
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: domesticating one.

859
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: Tigers personal evolution.

860
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: He was getting very confused about what evolution and domestication are.

861
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: Thank you, as he told me, and I quote, my

862
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: whole strategy was coexisting with him like one of those

863
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: bumper cigars, but at the same time evolving with him

864
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: as well, and not only me evolving, but watching him evolve.

865
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: It was real unique for me to be studying tigers

866
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: and understanding tigers all these years to now sit down

867
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 2: and to really have one in the flesh in front

868
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: of you, and you watching him evolve from what you

869
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: already know how tigers are naturally, and I'm sitting here

870
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 2: watching him evolve into something else. My brother in Christ,

871
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: you are deluding yourself that tiger is tiger on day

872
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: one and on day seven hundred is still a tiger

873
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: burning bright?

874
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: Did you think you ever put t shirts on the tiger?

875
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: Oh? My god, A little like like maybe like tear

876
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: away ties, you know, like clip on tires. Yeah, I

877
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 2: got a wig.

878
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 3: I got thinking because when you mentioned the co Exist

879
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: bumper sticker, I was like, what if you put it

880
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 3: co Exist bumper sticker on the tiger? But then I

881
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: was a shirt or you feel like a Dale Earnhardt shirt.

882
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: On this anyway, Goo intimidator. So question eight, Elizabeth, why

883
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: did it all go wrong? Why did ming the tiger

884
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: attack him? In other words, if their relationship was so

885
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: unique and they were evolving, if Antoine was successfully living

886
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: in harmony with a tiger, a lion, and an alligator.

887
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: What disrupted their routine? What change that made Ming want

888
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: to attack him? And maybe not you know the lion

889
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 2: he attacked others. Yeah, turns out it was the introduction

890
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: of the unexpected. It's always the unexpected. In this case,

891
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: it was a tiny sick cat. As Antoine recalled, Shadow

892
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: showed up to at my door a week or two before.

893
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: I took Shadow in and kept him in a separate room.

894
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: That day was the first time they seen each other.

895
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: So the.

896
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: Day of the attack, Antoine heard his Siberian tiger crying. Crying,

897
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: that's his word. Antoine assumed his big cat was feeling lonely.

898
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: So personally, based on what had happened, I would say

899
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: that the tiger was feeling jealous. That's just me. Anyway,

900
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: Antoine tried to do what he would normally do. He

901
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: tried to play with his tiger Ming. He ran over

902
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: to him. They played a game twan called Buddy Buddy Now.

903
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: It's one of Ming's favorite games. Apparently it was a

904
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: mock playfight game. So then while they're mock playfighting, the

905
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: tiny kitten came onto the scene. So Ming catches one

906
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: side of the kitten and his eyes flash right. Oh

907
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: my god, So the shadow of the tiny house cat

908
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: is disrupted the delicate balance of the ecosystem at this point.

909
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: Back to Twan and I quote, I always knew it

910
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: was a risk. The thing is, when the two of

911
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: them came face to face that day, there wasn't never

912
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: supposed to happen. I was thrown off my typical day

913
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 2: to day routine. My thought process was off, he said

914
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: to me, coming back upstairs and putting Shadow away in

915
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: his room where he typically stayed and spent his whole

916
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: day at, and then letting Ming out of his time

917
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: out room, so he can't you know, venture the house.

918
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: I was thrown off. But when I opened the door,

919
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: Shadow followed me into the room where Ming was at,

920
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: and that's when they came face to face. So now

921
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: he's standing between the two cats. So what do you

922
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: think happens when a tiny house cat finds a full

923
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: grown Siberian tiger staring down at him? I don't, Well,

924
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: you don't need to answer that question, because I'm going

925
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: to tell you. So if you will, I'd like you

926
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: to close your eyes and picture.

927
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: It, and I'll be quoting from my man antoine and

928
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: feel like I'm actually there in the room.

929
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: He ran towards the kitchen and Ming chased him. So

930
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: this leaves the question what was going through Yates's mind,

931
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: as if the peaceful apartment turned into a scene of

932
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: nature's ruthlessness. Elizabeth, you are there and you are a

933
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: dust mode floating in the air. Nothing you can do

934
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: watching slow motion, as Yates shouts, I didn't even have

935
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: time to think. Everything was just impossible. So and I quote,

936
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: I remember everything that happened. Shadow ran, Ming chased him.

937
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 2: I jumped in front of me and took the blot

938
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: of the impact of his charge. Fell to the floor.

939
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: Ning went to jump over me. I grabbed him. He

940
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: bit down on my neck, turned me loose and went

941
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: to jump on Shadow. I grabbed him again. He bit

942
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: me on my more arm. That hurt a little because

943
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: he applied more pressure, and then he went to jump

944
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: over me again. I yanked his fur again. That's when

945
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: he grabbed my knee, and this is when he held

946
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: onto it. You were watching this as you fell, Lily

947
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: buffed the scene. There's nothing to so now. It was

948
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 2: about me trying to get my knee out of his mouth.

949
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: That took about three minutes. When he had my knee

950
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: in his mouth. That had me going through flashes of life.

951
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: Everything was like flashes of this picture that picture, and

952
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I guess this is

953
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: where I die at.

954
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: No.

955
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: You see him having the thought this is where I

956
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: die at as you flowed listlessly towards shadow the cat,

957
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: wondering if you will make it. Oh good, I cammip

958
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: down and got focused, and I calmly started talking to Ming.

959
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 2: I just ignored everything else that was going on, the pain,

960
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: adrenaline flowing everything. I just blanked it out and just

961
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: focused on the same way I'm talking to you, being calm.

962
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: I had to talk to him like that. Once I

963
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: got controlled the situation, I had to get my leg

964
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: out of his mouth. I coached him about three times

965
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: with the word no.

966
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: No.

967
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: As you see the word form in the mouth, you

968
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: watched once again helplessly. Ming turned and tried to charge

969
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: me again and said Ming, no, and then he went

970
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: into the bathroom. He closed the door. I held the

971
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: door shut until my brothers and them came upstairs. So

972
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: he got lucky that Ming jumped for the bathroom because

973
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: cats were like, oh I'm gonna come be in my

974
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: my Heidi hole, in the Heidi hole for him as

975
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: a bathroom shadow. Shadow never got me, Elizabeth, I would

976
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: not tell you a story the shadow got eaten.

977
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Shadows Like, what what was the problem?

978
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: What? When I asked Yates, what he thinks that you

979
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: know change that day for Ming, he insists nothing changed.

980
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: When I jumped in front of him, Ming's head hit

981
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: my chest and I fell to the floor. But as

982
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: I was yanking on him, that caused him to bite,

983
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 2: that causing effect, that action and reaction. It's no different

984
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: than if you're walking down the street and one of

985
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: your closest friends sneaks up behind you and pulls on

986
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 2: your jacket. You're gonna turn around a swing. That's basically

987
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: what all that was about. It was never an attack,

988
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: but that's what they chose to write. And I was like,

989
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: that's what people choose to believe, and they could believe that,

990
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: but to me it sounds crazy. I mean, to me,

991
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: if somebody says that someone got mauled, it means that

992
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: person is in a real bad situation. Right, But I'm

993
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: walking around, I'm still alive. I haven't even lotted a limb.

994
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: You couldn't even tell I got bit by a tiger

995
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: unless I told you and I showed you the mark.

996
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: But there you go, Lizabeth. That's how I played.

997
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: It was kind of not wrong because it's not like

998
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 3: Ming just suddenly flashed on him one day exactly for

999
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: no reason. I mean he got in the way of

1000
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: the cat hunting the cat or Yeah.

1001
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: I think it was actually a very I think the

1002
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: cat was jealous, you know, I think he was right.

1003
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: I think his read of Ming is that bing and

1004
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: he did have a bond. He sees this shadow and

1005
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: he's like, what the and then went to like I

1006
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: think it tearried out territorially or attack it.

1007
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's like he's, you know, the tigers

1008
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: a predator and they see a smaller creature. They're going

1009
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: to do what they're going to do, especially if it's

1010
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: skittish and moving quickly. And then but he gets in

1011
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 3: the way of the cat, of the big cat tigers,

1012
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: and the.

1013
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: Ming didn't like bite his head or his neck other areas.

1014
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: He was like, move, do something I need to We've

1015
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: got an interloper.

1016
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: You can't see there's a little kitten.

1017
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: Right behind you is something like a rat. I don't know.

1018
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: So what did the NYPD do once they arrive on

1019
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: the scene, Elizabeth did they went out firearms and come

1020
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: into the apartment.

1021
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 3: What did Lieutenant?

1022
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: They did not come in blazing. Instead, they unscrewed the

1023
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: people to the front door, tried to see if there

1024
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: was a tiger walking around. That plan failed, and they

1025
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: tried to lower a camera in from an upstairs apartment

1026
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 2: and look through the window. Again no luck. So someone

1027
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: would have to go into the apartment and bring the tiger.

1028
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: Out, and the alligator called the zoo and come out.

1029
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: The NYPD officers on the scene that first night, we're like, no,

1030
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: they left the tiger in the apartment. Now nobody's like.

1031
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 2: NYPD brass were like, you guys, you know we're gonna

1032
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: kick this one up. Was it one and one pp? Yes,

1033
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: there you go. So some cop was like, oh, I know,

1034
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: some cop overt one PP was like I know the

1035
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: answer the zoo. Yeah. So they were like, you know,

1036
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: they would know what to do. So the cops are like,

1037
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: there are people Bobby both and they're like, hey, Bronx zoo.

1038
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: Bronx was like, yeah, hey, NYPD, what do you all

1039
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: want the zoo. Keeper's like, is this a prank call?

1040
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: What do you mean you want to know if we

1041
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: want a free tiger. Cops are like, yeah, you guys

1042
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: have tigers. We got one more for him.

1043
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: Be cool.

1044
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: You guys need an alligator. They were like, that's not

1045
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: how a zoo works. This is not how we don't

1046
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: just have people calls going, hey, I got his.

1047
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: We had a sick ass lion too, Is it cool?

1048
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: No, it's like sick you're probably gonna like it may

1049
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: die in the ride over.

1050
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: It's not like riding a skateboard.

1051
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: The cops as I'm like, hey, that guy's sick ass line.

1052
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: So the cops asked, I'm like, hey, would you guys

1053
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: send over somebody who's good with tigers? You know, like

1054
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: that you got somebody maybe got a Thursday off the brox.

1055
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, good luck with that. No, they

1056
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: wouldn't go would help, So the zoo wouldn't take the tiger.

1057
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: It wouldn't help someone. NYPD post two officers outside the

1058
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: apartment door and they tell them don't let anyone into

1059
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: the apartment. Yeah, more importantly, don't let the tiger out.

1060
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: The two cops stood in front of the apartment.

1061
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 3: Go in there. Just give me a couple of bags

1062
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: and meat. That's a tranquilizer gun. Then you just you

1063
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: put tranquilizers in the meat and you throw it in there.

1064
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: Okay, and then you brother, you just quickly make your move.

1065
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you wait and like I would cut

1066
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: more like a little bit bigger hole than that's I

1067
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: could stick my face through the front door.

1068
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: They'd wait talking to him.

1069
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I watched him eat the tranquilizer meat and

1070
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: then my arm comes through the hole in the door.

1071
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: Two double tap, Yeah, double tap.

1072
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: So you got plans?

1073
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: They did, not, right, I always have one.

1074
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: Antoine Yates, He's like you, He's like, I need to

1075
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: get to my tiger. I got planned. So yeah, checked

1076
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: himself out of Harlem hospital against right, and he went

1077
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: back to his apartment to check on his tiger. The

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00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: two cops standing outside are like, we don't get what

1079
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: your apartment man, We got orders. No one goes inside,

1080
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: can't let the tiger out. So sorry.

1081
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: He's like, but I got that tiger in me, and

1082
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: then he volved them.

1083
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: He was still bleeding, so.

1084
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 3: Maybe he evolved into a tiger.

1085
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: Oh good call. No, so at twan he spent the

1086
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 2: night at a friend's apartment. The next day he fled

1087
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: to Philadelphia because he's like he once the drugs wore off,

1088
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: He's like, oh yeah, it's not gonna be good. I'm

1089
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: probably gonna lose my public housing. You're probably gonna come

1090
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: after me for having a tiger in my apartment. And

1091
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: then there's al MPD meanwhile left holding strategy meetings about

1092
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: what to do about the tiger and the Harlem apartment.

1093
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 2: So the Chief of Police, now John Seymour, he declared

1094
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: that the tiger was quote an emergency he madeority for NYPD.

1095
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: So the brass they phone around any of all wild

1096
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: animal agencies for advice. They so they say, anyone can

1097
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: help us get a tiger out of the apartment. Are like,

1098
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: is this a joke? Like no one believed at first.

1099
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: Finally the police came up to a very cop like conclusion.

1100
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: They're like, we're gonna have to shoot the tiger ourselves.

1101
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: We're just gonna have to do this, right, don't worry, Elizabeth,

1102
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: the tranquilizer gun. They came up with your solution. Now.

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00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: The next day, rookie officer Martin Duffy arrives at work

1104
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: and a veteran cop comes up to him. He's like, hey, rookie,

1105
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: got a job for you today, Martin. He's like, You're

1106
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: going to Harlem to shoot a tiger. He's like, come on, Joe,

1107
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: what am I really doing? You're going to Harlem to

1108
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: shoot a tiger?

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00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: They sent a rookie.

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00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So the cops had located Ming the Merciless

1111
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: in the apartment as well as Al the alligator. Both

1112
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: were inside, so the officers were given the green light

1113
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: for their mission shoot the tiger and Duffy arrives on

1114
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: the scene. He's handed a rope and a tranquilizer rifle.

1115
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 3: A rope.

1116
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. The plan was simple, Elizabeth. He would repel down

1117
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: the side. It's not a cowboy even. He's gonna repel

1118
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: down the side of the apartment building, get a visual

1119
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: of the tiger in the apartment. Once spotted, Rookie Copp

1120
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: will then have one chance to aim his rifle, fire

1121
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: the trank dart through the glass. And this is a plan,

1122
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: of course, which sounds all fine and good when you're

1123
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: on a rooftop, right, but then when you were like

1124
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: hanging off the side of the building, faced with.

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00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: You know, if I watched television and one of the

1126
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 3: shows that I watched was nine one lone star, yeah,

1127
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: I would say that this is like outrageous out from

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00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: that show.

1129
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when they had the chest compression on

1130
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: the guy who was frozen, or the the volcano mov

1131
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: on the guy the pool party. So now they got

1132
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: a cop hanging up the side of a building, dangling

1133
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: like fresh bait on a fisherman's line, clutching an air

1134
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: rifle in his one hand.

1135
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 3: I feel like they should have sent the fire department

1136
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 3: in instead.

1137
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: You would hope, right, man. But anyway, rookie Copper called

1138
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: what he was thinking. This is according Officer Duffy, I

1139
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: introduced the rifle into the window. I make sure the

1140
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 2: barrel isn't blocked by the child's safety gates because they're yeah,

1141
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: public housing child safety gates. And then he added, you

1142
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: one dart and I'm successful in hitting him. I hit him,

1143
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 2: and he jumps up, he runs away, and he runs

1144
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: up to the far wall of the bedroom and he

1145
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 2: turns around and he comes running back at the window

1146
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: at me. So now the tiger's pissed and coming right

1147
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 2: at him. So the child safety bars on the window.

1148
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: They're the only thing that's going to keep this tiger

1149
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: from jumping right and grabbing him and then making a

1150
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: fault five minutes so luckily for the rookie cob as

1151
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: he's staring into the eyes of the tiger and praying

1152
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: the big cat didn't jump again the second time, breaking

1153
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: through the glass. Instead, Ming hits the glass, bounces off again,

1154
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: runs around the apartment, and then the tranquilizer catches up

1155
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: to them fifteen minutes later, hun snoozing kitty nice. So

1156
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: once they're satisfied, tigers down, Emergency Service officers members of

1157
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: the Wildlife Conservation Society. That's where they finally got to

1158
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: come out. They enter the apartment, they pull Ming the

1159
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: ten foot Siberian tiger and Al the six foot long

1160
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: alligator out. They take them both the animal refuge areas

1161
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: and YPD officer is also able to catch up to

1162
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: Antoine Yates, who had been hiding out in the hospital

1163
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia.

1164
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: Oh, he had to go back in the hospital.

1165
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh yeah, that's what I mean. He left, tried

1166
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: to get his alligator and he's like, I can't get inside.

1167
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: I need to go back to the hospital. But you

1168
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: knew he couldn't go to a New York so he

1169
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: went to Philadelphia. He's like, I can take a train there.

1170
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 2: So detective from NYPD he locates Antoine interrogates them while

1171
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: he's in his hospital bed, all like, you know, met

1172
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: it up and he finally emits, okay, tiger's buying and

1173
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: I keep him out right, everything's ruined, and he's like,

1174
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: how about the alligator. Cant at least keep al and

1175
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: MIYPD He's like.

1176
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 3: You brough, we released them both into Central Park.

1177
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: You're good. You can visit them in the pond in

1178
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: Central Park. So dude, the detective arrests Antoine Yates in

1179
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 2: his hospital bed. He gets charged with first degree reckless

1180
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: endangerment of humans, along with two counts of possession of

1181
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: a wild animal, which in New York is a misdemeanor charge.

1182
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: So Antoine was facing seven years behind bars. Trial speedy,

1183
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: just like the constitution, but insistently right right yeah. In

1184
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: his initial court appearance, Antoine Yates explained to the judge

1185
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: and to the jury what his personal motivations were for

1186
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: keeping a tiger. He wanted them to understand, right, this

1187
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: is not a minianview he told me this is just

1188
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: right to the judge and jury, and I quote, he

1189
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: was abandoned. I know how abandonment feels. I feel heartbroken.

1190
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: I miss him a lot. He's like my brother, my

1191
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: best friend, my only friend. Really. So the court did

1192
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: take sympathy on Antoine Yates and they were this friendless

1193
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: man who we've taken his tire.

1194
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: With a lot of guys, you're gonna make a whole bunch.

1195
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: You'll have a lot in common. You'll all be upset

1196
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: with what we've done. So he gets convicted, found guilty,

1197
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: and receives a sentence of only five months. He's been

1198
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: facing seven years five months. Right after he served a sentence,

1199
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: he tried to get his tiger back. Obviously that did

1200
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: not happen. They shot my tiger thing down. They threw

1201
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: it out because they were like, there's a lot of

1202
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: politics to it. They couldn't let stuff get out because

1203
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: think about it, right, I raised a tiger in the projects.

1204
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: When you live in a New York City Housing Authority complex,

1205
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: it's mandated that people have to come in and do

1206
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: inspections quarterly, meaning they were supposed to become into my apartment,

1207
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: and they were putting it down that they've been in

1208
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: and checked apartment five E my apartment. Now you have

1209
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 2: that lie in black and white. You guys are checking

1210
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: his property all this time. You're telling me you never

1211
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: noticed this man has a tiger in there. You see

1212
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say. So it felt like I

1213
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: was going to go against the entire in New York City.

1214
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: How does a person who's never been in jail or

1215
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: trouble before get probation in jail time for a non

1216
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: violent crime. So he was. So that's why another reason

1217
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: why they kind of like went light on him. Ming

1218
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: was relocated to Noah's Lost Arc Sanctuary in Upstate New York.

1219
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: So Ming did make it to upstate and lived a

1220
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 2: long time. Eventually passed away in twenty nineteen. Okay, all right,

1221
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 2: so sixteen more years of life after this, And as

1222
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: Antoine Yates said, that's it. I just accepted that he

1223
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: was gone. It's no different than her brother or sister passed.

1224
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: I come to the reality that they're gone. I can't

1225
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: stop worry about that. And you know what, I do

1226
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: hold on to the memories that I have with them,

1227
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: sitting around playing buddy buddy. Maybe go get some fresh

1228
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: meat out of the kitchen. Hall. So, Elizabeth, what a

1229
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: ridiculous takeaway? Here?

1230
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 3: Where did al goo? Did all become shoes? Somewhere?

1231
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: No sanctuary? He went to the sanctuary at the alligator.

1232
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he went to an upstate farm.

1233
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the upstate farm.

1234
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 3: Upstake my takeaway? Let world be wild, right Zaren? Okay,

1235
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: look at me. What's your ridiculous takeaway? Oh my god,

1236
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: it's it's the cough medicine talking.

1237
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: I know I'm going to give you cough medicine all

1238
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: the time. So mine, Elizabeth, thank you for asking? Is

1239
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 2: it this story? I mean legitimate? Thank you for asking?

1240
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: Is that mine? As I keep repeating myself, is that

1241
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: this story is the real world version of that poem

1242
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: The Tiger by the six year old Nol. Do you

1243
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: remember you've seen it? Probably online? It goes the Tiger

1244
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: by Nol, aged six, The Tiger he destroyed his cage. Yes, yes,

1245
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: the Tiger is out.

1246
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 3: That's the best poem I've ever don poem.

1247
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: No oh yeah, it's always you'll see it on social media.

1248
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: It's it's like a haiku style thing, but it's obviously

1249
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: not a haiku because it's more than seventeen modern haiku.

1250
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 3: Oh you don't do a syllable count.

1251
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: Oh look at that? Then it is a haikup of

1252
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 2: the best kind. The tiger is out. Yes, yes. Anyways,

1253
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