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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Jim Pozl has a great biography. You can link up

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Speaker 1: to him at Coast to Coast AM dot com and

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Speaker 1: he knows what he's talking about. Years in the business

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Speaker 1: with OSHA compliance and both on industry side and trying

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Speaker 1: to keep track of regulations on another side. And now

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Speaker 1: he's the host of the Safety Wars podcast. So, Jim,

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Speaker 1: when you say safety wars right away, I'm wondering, like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well then who are the combatants in the safety war?

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Speaker 1: Who are the biggest players that keep us unsafe that

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Speaker 1: we have to have safety wars? Well, this is no

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Speaker 1: I get this plush and asked all the time, what

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Well, we on one side,

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Speaker 1: you have us rightful, however you want to define that

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Speaker 1: victims put right right? Yeah. On the other hand, and

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Speaker 1: is everything else that we have to deal with. It

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Speaker 1: could be a workplace situation where you have no employers

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Speaker 1: not following OSHA regulations, environmental regulations, things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: You can have government bureaucrats on the other hand. My opinion,

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Speaker 1: my personal opinion is that this whole thing with sovereign

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Speaker 1: immunity has to be revisited. Here, tell me what that means.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well, that means that they're not

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Speaker 1: responsible for any of the decisions that they make on

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Speaker 1: that after government, which allows a lot of people to

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Speaker 1: make decisions that in private industry. If I made the

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Speaker 1: same decision, I'd probably be in a federal prison somewhere. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But who's making who gets sovereign immunity? Basically emergency managers?

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Speaker 1: Police officers are another one that we've heard a lot

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Speaker 1: about that lately. Politicians, hands of agencies, government appointees, things

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Speaker 1: of that nature. Unless it's specifically a loss, one says

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Speaker 1: that there's they could be convicted of something. There is

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Speaker 1: really nothing that that could happen, and when they do,

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Speaker 1: guess one as slap on the wrist. For example, in Michigan, Flint,

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Speaker 1: Michigan with a lead in the water situation, there were

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Speaker 1: criminal convictions there with that and a couple of them

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Speaker 1: and they were just slaps on the wrists and they're

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Speaker 1: being appealed on everything else. Another one, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: a serious one with environmental but we just had one

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Speaker 1: here in the last couple of years in our neighborhood

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Speaker 1: I live right now in southern New York, in the

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Speaker 1: southern up state New York, but I grew up in

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Speaker 1: central New Jersey where we had allegedly members of the

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Speaker 1: Chris Christy administration a couple of years back, caused a

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Speaker 1: huge traffic jam. Right, They eventually got convicted of stuff,

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Speaker 1: and then they got overturned. That was a whole community.

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Speaker 1: It could be anything. The bridge kate think, all right,

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Speaker 1: so right, okay, well this is super cool, So let

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Speaker 1: me ask you then. The implication is, then, is somebody

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Speaker 1: who's in charge of our safety could flagrantly make a

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Speaker 1: bad call, right and and and know that they would

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Speaker 1: never be held accountable for it, except maybe they might

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Speaker 1: lose their gig. Other people could lose much more than that, Right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's essentially correct. And it's not only that when we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the safety war, it's no. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that I do with my program, and I get

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Speaker 1: hire to do this my clients, is to coach their

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Speaker 1: employees on how to be safe and to train them

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Speaker 1: and also how to address a lot of the safety

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Speaker 1: issues in their own workplace, their own environment, and everything else.

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of times worthy barrier that to our

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Speaker 1: own safety. A lot of times there's incentence in the

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Speaker 1: workplace and things of that nature. So and sometowed us

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Speaker 1: being advocates for ourselves. OSHA has a huge program called

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Speaker 1: the Outreach Training Program where there's four different areas that

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Speaker 1: you could go into. I have credentials in all four areas,

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Speaker 1: one of them being disaster to response and when they've

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Speaker 1: successful program over the years, but still needs some improvement

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Speaker 1: and things of that nature. So it's us sometimes too.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, our attitudes are lack of awareness.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes again, like my wife points out to me, not

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Speaker 1: everybody is into this, Jimmy. You know, yeah, now I'm

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Speaker 1: into it, And I think this is what's really interesting

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Speaker 1: is so when you brought up Flint, Michigan, that's what

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Speaker 1: me just says I don't care that they're testing five

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Speaker 1: It was an accumulative problem, and then when it got

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Speaker 1: bit worried about with the people, the good people of

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Speaker 1: We did the testing, All is good. Now. I heard

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Speaker 1: FEMA has finally agreed to come down and take a

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Speaker 1: even Jim posles four questions, and now we're done. But

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Speaker 1: five years from now is when the problem starts. I

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Speaker 1: see a situation here, and by the way, everything is

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Speaker 1: said is one hundred percent relevant here, all right, I

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Speaker 1: see what's going What if this is handled, No, especially

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Speaker 1: with some of the statements from the EPA administrator, this

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Speaker 1: is going to be alike similar to another Love canal

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Speaker 1: situation right into that. There's going to be ongoing monitoring here.

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Speaker 1: I think the only the final resolution here, and it

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Speaker 1: maybe ten twenty years down the line, is that this

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Speaker 1: tell you what, even with the testing in the homes,

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Speaker 1: all right, No, I'll give at a little bit technical here.

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Speaker 1: So you have this snake controlled demolition here, this controlled

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Speaker 1: explosion here and fire what probably was the right thing

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Speaker 1: the chemicals here? Well, now what do you do in

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Speaker 1: the houses? There's residues left behind possibly, right, and now

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Speaker 1: you're going to be sampling for those, whatever those are.

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Speaker 1: The question is now comes out what's safe? Like I

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Speaker 1: said previously, that's a legal definition. So for example, in air,

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Speaker 1: for example, I'll give you a couple of statistics here.

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Speaker 1: were good? Give me one, good one? Okay? So right now,

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Speaker 1: for air contamination in the workplace, there are five hundred

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Speaker 1: official exposure limits from the government, right, i'll call permissible

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Speaker 1: and who's going to determine what's safe and what's not

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Speaker 1: all quick example for uh no, uh for lead for example,

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Speaker 1: been other arguments that things are undermanned, which is part

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Speaker 1: this and guess no, the twenty twenty four elections are

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Speaker 1: coming up. Yeah, we call it like a like a

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Speaker 1: So so here here's what. First of all, I mean,

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Speaker 1: going to be affected by that? You know, that that

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Speaker 1: the fish. I mean this, how many parts per billion

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Speaker 1: those are done on animals and how they equate to humans. Again,

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Speaker 1: sell good right the public? And I think what I think,

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Speaker 1: that's what we're looking at when we're looking at it

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Speaker 1: East Palestine. And then when they say there's a thousand

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Speaker 1: a year of these is people will start thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 1: wait what and if it's a thousand, even if you

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Speaker 1: divided it by you know, as you said, it's like

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Speaker 1: let's go three a day, you know, I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of direct I was in a train derail

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Speaker 1: New Ones. I was in a passenger train derailment that

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Speaker 1: a train got derailed because it was so cold it

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Speaker 1: was it was well below zero about three days in

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Speaker 1: a row. It was like fifteen twenty below zero. And

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Speaker 1: I'm taking a commuter train back from college and one

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Speaker 1: of the either the ties I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: it was actually the rail itself cracked and it meant

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Speaker 1: that the train just kind of tipped over gently, fortunately

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Speaker 1: just it just like the train was moving five to

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Speaker 1: ten miles an hour whatever it was, it cracked and

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Speaker 1: then it just fell over. And everybody was fine, which

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Speaker 1: was good, and not every train car fell over, but

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Speaker 1: most of them did as a result of that derailment.

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Speaker 1: And you think, well, okay, that's a weather element. You

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Speaker 1: can't couldn't really predict that, and I don't think that

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Speaker 1: that was necessarily human error. But I'm really worried about

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Speaker 1: some of the train crashes that we've talked about where

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Speaker 1: there was drugs involved, cell phone involved, people who are

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Speaker 1: calling you, like the famous commuter the you know, the

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Speaker 1: Amtrak train crash that happened because somebody who's on a

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