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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, DJ Bucky here, the draft is right

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Speaker 1: you know, as we do the cluster busters. I spent

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Speaker 1: don't want is to be sitting there at thirty. You

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Speaker 1: can't get out. All the guys above the line are gone.

429
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Speaker 1: The guys right below the line are also gone. And

430
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Speaker 1: you're looking somewhere, Yeah, you don't, you don't want that,

431
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Speaker 1: but you gotta have a name ready because if you

432
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Speaker 1: can't get out, you can't get out. But this is

433
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Speaker 1: the other reason why say you're again, let's go back

434
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Speaker 1: to that scenario. You're picking thirty one and thirty thirty one,

435
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Speaker 1: and there you've got fifteen guys in your stack, and

436
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Speaker 1: now you get to pick twenty one. Fourteen of the

437
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Speaker 1: fifteen you're gone. Now all a sudden, you've got a

438
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Speaker 1: cup more picks, and you've got one guy left. It's

439
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Speaker 1: a game of chicken. Do we got one guy left

440
00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,680
Speaker 1: stick and wait or do you try and go get him?

441
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Speaker 1: And so that and that is that is the thing is.

442
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,880
Speaker 1: It's a little bit okay, so we got two guys live,

443
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Speaker 1: two guys left, six picks. Yeah, I don't know, should

444
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Speaker 1: we should we should we move up? Let's let's just

445
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Speaker 1: let's just wait and see if if one of them goes,

446
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Speaker 1: and then as soon as one of them goes, okay,

447
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Speaker 1: we'll get on the let's get our guy. So that's

448
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Speaker 1: kind of take you behind the scenes the are what

449
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Speaker 1: goes on there. I'm gonna rip through like three or

450
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Speaker 1: four more of these buck and then just you just

451
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Speaker 1: get on any of them that you think are interesting.

452
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Speaker 1: Here Quentin Nelson, the guard from Notre Dame. I have

453
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Speaker 1: him just talking to people around the league. Six to

454
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Speaker 1: eight seems to be the range there if the Cults

455
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Speaker 1: were there at six, Bucks at seven, Bears at eight,

456
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Speaker 1: I don't think he gets out of that range six

457
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Speaker 1: eight for him. Ro Kwan Smith and Tremaine Edmonds Man.

458
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that really really high on

459
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Speaker 1: these two linebackers, and you look at teams outside the

460
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Speaker 1: top ten, they keep asking me, is there any chance

461
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Speaker 1: one of those two guys will be there? I don't

462
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Speaker 1: think so. I think the way it's trending both those guys,

463
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Speaker 1: which is unusual too off the ball linebackers could go

464
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Speaker 1: in the top ten. UM Cowboys in the market for

465
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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. As we all know, we talked a

466
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Speaker 1: little bit about Sutton, but as safety because as some

467
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Speaker 1: people have seen it Byron Jones, a lot of talk

468
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Speaker 1: of him moving to corner, which frees him up for

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Speaker 1: a safety and if Derwin James and Minka Fitzpatrick are

470
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Speaker 1: both gone Buck, the sleeper name that I have there

471
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Speaker 1: is actually a corner and that's Josh Jackson from Iowa

472
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Speaker 1: converting the safety. Interesting move, UM, and I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of that would have been determined if you can

474
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Speaker 1: make that move based on what he was able to

475
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Speaker 1: do during the visit. Um, what kind of intelligence and

476
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Speaker 1: i Q and communication skills. Did he show doing those

477
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Speaker 1: meetings with the position coach and the de coordinator? Uh,

478
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Speaker 1: you love the ball skills And we actually saw something

479
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Speaker 1: happen with one of his teammates, Desmond King, in a

480
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Speaker 1: similar fashion. They put him in a situation with the

481
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Speaker 1: charges where he was around the ball. He had opportunity

482
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Speaker 1: to keep vision on the ball. He made a lot

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Speaker 1: of plays. And so for Josh Jackson Um he has

484
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Speaker 1: been deemed throughout this process because he didn't have a

485
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Speaker 1: great combat. When we look at tape, he makes a

486
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Speaker 1: lot of plays. The thing that I worry about on

487
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Speaker 1: the island is he athletic enough to kind of play.

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Speaker 1: He does have some similarities to Richard Sherman and how

489
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Speaker 1: he plays, But he could be a pretty good safety

490
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Speaker 1: if he has enough range, if he just plays enough

491
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Speaker 1: range to get over the top from the deep middle.

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Speaker 1: So that's interesting one. There a couple more here. Chiefs

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Speaker 1: Um Chiefs are not don't have a first round pick,

494
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Speaker 1: obviously that was from gone into Mahomes trade. But I

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Speaker 1: would keep an eye on them as a team that

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Speaker 1: can move up in that top thirty five, top forty range,

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Speaker 1: top of the second round. I don't know if they

498
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Speaker 1: can get into the bottom of the first round, but

499
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Speaker 1: top of the second round. Keep an eye on them.

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Speaker 1: I need a cornerbuck. You know, Marcus Peters has gone.

501
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Speaker 1: They lost a couple of the guys in position. I

502
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Speaker 1: know you bring over Fuller, but still I don't think

503
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Speaker 1: you're counting on Amerson to do much for you. They

504
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Speaker 1: need a corner of it, not a need a corner

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Speaker 1: at any of the legit corner. And the only way

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Speaker 1: they're going to get a guy that I believe can

507
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Speaker 1: be a high end front line start. Just's gonna have

508
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Speaker 1: to be someone that has a first round grade on them.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about these guys. I think the breaking point

510
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Speaker 1: when it comes to those first round players that can

511
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Speaker 1: do it. I think Isaiah Oliver to me is right

512
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Speaker 1: at the line. That's when the first to fall off.

513
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Speaker 1: I think it starts to fall off. And that's saying

514
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Speaker 1: like I have him, Alexander uh Hughes, I have a

515
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Speaker 1: ward to anyone else that we're missing in that Dante

516
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Speaker 1: Jackson is inside Dante Jackson. That's a guy. But I

517
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Speaker 1: think once you get the Isaiah Oliver, I think Isaiah

518
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Speaker 1: is the last of those guys that I think our

519
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Speaker 1: first round of like first round of types on the

520
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Speaker 1: outside that you feel like day one we can pill

521
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Speaker 1: put them in the starting line up, no question. Uh.

522
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Speaker 1: Last three I had here h keep an eye on

523
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Speaker 1: the Bills, especially if they can't get up, they're gonna

524
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Speaker 1: have to invest heavily on the offensive line. You lose

525
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Speaker 1: three key guys when you talk about uh Wood, Glen

526
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Speaker 1: and Incognito, those are three building blocks up front, so

527
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Speaker 1: they have to go heavy on the offensive line. Maybe

528
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Speaker 1: it's not at twelve and twenty two, but maybe with

529
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Speaker 1: those next couple of picks, I think you see them

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Speaker 1: focus on the offensive line. Chargers, We're gonna talk to

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Speaker 1: Luke Falk a little bit later on in the episode.

532
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Speaker 1: That's a name you here with the Chargers round two

533
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Speaker 1: for them trying to find Philip Rivers replacement. I don't

534
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Speaker 1: think they do it in round one. Falk, Rudolph Loletta,

535
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Speaker 1: guys like that. I would keep an eye on the

536
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Speaker 1: Chargers potentially taking one outside a round one and the

537
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Speaker 1: last one Dante Jackson. We just talked about him, uh,

538
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Speaker 1: kind of the forgotten corner, but teams are high on

539
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Speaker 1: him because they view them as the best nickel in

540
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Speaker 1: the Draftbuck And as we know the way the board

541
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Speaker 1: and the way the games played, right now, you you've

542
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Speaker 1: the starter starter, Nicol. Nicol is your twelve starter. On

543
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Speaker 1: some depth charge they listed Nickels as a starting player. So, um,

544
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Speaker 1: then Nicle needs to be able to play. He needs

545
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Speaker 1: to be um fast, athletic. He also needs to be

546
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Speaker 1: tough enough and physical enough to get people down. I

547
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Speaker 1: do want to say this, I wonder with the Bills

548
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Speaker 1: online losses. I know early in the off season they

549
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Speaker 1: were so obsessed with putting themselves in a position to

550
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Speaker 1: get a quarterback. I wonder if they regret giving up

551
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Speaker 1: Corty Glenn if they knew that Richie Incognito was going

552
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Speaker 1: to retire, because now you basically have lost an entire side,

553
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Speaker 1: the left side. Um, because Richie was playing. Was Richie

554
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Speaker 1: playing left or right? Either way he's playing on that

555
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Speaker 1: He's playing on the left, so I'm pretty sure he's

556
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Speaker 1: playing on left. Um. But regardless, you lose, and you

557
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Speaker 1: lose three starters. Yeah, that's a lot. That's that's a

558
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Speaker 1: lot of replace in a draft where we say you

559
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Speaker 1: can get inside guys, but it would be tougher to

560
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Speaker 1: get tackles, and so who's going to be the guy

561
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Speaker 1: who plays? And I like and I like Dion Dawkins,

562
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Speaker 1: a young player at a temple is a tough kid.

563
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Speaker 1: But they need another tackle and they need some interior help.

564
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Speaker 1: So I would keep an eye on them potentially getting

565
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Speaker 1: heavy into the offensive line there in this draft. Um,

566
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Speaker 1: all right, Buck, that's kind of what I'm hearing. Anything

567
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Speaker 1: you want to throw in there, any other any other

568
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: stuff that's flying around. I think I think you pickyback

569
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Speaker 1: a lot. Like we're having a lot of the same conversations.

570
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Speaker 1: You know, we talked about a sudden Rokuan Smith is

571
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Speaker 1: a guy that has a lot of those. There's some

572
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Speaker 1: people to say, like, we can't believe that he's not

573
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Speaker 1: being discussed in the top five. I think some of

574
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Speaker 1: that has certainly been clouded. I think if the Colts

575
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Speaker 1: can't get out, I think that ro Kwan or Edmonds

576
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Speaker 1: make a lot of sense for them there. I think

577
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Speaker 1: people have we've penciled in Quentin Nelson there at six.

578
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if one of those two linebackers

579
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Speaker 1: went went up in that spot. If they can't get

580
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Speaker 1: out a couple of a couple of sleepers I mentioned

581
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Speaker 1: at the top here before we get to this, Luke

582
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Speaker 1: falk In uh In Doll for interview. One of my

583
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: favorite stories met Luis Perez over the weekend quarterback at

584
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Speaker 1: Texas A and M Commerce, who won the Harlem Hill Award,

585
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Speaker 1: which is a heisman for a Division two, won the

586
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Speaker 1: national championship through for darn near five thousand yards. I

587
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Speaker 1: think it was actually um and forties six touchdowns. I'm

588
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Speaker 1: crazy like that. Actually, then went back and watched him

589
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Speaker 1: on tape and he's got some ability. I think he's

590
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Speaker 1: gonna be a late a chance to be a late

591
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Speaker 1: round pick or going to be a priority free agent.

592
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Speaker 1: But Buck, this is the darnedest store I've ever heard

593
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Speaker 1: about a player I know, I called called Buck. I'm like, hey,

594
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this. This kid because I grew

595
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Speaker 1: up down in San Diego, so I know the area. Well,

596
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Speaker 1: he went to high school down there and TU livest

597
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Speaker 1: at Otai Ranch High School, and uh, his freshman year

598
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Speaker 1: he was telling me he went out to play football

599
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Speaker 1: and they had him at wide receiver and they were

600
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Speaker 1: like a wing T team. So that's like, this is

601
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Speaker 1: the worst. So he was out. He bailed. So he

602
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: gets into bowling and becomes this phenomenal bowler who's traveling

603
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Speaker 1: around going to bowling tournaments all over the country. Says,

604
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Speaker 1: bowled twelve perfect games. Roy Munson he was like Roy Munson,

605
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Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. He's bigger and McCracken. So he he

606
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: is like a legit, a budding bowling superstar. And then

607
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Speaker 1: his this is why he's in high school. His last

608
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Speaker 1: his last, the last high school football game. Though of

609
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: the season, he didn't go. They didn't go to any

610
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Speaker 1: high school football games. He wasn't even into it, but

611
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Speaker 1: his buddies begged him to come to the last home game.

612
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: Goes to their last home game. His buddies come out

613
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Speaker 1: of the tunnel and gets his juices flow and he's like, man,

614
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Speaker 1: I want to play football. He's never played in high school.

615
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Speaker 1: So he goes to Southwestern Junior College and coach their

616
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Speaker 1: named Ed Carberry, who I've known. He's kind of a

617
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Speaker 1: legendary coach in San Diego. He's to coach high school

618
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Speaker 1: at Moni Vesta and then he's, uh, he's been there.

619
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Speaker 1: Monivesta had Michael Whitley remember him, played oh Cowboys team anyways,

620
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Speaker 1: coach Carburry down there, so he goes to Southwestern Junior

621
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Speaker 1: College and wants to walk on. So he goes, that's fine,

622
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Speaker 1: but you're number nine on the quarterback list. Kids never

623
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Speaker 1: played quarterback. He told me. He was on YouTube trying

624
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Speaker 1: to learn how to play the position, on YouTube, getting

625
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Speaker 1: tips and ideas of what to do. So he's there

626
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Speaker 1: for two weeks. Carberry tells him, Uh, hey, look, there's

627
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Speaker 1: not enough reps to go around. I'm gonna cut you.

628
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Speaker 1: He goes, well, you can't. You can cut me, but

629
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna still come to practice every day and be

630
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Speaker 1: off to the side because you haven't given me a

631
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Speaker 1: chance Shi and I need at least get a chance.

632
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: So he sticks with it. Long story short, he ends

633
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: up climbing up to number two on the depth chart.

634
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: The starter gets hurt. He gets in first game, throws

635
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: for three hundred three touchdowns, rushes for a touchdown. It's crazy,

636
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: and then he ends up I guess breaking his leg

637
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: the next game. So long one game and then comes

638
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: so then then he ends up somehow, he ends up

639
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: getting uh preferred walk ons from like Oklahoma State, a

640
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Speaker 1: couple other in division one schools with Texas M Commerce

641
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: Division two says hey, we'll bring in. So he goes

642
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: there red shirts a year, starts a year, has a

643
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: great year, takes him I think in the second round

644
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: of the playoffs, you know, as far as they've ever

645
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: been in the playoffs. And then his last year there,

646
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: he goes and wins the National Championship, the Harlem Hill Award,

647
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: played the NFL p A game. He's been talking to

648
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: some teams, so he's got a shot. This dude was

649
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: a bowler in high school and has a chance to

650
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: be an NFL quarterback. Might be my favorite story. Doesn't

651
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: have on the p B A combine anymore. No, no, no,

652
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: that's a fallback, though. It's a nice fallback. But there's video.

653
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: I trust me, you gotta look at this video. There's

654
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: video of him picking up a one ten split between

655
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: his legs. He bowls the ball between his legs and

656
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: picks it up. It's unbelievable. I've never heard a story

657
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: like this in my life. Yeah, let's do a three

658
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: sixty on him. Yeah he needs a mini three sixty. Yeah,

659
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: maybe a one eight. So that's great. I'm gonna show

660
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: you this video here Ernie McCracken a football. Oh it's

661
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: so it is so good. You all right here you go.

662
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: Watch this. This is between his legs. Watch this, Buck,

663
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: he puts a little spin on that and he watch

664
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: it completion. No, he knew it was in. Oh that

665
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: is so good. I'm so I'm a fan. He is

666
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: a great kid. Get a chance to visit with him, so, uh,

667
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: definitely one to to keep an eye on there. Luisa

668
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: Perez another a sleeper to our various more. I know

669
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 1: our buddy Lances. Their line has been talking about him

670
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: for a long time. Southern miss safety ran for or

671
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: three two it is at his pro day. Got a

672
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: chance to finally study him. He is a really good safety.

673
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: Uh lean real, real smooth athletic kid. Um. He's got

674
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: a great change of direction. You know. I see him

675
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: to get a little bit thicker. Um, he's six nine

676
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: pounds ran four three two. Um. But man, you know

677
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: I thought he was a really good player. Buck, he's

678
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: got some ball skills. He's somebody didn't go to the combine.

679
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: I think is gonna hear at worst you're talking about

680
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: a fourth rounder. I gave my third round grade. But

681
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: a really good player there so there's some there's some

682
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: good guys that weren't guys. How about how about for me? Like,

683
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: it's funny because over the weekend I was doing all

684
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: these wide receivers. I was stick to our receiver. Uh yes,

685
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: thank you freaking my language. Yeah. Like the way that

686
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: he played obviously he got a little buzz when you

687
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: got that uh offensive MV in the East West Shrine.

688
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: But then when you watch him on tabe, like he

689
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: has some athleticism, he has some ball skills. Does this

690
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: job when balls look anytime? I'm telling when you go

691
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: back and digging the research and they can win um

692
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: state eats and long jump and hurdles, sprints, says something

693
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: about him. And so that kind of athleticism when you

694
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: when you're down at the bottom, when you're down into

695
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: fifth and looking for guys who have remarkable traits like

696
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: that speed is ridiculous. And I think it's going to

697
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: help him be a guy that gets a little juice.

698
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: You guys are looking at bowling videos behind the glass.

699
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: YEA great? Is that? That's awesome? He's the most intriguing

700
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: man in the Draft's interesting man? Yeah? Um, the another one.

701
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: A couple of other other guys here down the line,

702
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: guys PJ. Hall. Look, I gave PJ. Hall like a

703
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: third round grade, this defensive tackle from sam Houston State.

704
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: He just over six eight, but he is explosive. I

705
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: put a couple of videos out there on my Instagram page.

706
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: Um you can check check it out. Just move the

707
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: sticks on there. But you can see when he is.

708
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: He can play up and down the line. He's got

709
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: a little you know, it's it's sacrilegice to say it,

710
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: but he's got a little Aaron Donald to him. Buck.

711
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: He's like that. He's like the he's like the small

712
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: school Aaron Donald. But he is dynamic, twitched up, and

713
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: he's he's a very productive player. So he's another one

714
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Uh. A guy that's getting some buzz is

715
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: Tremont Smith. Uh small school corner man. I The first

716
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: game I watched on him though, was against Kansas State

717
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: and Pringle Pringle got him all that. I'm not a

718
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: big Pringle guy, so that hurt me. Uh So I

719
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily drinking that kool laid as much, but yeah,

720
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: it's fun. I actually full disclosure when I get to

721
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: this point in the process. I mean, I'm not doing

722
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: a full three game work up on these guys. It's

723
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: literally I'm watching the first twenty five plays to see

724
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: if they're worth if you don't, if you don't flash

725
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: flash ways, then I'm onto the next one. And so

726
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of how you do it. It's not enough

727
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: time in the day to watch all these dudes. So

728
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we are in the process. But

729
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: it's a fun, fun stuff. That's funny. You're flash scouting scans.

730
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: We called it skan scouting, and he just popped right away.

731
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: Phil Savage was our boss and with the Ravens, and

732
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: he used to always talk about spring scouting. So once

733
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: the drafts over, for those who don't know, you'll start

734
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: doing some spring and summer work on guys to just

735
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: again get him in the right gush, get him in

736
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: the right neighborhood for the false when you go in

737
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: your visit, you're a little bit familiar with him. But

738
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: he used to always say, you know, in the summer, guys, look,

739
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: put your feet up. You can have your tennis racket

740
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: in one hand, put your feet up on the desk

741
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: and just kind of keep an eye on it. You know,

742
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: It's not like you're you don't need to be locked

743
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: out LA trying to where the line up? Okay, I

744
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: know where to find him when we when I go

745
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: in there in the fall and get a decent feel

746
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: for him. But I always were thinking, like Phil, none

747
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: of us played tennis, have kindis rackets. Anyways, Hey, let's

748
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: let's get to our interviews. Here. We got a couple

749
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: of interviews. I hope you enjoy him here. Luke Falk first,

750
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: followed by Trent Dilfer. All Right, Buck, we got our

751
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: our good friend. Luke Falk joined the show. I got

752
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: a chance to visit with him down at the Senior

753
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: Bowl and wanted to check up with him and see

754
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: what's going on. Look, how you doing, manh, I'm doing well.

755
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing good? What have you been

756
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: up to? Simple question? Uh, just a lot of a

757
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: lot of workouts, a lot of visits. Uh, just staying busy,

758
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: so and and staying busy. What are some of the

759
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: things that you've been trying to show evaluate he's doing

760
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: those workouts. I think one thing is just the arm strength. Uh.

761
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: People are trying to knock me on it, but I

762
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: think we've done a really good job of going out

763
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: there and uh, you know, showing we got uh you

764
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: know NFL ARM franchise quarterback arm and uh so you know,

765
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm I've been really happy with how the workouts have

766
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: been going, and uh, you know, how the whole process

767
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: has been. Have you noticed a difference? I mean, is

768
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: it kind of the same formula you get with different

769
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: teams or are you still seeing, Hey, some guys coming

770
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: here they only want you to throw uh these couple

771
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: of routes where other teams want to see different things.

772
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean, how is it from team to team in

773
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: the workout process for those who don't know, Yeah, it varies.

774
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 1: I mean some teams they kind of have the same

775
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: style as other teams, but you know there there's others

776
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 1: that they'll put you through an hour long workout. Some

777
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: only want to see you throw thirty balls. So you know,

778
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: it just varies. You know. And in thinking about the

779
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: workout part of it, or to visits, what has it

780
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: been like for you to get on the board. You

781
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: there's always this conversation about air raid quarterbacks and how

782
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: do you assimilate to the league. How has that part

783
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: been from you? That's been really fun for me? I

784
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: feel like Uh, you know, my foot bique is pretty good. Um.

785
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, I did a lot of the lion screamage

786
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: at Washington State, so it's been fun for me to

787
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: get up on the board and uh you know, just

788
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: show NFL teams that that I know ball and uh

789
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: you know that I'm ready to play. Has there been

790
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: one area just footwork wise or mechanically at all, that

791
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: you've that you've really tried to hone in and work

792
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: on during this phase. Well, I think just you know,

793
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: the under center stuff, tempo and drops, getting getting your

794
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: depth on them. Uh you know, but that will be

795
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: something that I've got to work on and continue to

796
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: work on, just not playing underneath uh you know in

797
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: my college career. But you know, I think it's been

798
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: going real well. Um, I've had a lot of fun

799
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: with it, just watching when I got a chance to

800
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: go down there and watch you throw while you're training,

801
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: and then getting even a chance to see at the combine,

802
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: I thought your feet looked great for somebody who had

803
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: been in the gun exclusively. Did you, guys, ever at

804
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: all take snaps under center and practice or were you

805
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: working that in the offseason. I just find it hard

806
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: to believe you could be at that level and as

807
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: smooth and as comfortable as you were having not done it. Yeah,

808
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: well I appreciate it. Um. In the seven on seven

809
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: and summers, we'd always go under center. Coach Leach wanted

810
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: us to get our timing down that way, so he

811
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: felt like it'd be easier for us in the gun.

812
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate, uh, you know, that work that

813
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: he had us to do in the summer, and I

814
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: think it really helped me. You know, I think it's

815
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: gonna pay off for me. So over the next few

816
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: weeks as the draft is getting near, what's what's kind

817
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: of the plan? What's the plan for you to get

818
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: ready for draft? A. Uh, well, I gotta knock out

819
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: a few more few more workouts and then uh you know,

820
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: after that, I'm just gonna you know, continue to stay

821
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: in shape and then uh just kind of keep my

822
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: mind off it. Um. I think, uh, my fiance and

823
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: I and my dog are going to go somewhere, uh

824
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, five five days before, you know, get get

825
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: away from everything and uh, you know, just turn our

826
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: phones off and just hang out. How tough has that been, Like,

827
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: I mean going through the process, Like how tough is

828
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: it now? Because you have the Internet and you have

829
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: all the TV shows kind of dedicated to the draft,

830
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: how hard is it to kind of stand your bubble

831
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: and tonight get swayed by what the opinions that are

832
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: floating out there about Luke falkon where he may wind up. Yeah,

833
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, I stay off that stuff. I think it's uh,

834
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: you know people around you that are always on it

835
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: and then they're trying to tell you where you're predicting

836
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: all that, So I just I just tell them that

837
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't pay attention to it. And you know you

838
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: will see on and draft night, so you know me personally,

839
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't really use my phone all that much. So

840
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: it's it's not that hard. Now. I've talked to you

841
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: about this a little bit before off camera, but for

842
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: those that don't know, just when I when I watch you,

843
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: I brought it up to you even said have you

844
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: have you studied Tom Brady? Have you spent any time

845
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: watching what he does? Because from a mechanical standpoint, I

846
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: think some of this goes with some of the people

847
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: you've worked under, But just mechanically in terms of where

848
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: you are with your left side, uh, keeping everything nice

849
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: and tight and help help obviously with accuracy, but you

850
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: look like a spitting image of Tom in terms of

851
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: your drop, your mechanics. You're set up your approach and

852
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: then gett a chance to visit with you. That's not

853
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: totally by accident. You know, he's the guy that I watched,

854
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, all growing up. So you just try to

855
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: model after somebody see and then uh, you know, been

856
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to work with Adam at oh, John Beck

857
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: and uh you know, Taylor Kelly and those guys down there.

858
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you saying that it's a big compliment

859
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: to me, but uh, you know, I think, uh, I think,

860
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, just watching him and just trying to amulate

861
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: my game after him. What about the diet though, have

862
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: you brought in you know they're putting me on this

863
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: big weight game diet right now, just trying to get

864
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: our numbers up. So I wouldn't say I'm eating kel

865
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: and avocad all the time. There's time for that. That

866
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: that's the next phase. That would be the next phase. Yeah,

867
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: that is funny. So I think it's funny because you

868
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: talked about pattern your game after time. If you could

869
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: ask him one question, what will be the one question

870
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: that you want to know learn from him the one thing.

871
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: This is a routine, you know. I want to know

872
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: what he does on a daily basis. Um. I tried

873
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: to tried to find it out in the TV twelve book,

874
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: but you know he's not He's not giving up the

875
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: secrets there. No, you gotta watch the Facebook show. I

876
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: did find find Daily Rokids. So when you're watching, when

877
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: you're watching Tom Vers this time on Facebook, do you

878
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: have like a notebook out? Are you taking notes? You're

879
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: You're just you're just enjoying it now. I was just

880
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: I just watching down to the Senior Bowl, So I

881
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: was I was watching it at night and uh, just

882
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: hanging out. Josh Allen was watching. I can't even remember

883
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: what he was watching. But that's great. There's nothing wrong

884
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: with that because I'm always trying to steal ideas from

885
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: the great ones, and I think he obviously is one

886
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: of the greatest and not the greatest to ever do it.

887
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: And so I commend you for trying to follow this

888
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: footsteps and to take some of this stuff, because what

889
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: he has shown is that you can play at a

890
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: high level, uh for a long time if you do it.

891
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: The right way mentally and physically. So the last question

892
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: for me, Luke is during this process, the Senior Bowl

893
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: and the guys you've been training with, you get a

894
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: chance to develop some relationships with guys maybe you didn't

895
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: know before this process started. Give me can you give

896
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: me one guy that you would just say you put

897
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: your stamp on as a dude and just say you've

898
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: got to know him through this process and and you

899
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: kind of let you play scout, just kind of vouch

900
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: for somebody. Is there somebody out there for us? Um?

901
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: You know, I really like U. C. L. A. Center Quisenberry,

902
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: Uh Scotty. I call him golden eyes because he's got

903
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 1: some freaking golden eyes. But he's like, he's a great

904
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: he's a great dude. Um. At the Senior Bowl, Uh,

905
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: you know, I had a great time with him, and

906
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: you know, I thought he did a great job. See

907
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: that's helpful. We always keep track of that kind of stuff. Hey,

908
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: look man, we wish you, wish you the best luck.

909
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time out for today. I know

910
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: you've been crazy busy with all these workouts, but we're

911
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: we can't wait to see what happens on draft weekend

912
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: and find out where you're going. Well, thanks for having

913
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: me on, guys, go Coog's all right, Buck, excited to

914
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: welcome in our buddy Trent Dilfer here. Uh six overall

915
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: pick the night to draft, but really he's kind of

916
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: the caretaker of quarterbacks is the official title that I'm

917
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: giving him here. Trent. How you doing man, I'm doing great, guys.

918
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: Fun to be with both of you. Well, we we're

919
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: looking forward to this conversation. I want to first at

920
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: the top here. You gotta explain to me stolen science here.

921
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Explain to me what's going on here with you and

922
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: John Brinkis. Yeah, super fun project obviously been out the

923
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: media for a year. Um. John and I became really

924
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: close friends about five years ago while we're both working

925
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: at ESPN, and uh kind of always brainstormed and dreamed

926
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: around doing a partnership together. I loved his soul and side.

927
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I loved his sports science pieces. I was

928
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: always a big fan. He was out of Monday Night

929
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: Football a lot with us as we're doing Monday Night

930
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: football putting together pieces. He always appreciated my pilling back

931
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: the layers of players and trying to dig a little

932
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: bit deeper than just the typical analysis UM. And then

933
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: last year, as we're both bored to death sitting around

934
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: watching football instead of talking about it, we started coming

935
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: up with this idea to do short form content pieces

936
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: UM that kind of combined both of our strengths UM,

937
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: trying to find something unique where we can dive, take

938
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: a really deep dive into players, starting with quarterbacks, are

939
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: really going to all sports, UH, doing the old sports

940
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: science pieces which won six EMM means for John Brancus

941
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: and his team, and adding in the soul component, which

942
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: really opens it up for anything. UM that kind of

943
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: the essence of why how these athletes find their excellence?

944
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: There Obviously is a tangible piece, a measurable piece, but

945
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: there's also immeasurable piece UM and kind of exploring that

946
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: and doing some cool stuff around it. So we started

947
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: this year's draft quarterback class. We met with most of them,

948
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: tested them out in southern California, UM, sent some good

949
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: time with them, and came up with these short form

950
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: content pieces which will air starting Wednesday an NFL network.

951
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: Very cool now that sounds sounds really cool. Naturying you

952
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: and I go all the way back, not only dre

953
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: same draft class ninety four, use six. I'm forty eight,

954
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: but now I'm doing something still a lot better than me,

955
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: not really, but now doing all this stuff with a

956
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: lead eleven. And so your perspective is unique because obviously

957
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: you see him in high school, you se him in college,

958
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: you get to know him as pros. How much of

959
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: that knowledge from high school are you able to bring

960
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: and introduce in the Soul and science piece? It's massive.

961
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: It's really that unique access that we talked about in

962
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: the pieces, um, you know, as you guys know. Let

963
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: me kind of golf on a tangent here. I have

964
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: three daughters that are competitive volleyball players, and when they

965
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: started playing at the younger ages, I had this friend

966
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: that was on my oldest daughter who was the father

967
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: of a girl my oldest daughter's team. He had coached

968
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: girls basketball forever, and he taught me a really valuable

969
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: lesson that I've learned really that transcends to all sports,

970
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: is that what a kid is at twelve, thirteen, fourteen

971
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: as a competitor, not as an athlete, um, not in

972
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: terms of their i Q, but as a competitive their

973
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: natural instincts, what's inside of them. I think some calk.

974
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: Their competitive temperament really doesn't change that much. It evolves

975
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: and it can get better. Um, but it's kind of

976
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: the core of who they are. I say that because

977
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: I've learned that's true with football players. Also. When you

978
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: get a kid in high school, uh it really any position,

979
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: but especially quarterback, and you start to understand what makes

980
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: them tick. You start to understand, um, all the things

981
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: in their background that have built them competitively to where

982
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: they're at to that point. That doesn't really change a

983
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: whole lot. Older they get again, it evolves and hopefully

984
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: it gets better, um, but the core is the same.

985
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: So I got to know most of these kids really

986
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: well as we went on that Elite leven journey with them,

987
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: and it really allows me to when I look at

988
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: them not just from a physical standpoint in their traits,

989
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: but from a competitive makeup. How they think, how they

990
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: talk to themselves, how they act under pressure, how they

991
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: respond to adversity, how they interact with their teammates. Are

992
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: they entitled or are they grinders? Um? All the all

993
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: those different things been go on forever. A lot of

994
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: that hasn't changed, It's evolved, as I've said, Um, but

995
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: the core of who they are is to say him

996
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: as they were in their sixteen seventeen years old and

997
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: and that's really what we try to touch on in

998
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: the soul in science pieces. And as I've looked at

999
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: this draft class, which I personally think it's going to

1000
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: be historic quarterback draft class, um, I think a lot

1001
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: of that goes back to what I found out about

1002
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: these kids when we evaluate him and coach them through

1003
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: the Elite eleven. Well, that that brings me right to

1004
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: the first one we can talk about here. Let's go.

1005
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: Let's start with Sam Donald here, somebody going through that

1006
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: process when you first became familiar with him. I know

1007
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: he was kind of a late bloomer, haven't played another

1008
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: position there at Saint Clementi before moving to quarterback. But

1009
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: how about him? You talked about being able to learn

1010
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: about them as as sixteen seventeen year olds, how they think,

1011
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: how they interact, how they lead? Are they grinders? What

1012
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: did you learn about the young version of Sam Donald?

1013
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: Natural and everything that he does. The first tape I

1014
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: ever saw on Sam was in football tape. It was

1015
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: high school basketball tape. He had broken his ankle three

1016
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: games into his junior year at San clement A and Uh,

1017
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of junior football tape on him.

1018
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: He played a different position that before. Uh. And then

1019
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: Joey Roberts, who both of you know very well, our

1020
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: director scouting the lead eleven Um had set me one night,

1021
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: late one night a link to his basketball huddle film

1022
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, you gotta check this get out.

1023
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: And at the time Sam, I don't think Sam had

1024
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: any offers. You can check with him, but I don't

1025
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: think he had any offers. He was really low on

1026
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people's radar. And I watched him play

1027
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: basketball and I said, whoa, this is a And again

1028
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It's not like I was watching Michael Jordan's play.

1029
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: But for what my eye was looking for, the natural

1030
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: body movement, the body controlled, the competitiveness, the sacrifice for

1031
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: his team. He covered the point, he covered the post,

1032
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: he dribble, a crossover, step back, he took into the hole,

1033
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: he dished, he ran the floor. He truly was everything

1034
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: you're looking for um as a competitor as well as

1035
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: an athlete. Uh. And I said, hey, if if this

1036
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: kid can throw it at all, and if he's coachable,

1037
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: and this is what we're looking for. And as we

1038
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: went through the spring and end up trying out in

1039
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: May and in Oakland, it was obvious after about five

1040
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: balls that he threw that this was going to be

1041
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: a special prospect because you remember, you're looking for kids.

1042
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: The kids that have high ceilings are the ones that

1043
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: haven't been overtrained at sixteen seventeen years old, so you

1044
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: can kind of get a feel for their raw traits. UM.

1045
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: But also you could say, wow, there's a great piece

1046
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: of clay, and if you could mold this kid the

1047
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: right way, the ceiling is exponentially high. And that's how

1048
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: he felt about Sam. Now, he hadn't played a lot

1049
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: of football, he did not have the greatest elite eleven

1050
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: UM experience. Well he had a great experience and have

1051
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: the greatest of lead level performance we've ever seen, UM.

1052
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: But he grew every rep he took the coaching. I

1053
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: mean that's when him and Jordan Palmer really developed this

1054
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: special relationship that exists today. Is is JP saw the

1055
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: same thing we all did and kind of took him

1056
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: under his wing, and and uh, you can just and

1057
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,479
Speaker 1: I still see the growth that's there, Like he hasn't

1058
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: even come close to tapping into his potential. Uh, that's

1059
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: why I really believe he's kind of a I've used

1060
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: this term of transcendent type talent. All right, let's let's

1061
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: switch over to Josh Rosen here, Trent. Uh, it's You've

1062
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: talked about it a bunch. It's all out there. Why

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00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: don't you just for those they're listening to this or

1064
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: watching this and aren't familiar, Josh Rosen's at lead eleven

1065
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: experience of anybody. I think if you pulled every single

1066
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: quarterback to come through a lead eleven, I think you

1067
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: get overwhelmingly glaring just positive reviews. But Josh Rose and

1068
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: that experience wasn't great for him or you. And that

1069
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: is that accurate, very accurate. Um Rear's digest version. Josh

1070
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: was the number one prospect in the country. I saw

1071
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: a uniqueness in him, and I made the mistake of

1072
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: kind of going at him too hard. Um. He wasn't.

1073
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: And he would tell you this by that if we

1074
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: were doing a converse call together, he he would agree

1075
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: with I think everything I'm about to say. He didn't

1076
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: really want to get coached. He he was so successful

1077
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: at John Bosco. He had a great offensive coordinator there,

1078
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: that had taught him a lot of football to that point. Um,

1079
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: they did things a very specific way that was successful,

1080
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: and I wanted to introduce him to kind of an

1081
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: NFL curriculum and bypassed the college experience because I felt

1082
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: he was that kind of good. Um. That was a

1083
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: mistake because I coached him too hard. I was too

1084
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: hard on him, and then I made some public comments

1085
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: about his unwillingness to be coached that I should never

1086
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: have made. Uh. And we had a lot of friction

1087
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: between the two of us. He did not have a

1088
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: very good experience and a very good performance. Uh. It

1089
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: was probably my poorest job as a coach and all

1090
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: my years of the lad eleven. Uh, So it was

1091
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: not good for you to one of us. Now, what

1092
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: was amazing about Josh and really where I changed my

1093
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: whole outlook on Josh was last summer without me asking him,

1094
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: Brian Stump, the president of Student Sports, asked him to

1095
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: come be a counselor for us, and he was more

1096
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: than willing to be a counselor. So me and him

1097
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: and I have a good relationship. Yet he chose to

1098
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: come to South southern California be a counselor helped these

1099
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: kids out, and while he was there, really engaged with

1100
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: me and and asked me to kind of go back

1101
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: a couple of years and reintroduce him to that stuff

1102
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: I was trying to coach him on when he was seventeen.

1103
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: That showed a lot of growth, showed a lot of humility, Uh,

1104
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: showed a lot of maturity on him on his end. Uh.

1105
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: Josh and I have a great relationship now. UM. I

1106
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: think we both have recognized that we didn't handle that

1107
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: Elite eleven experience very well. And I really come to

1108
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: admire Josh and I understand him better too, and understand

1109
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: what happened in U c l A. And understand some

1110
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: of these narratives they're going on around him and and

1111
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: why they've stuck UH. And I feel like I can

1112
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: really give some insight to why he's perceived one way,

1113
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: but in reality is something very different. Trent. Is funny

1114
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: that you bring that up about Elade eleven, because as

1115
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: hard as you were on him as the overall coach

1116
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: of the Elite eleven, he was my quarterback on my team,

1117
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: and I came away with the same thing I thought

1118
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: at the time at seventeen, he was uncoachable, he wasn't

1119
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: willing to listen. He was the most talented guy there,

1120
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: but he did the least with the talent because he

1121
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: just wouldn't humble himself enough to learn everything. But like

1122
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: last summer, I had an opportunity to be around him

1123
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: at that elite eleven and he was different. He was humble,

1124
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: he was outgoing. He did things that he didn't show

1125
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: at seventeen, and it really changed the narrative that I

1126
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: had on him because I wasn't a big fan. I

1127
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: wasn't a big fan of his mentality and how he

1128
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: went about it. But after that had a better understanding.

1129
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: So now spending that forward, how does that play? How

1130
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: does that personality, how does that thirst for knowledge that

1131
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: he has? How does that play at the next level? Well,

1132
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really important for josh Um.

1133
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to have an offensive staff

1134
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: that understands him as a person uh and be willing

1135
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: to give him a lot of responsibility, give him a

1136
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: lot of um stuff to learn, but yet behind the

1137
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: scenes control how much is actually used. And I know

1138
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: that sounded vague, but here's what here's what I learned

1139
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: about jobs. You can't bring any weak sauce any day.

1140
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: You've got to bring your a game. He expects you

1141
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: to bring your a game every single day when you're

1142
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: coaching him. Um, and he's gonna push back if he

1143
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: feels like you got lazy. So every day and those often,

1144
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: and you guys can do, you know, educate the listeners

1145
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: more on what that looks like. But every Tuesday, every Monday,

1146
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: post game, you gotta give him reasons why things happen

1147
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: on Sunday and then Tuesdays you're introducing the game plan

1148
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: to him. You gotta give him a hy behind everything.

1149
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: You gotta systematically break down where why you got to

1150
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: this point and why this is the plan you're using

1151
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: to face the next opponent. And then Wednesday morning the

1152
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: installed meeting, there better be real reasons why versus single

1153
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: high man we're working on one sign in single high

1154
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: zone will work on another side, and why we're changing

1155
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: the protection versus this front and why we're you know,

1156
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: I DM this guy as the mike and these fronts

1157
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: with the safety profiles, and he needs to know everything

1158
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: because that's the way his mind works. Um. That's a

1159
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: good thing. By the way. I think Aaron Rodgers is

1160
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: very similar to that. I think Tom Brady is very

1161
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: similar to that. That you have to give them everything

1162
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: that you have because they're giving everything that they have

1163
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: every single day also, So I think that's how it

1164
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: plays off. Now if he goes somewhere where these coaches

1165
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: are bringing the week sauce and they're just saying, hey,

1166
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: do it because I told you to watch out, because

1167
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: you might have seventeen year old Josh resurface. Hey trying.

1168
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: We know you're busy, man. Thank you so much for

1169
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: taking some time. We could do this for another hour

1170
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: and a half. Easy. Always fun to be with the guys.

1171
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: Thanks dude, appreciate it. All right. That's just a snippet

1172
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: of our Converse station with Trent Dill for if you

1173
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: want to hear more on Trent's thoughts in regards to

1174
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen. The three sixty episode featuring Josh Rosen will

1175
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: be out on Tuesday, buck Oh, you need to check

1176
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: it out because he goes even deeper gives you everything

1177
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: that you want to know about Josh Rosen. It's a

1178
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: fantastic interview. And also be sure to check out next

1179
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: week because we're gonna have great insight from Trent on

1180
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: our Sam Donald three sixty, our final three sixty podcast

1181
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: to drop, and Trent had some really interesting things to

1182
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: say about Sam as well. That will be the final

1183
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: episode seven in total. Buck, it's our most complete three

1184
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: sixty series we've ever done. It's been fantastic. You wanted

1185
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: to make sure you check out all about three sixties,

1186
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: but the Josh Rosen and the Sam Donald are too

1187
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: fascinating discussions, so be on the lookout for those podcasts.

1188
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: This is gonna do it for us today though. Thank

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00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,560
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