WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 2/22: NFL Scouting Combine Preview, Takeaways from Coaching Staff Media 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.800 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.880 Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:18.959 joined us always our bar Here is Evan Lazar and 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:23.440 Alex bars Its a really good chiefs team. More point 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.600 is Kyle Shanahan. You're not even blaming at the argument correctly? 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.880 I am no, you're not. I am up you're talking 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:37.879 about it doesn't matter? Uh? Do we get fine for that? 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.239 Morrel Harry in trouble, I didn't make anything, you know, 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:43.600 when I get fired up. 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.720 When I started swearing on the era, I think I 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.120 swear the most out of anybody. I think I have 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.960 the biggest potty mouth on Patriots dot Com radio. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.480 But it's it's always just s h I T. Morrell. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.240 It's not I it never it never. No, you've dropped 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.120 you dropped the F a couple of time. No, yeah 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.560 you have. I remember you did? I remember? No. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.040 No, it never escalates beyond beyond that, and that in 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.399 my vocabulary, that's that's like not a swear, you know, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.400 it's in that like middle ground of swear not swear. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.240 All right, Anyways, Evan was our Alex Bartha The Patriots 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:21.360 Catch twenty two. Busy, busy week, busy couple weeks for 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.920 the off season coming up. Yesterday, we got a chance 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.679 to speak with the Patriots new coordinators. We also got 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:29.959 a chance to speak with the entire coaching staff in 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:34.080 a off the record'll lit'll get together what do you 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.800 call it, a little gathering after meet and greet. That's 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.600 what I'm looking for, meet and greet afterwards. So we 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.800 can't really get into too many details about what we 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.399 talked about with the coaches, but it was great to 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.240 get some FaceTime with them and obviously hear from the 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.560 coordinators in a more formal setting as well. And on 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.600 the one hand, Alex I, I I have to be fair. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.080 Last week I came in here hot about how I 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.920 felt like there was really no direction from a full 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.480 ball perspective, not not from a culture building, a you know, 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.160 CEO perspective, but a football perspective. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.200 So I have to be fair. Yesterday I got it. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.079 I got a little bit more of what what we're 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.920 going for here in terms of building the team. But 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.800 with that said, I I also, you can't win me 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.920 over just because you you you know, gave me some 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.960 appetizers and got let me talk to this alex fan 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.280 falta against about uh, you know past protection, right like 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.080 that doesn't you got to win football games and you 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.880 got to put together a football team. I'm not that easy. Okay, 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.160 I'm not that easy. Don't be don't just be, don't 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.040 just be nice to the media. I'm not that easy. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.520 With that being said, uh, I do want to discuss 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.760 what was said yesterday and talk about some of the 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.600 things that I thought stood out to me about what 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.280 was said at the at the press conferences with the coaches, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.000 and we are starting to talk about football, thank god, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.400 thank god, we're starting to actually talk about some real 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.840 football here. But just in general, what were your impressions 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.120 of the day yesterday? And it certainly feels different. I 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.880 know nobody really cares about them being nicer to the media, 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.840 Like I know that a lot that you shouldn't care, frankly, right, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.959 But at the end of the day, it was, honestly, 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.760 it was a lot of fun to get to pick 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.040 those guys' brains and to talk football with the coaching staff. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.880 And we saw Dante high Tower, which was really cool 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.799 to see him back in the building. So what were 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.399 your general impressions yesterday? 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.040 Yeah, I think just in terms of the press conferences, 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.480 and again they didn't get into a ton of football 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.920 stuff there, but it's something we talked about last week. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.360 I think flexibility is going to be a big part 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.320 of what they do and not being you know, they'll 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:46.320 have their core concepts, but they emphasized not necessarily being 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.960 married to doing things a certain direct, concrete way if 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.240 they can't do them. And you know, again from Alex 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.080 van Pelt yesterday, it's not so much about scheme. It's 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.120 about the players and putting those people in positions to succeed. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.520 There's a lot of different schemes out there. The best 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.760 ones put the best players in positions to be successfully. Again, 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.560 that's what I think, and it's something the Patriots were 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.040 so good at for so long. But something I feel 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.200 they got away from the last few years was I'm 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.080 not breaking news here when I say the Patriots won't 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.280 have the most talented roster in the league next year, right, 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.440 probably not even if they get there. You know, you're 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.200 talking about three four years. So what you have to 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.839 do to punch above your weight is figure out ways 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:31.320 to maximize the talent you have and figure out ways 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:35.520 to incorporate players where where they're hitting their absolute ceiling, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.280 and you're maybe able to hide some of those deficiencies 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.960 that is going to have to be and there's numerous 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:46.680 ways to do that. That's a very umbrella answer. It's 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.040 a very big ten answer. But yeah, I think that, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.760 I I know, I hear it by that. I'm not 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.159 annoyed by it. I just I'll believe it when I 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:55.560 see it. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.400 So okay, And and this end to the point, I 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.200 think a lot of these guys, and not to cut 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.479 you off, but I think a lot of the offensive guys, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.680 especially like an Alex van Pelt at Ben McAdoo, like 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:10.799 these guys have been married to their scheme for decades, 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.160 like this is not It's like kind of telling Bill 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.560 O'Brien to like start over, Like I just don't see 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:16.039 that happen. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.320 You're not picking up where he left off last week. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.000 You're not starting over. There's a core concept there. You're 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:22.640 not gonna tell Alex van Pelt to go run the 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:28.040 air raid, right. He's run offenses out of shotgun, He's 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.680 run offense out of under center. He's run offenses with 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.600 mobile quarterbacks, He's run offenses with statues he's run tight 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:38.040 end heavy, like, there's different ways to execute that scheme. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.120 Not He was asked about if he's going to run 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:41.919 the same offense he did in Cleveland. Yeah, and he 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.919 said similar, not the same, And then he said, because 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.520 the personnel will be different. That's the point. And like 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:51.120 you said, it's all well and good to say that 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.960 does it translate to wins? It's really the only thing 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.479 that matters. And my big big takeaway was I think 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.680 these guys get it from a this is where the 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.240 team is at, this is what they have to do 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.760 sort of thing. Whether or not that translates is another question, 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.480 and we won't know. I mean, we don't even get 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.760 to start talking about that until we get in the 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.560 spring practices and then obviously the games that actually matter. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.719 But I do think that understanding of hey, we're probably 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.560 gonna have to be creative. It's not gonna be the 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.640 exact setup we want. How can we maximize what we 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.240 have getting started here? That I think that's a lot 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.440 better than bringing in a coach who says, all right, well, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.200 you know, I came from San Francisco, so I'm gonna 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.479 run just exactly what I ran in San Francisco. Even 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.919 though you don't have McCaffrey, you don't have Debo, you 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.080 don't have Kittle, that would be banging your head against 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.680 to all that would work. I think there's this recognition 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.839 of we're gonna need to find ways to maximize the 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.200 talent we have while this roster gets rounded out. And 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:51.240 that is again something that I think maybe fell off 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:52.960 here the last couple of years, and that we've always 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.479 done it this way. We're gonna do it this way 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.839 even though you didn't have Tom Brady, you didn't have 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.679 Devin mccordy, you didn't have Danta Hitier, didn't have Julian Edelman, 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:01.960 and they were still sort of operating like they had 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.800 those players. Yeah, No, I agree. Feel like now the 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.840 agree coaches, all right, if we have to, you know, 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.000 skew it more towards tight ends, We're gonna scuw it 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.880 more towards tight ends. We're gonna skew it more towards receivers. 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.160 We're gonna skew more towards receivers if we need to do. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:14.640 If we need to run it more out of shotgun, 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.000 We're gonna run it more out of shotgun. If we 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.760 need to run it more under center. We're gonna run 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.800 it more under center. And that, to me is one 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.240 of the most interesting parts about Van Pelt as a candidate, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.200 is that, well, his offense isn't maybe this heralded Shanahan whatever. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:28.840 He's been a lot of places, He's done a lot 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.520 of things. He hasn't always run the exact same offense. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.280 There's the core concept still, and he's not gonna go out. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.120 They're gonna but they're gonna be a wide zone team. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:38.680 They're gonna be a wide zone team. Yeah, I'm not 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:39.800 saying they're not, but there's. 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:44.240 So they can't be drafting, you know. Frankly, Dwan Jones 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.040 is as we've had a little bit yesterday, like if 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.480 you have to build this team, yeah, in the vision 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.240 of the coordinator. And I think that the fear that 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.960 I have is that I'm not as Actually I shouldn't 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.520 even say fear. I just I guess it's just more 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.840 I would rather them get with Elliott Wolf, who I 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.480 want to talk about in a second, as well, and 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.440 say we need these types of tight ends, we need 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.200 these types of receivers, we need these types of tackles, 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.320 and get those types of players versus Elliott Wolf just 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:22.440 handing them whatever he hands them and saying make it work. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:27.200 Well, yeah, no, obviously obviously, and he I would think 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.240 he does. He is kind of communicating with them and 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:30.760 saying like, yeah, all right this, you know, these are 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.440 the guys that kind of fit in this basket. These 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.920 guys are kind of fit in this basket. But they're 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.920 not gonna go out and get I mean they might, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.240 it would be nice, but are they gonna let's say 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.880 they draft Marvin Harrison, right yeah, or let's say they 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.839 draft Joalt the with the ultimate offensive scheme for twenty 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.960 twenty four is gonna be is gonna look slightly different 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.400 if you draft Jolt and you have, you know, a 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.440 little bit lesser a wide day or draft market. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.320 But they want to run the ball. Yeah, that's I 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.760 think gonna be a major emphasis for them. I think 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.360 that they want to run mostly wide zone like they 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.080 can do other things. And Cleveland certainly had a wide 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.800 variety of runs that they went to, but it sounded 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.880 like they went to some of the more gap stuff 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.080 that they did recently more out of necessity than out 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:20.640 of desire. But that's my point it and it worked 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.800 to an extent. I mean, like, let's not act like 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.960 Cleveland was the two thousand and seven Patriots. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.520 No, but that's exactly my point. Instead of just hey, this, 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.600 we can't do this thing, but we're just gonna keep 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.840 banging our heads against the wall and failing with it 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.080 because it's what we do. We are going to adjust 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.559 and actually try to you know, fair enough. And that's 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.040 that that just I would just rather be really good 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.199 at what they were really good at. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.880 I think the worst, the worst thing to do is 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.240 to say to Alex van Pelt. And I'm just using 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.240 this as an example because it's the guys that are 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.400 prevalent right now, Like here's Jaden Daniels, figure it out, 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.640 like your scheme like running under center, like bootleg gun 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.480 action things like that. All right, excuse me, bootleg action, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:05.200 no gun right right? That that that's not gonna work 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.360 with with Jaden Daniels. But asking him to all of 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.280 a sudden be Greg Roman is a mistake, Like that's 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:14.400 that's not gonna work. 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.200 I guess here's here's my point. What if Alex van 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:18.960 Pelt goes to them and says, I can make my 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.120 offense work with Jane Daniels I'm gonna adjust these things, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:21.439 and this. 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.280 Is that's different than me and him see it differently, 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.560 which is like he's definitely right, way more experienced than 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.760 I am. So maybe that's the case, right, Like maybe 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.880 we see the players differently. But I want to get 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.040 into the quarterbacks too. I don't want to get bogged 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:34.880 down on this. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.600 I just think I just think being flexible at this 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:43.400 stage is good because there are so many that can 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.320 go and and look, maybe in an ideal world it 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.920 works out and ultimately he gets the exact personnel he 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.240 wants and he can run the exact offense he wants, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.840 and awesome, we're off and running that. That would be great. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.120 I would love that. That's not happening this year. Even 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.240 if they have a perfect offseason, they're more than one 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.360 off season away from getting to that point. So how 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.400 are you gonna compensate for you know, maybe you don't 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.120 have maybe get Marvin Harrison, but you don't have like 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.200 the secondary receivers you want. Maybe they don't plan the 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.720 tight end they want that David and Joku role, something 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.240 like that. How are you going to Are you just 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.679 gonna keep throwing the ball to bad tight ends? Because 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:20.600 well in the offense we run, we throw the ball 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:21.800 to the tight end eighty five times. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.839 Now I would just say prioritize the tight end. Okay, well, 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.840 I mean now there's there's options. Maybe a tight end 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.240 gets hurt. Maybe you have a big game and the 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:29.559 tight end gets hurt. Are you just gonna throw the 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.360 ball to a bad tight end because that's what we do. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.840 Are you gonna get creative, get in the lab and 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:35.720 be like, all right, well this week, this is gonna 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.600 be a bigger part of our game plan. That's what 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.680 I'm saying that I felt like did not exist here 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.360 the last few years at Macro and Micro. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.079 I just now I want the vision. I want. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.679 This is what our scheme is. This is what we're 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.239 good at coaching, this is what we're good at designing 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.000 play wise. So this is we need these players for it, 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.040 and I want you know, unison like in vision of 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.280 like personnel is lined up with coaching and that they understand, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.440 you know, this is we're gonna do X, Y and 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:05.360 Z on offense. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.440 So we need you know, ABC player right and looking 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:09.679 at it. 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.800 If he wants to emphasize still a David and Joku 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.560 type of tight end that's an explosive guy, make big 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.719 plays happen. There is Jatavian Sanders, there is no fan 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.160 in free agency. I Gerald Everett isn't necessarily the downfield 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.480 player and Njoku is, but he's the scheme touch kind 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:29.000 of guy that in Djoku is Like those players exist, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:29.760 So that's get it. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:31.800 But so that's exactly my point. We just said with 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.760 Jerald Everett, because it's your whole plant's not gonna go perfect, right, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.120 You're gonna have to and and having contingency plans as 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.959 part of this. But Jerald Everett good player, fits the system, 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.640 but is not a one for one for David Joku. No, 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.280 he's not the downfield player then, but maybe maybe they 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.840 look at that and say, all right, we can bring 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.400 him in and we can alter the tight end role 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.679 a little bit in the bigger picture of what we do, 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.920 and we're gonna make it work with Jerald Everett. Like 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.880 that sort of flexibility to me is a good thing 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.120 as opposed to all right, we wanted Jatavian Sanders, we 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.200 didn't get them. Shoot, I guess we'll kick the can 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.240 for tight end down to next year because we didn't 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:08.480 get the exact player we wanted. 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.640 That to me is what they've done the last few 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.800 years under Bill, and how they got into trouble was 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.880 like they just they didn't aggressively pursue. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.800 Those But they didn't because they did the first part 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.320 of it. They would say, all right, we didn't get 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.040 player A, we got player B. But then they would 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:27.920 try to they would just use player B like he 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.079 was player A exactly, even if he was a different player. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.920 I just want this regime to say we need player 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.560 A and we're gonna do what it takes to get 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.920 players right, and I want them to do that too. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.880 You're not gonna go one hundred percent doing that in 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.080 the NFL. You're just not even if they spend, and 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.240 that's not a the team's not gonna spend thing. That's 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.719 just how many teams get every player they want in 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.000 an offseason. Not every player. But there should be. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.720 Using tight end because we talked, there should be like 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.440 a cluster of players that fitted so at some point 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.320 in time, whether it's in free agency or it's in 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.680 the draft, they should be able to get that type. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.240 So maybe using tight end isn't isn't a good example. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.040 It's not It's not just tight end. But like again, 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.440 we're going to argue about this for the next like 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.479 six months, so let's let's move on for now and 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.840 and not filibuster too much. But I want to I 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.559 want to talk about we're talking about it already, personnel 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.640 because right now, at this point, my big picture takeaway 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:26.440 from yesterday was the Patriots are not going to fail 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.800 because of their coaching staff. I really feel that way. 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.560 I think a v P and what they're building on 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.960 defense with Mayo and Covington is gonna be good enough 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.920 from a schematic strategy type of state, like a special 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:39.560 team staff too. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.360 I'm just gonna say that, Yeah, yeah, sure you were 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.560 gonna say it, no, because I fell asleep during that. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:50.000 So all, come on, allow you to talk about football guy. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.000 He is a football football oh yeah, talking about Adam 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.440 vin Terry and like that. He's special team. He played, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.040 he played the hits. I don't I don't hold that again. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.600 He's a fireball, he's a ball of energy, which I know, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.040 like Cam McCord is not the most popular person around 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.920 here right now, but Accord was the same way. A 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.800 lot of energy, a lot of intensity, competitiveness, and that's 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.240 a special teams coach, and that's. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.480 What no one else is about Springer. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.560 And I know it's it's not a glorified position, right, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.720 Like it's not like the sexiest of roles, so you 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.040 have to have or you know. And when I say roles, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.000 I mean like for players to play in the kicking 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:29.160 game is not the sexiest. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.040 No, But I think for him too. He played it 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.640 at UTEP, which you know, no disrespect to UTEP, but 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.720 it's not a premier program. And he said, yes, he 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.040 was like I knew I wanted to be in the NFL, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.360 not playing coaching. He's a guy that seems like loves football, 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.480 wanted to be around football however he could get there. 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.800 And the other thing I'll say, he is a big 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:50.320 time college coach vibe Yeah, like he is a college coach, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.320 which on special teams the way most teams build it, 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.040 and I woul think they're gonna build it now. You 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.960 generally have younger guys, yeah, and you have guys that 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.800 maybe are going through that adjustment period. So I think 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.720 a guy with a more college type of approach to 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.800 it makes a lot of sense in that role. And 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.200 he he reminds me, He reminds me a lot more 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.200 if I were to say, like personality and just talking 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.360 to him about his coaching philosophy. If I was and 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.400 he spent a lot of time coaching college like this 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.560 isn't a surprise. But if I were to go through 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.360 like coaches he reminds me of, I'd probably list like 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.000 four or five college guys before i'd get to an 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.000 NFL coach. Yeah, and he's got Tom Quinn on the 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.720 staff too, which is great. Ben a defensive special teams 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.320 coordinator for like a decade with the Giants. Yeah, and 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.000 so he's got a ton of extent. He was with 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.360 the Titans last year where I think it was I 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.000 don't know why I have fifth and eighth in my brain. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:39.600 I don't know which one it is, but top ten 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:40.840 special teams unit last year. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.480 Yeah, So I want to At the end of the day, 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:45.960 the coaching staff I don't think is going to be 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.440 a detriment to this team. We'll see about Girod in 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.920 terms of the CEO type of stuff, but in terms 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.520 of x's and o's schematically, I don't think the coaching 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.440 staff is going to be the reason why they're not good. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.720 I have one question about it. I'm just curious what 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.440 you think. Yeah, so it's the only two we didn't 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.200 have last time we talked, and it's tight end and 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:05.560 wide receivers, coach talent us. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.359 But let's let's let's we'll get to that in a second. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.399 I want to stay, you know, kind of big picture 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.080 for a sec. The biggest thing now is personnel. It's been, 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.359 it's been the biggest thing I think this whole time. 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.240 But now is when we start to really turn to personnel. 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.080 The combines next week, free agencies a couple of weeks away. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.239 The draft is obviously at the end of April. So 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.440 I think what we need to come away from this 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.200 is is that now can Elliott Wolf pick the players? Well, 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.080 it goes back it's Elliot Wolf's show, Like we need 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.960 to not that we don't already on this show, but 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.439 Patriots fans need to realize that even though he doesn't 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.040 have the title, the general manager of the Patriots right 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:44.119 now is Elliott's. 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:45.240 What I said the other week, right, Call him whatever 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.320 you want, Call him the GM, call him the president 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.080 of Football Ops, call him the King of New England. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.800 Call him for breakfast like he's he's my guess? 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.800 Is his like a total guess, but president of Football 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:55.960 Ops has a nice rank. 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.880 To as long as it's not chief football officer because 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.199 I don't think it will Yeah, okay, no, because they 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.920 don't really use like the general manager title around here. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.919 They haven't used it since Sullivan like this, it's not 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:08.840 even a Robert Crafting orth Line never employed it. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.760 Right, So director of player personnel right now is what 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.480 macro is. So to create a role above macro that's 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:20.240 not general manager, president of football operation seems like that would. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:21.520 Be so in the past, I just pulled it up here. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.800 In the past, they've used VP of Player Operations. I 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.520 could see that. Yeah, director of player personnel, director of 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.359 pro personnel, de facto general manager, director of player personnel 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:36.520 and uh VP, So they've used craft uh Peoly was 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.240 VP of player personnel. Yea, So maybe that's what that's. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.560 I mean, it's this is just academic at this point. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.560 But it goes back to your point, can you pick 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:48.040 the players? Remember all during the season when we would 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.880 kind of do the offseason look aheads and people say, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:50.800 what do you think of this player? What do you 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.119 think of this player? Should they do this? Should they 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.280 do that? And we always kind of came back to 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.920 who's coaching the team, who's picking the players. We finally, finally, 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.040 finally have the answer to those questions, and now we 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.160 lock in on this and and those guys set it up. 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.399 Those guys set it up yesterday. Covington didn't talk so 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.840 much about it. But there wasn't a ton of scheme 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:11.520 talk to get into with Covington because he kind of 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:12.760 set off the top. Yeah, we're gonna do what we 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.960 did right, which you'd expect. There's nothing wrong with that. 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.800 But Van Pelt was very He didn't use the exact phrase, 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.680 which I love, but he danced around at a bunch. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.360 It's Jimmy's and Joe's, not X's and O's. And Springer 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.679 talked about that. But that's what it is you can have. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.840 That's what it makes us a good combo. You you 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:32.960 you come at it from that angle. I look at 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.840 it and say, inside, I want my coordinator to be like, 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.399 I'm gonna be the best schemer. No scheme. You can 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.840 have a good scheme. But Kyle Shanahan could go out 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.520 there with his best game plan and he could put 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:47.760 I'm using him again, you know, I'm using him as 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.360 the best play designer in the league. I'm actually complimenting 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.960 him because I do think he is that who would 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.720 you rather me? Andy Reid could design the best offense 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.960 he's ever designed for a game, but he could put 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.360 me you I I'm just being it would look tight. 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.399 I obviously agree that at the end of the day, 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.200 it's about the players, which is my whole point here 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:09.879 is that I think that if you give Alex van 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.199 Pell good enough players that they're going to be a 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.080 decent offense. And I don't think it's going to be 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.040 him that's going to be holding them back it now 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.760 it comes down to their setup right now is going 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.560 to be Elliott Wolf and Girod Mayo are going to 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.600 be picking the players when they go to turn in 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.880 the card at three overall on April twenty eighth, it's 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.000 probably going to be one of those two guys that 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.400 has final say in the pick. I would lean probably 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.600 towards Elliott, but I don't know that for a fact. 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.280 And that look, all the heavy is the heads reported right, 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.840 I think Rapport reported that he has like he has 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.240 a final say, yeah, and heavy is the head that 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.560 wears the crown. Like that's great. I'm happy for Elliott 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:49.600 he's a good guy. I think he's got the experience. 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.200 I think it's it's a long time coming for him 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.520 to be in this role for a team, but now 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.680 do it. But right now now you're the guy, right 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.960 so whatever if success or fail, it's all gonna be 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.879 on you. I just I think it's that's, at the 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:06.840 end of the day, the biggest thing. And I thought 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.040 one of the better quotes I just was pulling up 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.960 quotes here from Gerard Mayo is it seems to me, 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.480 based off of his remarks yesterday that this has been 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.879 brewing behind the scenes that him and Elliott Wolf have 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:23.080 kind of mustered up a connection with one another, you know, 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.119 talking about he hit it off with Elliott Wolf the 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.120 first time that they met, when Elliot Wolf got here 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.240 a couple of years ago. And then this was I 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.240 think really a very good quote of you're a Patriots fan. 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.639 Because it's important again for the coaching staff and the 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.720 personnel department to be in unison and to have a 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.600 shared vision from a team wide perspective all the way 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:46.360 down to the individual players. Our philosophy's match. We want 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.960 to put good football players out there that are fast, 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.320 smart and really play for one another. He really sees 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.560 it the same way. So I think that those two guys, 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.560 at least currently, Let's see what happens if one of 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.800 them likes j Daniels and one of them likes Drake, 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.560 But at least currently those two guys have a shared vision. 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.360 And I think my bigger takeaway too was just that, 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.680 not to take anything away from Gerrod, but it really 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.000 feels like Elliot Wolf is the one that's pulling the 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.280 strings right now in terms even in terms of the 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.040 coaching staff. Like Alex Van Pepe got up there and said, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.320 Elliott called me and I came in for the interview, right, 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:23.560 Like he just came. 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.240 Right out and said that, well that makes sense. Elliott 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.920 Wolf's had more experience in this than Trop Mayo has, 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.240 and and Drod even said like he leaned on people 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.520 through certain steps being new. So yeah, no, it's it's 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.000 very clearly Elliott Wolf's show. He's the GM. 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:39.040 Yeah, getting to some of the schematic stuff, And this 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:40.960 is what I was really looking for, right, I mean, 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:42.560 this is what I was blew in the face last 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.320 week about, is that can we stop talking about you know, 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.920 bridges and silos and start talking about X's and No's 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.080 and Jimmy's and Joe's right. You know, that's right. That's 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.120 the big thing for me. And I thought that one 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.400 of the couple of things that Mayo said about Alex 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.600 van pel were really intriguing. He mentioned, you know, he 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.560 was asked what coaching against Alex van Pelt, which he 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:04.800 did twice over the last couple of years when the 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.440 Patriots have played the Browns. They killed the Browns both times, 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.479 so not exactly a great showing for the Browns offense, 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:12.600 but there were reasons behind that. One of those games, 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.760 Baker was hurt. They they had a bunch of guys 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:18.359 out to injury. I don't think Nick Chubb played in 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.679 that game the mac Jones' rookie year, and then the 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.400 next year was Jacobe Brissett, like it was that Rundown 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.040 Brown's offense. Anyways, the one thing I'd say about Van 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.680 Pelt is that he can make the same concept look 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:33.159 a bunch of different ways. That's always hard for us 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.679 on the defensive side of the ball. So when he 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:39.800 said that, I immediately thought to myself, Okay, this is Mayo 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:42.840 telling us that that's the type of offense that he 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:47.480 wanted them to install. He didn't want to have an 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:51.679 offense that had a million different plays and was like 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.560 more like EP System style where it's just like a 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.200 million different things going on. He wanted to have an 0:23:57.200 --> 0:24:02.520 offense that had, you know, a lot of the Shanahan McDaniel, 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.320 Sean McVay type of roots of this is all the 0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.360 same thing until it's not. And the Patriots had elements 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:11.600 of that in their old offense, there's no doubt about that. 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.080 But the Patriots in their old offense really tried to 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:19.600 overwhelm you with information like we're gonna show different personnel groupings, 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.159 we're going to show different formations, we're gonna do a 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.240 bunch of different things, and you're just not going to 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.000 be able to get a beat on what we're doing. 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:29.040 This offense is going to be more married together in 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.760 the in the run game play action pass and that 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.320 sort of thing where it is wide zone, wide zone, bootleg, 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.600 where it is you know, they're they're gonna run a 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:39.600 lot of inside zone I think as well, you know, 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.720 and then half boots like those types of things. So 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.680 it was pretty clear even though you know, we knew 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:48.760 this already based off of the guys that they interviewed 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.840 that this was an offense that was intriguing to Girod. 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.600 Mayo was something's a little bit more simple, a little 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.359 bit more streamlined in terms of what they did in 0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.800 terms of the birth of the playbook. And I do 0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:02.959 think I think that, you know, just to gut, I 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.760 think what's optimistic about this too is I do think 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.040 that there's gonna be a lot more shared responsibility and 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:10.919 it's not gonna all be on the quarterback at the 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.200 line of scrimmage. Now, we talked a lot of yet 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.440 last week about the Super Bowl and how it has 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:17.000 to be a little bit of bolt and I think 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.400 it will be. But in terms of the run game 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.000 and in terms of most of the protection stuff, I 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.359 think that the center, and you have a really good 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.240 one and experienced one in David Andrews, is going to 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:28.760 start to take on a whole lot more of the 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.080 responsibility and that sort of respect as well. So in 0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.240 a lot of ways, I think that this was the 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.919 way that they wanted to go offensively. Now, again, it 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.159 just comes back to getting the players to run it. 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.040 But I think that it's a good sign that Mayo 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.080 was like, yeah, this was a this was a difficult 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.120 offense to defend. Even though they didn't put up fifty 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.639 points against us, you know, we saw that this was 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:50.080 a difficult offense to defend. 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:53.800 Yeah, I mean, I just I'd agree with all that. 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.840 I think the big thing is how they're going to 0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.280 handle the quarterback position in the transition. Again, it goes 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:04.800 back to it's a different challenge, but it's similar. Yeah, 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:09.360 I think rolling through five starting quarterbacks compared to having 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:13.440 a rookie, there's unique challenges with both. Like Joe Flacco, 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.280 although he's coming off the couch late in the season 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:18.160 as your fifth starting quarterback, there are things you don't 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:19.399 have to worry about with him, you are gonna have 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:23.080 to worry about it with rookie. But overall, Van pel 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.640 was in a situation last year where it moved him 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.720 to make things easier on the quarterback. And that's again, 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.080 that's not a dirty thing. 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.720 That's not especially when the Patriots are gonna have a 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:35.960 rookie most likely right and I don't know if he's 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.560 gonna start right away, but the whole program is going 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:41.840 to be around making Jaden Daniels or Drake may or 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.720 Michael Pennix or whoever the best possible quarter right exactly. 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.199 And I mean I've done this rant before. Everbody knows 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:49.280 how I feel about this, like saying, oh, so you 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.600 have to make it easy for the quarterback because he sucks. 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.320 That's what it is. He sucks, so you have to baby, No, 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.119 that's what smart teams do. The Bills do it for 0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:00.480 Josh Allen, the Ravens do it for Lamar Jack. Well, 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:03.200 it just seems so silly Patrick Malmes for a long 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:03.760 time not. 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.520 To rag on like everything that they used to do, 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.359 because I don't want to get into that pattern, right 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:10.280 because it all, it all didn't stink, obviously, but it 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.640 just was always so weird to me that they had 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:17.520 David Andrews, who is as a veteran experienced of a 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.160 center and smart as a center as you could possibly 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:22.919 have in this league, and they gave the keys to 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:27.320 the entire alert system and protection system to two rookie quarterbacks, 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.520 essentially Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi. You know, Bailey's Appy's 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.760 making his first career start and he's out there making 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.000 checks and audibles at the line to scrimmage. When you 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.600 have a ten year veteran at center, you know that 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.439 that can handle these types of things that always interested 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:42.280 you know, was fascinating to me that they put that 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.640 much responsibility right away on the quarterbacks. I mean last 0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:47.960 year Mac Jones. I know he's not a rookie anymore, 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.080 but he talked about it during training camp about how 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:51.840 much the offense puts on the quarterback. 0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.359 And it was the third offense in three years. So 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.840 it's not that he was a rookie, but it's just again, 0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.320 he's constantly learning and it's a lot to ingest. Yeah. Yeah, 0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:04.080 And look, the quarterback position inherently has more going on 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:05.600 than any other position. I'm not going to sit here 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.240 and say take it all off the quarterbacks plate. That 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:13.080 doesn't work. The Niners tried it. What you no reaction? No, okay, 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:16.440 I'm over. We're moving on what we're We're onto the 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:18.880 comp I'm not saying take it all off the quarterbacks plate. 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.800 What I'm saying is there are inherently things the quarterback 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:26.600 is going to have to do that are our challenges 0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:30.240 that are just unique to that position. Why put more 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.360 you have a young guy, right, why continue to pay 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.640 And it's it's one thing when you have Tom Brady 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:36.920 and he's been in the League for time. I feel 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:38.960 like that's what they got stuck on. It is like 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.800 they had Brady to do it, so they went that 0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.760 direction because Brady probably wanted to go, But also Brady 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:47.400 wasn't doing that for twenty five years. Probably not. It 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:49.680 built to that. And if you want to tell me, like, 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.560 if they draft Drake May in ten years, Drake May's 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:54.720 making all the check like hopefully still here in ten years, 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.000 he's playing well, and he's making all the checks and 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.800 calls and audibles in ten years, Well, that makes a 0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.360 lot more sense because that was probably a progression and 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:05.600 he built up to it year one. Not so much. 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:07.440 You want to ease these guys in. It's not a 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.160 bad thing to say, Yeah, we want to ease our 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:13.320 rookie quarterback in. And it goes back to the flexibility 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.840 point two and all of that. But I do they're 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:17.160 gonna have. They're gonna have. 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.320 The quarterback's going to have some sort of power to 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.040 be able to get to the line of scrimmage and 0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.240 once the center sets the protection and sets the call, 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.840 and if the quarterback sees you know, this is what 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.120 we're talking about with the Super Bowl that I felt 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:34.360 like perty didn't do. If the quarterback sees a blitz 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.640 tel on one side of the formation and he says 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.000 to the center, hey, where are we going on this play? 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.360 And the center says, the mic is over here, right, 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.320 and he's saying, well, wait a second, where we need 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:48.000 to be blocked up on backside here, then I think 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.000 the quarterback is going to be able to have the 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.760 control at the line of scrimmage to flip it right, 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.000 to say, let's remike, let's flipper this, let's go over 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.680 here now instead. I think that that's going to have 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.280 that ability. But it's more gonna be Q seeing it 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:03.640 before the ball is snapped. 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:03.960 Right. 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.880 It's not gonna be the initial sort of stages of 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.840 the setup of the play. It's gonna be the last second, Oh, 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.080 you know, we have something funny going on over here. 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.440 Let's make sure we alert that, or let's make sure 0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.400 we slide this way, or whatever the case may be, 0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:19.280 and he's gonna be able to do that. Whereas in 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.520 the Patriots system, the quarterback got to the line of scrimmage, 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.440 or I should say the Patriots old system got to 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.280 the line of scrimmage and it was all on him 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.880 to do the setup and then to do the final 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.200 stages of it as well, So I like that they're 0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.760 gonna move on from that. The other thing that I 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:37.200 like from what Mayo said about Van Pelton just about 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.000 their vision. You know, he was asked kind of more 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:43.400 about what how do you guys envision playing offense? What's 0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:45.920 important to you on offense? He said, I'm expecting for 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:47.920 us and foremost a tough team, which you know every 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.640 coach says. After that, it really gets into smart players, 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:52.720 which I think is interesting because Van Pelt talked a 0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.960 lot about smart, you know, intelligent football players as well, 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.280 not just at the quarterback position. He also mentioned it 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.840 at the offensive line too, that they they are gonna 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.680 have to have guys and con see things and are smart, 0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:05.920 intelligent players. You don't have to be a genius, but 0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.440 you have to be smart enough and really explosive players 0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.600 and guys that play for one another. It was that simple. 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:15.560 It was that simple. Just that was so cookie cutter, 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.240 surface level. I know people are gonna think I'm crazy 0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:20.040 for being like that checks the box that I was 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:21.440 arguing about last week. 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:23.440 But that's all I needed. That's all I needed. 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:27.640 Just tell me how you're your thirty thousand foot fit 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.360 feet view and vision of how you want to start 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:32.360 to build this offense. 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:33.880 That's all I need. 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:35.400 I don't need the I don't need you to tell 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.680 me the PowerPoint presentation of the entire offseason and which 0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:40.800 players you like and which guys you're gonna target and 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:42.840 things like that would be great, but I don't need 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:44.560 you to tell me that. I just need you to say, 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:46.720 these are the types of football players that we want. 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:48.760 This is the type of mentality that we want to 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.200 have offensively. At least we got a little bit more 0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:51.440 of that. 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.000 I felt like yesterday, Yeah, no, it started and they 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:55.920 set off the top. They weren't going to talk x'es 0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:57.360 and o's, and then they did a little bit. So 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.920 surprised by that, but you got the the general basis 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:02.920 of it, I think for sure. Okay, a couple of 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.960 last things here. We obviously have to talk about Van 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.600 Pelt's answer about the quarterback right and what he looks 0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:10.720 for in the quarterback. He said it a couple of 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:14.000 different ways, but I think the bigger things that he said, 0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:16.000 you know this was well, let's use the first answer, 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:17.680 because that I think was more honest. That was the 0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:19.880 more gut reaction. The second one, the question was kind 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.400 of phrased in a different way, so I don't. 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.479 I wrote this with both answers combined. So I are 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.840 talking about the decision making accuracy that answer. 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:29.840 Hang on, I have it. No, I'm talking about the 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.160 first one. Were talked about leadership, Yeah, the one that 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:32.520 you hate. 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:36.280 That's definitely ben was a theme of all the answers 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:37.440 he gave about quarterback. 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:38.880 It was leadership. Yeah. 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:42.240 So I'll just read this one decision making, accuracy, the 0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:45.240 fundamentals and mechanics that the guy has sound, and a 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:47.520 big one again is leadership. The big piece for me 0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:51.720 is leadership, toughness, accuracy, decision making. All four are important. 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:56.840 So he went on a lot about leadership, and here's 0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.360 the other one. Smart, tough, and a leader. You put 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:05.120 him in charging those categories. Obviously, there's accuracy in the past, game, mobility, 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:05.680 decision making. 0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.280 There's a lot that goes into it. But at the 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:09.000 end of the day, that role is so important to 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:10.600 the risk, not just the rest of the offense, but 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:12.560 the rest of the team. A guy that's a true 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.760 leader that can come in and really understand his teammates 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.640 and get the best out of those guys. And then 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.040 he said something a little later on. I'm trying to 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:22.240 find it. He said something about, like, the physical traits 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:27.640 are the physical attributes are obviously important, but if a 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:29.440 guy's a leader can come in and make good decisions 0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.280 and throw the ball accurately, those are all pluses. So 0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.560 we refers to like actioning decision making. His plus has 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:36.840 been on leadership. It kind of is like, well, if 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.320 you can't be a leader, I don't really care what 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:40.280 you can do elsewise. 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:44.960 Yeah, I think that leadership obviously action decision making. Exactly 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:46.880 what he said, And I think the last thing that 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:50.600 he said, and I think, you know, Ben McAdoo sort 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:53.840 of subscribes to this as well, is fundamentals. I think 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.280 fundamentals is going to be important to these coaches. I 0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:00.080 think footwork, I think mechanics, and I look at some 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.880 of these quarterbacks in the draft, and my guy, Drake 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.400 may not necessarily the most mechanically sound right certainly more 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.560 of a project right now in terms of those types 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:10.520 of things. I'm not saying that they're not gonna that 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:13.560 that eliminates Drake may from the conversation. But we have 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.600 a show today. So the point, like, look, who do 0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.400 we think it fits that mold? 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:19.840 There's no quarterback that checks every single one of those boxes. 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:21.759 So I mean, I'm writing this column later today. But 0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:23.680 we can do we can do this fun little game here. 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:25.480 Take Caleb Williams out of it, because we think he's 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:27.160 going one one right, So we're not gonna include Caleb 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.280 Williams in this. We'll go through the traits that he 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.799 he included. Smart could mean a bunch of things, but 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.120 let's just whatever you would consider smart for a quarterback 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:36.920 reading a field. Yeah, give me a top three in 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.640 the draft in terms of smart smart Yeah. 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:45.520 Oh that's tough, because I think it's it's hard. There's 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:47.520 so many different systems with these quarters. 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:49.879 However you want to qualify smart, I. 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.239 Would say in terms of the guy that I feel 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:58.279 like has the most thoughtfulness in terms of manipulation processing 0:34:58.320 --> 0:34:59.160 that type of stuff. 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.520 This is what intrigues me about Drake May. 0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:06.000 I think he's the best passer out of this group, honestly, Like, 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:10.040 not the best thrower necessarily, but the best passer where 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:14.360 I see him using I'm using pump fakes, Like he 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.320 knows that if he looks over there, it's going to 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.360 open the passing window you know over there, you know, 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:21.360 like those types of things. So I would say, in 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:26.760 terms of decision making, processing and sort of the quarterbacky. 0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:29.320 Type of decision making, who's the best? All right? So smart? 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.960 You're going Drake May? Yeah, best decision maker, best decision maker? 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.560 I would probably have to give it to Jaden Daniels. 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.200 I mean the guy through like seven turnover worthy plays 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:41.840 the entire year. I thought, you know, he he showed 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.680 a good ability to take care of the football. Wait, 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:45.960 wait back to we were gonna do top three to 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.080 put together? Who else is smart? You go? Drake May, 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:52.840 I go Drake May. I would say that Caleb is 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.239 probably a little bit take care of about it. They're 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.960 not kidding it, okay, Pennix Penex Okay, yeah, in that 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.120 Washington sis him Like, I don't know what it would 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.560 look like in a different event. You only can work 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.279 with what you you have to have. So I would say, 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:10.360 Drake May, Pennix, and then you can go outside the 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:11.239 top six too if you want. 0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.400 Yeah, I know, I would say Drake May, Penix, and 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.520 maybe bo Nicks, but not because I want bo Nicks, 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:18.000 just because I. 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.480 Well, no, no, no, I mean, I think people see him 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:20.880 going with this. 0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:23.680 Yeah, he's been here for seventeen years in college. I mean, 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:24.800 so like he's got. 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.759 Experience decision making, said Daniels. 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:34.360 Daniels, One, I would think, I mean, I think in 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.520 terms of pure decision making, like I do think Pennox 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:40.800 is pretty strong in that category. Two and uh, the 0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.480 last one I would probably go, I said Jaden. 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:47.360 One, right, I would not put Drake. I will I 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:48.799 was going to jump over his table if you try 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:52.160 to put Drake is that is his biggest knock? Yeah, 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:56.439 like he is. He's He's the Carnival Red. Uh. Can 0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:00.800 I pay I mean death guy. Can I pitch Michael Pratt? Yeah? Like, yeah, 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.080 I mean I'm not drafting Michael Pratt. But but I mean, 0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.839 just for the sake of this pure Yeah, okay, so 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:11.800 we have we have smarts, we have decision making. Toughness, Well, 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.360 Jayden's certainly tough, but maybe too tough, right, Like a 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.399 guy plays like Wiley. Kaya, I think there's a clear 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.400 cut number one here. Who's that? It's Michael Pannis. 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:24.560 Oh yeah, yeah, I guess that's fair just because of 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:26.879 it bounce backs from the injuries and stuff like that. 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.600 Yeah, certainly also the NASH Championship game with like a 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:30.399 broken rip. Yeah. 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.080 I think Drake may is up there too in terms 0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:34.279 of just staring down the barrel and willingness to take 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:37.080 hits and things like that in the pocket poise, you 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.839 know that stuff. And I would put Jayden up there 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.719 just because he does take risks with his body like 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.960 he's not afraid, Like he doesn't play afraid. He plays 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.320 maybe a little bit too confident, but he doesn't play afraid, 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:50.400 which I think is important. 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:53.200 Okay, so now we're not gonna do leadership because we're 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:54.440 not in the room with these guys, and that's the 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.720 biggest But I think that, you know, just like hearing 0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:58.080 some of the things that I was, you know, thinking 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.000 about this, right, hang on, we'll save that for last year. 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:06.000 Let's do accuracy. Most accurate, Yeah, I mean, I mean 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.000 Nick's completed like seventy something percent. 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:12.600 Yeah, Nicks's Nix was accurate. I think, you know, these 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.080 guys all are accurate in different areas of the field, 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.920 and some guys have issues for weather, area for. 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:20.480 What they want to do. So put them in the 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:22.480 kind of throws they'll be making with Patriots. 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:27.160 Okay, most I think Daniels would probably be up there. 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:28.040 Daniel's number one. 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.680 Uh, He's his short accuracy is not very good, that's 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.200 the problem. But like his deep acker, he's probably the 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:36.240 best deep ball thrower. 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:38.440 In the class, him or Penix. 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:42.680 But in terms of timing accuracy, ball placement, I mean, look, 0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.600 I the one thing I'll say in Penis applies to 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.200 the same thing as well. But when you're throwing the 0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:51.280 Molik Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior, like those guys, everything's 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.279 going to be on there. They're gonna they're open all 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.360 the time. So it's kind of tough to say, but 0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:59.040 I think Daniel's really accurate with it. I think Pennix 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:02.040 is obviously really accurate with especially the big time throws 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:06.480 down the field. Is that point accuracy? And then probably. 0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:08.560 Bonnix Yeah, okay, so and then leadership. 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.560 So I've heard some really good things about Drake May's leadership. Okay, 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:14.680 I like guys, you know one of those guys he 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:17.759 walks into the room, gravitate towards him and like you know, 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.080 like Bill Partslls I think used to call him planet player. Yes, right, 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:23.920 does guys that have that gravitational poll that can get 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.719 the group together. I think he's up there. I think 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:28.920 Pennix is one one though, and that k oh yeah, 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.400 so i'd say Pennix Drake May two. I've heard that 0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:36.320 Jayden Daniels has gotten better in this regard, but certainly 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.880 early on in his career like at Arizona was at 0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:40.200 Staate Arizona State. 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.839 Did you watch that that series LS you put out 0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.160 on but obviously it's from LSU. You did watch? Yeah, 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.600 so he's I think he's grown into it. I think 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.640 he has. So here's what you have and we can 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.279 kind of is this is an aggregate like I was 0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:54.680 gonna say, we're gonna kind of aggregate it. Yeah, so 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:58.840 Drake May and we'll see it was the the highest 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:03.520 score we do. So d May has three plus and 0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:07.200 now is at five. So we'll give Drake May a seven. 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:10.919 We'll give Michael Penneck unless you want to talk while 0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:11.719 I add this up. Now. 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:15.040 Yeah, I just I know where you're going with this 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:17.280 on your in your report card. 0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.719 I don't necessarily disagree with you. I honestly, like I'm 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.840 writing this later, I just that's why I head you 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:24.200 do it. 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.120 But I just think the biggest thing that I came 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.880 away with from yesterday is is It's so fascinating. I 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:31.760 think this goes back, you know, not to make everything 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.560 about the forty nine ers, but it goes back to 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:36.719 so many of these quarterback decisions that we've seen over 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.400 the last couple of years around the league, where the 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:44.160 coaches want one thing and the personnel department. I'm not 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.560 saying that they're out of Divie because I don't know that, 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.360 but I'm just this happens all the time. The personnel 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:53.440 department looks at traits right like they look at arm strength, mobility, 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:57.040 accuracy down the field, toughness in the pocket, poise, and 0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.680 then the coaching staff comes in and says, this guy's 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.080 foot is a mess, this guy's release is a mess, 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:03.239 Like I have to fix all of this. 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.040 Okay, so you know we'll we're gonna have one more 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:06.560 because you talked about it. Mechanics. 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:11.320 Mechanics, Yeah, I think the cleaning. I think Jaden Daniels 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.719 is the cleanest thrower and this class. He's got some 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.080 footwork things that he's got to work out, but in 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:19.080 just in terms of delivery and upper body, he's got 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:21.840 a really nice compact release. I know you're gonna hate that. 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.440 I'm gonna say this, but JJ McCarthy is probably number 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:25.120 two on the list. 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.640 Well, they're not always consistent, but yeah, I. 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.640 Mean he has a really good ability to uh snap 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.920 the ball out of his hand and you know, really 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.880 connect his body together to generate velocity. Uh JJ McCarthy 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:41.000 number two. I can't put Pennis in there because he's 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:43.439 just he's lefty and it just I have you seen 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.239 have you watched it flip Okay, but it's like it's real, 0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:49.759 so right, and like I just I wouldn't put him there, 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.480 And I can't put Drake may there either because he's 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:53.160 all over the place. 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:59.800 Sometimes put Joe Milton there. Definitely Rattler Nicks, I would say, uh, Pratt, 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.640 it's probably Rattler. Michael Hartman, Rattler might. 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:05.960 Be up there, honestly, like just because you know, he 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.480 does a really good job of generating velocity from his 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:10.080 lower half. 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.520 So I would say rattler. Okay. So here's Evan Lazar's 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:17.319 aggregate scores for the best fits for what Alex Van 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.680 Pelt said he's looking for at quarterback. Yep, I'm gonna 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:25.360 go bottom to the top. So Michael Pratt Spencer Ratler 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.000 both scored a one. Good. You want a high higher 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.960 number better? Yeah. JJ McCarthy scored a two. Yeah, Bo 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:36.759 Nick scored a four. Okay, Drake May scored a seven. Yep, 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:41.040 jayde and Daniels scored a ten, and Michael Pennock scored 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:42.800 an eleven. Yeah. 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:44.839 I hear what you're saying. I mean when you start 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:46.759 to really boil it down. But again, I think what 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:49.040 I was talking about when you were computing your your 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.560 report card over there is this, I think often is 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.320 the divide between the coaching staff and the front office. 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.200 The coaching staff wants a leader. They want a tough guy. 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.000 They want a fundamentally sound guy. They want to pro 0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:03.680 ready quarterback. Frankly like, that's what they want. They want 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:06.000 an adult. They don't want to take a kid and 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.879 have to develop him because, let's face it, you don't 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.000 often get a lot of time in this league. So 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.359 if you have to take a guy and develop him 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.040 for two or three years, you might get fired by 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:16.920 the time the. 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:18.960 Guy is ready to really so if you take leadership 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:23.120 out of it, yeah, then Jaydan Daniels actually has the 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:25.800 best score with a nine, then it's Michael Pennix with 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.879 an eight, then it's Drake May with a five. Yeah. 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:31.719 Look, Jayden Daniels is a really good prospect. I have 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:33.439 him in the same tier as Drake May. I don't 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.040 hate Jayden Daniels by any means. I think the only 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.080 difference is is that I think one is fit to 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:41.120 play under center and one isn't. And is that going 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:45.399 to be a deal breaker for AVP? Is that we 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.680 have to be able to play from under center. You're 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:49.239 not putting Jayden Daniels under center. 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:49.440 Now. 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:52.200 We talked about it in the past, and we'll get 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:53.920 into it a little bit more, and certainly if they 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.120 draft and we'll get into it a ton. But the 0:43:56.160 --> 0:44:00.160 one thing that teams like Baltimore, teams like Miami I've 0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.120 done with quarterbacks that aren't comfortable under center is they 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.200 run a lot more pistol because in the pistol they 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.239 can still have that action with the bootleg and turn 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.279 your back to the defense and fake a handoff, and 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:14.400 then the running back still has the option to go 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:17.279 either direction because he's not offset. So you have that 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.080 freedom to be able to do some of the same 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.879 mechanics of being under center, but you're doing it from 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:27.720 a more of a gun type of alignment. So maybe 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.720 that's the answer. Like if they draft Jaden Daniels, maybe 0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:34.040 they run wide zone like Miami runs wide Zone, which 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.960 is from the gun in the pistol. Maybe they run, 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.520 you know, more of stuff that is a little bit 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:42.799 more like Baltimore from the pistol. But again that's the 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:46.000 fasibility that would be fun. Like, I'm all for that. 0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.600 I think that the one thing about Jade and Daniels 0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:50.359 that you have to ask on that list that Van 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.920 Pelt said is that he made such an emphasis on leadership. 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:57.120 And I don't know Jayden Daniels, so I don't want 0:44:57.120 --> 0:45:01.200 to like. But based off the speculation, especially in Arizona. 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:08.359 State, and look, I wasn't there, but most people who 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:14.120 knock Daniel's leadership ability cite the Arizona State the locker 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.719 video where he announced he was transferring out of a 0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:19.719 program that a lot of players transferred out of because 0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.040 it was a mess. He announced he was transferring and 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:26.040 guys trashed his locker. Yeah, would you really do that 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:28.239 if you were happy somebody left. No, they were mad 0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.759 he left because they knew he was good. They knew 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:32.840 they were going to win games with him. That is 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:34.719 not a knock on leadership. That is just being a 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:37.279 victim of a transfer portal and Herm Edwards running a 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.200 toxic program. There are some other things people will cite, 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.040 but I'm not saying that he's I'm not saying he's 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:44.800 gonna go out there and be like the ultimate leader 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:47.000 of men. I'm not saying he's gonna go out there 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:48.759 and be somebody who is like, Oh, as soon as 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:50.440 he's done football, he is going to campaign for president. 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:55.120 But I I do think that that was five years ago, 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:59.279 much older now. He's been through a lot. Everybody at 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.799 LSU who seems to rave about him, So I don't 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.319 think it was as bad as people painted at Arizona State. 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:07.520 I'm not saying it was perfect, But I also think 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.600 he used his time at Arizona State as a learning 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.320 experience and change. If you can get guys to gravitate 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.680 towards even a Brian Kelly program, you're doing something right. 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.160 He's he's a quiet leader, though, he's like a lead 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.240 by example type of guy from what I understand. 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.760 When you know who was like that by all accounts, mail. 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:27.279 Yeah, No, it's not a bad thing necessarily it's just 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:31.040 that that's he's not going to be you know, you're 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:34.279 not gonna necessarily see Jayden Daniels walking up, down and 0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:36.719 down the sideline yelling at everybody like Tom Brady used 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:36.880 to do. 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:41.359 But he kind of start doing that later and later 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:43.680 in you know, last Leadership I think is such a 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:48.319 silly thing because like there's no way to quantify leadership, 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.480 and I think ultimately what it means to me is 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:54.480 just do guys play for you, like when we look 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:57.239 when you know the we're not going to necessarily talk 0:46:57.280 --> 0:46:59.279 a ton about the Dynasty because we have plenty of 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:02.680 you know, p and the Dynasty podcast covers that. But 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.320 like the in the Dynasty, Danny A. 0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:08.400 Mondola had that like famous quote that that's getting or 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:10.799 making the rounds of you know, we work for Bill, 0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:13.759 but we played for Tom. And you want a quarterback 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.439 that we play for this everything that's what you want. 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.080 Everything that we've heard out of LSU's guys played for 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.080 jam Day. I agree. So I agree. 0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:22.440 I mean, you don't put up the season that he 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:24.560 just put up with and guy with guys not wrecking 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:25.440 you very often. 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:28.440 And look, there's leadership like when I do mine and 0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:29.960 I'm gonna do a version of the exercise we just 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:31.440 did and that I'll be up tomorrow ninety eight five 0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:33.520 the sports sub dot Com. Nice plug. Thank you. I'm 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:35.879 actually not going to include leadership because it is so 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:38.520 like you're in the locker room. You don't Yeah, so 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.440 you want to include it ended up skewing it. It 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:44.160 put Pennix over Daniels when you include leadership when you don't, 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:47.440 Daniels is the guy I will say to your results, 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.640 and I texted you this last night. So this is 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:53.360 something I believe before we ran through that Michael Pennix 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:55.360 is more in play than we maybe thought he was. 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.880 I think based on what they say, not necessarily at three. 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:00.840 I'm not saying they're gonna go take them at three, 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:07.480 but the way Van Pelt talked about quarterbacks, in my mind, 0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:11.560 I kept going back to Michael Penix. There's no guy, 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:14.800 there's no better leader in this draft than Michael Pennix. 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:17.759 There's no better leader, to no guy who's tougher. Yeah 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.640 he has. I mean, we've we talked about this last 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:24.480 week in terms of scheme fit. There's you're a scheme fit. 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:27.560 He might be the best and are his mechanics perfect. No, 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:29.840 I don't think they're as bad as a lot of 0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:31.480 people think they are. I think they're just thrown off 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.120 by the lefty thing. I've compared him to Philip Rivers, 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.279 whose mechanics obviously weren't perfect. But here's my thing with me. 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:40.480 As long as you're throwing motion is consistent, exactly, it 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:42.560 doesn't if you throw the ball the same. It's like 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:45.920 a shooter in basketball, like you might everybody shoots a 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.480 little bit differently. But as long as it's a consistent 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:50.560 launch point, it's not gonna necessarily. 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:52.440 So I look at it, and I'm not saying Penis 0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:54.359 is Aaron Rodgers. But the point is, you would never 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:58.080 teach a quarterback you're starting with like a kid. Yeah, 0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:01.000 you would never teach. You would never on Aaron Rodgers 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:02.879 and say throw the football like this. No, you'd put 0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:05.719 on Brady and say through the football. Aaron Rodgers one 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:07.399 of the greatest quarterbacks of all time because it worked 0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.520 for him, because it was consistent. Yeah, I worked with 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:14.080 somebody ones who in scouting kickers, and it's it's similar. 0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:15.840 You can roll your eyes, it's similar to the mechanics. 0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:18.040 What he would do is he would take ten kicks 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.839 and he'd overlay them on a video on transparency, and 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:24.160 it would look like if the kicker was good, it 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:26.759 would look like one kick. You wouldn't see deviation. Now, 0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:29.080 quarterbacks a little different because there are times where you're 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:30.759 gonna change your arm angle or you're gonna try to 0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:34.879 throw off platform. But they're not the prettiest mechanics. But 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:38.319 it's the same thing every time. It's the same He's 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:40.640 throwing the ball the same way. And if your motions 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:43.920 repeatable and you're having success with it. If it's not 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:47.000 the prettiest thing, if you're making it work, you're making 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:48.719 it work. And that is what i'd say for people. 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.600 Again, like some of it's because they're both lefties, but like, 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.120 like Tua doesn't have the prettiest throwing mind. 0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:56.399 Well, remember when they flipped the video for Tua and 0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:58.759 everybody was like, what the hell's going on? Why does 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:01.680 this guy look like a real quarterback? Again? Watch Michael 0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:02.760 Pennock's flip. 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.320 In general, though I do agree with you that Penix 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:09.280 checks a lot of the boxes that the coaching staff 0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:13.560 yesterday was talking about. Is that gonna align with the 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:17.520 personnel department, is Elliot Wolf can override everybody because of talent, 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:22.600 Like that's a different conversation, but certainly experience I think 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:28.120 goes hand in hand with leadership as well toughness, accuracy, 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:32.200 decision making. Penix checks a lot of those boxes. But 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:36.000 we all know that the biggest week of Mike Michael 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:40.239 Pennox's life is next week in Indianapolis, when they he. 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:43.000 Doesn't really have to do anything except sable. Yeah. 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:46.960 I that is literally a difference for Michael Penix and 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:50.520 millions of dollars of what those doctors tell teams about 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:53.239 his shoulders and about his knee. So it's gonna be 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:56.120 fascinating to see the reporting that comes out of the combine. 0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:58.720 So on that note, I just retweeted the Michael Pennock's 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:01.759 right handed video, so please watch that. Is an Is 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:04.000 there anything else? I mean, Troy Brown being back on 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.840 the staff, I guess is notable. We don't necessarily know 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:09.080 his role. Yeah, it's hard to talk about, so it's 0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:11.600 hard to talk about, but those were the main. 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:15.360 Head I had one other question about the stat Yeah, 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:17.560 so they bring Bob Bicknell and Tyler Hughes to tight 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:22.239 ends and wide receivers coaches, respectively. Hugh's been here, Bicknall's 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:25.200 been coaching football so long. He coached it PU and 0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.400 he coached in NFL Europe. So you know, I'm not 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:30.520 saying those are great things, but that's how long BU 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:32.439 hasn't had a football program and how long an NFL 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.719 Europe point away. How long ago? So Bignell played tight 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:37.640 end college. He started off as a tight ends coach. 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:39.560 He coached titands a little bit, but he's spent the 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.640 better part of the last decade and a half coaching 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.759 wide receivers, and he's coached receivers on teams that had 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:47.279 good receivers, the Eagles in the mid twenty tens. He's 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:50.880 with the Niners for a year. Hughes was a general 0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:53.600 assistant here, and he was a general assistant in Washington. 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.480 And I mean, obviously, I Washington had good receivers, and 0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:58.760 I think he worked with receivers here his first time around. 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.400 But Bicknell, to me, is what I wanted them to 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.880 hire in a wide receivers coach. Yeah, and he's coaching 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:05.799 tight end. And it's something against Tyler Hughes. It's just 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.839 I look at Bicknell's resume, he hasn't coached tight ends 0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:10.840 in thirteen years. 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.920 Well, so I think that the tight end position coach 0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:17.680 is a really important one on your staff because they 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:21.120 have their hands in so many different things. So I 0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:25.279 think that experience at that spot with multiple positions can 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:28.879 actually be really helpful because you are in the run 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.600 in the past game meetings, like you have to coach 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:35.080 your guys up on the run elements and the pass 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:38.359 elements equally at the tight end position, where as like 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:41.360 receivers for example, Yeah, I like blocking with receivers is 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:43.680 a thing, but it's not the most important thing. So 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.040 I think in that element, it's good that bick Nell's 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.520 had experience with various positions. I think it's important because 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:52.360 he's going to have a hand in both things. In 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:54.640 terms of the receivers coaches. The way that I see 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:58.360 Tyler Hughes and Taekwan Underwood, I think Tyler Hughes is 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.320 going to be more of game plan x's and o's 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:07.239 opponent studying this is what we're gonna do right in 0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:09.880 this week, and this is how we're gonna go forward. 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:13.960 Taekwon Underwood, I think what they're hoping is gonna you know, 0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:16.480 you know, my guy. The footworking is like he's gonna 0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:17.720 be their own footwork. 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:20.680 I like the Taekwon Underwood high I really do. 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.239 I think it's you know, there's a lot of really 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:26.400 good UH receiver coaches around the league, and I know 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:29.160 it hasn't necessarily worked out with Troy Brown, but in 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:32.040 general that obviously played, you know, like a Keenan McCardell, 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.879 Shan Jefferson, like those types of guys, and you don't 0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:37.080 necessarily I know, Taekwon Underwood wasn't Randy Moss, Like, you 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.440 don't necessarily need to be a great player to be 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.880 a great coach. I just look at him, and you know, 0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:43.640 I think he's gonna be the guy that's out there 0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:46.600 early drilling releases and drilling top of the route stuff 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.279 and things that are gonna be more technique based with 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.680 these guys, I think when they if they draft the guy, 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:54.960 which they should, but whenever they draft the guy, you know, 0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:57.840 let's say the first day that that Roman Wilson's on 0:53:57.840 --> 0:53:59.680 on the property, I think the guy that he's gonna 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.560 be working with a lot is Taekwon Underwood. In terms 0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:06.399 of doing the actual movement skill type stuff of playing 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:08.920 the receiver position, and Tyler Hughes is going to be 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.120 more of a guy that's going to be handling, you know, 0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:14.680 helping Van Pelton mcado with those guys with game plan 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:18.000 and x's and o's. That's just my hunch, just based 0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:21.760 off of their backgrounds and expertise. But I think Bicknell, 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:25.279 I think a lot of these guys, you know, Bicknell mcado, 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:28.080 I think a lot of these guys responsibilities is going 0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:33.479 to be helping to run the offense from a more 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:37.520 big picture standpoint and a more a game plan oriented standpoint, 0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:40.759 because I don't think Gerard Mayo is gonna is going 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:44.000 to take on a ton of responsibility in that regard. Offensively, 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.600 I think this is going to be completely Van Pelton 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:48.920 mcadow's show on the offensive side of the mall. I 0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:51.120 I don't think Mayo is going to have a ton 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.520 of hand in it, which I think is good. Yeah, 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:55.719 I think what's you know. The other thing before we 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:58.000 started to open the phone lines and talk a little 0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.800 bit about the combine as well, the other thing I 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:04.160 thought was good is that he's it sounds like DeMarcus 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:06.920 Covington's going to call the defense, so you have a 0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:09.080 first time head coach who's one of the youngest head 0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:12.520 coaches in the NFL, and they are trying to manage 0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:15.680 his responsibilities and manage what's on his plate right out 0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:17.120 of the gate, which I think is a good thing. 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:20.319 If he had been it had been more than fair 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.840 for him to say, I'm a defensive guy. This is 0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:27.160 my I'm calling the defense, right Demiko ryantce in Houston 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:31.040 calling the defense. But I think he wants to take 0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.919 more of that CEO approach, probably something he learned from Bill, 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:37.040 and try to be a little bit more of an overseer. 0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:39.920 And I think that's good for a first time head coach. 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.480 I think it's hard to be in your play sheet 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:44.759 and then also deal with all the other things that 0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.920 the defensive coordinator or that the head coach, excuse me, 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:49.879 he needs to deal with. So I like the fact 0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:52.160 that he's handing off some of those responsibilities. You know, 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:53.960 obviously Van Pelt was going to call the offense and 0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:57.200 nobody else would, But that DeMarcus Covington's going to call 0:55:57.200 --> 0:55:59.200 the defense, I thought is a good thing as well. Yeah, 0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:01.160 all right, take some of these phone calls. You know, 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:03.600 some people have been waiting on for a while we 0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:06.000 appreciated Kendall is in North Carolina. 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:09.960 What's up, Kendall? How you doing. 0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:15.920 I heard y'all talking the first opening segment about this 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:19.719 game about Van Pelt, what receivers in this draft fit 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.319 his scheme? And my second question is I had a 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:25.719 chance to look at the Arizona wide receiver Jacob cow 0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:29.200 I believe, and how would he fit with the Patriots? 0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:30.719 Thank you, thanks for the call, Kendall. 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:32.960 Yeah, Jacob Caron is at the Senior Bowl, right, I 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:37.480 remember seeing him again every week now. I think the 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:39.160 first question what receivers fit? 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:39.880 Uh. 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:43.360 I don't think that it's necessarily such a receiver heavy 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:48.880 scheme that one receiver wouldn't fit versus another receiver. I 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:52.160 do think that the one thing that I'm hoping and 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:54.719 that they're going to get to is, you know, I 0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:57.680 think separation is a little bit of a buzzword around here. 0:56:58.160 --> 0:57:00.440 I don't necessarily think that they love that. They were 0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:03.400 filled with Devonte Parkers and Juju Smith Schusters and guys 0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:06.239 that graded out really poorly in terms of top of 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:09.200 the route separation. So I'm hoping that they're going to 0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:11.360 be a little bit more like that, you know, guys 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:13.960 like in Cleveland, Amari Cooper, one of the best route 0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.880 runners and separators in the NFL. Guy like Elijah Moore, 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:19.240 who's a speedster, you know, speed slot, kind of like 0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:21.360 a Pop Douglas. I think that those are the types 0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:23.680 of guys that they're gonna look at in this draft. 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:26.000 But I would I would say that we have to 0:57:26.040 --> 0:57:28.120 talk about it, like blocking is going to be somewhat 0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:30.440 important in this scheme. They're going to run the ball 0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:32.280 a lot, and they're gonna have to be able to 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:35.000 have guys that block. You know, teams like the Rams 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:38.520 San Francisco, those teams have great blockers. Now Miami is 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:41.080 built with speed demons. They don't have great blockers and 0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:43.000 they can still run the ball. So it doesn't have 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:45.480 to be that way. But that's how I see the 0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:48.360 receiver position. I'm not necessarily thinking that they are going 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:51.000 to have a certain type of receiver that they say like, 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:53.480 we need receivers that play this way, because I think 0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:56.520 the scheme is a little bit less dependent on guys 0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:58.880 on the outside and a little bit more dependent on 0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.640 obviously the marriage or the run game in the past game, 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.240 but also you know, tight end running back things like that. 0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:09.560 Yeah, they it's more about overlapped than scheme. And that 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:11.840 goes to a guy like Jacob Cowing. You're not gonna 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:13.720 have Jacob Cowing and Pop Douglas on the field at 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:15.520 the same time. Yeah, it's a good point. And so 0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:20.040 drafting a guy like like getting X get a true Z. Yeah, 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:22.919 and there there are multiple ways you can go about that. Yeah, 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:26.440 calling for me, he's really small. Yeah, I think he 0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:29.439 checked in at like one sixty something at the Senior Bowl. 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:34.320 So a guy that's small, who And I I mean, 0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:36.000 I like Colling. I don't want to like say he's 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:37.640 he's an undrafted player, but. 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.240 He's an interesting you know, same Pop Douglas got drafted 0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:43.320 in the sixth round. But I thought Pop Douglas. 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:46.200 Well, I think just coming from Arizona. Yeah, I think 0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:48.760 probably helps Cawen, like he played in better commense. Yeah, 0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:50.840 five eight, one sixty five. I just think a guy 0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:53.200 that's that's like two two at well size, a guy 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:57.360 that's that small in a role they already have filled, Yeah, 0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:00.560 doesn't make a lot of sense for them. Yeah. Where 0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:02.160 you're gonna have to take him, which is probably early 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:03.520 on day three a Senior Bowl. 0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:05.800 I don't think it was great for him, and Pop 0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.320 Douglas had a great Shrine Bowl. Yeah, and so I 0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:11.000 think that those are two things that are working against 0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:13.919 Cowen is his size and his performance at the Senior 0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:16.800 Bowl where his size showed up. It was he was 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:20.240 having issues, you know, getting off physical coverage and stuff 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:20.440 like that. 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:23.520 I mean, a guy at that size the draw with 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:25.520 him as Wes, he catches everything, and he had some 0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:28.880 issues with drops. Yeah, yeah, all right. Devon is in Florida. 0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:29.520 What's up, Devin? 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:31.919 Hey, how you guys doing today? 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:33.360 Good? Thanks? 0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:39.160 All right? So I had two questions. My first question was, Von, sorry, 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:44.360 it's all good if you guys, if the Patriots end 0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:46.640 up missing out on Drake Man they end up drafting 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:52.600 Jaden Daniels, do you feel like, uh, his ability to 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:55.720 throw into the intermediate middle part of the field will 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:59.960 be a problem developing. And my second question was, how 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:01.920 would you feel if the Patriots found a way to 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:03.240 pry Brandon? 1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:04.320 I you Gotto's difference? 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:07.840 Yeah, good, two good questions. I think the biggest thing 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:11.320 with Jayden Daniels that I see on film with him 1:00:11.920 --> 1:00:14.520 is he passes up some things in the middle of 1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:16.600 the field that are maybe like the second and third 1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:19.200 read in the progression to run. And he's such a 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:23.360 dynamic runner that I've put up plays before on Twitter 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:25.760 where he might pass up a dig route and then 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:28.360 he runs for forty five yards and nobody cares right like, 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:31.000 you're just like all right whatever. But the problem is 1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:33.360 is that you know, twofold one in the NFL, those 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:35.600 scramble yards are gonna be less like You're gonna get 1:00:35.600 --> 1:00:38.480 caught faster in the NFL than you are in college. 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:41.040 So the forty five yard run in the NFL might 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.560 only be a fifteen yard run, right, you know, follow me. 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:46.520 And then the second thing is is when you run 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:49.080 that much, the body blows start to add up. 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:49.720 You take a beat it. 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:53.640 And I my biggest concern with Jaden Daniels as a 1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:57.240 prospect is that is he going to be able to 1:00:57.280 --> 1:00:59.960 get there as a passer where he can beat you 1:01:00.680 --> 1:01:04.160 simply from the pocket with his arm. And this was 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:06.919 the issue with Justin Fields, like he hasn't gotten there yet. 1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:11.200 Justin Fields is uber talented, good runner, strong arm probably 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:13.200 has a better arm and more arm talent than Jaden 1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:16.000 Daniels does, but he has not been able to take 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:20.040 that next step as a pocket passer where his running 1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:23.439 ability is like an extra, It's like a sprinkle on top. 1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:28.400 Lamar Jackson got there. Lamar Jackson's running ability is his superpower, 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:30.520 but he can also beat you from the pocket. That's 1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:33.640 why is the MVP of the league. Those are the 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:36.640 two comparisons I have for Jaden Daniels. That's his floor 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:39.439 and his ceiling. So are they going to be able 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:42.360 to develop a guy like Jaden Daniels into that next 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:46.200 phase of his passing ability is going to determine whether 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:49.960 or not he can be a consistently good thrower, and 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:52.680 that will determine everything with his career, because I don't 1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:56.000 think he's going to make it in a ten year 1:01:56.480 --> 1:01:59.840 fifteen year career playing the way he does now because 1:01:59.840 --> 1:02:02.480 it not not just because he runs so much, but 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:04.720 also how he runs like he cannot like he I 1:02:04.760 --> 1:02:08.160 mentioned Wiley Coyote earlier, like he he runs like like 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:10.400 a crazy person, Like he runs like he's Josh Allen, 1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:12.920 but he's not Josh Allen's size, right, So those body 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:15.800 blows are going to catch up to him, and that's 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:18.720 where the passing comes from. I think the other thing 1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:21.680 that that gives me pause about Jayden Daniels too. I'm 1:02:21.680 --> 1:02:24.760 interested to hear your your thoughts on this. So many 1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:28.320 much of his production came from throwing fade routes to 1:02:28.480 --> 1:02:31.920 Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas, and those two guys are 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:34.200 going to get drafted in the probably top twenty, top 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:36.560 twenty five picks. Milik Daghbors might be a top five 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:40.120 pick in this draft, so he's not going to be 1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:44.479 able to replicate that necessarily. Now, Joe Burrow didn't matter, 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:47.919 right like Jamar Chase justin Jefferson, he had all world 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:51.200 receivers and he got to the NFL and he got well, 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.480 well yeah, but you know what I'm saying, Like it 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:57.480 mostly didn't matter, but some guys that does matter for 1:02:58.040 --> 1:03:01.000 I think, you know, there's so many triggering qualities from 1:03:01.160 --> 1:03:03.240 f Jaden Daniels, but it's our job to tell you 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:05.600 both sides at the coin with every single player, right, 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:07.240 and I think that those are the two things that 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:08.600 hold me back the most with him. 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:13.360 I think I've said this before. If you're gonna knock 1:03:15.400 --> 1:03:19.880 quarterbacks for having an outstanding surrounding cast, then you're taking 1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:21.960 Drake may or you're not taking a quarterback that's just 1:03:22.200 --> 1:03:24.400 that's in the nil are And I even think I've 1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:26.919 kind of come around on this take, and this will 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:30.080 become for the people who don't really follow college football, 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:35.560 this will become a lot clearer next year. Yeah, Drake 1:03:35.640 --> 1:03:38.240 May's supporting cast was not nearly as bad as we've 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:40.720 made it out to be. They're just all underclassmens, so 1:03:40.720 --> 1:03:43.480 they're not in the draft this year, guys like Omar 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:45.080 and Hampton. The running back Bryson. 1:03:46.120 --> 1:03:48.000 To be fair to him, though it's nowhere near what 1:03:48.160 --> 1:03:50.520 it's nowhere Well Daniels and Pennex were playing. 1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:53.240 Wait till you watch Bryson nesbit next year. He's not 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:55.960 Aroma Dune, a league name. But here's my point, Like, 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:58.600 if you're gonna fault the quarterback for the surrounding cast, 1:03:58.600 --> 1:04:00.560 you're not gonna find it's not so much faulting him 1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:03.480 for the supporting cast. It's just the type of throws 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:05.840 that he was, you know, like making well. But that's 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:07.560 what I would say is a deep ball works when 1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:10.040 Milk Neighbors is five yards behind him, So then go 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:12.520 out and get a deep ball receiver. Like that's what 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:15.480 you do for your young quarterback. You build around him. Again, 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:17.680 that's not a dirty thing. You don't go out and 1:04:17.720 --> 1:04:20.200 surround Jane Daniels to slot receivers. Yeah, and that's not 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:22.439 saying you can't have a slot receiver, but you don't 1:04:22.480 --> 1:04:24.520 go out and surround with guys. You don't run routes 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:27.000 past fifteen yards. You don't run anything past a five route. 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:29.920 I agree with you. So it's I mean, it's a 1:04:29.920 --> 1:04:32.920 fair question. Yeah, like all right, but but I think 1:04:32.960 --> 1:04:35.280 you're phrasing it wrong. It's not what's gonna happen when 1:04:35.320 --> 1:04:37.800 he doesn't have Milik Neighbors to throw fade balls to. 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:40.400 It's who do we get Jaydan Daniels to throw the 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:42.480 fade ball to? Because that's one of his best throws. Yeah, 1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:44.919 that's how and that could be that is his best throw. 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:48.320 Right the heath drops more dimes on So I would 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:51.160 say back to you, dis are his bread and butter. 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:52.960 So I would say back to you, I mean, we'll 1:04:52.960 --> 1:04:56.120 take Harrison out because you're in in Neighbors and Odoonsay 1:04:56.240 --> 1:04:58.960 and Thomas obviously, but right free agency in the draft, 1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:01.440 who are the best fade receivers? I know? Was it 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:04.480 aighty Mitchell we were talking about last week Adie Mitchell's 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:06.200 are really good. I think Adie Mitchell is going to 1:05:06.240 --> 1:05:08.160 be more like a possession receiver. And who was it 1:05:08.160 --> 1:05:09.840 you were talking? You said about somebody who were like, 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:14.000 he sells every route as a fade route. Oh, probably 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:16.240 a dude's say he's really okay, So maybe it wasn't 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:19.400 like and Ady Mitchell I think is good at that too. 1:05:19.400 --> 1:05:21.400 Who's the best fade receiver in the draft or give 1:05:21.400 --> 1:05:22.760 me the best fade receiver in the draft, Give me 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:25.920 the best fade receiver in free agency, best fade receiver 1:05:26.000 --> 1:05:28.320 in the draft outside outside of like the guys they 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:31.120 could get if they get Jane Daniels Xavier Worthy. Okay, 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:33.800 I would say, but he. 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:38.400 There's a lot of overlap there with Pop Douglas certainly, 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:42.400 but in terms of what about like Jam Polk, Yeah, 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:45.720 but Jalen Polk does it with more like skill at 1:05:45.760 --> 1:05:48.920 the catch point. You know, he's not like necessarily fast 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:51.520 enough to create a ton of vertical separation, but he's 1:05:51.880 --> 1:05:54.479 he's got the strongest hands, some of the strongest hands 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:55.960 in this class. I hate I don't want to like 1:05:56.000 --> 1:05:58.000 be hyper bowl. It can be like everybody is so great, 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:00.240 but he is really really strong hands and great at 1:06:00.240 --> 1:06:03.280 the catch point. So he wins more like that in 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:05.760 in terms. But I'm not saying it's totally contested, but 1:06:05.840 --> 1:06:07.040 it's like more through traffic. 1:06:07.040 --> 1:06:10.600 All right, how about in free agency? That's a good question. 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:13.400 Because this is not really like a it's in terms 1:06:13.400 --> 1:06:16.280 of that skill set, it's not really a fab class 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:19.440 Calvin Ridley. Calvin Ridley's definitely got the speed to be 1:06:19.520 --> 1:06:21.280 that type of guy, but he I always think of 1:06:21.360 --> 1:06:24.040 Calvin Ridley as more like an inbreaker guy like crossers, 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:28.600 dig routes, things like that. The other guy I would 1:06:28.600 --> 1:06:30.959 just mention in the draft is Troy Franklin just because 1:06:31.000 --> 1:06:33.160 of his speed. He's more of like an outside the 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:36.160 numbers fade receiver than the slot fade. But I don't 1:06:36.160 --> 1:06:38.240 see why he couldn't run a slot fade again. And 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:40.280 this is this is what we talked about earlier, having 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:42.360 a plan. If you're going to draft Jaydan Daniels, you 1:06:42.400 --> 1:06:43.280 identify it and. 1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:45.960 You see it's a vertical system. For sure, you're going 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:48.280 to push the ball down, but but you identify if 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:50.520 you're Van Pelton, I mean, I don't you're better at 1:06:50.520 --> 1:06:52.680 this than me? Like I don't were they overly vertical 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:53.880 heavy in Cleveland or. 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:58.240 Yeah, especially when they transition to Flacco obviously, but in general, 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:01.400 that is a it's a vertical passing system based off 1:07:01.440 --> 1:07:03.800 of the run game. So so they're not trying to 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:05.920 not to cut you off, but they're not trying to 1:07:06.480 --> 1:07:09.000 like pull a guard to get a linebacker to step 1:07:09.080 --> 1:07:10.800 up so that they can throw a crossing route at 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:14.280 the second level. They're trying to get like single high safety, 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:17.560 draw everybody in, and then throw a post fit high 1:07:17.600 --> 1:07:18.200 play Madden. 1:07:18.760 --> 1:07:20.840 So then yeah, so this is what we talked about 1:07:20.840 --> 1:07:22.600 the plane. If you're gonna draft Jan Daniels, this is 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:26.360 his best throw, you identify the receivers that are best 1:07:26.720 --> 1:07:28.560 on the other end of that, and you go out 1:07:28.560 --> 1:07:30.800 and get them. Yeah, that that would be my response 1:07:30.840 --> 1:07:33.200 to that. And they're not gonna be Thelik Neighbors and 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:35.600 brown House, and maybe you don't get them this year. 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:38.680 You know who's really great on the fade balls is 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:40.200 Luthor Burden. I don't know if you're sick of me 1:07:40.200 --> 1:07:42.040 talking about this guy yet or if you remember who 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:42.400 he is. 1:07:42.640 --> 1:07:45.560 I'm just trying to think of a free agency because 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:49.240 free agency is you know, I mentioned Ridley's like a 1:07:49.360 --> 1:07:51.680 pure z to me, Like he's a guy that is 1:07:51.760 --> 1:07:54.320 gonna really want me to just give you the ranking 1:07:55.600 --> 1:07:56.600 goes in the middle of the field. 1:07:56.720 --> 1:08:00.000 Yeah, hang on, I gotta find a wide receiver here 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:01.920 that tught my. Let's have Chris Jones. I don't think 1:08:01.960 --> 1:08:05.920 you want Chris Jones running fades. Probably could T Higgins 1:08:06.000 --> 1:08:07.480 more of a jump. I mean, yeah, you could make 1:08:07.520 --> 1:08:11.040 T Higgins work with jayde Daniels, but it all looks different. Yeah, 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:15.480 Michael Pittman, No, no, yeah, he's not Mike Evans. 1:08:15.840 --> 1:08:17.559 I mean in his own way, but again, more like 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:23.240 T Higgins. Hollywood Brown, Yeah, Hollywood Brown definitely could. I 1:08:23.400 --> 1:08:25.920 I like Hollywood Brown more than most people because you know, 1:08:25.960 --> 1:08:29.160 I like the speed guys. But playing through contact is 1:08:29.200 --> 1:08:32.000 obviously he's he's not tough, Like that's not enough to. 1:08:32.040 --> 1:08:34.200 Go out to get a true big X to take that. 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:36.840 I would say that, Yeah, I mean I I would. 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:40.240 Calvin Ridley talked to it drops off man. Darnell Mooney, Yeah, 1:08:40.400 --> 1:08:42.720 Darnhill Mooney is honestly pretty good at that. Like that's 1:08:42.720 --> 1:08:45.000 probably the one thing that Darnell Mooney does at like 1:08:45.280 --> 1:08:47.840 a decently high level. So like I know people want 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:50.760 more than Darnell Mooney, but I'm just saying, like, you 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:52.600 bring him up and so. But but this is what 1:08:52.640 --> 1:08:55.439 I'm talking about earlier with the with where Van Pelt's 1:08:55.439 --> 1:08:58.400 talking about with maximizing players. I'm not saying Darnell Mooney 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:02.240 is your big addition. Right. Maybe you add a Calvin Ridley, right, yeah, 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:04.000 but they don't know. Mooney is just like Pop Douglas 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:05.639 with a little bit more size. But you you add 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:08.639 Darnell Mooney maybe, and I mean PFF estimates him one year, 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:11.560 nine million dollars. Easy. Yeah, you add Darnell Mooney is 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:14.240 like your second or third wide receiver edition. And if 1:09:14.280 --> 1:09:17.280 you know you're drafting Jane Daniels and you say, all right, 1:09:17.640 --> 1:09:19.639 you know he's gonna play fifty some percent of the time, 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:21.479 but we're gonna just have him running a bunch of vades, Yeah, 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:22.280 because that's a throw. 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:26.080 I kind of like Darnell Mooney. Like Darnell Mooney reminds 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:28.000 me of like a poor man's Tyler lock it to 1:09:28.000 --> 1:09:30.679 be one guy good at you know, vertical slot. 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:32.280 I don't know if he still comments and he just 1:09:32.320 --> 1:09:33.960 comments about other stuff because I don't remember what like 1:09:34.000 --> 1:09:36.120 his username was, But do you remember that guy is 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:38.080 like around this time last year who used to comment 1:09:38.080 --> 1:09:40.160 on every one of our shows that Darnell Mooney was like, Oh, 1:09:40.240 --> 1:09:42.720 they hitting Tyreek Hill or whatever. Yeah, and was like, Oh, 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:44.800 if they get Darnell Mooney, they have a wide receiver one. 1:09:44.840 --> 1:09:47.040 So shout out to that guy if he still listens. Uh, 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:53.760 Gabe Davis no outside vertical receiver obviously, Yeah, Odell, I'm 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:56.280 just gonna for other reasons, I'm going to pass on. Yeah, 1:09:56.520 --> 1:10:01.479 Tyler Boyd, Curtis Samuel who I know you like. But actually, 1:10:01.520 --> 1:10:03.320 and then I get to Kendrick bort how about the 1:10:03.320 --> 1:10:05.280 guys here as fade receivers. 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:08.000 Yeah, uh, you know, in terms of separation, Pop is 1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:10.880 obviously the best one. Yeah, He's definitely the guy that 1:10:10.920 --> 1:10:14.679 can do that. I mean, I've I've given up on Taekwon. 1:10:14.800 --> 1:10:17.120 I've hyped Taekwon enough and gotten burned by it. So 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:19.600 I'm not gonna expect anything out of Taekwon Thorton. But 1:10:19.880 --> 1:10:25.960 obviously his body type, his speed, It's it's not in 1:10:26.479 --> 1:10:30.400 terms of like what he does well. He obviously has 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:32.360 that in his bag of getting vertical. That's the only 1:10:32.439 --> 1:10:33.600 thing he does well, so like, I. 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:37.120 Mean, there's that. Yeah, the other guys though, you know 1:10:37.200 --> 1:10:40.880 not remember he had his breakout game against the Browns, 1:10:40.880 --> 1:10:43.960 his breakout game two touchdowns. But yeah, okay, so you 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:46.519 have to go into the draft. I'm looking at an 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:48.800 exerous class. Now, so many good fade runners in here. 1:10:48.960 --> 1:10:52.040 Nobody you want to feel, you want to feel old? 1:10:52.800 --> 1:10:55.639 Who moves in Muhammed the third? Oh that's crazy, Yeah, 1:10:57.120 --> 1:10:58.040 I would say that. 1:10:58.320 --> 1:11:02.040 You know, I love Xavier I have him ranked pretty high, 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:04.840 probably higher than most people. I think he's my wide 1:11:04.880 --> 1:11:09.280 receiver six in this draft, behind you know, the first 1:11:09.400 --> 1:11:13.040 the top four, Thomas being the fourth guy in Troy Franklin, 1:11:13.040 --> 1:11:15.559 who I'm probably maybe a little bit higher on than 1:11:15.560 --> 1:11:18.439 people too. I really like Xavier Worthy. I think that, 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:21.240 you know, thirty four is a spot that you probably 1:11:21.280 --> 1:11:22.439 could get Xavier Worthy. 1:11:22.520 --> 1:11:24.599 Now is that a little high? 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:26.960 If you take the quarterback and then receiver then tackles 1:11:27.000 --> 1:11:28.719 an issue you know who knows well. 1:11:28.640 --> 1:11:30.760 Again, they're not gonna be able to have a perfect offseason, right, 1:11:30.800 --> 1:11:33.479 there's too much and maybe maybe you attack, maybe you 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:37.000 keep on when you sign Tyron Smith and then yeah, 1:11:37.320 --> 1:11:38.519 Polk is a good shout too. 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:41.040 Though, like you know, not not He's not as fast 1:11:41.040 --> 1:11:44.520 as Xavier Worthy as obviously in a straight line. Yeah, 1:11:44.560 --> 1:11:46.720 but he definitely that's how he wins, you know, is 1:11:47.000 --> 1:11:48.679 those types of what we've talked about. 1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:51.800 Who's your comment for him again? Uh, Jayden Reid right, 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:52.320 Green Bay? 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:55.479 So yeah, who's Yeah, he's not as fast as Jayden Reid, 1:11:55.520 --> 1:11:57.519 but in terms of the routes that he has, Yeah, 1:11:57.600 --> 1:11:58.599 I just. 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:02.000 Bring up him and we go back to talking about 1:12:02.000 --> 1:12:05.320 them wanting to land or us thinking that like Michael 1:12:05.320 --> 1:12:07.439 Pannix is the guy they want to land. Also know 1:12:07.479 --> 1:12:09.559 you have Tyler Hughes here. It's like people ask all 1:12:09.560 --> 1:12:11.719 the time, are you who are pairing quarterbacks and receiver? 1:12:12.400 --> 1:12:13.600 That would be an interesting. 1:12:13.439 --> 1:12:15.800 Good time to that that I gotta talk to Tyler. 1:12:15.840 --> 1:12:17.960 He was at some point about the Washington guys, like, 1:12:18.000 --> 1:12:21.679 I mean, that's that's obvious, Like that's a really good thing. 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:23.960 And you know, Taekwon Underwood was just in college too. 1:12:24.000 --> 1:12:26.720 I know it's just that pit but like he he 1:12:26.760 --> 1:12:30.519 was just in college. Yeah, Sad Jordanas's and yeah he 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:32.360 counts the pit guy because he sucked you. 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:35.559 Yeah, and I think that Taekwon Underwood was there for 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:39.960 I think they were like technically there together for because 1:12:39.960 --> 1:12:42.280 I think he hasn't Underwood been there for like three years. 1:12:42.400 --> 1:12:44.639 Hang on, I'm pulling it up. I because I said 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:46.160 this the other day on the radio and I realized 1:12:46.160 --> 1:12:48.680 I didn't have the timeline exactly right. I think they 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:51.800 were there together for like he was still working out 1:12:51.800 --> 1:12:54.479 at Pitt while he was in the transfer portal got 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:57.840 it and Underwood. Yeah, so Underwood got to Pitt. Underwood 1:12:57.880 --> 1:13:01.400 was hired by Pitt and Jim Nanuary of twenty twenty two, 1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:06.400 and Addison transferred to USC in May of twenty twenty. 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:08.880 So it's just a couple of months. But there is 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:10.799 a I'm trying to find there is a Jordan Addison 1:13:10.840 --> 1:13:13.639 quote somewhere about Taekwon Underwood. So cool thing about Taekwon 1:13:13.720 --> 1:13:15.799 Underwood real quick. So Taekwon Underwood. 1:13:16.080 --> 1:13:21.719 Rutgers, Yep, Rutgers guy was roommates at Rutgers with Devin McCarty. Yeah, 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:24.920 and so that that connection is when he was here 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:26.360 in twenty eleven for a little bit. 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:27.000 Uh. 1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:31.439 You know, Devin mccorty and Gerrod Mayer were obviously really close. 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:33.880 So that's how you get to the you know, six 1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:36.880 degrees of separation that brought Taekwon Underwood back to New England. 1:13:36.960 --> 1:13:39.479 All right, let's get back to the phones here. We 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:46.960 got a Trevor in Kansas City. What's up, Trevor, trev 1:13:47.400 --> 1:13:47.920 Are you there? 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:48.839 Yeah? Gotcha? 1:13:50.120 --> 1:13:51.479 Sorry, cut out for a second. 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:51.880 All good. 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:54.559 Hey, I've got two questions. I'll be fast and i'll 1:13:54.560 --> 1:13:56.600 take them off their The first one you're probably not 1:13:56.640 --> 1:13:58.880 gonna want to answer, Evan, but I'm curious to know 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:02.120 your guy thoughts on Cody Schrader in his fit in 1:14:02.160 --> 1:14:05.400 the Patriots offense from Kansas City. So I watched a 1:14:05.439 --> 1:14:10.040 lot of the Zoo football. And then second kind of 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:12.559 talking about Michael Pennock's fun. You just brought him up. 1:14:13.680 --> 1:14:16.679 He's my quarterback one if you take away the injuries. 1:14:16.680 --> 1:14:18.559 And honestly, I know you can't take him away, but 1:14:18.640 --> 1:14:20.360 I you know, I don't know what I don't know, 1:14:21.080 --> 1:14:23.559 and I haven't heard any other reason we shouldn't take 1:14:23.640 --> 1:14:25.040 him at three besides injuries. 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:26.800 So I'd love to hear your guys thoughts on that. 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:28.080 I'll take it off the air. 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:28.559 Thanks Gg. 1:14:28.760 --> 1:14:31.360 Thanks for the call, Trevor. So obviously, no one's taking 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:33.439 Michael Pennox in the top ten because of the injuries. 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:35.799 Even if you get to clean bill health of the combine, 1:14:35.800 --> 1:14:36.479 it's not happening. 1:14:36.600 --> 1:14:39.400 Just that that history makes it so tough. Yeah. 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:41.599 In terms of his play, I think the biggest thing 1:14:41.720 --> 1:14:45.519 is is that in hindsight of the National Championship game, 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:47.160 one thing that I did was I went back and 1:14:47.240 --> 1:14:51.040 watched some other pennis games again, because I would encourage 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:51.439 people to do. 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:52.200 I wanted to. 1:14:52.080 --> 1:14:56.040 Look and see was this just because Michigan's defense is 1:14:56.120 --> 1:14:59.160 just dominant and he was flustered by the pressure because 1:14:59.160 --> 1:15:02.400 he's playing Michigan's defense, or was this an issue that 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:06.280 was you know, under the surface because he was so 1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:08.960 good at you know, the rest of the way. I 1:15:09.000 --> 1:15:11.479 think that there are some legitimate concerns about how he 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:12.320 handles pressure. 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.719 That's his big knock. Yeah, he's not great under pressure. 1:15:15.880 --> 1:15:19.000 Yeah, and when I I don't necessarily like some people 1:15:19.360 --> 1:15:22.760 fear like his mobility. I think that he can move around, right, 1:15:22.920 --> 1:15:25.479 I don't have concerns about that. I think that decision 1:15:25.520 --> 1:15:29.280 making and especially accuracy under pressure is a concern. He 1:15:29.320 --> 1:15:32.360 threw a bad pick under pressure against Oregon too, you know, 1:15:32.680 --> 1:15:35.439 just moving off his spot, resetting and throwing down the 1:15:35.439 --> 1:15:38.639 field with the accuracy was a big knock for him, 1:15:38.680 --> 1:15:40.400 and he's only going to see more of that in 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:42.920 the NFL. We know how that goes around here. If 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:45.519 you can't if you can't handle pressure and be poised 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:48.040 under pressure in terms of your accuracy and decision making, 1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:51.439 that's tough in the NFL because these pass rushers are 1:15:51.479 --> 1:15:52.519 not going to let you off the hook. 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:55.920 Yeah, that's outside of the injuries. The biggest knock on 1:15:55.960 --> 1:15:57.880 him everything you just said, is that when he gets 1:15:57.960 --> 1:16:00.599 rushers in his face, he gets a little sped up times. Now, 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:05.479 he's good at not he's good at snapping out of it. 1:16:05.560 --> 1:16:10.240 In that if he's pressured early, even if the pressure 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:12.439 some guys that they're pressured early, even if the pressure 1:16:12.479 --> 1:16:16.400 comes up stops late, they still continue to act pressured 1:16:16.400 --> 1:16:19.439 because they're their internal clocks off. With Pennix, it's very 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:21.840 play to play. I don't think you ever really see it. 1:16:21.880 --> 1:16:24.360 We're like, he'll get pressured early in the game, late 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:26.400 in the game, the team will back off and he 1:16:26.520 --> 1:16:28.400 just kind of goes back to being himself. Yeah, so 1:16:28.479 --> 1:16:31.400 that's encouraging, but the pressure is a real concern, and 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:35.200 you have you draft him. I think off they need 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:36.639 offensive line one way or the other. I'm not saying 1:16:36.640 --> 1:16:39.920 they don't. They need to defense, like I'm talking about. 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:43.400 That's where it's You signed Tyron Smith, you signed Mike 1:16:43.479 --> 1:16:44.800 and Winne, and you took a guy in the top 1:16:44.800 --> 1:16:46.840 one hundred. Yeah, kind of kind of investment in the 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:50.200 offense line. Cody Schrader to the other point, I am 1:16:50.280 --> 1:16:52.479 a running back. Yeah, he's the running back for Missouri. 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:54.320 I don't know how much Missouri. Well, you watched him 1:16:54.360 --> 1:16:56.519 on Foster's you must have been exposed him a little bit. 1:16:56.880 --> 1:17:01.120 Probably just didn't pay attention. Really interesting. So he played 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:04.519 four years at the D two level and was kind 1:17:04.520 --> 1:17:06.840 of a backup. I think he sort of broke through. 1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:09.400 I can get his stats real quick. Yeah, he played 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:11.519 four years at the D two level, only one as 1:17:11.560 --> 1:17:14.880 a starter. Truman State transferred to Missouri, had a solid 1:17:14.960 --> 1:17:17.080 year and twenty two and then last year came back. 1:17:17.200 --> 1:17:20.240 Was a team captain, unanimous All American, ran for sixteen 1:17:20.320 --> 1:17:24.720 hundred yards, like highly highly productive, tough tackle. And he's 1:17:24.720 --> 1:17:27.040 not a big guy. He's five nine two fourteen. He 1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:28.880 was I have the number somewhere. He was like top 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:32.960 ten according to PFF and broken tackles. So I have 1:17:33.080 --> 1:17:34.320 for a guy that size. 1:17:34.080 --> 1:17:35.519 I have two running back takes, and one of them 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:38.800 I think is really going to surprise you in the draft. 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:42.040 Dylan Lobby and Dowan Edwards from Georgia and my guys. 1:17:42.439 --> 1:17:46.439 I like both guy I like and I like the 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:51.080 Is it the kid from Baylor? Is it not Baylor? 1:17:51.120 --> 1:17:52.600 I don't know. I'll think I'll think of it in 1:17:52.600 --> 1:17:54.320 a second, but those are those two guys on day 1:17:54.320 --> 1:17:58.360 three or my guys right now? Okay at TCU, Monti, Bailey, No, 1:17:58.479 --> 1:18:01.200 I'll think of it in a second, all right. The 1:18:01.280 --> 1:18:03.920 thing to me with Lobby and I like him as 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:05.640 a player. I really like him as a player. I 1:18:05.760 --> 1:18:08.759 like Louby. Does that role exist in Alex vand Pelt's offense? 1:18:09.680 --> 1:18:13.719 The spread back? It's not so much that I don't. 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:17.120 I see him as a guy that can play in 1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:19.479 like a sub package back role that's not just third 1:18:19.520 --> 1:18:21.519 down like. I think he can be like a true 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:25.240 sub back, you know more maybe in like a Rex 1:18:25.320 --> 1:18:28.200 Burkehead type of way than like a James White type 1:18:28.240 --> 1:18:31.559 of And I think that that could exist, especially if 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:33.880 they draft Jaden Daniels and they're more gun heavy and 1:18:33.920 --> 1:18:35.920 that's how they run there. They're gonna need sort of 1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:38.400 that speed spread. You know, we're gonna spread the field 1:18:38.400 --> 1:18:41.120 out and gash you down the hill like they're gonna 1:18:41.160 --> 1:18:43.559 need the back that can get downhill like that like 1:18:43.640 --> 1:18:47.120 Lobby can in a hurry. Edwards, I was really impressed 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:49.120 with Marshall Lloyd from USC you know, fight on. 1:18:49.600 --> 1:18:51.800 He's really good. He's gonna end up being top one hundred. Yeah, 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:56.120 he's awesome, really good, right back, Jalen, right now, Tennessee. 1:18:56.439 --> 1:18:57.479 I'll look it up in a second. 1:18:58.240 --> 1:19:01.439 The one thing that I I this is bothering you, 1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:01.880 isn't it? 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:04.400 Is you actually like a running back? I need to 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:09.800 know who it is. Who was it? I don't know. 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:12.000 I don't know who I'm thinking of, and my brain 1:19:12.080 --> 1:19:15.720 is broken right now? Is he the SIOL? I think so? Yeah. 1:19:16.240 --> 1:19:17.960 I don't know where else I would have seen him. 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:20.559 All right, I'll look it up in a second, I promise, 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:23.719 really really quickly. On the running backs, this is gonna 1:19:23.760 --> 1:19:24.400 blow you away. 1:19:24.640 --> 1:19:27.639 Yeah. I'm kind of four of going after a running 1:19:27.640 --> 1:19:28.559 back in free agency. 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:32.799 I kind of am too, because this is a loaded 1:19:32.960 --> 1:19:37.839 free agency class at running back Derrick Henry Josh Jacobs. 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:40.400 Wait wait wait wait, I thought you meant like giving 1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:42.760 some guy one year three million. No, no, no, no, I'm 1:19:42.800 --> 1:19:47.960 serious about this. Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley, Tony Pollard, 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:52.200 Austin Eckler, DeAndre Swift. Those are the top six I 1:19:52.200 --> 1:19:56.240 think in free agency. Okay, they want to run the ball. 1:19:56.840 --> 1:19:59.240 They can't go into another year where they have two 1:19:59.320 --> 1:20:01.519 running backs. It's not it's not feasible. 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:04.760 And I think that there's a really good argument to 1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:08.280 be made that this this could be an old Bella check. 1:20:08.320 --> 1:20:10.200 And I know he's not here anymore, but maybe one 1:20:10.200 --> 1:20:13.400 thing that they do hold over a zig where everybody 1:20:13.400 --> 1:20:16.320 else is zagging. Like all these running backs are hitting 1:20:16.320 --> 1:20:19.679 free agency. Nobody wants to pay running backs, which tells 1:20:19.720 --> 1:20:22.040 me that someone is going to be cheap on this 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:22.800 on the market. 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:24.320 Not the projected contracts from PFF. 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:26.400 I think the projected you can tell me. But the 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:28.719 projected contracts I think are gonna end up being too high. 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:31.880 Barkley three years twelve per Oh, Bucky Irving, That's who 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:36.840 I was thinking. Oh, I like Bucky Irving, Oregon, Yeah, whatever, 1:20:37.640 --> 1:20:39.760 I like Bucky ir Bucky, he's kind of come to 1:20:39.800 --> 1:20:49.880 me more change of pace back? Yeah on this list? Sorry? Uh, 1:20:50.400 --> 1:20:52.519 Bucky Irving in the draft, didn't Why do I think 1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:55.120 he went back to school? Did he? I don't know. 1:20:55.120 --> 1:20:59.360 I saw him in a mock draft, like, oh, no, 1:20:59.400 --> 1:21:01.040 he is in the draft. Yeah, yeah, it's weird. He's 1:21:01.080 --> 1:21:03.280 not on our big board, all right? True? Oh yeah, 1:21:03.600 --> 1:21:05.960 oh because his name's his real name's Marquise That's why 1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:08.800 he's listed as Marquee serving. He's projected top one hundred pick. 1:21:08.800 --> 1:21:10.360 How much do you like him? Not that much, but 1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:12.000 I just like his play. I like all right, No, 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:13.960 I like him too. I forgot that Bucky's not a 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:14.400 really back. 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:17.200 But I think that there is a real chance that 1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:21.160 running backs, especially some of the free agent I'm blown 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:23.479 away this is, I know, because I think that there's 1:21:23.479 --> 1:21:25.320 a real chance that those guys are going to be 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:28.639 extremely undervalued because all the nerds like me are telling 1:21:28.680 --> 1:21:31.240 you not to pay running backs. So I'm not saying 1:21:31.280 --> 1:21:33.400 to pay a guy ten million dollars a year. But 1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:36.439 let's say they we get to free agency and like 1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:40.400 Austin Eckler is available for like six million bucks, like 1:21:40.479 --> 1:21:43.320 Zeke was last year. Right, you know, I'm all for that. 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:48.200 I think pairing. I would like ideally to pair Ramandre 1:21:48.320 --> 1:21:52.240 Stevenson with like a thunder and lightning type speed. So 1:21:52.520 --> 1:21:55.200 I look at it, and I say, Tony Pollard Austin 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:56.120 Eckler like those. 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:58.320 You look at what Cleveland had last year, Nick Chubb, 1:21:58.400 --> 1:22:00.400 the last few years Nick Chub, kareem Hunt. They put 1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:03.639 together a true all right, So Barkley three years twelve 1:22:03.640 --> 1:22:08.120 per yeah, no, alright, twenty guaranteed, Josh Jacobs projected three 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:11.920 years eleven per eleven and a half per Nope out 1:22:12.080 --> 1:22:15.720 Derrick Henry two years ten per ten per year for 1:22:15.920 --> 1:22:19.479 thirty year old, thirteen million guaranteed twenty total food. No, 1:22:19.920 --> 1:22:23.000 I would absolutely do that. No, that thirteen million guaranteed 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:24.720 on a two year contract way too much. It's like 1:22:24.760 --> 1:22:26.760 six and a half what they pay Zeke. 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:30.040 I think it's a combination. But like I just said, 1:22:30.080 --> 1:22:32.440 like that's you have. Now you just have two bulldozers 1:22:32.439 --> 1:22:32.880 like what. 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:33.599 Like all right? Fine? 1:22:33.760 --> 1:22:33.840 Uh? 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:38.320 Pollard three years eight per yes, Eckler two six point 1:22:38.560 --> 1:22:41.880 seven per one hundred percent. Yes. Swift really interests me 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:43.800 because I just think he fits that style. Three years 1:22:43.840 --> 1:22:44.720 six point two per. 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:47.360 I love the idea, and I know that he had 1:22:47.400 --> 1:22:50.120 a down year last year, So I like gravitate a 1:22:50.160 --> 1:22:52.160 little bit more towards Tony Pollard because I think he's 1:22:52.160 --> 1:22:55.880 a little younger. Tony Pollard had a down year last 1:22:55.960 --> 1:22:58.720 year with Dallas as the as the work course, like 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:00.559 he was supposed to be the lead back they moved 1:23:00.560 --> 1:23:02.840 on from Zeke. But the year before that, when he 1:23:02.960 --> 1:23:05.800 was like in a tandem with Zeke, he was the 1:23:05.840 --> 1:23:06.280 better back. 1:23:06.320 --> 1:23:06.679 Excellent. 1:23:06.800 --> 1:23:09.640 Yeah, And so I wonder if he's more of like 1:23:10.000 --> 1:23:12.720 one hundred hundred and twenty five touch guy versus a 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:15.400 two hundred touch guy, Like does that help him? And 1:23:15.439 --> 1:23:17.920 he just exploits with Thermandra, I could see that it's 1:23:17.920 --> 1:23:20.479 a thunder and light. Look, I think they need to 1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:23.120 draft a running back because Ramandre's in a contract year 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:29.439 and you can't unless maybe that I'm saying, like, obviously, 1:23:29.520 --> 1:23:32.599 everm Andre, give Tony Pollard like a two year deal 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:36.200 at a reasonable contract, and you draft a running back 1:23:36.200 --> 1:23:38.439 in the sixth round, you know, like to round it 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:39.360 out like that sort of thing. 1:23:39.360 --> 1:23:41.400 Well, that would be that's about where Cody Schrader is 1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:42.960 supposed to go, and he'd be a really good compliment 1:23:43.000 --> 1:23:43.519 for those. 1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:45.960 Yeah, yeah, just draft a younger guy. Maybe Kevin Harris 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:47.880 is another guy that could be like the fourth back 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:50.960 in that committee, right, and the third back would be 1:23:51.000 --> 1:23:52.000 somebody that you draft. 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:54.840 I am surprised, Okay, I am. 1:23:55.320 --> 1:23:57.280 My whole take in free agency, and then I do 1:23:57.320 --> 1:23:58.760 want to get to the combine. We have some more 1:23:58.760 --> 1:24:01.120 calls to get to too. My whole take in free 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:04.200 agency is that I want to pay talent. I don't 1:24:04.240 --> 1:24:07.200 want to pay Nelson Aguilar and John Smith, right, I 1:24:07.320 --> 1:24:10.040 want to just because those guys play positions of need 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:12.840 that are bigger on your board. If running back is 1:24:12.880 --> 1:24:15.880 deep in free agency and you have seventy five million 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:19.920 dollars in free agency to spend, pay a running back. 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:23.040 If all these defensive linemen and edge rushers that are 1:24:23.040 --> 1:24:25.400 going to be free agents, that are studs. If some 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:27.320 of the a lot of these guys don't get tagged 1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:30.400 and they actually hit unrestricted free agency, go give a 1:24:30.400 --> 1:24:32.400 bag to Brian Burns, you know, go give a bag 1:24:33.240 --> 1:24:34.880 that idea I love, Go give it. 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:38.280 You know you know who I really want? Who Josh Allen? Yeah, 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:40.599 the other Josh Allen, right, No, the like the Josh 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:43.720 Allen the good one. Oh god, that's not fair, the 1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:45.320 one that's been a problem. Okay, do you know who 1:24:45.360 --> 1:24:47.800 I really want? Lagarious Need? 1:24:48.360 --> 1:24:51.360 I would back up the Brings truck if I could 1:24:51.400 --> 1:24:54.880 have Christian Gonzalez and Lagarious Need for the next four 1:24:54.920 --> 1:24:56.360 to five years in the secondary. 1:24:56.439 --> 1:24:59.240 All for that? All right, since we're just randomly throwing 1:24:59.280 --> 1:25:02.280 out free agents at this point, which is fun. Yeah, 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:08.639 somebody was the ESPN or PFF. Somebody put Christian Wilkins. 1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:08.800 Ina. 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:12.160 I love that fit too. I mean that you're you're 1:25:12.200 --> 1:25:14.640 running a different defense. Now, are you two gapping with 1:25:14.720 --> 1:25:18.320 Christian Wilkins and Christian Barmore? No? No, I think you could. 1:25:18.880 --> 1:25:22.439 But I don't think that they're necessarily like pigeonholed to 1:25:22.479 --> 1:25:25.400 one thing, you know, like up the field players. But 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:28.320 last year in Fangio's system, he's playing gap in a half, 1:25:28.360 --> 1:25:29.799 which is similar to to gapping. 1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:31.160 So it's possible. 1:25:31.439 --> 1:25:35.920 I think that Christian Wilkins, like that's we're talking in 1:25:35.960 --> 1:25:39.000 free agency. I'd like talent grab right, Like Christian Wilkins 1:25:39.080 --> 1:25:42.160 is a great player. Make you'll figure it out. Yeah, 1:25:42.320 --> 1:25:46.120 local Christian Wilkins. But if oh god, if they got 1:25:46.160 --> 1:25:50.080 if they got Sneid and Christian Gonzales as their perimeter corners. 1:25:50.560 --> 1:25:52.599 That way you're gonna say they got Stephen christ Jones. 1:25:52.640 --> 1:25:55.400 That would be absolutely terrifying. Like I don't know how 1:25:55.920 --> 1:25:58.320 like you can play pressman to man for four quarters 1:25:58.720 --> 1:26:00.920 with those two guys. Let me give you again, Well, 1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:05.400 we're thrown out names because obviously it didn't end here. 1:26:05.400 --> 1:26:07.840 Great for him, but it's a new coach and maybe 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:11.080 to bring gilmore he's still played pretty well as he's 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:13.519 all right, he's he doesn't have I'm not saying it 1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:16.240 like the same. Let's say, but he's fine. You're not 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:19.400 gonna sign Lugerious Sneed and Christian Wilkins, Like that's just 1:26:19.680 --> 1:26:22.000 too many assets on defense and what are you doing 1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:25.320 a tackle? And why not? That's probably you're probably talking 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:27.840 at thirty thirty five million dollars. Yeah, but you know 1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:30.840 how contract structures work. That's true. Okay, I'm just saying, 1:26:30.840 --> 1:26:33.000 like Stefan Gilmour is like a bridge corner. I've always 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.519 liked the idea of Steph coming back here. Yeah, no, 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:37.720 I don't hate that. The other valuable part of that, 1:26:37.760 --> 1:26:41.720 it's just one year. Get Steph in the classroom. With Christianzalez. 1:26:41.800 --> 1:26:43.760 Yeah, no, I don't hate that at all. I don't 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:45.559 hate that at all. If that's the route that they 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:48.719 decided to go, I don't. I don't love the offensive 1:26:48.720 --> 1:26:51.200 players in free agency. I'm gonna be honest. I hate 1:26:51.240 --> 1:26:52.759 the tackles. I think all the tackles. 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:55.040 I hate the tackles. But I also think they've put 1:26:55.080 --> 1:26:58.120 themselves in a position at that position where they can't 1:26:58.120 --> 1:26:58.559 be picky. 1:26:58.720 --> 1:27:01.640 Okay, but the pro is that like so many of 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:03.960 those guys don't even stay on the field. So like 1:27:03.960 --> 1:27:06.799 that that's my bigger concern. It's one thing if oh, yeah, 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:09.080 if they were going to bring in a tackle, because 1:27:09.080 --> 1:27:11.840 they just have to bring in a veteran tackle, and yeah, 1:27:11.880 --> 1:27:14.320 he's probably more like a C plus player than like 1:27:14.360 --> 1:27:17.200 a true blue chip tackle. You're not gonna find the 1:27:17.200 --> 1:27:19.519 blue chip tackle in free agency. Most likely they don't 1:27:19.520 --> 1:27:21.200 come available. That's fine. 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:25.280 So you're out on Tyron Smith as like a bridge guy. 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:28.160 Yes, And I also just don't see Tyrann Like why 1:27:28.200 --> 1:27:30.720 at this point of Tyron Smith's career is he leaving 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:34.599 Dallas money? They they'd pay their players in Dallas, I know, 1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:37.719 but aren't they trying to like reconfigure der line. Wasn't 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:39.200 there something that like they're gonna try to move on 1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:39.599 from him? 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:40.240 Uh? 1:27:40.320 --> 1:27:45.479 Maybe, I He's probably the one guy that I would say, okay, Like, 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:47.320 you know, he's obviously an upgrade. 1:27:47.360 --> 1:27:50.040 He's thirty four, he's not forty. No, you sign like 1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:53.720 a two year deal heavy, heavily away the guaranteed money 1:27:53.720 --> 1:27:55.040 in the first year, and it just buys you a 1:27:55.120 --> 1:27:56.439 year of tackle essentially. Yeah. 1:27:56.479 --> 1:27:58.360 I mean I also like Jonah Williams, Like just as 1:27:58.400 --> 1:28:01.040 a player, I think that that, you know, he's a 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:04.120 fine player. But like last year in free agency with tackles, 1:28:04.320 --> 1:28:06.680 you know, I would have been okay with overplaying a 1:28:06.720 --> 1:28:10.000 little bit for McGlen cheek. We talked about this at 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:13.200 nauseum last year. I would have been over okay with but. 1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:16.479 Soto sign one Draft one. 1:28:16.520 --> 1:28:18.840 I would have been okay with doing that. But this 1:28:18.920 --> 1:28:21.519 class in the tackles in this class are not on 1:28:21.560 --> 1:28:24.320 that level. Like those guys all were like like I 1:28:24.400 --> 1:28:26.880 just said, like C plus B minus players. Yeah, but 1:28:26.880 --> 1:28:29.080 they all stayed on the field and they played right 1:28:29.160 --> 1:28:29.960 like they were all right. 1:28:30.160 --> 1:28:33.160 You know that you could count on those guys this 1:28:33.160 --> 1:28:36.479 this group, like Mackai Beckton Jones. I would rather they 1:28:36.520 --> 1:28:38.439 not have to go to tackle for free agency. That 1:28:38.520 --> 1:28:41.040 obviously means you're using a top fifty pick in the 1:28:41.080 --> 1:28:43.439 draft on a tackle and bringing back Mike Go and Wuenu. 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:46.280 The only two positions that excite me on offense and 1:28:46.280 --> 1:28:48.760 free agency running back, which we talked about in tight end. Yeah, 1:28:48.800 --> 1:28:51.040 tight end does excite me as well, especially because you've 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:55.960 got Austin Hooper and the other one who's in Cleveland 1:28:55.960 --> 1:28:59.080 with Harrison Bryant. Harris and Bryant are there. I think 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:01.519 we talked about no making a lot of sense for them. 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:04.280 Like I, I think they need to sign a tight end. 1:29:04.400 --> 1:29:06.439 You can't do the two rookie tight end thing. Again, 1:29:06.680 --> 1:29:10.360 that position historically is the slowest developing. Yeah, rookie tight 1:29:10.479 --> 1:29:12.760 ends produced less than rookies at any other position. Doesn't 1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:15.439 mean tight ends aren't good. They just start producing later. 1:29:15.560 --> 1:29:17.360 So even if you're in a draft a tight end, 1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:19.760 I still think he signed somebody to pair with him, 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:23.840 whether it is Fant or Bryant or Austin Hooper or 1:29:24.200 --> 1:29:24.920 like Adam Troutman. 1:29:25.040 --> 1:29:27.960 I would be really surprised if Harrison Bryan isn't isn't 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:31.639 a Baseriot. I just feel like watching their film last 1:29:31.960 --> 1:29:34.680 from last year with Cleveland, they used him as as 1:29:34.720 --> 1:29:38.080 a pretty unique player in terms of the run game, 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:40.400 and you know, he was blocking more as like a 1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:42.439 wing instead of like a true in line most of 1:29:42.520 --> 1:29:44.840 the time. But they moved him around a bunch, and 1:29:45.000 --> 1:29:47.840 he's athletic. I think he's got some breakout potential. Like 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:49.320 not like that he's gonna all a sudden be a 1:29:49.360 --> 1:29:52.080 thousand yard receiver, but well, could he be what Kendrick 1:29:52.120 --> 1:29:54.160 Bourne was to the twenty one class, Yeah, something like that. 1:29:54.160 --> 1:29:55.760 We're like, they sign Kendrick Bourne and we were all 1:29:55.840 --> 1:29:57.439 kind of like all right, like he was in the 1:29:57.479 --> 1:29:59.360 mix with some other guys, and you look back, he 1:29:59.439 --> 1:30:02.240 was their best offensive signing. I just look at the 1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:05.960 way that they use tight ends with AVP. I love 1:30:06.040 --> 1:30:08.920 Hunter Henry. I think he's been a great Patriot, you know, 1:30:08.960 --> 1:30:12.519 one of the clear you know, they hit on that 1:30:12.680 --> 1:30:15.759 signing when they signed him in free agency. But AVP 1:30:16.040 --> 1:30:20.000 likes more athletic and more explosive guys. You know, Harrison 1:30:20.000 --> 1:30:22.880 Brian certainly fits that category and his you know, tier 1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:24.400 of player. He's not as good of a player as 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:28.320 Hunter Henry but you know, a guy obviously like David 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:30.360 n Joku is probably one of the most explosive tight 1:30:30.439 --> 1:30:32.320 ends in the league, right, Like, those are the types 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:34.800 of guys that they gravitate towards. So I think, no 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:37.599 offense on the table, he's not the best blocker, but 1:30:37.640 --> 1:30:39.559 in terms of getting up the field and getting vertical 1:30:39.600 --> 1:30:42.080 and creating big plays off of play action, he's certainly 1:30:42.080 --> 1:30:44.639 somebody that can do that for he's fast, explosive player. 1:30:44.960 --> 1:30:46.960 I think Gerald Everett, I mentioned a couple of times, 1:30:47.439 --> 1:30:50.200 really like that fit for them because when they run 1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:52.840 bootlegs and stuff like that, he can be that guy 1:30:52.880 --> 1:30:54.960 that's the dump off in the flat on the slide 1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:57.960 or submarine route coming out across the formation that you 1:30:58.080 --> 1:30:59.600 just throw them the ball in the flat and it 1:30:59.680 --> 1:31:02.479 can turn into a fifteen twenty yard game. It's funny 1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:05.080 because Gerald Everett, in my mind, it reminds me a 1:31:05.080 --> 1:31:07.360 lot of John new Smith, but they just didn't have 1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:09.800 the plan the first time around. For John john Smith, meanwhile, 1:31:09.800 --> 1:31:11.400 it would be like a great fit for this offense 1:31:11.400 --> 1:31:11.960 they're gonna run. 1:31:12.000 --> 1:31:12.120 Now. 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:13.920 That's why I feel like Gerald Everett's a decent fit 1:31:13.960 --> 1:31:16.120 for it. You know, he's similar type of players. So 1:31:16.720 --> 1:31:20.360 I agree that in free agency they should be able 1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:23.360 to get a tight end that is a starting caliber 1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:26.680 NFL tight end and that'll allow them to maybe not 1:31:27.120 --> 1:31:29.400 need it as desperately once we get to the draft. 1:31:29.560 --> 1:31:33.320 But I still think they should draft somebody just oh yeah, 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:35.600 to have that pipeline going. Yeah, all right, we got 1:31:35.680 --> 1:31:38.160 to get through these got Donald parm Oh is he 1:31:38.200 --> 1:31:41.680 free agent? Actually? I think he is. OK. Steve is 1:31:41.680 --> 1:31:48.200 in New Jersey. What's up, Steve? Hello, Hey, Steve hid So. 1:31:48.720 --> 1:31:53.040 I have a two questions, well, one kind of comment 1:31:53.120 --> 1:31:58.280 for Alex, but one of them is so the comment 1:31:58.320 --> 1:32:01.240 I'll start with is I think we should go with 1:32:01.240 --> 1:32:04.120 the white helmets for all the time. I feel like 1:32:04.120 --> 1:32:06.559 the silver just didn't even match the uniforms. I want 1:32:06.600 --> 1:32:09.960 you to go on Madden tonight and tell me how 1:32:09.960 --> 1:32:14.240 they look for next week show. Okay, And then the 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:22.000 question is what do you guys think of TEUs Walker 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:24.640 matching him up with Drake Meg We judged in the 1:32:24.680 --> 1:32:28.240 first round because we get ted Walker in the third round. 1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:30.400 Thanks guys, thanks for the calls. Team. 1:32:30.439 --> 1:32:35.040 Look, it's definitely there right the connection I tedes Walker 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:37.920 had an awful senior Bowl Walk. Yeah, and I have 1:32:37.960 --> 1:32:40.680 a lot of hesitations about Ted Walker. I didn't like 1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:44.600 think that he popped watching Drake mayfilm. I didn't necessarily 1:32:44.680 --> 1:32:49.240 notice him. And then at the Senior Bowl separation finishing 1:32:49.280 --> 1:32:52.040 through contact hands obviously had a ton of drops that 1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:54.160 week at the Senior Bowl. It was a disaster for 1:32:54.240 --> 1:32:57.640 tes Walker. Now with that being said, is there a 1:32:57.680 --> 1:32:59.600 chance that Ted Walker is now available in like the 1:32:59.600 --> 1:33:03.280 fifth and all of a sudden he's value Maybe? And 1:33:03.600 --> 1:33:05.000 that would be more intriguing to me. 1:33:05.160 --> 1:33:10.160 I think there's inherent value in tes Walker becomes a 1:33:10.200 --> 1:33:12.840 better pick if you draft Drake May. Agree, if that 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:15.519 makes where like there's a level of comfort for both, Yeah, 1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:17.720 that should elevate both. Does that mean you race up 1:33:17.760 --> 1:33:18.559 the board to get him? 1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:18.640 Know? 1:33:19.120 --> 1:33:20.680 But like you said, like, let's say you can get 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:22.720 tes Walker, I'd even say in the fourth round and 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:25.280 you have Drake May, It's like, all right, well, now 1:33:25.360 --> 1:33:27.960 Drake May is a familiar face to throw to these guys, 1:33:28.000 --> 1:33:30.120 already gives him chemistry, It'll help him hit the ground rolling, 1:33:30.160 --> 1:33:32.479 it'll make things easier, and maybe that helps. Because it's 1:33:32.479 --> 1:33:35.040 all about player development, right, I'm not saying like, oh 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:37.559 you're burning a fourth round pick to make your quarterback comfortable. 1:33:37.560 --> 1:33:40.960 It's maybe it makes both players develop a little bit 1:33:41.040 --> 1:33:43.000 at a little bit higher level than they would otherwise. 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:45.479 Big big week for tes Walker next week, because the 1:33:45.520 --> 1:33:47.920 one thing that he has his speed. Yeah, so when 1:33:47.920 --> 1:33:50.439 he runs in the forty, if he doesn't put down 1:33:50.439 --> 1:33:52.680 something in the low four fours, then I don't know 1:33:52.680 --> 1:33:54.920 where he's gonna go in the draft after the Senior Bowl. 1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:56.000 Like it could it could be. 1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:59.120 On Day three after a guy that some people thought 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:00.800 early on in the problem, this is gonna be like 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:03.280 a second round pick. So that's gonna be interesting. 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:04.960 You know, if he if he's like a four four 1:34:05.080 --> 1:34:08.240 eight guy in the Senior Bowl week, then watch out, 1:34:08.320 --> 1:34:10.200 Like he could fall all the way down the board. 1:34:10.720 --> 1:34:12.559 If he runs well, he might be able to save 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:14.280 his stock a little bit. So it'd be interesting to 1:34:14.280 --> 1:34:16.920 see what he runs. Nick is in Omaha. What's up? Nick? 1:34:18.439 --> 1:34:23.479 Hey, you guys, how's it going good? My girlfriend got 1:34:23.520 --> 1:34:25.400 wyn and I was calling in and she wanted to listen, 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:29.559 So shout out to Riley, Hello, how's it going? Which 1:34:29.800 --> 1:34:31.960 nice kind of a side story. I was a little 1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:34.439 nervous to meet her family and I show up and 1:34:34.439 --> 1:34:36.800 her brother's got a Patriots hat on. So hey, you 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:39.760 know that's there, the stars aligning right there. 1:34:40.400 --> 1:34:40.679 Nice. 1:34:42.200 --> 1:34:46.160 No, I I called a couple weeks back for it 1:34:46.240 --> 1:34:47.800 was like a Madden question. You guys helped me out, 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:51.240 so appreciate on that. A couple of comments, one Evan, 1:34:51.520 --> 1:34:53.479 I am actually very surprised you don't play. 1:34:53.320 --> 1:34:55.960 Matt No, I used. 1:34:56.920 --> 1:34:58.960 I know I used to back in the day, but 1:34:59.560 --> 1:35:01.719 you know, I grew up. You know, I just I don't. 1:35:01.920 --> 1:35:04.200 I don't have time for it anymore. Unfortunately. 1:35:05.920 --> 1:35:09.160 Yeah, I should probably stop playing, but I just figured 1:35:09.200 --> 1:35:10.400 the schemes in the con No. 1:35:10.520 --> 1:35:13.040 Don't stop playing. It's fun. Plus we're getting it. We're 1:35:13.040 --> 1:35:15.120 getting the college game in a few few months. 1:35:14.920 --> 1:35:16.280 So true. 1:35:16.439 --> 1:35:16.679 True. 1:35:16.760 --> 1:35:19.400 Yeah, I just heard like three or four people mentioned 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:20.840 Madden as they called in, so I was like, I 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:23.360 got to bring that up. But appreciate the help on that. 1:35:23.600 --> 1:35:25.720 I haven't made to bowl yet, but I'll let you 1:35:25.760 --> 1:35:31.840 guys know. My question is a little unorthodox, and but 1:35:31.960 --> 1:35:34.600 to be fair, my you guys got me down this 1:35:34.760 --> 1:35:36.360 train of thought, so I just kind of wanted to 1:35:36.400 --> 1:35:38.720 bring it to you guys. Is there any piece of 1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:43.720 you that is like thinking the combine is a little outdated, 1:35:44.160 --> 1:35:46.920 is that? Is there any opinions there? 1:35:47.680 --> 1:35:47.800 Uh? 1:35:48.240 --> 1:35:49.519 Yeah, thanks for the call, Dick. 1:35:50.000 --> 1:35:52.960 There's so there's so many Alex's single jokes in there 1:35:53.000 --> 1:35:55.439 that I'm just gonna let fly right by on all 1:35:55.520 --> 1:36:00.639 these things go ahead. No, no, no, I know, no, No, 1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:06.559 I think the combine being outdated. Yes, and no, I 1:36:06.600 --> 1:36:11.080 think that there's still a lot of value, certainly for teams. 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:13.320 There's a ton of value in the interviews and the 1:36:13.360 --> 1:36:16.040 medical side of things, like that's ninety percent of the 1:36:16.080 --> 1:36:18.200 combine at this point in terms of the actual event. 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:21.880 But I still think that there's value in this is 1:36:22.800 --> 1:36:26.200 a timed forty that everybody's on the same track on 1:36:26.280 --> 1:36:30.839 the same watch, right, and like it's not necessarily judging 1:36:30.920 --> 1:36:33.679 game speed off the eyeball test. And I was talking 1:36:33.720 --> 1:36:36.640 to at the Senior Bowl, Macro and Cameron Williams did 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:39.160 interviews with us, and I talked to Kareron Williams a 1:36:39.200 --> 1:36:42.120 little bit about this because he had mentioned that at 1:36:42.200 --> 1:36:46.400 Wide Receiver that they still think that there's value in 1:36:46.439 --> 1:36:49.080 the forty yard dash and like seeing how these guys 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:52.240 test athletically because it's such an athletic position. And I 1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:55.280 asked him about in game player tracking, and I was like, well, 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:57.840 don't you guys have the zebra speeds, so like what 1:36:57.880 --> 1:37:01.080 difference does it make? And he said that that they do, 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:06.120 and they obviously use that stuff. But certain guys, you know, 1:37:06.120 --> 1:37:08.719 we're just talking about teses Walker, right, like go ball receiver. 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:11.920 Certain guys are running eighty yards down the field, and 1:37:11.920 --> 1:37:13.599 when they run eighty yards down the field, they can 1:37:13.600 --> 1:37:16.040 build up speed to twenty one miles an hour. Then 1:37:16.080 --> 1:37:18.080 you have like a Pop Douglas who maybe was running 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:19.920 out of the slot the entire like he's running five 1:37:19.960 --> 1:37:21.840 yard routes, He's not going to be able to hit 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:24.920 that top speed as easily or as often. So what 1:37:24.960 --> 1:37:27.400 the forty yard dash allows you to do is to 1:37:27.600 --> 1:37:30.280 you know, kind of take away the parameters of like, oh, 1:37:30.320 --> 1:37:32.479 this is an next receiver that plays on the outside, 1:37:32.520 --> 1:37:35.240 that's a vertical guy. Those guys are obviously going to 1:37:35.400 --> 1:37:38.240 test really really well in the in game and tracking 1:37:38.320 --> 1:37:40.479 data because they have the build up to get to 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:44.400 those speeds. So I think that that context is important 1:37:44.400 --> 1:37:47.360 with those types of things where you have to realize 1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:51.280 that not every player gets the opportunity to hit twenty 1:37:51.320 --> 1:37:54.160 one miles an hour, So what does everybody look on 1:37:54.200 --> 1:37:56.519 an even playing field in the forty yard dash? I 1:37:56.520 --> 1:37:58.000 think it still has some value in it. 1:37:58.040 --> 1:38:00.800 And I think that splits like you taught me this, 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:03.240 and it's very valuable that ten yard split. How explosive 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:05.240 is a guy? I also think, and you can say 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:07.240 this is unfair, but this is just how the NFL works. 1:38:07.880 --> 1:38:10.840 I think teams are interested in seeing what kind of 1:38:10.880 --> 1:38:13.360 shape guys show up for to the combine and what's 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:15.439 their technique like on the forty because you just want 1:38:15.439 --> 1:38:18.920 to see it's it's what do people refer to as 1:38:19.080 --> 1:38:21.080 the most important job interviewer or whatever, something like that. 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:24.920 Or there's pressure, there's absolutely so how seriously you may 1:38:24.960 --> 1:38:27.439 not see the player prepare, but you can tell in 1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:30.840 the outcome maybe how seriously they took their preparation. And 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:32.840 I think that weighs in too. If there's a guy 1:38:33.439 --> 1:38:35.680 you don't expect to run a certain speed at a 1:38:35.680 --> 1:38:38.200 certain time and he impresses you, it's not just he's 1:38:38.240 --> 1:38:39.840 faster than you thought. You then go and you talk 1:38:39.880 --> 1:38:42.360 to him about his preparation process and maybe you end 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:45.160 up learning, wow, this guy he took this really seriously 1:38:45.200 --> 1:38:47.800 and his ability to study and pick up new things, 1:38:47.840 --> 1:38:51.400 because training for the combine is not at all there's 1:38:51.680 --> 1:38:54.760 very little football application to it. Yeah, so it's all right. 1:38:54.800 --> 1:38:56.800 This guy took something he hadn't done in the past 1:38:56.800 --> 1:38:58.599 and was able to pick it up quickly. That's valuable. 1:38:58.640 --> 1:39:01.760 Like I remember, I go back to Cole Strange told 1:39:01.800 --> 1:39:04.679 us this after his rookie year that we asked him about, 1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:08.320 you know, his first true NFL off season, and he 1:39:08.360 --> 1:39:10.360 said the one thing he was looking forward to was 1:39:10.400 --> 1:39:13.240 getting was actually working on football because his rookie off 1:39:13.240 --> 1:39:15.639 season he spent so much with training for the combine, 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:18.439 right that there wasn't a ton of football involved. Yeah, 1:39:18.479 --> 1:39:22.600 so I think just learning how guys approach it. And 1:39:22.640 --> 1:39:24.799 then obviously there's the whole thing about the original purpose 1:39:24.800 --> 1:39:27.840 of the forty, which the first, the first to the 1:39:27.880 --> 1:39:30.559 first comment on the show in the chat today was 1:39:30.560 --> 1:39:32.240 asking if I was gonna tell the story, So I won't. 1:39:32.240 --> 1:39:34.680 It only took us to almost two hours into the 1:39:34.720 --> 1:39:36.960 show for Alex to finally tell us about the forty. 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:40.280 Did they run the forty even to cover punts like that? Right? 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:42.639 So I will not stop until everybody on the planet 1:39:42.680 --> 1:39:43.760 knows that the last thing. 1:39:43.800 --> 1:39:46.880 And look, I I'll fully admit I'm pumped about the 1:39:46.920 --> 1:39:49.880 combine next week. I'm it's my favorite thing, like of 1:39:49.920 --> 1:39:52.960 the year probably. I love the combine. I'm a sucker 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:54.920 for it, all right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna say 1:39:54.920 --> 1:39:57.920 the combine still still matters for those reasons. But I 1:39:58.000 --> 1:40:00.519 also like you your point about how well they trained 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:02.800 for it and how well they prepared for it. When 1:40:02.840 --> 1:40:05.840 you get to the on field drill portion and a 1:40:05.960 --> 1:40:08.679 receiver is going through the gauntlet or the quarterbacks throwing 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:12.519 or whatever, there's a lot of there's natural pressure that's 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:16.519 created in those situations. Everybody's eyes are on you all 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:20.120 thirty two teams are staring at you, You're on national TV. Like, 1:40:20.200 --> 1:40:22.080 there is a lot of pressure in that and how 1:40:22.160 --> 1:40:25.519 people handle that environment is important. I think a lot 1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:28.640 of the things that receivers do and these are important 1:40:29.080 --> 1:40:32.000 as well. Like you can really see, especially you know, 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:35.120 when we get to it next week when they run 1:40:35.160 --> 1:40:37.840 the gauntlet, Like you can really see who is a 1:40:37.960 --> 1:40:41.280 natural hands catcher, Like who's really able to. 1:40:41.280 --> 1:40:44.599 Know that's a football apple? Yeah, and that's important. 1:40:44.720 --> 1:40:47.880 Yeah, you know, who's not fighting the ball, who's smooth? 1:40:47.960 --> 1:40:50.880 With it who you know drops or obviously like those 1:40:50.920 --> 1:40:53.840 are things that matter a lot because you you know 1:40:53.920 --> 1:40:56.400 guys that can transition and run and then catch the 1:40:56.400 --> 1:40:58.720 ball on the run and not slow down and not 1:40:58.840 --> 1:41:01.559 lose speed like that such an important skill for the 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:02.680 receiver position. 1:41:02.960 --> 1:41:05.160 Not just receivers. The combine last year, remember we were 1:41:05.160 --> 1:41:07.040 trying to sort out the top of the cornerback board 1:41:07.160 --> 1:41:09.840 and combine. Last year was when Christian Gonzalez became one 1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:12.200 one for me for exactly what you just said. Going 1:41:12.240 --> 1:41:15.000 through some of the like full field drills. Yeah, and 1:41:15.160 --> 1:41:19.599 just the effortless change of direction, it just it jumped 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:24.040 out where you're like, legit, Yeah, So those hold more 1:41:24.160 --> 1:41:26.160 meaning than tests. The tests don't hold a ton of 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:28.360 meaning to me unless it's like an extreme result and 1:41:28.400 --> 1:41:32.280 when we're or the other. But the full field drill, certainly. 1:41:32.080 --> 1:41:35.200 The test is just confirming your priors or not, right, 1:41:35.479 --> 1:41:37.280 like is this guy fast or is he not fast? 1:41:37.640 --> 1:41:39.760 If I mentioned tes Walker, I think he's a great 1:41:39.800 --> 1:41:42.439 example for this. If tes Walker runs a four to 1:41:42.439 --> 1:41:44.320 three eight, then you can sit there and say, okay, 1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:47.000 you know the vertical ability on film it matches up 1:41:47.040 --> 1:41:47.559 to the forty. 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:48.120 That's good. 1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:50.720 If tes Walker runs a four to five, then you 1:41:50.720 --> 1:41:53.599 can sit there and say, you know, bad Senior Bowl 1:41:53.640 --> 1:41:56.120 four or five, like maybe you know we miss something 1:41:56.120 --> 1:41:57.920 with this guy. So I do think there is some 1:41:58.040 --> 1:41:59.840 application to it. And I'm always gonna stand for the 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:01.120 I'm because I love it. 1:42:01.160 --> 1:42:03.519 I mean, he's great, it's good sod Ware Olympics, all right, 1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:05.240 Mark is in Connecticut? What's that? Mark? 1:42:07.160 --> 1:42:09.639 Hey, guys, you guys actually kind of stole my thunder there. 1:42:10.040 --> 1:42:14.160 I was thinking for free agent running back, I'm actually 1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:16.960 going with d Swift. I think that if you pair 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:19.519 him up with Remandre, like you guys are saying, you 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:23.439 got that thunder and lightning action going on there. And 1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:28.840 then also the Harrison Bryant. I remember watching him back 1:42:28.840 --> 1:42:31.120 in college and then I wanted him back when we 1:42:31.160 --> 1:42:33.599 took the two dopes that aren't even in the NFL 1:42:33.640 --> 1:42:37.160 anymore at tight end. You know, I just you know, 1:42:37.479 --> 1:42:40.080 I don't know. Harrison Brian makes a lot of sense 1:42:40.160 --> 1:42:43.120 for New England, especially when he works with Alex van Pelt. 1:42:43.120 --> 1:42:47.479 So that those are my takes on that, and you know, 1:42:47.520 --> 1:42:50.479 I wouldn't mind Pollard, but I really think the Swift 1:42:50.640 --> 1:42:53.400 would be an electric electric player for them. 1:42:53.680 --> 1:42:56.559 Yeah, thanks for the call, market call. Yeah, I agree. 1:42:56.960 --> 1:42:58.560 First of all, don Key is in the legue on 1:42:58.600 --> 1:43:00.439 a futures contract with the Texans, so. 1:43:00.479 --> 1:43:04.080 He's barely in the league. He has, it's a future contract, 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:06.760 like he's he'll be in the league in March May. 1:43:06.880 --> 1:43:08.240 He might be on a practice squad. 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:11.920 Yeah, I'm just joking around. You were a big Bryant guy, 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:14.479 now Jackie Award winner, like your best tight end in 1:43:14.479 --> 1:43:17.960 the Adam Florida Atlantic, which to get noticed at Florida 1:43:18.000 --> 1:43:21.240 he's so alt American again it Yeah, Florida Atlantic. That's 1:43:21.280 --> 1:43:25.040 not easy, very that's not a program. That's I mean, 1:43:25.040 --> 1:43:26.680 you got to dig in the channel guy to find 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:27.719 the Florida Atlantic games. 1:43:27.880 --> 1:43:29.760 And I think you know a pretty good athlete if 1:43:29.800 --> 1:43:32.160 I remember correctly, and I had a really good Senior 1:43:32.160 --> 1:43:33.639 Bowl week obviously. 1:43:33.800 --> 1:43:36.679 Combine numbers. Yeah, give me his comedy. He didn't test 1:43:36.800 --> 1:43:41.040 uh four, so measured at six four two forty three. Yeah, 1:43:41.200 --> 1:43:44.000 that part concerns me a little bit. That's fine, he's 1:43:44.080 --> 1:43:47.000 not very big, Okay, keep going six five, six, five, okay, 1:43:47.040 --> 1:43:50.400 six uh four to seven three forty Oh really yeah? 1:43:50.439 --> 1:43:53.280 One six in the first splint, I don't know why 1:43:53.320 --> 1:43:56.400 I thought he was seven three cone, Yeah, thirty two 1:43:56.439 --> 1:44:00.160 and a half vertical, nine foot broad eighteen. But he 1:44:00.439 --> 1:44:05.400 plays I wouldn't say he plays fast, but he plays 1:44:05.439 --> 1:44:07.840 like fluidly, you know, like you can tell that he's 1:44:07.840 --> 1:44:10.400 like he's got good body control and he's a decent act. 1:44:10.520 --> 1:44:13.680 You thinking of Adam Troutman in terms of the speed, maybe, yeah, 1:44:13.840 --> 1:44:16.840 Trotman ran a four eight. Uh yeah, because you like 1:44:16.880 --> 1:44:19.160 Troutman too. I think I did like Troutman. I liked 1:44:19.160 --> 1:44:21.840 everybody besides the two guys that they drafted. I was 1:44:21.920 --> 1:44:23.640 all col Comet that year. Is the only guy I 1:44:23.680 --> 1:44:25.840 wanted to Yeah, he's a good player. Uh so you 1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:27.320 were right about that one. Yeah. 1:44:27.520 --> 1:44:31.559 In general though, whether it's swift, you know, I'm sorry. 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:32.840 I know that shocks you. 1:44:32.960 --> 1:44:36.920 I know it's not. I love it on the website. 1:44:36.960 --> 1:44:39.360 I did. I wrote it in the mail bag, but 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:43.320 I kind of buried. No no, no, no no no. Alright, 1:44:43.439 --> 1:44:47.559 headline Lazarre wants to pay running back. Okay, all right, 1:44:47.600 --> 1:44:50.040 all right, Dmitri is in Braintree. What's up, Dmitri? 1:44:51.320 --> 1:44:55.120 Hey, guys, I'm just kind of thinking about the certain 1:44:55.120 --> 1:44:56.640 pick that we're going to have, and I'm kind of 1:44:56.800 --> 1:44:58.960 like scared death about Drake May. I don't know about 1:44:59.000 --> 1:45:00.640 you guys, but I I kind of feel like we're 1:45:00.640 --> 1:45:03.120 gonna end up with them in some way. I just 1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:07.360 don't see the commanders going with like another UNC quarterback 1:45:07.520 --> 1:45:10.960 back to back rafts, like after drafting Sam Howell. I mean, 1:45:11.600 --> 1:45:13.160 I just kind of feel like we're gonna end up 1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:15.439 with them. I would firstly trade out of three if 1:45:15.479 --> 1:45:17.400 that was the last one. 1:45:17.479 --> 1:45:19.400 What don't you like about Dmitri? 1:45:21.080 --> 1:45:21.519 I don't know. 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:23.920 It's just like it's gonna sound dumb, but I keep 1:45:23.960 --> 1:45:26.400 seeing like AI pictures of him and catching it forms 1:45:26.400 --> 1:45:27.479 and it scares the hell out of me. 1:45:27.720 --> 1:45:27.840 Uh. 1:45:28.560 --> 1:45:31.800 But like I don't know his UNC like the lack 1:45:31.880 --> 1:45:34.479 of like pass pitches around him. It just doesn't feel good. 1:45:35.160 --> 1:45:38.360 Okay, all right, so thanks for the call. I think 1:45:38.360 --> 1:45:40.240 that this is something and not to like pick on 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:44.800 Dmitri or whatever, but like this this like comparison that's 1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:45.200 out there. 1:45:45.520 --> 1:45:48.320 Uh to Mitch Trubisky, Yeah, keep talking, I'm gonna find something. 1:45:48.400 --> 1:45:48.760 Keep talking. 1:45:50.000 --> 1:45:52.760 You're scout in the helmet, and that's fine, Like if 1:45:52.760 --> 1:45:55.680 you if that bothers you like Dmitri and like you 1:45:55.760 --> 1:45:57.360 just can't get over the fact that he's in North 1:45:57.360 --> 1:46:01.400 Carolina quarterback and you know, Trubisky owl like not exactly 1:46:01.400 --> 1:46:04.439 the best pedigree there in terms of quarterbacks. I get it, 1:46:04.680 --> 1:46:07.639 But I'm just telling you that Drake May and Mitch 1:46:07.680 --> 1:46:11.000 Trubisky are totally different prospects. Like they're just play totally 1:46:11.000 --> 1:46:14.640 different styles. They have totally different strengths and weaknesses. Like 1:46:14.720 --> 1:46:18.000 to Risky made like fifteen starts in college like the 1:46:18.040 --> 1:46:20.599 whole time. You know, like Drake May is a multi 1:46:20.680 --> 1:46:24.960 year starter. They just couldn't be more different. Trubisky was 1:46:25.560 --> 1:46:28.880 a good, strong athlete with a good arm that was 1:46:28.920 --> 1:46:31.880 in like a one read rpo style offense at the 1:46:31.920 --> 1:46:35.559 time at UNC that was extremely raw, that had very 1:46:35.560 --> 1:46:38.439 few starts in college football. So it's just totally different. 1:46:38.520 --> 1:46:41.280 I'm gonna give you a list quarterbacks from the modern 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:43.200 era from a certain school. You tell me the schools 1:46:43.240 --> 1:46:47.880 good at producing quarterbacks, Okay, Joe Barnes, Yeah, Tommy Dunvine, 1:46:48.920 --> 1:46:52.519 Ron Reeves, Billy Joe Tolliver. Who are these people? I'm 1:46:52.520 --> 1:46:55.920 gonna give this away a second. Cliff Kingsbury, BJ Simmons, 1:46:56.479 --> 1:46:58.800 Any good NFL quarterbacks on there? No, So if we're 1:46:58.840 --> 1:47:00.599 sitting here in twenty seventeen and you're saying, I don't 1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:02.639 want a guy from that school they never turn out quarterbacks. 1:47:02.720 --> 1:47:05.200 Yeah that's Texas Tech. You're passing on Patrick Holmes. So 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:08.360 the point, like I get it, Like the UNC quarterbacks 1:47:08.360 --> 1:47:10.519 have been fluking. Like I'll be honest, the first thought 1:47:10.560 --> 1:47:12.760 I had when I saw Drake May, especially because he's 1:47:12.760 --> 1:47:15.720 from North Carolina. Yeah, and there's that whole pipeline of 1:47:15.760 --> 1:47:18.040 North Carolina. Go, guys going to you and see him 1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:21.799 Like here we go again. Different, different, And like Sam 1:47:21.880 --> 1:47:25.639 how Drake May was a five star recruit, Drake May 1:47:25.720 --> 1:47:27.160 was originally committed to Alabama. 1:47:27.360 --> 1:47:29.160 That's something that I feel like we should we should 1:47:29.200 --> 1:47:30.679 like hammer home with him if they. 1:47:30.600 --> 1:47:32.479 Do draft well. A lot of people use that as 1:47:32.520 --> 1:47:36.320 negative why they say he was scared of Alba. He 1:47:36.360 --> 1:47:40.000 just wanted to stay home. He was not like Sam Howe, 1:47:41.040 --> 1:47:44.559 was not a five star like he wasn't he might 1:47:44.600 --> 1:47:46.360 have been a five saving, he wasn't the level of recruit. 1:47:46.479 --> 1:47:49.559 I I just blamed the Bears for this because like 1:47:49.600 --> 1:47:52.320 it's their fault that they drafted Mitch Trubisky way too high. 1:47:52.400 --> 1:47:53.800 And I could have told you at the time they 1:47:53.840 --> 1:47:54.320 drafted him. 1:47:54.320 --> 1:47:55.600 Wait too all of us could have Like I'm not 1:47:55.640 --> 1:47:58.240 saying that I'm like some special savant because of that, right, 1:47:58.320 --> 1:48:00.720 Like everybody knew they drafted him too high. If you 1:48:00.800 --> 1:48:03.720 if you want to be down on Drake May and 1:48:03.760 --> 1:48:05.840 you want to like Daniel Jones, is such a better 1:48:05.880 --> 1:48:10.240 comp in terms of like just play style experience in 1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:13.559 college football, the type of offense that they were running 1:48:14.040 --> 1:48:16.160 Drake May And I know not a lot of people, 1:48:16.200 --> 1:48:19.519 I feel like, realize this. Drake May is playing in 1:48:19.560 --> 1:48:21.599 an air raid at UNC. He plays in an air 1:48:21.680 --> 1:48:27.200 raid offense, and yeah, it's there's a lot more like 1:48:27.600 --> 1:48:32.160 you know, full field progression. Mitch Mitch Trubisky was an 1:48:32.240 --> 1:48:35.639 RPO quarterback at UNC. That's that's the offense that they ran. 1:48:36.200 --> 1:48:39.439 Drake May is is reading the full field like he's 1:48:39.479 --> 1:48:43.240 he's doing NFL quarterback stuff. He's not playing in that 1:48:43.280 --> 1:48:46.400 type of system. That that comp bothered me. 1:48:46.439 --> 1:48:48.040 Like if you're gonna say that, he's gonna stank and 1:48:48.160 --> 1:48:50.000 like compare him to like Daniel Jones, like at least 1:48:50.040 --> 1:48:51.439 compare him to somebody that that. 1:48:51.439 --> 1:48:58.479 Has, Yeah, quarterbacks just don't have uh a good the 1:48:58.560 --> 1:49:00.479 schools don't have a good quarterback until that's just not 1:49:00.479 --> 1:49:02.240 the many good I mean, Alabama didn't have a good 1:49:02.320 --> 1:49:05.880 quarterback for like some people. They still don't. But I 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:09.120 mean I would, I would, But to Jalen Hurts, I 1:49:09.120 --> 1:49:11.640 think are are so Look, this isn't gonna sound like 1:49:11.720 --> 1:49:13.880 much of a difference as somebody who follows recruiting. I 1:49:14.040 --> 1:49:17.160 promise you this is a big difference. Uh, Mitch Trubisky 1:49:17.520 --> 1:49:21.120 and recruiting tables get it wrong all the time. Marvin 1:49:21.120 --> 1:49:24.000 Harrison Junior was the twenty first rank wide receiver recruit 1:49:24.040 --> 1:49:26.240 in his class. You can believe that, Yeah, I can't actually, 1:49:26.320 --> 1:49:29.719 but it really Yeah, I think that his game has 1:49:29.800 --> 1:49:33.200 has developed in terms of like you know, twenty first 1:49:33.520 --> 1:49:35.479 I wasn't even a top one h I don't think 1:49:35.520 --> 1:49:37.320 that he the top one hundred recruit. I could see 1:49:37.360 --> 1:49:39.599 that because he's not like blazing fast. All right, fair enough, 1:49:39.600 --> 1:49:42.080 But here here's my point, Like when you talk about 1:49:42.120 --> 1:49:44.559 the background in where they started from the foundation. Yeah, 1:49:44.600 --> 1:49:46.639 Mitch Trubisky was a four star recruit. He was seventy 1:49:46.720 --> 1:49:48.840 ninth ranked player in his class. Sam Howe was a 1:49:48.880 --> 1:49:51.120 four star recruit. He was one hundred and fourth Drake 1:49:51.160 --> 1:49:53.719 May was a five star recruit. He was twenty fourth. 1:49:54.000 --> 1:49:56.320 He was the fourth quarterback in a class that also 1:49:56.479 --> 1:49:59.840 included Quinn Eewers and Caleb William sam Hewart ended up 1:49:59.840 --> 1:50:02.600 being like a major bust, but two guys who were 1:50:02.680 --> 1:50:08.799 viewed as generational. So this is Drake May is starting 1:50:08.800 --> 1:50:10.760 from a different point than those other two guys, where 1:50:11.000 --> 1:50:14.360 there's more raw ability there. Now that doesn't mean that 1:50:15.120 --> 1:50:16.439 he doesn't have a long way to go. I think 1:50:16.439 --> 1:50:19.160 he needs to be coached quite a bit. But Sam 1:50:19.240 --> 1:50:22.639 Howe was never to your point, Mitchell Trubisky was never 1:50:22.920 --> 1:50:25.920 that kind of prospect. He never was. The Bears just 1:50:25.960 --> 1:50:28.680 saw It's like Zach Wilson. They just saw something that 1:50:28.960 --> 1:50:31.560 wasn't there. It was big, tall death. Sam Howe's a 1:50:31.560 --> 1:50:33.360 fourth round pick. I don't know why we're acting like 1:50:34.080 --> 1:50:36.479 remember after the Patriots played the Commanders, and everybody's trying 1:50:36.520 --> 1:50:37.880 to tell me, tell us that Sam Howe is like 1:50:37.880 --> 1:50:40.599 this great quarterback because he led the league in passing, 1:50:40.640 --> 1:50:43.120 which doesn't mean anything. The corpse of Ben Roethlisberger led 1:50:43.160 --> 1:50:45.120 the league in passing one of those last years in 1:50:45.120 --> 1:50:48.400 Pittsburg where could barely move. It just means a trailing 1:50:48.439 --> 1:50:50.280 in a lot of games late and you're just throwing 1:50:50.280 --> 1:50:53.559 a ball down the field. Drake May does not comp 1:50:54.479 --> 1:50:57.160 as a Mitchell Trubiskier. If you want to compare Mitchell 1:50:57.160 --> 1:50:59.200 Trubisky and Sam how you can do that. The only 1:50:59.240 --> 1:51:01.840 thing that you're doing when you compare Drake Made and 1:51:01.920 --> 1:51:03.519 minche t Bisky is saying that they both went to you, 1:51:03.560 --> 1:51:07.960 winc That's it. That's it right, and that's he's not 1:51:07.960 --> 1:51:09.880 actually not even from North Carolina. He's from Ohio. 1:51:10.040 --> 1:51:13.759 Okay, uh, but we gotta wrap so just really quickly, 1:51:13.880 --> 1:51:16.880 is there anybody from the combine? We we didn't talk 1:51:17.040 --> 1:51:18.840 much as much about the combiness and wanted to, but 1:51:19.080 --> 1:51:21.680 is there anybody from the combine that you're really looking at? 1:51:21.680 --> 1:51:24.040 Player? I mean, it's it's Michael Panics. Man, how can 1:51:24.120 --> 1:51:24.479 it not be? 1:51:24.640 --> 1:51:24.720 Like? 1:51:24.760 --> 1:51:26.720 Where is he at healthwise? And I want to see 1:51:26.760 --> 1:51:29.679 Joe Milton throw the ball? Yeah the eighty fight he said, 1:51:29.720 --> 1:51:30.840 he said he's gonna try to throw up a one 1:51:30.880 --> 1:51:32.040 hundred and twenty yards is combine? 1:51:32.080 --> 1:51:35.839 So god, all right, my my list? Yeah, obviously Panics 1:51:35.880 --> 1:51:38.280 is high up down there. I mentioned all the things 1:51:38.320 --> 1:51:40.479 about the receivers, like I think that's gonna be important 1:51:40.520 --> 1:51:44.640 watching those guys. This is my favorite thing about the combine. 1:51:44.720 --> 1:51:46.759 Yeah not no, no, okay, you're. 1:51:46.600 --> 1:51:49.640 Gonna talk about the shrimp. Nope, okay, but that is 1:51:49.720 --> 1:51:55.400 good arm length for the offensive. This is important, folks. 1:51:55.400 --> 1:51:57.559 Who's the guy this is important? It's the guy that's 1:51:57.600 --> 1:52:00.439 that's close in terms of the thresh Like, oh, yeah, 1:52:00.479 --> 1:52:04.760 the last year was scronsky. We kind of morgan did 1:52:04.800 --> 1:52:06.280 he measure it? The he did? 1:52:06.400 --> 1:52:09.639 But you know, I need to I want confirmation. At 1:52:09.680 --> 1:52:13.240 the Senior Bowl he was like thirty two and a half, 1:52:13.520 --> 1:52:16.760 which most teams so used to be thirty four. Yeah, 1:52:16.840 --> 1:52:19.840 now then Joe Thomas happened, so now it's now it's 1:52:19.880 --> 1:52:23.560 thirty three, right, So thirty three is really the threshold nowadays. 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:27.640 But I think that arm length and range at the 1:52:27.680 --> 1:52:30.160 tackle position and the type of scheme that a VP 1:52:30.400 --> 1:52:32.400 likes to run is going to matter a little bit 1:52:32.400 --> 1:52:34.680 more than it maybe did in the Downhills. 1:52:34.720 --> 1:52:35.680 Thirty two and seventy eighth. 1:52:35.840 --> 1:52:38.639 Okay, so so that's like, really that's to me, that's 1:52:38.800 --> 1:52:39.320 that's close. 1:52:39.400 --> 1:52:42.880 So his arms grew in the last I wouldn't be 1:52:42.920 --> 1:52:45.120 surprised because some of these guys go to like doctors 1:52:45.120 --> 1:52:47.960 to get that. Didn't didn't Kenny pick it? Do something? Yeah? 1:52:47.960 --> 1:52:49.760 He was like stretching his hand, Yeah, bigger hands and 1:52:49.800 --> 1:52:50.679 can you pick about. 1:52:50.439 --> 1:52:54.400 That's sad uh. I'm telling you arm length is gonna matter. 1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:57.120 H is he just like sleeping in bed holding in 1:52:57.160 --> 1:53:00.400 each Jordan Morgan's the one big one and I fought 1:53:00.400 --> 1:53:02.240 now from Washington's the other big one. 1:53:02.280 --> 1:53:07.320 He's he's somebody that the Fatanu. Yeah say, did I 1:53:07.320 --> 1:53:07.760 say wrong? 1:53:07.840 --> 1:53:11.479 He said, like fought now. I don't know Troy Fatanu, 1:53:11.960 --> 1:53:14.920 his measure his arms. I think most people are projecting 1:53:14.960 --> 1:53:17.479 to be in the thirty two's instead of the thirty threes. 1:53:17.520 --> 1:53:22.920 So Gord, those are factors. I don't necessarily subscribe to 1:53:22.960 --> 1:53:25.960 it because Dante Scarnekia didn't necessarily subscribe to it, and 1:53:26.000 --> 1:53:27.240 I I, you know. 1:53:27.280 --> 1:53:28.280 I'm not doubting that guy. 1:53:28.560 --> 1:53:31.479 Yeah, exactly, But I think a lot of offensive line 1:53:31.479 --> 1:53:34.000 coaches and a lot of scouts still do. If you're 1:53:34.040 --> 1:53:37.040 below that threshold, like Jordan Morgan at thirty two and seven, 1:53:37.120 --> 1:53:39.959 a's one eighth is not going to make the difference. 1:53:40.200 --> 1:53:43.280 But that's a shorter arm tackle. That's what it's Also, 1:53:45.000 --> 1:53:47.040 is he that much of a standout that you're willing 1:53:47.040 --> 1:53:48.760 to overlook it. Like if the guy is thirty two 1:53:48.760 --> 1:53:51.559 in charms but he's on tape just unbelievable, you may 1:53:51.600 --> 1:53:53.599 overlook it. Morgan didn't have a great week, I thought 1:53:53.640 --> 1:53:54.600 in Mobile. 1:53:54.720 --> 1:53:57.080 No, I think Morgan, and we don't have a ton 1:53:57.120 --> 1:53:59.680 of time. So Morgan, he's one of those guys that 1:53:59.840 --> 1:54:03.960 like hugs people with his hands instead of like getting 1:54:04.040 --> 1:54:08.720 into the chest. Like I hate watching tackles that your 1:54:08.720 --> 1:54:10.840 guy Patrick Paul had this going on a little bit too, 1:54:10.880 --> 1:54:13.360 but I think it can be corrected. Yeah, but the 1:54:13.400 --> 1:54:16.000 point is is just when you go like this and 1:54:16.040 --> 1:54:20.040 like you're you're not getting that inside hand placement consistently. 1:54:20.439 --> 1:54:23.519 It's really difficult in the NFL because guys, guys will 1:54:23.560 --> 1:54:26.120 just get into your chest and they will push you 1:54:26.160 --> 1:54:28.240 back into the quarterback. Like that's how you get bul 1:54:28.320 --> 1:54:30.360 rushes when you give up your chest. So you can't 1:54:30.360 --> 1:54:32.680 give up your chest. So I think that that's gonna 1:54:32.680 --> 1:54:34.240 be a thing for Jordan Morgan that he's going to 1:54:34.320 --> 1:54:36.920 have to fix. But yeah, measurables for all these tackles 1:54:37.000 --> 1:54:39.640 is gonna matter like nothing that happens on the fields 1:54:39.960 --> 1:54:41.800 in terms of the tackles matters, Like, I don't care 1:54:41.840 --> 1:54:44.400 what any tackle runs in the forty yard dash, but 1:54:44.440 --> 1:54:45.040 in terms of. 1:54:45.360 --> 1:54:47.160 Yeah or done with Jordan Davis, that was the only 1:54:47.200 --> 1:54:49.160 time I ever cared arm length the big deal for 1:54:49.320 --> 1:54:51.520 the tackle. Actually, i'll give you one I'm interested in. 1:54:52.360 --> 1:54:55.240 Devandre Sweat didn't measure in at the Senior Bowl. Eye. 1:54:55.320 --> 1:54:57.520 Well, he doesn't want to weigh He's gonna be like 1:54:57.520 --> 1:54:58.480 three hundred and eighty pounds. 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:00.200 I know, I want to see how big he is. No, 1:55:00.360 --> 1:55:03.040 but he's but he carries it. He's athletic. 1:55:03.160 --> 1:55:05.440 Yeah, he's somebody that you know, depending on how free 1:55:05.440 --> 1:55:08.960 agency goes, because they moved on from Lawrence guy, Like 1:55:09.000 --> 1:55:09.640 you know, you. 1:55:09.640 --> 1:55:11.360 Gotta take Deventre Sweat and top fifty. 1:55:11.440 --> 1:55:14.760 Yeah, he's gonna be high. Pick last thing really quickly. 1:55:15.960 --> 1:55:19.320 I think hands size for quarterbacks is gonna matter as well. Yeah, 1:55:19.360 --> 1:55:21.240 because we've already got a couple. 1:55:22.240 --> 1:55:22.960 I know. 1:55:23.000 --> 1:55:24.560 I made fun of you a couple of weeks ago 1:55:24.560 --> 1:55:26.200 about the whole run game thing when it comes to 1:55:26.200 --> 1:55:29.800 New England. But throwing the ball in New England and 1:55:29.840 --> 1:55:32.440 handling the football in New England with small hands is 1:55:32.480 --> 1:55:35.160 not going to be easy. So like that that that's 1:55:35.200 --> 1:55:35.720 gonna matter. 1:55:36.040 --> 1:55:38.920 You remember before how we said we thought the Patriots 1:55:39.200 --> 1:55:42.160 all everything they said yesterday kind of fit one guy. Yeah, 1:55:42.200 --> 1:55:44.320 you know who had the biggest hands in Senior Bowl Penix? 1:55:44.640 --> 1:55:46.960 He Well he's tied with Joe Milton. But yes, yeah, 1:55:47.280 --> 1:55:51.080 ten and three A's like big, massive hands, massive hands. 1:55:51.080 --> 1:55:52.400 You know you know what that means. No, look at 1:55:52.440 --> 1:55:54.040 him hold the football though it looks weird. 1:55:54.200 --> 1:55:56.440 Yeah, no hands. It's gonna like if you have a 1:55:56.440 --> 1:55:59.760 guy that has small hands. It's genuinely a concern about it. 1:55:59.800 --> 1:56:02.640 Work out in New England with small hands, not a joke. 1:56:02.840 --> 1:56:04.600 All Right, that's gonna do it for us here on 1:56:04.640 --> 1:56:08.080 Catch twenty two. We'll be back next week. I think 1:56:08.120 --> 1:56:10.480 we're in the afternoon because of the Combine schedule, but 1:56:10.560 --> 1:56:13.080 I'll be in Indianapolis. Alex will be here to host 1:56:13.160 --> 1:56:16.960 the show. Listening, and we'll talk combine fully next week. 1:56:17.000 --> 1:56:20.800 All combine hopefully, and stay tuned for Patriots Unfiltered that's 1:56:20.840 --> 1:56:22.880 coming up here in a few minutespe. 1:56:24.080 --> 1:56:27.960 Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, 1:56:28.000 --> 1:56:31.040 and everywhere else you listen. Like the show, please rate 1:56:31.080 --> 1:56:34.200 and review us listener comments and ratings help keep us 1:56:34.280 --> 1:56:37.440 high in the podcast rankings, so new listeners can find us. 1:56:37.600 --> 1:56:40.680 Be sure to check patriots dot com for more news 1:56:40.720 --> 1:56:42.040 and more podcasts.