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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it,

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Speaker 1: joined us always our bar Here is Evan Lazar and

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Speaker 1: Alex bars Its a really good chiefs team. More point

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Speaker 1: is Kyle Shanahan. You're not even blaming at the argument correctly?

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Speaker 1: I am no, you're not. I am up you're talking

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Speaker 1: about it doesn't matter? Uh? Do we get fine for that?

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Speaker 1: Morrel Harry in trouble, I didn't make anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I get fired up.

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Speaker 2: When I started swearing on the era, I think I

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Speaker 2: swear the most out of anybody. I think I have

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Speaker 2: the biggest potty mouth on Patriots dot Com radio.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's always just s h I T. Morrell.

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Speaker 1: It's not I it never it never. No, you've dropped

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Speaker 1: you dropped the F a couple of time. No, yeah

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Speaker 2: No, it never escalates beyond beyond that, and that in

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Speaker 2: my vocabulary, that's that's like not a swear, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's in that like middle ground of swear not swear.

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Speaker 2: All right, Anyways, Evan was our Alex Bartha The Patriots

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty two. Busy, busy week, busy couple weeks for

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Speaker 2: the off season coming up. Yesterday, we got a chance

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Speaker 2: to speak with the Patriots new coordinators. We also got

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Speaker 2: a chance to speak with the entire coaching staff in

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Speaker 2: a off the record'll lit'll get together what do you

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Speaker 2: call it, a little gathering after meet and greet. That's

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Speaker 2: what I'm looking for, meet and greet afterwards. So we

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Speaker 2: can't really get into too many details about what we

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Speaker 2: talked about with the coaches, but it was great to

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Speaker 2: get some FaceTime with them and obviously hear from the

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Speaker 2: coordinators in a more formal setting as well. And on

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Speaker 2: the one hand, Alex I, I I have to be fair.

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Speaker 2: Last week I came in here hot about how I

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Speaker 2: felt like there was really no direction from a full

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Speaker 2: ball perspective, not not from a culture building, a you know,

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Speaker 2: CEO perspective, but a football perspective.

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Speaker 1: So I have to be fair. Yesterday I got it.

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Speaker 2: I got a little bit more of what what we're

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Speaker 2: going for here in terms of building the team. But

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Speaker 2: with that said, I I also, you can't win me

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Speaker 2: over just because you you you know, gave me some

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Speaker 2: appetizers and got let me talk to this alex fan

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Speaker 2: falta against about uh, you know past protection, right like

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Speaker 2: that doesn't you got to win football games and you

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Speaker 2: got to put together a football team. I'm not that easy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm not that easy. Don't be don't just be, don't

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Speaker 2: just be nice to the media. I'm not that easy.

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Speaker 2: With that being said, uh, I do want to discuss

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Speaker 2: what was said yesterday and talk about some of the

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Speaker 2: things that I thought stood out to me about what

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Speaker 2: was said at the at the press conferences with the coaches,

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Speaker 2: and we are starting to talk about football, thank god,

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Speaker 2: thank god, we're starting to actually talk about some real

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Speaker 2: football here. But just in general, what were your impressions

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Speaker 2: of the day yesterday? And it certainly feels different. I

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Speaker 2: know nobody really cares about them being nicer to the media,

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Speaker 2: Like I know that a lot that you shouldn't care, frankly, right,

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it was, honestly,

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Speaker 2: it was a lot of fun to get to pick

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Speaker 2: those guys' brains and to talk football with the coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: And we saw Dante high Tower, which was really cool

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Speaker 2: to see him back in the building. So what were

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Speaker 2: your general impressions yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just in terms of the press conferences,

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Speaker 1: and again they didn't get into a ton of football

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Speaker 1: stuff there, but it's something we talked about last week.

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Speaker 1: I think flexibility is going to be a big part

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Speaker 1: have their core concepts, but they emphasized not necessarily being

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Speaker 1: married to doing things a certain direct, concrete way if

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Speaker 1: they can't do them. And you know, again from Alex

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Speaker 1: van Pelt yesterday, it's not so much about scheme. It's

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Speaker 1: about the players and putting those people in positions to succeed.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of different schemes out there. The best

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Speaker 1: ones put the best players in positions to be successfully. Again,

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Speaker 1: that's what I think, and it's something the Patriots were

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Speaker 1: not breaking news here when I say the Patriots won't

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Speaker 1: have the most talented roster in the league next year, right,

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Speaker 1: probably not even if they get there. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: ways to do that. That's a very umbrella answer. It's

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Speaker 1: I I know, I hear it by that. I'm not

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Speaker 2: So okay, And and this end to the point, I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of these guys, and not to cut

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Speaker 2: especially like an Alex van Pelt at Ben McAdoo, like

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Speaker 2: these guys have been married to their scheme for decades,

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Speaker 2: like this is not It's like kind of telling Bill

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Speaker 1: You're not picking up where he left off last week.

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Speaker 1: You're not starting over. There's a core concept there. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna tell Alex van Pelt to go run the

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Speaker 1: air raid, right. He's run offenses out of shotgun, He's

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Speaker 1: end heavy, like, there's different ways to execute that scheme.

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Speaker 1: sort of thing. Whether or not that translates is another question,

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Speaker 1: But I do think that understanding of hey, we're probably

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Speaker 1: better than bringing in a coach who says, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: that is again something that I think maybe fell off

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Speaker 1: of the most interesting parts about Van Pelt as a candidate,

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Speaker 1: There's the core concept still, and he's not gonna go out.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be a wide zone team. Yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 2: So they can't be drafting, you know. Frankly, Dwan Jones

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Speaker 2: I would rather them get with Elliott Wolf, who I

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Speaker 2: say we need these types of tight ends, we need

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Speaker 2: But they want to run the ball. Yeah, that's I

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Speaker 2: Cleveland was the two thousand and seven Patriots.

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Speaker 1: No, but that's exactly my point. Instead of just hey, this,

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Speaker 1: because it's what we do. We are going to adjust

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Speaker 1: that that just I would just rather be really good

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Speaker 2: I think the worst, the worst thing to do is

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Speaker 2: to say to Alex van Pelt. And I'm just using

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Speaker 2: prevalent right now, Like here's Jaden Daniels, figure it out,

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Speaker 2: like your scheme like running under center, like bootleg gun

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Speaker 2: with with Jaden Daniels. But asking him to all of

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Speaker 2: that's not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: I guess here's here's my point. What if Alex van

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Speaker 2: Is that's different than me and him see it differently,

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Speaker 2: which is like he's definitely right, way more experienced than

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Speaker 2: I am. So maybe that's the case, right, Like maybe

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Speaker 2: we see the players differently. But I want to get

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Speaker 2: This is what our scheme is. This is what we're

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Speaker 2: Using tight end because we talked, there should be like

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Speaker 1: So all, come on, allow you to talk about football guy.

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Speaker 1: I have one question about it. I'm just curious what

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Speaker 2: I want to stay, you know, kind of big picture

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Speaker 1: What I said the other week, right, Call him whatever

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Speaker 1: Be so in the past, I just pulled it up here.

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Speaker 2: I obviously agree that at the end of the day,

431
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Speaker 2: it's about the players, which is my whole point here

432
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 2: is that I think that if you give Alex van

433
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,199
Speaker 2: Pell good enough players that they're going to be a

434
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Speaker 2: decent offense. And I don't think it's going to be

435
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 2: him that's going to be holding them back it now

436
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 2: it comes down to their setup right now is going

437
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 2: to be Elliott Wolf and Girod Mayo are going to

438
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 2: be picking the players when they go to turn in

439
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 2: the card at three overall on April twenty eighth, it's

440
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 2: probably going to be one of those two guys that

441
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 2: has final say in the pick. I would lean probably

442
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: towards Elliott, but I don't know that for a fact.

443
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: And that look, all the heavy is the heads reported right,

444
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 2: I think Rapport reported that he has like he has

445
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 2: a final say, yeah, and heavy is the head that

446
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: wears the crown. Like that's great. I'm happy for Elliott

447
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: he's a good guy. I think he's got the experience.

448
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 2: I think it's it's a long time coming for him

449
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: to be in this role for a team, but now

450
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 2: do it. But right now now you're the guy, right

451
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 2: so whatever if success or fail, it's all gonna be

452
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: on you. I just I think it's that's, at the

453
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: end of the day, the biggest thing. And I thought

454
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: one of the better quotes I just was pulling up

455
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 2: quotes here from Gerard Mayo is it seems to me,

456
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 2: based off of his remarks yesterday that this has been

457
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 2: brewing behind the scenes that him and Elliott Wolf have

458
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: kind of mustered up a connection with one another, you know,

459
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 2: talking about he hit it off with Elliott Wolf the

460
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 2: first time that they met, when Elliot Wolf got here

461
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. And then this was I

462
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 2: think really a very good quote of you're a Patriots fan.

463
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 2: Because it's important again for the coaching staff and the

464
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 2: personnel department to be in unison and to have a

465
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: shared vision from a team wide perspective all the way

466
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 2: down to the individual players. Our philosophy's match. We want

467
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: to put good football players out there that are fast,

468
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: smart and really play for one another. He really sees

469
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: it the same way. So I think that those two guys,

470
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Speaker 2: at least currently, Let's see what happens if one of

471
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Speaker 2: them likes j Daniels and one of them likes Drake,

472
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Speaker 2: But at least currently those two guys have a shared vision.

473
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Speaker 2: And I think my bigger takeaway too was just that,

474
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: not to take anything away from Gerrod, but it really

475
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Speaker 2: feels like Elliot Wolf is the one that's pulling the

476
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Speaker 2: strings right now in terms even in terms of the

477
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Speaker 2: coaching staff. Like Alex Van Pepe got up there and said,

478
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Speaker 2: Elliott called me and I came in for the interview, right,

479
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Speaker 2: Like he just came.

480
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: Right out and said that, well that makes sense. Elliott

481
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: Wolf's had more experience in this than Trop Mayo has,

482
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Speaker 1: and and Drod even said like he leaned on people

483
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: through certain steps being new. So yeah, no, it's it's

484
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: very clearly Elliott Wolf's show. He's the GM.

485
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting to some of the schematic stuff, And this

486
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: is what I was really looking for, right, I mean,

487
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: this is what I was blew in the face last

488
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Speaker 2: week about, is that can we stop talking about you know,

489
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: bridges and silos and start talking about X's and No's

490
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: and Jimmy's and Joe's right. You know, that's right. That's

491
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Speaker 2: the big thing for me. And I thought that one

492
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Speaker 2: of the couple of things that Mayo said about Alex

493
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Speaker 2: van pel were really intriguing. He mentioned, you know, he

494
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Speaker 2: was asked what coaching against Alex van Pelt, which he

495
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: did twice over the last couple of years when the

496
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: Patriots have played the Browns. They killed the Browns both times,

497
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 2: so not exactly a great showing for the Browns offense,

498
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: but there were reasons behind that. One of those games,

499
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: Baker was hurt. They they had a bunch of guys

500
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: out to injury. I don't think Nick Chubb played in

501
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 2: that game the mac Jones' rookie year, and then the

502
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 2: next year was Jacobe Brissett, like it was that Rundown

503
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: Brown's offense. Anyways, the one thing I'd say about Van

504
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: Pelt is that he can make the same concept look

505
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: a bunch of different ways. That's always hard for us

506
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. So when he

507
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Speaker 2: said that, I immediately thought to myself, Okay, this is Mayo

508
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: telling us that that's the type of offense that he

509
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: wanted them to install. He didn't want to have an

510
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 2: offense that had a million different plays and was like

511
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: more like EP System style where it's just like a

512
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: million different things going on. He wanted to have an

513
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: offense that had, you know, a lot of the Shanahan McDaniel,

514
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: Sean McVay type of roots of this is all the

515
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 2: same thing until it's not. And the Patriots had elements

516
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: of that in their old offense, there's no doubt about that.

517
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: But the Patriots in their old offense really tried to

518
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: overwhelm you with information like we're gonna show different personnel groupings,

519
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: we're going to show different formations, we're gonna do a

520
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: bunch of different things, and you're just not going to

521
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: be able to get a beat on what we're doing.

522
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: This offense is going to be more married together in

523
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: the in the run game play action pass and that

524
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: sort of thing where it is wide zone, wide zone, bootleg,

525
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: where it is you know, they're they're gonna run a

526
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: lot of inside zone I think as well, you know,

527
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: and then half boots like those types of things. So

528
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: it was pretty clear even though you know, we knew

529
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: this already based off of the guys that they interviewed

530
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: that this was an offense that was intriguing to Girod.

531
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: Mayo was something's a little bit more simple, a little

532
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: bit more streamlined in terms of what they did in

533
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: terms of the birth of the playbook. And I do

534
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 2: think I think that, you know, just to gut, I

535
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: think what's optimistic about this too is I do think

536
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: that there's gonna be a lot more shared responsibility and

537
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: it's not gonna all be on the quarterback at the

538
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. Now, we talked a lot of yet

539
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: last week about the Super Bowl and how it has

540
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: to be a little bit of bolt and I think

541
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: it will be. But in terms of the run game

542
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: and in terms of most of the protection stuff, I

543
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: think that the center, and you have a really good

544
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: one and experienced one in David Andrews, is going to

545
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: start to take on a whole lot more of the

546
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: responsibility and that sort of respect as well. So in

547
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, I think that this was the

548
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: way that they wanted to go offensively. Now, again, it

549
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: just comes back to getting the players to run it.

550
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: But I think that it's a good sign that Mayo

551
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, this was a this was a difficult

552
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 2: offense to defend. Even though they didn't put up fifty

553
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: points against us, you know, we saw that this was

554
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: a difficult offense to defend.

555
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I'd agree with all that.

556
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: I think the big thing is how they're going to

557
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: handle the quarterback position in the transition. Again, it goes

558
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: back to it's a different challenge, but it's similar. Yeah,

559
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: I think rolling through five starting quarterbacks compared to having

560
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: a rookie, there's unique challenges with both. Like Joe Flacco,

561
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: although he's coming off the couch late in the season

562
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: as your fifth starting quarterback, there are things you don't

563
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: have to worry about with him, you are gonna have

564
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: to worry about it with rookie. But overall, Van pel

565
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: was in a situation last year where it moved him

566
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: to make things easier on the quarterback. And that's again,

567
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: that's not a dirty thing.

568
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: That's not especially when the Patriots are gonna have a

569
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: rookie most likely right and I don't know if he's

570
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: gonna start right away, but the whole program is going

571
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: to be around making Jaden Daniels or Drake may or

572
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix or whoever the best possible quarter right exactly.

573
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Speaker 1: And I mean I've done this rant before. Everbody knows

574
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: how I feel about this, like saying, oh, so you

575
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: have to make it easy for the quarterback because he sucks.

576
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: That's what it is. He sucks, so you have to baby, No,

577
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: that's what smart teams do. The Bills do it for

578
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, the Ravens do it for Lamar Jack. Well,

579
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: it just seems so silly Patrick Malmes for a long

580
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: time not.

581
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: To rag on like everything that they used to do,

582
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: because I don't want to get into that pattern, right

583
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: because it all, it all didn't stink, obviously, but it

584
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: just was always so weird to me that they had

585
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: David Andrews, who is as a veteran experienced of a

586
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: center and smart as a center as you could possibly

587
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: have in this league, and they gave the keys to

588
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: the entire alert system and protection system to two rookie quarterbacks,

589
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: essentially Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi. You know, Bailey's Appy's

590
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: making his first career start and he's out there making

591
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: checks and audibles at the line to scrimmage. When you

592
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: have a ten year veteran at center, you know that

593
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: that can handle these types of things that always interested

594
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: you know, was fascinating to me that they put that

595
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: much responsibility right away on the quarterbacks. I mean last

596
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: year Mac Jones. I know he's not a rookie anymore,

597
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: but he talked about it during training camp about how

598
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: much the offense puts on the quarterback.

599
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: And it was the third offense in three years. So

600
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: it's not that he was a rookie, but it's just again,

601
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: he's constantly learning and it's a lot to ingest. Yeah. Yeah,

602
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: And look, the quarterback position inherently has more going on

603
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: than any other position. I'm not going to sit here

604
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: and say take it all off the quarterbacks plate. That

605
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: doesn't work. The Niners tried it. What you no reaction? No, okay,

606
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm over. We're moving on what we're We're onto the

607
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: comp I'm not saying take it all off the quarterbacks plate.

608
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is there are inherently things the quarterback

609
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: is going to have to do that are our challenges

610
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: that are just unique to that position. Why put more

611
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: you have a young guy, right, why continue to pay

612
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: And it's it's one thing when you have Tom Brady

613
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: and he's been in the League for time. I feel

614
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: like that's what they got stuck on. It is like

615
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: they had Brady to do it, so they went that

616
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: direction because Brady probably wanted to go, But also Brady

617
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: wasn't doing that for twenty five years. Probably not. It

618
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: built to that. And if you want to tell me, like,

619
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: if they draft Drake May in ten years, Drake May's

620
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: making all the check like hopefully still here in ten years,

621
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: he's playing well, and he's making all the checks and

622
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: calls and audibles in ten years, Well, that makes a

623
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: lot more sense because that was probably a progression and

624
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: he built up to it year one. Not so much.

625
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: You want to ease these guys in. It's not a

626
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: bad thing to say, Yeah, we want to ease our

627
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback in. And it goes back to the flexibility

628
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: point two and all of that. But I do they're

629
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna have. They're gonna have.

630
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: The quarterback's going to have some sort of power to

631
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: be able to get to the line of scrimmage and

632
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: once the center sets the protection and sets the call,

633
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: and if the quarterback sees you know, this is what

634
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: we're talking about with the Super Bowl that I felt

635
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: like perty didn't do. If the quarterback sees a blitz

636
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: tel on one side of the formation and he says

637
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: to the center, hey, where are we going on this play?

638
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: And the center says, the mic is over here, right,

639
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: and he's saying, well, wait a second, where we need

640
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: to be blocked up on backside here, then I think

641
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: the quarterback is going to be able to have the

642
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: control at the line of scrimmage to flip it right,

643
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: to say, let's remike, let's flipper this, let's go over

644
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: here now instead. I think that that's going to have

645
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: that ability. But it's more gonna be Q seeing it

646
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: before the ball is snapped.

647
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Right.

648
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be the initial sort of stages of

649
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: the setup of the play. It's gonna be the last second, Oh,

650
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: you know, we have something funny going on over here.

651
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: Let's make sure we alert that, or let's make sure

652
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: we slide this way, or whatever the case may be,

653
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be able to do that. Whereas in

654
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: the Patriots system, the quarterback got to the line of scrimmage,

655
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: or I should say the Patriots old system got to

656
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and it was all on him

657
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: to do the setup and then to do the final

658
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: stages of it as well, So I like that they're

659
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: gonna move on from that. The other thing that I

660
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: like from what Mayo said about Van Pelton just about

661
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: their vision. You know, he was asked kind of more

662
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: about what how do you guys envision playing offense? What's

663
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: important to you on offense? He said, I'm expecting for

664
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: us and foremost a tough team, which you know every

665
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: coach says. After that, it really gets into smart players,

666
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: which I think is interesting because Van Pelt talked a

667
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: lot about smart, you know, intelligent football players as well,

668
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: not just at the quarterback position. He also mentioned it

669
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: at the offensive line too, that they they are gonna

670
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: have to have guys and con see things and are smart,

671
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: intelligent players. You don't have to be a genius, but

672
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: you have to be smart enough and really explosive players

673
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: and guys that play for one another. It was that simple.

674
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: It was that simple. Just that was so cookie cutter,

675
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: surface level. I know people are gonna think I'm crazy

676
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: for being like that checks the box that I was

677
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: arguing about last week.

678
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: But that's all I needed. That's all I needed.

679
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: Just tell me how you're your thirty thousand foot fit

680
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: feet view and vision of how you want to start

681
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: to build this offense.

682
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: That's all I need.

683
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: I don't need the I don't need you to tell

684
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: me the PowerPoint presentation of the entire offseason and which

685
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: players you like and which guys you're gonna target and

686
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: things like that would be great, but I don't need

687
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: you to tell me that. I just need you to say,

688
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: these are the types of football players that we want.

689
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: This is the type of mentality that we want to

690
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: have offensively. At least we got a little bit more

691
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: of that.

692
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: I felt like yesterday, Yeah, no, it started and they

693
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: set off the top. They weren't going to talk x'es

694
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: and o's, and then they did a little bit. So

695
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: surprised by that, but you got the the general basis

696
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: of it, I think for sure. Okay, a couple of

697
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: last things here. We obviously have to talk about Van

698
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: Pelt's answer about the quarterback right and what he looks

699
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: for in the quarterback. He said it a couple of

700
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: different ways, but I think the bigger things that he said,

701
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: you know this was well, let's use the first answer,

702
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: because that I think was more honest. That was the

703
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: more gut reaction. The second one, the question was kind

704
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: of phrased in a different way, so I don't.

705
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 2: I wrote this with both answers combined. So I are

706
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: talking about the decision making accuracy that answer.

707
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: Hang on, I have it. No, I'm talking about the

708
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: first one. Were talked about leadership, Yeah, the one that

709
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: you hate.

710
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: That's definitely ben was a theme of all the answers

711
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: he gave about quarterback.

712
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: It was leadership. Yeah.

713
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: So I'll just read this one decision making, accuracy, the

714
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: fundamentals and mechanics that the guy has sound, and a

715
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: big one again is leadership. The big piece for me

716
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: is leadership, toughness, accuracy, decision making. All four are important.

717
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: So he went on a lot about leadership, and here's

718
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: the other one. Smart, tough, and a leader. You put

719
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: him in charging those categories. Obviously, there's accuracy in the past, game, mobility,

720
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: decision making.

721
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot that goes into it. But at the

722
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, that role is so important to

723
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: the risk, not just the rest of the offense, but

724
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: the rest of the team. A guy that's a true

725
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: leader that can come in and really understand his teammates

726
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: and get the best out of those guys. And then

727
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: he said something a little later on. I'm trying to

728
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: find it. He said something about, like, the physical traits

729
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: are the physical attributes are obviously important, but if a

730
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: guy's a leader can come in and make good decisions

731
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: and throw the ball accurately, those are all pluses. So

732
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: we refers to like actioning decision making. His plus has

733
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: been on leadership. It kind of is like, well, if

734
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: you can't be a leader, I don't really care what

735
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: you can do elsewise.

736
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that leadership obviously action decision making. Exactly

737
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: what he said, And I think the last thing that

738
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: he said, and I think, you know, Ben McAdoo sort

739
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: of subscribes to this as well, is fundamentals. I think

740
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: fundamentals is going to be important to these coaches. I

741
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: think footwork, I think mechanics, and I look at some

742
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks in the draft, and my guy, Drake

743
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: may not necessarily the most mechanically sound right certainly more

744
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: of a project right now in terms of those types

745
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: of things. I'm not saying that they're not gonna that

746
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: that eliminates Drake may from the conversation. But we have

747
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: a show today. So the point, like, look, who do

748
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: we think it fits that mold?

749
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: There's no quarterback that checks every single one of those boxes.

750
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm writing this column later today. But

751
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: we can do we can do this fun little game here.

752
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: Take Caleb Williams out of it, because we think he's

753
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: going one one right, So we're not gonna include Caleb

754
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: Williams in this. We'll go through the traits that he

755
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: he included. Smart could mean a bunch of things, but

756
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: let's just whatever you would consider smart for a quarterback

757
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: reading a field. Yeah, give me a top three in

758
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: the draft in terms of smart smart Yeah.

759
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's tough, because I think it's it's hard. There's

760
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: so many different systems with these quarters.

761
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: However you want to qualify smart, I.

762
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: Would say in terms of the guy that I feel

763
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: like has the most thoughtfulness in terms of manipulation processing

764
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: that type of stuff.

765
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: This is what intrigues me about Drake May.

766
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: I think he's the best passer out of this group, honestly, Like,

767
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: not the best thrower necessarily, but the best passer where

768
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: I see him using I'm using pump fakes, Like he

769
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: knows that if he looks over there, it's going to

770
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: open the passing window you know over there, you know,

771
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: like those types of things. So I would say, in

772
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 2: terms of decision making, processing and sort of the quarterbacky.

773
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: Type of decision making, who's the best? All right? So smart?

774
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: You're going Drake May? Yeah, best decision maker, best decision maker?

775
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: I would probably have to give it to Jaden Daniels.

776
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean the guy through like seven turnover worthy plays

777
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: the entire year. I thought, you know, he he showed

778
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: a good ability to take care of the football. Wait,

779
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: wait back to we were gonna do top three to

780
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: put together? Who else is smart? You go? Drake May,

781
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: I go Drake May. I would say that Caleb is

782
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: probably a little bit take care of about it. They're

783
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: not kidding it, okay, Pennix Penex Okay, yeah, in that

784
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: Washington sis him Like, I don't know what it would

785
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: look like in a different event. You only can work

786
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: with what you you have to have. So I would say,

787
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: Drake May, Pennix, and then you can go outside the

788
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: top six too if you want.

789
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I would say Drake May, Penix, and

790
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: maybe bo Nicks, but not because I want bo Nicks,

791
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: just because I.

792
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, I mean, I think people see him

793
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: going with this.

794
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been here for seventeen years in college. I mean,

795
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: so like he's got.

796
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: Experience decision making, said Daniels.

797
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: Daniels, One, I would think, I mean, I think in

798
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: terms of pure decision making, like I do think Pennox

799
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: is pretty strong in that category. Two and uh, the

800
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: last one I would probably go, I said Jaden.

801
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: One, right, I would not put Drake. I will I

802
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: was going to jump over his table if you try

803
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: to put Drake is that is his biggest knock? Yeah,

804
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: like he is. He's He's the Carnival Red. Uh. Can

805
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: I pay I mean death guy. Can I pitch Michael Pratt? Yeah? Like, yeah,

806
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not drafting Michael Pratt. But but I mean,

807
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: just for the sake of this pure Yeah, okay, so

808
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: we have we have smarts, we have decision making. Toughness, Well,

809
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: Jayden's certainly tough, but maybe too tough, right, Like a

810
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: guy plays like Wiley. Kaya, I think there's a clear

811
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: cut number one here. Who's that? It's Michael Pannis.

812
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I guess that's fair just because of

813
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 2: it bounce backs from the injuries and stuff like that.

814
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly also the NASH Championship game with like a

815
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: broken rip. Yeah.

816
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: I think Drake may is up there too in terms

817
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: of just staring down the barrel and willingness to take

818
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: hits and things like that in the pocket poise, you

819
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: know that stuff. And I would put Jayden up there

820
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: just because he does take risks with his body like

821
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: he's not afraid, Like he doesn't play afraid. He plays

822
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit too confident, but he doesn't play afraid,

823
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: which I think is important.

824
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so now we're not gonna do leadership because we're

825
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: not in the room with these guys, and that's the

826
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: biggest But I think that, you know, just like hearing

827
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: some of the things that I was, you know, thinking

828
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: about this, right, hang on, we'll save that for last year.

829
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: Let's do accuracy. Most accurate, Yeah, I mean, I mean

830
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: Nick's completed like seventy something percent.

831
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nicks's Nix was accurate. I think, you know, these

832
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: guys all are accurate in different areas of the field,

833
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: and some guys have issues for weather, area for.

834
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: What they want to do. So put them in the

835
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: kind of throws they'll be making with Patriots.

836
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: Okay, most I think Daniels would probably be up there.

837
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: Daniel's number one.

838
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: Uh, He's his short accuracy is not very good, that's

839
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: the problem. But like his deep acker, he's probably the

840
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 2: best deep ball thrower.

841
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: In the class, him or Penix.

842
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: But in terms of timing accuracy, ball placement, I mean, look,

843
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: I the one thing I'll say in Penis applies to

844
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: the same thing as well. But when you're throwing the

845
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 2: Molik Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior, like those guys, everything's

846
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: going to be on there. They're gonna they're open all

847
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: the time. So it's kind of tough to say, but

848
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: I think Daniel's really accurate with it. I think Pennix

849
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: is obviously really accurate with especially the big time throws

850
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: down the field. Is that point accuracy? And then probably.

851
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: Bonnix Yeah, okay, so and then leadership.

852
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: So I've heard some really good things about Drake May's leadership. Okay,

853
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: I like guys, you know one of those guys he

854
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: walks into the room, gravitate towards him and like you know,

855
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: like Bill Partslls I think used to call him planet player. Yes, right,

856
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: does guys that have that gravitational poll that can get

857
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: the group together. I think he's up there. I think

858
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: Pennix is one one though, and that k oh yeah,

859
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: so i'd say Pennix Drake May two. I've heard that

860
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels has gotten better in this regard, but certainly

861
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: early on in his career like at Arizona was at

862
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: Staate Arizona State.

863
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: Did you watch that that series LS you put out

864
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: on but obviously it's from LSU. You did watch? Yeah,

865
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: so he's I think he's grown into it. I think

866
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: he has. So here's what you have and we can

867
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: kind of is this is an aggregate like I was

868
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: gonna say, we're gonna kind of aggregate it. Yeah, so

869
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: Drake May and we'll see it was the the highest

870
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: score we do. So d May has three plus and

871
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: now is at five. So we'll give Drake May a seven.

872
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: We'll give Michael Penneck unless you want to talk while

873
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: I add this up. Now.

874
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I know where you're going with this

875
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 2: on your in your report card.

876
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with you. I honestly, like I'm

877
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: writing this later, I just that's why I head you

878
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: do it.

879
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: But I just think the biggest thing that I came

880
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: away with from yesterday is is It's so fascinating. I

881
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 2: think this goes back, you know, not to make everything

882
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: about the forty nine ers, but it goes back to

883
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: so many of these quarterback decisions that we've seen over

884
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: the last couple of years around the league, where the

885
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: coaches want one thing and the personnel department. I'm not

886
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: saying that they're out of Divie because I don't know that,

887
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: but I'm just this happens all the time. The personnel

888
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: department looks at traits right like they look at arm strength, mobility,

889
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: accuracy down the field, toughness in the pocket, poise, and

890
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: then the coaching staff comes in and says, this guy's

891
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: foot is a mess, this guy's release is a mess,

892
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: Like I have to fix all of this.

893
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know we'll we're gonna have one more

894
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: because you talked about it. Mechanics.

895
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: Mechanics, Yeah, I think the cleaning. I think Jaden Daniels

896
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: is the cleanest thrower and this class. He's got some

897
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: footwork things that he's got to work out, but in

898
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: just in terms of delivery and upper body, he's got

899
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: a really nice compact release. I know you're gonna hate that.

900
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this, but JJ McCarthy is probably number

901
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: two on the list.

902
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: Well, they're not always consistent, but yeah, I.

903
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: Mean he has a really good ability to uh snap

904
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: the ball out of his hand and you know, really

905
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: connect his body together to generate velocity. Uh JJ McCarthy

906
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: number two. I can't put Pennis in there because he's

907
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 2: just he's lefty and it just I have you seen

908
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: have you watched it flip Okay, but it's like it's real,

909
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: so right, and like I just I wouldn't put him there,

910
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: And I can't put Drake may there either because he's

911
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: all over the place.

912
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes put Joe Milton there. Definitely Rattler Nicks, I would say, uh, Pratt,

913
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: it's probably Rattler. Michael Hartman, Rattler might.

914
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: Be up there, honestly, like just because you know, he

915
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: does a really good job of generating velocity from his

916
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: lower half.

917
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: So I would say rattler. Okay. So here's Evan Lazar's

918
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: aggregate scores for the best fits for what Alex Van

919
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: Pelt said he's looking for at quarterback. Yep, I'm gonna

920
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: go bottom to the top. So Michael Pratt Spencer Ratler

921
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: both scored a one. Good. You want a high higher

922
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: number better? Yeah. JJ McCarthy scored a two. Yeah, Bo

923
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: Nick scored a four. Okay, Drake May scored a seven. Yep,

924
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: jayde and Daniels scored a ten, and Michael Pennock scored

925
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: an eleven. Yeah.

926
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. I mean when you start

927
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: to really boil it down. But again, I think what

928
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: I was talking about when you were computing your your

929
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: report card over there is this, I think often is

930
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: the divide between the coaching staff and the front office.

931
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: The coaching staff wants a leader. They want a tough guy.

932
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: They want a fundamentally sound guy. They want to pro

933
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: ready quarterback. Frankly like, that's what they want. They want

934
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: an adult. They don't want to take a kid and

935
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 2: have to develop him because, let's face it, you don't

936
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: often get a lot of time in this league. So

937
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: if you have to take a guy and develop him

938
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: for two or three years, you might get fired by

939
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: the time the.

940
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Guy is ready to really so if you take leadership

941
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: out of it, yeah, then Jaydan Daniels actually has the

942
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: best score with a nine, then it's Michael Pennix with

943
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: an eight, then it's Drake May with a five. Yeah.

944
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: Look, Jayden Daniels is a really good prospect. I have

945
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: him in the same tier as Drake May. I don't

946
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: hate Jayden Daniels by any means. I think the only

947
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: difference is is that I think one is fit to

948
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: play under center and one isn't. And is that going

949
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: to be a deal breaker for AVP? Is that we

950
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: have to be able to play from under center. You're

951
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: not putting Jayden Daniels under center.

952
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: Now.

953
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: We talked about it in the past, and we'll get

954
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: into it a little bit more, and certainly if they

955
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: draft and we'll get into it a ton. But the

956
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: one thing that teams like Baltimore, teams like Miami I've

957
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: done with quarterbacks that aren't comfortable under center is they

958
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: run a lot more pistol because in the pistol they

959
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: can still have that action with the bootleg and turn

960
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: your back to the defense and fake a handoff, and

961
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: then the running back still has the option to go

962
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: either direction because he's not offset. So you have that

963
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: freedom to be able to do some of the same

964
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: mechanics of being under center, but you're doing it from

965
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 2: a more of a gun type of alignment. So maybe

966
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 2: that's the answer. Like if they draft Jaden Daniels, maybe

967
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: they run wide zone like Miami runs wide Zone, which

968
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: is from the gun in the pistol. Maybe they run,

969
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: you know, more of stuff that is a little bit

970
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: more like Baltimore from the pistol. But again that's the

971
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: fasibility that would be fun. Like, I'm all for that.

972
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: I think that the one thing about Jade and Daniels

973
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: that you have to ask on that list that Van

974
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: Pelt said is that he made such an emphasis on leadership.

975
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: And I don't know Jayden Daniels, so I don't want

976
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: to like. But based off the speculation, especially in Arizona.

977
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: State, and look, I wasn't there, but most people who

978
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: knock Daniel's leadership ability cite the Arizona State the locker

979
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: video where he announced he was transferring out of a

980
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: program that a lot of players transferred out of because

981
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: it was a mess. He announced he was transferring and

982
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: guys trashed his locker. Yeah, would you really do that

983
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: if you were happy somebody left. No, they were mad

984
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: he left because they knew he was good. They knew

985
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: they were going to win games with him. That is

986
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: not a knock on leadership. That is just being a

987
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: victim of a transfer portal and Herm Edwards running a

988
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: toxic program. There are some other things people will cite,

989
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not saying that he's I'm not saying he's

990
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: gonna go out there and be like the ultimate leader

991
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: of men. I'm not saying he's gonna go out there

992
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: and be somebody who is like, Oh, as soon as

993
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: he's done football, he is going to campaign for president.

994
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: But I I do think that that was five years ago,

995
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: much older now. He's been through a lot. Everybody at

996
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: LSU who seems to rave about him, So I don't

997
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: think it was as bad as people painted at Arizona State.

998
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was perfect, But I also think

999
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: he used his time at Arizona State as a learning

1000
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: experience and change. If you can get guys to gravitate

1001
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: towards even a Brian Kelly program, you're doing something right.

1002
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: He's he's a quiet leader, though, he's like a lead

1003
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 2: by example type of guy from what I understand.

1004
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: When you know who was like that by all accounts, mail.

1005
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's not a bad thing necessarily it's just

1006
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: that that's he's not going to be you know, you're

1007
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: not gonna necessarily see Jayden Daniels walking up, down and

1008
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: down the sideline yelling at everybody like Tom Brady used

1009
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: to do.

1010
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: But he kind of start doing that later and later

1011
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: in you know, last Leadership I think is such a

1012
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: silly thing because like there's no way to quantify leadership,

1013
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: and I think ultimately what it means to me is

1014
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: just do guys play for you, like when we look

1015
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: when you know the we're not going to necessarily talk

1016
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: a ton about the Dynasty because we have plenty of

1017
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, p and the Dynasty podcast covers that. But

1018
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: like the in the Dynasty, Danny A.

1019
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: Mondola had that like famous quote that that's getting or

1020
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: making the rounds of you know, we work for Bill,

1021
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: but we played for Tom. And you want a quarterback

1022
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 2: that we play for this everything that's what you want.

1023
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: Everything that we've heard out of LSU's guys played for

1024
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: jam Day. I agree. So I agree.

1025
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't put up the season that he

1026
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: just put up with and guy with guys not wrecking

1027
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: you very often.

1028
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: And look, there's leadership like when I do mine and

1029
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a version of the exercise we just

1030
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: did and that I'll be up tomorrow ninety eight five

1031
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: the sports sub dot Com. Nice plug. Thank you. I'm

1032
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: actually not going to include leadership because it is so

1033
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: like you're in the locker room. You don't Yeah, so

1034
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: you want to include it ended up skewing it. It

1035
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: put Pennix over Daniels when you include leadership when you don't,

1036
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: Daniels is the guy I will say to your results,

1037
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: and I texted you this last night. So this is

1038
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: something I believe before we ran through that Michael Pennix

1039
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: is more in play than we maybe thought he was.

1040
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: I think based on what they say, not necessarily at three.

1041
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna go take them at three,

1042
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: but the way Van Pelt talked about quarterbacks, in my mind,

1043
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: I kept going back to Michael Penix. There's no guy,

1044
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: there's no better leader in this draft than Michael Pennix.

1045
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: There's no better leader, to no guy who's tougher. Yeah

1046
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: he has. I mean, we've we talked about this last

1047
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: week in terms of scheme fit. There's you're a scheme fit.

1048
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: He might be the best and are his mechanics perfect. No,

1049
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they're as bad as a lot of

1050
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: people think they are. I think they're just thrown off

1051
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: by the lefty thing. I've compared him to Philip Rivers,

1052
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: whose mechanics obviously weren't perfect. But here's my thing with me.

1053
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: As long as you're throwing motion is consistent, exactly, it

1054
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: doesn't if you throw the ball the same. It's like

1055
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: a shooter in basketball, like you might everybody shoots a

1056
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: little bit differently. But as long as it's a consistent

1057
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: launch point, it's not gonna necessarily.

1058
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: So I look at it, and I'm not saying Penis

1059
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: is Aaron Rodgers. But the point is, you would never

1060
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: teach a quarterback you're starting with like a kid. Yeah,

1061
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: you would never teach. You would never on Aaron Rodgers

1062
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: and say throw the football like this. No, you'd put

1063
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: on Brady and say through the football. Aaron Rodgers one

1064
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: of the greatest quarterbacks of all time because it worked

1065
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: for him, because it was consistent. Yeah, I worked with

1066
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: somebody ones who in scouting kickers, and it's it's similar.

1067
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: You can roll your eyes, it's similar to the mechanics.

1068
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: What he would do is he would take ten kicks

1069
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: and he'd overlay them on a video on transparency, and

1070
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: it would look like if the kicker was good, it

1071
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: would look like one kick. You wouldn't see deviation. Now,

1072
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks a little different because there are times where you're

1073
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: gonna change your arm angle or you're gonna try to

1074
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: throw off platform. But they're not the prettiest mechanics. But

1075
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: it's the same thing every time. It's the same He's

1076
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: throwing the ball the same way. And if your motions

1077
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: repeatable and you're having success with it. If it's not

1078
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: the prettiest thing, if you're making it work, you're making

1079
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: it work. And that is what i'd say for people.

1080
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: Again, like some of it's because they're both lefties, but like,

1081
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: like Tua doesn't have the prettiest throwing mind.

1082
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: Well, remember when they flipped the video for Tua and

1083
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: everybody was like, what the hell's going on? Why does

1084
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: this guy look like a real quarterback? Again? Watch Michael

1085
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: Pennock's flip.

1086
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: In general, though I do agree with you that Penix

1087
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 2: checks a lot of the boxes that the coaching staff

1088
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: yesterday was talking about. Is that gonna align with the

1089
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: personnel department, is Elliot Wolf can override everybody because of talent,

1090
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: Like that's a different conversation, but certainly experience I think

1091
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: goes hand in hand with leadership as well toughness, accuracy,

1092
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: decision making. Penix checks a lot of those boxes. But

1093
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: we all know that the biggest week of Mike Michael

1094
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: Pennox's life is next week in Indianapolis, when they he.

1095
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Doesn't really have to do anything except sable. Yeah.

1096
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: I that is literally a difference for Michael Penix and

1097
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: millions of dollars of what those doctors tell teams about

1098
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: his shoulders and about his knee. So it's gonna be

1099
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: fascinating to see the reporting that comes out of the combine.

1100
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 2: So on that note, I just retweeted the Michael Pennock's

1101
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: right handed video, so please watch that. Is an Is

1102
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: there anything else? I mean, Troy Brown being back on

1103
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: the staff, I guess is notable. We don't necessarily know

1104
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: his role. Yeah, it's hard to talk about, so it's

1105
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: hard to talk about, but those were the main.

1106
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: Head I had one other question about the stat Yeah,

1107
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: so they bring Bob Bicknell and Tyler Hughes to tight

1108
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: ends and wide receivers coaches, respectively. Hugh's been here, Bicknall's

1109
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: been coaching football so long. He coached it PU and

1110
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: he coached in NFL Europe. So you know, I'm not

1111
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: saying those are great things, but that's how long BU

1112
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: hasn't had a football program and how long an NFL

1113
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: Europe point away. How long ago? So Bignell played tight

1114
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: end college. He started off as a tight ends coach.

1115
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: He coached titands a little bit, but he's spent the

1116
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: better part of the last decade and a half coaching

1117
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: wide receivers, and he's coached receivers on teams that had

1118
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: good receivers, the Eagles in the mid twenty tens. He's

1119
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: with the Niners for a year. Hughes was a general

1120
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: assistant here, and he was a general assistant in Washington.

1121
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously, I Washington had good receivers, and

1122
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: I think he worked with receivers here his first time around.

1123
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: But Bicknell, to me, is what I wanted them to

1124
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: hire in a wide receivers coach. Yeah, and he's coaching

1125
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: tight end. And it's something against Tyler Hughes. It's just

1126
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: I look at Bicknell's resume, he hasn't coached tight ends

1127
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: in thirteen years.

1128
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: Well, so I think that the tight end position coach

1129
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: is a really important one on your staff because they

1130
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: have their hands in so many different things. So I

1131
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: think that experience at that spot with multiple positions can

1132
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 2: actually be really helpful because you are in the run

1133
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: in the past game meetings, like you have to coach

1134
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: your guys up on the run elements and the pass

1135
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 2: elements equally at the tight end position, where as like

1136
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: receivers for example, Yeah, I like blocking with receivers is

1137
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: a thing, but it's not the most important thing. So

1138
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: I think in that element, it's good that bick Nell's

1139
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: had experience with various positions. I think it's important because

1140
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: he's going to have a hand in both things. In

1141
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: terms of the receivers coaches. The way that I see

1142
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: Tyler Hughes and Taekwan Underwood, I think Tyler Hughes is

1143
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: going to be more of game plan x's and o's

1144
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: opponent studying this is what we're gonna do right in

1145
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: this week, and this is how we're gonna go forward.

1146
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: Taekwon Underwood, I think what they're hoping is gonna you know,

1147
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: you know, my guy. The footworking is like he's gonna

1148
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 2: be their own footwork.

1149
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: I like the Taekwon Underwood high I really do.

1150
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, there's a lot of really

1151
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: good UH receiver coaches around the league, and I know

1152
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: it hasn't necessarily worked out with Troy Brown, but in

1153
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: general that obviously played, you know, like a Keenan McCardell,

1154
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 2: Shan Jefferson, like those types of guys, and you don't

1155
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: necessarily I know, Taekwon Underwood wasn't Randy Moss, Like, you

1156
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: don't necessarily need to be a great player to be

1157
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: a great coach. I just look at him, and you know,

1158
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be the guy that's out there

1159
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: early drilling releases and drilling top of the route stuff

1160
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: and things that are gonna be more technique based with

1161
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: these guys, I think when they if they draft the guy,

1162
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: which they should, but whenever they draft the guy, you know,

1163
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: let's say the first day that that Roman Wilson's on

1164
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: on the property, I think the guy that he's gonna

1165
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: be working with a lot is Taekwon Underwood. In terms

1166
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 2: of doing the actual movement skill type stuff of playing

1167
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: the receiver position, and Tyler Hughes is going to be

1168
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: more of a guy that's going to be handling, you know,

1169
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: helping Van Pelton mcado with those guys with game plan

1170
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: and x's and o's. That's just my hunch, just based

1171
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 2: off of their backgrounds and expertise. But I think Bicknell,

1172
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: I think a lot of these guys, you know, Bicknell mcado,

1173
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of these guys responsibilities is going

1174
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 2: to be helping to run the offense from a more

1175
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: big picture standpoint and a more a game plan oriented standpoint,

1176
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: because I don't think Gerard Mayo is gonna is going

1177
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: to take on a ton of responsibility in that regard. Offensively,

1178
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be completely Van Pelton

1179
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: mcadow's show on the offensive side of the mall. I

1180
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: I don't think Mayo is going to have a ton

1181
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: of hand in it, which I think is good. Yeah,

1182
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: I think what's you know. The other thing before we

1183
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: started to open the phone lines and talk a little

1184
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 2: bit about the combine as well, the other thing I

1185
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: thought was good is that he's it sounds like DeMarcus

1186
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: Covington's going to call the defense, so you have a

1187
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: first time head coach who's one of the youngest head

1188
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: coaches in the NFL, and they are trying to manage

1189
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: his responsibilities and manage what's on his plate right out

1190
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: of the gate, which I think is a good thing.

1191
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 2: If he had been it had been more than fair

1192
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: for him to say, I'm a defensive guy. This is

1193
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: my I'm calling the defense, right Demiko ryantce in Houston

1194
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: calling the defense. But I think he wants to take

1195
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 2: more of that CEO approach, probably something he learned from Bill,

1196
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: and try to be a little bit more of an overseer.

1197
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: And I think that's good for a first time head coach.

1198
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: I think it's hard to be in your play sheet

1199
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: and then also deal with all the other things that

1200
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator or that the head coach, excuse me,

1201
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 2: he needs to deal with. So I like the fact

1202
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: that he's handing off some of those responsibilities. You know,

1203
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: obviously Van Pelt was going to call the offense and

1204
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: nobody else would, But that DeMarcus Covington's going to call

1205
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: the defense, I thought is a good thing as well. Yeah,

1206
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: all right, take some of these phone calls. You know,

1207
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: some people have been waiting on for a while we

1208
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: appreciated Kendall is in North Carolina.

1209
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: What's up, Kendall? How you doing.

1210
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 4: I heard y'all talking the first opening segment about this

1211
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 4: game about Van Pelt, what receivers in this draft fit

1212
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 4: his scheme? And my second question is I had a

1213
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 4: chance to look at the Arizona wide receiver Jacob cow

1214
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 4: I believe, and how would he fit with the Patriots?

1215
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for the call, Kendall.

1216
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacob Caron is at the Senior Bowl, right, I

1217
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: remember seeing him again every week now. I think the

1218
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: first question what receivers fit?

1219
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 5: Uh.

1220
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: I don't think that it's necessarily such a receiver heavy

1221
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: scheme that one receiver wouldn't fit versus another receiver. I

1222
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: do think that the one thing that I'm hoping and

1223
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: that they're going to get to is, you know, I

1224
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: think separation is a little bit of a buzzword around here.

1225
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that they love that. They were

1226
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: filled with Devonte Parkers and Juju Smith Schusters and guys

1227
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: that graded out really poorly in terms of top of

1228
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: the route separation. So I'm hoping that they're going to

1229
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: be a little bit more like that, you know, guys

1230
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: like in Cleveland, Amari Cooper, one of the best route

1231
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: runners and separators in the NFL. Guy like Elijah Moore,

1232
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: who's a speedster, you know, speed slot, kind of like

1233
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: a Pop Douglas. I think that those are the types

1234
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: of guys that they're gonna look at in this draft.

1235
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: But I would I would say that we have to

1236
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: talk about it, like blocking is going to be somewhat

1237
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: important in this scheme. They're going to run the ball

1238
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: a lot, and they're gonna have to be able to

1239
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: have guys that block. You know, teams like the Rams

1240
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: San Francisco, those teams have great blockers. Now Miami is

1241
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: built with speed demons. They don't have great blockers and

1242
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: they can still run the ball. So it doesn't have

1243
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: to be that way. But that's how I see the

1244
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: receiver position. I'm not necessarily thinking that they are going

1245
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: to have a certain type of receiver that they say like,

1246
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: we need receivers that play this way, because I think

1247
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: the scheme is a little bit less dependent on guys

1248
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: on the outside and a little bit more dependent on

1249
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: obviously the marriage or the run game in the past game,

1250
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: but also you know, tight end running back things like that.

1251
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they it's more about overlapped than scheme. And that

1252
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: goes to a guy like Jacob Cowing. You're not gonna

1253
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: have Jacob Cowing and Pop Douglas on the field at

1254
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: the same time. Yeah, it's a good point. And so

1255
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: drafting a guy like like getting X get a true Z. Yeah,

1256
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: and there there are multiple ways you can go about that. Yeah,

1257
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: calling for me, he's really small. Yeah, I think he

1258
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: checked in at like one sixty something at the Senior Bowl.

1259
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: So a guy that's small, who And I I mean,

1260
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: I like Colling. I don't want to like say he's

1261
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: he's an undrafted player, but.

1262
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: He's an interesting you know, same Pop Douglas got drafted

1263
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: in the sixth round. But I thought Pop Douglas.

1264
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: Well, I think just coming from Arizona. Yeah, I think

1265
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: probably helps Cawen, like he played in better commense. Yeah,

1266
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: five eight, one sixty five. I just think a guy

1267
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: that's that's like two two at well size, a guy

1268
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: that's that small in a role they already have filled, Yeah,

1269
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense for them. Yeah. Where

1270
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to take him, which is probably early

1271
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: on day three a Senior Bowl.

1272
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it was great for him, and Pop

1273
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: Douglas had a great Shrine Bowl. Yeah, and so I

1274
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: think that those are two things that are working against

1275
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 2: Cowen is his size and his performance at the Senior

1276
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: Bowl where his size showed up. It was he was

1277
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: having issues, you know, getting off physical coverage and stuff

1278
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: like that.

1279
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean, a guy at that size the draw with

1280
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: him as Wes, he catches everything, and he had some

1281
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Speaker 1: issues with drops. Yeah, yeah, all right. Devon is in Florida.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Devin?

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Speaker 6: Hey, how you guys doing today?

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Speaker 1: Good? Thanks?

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Speaker 6: All right? So I had two questions. My first question was, Von, sorry,

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Speaker 6: it's all good if you guys, if the Patriots end

1287
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Speaker 6: up missing out on Drake Man they end up drafting

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Speaker 6: Jaden Daniels, do you feel like, uh, his ability to

1289
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 6: throw into the intermediate middle part of the field will

1290
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Speaker 6: be a problem developing. And my second question was, how

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Speaker 6: would you feel if the Patriots found a way to

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Speaker 6: pry Brandon?

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Speaker 7: I you Gotto's difference?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good, two good questions. I think the biggest thing

1295
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Speaker 2: with Jayden Daniels that I see on film with him

1296
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Speaker 2: is he passes up some things in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the field that are maybe like the second and third

1298
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: read in the progression to run. And he's such a

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Speaker 2: dynamic runner that I've put up plays before on Twitter

1300
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: where he might pass up a dig route and then

1301
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: he runs for forty five yards and nobody cares right like,

1302
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: you're just like all right whatever. But the problem is

1303
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: is that you know, twofold one in the NFL, those

1304
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: scramble yards are gonna be less like You're gonna get

1305
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: caught faster in the NFL than you are in college.

1306
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: So the forty five yard run in the NFL might

1307
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: only be a fifteen yard run, right, you know, follow me.

1308
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: And then the second thing is is when you run

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Speaker 2: that much, the body blows start to add up.

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Speaker 1: You take a beat it.

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Speaker 2: And I my biggest concern with Jaden Daniels as a

1312
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: prospect is that is he going to be able to

1313
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: get there as a passer where he can beat you

1314
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: simply from the pocket with his arm. And this was

1315
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 2: the issue with Justin Fields, like he hasn't gotten there yet.

1316
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: Justin Fields is uber talented, good runner, strong arm probably

1317
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: has a better arm and more arm talent than Jaden

1318
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: Daniels does, but he has not been able to take

1319
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: that next step as a pocket passer where his running

1320
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 2: ability is like an extra, It's like a sprinkle on top.

1321
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson got there. Lamar Jackson's running ability is his superpower,

1322
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: but he can also beat you from the pocket. That's

1323
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: why is the MVP of the league. Those are the

1324
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: two comparisons I have for Jaden Daniels. That's his floor

1325
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 2: and his ceiling. So are they going to be able

1326
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: to develop a guy like Jaden Daniels into that next

1327
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: phase of his passing ability is going to determine whether

1328
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: or not he can be a consistently good thrower, and

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01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: that will determine everything with his career, because I don't

1330
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 2: think he's going to make it in a ten year

1331
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: fifteen year career playing the way he does now because

1332
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: it not not just because he runs so much, but

1333
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: also how he runs like he cannot like he I

1334
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: mentioned Wiley Coyote earlier, like he he runs like like

1335
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: a crazy person, Like he runs like he's Josh Allen,

1336
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 2: but he's not Josh Allen's size, right, So those body

1337
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: blows are going to catch up to him, and that's

1338
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 2: where the passing comes from. I think the other thing

1339
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: that that gives me pause about Jayden Daniels too. I'm

1340
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 2: interested to hear your your thoughts on this. So many

1341
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: much of his production came from throwing fade routes to

1342
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas, and those two guys are

1343
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Speaker 2: going to get drafted in the probably top twenty, top

1344
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: twenty five picks. Milik Daghbors might be a top five

1345
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: pick in this draft, so he's not going to be

1346
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,479
Speaker 2: able to replicate that necessarily. Now, Joe Burrow didn't matter,

1347
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 2: right like Jamar Chase justin Jefferson, he had all world

1348
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 2: receivers and he got to the NFL and he got well,

1349
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: well yeah, but you know what I'm saying, Like it

1350
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: mostly didn't matter, but some guys that does matter for

1351
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: I think, you know, there's so many triggering qualities from

1352
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: f Jaden Daniels, but it's our job to tell you

1353
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: both sides at the coin with every single player, right,

1354
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: and I think that those are the two things that

1355
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: hold me back the most with him.

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Speaker 1: I think I've said this before. If you're gonna knock

1357
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks for having an outstanding surrounding cast, then you're taking

1358
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: Drake may or you're not taking a quarterback that's just

1359
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: that's in the nil are And I even think I've

1360
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 1: kind of come around on this take, and this will

1361
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: become for the people who don't really follow college football,

1362
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: this will become a lot clearer next year. Yeah, Drake

1363
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: May's supporting cast was not nearly as bad as we've

1364
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: made it out to be. They're just all underclassmens, so

1365
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: they're not in the draft this year, guys like Omar

1366
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: and Hampton. The running back Bryson.

1367
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Speaker 2: To be fair to him, though it's nowhere near what

1368
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 2: it's nowhere Well Daniels and Pennex were playing.

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01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: Wait till you watch Bryson nesbit next year. He's not

1370
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: Aroma Dune, a league name. But here's my point, Like,

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: if you're gonna fault the quarterback for the surrounding cast,

1372
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: you're not gonna find it's not so much faulting him

1373
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: for the supporting cast. It's just the type of throws

1374
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: that he was, you know, like making well. But that's

1375
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: what I would say is a deep ball works when

1376
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: Milk Neighbors is five yards behind him, So then go

1377
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: out and get a deep ball receiver. Like that's what

1378
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: you do for your young quarterback. You build around him. Again,

1379
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: that's not a dirty thing. You don't go out and

1380
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: surround Jane Daniels to slot receivers. Yeah, and that's not

1381
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: saying you can't have a slot receiver, but you don't

1382
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: go out and surround with guys. You don't run routes

1383
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: past fifteen yards. You don't run anything past a five route.

1384
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: I agree with you. So it's I mean, it's a

1385
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: fair question. Yeah, like all right, but but I think

1386
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: you're phrasing it wrong. It's not what's gonna happen when

1387
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't have Milik Neighbors to throw fade balls to.

1388
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: It's who do we get Jaydan Daniels to throw the

1389
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: fade ball to? Because that's one of his best throws. Yeah,

1390
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: that's how and that could be that is his best throw.

1391
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: Right the heath drops more dimes on So I would

1392
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: say back to you, dis are his bread and butter.

1393
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: So I would say back to you, I mean, we'll

1394
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: take Harrison out because you're in in Neighbors and Odoonsay

1395
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: and Thomas obviously, but right free agency in the draft,

1396
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: who are the best fade receivers? I know? Was it

1397
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: aighty Mitchell we were talking about last week Adie Mitchell's

1398
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: are really good. I think Adie Mitchell is going to

1399
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: be more like a possession receiver. And who was it

1400
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: you were talking? You said about somebody who were like,

1401
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: he sells every route as a fade route. Oh, probably

1402
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: a dude's say he's really okay, So maybe it wasn't

1403
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: like and Ady Mitchell I think is good at that too.

1404
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: Who's the best fade receiver in the draft or give

1405
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: me the best fade receiver in the draft, Give me

1406
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: the best fade receiver in free agency, best fade receiver

1407
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: in the draft outside outside of like the guys they

1408
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: could get if they get Jane Daniels Xavier Worthy. Okay,

1409
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: I would say, but he.

1410
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot of overlap there with Pop Douglas certainly,

1411
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 2: but in terms of what about like Jam Polk, Yeah,

1412
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: but Jalen Polk does it with more like skill at

1413
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: the catch point. You know, he's not like necessarily fast

1414
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: enough to create a ton of vertical separation, but he's

1415
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,479
Speaker 2: he's got the strongest hands, some of the strongest hands

1416
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 2: in this class. I hate I don't want to like

1417
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: be hyper bowl. It can be like everybody is so great,

1418
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: but he is really really strong hands and great at

1419
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 2: the catch point. So he wins more like that in

1420
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: in terms. But I'm not saying it's totally contested, but

1421
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: it's like more through traffic.

1422
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: All right, how about in free agency? That's a good question.

1423
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: Because this is not really like a it's in terms

1424
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: of that skill set, it's not really a fab class

1425
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley. Calvin Ridley's definitely got the speed to be

1426
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 2: that type of guy, but he I always think of

1427
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley as more like an inbreaker guy like crossers,

1428
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: dig routes, things like that. The other guy I would

1429
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,959
Speaker 2: just mention in the draft is Troy Franklin just because

1430
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: of his speed. He's more of like an outside the

1431
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: numbers fade receiver than the slot fade. But I don't

1432
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: see why he couldn't run a slot fade again. And

1433
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: this is this is what we talked about earlier, having

1434
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: a plan. If you're going to draft Jaydan Daniels, you

1435
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: identify it and.

1436
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: You see it's a vertical system. For sure, you're going

1437
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: to push the ball down, but but you identify if

1438
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: you're Van Pelton, I mean, I don't you're better at

1439
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: this than me? Like I don't were they overly vertical

1440
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: heavy in Cleveland or.

1441
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when they transition to Flacco obviously, but in general,

1442
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: that is a it's a vertical passing system based off

1443
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: of the run game. So so they're not trying to

1444
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 2: not to cut you off, but they're not trying to

1445
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: like pull a guard to get a linebacker to step

1446
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: up so that they can throw a crossing route at

1447
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: the second level. They're trying to get like single high safety,

1448
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: draw everybody in, and then throw a post fit high

1449
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: play Madden.

1450
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: So then yeah, so this is what we talked about

1451
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: the plane. If you're gonna draft Jan Daniels, this is

1452
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: his best throw, you identify the receivers that are best

1453
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: on the other end of that, and you go out

1454
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: and get them. Yeah, that that would be my response

1455
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: to that. And they're not gonna be Thelik Neighbors and

1456
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: brown House, and maybe you don't get them this year.

1457
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: You know who's really great on the fade balls is

1458
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: Luthor Burden. I don't know if you're sick of me

1459
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: talking about this guy yet or if you remember who

1460
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: he is.

1461
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think of a free agency because

1462
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 2: free agency is you know, I mentioned Ridley's like a

1463
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 2: pure z to me, Like he's a guy that is

1464
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: gonna really want me to just give you the ranking

1465
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 2: goes in the middle of the field.

1466
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, hang on, I gotta find a wide receiver here

1467
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: that tught my. Let's have Chris Jones. I don't think

1468
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: you want Chris Jones running fades. Probably could T Higgins

1469
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: more of a jump. I mean, yeah, you could make

1470
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: T Higgins work with jayde Daniels, but it all looks different. Yeah,

1471
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman, No, no, yeah, he's not Mike Evans.

1472
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 2: I mean in his own way, but again, more like

1473
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: T Higgins. Hollywood Brown, Yeah, Hollywood Brown definitely could. I

1474
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: I like Hollywood Brown more than most people because you know,

1475
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: I like the speed guys. But playing through contact is

1476
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: obviously he's he's not tough, Like that's not enough to.

1477
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: Go out to get a true big X to take that.

1478
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: I would say that, Yeah, I mean I I would.

1479
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley talked to it drops off man. Darnell Mooney, Yeah,

1480
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: Darnhill Mooney is honestly pretty good at that. Like that's

1481
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: probably the one thing that Darnell Mooney does at like

1482
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: a decently high level. So like I know people want

1483
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: more than Darnell Mooney, but I'm just saying, like, you

1484
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: bring him up and so. But but this is what

1485
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: I'm talking about earlier with the with where Van Pelt's

1486
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: talking about with maximizing players. I'm not saying Darnell Mooney

1487
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: is your big addition. Right. Maybe you add a Calvin Ridley, right, yeah,

1488
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: but they don't know. Mooney is just like Pop Douglas

1489
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: with a little bit more size. But you you add

1490
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney maybe, and I mean PFF estimates him one year,

1491
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 1: nine million dollars. Easy. Yeah, you add Darnell Mooney is

1492
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: like your second or third wide receiver edition. And if

1493
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: you know you're drafting Jane Daniels and you say, all right,

1494
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna play fifty some percent of the time,

1495
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: but we're gonna just have him running a bunch of vades, Yeah,

1496
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: because that's a throw.

1497
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: I kind of like Darnell Mooney. Like Darnell Mooney reminds

1498
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: me of like a poor man's Tyler lock it to

1499
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 2: be one guy good at you know, vertical slot.

1500
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if he still comments and he just

1501
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: comments about other stuff because I don't remember what like

1502
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: his username was, But do you remember that guy is

1503
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: like around this time last year who used to comment

1504
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: on every one of our shows that Darnell Mooney was like, Oh,

1505
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: they hitting Tyreek Hill or whatever. Yeah, and was like, Oh,

1506
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: if they get Darnell Mooney, they have a wide receiver one.

1507
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: So shout out to that guy if he still listens. Uh,

1508
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis no outside vertical receiver obviously, Yeah, Odell, I'm

1509
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: just gonna for other reasons, I'm going to pass on. Yeah,

1510
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd, Curtis Samuel who I know you like. But actually,

1511
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: and then I get to Kendrick bort how about the

1512
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: guys here as fade receivers.

1513
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, you know, in terms of separation, Pop is

1514
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: obviously the best one. Yeah, He's definitely the guy that

1515
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 2: can do that. I mean, I've I've given up on Taekwon.

1516
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: I've hyped Taekwon enough and gotten burned by it. So

1517
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna expect anything out of Taekwon Thorton. But

1518
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: obviously his body type, his speed, It's it's not in

1519
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 2: terms of like what he does well. He obviously has

1520
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: that in his bag of getting vertical. That's the only

1521
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 2: thing he does well, so like, I.

1522
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: Mean, there's that. Yeah, the other guys though, you know

1523
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: not remember he had his breakout game against the Browns,

1524
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: his breakout game two touchdowns. But yeah, okay, so you

1525
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: have to go into the draft. I'm looking at an

1526
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: exerous class. Now, so many good fade runners in here.

1527
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: Nobody you want to feel, you want to feel old?

1528
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 1: Who moves in Muhammed the third? Oh that's crazy, Yeah,

1529
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: I would say that.

1530
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: You know, I love Xavier I have him ranked pretty high,

1531
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 2: probably higher than most people. I think he's my wide

1532
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: receiver six in this draft, behind you know, the first

1533
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 2: the top four, Thomas being the fourth guy in Troy Franklin,

1534
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 2: who I'm probably maybe a little bit higher on than

1535
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: people too. I really like Xavier Worthy. I think that,

1536
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, thirty four is a spot that you probably

1537
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: could get Xavier Worthy.

1538
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: Now is that a little high?

1539
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: If you take the quarterback and then receiver then tackles

1540
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 2: an issue you know who knows well.

1541
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: Again, they're not gonna be able to have a perfect offseason, right,

1542
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: there's too much and maybe maybe you attack, maybe you

1543
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: keep on when you sign Tyron Smith and then yeah,

1544
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: Polk is a good shout too.

1545
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 2: Though, like you know, not not He's not as fast

1546
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,520
Speaker 2: as Xavier Worthy as obviously in a straight line. Yeah,

1547
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 2: but he definitely that's how he wins, you know, is

1548
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 2: those types of what we've talked about.

1549
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: Who's your comment for him again? Uh, Jayden Reid right,

1550
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: Green Bay?

1551
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, who's Yeah, he's not as fast as Jayden Reid,

1552
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 2: but in terms of the routes that he has, Yeah,

1553
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 2: I just.

1554
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: Bring up him and we go back to talking about

1555
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: them wanting to land or us thinking that like Michael

1556
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: Pannix is the guy they want to land. Also know

1557
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: you have Tyler Hughes here. It's like people ask all

1558
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: the time, are you who are pairing quarterbacks and receiver?

1559
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 1: That would be an interesting.

1560
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 2: Good time to that that I gotta talk to Tyler.

1561
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: He was at some point about the Washington guys, like,

1562
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's obvious, Like that's a really good thing.

1563
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: And you know, Taekwon Underwood was just in college too.

1564
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 2: I know it's just that pit but like he he

1565
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: was just in college. Yeah, Sad Jordanas's and yeah he

1566
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: counts the pit guy because he sucked you.

1567
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that Taekwon Underwood was there for

1568
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: I think they were like technically there together for because

1569
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: I think he hasn't Underwood been there for like three years.

1570
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: Hang on, I'm pulling it up. I because I said

1571
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: this the other day on the radio and I realized

1572
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have the timeline exactly right. I think they

1573
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: were there together for like he was still working out

1574
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: at Pitt while he was in the transfer portal got

1575
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: it and Underwood. Yeah, so Underwood got to Pitt. Underwood

1576
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: was hired by Pitt and Jim Nanuary of twenty twenty two,

1577
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: and Addison transferred to USC in May of twenty twenty.

1578
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: So it's just a couple of months. But there is

1579
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 1: a I'm trying to find there is a Jordan Addison

1580
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 1: quote somewhere about Taekwon Underwood. So cool thing about Taekwon

1581
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 1: Underwood real quick. So Taekwon Underwood.

1582
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 2: Rutgers, Yep, Rutgers guy was roommates at Rutgers with Devin McCarty. Yeah,

1583
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 2: and so that that connection is when he was here

1584
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven for a little bit.

1585
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1586
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 2: You know, Devin mccorty and Gerrod Mayer were obviously really close.

1587
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 2: So that's how you get to the you know, six

1588
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 2: degrees of separation that brought Taekwon Underwood back to New England.

1589
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to the phones here. We

1590
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 2: got a Trevor in Kansas City. What's up, Trevor, trev

1591
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 2: Are you there?

1592
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 1: Yeah? Gotcha?

1593
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 3: Sorry, cut out for a second.

1594
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: All good.

1595
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 3: Hey, I've got two questions. I'll be fast and i'll

1596
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 3: take them off their The first one you're probably not

1597
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: gonna want to answer, Evan, but I'm curious to know

1598
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 3: your guy thoughts on Cody Schrader in his fit in

1599
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 3: the Patriots offense from Kansas City. So I watched a

1600
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 3: lot of the Zoo football. And then second kind of

1601
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 3: talking about Michael Pennock's fun. You just brought him up.

1602
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 3: He's my quarterback one if you take away the injuries.

1603
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 3: And honestly, I know you can't take him away, but

1604
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 3: I you know, I don't know what I don't know,

1605
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 3: and I haven't heard any other reason we shouldn't take

1606
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 3: him at three besides injuries.

1607
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 8: So I'd love to hear your guys thoughts on that.

1608
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 3: I'll take it off the air.

1609
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 5: Thanks Gg.

1610
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Trevor. So obviously, no one's taking

1611
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 2: Michael Pennox in the top ten because of the injuries.

1612
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 2: Even if you get to clean bill health of the combine,

1613
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: it's not happening.

1614
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: Just that that history makes it so tough. Yeah.

1615
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 2: In terms of his play, I think the biggest thing

1616
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 2: is is that in hindsight of the National Championship game,

1617
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: one thing that I did was I went back and

1618
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: watched some other pennis games again, because I would encourage

1619
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: people to do.

1620
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to.

1621
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: Look and see was this just because Michigan's defense is

1622
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 2: just dominant and he was flustered by the pressure because

1623
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 2: he's playing Michigan's defense, or was this an issue that

1624
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: was you know, under the surface because he was so

1625
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: good at you know, the rest of the way. I

1626
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: think that there are some legitimate concerns about how he

1627
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 2: handles pressure.

1628
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 1: That's his big knock. Yeah, he's not great under pressure.

1629
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when I I don't necessarily like some people

1630
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 2: fear like his mobility. I think that he can move around, right,

1631
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: I don't have concerns about that. I think that decision

1632
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: making and especially accuracy under pressure is a concern. He

1633
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: threw a bad pick under pressure against Oregon too, you know,

1634
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: just moving off his spot, resetting and throwing down the

1635
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 2: field with the accuracy was a big knock for him,

1636
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 2: and he's only going to see more of that in

1637
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 2: the NFL. We know how that goes around here. If

1638
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 2: you can't if you can't handle pressure and be poised

1639
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: under pressure in terms of your accuracy and decision making,

1640
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 2: that's tough in the NFL because these pass rushers are

1641
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 2: not going to let you off the hook.

1642
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's outside of the injuries. The biggest knock on

1643
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: him everything you just said, is that when he gets

1644
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: rushers in his face, he gets a little sped up times. Now,

1645
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: he's good at not he's good at snapping out of it.

1646
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: In that if he's pressured early, even if the pressure

1647
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: some guys that they're pressured early, even if the pressure

1648
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: comes up stops late, they still continue to act pressured

1649
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: because they're their internal clocks off. With Pennix, it's very

1650
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: play to play. I don't think you ever really see it.

1651
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: We're like, he'll get pressured early in the game, late

1652
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: in the game, the team will back off and he

1653
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: just kind of goes back to being himself. Yeah, so

1654
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: that's encouraging, but the pressure is a real concern, and

1655
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: you have you draft him. I think off they need

1656
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: offensive line one way or the other. I'm not saying

1657
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: they don't. They need to defense, like I'm talking about.

1658
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: That's where it's You signed Tyron Smith, you signed Mike

1659
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: and Winne, and you took a guy in the top

1660
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: one hundred. Yeah, kind of kind of investment in the

1661
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: offense line. Cody Schrader to the other point, I am

1662
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: a running back. Yeah, he's the running back for Missouri.

1663
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how much Missouri. Well, you watched him

1664
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: on Foster's you must have been exposed him a little bit.

1665
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: Probably just didn't pay attention. Really interesting. So he played

1666
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: four years at the D two level and was kind

1667
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: of a backup. I think he sort of broke through.

1668
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: I can get his stats real quick. Yeah, he played

1669
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: four years at the D two level, only one as

1670
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: a starter. Truman State transferred to Missouri, had a solid

1671
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: year and twenty two and then last year came back.

1672
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: Was a team captain, unanimous All American, ran for sixteen

1673
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: hundred yards, like highly highly productive, tough tackle. And he's

1674
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: not a big guy. He's five nine two fourteen. He

1675
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: was I have the number somewhere. He was like top

1676
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: ten according to PFF and broken tackles. So I have

1677
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: for a guy that size.

1678
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 2: I have two running back takes, and one of them

1679
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 2: I think is really going to surprise you in the draft.

1680
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 2: Dylan Lobby and Dowan Edwards from Georgia and my guys.

1681
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 2: I like both guy I like and I like the

1682
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 2: Is it the kid from Baylor? Is it not Baylor?

1683
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll think I'll think of it in

1684
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: a second, but those are those two guys on day

1685
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: three or my guys right now? Okay at TCU, Monti, Bailey, No,

1686
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: I'll think of it in a second, all right. The

1687
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: thing to me with Lobby and I like him as

1688
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 1: a player. I really like him as a player. I

1689
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 1: like Louby. Does that role exist in Alex vand Pelt's offense?

1690
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 2: The spread back? It's not so much that I don't.

1691
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 2: I see him as a guy that can play in

1692
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: like a sub package back role that's not just third

1693
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 2: down like. I think he can be like a true

1694
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 2: sub back, you know more maybe in like a Rex

1695
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: Burkehead type of way than like a James White type

1696
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 2: of And I think that that could exist, especially if

1697
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: they draft Jaden Daniels and they're more gun heavy and

1698
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 2: that's how they run there. They're gonna need sort of

1699
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 2: that speed spread. You know, we're gonna spread the field

1700
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: out and gash you down the hill like they're gonna

1701
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 2: need the back that can get downhill like that like

1702
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 2: Lobby can in a hurry. Edwards, I was really impressed

1703
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 2: with Marshall Lloyd from USC you know, fight on.

1704
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: He's really good. He's gonna end up being top one hundred. Yeah,

1705
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: he's awesome, really good, right back, Jalen, right now, Tennessee.

1706
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: I'll look it up in a second.

1707
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 2: The one thing that I I this is bothering you,

1708
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: isn't it?

1709
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: Is you actually like a running back? I need to

1710
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: know who it is. Who was it? I don't know.

1711
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't know who I'm thinking of, and my brain

1712
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: is broken right now? Is he the SIOL? I think so? Yeah.

1713
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: I don't know where else I would have seen him.

1714
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: All right, I'll look it up in a second, I promise,

1715
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 2: really really quickly. On the running backs, this is gonna

1716
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: blow you away.

1717
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm kind of four of going after a running

1718
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 1: back in free agency.

1719
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,799
Speaker 2: I kind of am too, because this is a loaded

1720
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,839
Speaker 2: free agency class at running back Derrick Henry Josh Jacobs.

1721
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait, I thought you meant like giving

1722
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: some guy one year three million. No, no, no, no, I'm

1723
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: serious about this. Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley, Tony Pollard,

1724
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler, DeAndre Swift. Those are the top six I

1725
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: think in free agency. Okay, they want to run the ball.

1726
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: They can't go into another year where they have two

1727
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: running backs. It's not it's not feasible.

1728
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: And I think that there's a really good argument to

1729
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 2: be made that this this could be an old Bella check.

1730
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 2: And I know he's not here anymore, but maybe one

1731
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: thing that they do hold over a zig where everybody

1732
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: else is zagging. Like all these running backs are hitting

1733
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 2: free agency. Nobody wants to pay running backs, which tells

1734
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 2: me that someone is going to be cheap on this

1735
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 2: on the market.

1736
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: Not the projected contracts from PFF.

1737
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 2: I think the projected you can tell me. But the

1738
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 2: projected contracts I think are gonna end up being too high.

1739
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: Barkley three years twelve per Oh, Bucky Irving, That's who

1740
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking. Oh, I like Bucky Irving, Oregon, Yeah, whatever,

1741
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: I like Bucky ir Bucky, he's kind of come to

1742
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: me more change of pace back? Yeah on this list? Sorry? Uh,

1743
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving in the draft, didn't Why do I think

1744
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: he went back to school? Did he? I don't know.

1745
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: I saw him in a mock draft, like, oh, no,

1746
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: he is in the draft. Yeah, yeah, it's weird. He's

1747
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: not on our big board, all right? True? Oh yeah,

1748
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: oh because his name's his real name's Marquise That's why

1749
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: he's listed as Marquee serving. He's projected top one hundred pick.

1750
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: How much do you like him? Not that much, but

1751
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: I just like his play. I like all right, No,

1752
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: I like him too. I forgot that Bucky's not a

1753
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: really back.

1754
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: But I think that there is a real chance that

1755
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: running backs, especially some of the free agent I'm blown

1756
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 2: away this is, I know, because I think that there's

1757
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 2: a real chance that those guys are going to be

1758
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 2: extremely undervalued because all the nerds like me are telling

1759
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 2: you not to pay running backs. So I'm not saying

1760
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: to pay a guy ten million dollars a year. But

1761
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 2: let's say they we get to free agency and like

1762
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 2: Austin Eckler is available for like six million bucks, like

1763
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 2: Zeke was last year. Right, you know, I'm all for that.

1764
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 2: I think pairing. I would like ideally to pair Ramandre

1765
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: Stevenson with like a thunder and lightning type speed. So

1766
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 2: I look at it, and I say, Tony Pollard Austin

1767
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 2: Eckler like those.

1768
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: You look at what Cleveland had last year, Nick Chubb,

1769
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: the last few years Nick Chub, kareem Hunt. They put

1770
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: together a true all right, So Barkley three years twelve

1771
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: per yeah, no, alright, twenty guaranteed, Josh Jacobs projected three

1772
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: years eleven per eleven and a half per Nope out

1773
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry two years ten per ten per year for

1774
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: thirty year old, thirteen million guaranteed twenty total food. No,

1775
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: I would absolutely do that. No, that thirteen million guaranteed

1776
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: on a two year contract way too much. It's like

1777
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: six and a half what they pay Zeke.

1778
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: I think it's a combination. But like I just said,

1779
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,440
Speaker 2: like that's you have. Now you just have two bulldozers

1780
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: like what.

1781
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: Like all right? Fine?

1782
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 7: Uh?

1783
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: Pollard three years eight per yes, Eckler two six point

1784
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: seven per one hundred percent. Yes. Swift really interests me

1785
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: because I just think he fits that style. Three years

1786
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: six point two per.

1787
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 2: I love the idea, and I know that he had

1788
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: a down year last year, So I like gravitate a

1789
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 2: little bit more towards Tony Pollard because I think he's

1790
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: a little younger. Tony Pollard had a down year last

1791
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: year with Dallas as the as the work course, like

1792
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be the lead back they moved

1793
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: on from Zeke. But the year before that, when he

1794
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 2: was like in a tandem with Zeke, he was the

1795
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 2: better back.

1796
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: Excellent.

1797
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I wonder if he's more of like

1798
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 2: one hundred hundred and twenty five touch guy versus a

1799
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 2: two hundred touch guy, Like does that help him? And

1800
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 2: he just exploits with Thermandra, I could see that it's

1801
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: a thunder and light. Look, I think they need to

1802
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: draft a running back because Ramandre's in a contract year

1803
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 2: and you can't unless maybe that I'm saying, like, obviously,

1804
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: everm Andre, give Tony Pollard like a two year deal

1805
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: at a reasonable contract, and you draft a running back

1806
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 2: in the sixth round, you know, like to round it

1807
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 2: out like that sort of thing.

1808
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: Well, that would be that's about where Cody Schrader is

1809
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: supposed to go, and he'd be a really good compliment

1810
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: for those.

1811
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just draft a younger guy. Maybe Kevin Harris

1812
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 2: is another guy that could be like the fourth back

1813
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 2: in that committee, right, and the third back would be

1814
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: somebody that you draft.

1815
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: I am surprised, Okay, I am.

1816
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: My whole take in free agency, and then I do

1817
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 2: want to get to the combine. We have some more

1818
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: calls to get to too. My whole take in free

1819
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: agency is that I want to pay talent. I don't

1820
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 2: want to pay Nelson Aguilar and John Smith, right, I

1821
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: want to just because those guys play positions of need

1822
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 2: that are bigger on your board. If running back is

1823
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: deep in free agency and you have seventy five million

1824
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 2: dollars in free agency to spend, pay a running back.

1825
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: If all these defensive linemen and edge rushers that are

1826
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 2: going to be free agents, that are studs. If some

1827
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 2: of the a lot of these guys don't get tagged

1828
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: and they actually hit unrestricted free agency, go give a

1829
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 2: bag to Brian Burns, you know, go give a bag

1830
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 2: that idea I love, Go give it.

1831
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: You know you know who I really want? Who Josh Allen? Yeah,

1832
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: the other Josh Allen, right, No, the like the Josh

1833
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: Allen the good one. Oh god, that's not fair, the

1834
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: one that's been a problem. Okay, do you know who

1835
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: I really want? Lagarious Need?

1836
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 2: I would back up the Brings truck if I could

1837
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 2: have Christian Gonzalez and Lagarious Need for the next four

1838
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 2: to five years in the secondary.

1839
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: All for that? All right, since we're just randomly throwing

1840
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: out free agents at this point, which is fun. Yeah,

1841
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: somebody was the ESPN or PFF. Somebody put Christian Wilkins.

1842
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 5: Ina.

1843
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: I love that fit too. I mean that you're you're

1844
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 1: running a different defense. Now, are you two gapping with

1845
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins and Christian Barmore? No? No, I think you could.

1846
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 2: But I don't think that they're necessarily like pigeonholed to

1847
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 2: one thing, you know, like up the field players. But

1848
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 2: last year in Fangio's system, he's playing gap in a half,

1849
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 2: which is similar to to gapping.

1850
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: So it's possible.

1851
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: I think that Christian Wilkins, like that's we're talking in

1852
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 2: free agency. I'd like talent grab right, Like Christian Wilkins

1853
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: is a great player. Make you'll figure it out. Yeah,

1854
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 2: local Christian Wilkins. But if oh god, if they got

1855
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 2: if they got Sneid and Christian Gonzales as their perimeter corners.

1856
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 1: That way you're gonna say they got Stephen christ Jones.

1857
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: That would be absolutely terrifying. Like I don't know how

1858
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: like you can play pressman to man for four quarters

1859
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: with those two guys. Let me give you again, Well,

1860
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: we're thrown out names because obviously it didn't end here.

1861
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: Great for him, but it's a new coach and maybe

1862
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: to bring gilmore he's still played pretty well as he's

1863
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: all right, he's he doesn't have I'm not saying it

1864
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: like the same. Let's say, but he's fine. You're not

1865
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: gonna sign Lugerious Sneed and Christian Wilkins, Like that's just

1866
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: too many assets on defense and what are you doing

1867
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: a tackle? And why not? That's probably you're probably talking

1868
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 1: at thirty thirty five million dollars. Yeah, but you know

1869
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: how contract structures work. That's true. Okay, I'm just saying,

1870
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: like Stefan Gilmour is like a bridge corner. I've always

1871
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: liked the idea of Steph coming back here. Yeah, no,

1872
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't hate that. The other valuable part of that,

1873
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: it's just one year. Get Steph in the classroom. With Christianzalez.

1874
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't hate that at all. I don't

1875
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 2: hate that at all. If that's the route that they

1876
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 2: decided to go, I don't. I don't love the offensive

1877
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 2: players in free agency. I'm gonna be honest. I hate

1878
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 2: the tackles. I think all the tackles.

1879
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 1: I hate the tackles. But I also think they've put

1880
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: themselves in a position at that position where they can't

1881
01:26:58,120 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: be picky.

1882
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 2: Okay, but the pro is that like so many of

1883
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: those guys don't even stay on the field. So like

1884
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,799
Speaker 2: that that's my bigger concern. It's one thing if oh, yeah,

1885
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 2: if they were going to bring in a tackle, because

1886
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 2: they just have to bring in a veteran tackle, and yeah,

1887
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 2: he's probably more like a C plus player than like

1888
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 2: a true blue chip tackle. You're not gonna find the

1889
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 2: blue chip tackle in free agency. Most likely they don't

1890
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: come available. That's fine.

1891
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: So you're out on Tyron Smith as like a bridge guy.

1892
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 2: Yes, And I also just don't see Tyrann Like why

1893
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 2: at this point of Tyron Smith's career is he leaving

1894
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 2: Dallas money? They they'd pay their players in Dallas, I know,

1895
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 2: but aren't they trying to like reconfigure der line. Wasn't

1896
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 2: there something that like they're gonna try to move on

1897
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 2: from him?

1898
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: Uh?

1899
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 2: Maybe, I He's probably the one guy that I would say, okay, Like,

1900
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 2: you know, he's obviously an upgrade.

1901
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: He's thirty four, he's not forty. No, you sign like

1902
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: a two year deal heavy, heavily away the guaranteed money

1903
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: in the first year, and it just buys you a

1904
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: year of tackle essentially. Yeah.

1905
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean I also like Jonah Williams, Like just as

1906
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 2: a player, I think that that, you know, he's a

1907
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: fine player. But like last year in free agency with tackles,

1908
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 2: you know, I would have been okay with overplaying a

1909
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: little bit for McGlen cheek. We talked about this at

1910
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 2: nauseum last year. I would have been over okay with but.

1911
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: Soto sign one Draft one.

1912
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 2: I would have been okay with doing that. But this

1913
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 2: class in the tackles in this class are not on

1914
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 2: that level. Like those guys all were like like I

1915
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 2: just said, like C plus B minus players. Yeah, but

1916
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 2: they all stayed on the field and they played right

1917
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 2: like they were all right.

1918
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 1: You know that you could count on those guys this

1919
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: this group, like Mackai Beckton Jones. I would rather they

1920
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: not have to go to tackle for free agency. That

1921
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: obviously means you're using a top fifty pick in the

1922
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: draft on a tackle and bringing back Mike Go and Wuenu.

1923
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: The only two positions that excite me on offense and

1924
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: free agency running back, which we talked about in tight end. Yeah,

1925
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: tight end does excite me as well, especially because you've

1926
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: got Austin Hooper and the other one who's in Cleveland

1927
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: with Harrison Bryant. Harris and Bryant are there. I think

1928
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: we talked about no making a lot of sense for them.

1929
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Like I, I think they need to sign a tight end.

1930
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: You can't do the two rookie tight end thing. Again,

1931
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 1: that position historically is the slowest developing. Yeah, rookie tight

1932
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: ends produced less than rookies at any other position. Doesn't

1933
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: mean tight ends aren't good. They just start producing later.

1934
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: So even if you're in a draft a tight end,

1935
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 1: I still think he signed somebody to pair with him,

1936
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: whether it is Fant or Bryant or Austin Hooper or

1937
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: like Adam Troutman.

1938
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 2: I would be really surprised if Harrison Bryan isn't isn't

1939
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 2: a Baseriot. I just feel like watching their film last

1940
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 2: from last year with Cleveland, they used him as as

1941
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 2: a pretty unique player in terms of the run game,

1942
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 2: and you know, he was blocking more as like a

1943
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 2: wing instead of like a true in line most of

1944
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 2: the time. But they moved him around a bunch, and

1945
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 2: he's athletic. I think he's got some breakout potential. Like

1946
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 2: not like that he's gonna all a sudden be a

1947
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 2: thousand yard receiver, but well, could he be what Kendrick

1948
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 2: Bourne was to the twenty one class, Yeah, something like that.

1949
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: We're like, they sign Kendrick Bourne and we were all

1950
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 2: kind of like all right, like he was in the

1951
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 2: mix with some other guys, and you look back, he

1952
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 2: was their best offensive signing. I just look at the

1953
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 2: way that they use tight ends with AVP. I love

1954
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry. I think he's been a great Patriot, you know,

1955
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 2: one of the clear you know, they hit on that

1956
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,759
Speaker 2: signing when they signed him in free agency. But AVP

1957
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 2: likes more athletic and more explosive guys. You know, Harrison

1958
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 2: Brian certainly fits that category and his you know, tier

1959
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 2: of player. He's not as good of a player as

1960
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry but you know, a guy obviously like David

1961
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 2: n Joku is probably one of the most explosive tight

1962
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 2: ends in the league, right, Like, those are the types

1963
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 2: of guys that they gravitate towards. So I think, no

1964
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 2: offense on the table, he's not the best blocker, but

1965
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 2: in terms of getting up the field and getting vertical

1966
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 2: and creating big plays off of play action, he's certainly

1967
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 2: somebody that can do that for he's fast, explosive player.

1968
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: I think Gerald Everett, I mentioned a couple of times,

1969
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 2: really like that fit for them because when they run

1970
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 2: bootlegs and stuff like that, he can be that guy

1971
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 2: that's the dump off in the flat on the slide

1972
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 2: or submarine route coming out across the formation that you

1973
01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:59,600
Speaker 2: just throw them the ball in the flat and it

1974
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 2: can turn into a fifteen twenty yard game. It's funny

1975
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 2: because Gerald Everett, in my mind, it reminds me a

1976
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 2: lot of John new Smith, but they just didn't have

1977
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 2: the plan the first time around. For John john Smith, meanwhile,

1978
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 2: it would be like a great fit for this offense

1979
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: they're gonna run.

1980
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: Now.

1981
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 2: That's why I feel like Gerald Everett's a decent fit

1982
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 2: for it. You know, he's similar type of players. So

1983
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 2: I agree that in free agency they should be able

1984
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: to get a tight end that is a starting caliber

1985
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 2: NFL tight end and that'll allow them to maybe not

1986
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 2: need it as desperately once we get to the draft.

1987
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: But I still think they should draft somebody just oh yeah,

1988
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 1: to have that pipeline going. Yeah, all right, we got

1989
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: to get through these got Donald parm Oh is he

1990
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,680
Speaker 1: free agent? Actually? I think he is. OK. Steve is

1991
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. What's up, Steve? Hello, Hey, Steve hid So.

1992
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 7: I have a two questions, well, one kind of comment

1993
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 7: for Alex, but one of them is so the comment

1994
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 7: I'll start with is I think we should go with

1995
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 7: the white helmets for all the time. I feel like

1996
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 7: the silver just didn't even match the uniforms. I want

1997
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 7: you to go on Madden tonight and tell me how

1998
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 7: they look for next week show. Okay, And then the

1999
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 7: question is what do you guys think of TEUs Walker

2000
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 7: matching him up with Drake Meg We judged in the

2001
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 7: first round because we get ted Walker in the third round.

2002
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, thanks for the calls. Team.

2003
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 2: Look, it's definitely there right the connection I tedes Walker

2004
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 2: had an awful senior Bowl Walk. Yeah, and I have

2005
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 2: a lot of hesitations about Ted Walker. I didn't like

2006
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,600
Speaker 2: think that he popped watching Drake mayfilm. I didn't necessarily

2007
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 2: notice him. And then at the Senior Bowl separation finishing

2008
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 2: through contact hands obviously had a ton of drops that

2009
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 2: week at the Senior Bowl. It was a disaster for

2010
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 2: tes Walker. Now with that being said, is there a

2011
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 2: chance that Ted Walker is now available in like the

2012
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 2: fifth and all of a sudden he's value Maybe? And

2013
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 2: that would be more intriguing to me.

2014
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: I think there's inherent value in tes Walker becomes a

2015
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: better pick if you draft Drake May. Agree, if that

2016
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: makes where like there's a level of comfort for both, Yeah,

2017
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 1: that should elevate both. Does that mean you race up

2018
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 1: the board to get him?

2019
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:18,640
Speaker 5: Know?

2020
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:20,680
Speaker 1: But like you said, like, let's say you can get

2021
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: tes Walker, I'd even say in the fourth round and

2022
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: you have Drake May, It's like, all right, well, now

2023
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: Drake May is a familiar face to throw to these guys,

2024
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 1: already gives him chemistry, It'll help him hit the ground rolling,

2025
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 1: it'll make things easier, and maybe that helps. Because it's

2026
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: all about player development, right, I'm not saying like, oh

2027
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: you're burning a fourth round pick to make your quarterback comfortable.

2028
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: It's maybe it makes both players develop a little bit

2029
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: at a little bit higher level than they would otherwise.

2030
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 2: Big big week for tes Walker next week, because the

2031
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 2: one thing that he has his speed. Yeah, so when

2032
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 2: he runs in the forty, if he doesn't put down

2033
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 2: something in the low four fours, then I don't know

2034
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 2: where he's gonna go in the draft after the Senior Bowl.

2035
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 1: Like it could it could be.

2036
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 2: On Day three after a guy that some people thought

2037
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 2: early on in the problem, this is gonna be like

2038
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 2: a second round pick. So that's gonna be interesting.

2039
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: You know, if he if he's like a four four

2040
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: eight guy in the Senior Bowl week, then watch out,

2041
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: Like he could fall all the way down the board.

2042
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: If he runs well, he might be able to save

2043
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: his stock a little bit. So it'd be interesting to

2044
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: see what he runs. Nick is in Omaha. What's up? Nick?

2045
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 9: Hey, you guys, how's it going good? My girlfriend got

2046
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 9: wyn and I was calling in and she wanted to listen,

2047
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 9: So shout out to Riley, Hello, how's it going? Which

2048
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 9: nice kind of a side story. I was a little

2049
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 9: nervous to meet her family and I show up and

2050
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 9: her brother's got a Patriots hat on. So hey, you

2051
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 9: know that's there, the stars aligning right there.

2052
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 1: Nice.

2053
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 9: No, I I called a couple weeks back for it

2054
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 9: was like a Madden question. You guys helped me out,

2055
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 9: so appreciate on that. A couple of comments, one Evan,

2056
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 9: I am actually very surprised you don't play.

2057
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: Matt No, I used.

2058
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 2: I know I used to back in the day, but

2059
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up. You know, I just I don't.

2060
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't have time for it anymore. Unfortunately.

2061
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, I should probably stop playing, but I just figured

2062
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 9: the schemes in the con No.

2063
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,040
Speaker 1: Don't stop playing. It's fun. Plus we're getting it. We're

2064
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 1: getting the college game in a few few months.

2065
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 9: So true.

2066
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:16,679
Speaker 1: True.

2067
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just heard like three or four people mentioned

2068
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 9: Madden as they called in, so I was like, I

2069
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 9: got to bring that up. But appreciate the help on that.

2070
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 9: I haven't made to bowl yet, but I'll let you

2071
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 9: guys know. My question is a little unorthodox, and but

2072
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,600
Speaker 9: to be fair, my you guys got me down this

2073
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 9: train of thought, so I just kind of wanted to

2074
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 9: bring it to you guys. Is there any piece of

2075
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 9: you that is like thinking the combine is a little outdated,

2076
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 9: is that? Is there any opinions there?

2077
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 5: Uh?

2078
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call, Dick.

2079
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 2: There's so there's so many Alex's single jokes in there

2080
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 2: that I'm just gonna let fly right by on all

2081
01:35:55,520 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 2: these things go ahead. No, no, no, I know, no, No,

2082
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 2: I think the combine being outdated. Yes, and no, I

2083
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 2: think that there's still a lot of value, certainly for teams.

2084
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 2: There's a ton of value in the interviews and the

2085
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 2: medical side of things, like that's ninety percent of the

2086
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 2: combine at this point in terms of the actual event.

2087
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 2: But I still think that there's value in this is

2088
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 2: a timed forty that everybody's on the same track on

2089
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:30,839
Speaker 2: the same watch, right, and like it's not necessarily judging

2090
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 2: game speed off the eyeball test. And I was talking

2091
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 2: to at the Senior Bowl, Macro and Cameron Williams did

2092
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 2: interviews with us, and I talked to Kareron Williams a

2093
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 2: little bit about this because he had mentioned that at

2094
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 2: Wide Receiver that they still think that there's value in

2095
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 2: the forty yard dash and like seeing how these guys

2096
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 2: test athletically because it's such an athletic position. And I

2097
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 2: asked him about in game player tracking, and I was like, well,

2098
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,840
Speaker 2: don't you guys have the zebra speeds, so like what

2099
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 2: difference does it make? And he said that that they do,

2100
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 2: and they obviously use that stuff. But certain guys, you know,

2101
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,719
Speaker 2: we're just talking about teses Walker, right, like go ball receiver.

2102
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 2: Certain guys are running eighty yards down the field, and

2103
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:13,599
Speaker 2: when they run eighty yards down the field, they can

2104
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 2: build up speed to twenty one miles an hour. Then

2105
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 2: you have like a Pop Douglas who maybe was running

2106
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 2: out of the slot the entire like he's running five

2107
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 2: yard routes, He's not going to be able to hit

2108
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 2: that top speed as easily or as often. So what

2109
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 2: the forty yard dash allows you to do is to

2110
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, kind of take away the parameters of like, oh,

2111
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 2: this is an next receiver that plays on the outside,

2112
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 2: that's a vertical guy. Those guys are obviously going to

2113
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 2: test really really well in the in game and tracking

2114
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 2: data because they have the build up to get to

2115
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 2: those speeds. So I think that that context is important

2116
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 2: with those types of things where you have to realize

2117
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 2: that not every player gets the opportunity to hit twenty

2118
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 2: one miles an hour, So what does everybody look on

2119
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 2: an even playing field in the forty yard dash? I

2120
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 2: think it still has some value in it.

2121
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: And I think that splits like you taught me this,

2122
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 1: and it's very valuable that ten yard split. How explosive

2123
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: is a guy? I also think, and you can say

2124
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Speaker 1: this is unfair, but this is just how the NFL works.

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01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: I think teams are interested in seeing what kind of

2126
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 1: shape guys show up for to the combine and what's

2127
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: their technique like on the forty because you just want

2128
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: to see it's it's what do people refer to as

2129
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: the most important job interviewer or whatever, something like that.

2130
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 1: Or there's pressure, there's absolutely so how seriously you may

2131
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: not see the player prepare, but you can tell in

2132
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 1: the outcome maybe how seriously they took their preparation. And

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01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: I think that weighs in too. If there's a guy

2134
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 1: you don't expect to run a certain speed at a

2135
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 1: certain time and he impresses you, it's not just he's

2136
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: faster than you thought. You then go and you talk

2137
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: to him about his preparation process and maybe you end

2138
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: up learning, wow, this guy he took this really seriously

2139
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 1: and his ability to study and pick up new things,

2140
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: because training for the combine is not at all there's

2141
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 1: very little football application to it. Yeah, so it's all right.

2142
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 1: This guy took something he hadn't done in the past

2143
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 1: and was able to pick it up quickly. That's valuable.

2144
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 1: Like I remember, I go back to Cole Strange told

2145
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,679
Speaker 1: us this after his rookie year that we asked him about,

2146
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, his first true NFL off season, and he

2147
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: said the one thing he was looking forward to was

2148
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: getting was actually working on football because his rookie off

2149
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 1: season he spent so much with training for the combine,

2150
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 1: right that there wasn't a ton of football involved. Yeah,

2151
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:22,600
Speaker 1: so I think just learning how guys approach it. And

2152
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:24,799
Speaker 1: then obviously there's the whole thing about the original purpose

2153
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 1: of the forty, which the first, the first to the

2154
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: first comment on the show in the chat today was

2155
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: asking if I was gonna tell the story, So I won't.

2156
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 2: It only took us to almost two hours into the

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01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 2: show for Alex to finally tell us about the forty.

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01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: Did they run the forty even to cover punts like that? Right?

2159
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 1: So I will not stop until everybody on the planet

2160
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:43,760
Speaker 1: knows that the last thing.

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01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 2: And look, I I'll fully admit I'm pumped about the

2162
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 2: combine next week. I'm it's my favorite thing, like of

2163
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 2: the year probably. I love the combine. I'm a sucker

2164
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 2: for it, all right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna say

2165
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 2: the combine still still matters for those reasons. But I

2166
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 2: also like you your point about how well they trained

2167
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 2: for it and how well they prepared for it. When

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01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 2: you get to the on field drill portion and a

2169
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 2: receiver is going through the gauntlet or the quarterbacks throwing

2170
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 2: or whatever, there's a lot of there's natural pressure that's

2171
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 2: created in those situations. Everybody's eyes are on you all

2172
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 2: thirty two teams are staring at you, You're on national TV. Like,

2173
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 2: there is a lot of pressure in that and how

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01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 2: people handle that environment is important. I think a lot

2175
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,640
Speaker 2: of the things that receivers do and these are important

2176
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 2: as well. Like you can really see, especially you know,

2177
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 2: when we get to it next week when they run

2178
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 2: the gauntlet, Like you can really see who is a

2179
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 2: natural hands catcher, Like who's really able to.

2180
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 1: Know that's a football apple? Yeah, and that's important.

2181
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, who's not fighting the ball, who's smooth?

2182
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 2: With it who you know drops or obviously like those

2183
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 2: are things that matter a lot because you you know

2184
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,400
Speaker 2: guys that can transition and run and then catch the

2185
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 2: ball on the run and not slow down and not

2186
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 2: lose speed like that such an important skill for the

2187
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 2: receiver position.

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01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Not just receivers. The combine last year, remember we were

2189
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 1: trying to sort out the top of the cornerback board

2190
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 1: and combine. Last year was when Christian Gonzalez became one

2191
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 1: one for me for exactly what you just said. Going

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01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 1: through some of the like full field drills. Yeah, and

2193
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:19,599
Speaker 1: just the effortless change of direction, it just it jumped

2194
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 1: out where you're like, legit, Yeah, So those hold more

2195
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: meaning than tests. The tests don't hold a ton of

2196
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 1: meaning to me unless it's like an extreme result and

2197
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: when we're or the other. But the full field drill, certainly.

2198
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 2: The test is just confirming your priors or not, right,

2199
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 2: like is this guy fast or is he not fast?

2200
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 2: If I mentioned tes Walker, I think he's a great

2201
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 2: example for this. If tes Walker runs a four to

2202
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 2: three eight, then you can sit there and say, okay,

2203
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 2: you know the vertical ability on film it matches up

2204
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 2: to the forty.

2205
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: That's good.

2206
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 2: If tes Walker runs a four to five, then you

2207
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:53,599
Speaker 2: can sit there and say, you know, bad Senior Bowl

2208
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 2: four or five, like maybe you know we miss something

2209
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 2: with this guy. So I do think there is some

2210
01:41:58,040 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 2: application to it. And I'm always gonna stand for the

2211
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm because I love it.

2212
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: I mean, he's great, it's good sod Ware Olympics, all right,

2213
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: Mark is in Connecticut? What's that? Mark?

2214
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, you guys actually kind of stole my thunder there.

2215
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 5: I was thinking for free agent running back, I'm actually

2216
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 5: going with d Swift. I think that if you pair

2217
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 5: him up with Remandre, like you guys are saying, you

2218
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 5: got that thunder and lightning action going on there. And

2219
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 5: then also the Harrison Bryant. I remember watching him back

2220
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 5: in college and then I wanted him back when we

2221
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,599
Speaker 5: took the two dopes that aren't even in the NFL

2222
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 5: anymore at tight end. You know, I just you know,

2223
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 5: I don't know. Harrison Brian makes a lot of sense

2224
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 5: for New England, especially when he works with Alex van Pelt.

2225
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 5: So that those are my takes on that, and you know,

2226
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 5: I wouldn't mind Pollard, but I really think the Swift

2227
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 5: would be an electric electric player for them.

2228
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call, market call. Yeah, I agree.

2229
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,560
Speaker 1: First of all, don Key is in the legue on

2230
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: a futures contract with the Texans, so.

2231
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 2: He's barely in the league. He has, it's a future contract,

2232
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 2: like he's he'll be in the league in March May.

2233
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 2: He might be on a practice squad.

2234
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just joking around. You were a big Bryant guy,

2235
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 1: now Jackie Award winner, like your best tight end in

2236
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: the Adam Florida Atlantic, which to get noticed at Florida

2237
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: he's so alt American again it Yeah, Florida Atlantic. That's

2238
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 1: not easy, very that's not a program. That's I mean,

2239
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:26,680
Speaker 1: you got to dig in the channel guy to find

2240
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Speaker 1: the Florida Atlantic games.

2241
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 2: And I think you know a pretty good athlete if

2242
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 2: I remember correctly, and I had a really good Senior

2243
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 2: Bowl week obviously.

2244
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,679
Speaker 1: Combine numbers. Yeah, give me his comedy. He didn't test

2245
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 1: uh four, so measured at six four two forty three. Yeah,

2246
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 1: that part concerns me a little bit. That's fine, he's

2247
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 1: not very big, Okay, keep going six five, six, five, okay,

2248
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: six uh four to seven three forty Oh really yeah?

2249
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 1: One six in the first splint, I don't know why

2250
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 1: I thought he was seven three cone, Yeah, thirty two

2251
01:43:56,439 --> 01:44:00,160
Speaker 1: and a half vertical, nine foot broad eighteen. But he

2252
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: plays I wouldn't say he plays fast, but he plays

2253
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: like fluidly, you know, like you can tell that he's

2254
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 1: like he's got good body control and he's a decent act.

2255
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:13,680
Speaker 1: You thinking of Adam Troutman in terms of the speed, maybe, yeah,

2256
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 1: Trotman ran a four eight. Uh yeah, because you like

2257
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: Troutman too. I think I did like Troutman. I liked

2258
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 1: everybody besides the two guys that they drafted. I was

2259
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:23,640
Speaker 1: all col Comet that year. Is the only guy I

2260
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 1: wanted to Yeah, he's a good player. Uh so you

2261
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: were right about that one. Yeah.

2262
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 2: In general though, whether it's swift, you know, I'm sorry.

2263
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 2: I know that shocks you.

2264
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 1: I know it's not. I love it on the website.

2265
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 1: I did. I wrote it in the mail bag, but

2266
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:43,320
Speaker 1: I kind of buried. No no, no, no no no. Alright,

2267
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 1: headline Lazarre wants to pay running back. Okay, all right,

2268
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: all right, Dmitri is in Braintree. What's up, Dmitri?

2269
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, I'm just kind of thinking about the certain

2270
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,640
Speaker 8: pick that we're going to have, and I'm kind of

2271
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 8: like scared death about Drake May. I don't know about

2272
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 8: you guys, but I I kind of feel like we're

2273
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 8: gonna end up with them in some way. I just

2274
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 8: don't see the commanders going with like another UNC quarterback

2275
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 8: back to back rafts, like after drafting Sam Howell. I mean,

2276
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 8: I just kind of feel like we're gonna end up

2277
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 8: with them. I would firstly trade out of three if

2278
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 8: that was the last one.

2279
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:19,400
Speaker 1: What don't you like about Dmitri?

2280
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2281
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 8: It's just like it's gonna sound dumb, but I keep

2282
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 8: seeing like AI pictures of him and catching it forms

2283
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 8: and it scares the hell out of me.

2284
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 5: Uh.

2285
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 8: But like I don't know his UNC like the lack

2286
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 8: of like pass pitches around him. It just doesn't feel good.

2287
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so thanks for the call. I think

2288
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 2: that this is something and not to like pick on

2289
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 2: Dmitri or whatever, but like this this like comparison that's

2290
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 2: out there.

2291
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 1: Uh to Mitch Trubisky, Yeah, keep talking, I'm gonna find something.

2292
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 1: Keep talking.

2293
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 2: You're scout in the helmet, and that's fine, Like if

2294
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 2: you if that bothers you like Dmitri and like you

2295
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 2: just can't get over the fact that he's in North

2296
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 2: Carolina quarterback and you know, Trubisky owl like not exactly

2297
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 2: the best pedigree there in terms of quarterbacks. I get it,

2298
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:07,639
Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you that Drake May and Mitch

2299
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 2: Trubisky are totally different prospects. Like they're just play totally

2300
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:14,640
Speaker 2: different styles. They have totally different strengths and weaknesses. Like

2301
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 2: to Risky made like fifteen starts in college like the

2302
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,599
Speaker 2: whole time. You know, like Drake May is a multi

2303
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 2: year starter. They just couldn't be more different. Trubisky was

2304
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 2: a good, strong athlete with a good arm that was

2305
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 2: in like a one read rpo style offense at the

2306
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 2: time at UNC that was extremely raw, that had very

2307
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 2: few starts in college football. So it's just totally different.

2308
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a list quarterbacks from the modern

2309
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 1: era from a certain school. You tell me the schools

2310
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: good at producing quarterbacks, Okay, Joe Barnes, Yeah, Tommy Dunvine,

2311
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 1: Ron Reeves, Billy Joe Tolliver. Who are these people? I'm

2312
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: gonna give this away a second. Cliff Kingsbury, BJ Simmons,

2313
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 1: Any good NFL quarterbacks on there? No, So if we're

2314
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 1: sitting here in twenty seventeen and you're saying, I don't

2315
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:02,639
Speaker 1: want a guy from that school they never turn out quarterbacks.

2316
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that's Texas Tech. You're passing on Patrick Holmes. So

2317
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 1: the point, like I get it, Like the UNC quarterbacks

2318
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: have been fluking. Like I'll be honest, the first thought

2319
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 1: I had when I saw Drake May, especially because he's

2320
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:15,720
Speaker 1: from North Carolina. Yeah, and there's that whole pipeline of

2321
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Go, guys going to you and see him

2322
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:21,799
Speaker 1: Like here we go again. Different, different, And like Sam

2323
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:25,639
Speaker 1: how Drake May was a five star recruit, Drake May

2324
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: was originally committed to Alabama.

2325
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 2: That's something that I feel like we should we should

2326
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:30,679
Speaker 2: like hammer home with him if they.

2327
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 1: Do draft well. A lot of people use that as

2328
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 1: negative why they say he was scared of Alba. He

2329
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to stay home. He was not like Sam Howe,

2330
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 1: was not a five star like he wasn't he might

2331
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 1: have been a five saving, he wasn't the level of recruit.

2332
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 2: I I just blamed the Bears for this because like

2333
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 2: it's their fault that they drafted Mitch Trubisky way too high.

2334
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 2: And I could have told you at the time they

2335
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 2: drafted him.

2336
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Wait too all of us could have Like I'm not

2337
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 1: saying that I'm like some special savant because of that, right,

2338
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 1: Like everybody knew they drafted him too high. If you

2339
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 1: if you want to be down on Drake May and

2340
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 1: you want to like Daniel Jones, is such a better

2341
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 1: comp in terms of like just play style experience in

2342
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 1: college football, the type of offense that they were running

2343
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: Drake May And I know not a lot of people,

2344
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:19,519
Speaker 1: I feel like, realize this. Drake May is playing in

2345
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 1: an air raid at UNC. He plays in an air

2346
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 1: raid offense, and yeah, it's there's a lot more like

2347
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, full field progression. Mitch Mitch Trubisky was an

2348
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,639
Speaker 1: RPO quarterback at UNC. That's that's the offense that they ran.

2349
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 1: Drake May is is reading the full field like he's

2350
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 1: he's doing NFL quarterback stuff. He's not playing in that

2351
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 1: type of system. That that comp bothered me.

2352
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 2: Like if you're gonna say that, he's gonna stank and

2353
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:50,000
Speaker 2: like compare him to like Daniel Jones, like at least

2354
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 2: compare him to somebody that that.

2355
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 1: Has, Yeah, quarterbacks just don't have uh a good the

2356
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,479
Speaker 1: schools don't have a good quarterback until that's just not

2357
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:02,240
Speaker 1: the many good I mean, Alabama didn't have a good

2358
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:05,880
Speaker 1: quarterback for like some people. They still don't. But I

2359
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 1: mean I would, I would, But to Jalen Hurts, I

2360
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:11,640
Speaker 1: think are are so Look, this isn't gonna sound like

2361
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 1: much of a difference as somebody who follows recruiting. I

2362
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 1: promise you this is a big difference. Uh, Mitch Trubisky

2363
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 1: and recruiting tables get it wrong all the time. Marvin

2364
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior was the twenty first rank wide receiver recruit

2365
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 1: in his class. You can believe that, Yeah, I can't actually,

2366
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 1: but it really Yeah, I think that his game has

2367
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:33,200
Speaker 1: has developed in terms of like you know, twenty first

2368
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't even a top one h I don't think

2369
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: that he the top one hundred recruit. I could see

2370
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 1: that because he's not like blazing fast. All right, fair enough,

2371
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 1: But here here's my point, Like when you talk about

2372
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 1: the background in where they started from the foundation. Yeah,

2373
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,639
Speaker 1: Mitch Trubisky was a four star recruit. He was seventy

2374
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 1: ninth ranked player in his class. Sam Howe was a

2375
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: four star recruit. He was one hundred and fourth Drake

2376
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:53,719
Speaker 1: May was a five star recruit. He was twenty fourth.

2377
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 1: He was the fourth quarterback in a class that also

2378
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: included Quinn Eewers and Caleb William sam Hewart ended up

2379
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,600
Speaker 1: being like a major bust, but two guys who were

2380
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:08,799
Speaker 1: viewed as generational. So this is Drake May is starting

2381
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,760
Speaker 1: from a different point than those other two guys, where

2382
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: there's more raw ability there. Now that doesn't mean that

2383
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a long way to go. I think

2384
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 1: he needs to be coached quite a bit. But Sam

2385
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:22,639
Speaker 1: Howe was never to your point, Mitchell Trubisky was never

2386
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: that kind of prospect. He never was. The Bears just

2387
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 1: saw It's like Zach Wilson. They just saw something that

2388
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,560
Speaker 1: wasn't there. It was big, tall death. Sam Howe's a

2389
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. I don't know why we're acting like

2390
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 1: remember after the Patriots played the Commanders, and everybody's trying

2391
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 1: to tell me, tell us that Sam Howe is like

2392
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 1: this great quarterback because he led the league in passing,

2393
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: which doesn't mean anything. The corpse of Ben Roethlisberger led

2394
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 1: the league in passing one of those last years in

2395
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: Pittsburg where could barely move. It just means a trailing

2396
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 1: in a lot of games late and you're just throwing

2397
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:53,559
Speaker 1: a ball down the field. Drake May does not comp

2398
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 1: as a Mitchell Trubiskier. If you want to compare Mitchell

2399
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 1: Trubisky and Sam how you can do that. The only

2400
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 1: thing that you're doing when you compare Drake Made and

2401
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 1: minche t Bisky is saying that they both went to you,

2402
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 1: winc That's it. That's it right, and that's he's not

2403
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:09,880
Speaker 1: actually not even from North Carolina. He's from Ohio.

2404
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:13,759
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, but we gotta wrap so just really quickly,

2405
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 2: is there anybody from the combine? We we didn't talk

2406
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:18,840
Speaker 2: much as much about the combiness and wanted to, but

2407
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:21,680
Speaker 2: is there anybody from the combine that you're really looking at?

2408
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 1: Player? I mean, it's it's Michael Panics. Man, how can

2409
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 1: it not be?

2410
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:24,720
Speaker 4: Like?

2411
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:26,720
Speaker 1: Where is he at healthwise? And I want to see

2412
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:29,679
Speaker 1: Joe Milton throw the ball? Yeah the eighty fight he said,

2413
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 1: he said he's gonna try to throw up a one

2414
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty yards is combine?

2415
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,839
Speaker 2: So god, all right, my my list? Yeah, obviously Panics

2416
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 2: is high up down there. I mentioned all the things

2417
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 2: about the receivers, like I think that's gonna be important

2418
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:44,640
Speaker 2: watching those guys. This is my favorite thing about the combine.

2419
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:46,759
Speaker 2: Yeah not no, no, okay, you're.

2420
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:49,640
Speaker 1: Gonna talk about the shrimp. Nope, okay, but that is

2421
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 1: good arm length for the offensive. This is important, folks.

2422
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 1: Who's the guy this is important? It's the guy that's

2423
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: that's close in terms of the thresh Like, oh, yeah,

2424
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 1: the last year was scronsky. We kind of morgan did

2425
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 1: he measure it? The he did?

2426
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:09,639
Speaker 2: But you know, I need to I want confirmation. At

2427
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl he was like thirty two and a half,

2428
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 2: which most teams so used to be thirty four. Yeah,

2429
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 2: now then Joe Thomas happened, so now it's now it's

2430
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:23,560
Speaker 2: thirty three, right, So thirty three is really the threshold nowadays.

2431
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:27,640
Speaker 2: But I think that arm length and range at the

2432
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 2: tackle position and the type of scheme that a VP

2433
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 2: likes to run is going to matter a little bit

2434
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,680
Speaker 2: more than it maybe did in the Downhills.

2435
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:35,680
Speaker 1: Thirty two and seventy eighth.

2436
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,639
Speaker 2: Okay, so so that's like, really that's to me, that's

2437
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 2: that's close.

2438
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 1: So his arms grew in the last I wouldn't be

2439
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: surprised because some of these guys go to like doctors

2440
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: to get that. Didn't didn't Kenny pick it? Do something? Yeah?

2441
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 1: He was like stretching his hand, Yeah, bigger hands and

2442
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:50,679
Speaker 1: can you pick about.

2443
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 2: That's sad uh. I'm telling you arm length is gonna matter.

2444
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 2: H is he just like sleeping in bed holding in

2445
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 2: each Jordan Morgan's the one big one and I fought

2446
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 2: now from Washington's the other big one.

2447
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 1: He's he's somebody that the Fatanu. Yeah say, did I

2448
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:07,760
Speaker 1: say wrong?

2449
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 2: He said, like fought now. I don't know Troy Fatanu,

2450
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 2: his measure his arms. I think most people are projecting

2451
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 2: to be in the thirty two's instead of the thirty threes.

2452
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 2: So Gord, those are factors. I don't necessarily subscribe to

2453
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 2: it because Dante Scarnekia didn't necessarily subscribe to it, and

2454
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,240
Speaker 2: I I, you know.

2455
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm not doubting that guy.

2456
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, But I think a lot of offensive line

2457
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 2: coaches and a lot of scouts still do. If you're

2458
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 2: below that threshold, like Jordan Morgan at thirty two and seven,

2459
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:39,959
Speaker 2: a's one eighth is not going to make the difference.

2460
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: But that's a shorter arm tackle. That's what it's Also,

2461
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,040
Speaker 1: is he that much of a standout that you're willing

2462
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 1: to overlook it. Like if the guy is thirty two

2463
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 1: in charms but he's on tape just unbelievable, you may

2464
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:53,599
Speaker 1: overlook it. Morgan didn't have a great week, I thought

2465
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 1: in Mobile.

2466
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 2: No, I think Morgan, and we don't have a ton

2467
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:59,680
Speaker 2: of time. So Morgan, he's one of those guys that

2468
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 2: like hugs people with his hands instead of like getting

2469
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:08,720
Speaker 2: into the chest. Like I hate watching tackles that your

2470
01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 2: guy Patrick Paul had this going on a little bit too,

2471
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 2: but I think it can be corrected. Yeah, but the

2472
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 2: point is is just when you go like this and

2473
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:20,040
Speaker 2: like you're you're not getting that inside hand placement consistently.

2474
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 2: It's really difficult in the NFL because guys, guys will

2475
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 2: just get into your chest and they will push you

2476
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:28,240
Speaker 2: back into the quarterback. Like that's how you get bul

2477
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 2: rushes when you give up your chest. So you can't

2478
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:32,680
Speaker 2: give up your chest. So I think that that's gonna

2479
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 2: be a thing for Jordan Morgan that he's going to

2480
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:36,920
Speaker 2: have to fix. But yeah, measurables for all these tackles

2481
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,640
Speaker 2: is gonna matter like nothing that happens on the fields

2482
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 2: in terms of the tackles matters, Like, I don't care

2483
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,400
Speaker 2: what any tackle runs in the forty yard dash, but

2484
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 2: in terms of.

2485
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah or done with Jordan Davis, that was the only

2486
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 1: time I ever cared arm length the big deal for

2487
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 1: the tackle. Actually, i'll give you one I'm interested in.

2488
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 1: Devandre Sweat didn't measure in at the Senior Bowl. Eye.

2489
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't want to weigh He's gonna be like

2490
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty pounds.

2491
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 1: I know, I want to see how big he is. No,

2492
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 1: but he's but he carries it. He's athletic.

2493
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's somebody that you know, depending on how free

2494
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 2: agency goes, because they moved on from Lawrence guy, Like

2495
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 2: you know, you.

2496
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 1: Gotta take Deventre Sweat and top fifty.

2497
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be high. Pick last thing really quickly.

2498
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 2: I think hands size for quarterbacks is gonna matter as well. Yeah,

2499
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 2: because we've already got a couple.

2500
01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 1: I know.

2501
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 2: I made fun of you a couple of weeks ago

2502
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 2: about the whole run game thing when it comes to

2503
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 2: New England. But throwing the ball in New England and

2504
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 2: handling the football in New England with small hands is

2505
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 2: not going to be easy. So like that that that's

2506
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:35,720
Speaker 2: gonna matter.

2507
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 1: You remember before how we said we thought the Patriots

2508
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 1: all everything they said yesterday kind of fit one guy. Yeah,

2509
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 1: you know who had the biggest hands in Senior Bowl Penix?

2510
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 1: He Well he's tied with Joe Milton. But yes, yeah,

2511
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:51,080
Speaker 1: ten and three A's like big, massive hands, massive hands.

2512
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 1: You know you know what that means. No, look at

2513
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 1: him hold the football though it looks weird.

2514
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no hands. It's gonna like if you have a

2515
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 2: guy that has small hands. It's genuinely a concern about it.

2516
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 2: Work out in New England with small hands, not a joke.

2517
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 2: All Right, that's gonna do it for us here on

2518
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 2: Catch twenty two. We'll be back next week. I think

2519
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 2: we're in the afternoon because of the Combine schedule, but

2520
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:13,080
Speaker 2: I'll be in Indianapolis. Alex will be here to host

2521
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:16,960
Speaker 2: the show. Listening, and we'll talk combine fully next week.

2522
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 2: All combine hopefully, and stay tuned for Patriots Unfiltered that's

2523
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:22,880
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