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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. It's a weird year

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Speaker 1: in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But maybe that weird year gives us fresh perspective, fresh opportunity,

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Speaker 2: and new teams to fall in love with. Buck Rising

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Speaker 2: has already decided that the Jags are headed to the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl from the AFC.

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Speaker 1: Could a wild team be doing the same from the NFC.

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Speaker 2: He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason fitz were hanging in for

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Speaker 2: two pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox

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Speaker 1: Buck, hear me out? All right, the NFC's wild, right, Like?

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Speaker 3: Is he?

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Speaker 1: Are you? Are you gonna call the NFC a three

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Speaker 1: team race? Is that where we are?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: I'm including the Packers with the Rams and the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: Were comfortable with the Rams and the Seahawks Packers sort

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Speaker 2: of being the the the upper tier? Or no, you're

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Speaker 2: not comfortable with that? You're giving me a look like

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Speaker 2: the Rams?

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Speaker 4: Why would you put the Packers over the Bears?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's up. I picked the Bears this week.

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Speaker 2: I like, I can't tell on the Bears. Where are

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Speaker 2: you on Chicago? You are you all in on the Bears?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: They're really good? What what would what even is the

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Speaker 5: argument against the Bears. I mean, I would argue Seattle, Chicago,

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Speaker 5: I would take San Francisco, the Rams, and I like

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Speaker 5: all four of those more than I like Green Bay

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Speaker 5: and green Bay. I mean, hell, green Bay may be

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Speaker 5: for as wide open as that feels right now.

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Speaker 4: But you know what would be your argument against the Bears.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Bears spent much of this season winning weird games.

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Speaker 1: They're just weird.

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Speaker 2: Like, Okay, so they have two win or they have

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Speaker 2: two games against the Packers that both came down.

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Speaker 1: To the absolute last play. We know that that was wild, right, And.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the Bears had the dominant win over the Eagles,

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Speaker 2: But look right before that, weird win over the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: it was an ugly game, wild win over the Bengals

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Speaker 2: that I'm not sure they really should have won, then

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Speaker 2: week period it was just all sort of I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure how they're winning these games. They had a weird

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Speaker 2: I mean, hey, these are a lot of bad teams

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Speaker 1: Through all of this.

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Speaker 2: So I just I sat back and said, it feels

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Speaker 1: But I'm not sure how great the Bears aren't.

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Speaker 2: Now that being said, if I'm going to give the

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Speaker 2: give the same benefit of the.

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Speaker 1: Doubt to the Bear. So I'll you're right one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: I have to, knowing how close those two games were,

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Speaker 2: I feel like there have been question marks about the Packers.

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Speaker 2: I left the forty nine ers off and that's a

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Speaker 2: mistake too. The forty nine ers have done nothing but win,

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Speaker 2: even though they're just a shell of themselves on defense.

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Speaker 2: So maybe you're right, maybe I'm valuing the wrong teams.

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Speaker 2: Will you put the Carolina Panthers anywhere in this conversation, elitist?

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Speaker 4: Somebody came up to me the other day.

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Speaker 5: point in time, I am an elitist in terms of

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Speaker 1: Well, look this Panthers team.

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Speaker 2: Bryce Young has certainly gotten better than I think a

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Speaker 2: So Bryce Young playing much much better, for sure, But

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Speaker 2: this is a Panthers team I struggle to make sense of.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how the hell you get swept by the Saints?

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Speaker 4: Have you watched the Saints?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cover Tyler Shucks having a there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Saints are playing a little better.

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Speaker 5: Not if you pay attention to some of the stuff

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Speaker 5: Jeff Duncan is. He's covered the Saints for one hundred years,

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Speaker 5: Jeff Duncan did two weeks ago after so they beat

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Speaker 5: He's their present, their future, and he's their franchise quarterback

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Speaker 5: moving forward. Like I'm paraphrasing a little bit here, but

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Speaker 2: Now, New Orleans is just devoid of a lot of talent.

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Speaker 2: You're right, Tyler Shuck felt like a reach. A twenty

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Speaker 2: brought him along quickly. They're better. The Panthers lose to

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Speaker 2: a weird sort of line in the sand. Because you

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Speaker 2: That's in part because there are so many bad football

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Speaker 2: there are ten teams that have lost double digit games.

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Speaker 2: That number could get bigger, but almost a third of

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Speaker 2: If the Falcons lose one more, they will join that list.

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Speaker 1: I can't get to the math. The seven and tens

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but think about who are some of the teams

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Speaker 4: They had bought themselves some equity.

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Speaker 5: For them to be definitively the worst team in the

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Speaker 4: Coordinator, I don't think he's going anywhere.

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Speaker 5: dancer you are, Like, yeah, no, terrible dancing. We're both

438
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 5: chair dancing right now. We're looking at each other Fitzings

439
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 5: in Connecticut. I'm in Nashville. But your your little shoulder

440
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 5: bounce thing that you're doing.

441
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need that to stop. With your thumbs up.

442
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 4: My god, you would be ashamed. I'm doing the same things.

443
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 1: I can't even be mad.

444
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I embrace, like this whole concept of

445
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 2: I have impeccable rhythm, like I can subdivide a beat

446
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: all day long. You can havepeccable rhythm and not be

447
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,919
Speaker 2: able to dance. I can't dance, Like I understand that

448
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 2: I can't dance, but I bob, well, I just just

449
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,640
Speaker 2: got to get a little bob going to the background.

450
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 2: All I could think of was if that music came

451
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Speaker 2: on and you and I were I don't know, fencing,

452
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 2: would we stop fencing and dance. And by the way,

453
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Speaker 2: if you ever wanted to try an Olympic and Paralympic

454
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,919
Speaker 2: Paralympic sport. You could just try fencing. It's fast, safe

455
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 2: and easy to start. Find a beginner class near you

456
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Speaker 2: at USA Fencing or slash try Fencing that USA Fencing

457
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: dot Org slash try Fencing. I love the idea of

458
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: like we're about to go all guard and then all

459
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: of a sudden we just drop it like it's hot.

460
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 2: That's that's what I love. We've got some what what

461
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 2: am I not allowed to say drop it like it's hot?

462
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 1: Now? Is that you got rules for days over there?

463
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 5: No, you would have said, shaked that thing like he

464
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 5: was just singing.

465
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Speaker 2: I suppose no, no, no, it's a different song. I know,

466
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: but I just think shake that thing. It's just it

467
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: just doesn't work or shake that thing doesn't work for me.

468
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 2: Drop it like it's hot. That you know, for you,

469
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 2: drop it I can't.

470
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Speaker 1: Find Let's see if this is working for you.

471
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Speaker 2: We are breaking news this morning from Adam Schefter Schefty

472
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Speaker 2: tweeting out.

473
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Speaker 1: Utah coach Kyle.

474
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Speaker 2: Winningham has emerged as the focus of the University of

475
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Speaker 2: Michigan's coaching search. That's actually, according to Dan Wetzel and

476
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: Pete demmall, so, I got a bunch of people in

477
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Speaker 2: on this.

478
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Speaker 1: This is like the coach of the week. I don't know.

479
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Speaker 2: It just feels like every week we hear somebody else

480
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,719
Speaker 2: has emerged as the focus, and then you know, before

481
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 2: it was Dillingham, and then all of a sudden he

482
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: was no longer the focus when he got a big,

483
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: a big race. Now it does seem it sounds more

484
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: and more like this is on the precipice of likely happening.

485
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Speaker 2: I don't know's it's a name, it's a name. I

486
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: don't know that this, you know, suddenly moves the needle

487
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: to some greatness, but it's certainly of everything.

488
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Speaker 1: That was left.

489
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Speaker 2: You know that this is a name that's accomplished a lot.

490
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Speaker 2: Kyle Whitningham's accomplished a lot for Utah. They've been a

491
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Speaker 2: solid football program year and a year out without nearly

492
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Speaker 2: the nil stuff that he'll get at Michigan.

493
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Speaker 1: So it seems like a good hire. Sure I'm fine

494
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Speaker 1: with it.

495
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Speaker 4: Sure I think that.

496
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Speaker 5: I mean, the Michigan thing is complex, really complex. So

497
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 5: you have a circumstance and obviously the tragedy that is

498
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Speaker 5: the Sharon More story. You don't have the opening without

499
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Speaker 5: all of the things that led up to that, and

500
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Speaker 5: that's an all gooing investigation. It also puts the athletic

501
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 5: director ward manual squarely in the sites of well, what

502
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 5: have you been doing during your time on the job?

503
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 5: Was their proper oversight because Sharon Moore's incident apparently was

504
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 5: not I mean, that was an extreme, the one that

505
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 5: ultimately saw him arrested, but apparently there have been multiple

506
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 5: instances of some level of behavior that is unbecoming that

507
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 5: that of a coach in his situation or really anybody,

508
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 5: right and no matter what your profession is, with this

509
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 5: most recent incident being the extreme, the ward ward manual

510
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 5: is currently being investigated by not just a president of Michigan,

511
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 5: but the interim president at Michigan. So you're dealing with

512
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 5: potentially a lame duck ad hiring for a job that

513
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 5: is very, very complicated in an athletic department that has

514
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 5: had multiple scandals in multiple sports. You're talking about basketball,

515
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 5: You're talking about football, with multiple instances at this point in.

516
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: Time, some more severe than others.

517
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 5: The Sharon Moore is not the Harball thing, but still

518
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 5: like these are huge infractions on across basically every category

519
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 5: that you could have a scandal in in multiple sports

520
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 5: and it's all being presided over by an interim president

521
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Speaker 5: of the university. Kyle Whittingham was it Utah in a

522
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 5: very stable situation for twenty one years, and Michigan really

523
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 5: felt like they screwed this up because they were just

524
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 5: assuming that they would be able to get Kaitlin de Boor.

525
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Speaker 4: It feels like externally, I'm not there.

526
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Speaker 5: I don't have in depth reporting and just reading what

527
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 5: is being reported by people who are credible on the situation,

528
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 5: but it seems like FITZI, you brought up Kyle Whittingham, Kyle,

529
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Speaker 5: or excuse me, you brought up Kenny Dillingham.

530
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Speaker 4: Wrong Ham. Kenny Dillingham roam.

531
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Speaker 5: Was said that neither he nor his representation had any

532
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 5: contact or any kind of offer from Michigan because I

533
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 5: think Kenny Dillingham has been pretty transparent about the idea

534
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 5: that he would have had to listen because of the

535
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 5: kind of scope and the kind of.

536
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Speaker 4: Resources that Michigan has.

537
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Speaker 5: Now he's been very steadfast in his commitment to Arizona.

538
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 5: He's from there, he grew up with that university's backyard.

539
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 5: He's out here, you know, basically basically pandering for somebody

540
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 5: in the state of Arizona to write him a twenty

541
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 5: million dollars sex so he can be Michigan, right, But

542
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 5: he has not been shy about the idea that he

543
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 5: would have had to listen had Michigan made him a

544
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Speaker 5: real offer. We all just assumed that Kenny Dillingham would

545
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 5: make sense. We tried to basically manifest that he was

546
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Speaker 5: a candidate externally, because what else could they possibly be

547
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Speaker 5: doing other than to hope that Debor would fall out

548
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 5: of favor at Alabama. And now Debor is advancing in

549
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: Michigan's throwing their hands up and be like, all right,

550
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 5: we'll take the guy that just up outright left Utah

551
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 5: after twenty one years because we don't know what else

552
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 5: to do here. Kyle Whittingham is not a long term solution,

553
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 5: by the way.

554
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 4: He's not. He's not super long in the tooth.

555
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 5: I'll look up his exact age, but he's definitely been

556
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 5: doing this for a long time, and I would not

557
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 5: expect him to be somebody at sixty six years old

558
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 5: that is going to be a long term solution for

559
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Speaker 5: the University of Michigan.

560
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: I mean, think about it, sixty six years old just

561
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: step down from Utah. His last game is supposed to

562
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Speaker 2: be the Las Vegas Ball on December thirty. First step

563
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: down at Utah. He stepped down, but maybe it clear

564
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: he wasn't done coaching. He was just done at Utah,

565
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: and Utah had already named sort of a coach in

566
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: waiting process for him. So you're right, this isn't a

567
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: ten year fix, Like you're not getting somebody that's going

568
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: to lead the program forever. You're getting somebody that's going

569
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: to lead the program for now and then try and

570
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: figure out how to bridge this gap. So it is okay.

571
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Speaker 2: I think to say with some of these hires that

572
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: it's the best case out of a bad case scenario. Right,

573
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: Like this is no no slam on Kyle Whittingham. It's

574
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Speaker 2: he's a good coach, and he's a respect to coach

575
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: and he's done good things at Utah. I don't think

576
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: when this entire process started the day that the season ended,

577
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: if we and again we didn't know that all the

578
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: sharo more stuff was going to happen after the hiring cycle,

579
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: you know, it made it difficult to get a coach late.

580
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: A fine All of these things are true, like I

581
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: understand the why. I'm just saying that if we go

582
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: back to the last day the game, the day of

583
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: the game, all right, Ohio State wins, and then we

584
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: could sit there and say, Okay, of all of the

585
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: people not named Sharon Moore in all of college football

586
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: that you could pick to be the next head football

587
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: coach of Michigan, how do we feel about Kyle Winningham.

588
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: If you had stacked it up that way at the

589
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: end of the season, there would have been a laundry

590
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: list of.

591
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: Names much higher.

592
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: So I think it's okay to admit, hey, they got

593
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: the best guy that they could get right here, But

594
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: also that wouldn't be how anybody had even wanted the situation. Like,

595
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: sometimes you can't change the cards that you're dough, but

596
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: certainly that doesn't mean that when you're dealt the cards,

597
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: you can't look around and say, man, this is going

598
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: to be a tough hand.

599
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: To make a winner out of this.

600
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Speaker 2: Feel like remembering that the only thing Michigan is going

601
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: to be judged by, or supposedly national championships and you know,

602
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: the ability to win the game. Can you turn around

603
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: and out, Coach Ryan Day, can you turn around in

604
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: this environment. Can Kyle Winningham be a better coach than

605
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, than Dan Lanning, go up and down the list,

606
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: you know, does he compete at that level? If the

607
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: answer is no, then long term that's not going to

608
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: be good enough for Michigan.

609
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 5: Well, and it's important to remember that this is not

610
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 5: There is information that tells us it is trending in

611
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 5: the direction of Michigan hiring Kyle Whittingham. Kyle Whittingham has

612
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 5: not been hired by Michigan. This is a circumstance where

613
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 5: while it is it seems like it's the most likely outcome.

614
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 5: Michigan is such a wild card as far as like

615
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 5: what's going on from an infrastructure standpoint, that Kyle Whittingham

616
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 5: could get further along in this process, discover some new

617
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 5: information or have some new information disclosed to him or

618
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 5: his representation find out something new. There could be a

619
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 5: curve in this that leaves Michigan without Kyle Whittingham for

620
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 5: whatever reason. Like I almost think that's more likely than

621
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 5: them just getting Kyle Whittingham at this point, even though

622
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 5: if you're him it makes a lot of sense. This

623
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 5: would immediately be the best opportunity that Kyle Whittingham has

624
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 5: ever had in his professional career. And to your point,

625
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 5: like the kind of Michigan or the kind of money

626
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 5: that Michigan has, I would put up put it up

627
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 5: against anybody in the country. I mean, this is Larry

628
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 5: Ellison type of money. This is this is you know,

629
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 5: a richest man in the world, founder of Oracle type

630
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 5: of money. Like this is real, real resources, truly deep

631
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: pockets at every possible or in every possible way that

632
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 5: you would want. Your excuse would not be your if

633
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 5: you did not win. It would not be for a

634
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: lack of resources that have been invested into the program.

635
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 5: I want to see how this plays out a little

636
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 5: more because it's just the latest information that it's trending

637
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 5: in this direction.

638
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 4: But I don't I think it's anything but a lock.

639
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: Is to say about modern college football that the reason

640
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: I feel like this is probably gonna happen is because

641
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: Kyle Winningham already left the Utah job. There isn't somebody

642
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: to go out and say, I will match that. Like,

643
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: it is wild to me whether Dillingham actually heard from Michigan,

644
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: because there's been so many different reports on it, and

645
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: you know, whatever we've seen so far Michigan has become

646
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: a bargaining chip for people to stay where they are

647
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: for more money.

648
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: Like that that is wild.

649
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: So like, the funny thing is that Kyle Whitningham choosing

650
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: to step away from Utah might be the very reason

651
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: that he's actually attainable by Michigan because Utah can't come

652
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: in and match.

653
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: It, or won't come in and match it in this situation.

654
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: It's just I can't believe that Michigan is swimming in

655
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: these waters, right because to your point, this is the

656
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: undeniable thing about modern college football. Michigan's a better job

657
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: than many jobs. It's a better platform than many platforms,

658
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: it's a better fan base than many fan base, it's

659
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: a better Saturday experience with more money, it's a better brand,

660
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: and it's a better all of these things. But and

661
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: there's a butt to this. If you can turn around

662
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: and make basically the same money and quality of life,

663
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: says you'd rather live in Arizona. In modern college football,

664
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: you don't need the Michigan kick, Like don't you no

665
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: longer need one of the premier gigs in college football

666
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: to be paid like a premier coach? And that is

667
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: a different world. For competitive nature. For when you talk

668
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: about the contract for all of these coaches, like the

669
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: fact that you don't need Michigan's money, you can keep

670
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: that money and just not have to live in ann Arbor.

671
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: You can choose to live in Arizona.

672
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: Like that's just a different world than existed in college

673
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: football five, seven, ten years ago.

674
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: Oh oh, of course.

675
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 5: And there's the biggest question that I have around this

676
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 5: is one, how much money are they going to make this?

677
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 5: Is it worth it alone for Kyle Whittingham just to

678
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 5: be the Michigan coach or is there a certain level

679
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 5: of Hey, we're to pay you more than you've ever

680
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 5: paid been paid in your professional career. We're going to

681
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 5: be more financial security than you've ever had because we

682
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 5: understand that we have to give you certain assurances about

683
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 5: what this job is or basically find a way to

684
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: make you feel better about this. Maybe he doesn't need this,

685
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 5: Maybe he doesn't need that level of assurance. Maybe it's

686
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 5: enough for him to be the coach of Michigan and

687
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: to compete in the Big Ten and to you know,

688
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 5: compete in some of the biggest college football games and

689
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 5: one of the biggest college football conferences and have the

690
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 5: opportunity to. I mean, I'm not saying that you're gonna

691
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 5: be up there with Ryan Day or it's crazy to

692
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 5: say Kurt Signetti at Indiana or anything like this.

693
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: Signetti, Yeah, you're right, right.

694
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 5: Because that's that's kind of where he's at right now.

695
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 5: But it's it is, it's almost it's a different version

696
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 5: of the Penn State thing because pennstand Penn State scret

697
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 5: around and still ended up with a better option than

698
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 5: their circumstance or their timeline.

699
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 4: Probably saw that they deserved.

700
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 5: Right for them to end up with the Iowa state

701
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: coach Matt Campbell, given how long it took for them

702
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 5: to get there and the kind of pitfalls that they

703
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 5: experienced where it was reported or I think the athletic

704
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 5: director may have even mentioned that he had the wrong

705
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 5: number or a different number for the representation of Matt

706
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 5: Campbell and so they just weren't able to get a

707
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 5: hold of Matt.

708
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 4: Campbell or in the process.

709
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's something that actually happened or

710
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: something that you just say, or speculation on message boards

711
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 5: or whatever the case may be. There's been a bunch

712
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 5: of different things out there at this point in time.

713
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 5: But does Michigan have to go above and beyond to

714
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 5: get Kyle Whittingham to say yes? Or is this just

715
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 5: going to be a situation where it's the best opportunity

716
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 5: that a coach that's been at a place that he

717
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 5: can that he has had basically full control over for

718
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 5: a long long time to get the best opportunity that

719
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 5: he's ever going to have in his professional career. I

720
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 5: don't know, we'll see, but's it's certainly it's certainly a

721
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 5: fascinating science experiment heading into the next season.

722
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: And it all speaks to something that you know, I

723
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: consistently say, if the only goal for success, the only

724
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: metric for success is national championships, just take a look

725
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: around and realize how few coaches in college football actually

726
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: have one, and you realize how difficult it is. Yeah,

727
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: you've got You've got Kirby and you've got Ryan Day.

728
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: That's it.

729
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: You've got Kirby and Ryan Day. So everybody else, Lane

730
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: Kiffin all the way down to Kyle wedding, and everybody

731
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: else is just trying to figure out how to get there.

732
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,960
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756
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm Jason fitz Bucket Fits hanging out with you on

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00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. My favorite thing

758
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: is the face that Buck makes anytime I whisper. It's

759
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: just a life ism. You all just learn this right

760
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: out of the gates. Anything that you say, that's normal.

761
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: If you whisper it, suddenly it's weird. Like if I

762
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: look at Buck on FaceTime as we're doing the show

763
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: and I say, Man, I like your beard today, not weird.

764
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: If I say, hy, Buck, I like your beard today, weird.

765
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: It's just amazing like that little, one little nuance makes

766
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: everything different.

767
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: Anything like that, But thank you all.

768
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 5: My ears feel violated every time you do that, and

769
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 5: it's worse. It's made worse because I love this song

770
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: and Mary is killed at today with the music, and

771
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 5: each time you have violated the sanctity of my ear

772
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 5: drums with whispers of sweet sweet nothing into my ear.

773
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: I love this song. All right.

774
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: If you're listening to us for the first time, you should.

775
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: Hang out with us every Saturday from six to eight

776
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: pm on Fox Sports Radio, Buck Rising, Jason Fitza and

777
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: we'll be back right here for two pros next Friday.

778
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: So we're all over the Fox Sports lineup over the

779
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: course of the next week. Hang out with us. We'll

780
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: be on a bunch as we get through all of this.

781
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: But we have you you looked at our schedule. I mean, wait,

782
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: we are literally all over this damn frequency. I can

783
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: either confirm nor deny. I think Mary said earlier that

784
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: she's going to cancel all of her plans just to

785
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: hang out with us every single shift because we're so

786
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: much fun and we're her favorites. I can either confirm

787
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: nor deny.

788
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: I can kind of arrange that. I think, come on, now,

789
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: let's go.

790
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 5: Look at That's as much affirmation as Mary's ever given

791
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 5: anybody in her entire life.

792
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that is one hundred percent.

793
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: We had every single show with the same single greatest

794
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: game show in the history of sports talk radio.

795
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: Buck, Are you ready for it? It is time for good.

796
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: Rather that was so bad, it's getting worse. It's not

797
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: getting better. Patrick, you got questions for us? What do

798
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: we got?

799
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: Oh?

800
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I do, all right?

801
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 6: So, boys, would you rather never be able to use

802
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 6: the internet again or never be able to watch TV

803
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 6: slash movies again?

804
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: And that's a tough one for.

805
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 5: Me too, Oh, I'd probably My profession requires that I

806
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 5: use the internet, so I would have to change the

807
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 5: way that I do my job, I guess. But I

808
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 5: feel like I would have such a blessed, more peaceful

809
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: existence without the Internet with movies and TV. I feel

810
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 5: like that's it's not as essential for information, but you

811
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 5: could still get you could get by. You just maybe

812
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 5: a beat slower to everything else, which is fine.

813
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 4: I don't mind. I'd having a slower pace of life.

814
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: If I lose the Internet, I can be blissfully ignorant

815
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: to everybody. I kind of love that I'll take away

816
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: the Internet, even though it does take away my single

817
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: greatest life skill, which is just immediately looking up anything anything.

818
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: Like the minute somebody starts speculating in fun conversation at

819
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: any party, I'm the worst. I kill every party because

820
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: immediately I google it. I'm like, I got the answer

821
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: the next topic. I got the answer on this already,

822
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: So it would it would eliminate my ability to tell

823
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: everybody how wrong they are. But I prefer to never

824
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: have to deal with it again, So I take I'd rather,

825
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: I'd rather lose the Internet.

826
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: I think, Patrick, what do you got for now?

827
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 3: Hey?

828
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 4: Guys?

829
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: Guess what? Well?

830
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: What? Yeah?

831
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 4: Oh?

832
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: We got the wheel? The wheel is spinning.

833
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: I knew something was missing.

834
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 6: The wheel has spun everybody. The next one we have up?

835
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 6: Would you rather have a rewind button or a pause

836
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 6: button for your life.

837
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: Oh, a pause button.

838
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: I need a pause but I don't like I'm not

839
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: a person that looks back very often, and I don't

840
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time looking forward. I need the

841
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: ability to press pause where everybody else stops, and I

842
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: could just yell for no reason, like when somebody's just

843
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: such an idiot that you just like you want you know.

844
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm at this spot in my life where.

845
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: I'm taking the Keanu Reeves approach, Like if somebody wants

846
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: to tell me one plus one is three, I can't

847
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: change their mind anymore. But especially in the modern climate

848
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: we live in, I just want to be able to

849
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: press pause and then scream at the top of my

850
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: lungs at how stupid somebody is, but not get in

851
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: trouble for it by unpausing it afterwards.

852
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have regret necessarily.

853
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: You'd have to have a soul to have regret. Oh

854
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: that was no, there's the line. We found the line.

855
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 5: I'm disappointed, But I just I find the usefulness of

856
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 5: a pause button. Like beyond that and maybe you know,

857
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 5: pausing everybody else around you to punch somebody in the

858
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 5: face to further express your frustrations, like I feel like

859
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 5: the limitations of the pause button do not outweigh how

860
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 5: many more things you could accomplish with rewind, So I

861
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: probably go rewind.

862
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, spin it, spin it marry.

863
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 4: All right?

864
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 6: Next up, next one up here, guys, would you rather

865
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 6: always smell like cheese or always have the taste of

866
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 6: burnt toast in your mouth?

867
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: Oh? What kind of cheese? Uh?

868
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: You know what that is? Up to your interpretation. Any

869
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: cheese you want.

870
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I probably burnt toast in my mouth.

871
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: I don't.

872
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 5: I don't hate burnt like the taste of burnt things.

873
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: I'm okay with that, Like I can.

874
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 5: I can survive that more than I would be able

875
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 5: to survive the constant smell of cheese, even though cheese

876
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 5: is delightful.

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Speaker 2: I'm stunned by your answer on this, buck because it

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Speaker 2: implies that you care what anybody else thinks, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: if you smell like cheese, don't I think inconveniencing everybody else.

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Speaker 2: I think this all comes down to the fact that

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Speaker 2: you're afraid if you smell like cheese, you'll never get

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Speaker 2: to do the hibitti dibbity again. And like Let's be honest,

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Speaker 2: there's somebody out there that be into it, so like

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Speaker 2: you're fine on that. I'd rather smell like cheese than

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Speaker 2: I burnt toasts smell like I don't care if y'all

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Speaker 2: think I smell bad, that's all's problem. We will be

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow hanging out with you from six to eight pm.

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Speaker 2: If you enjoyed this, I hope you did. Merry Christmas, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to Bucking Fits