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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're talking about the Home Alone director's

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Speaker 1: thoughts on reboots of Home Alone and more. It is news. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I am is Jason Sepsion and I'm Rosie Night and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to xt revision of the podcast Vibe is

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Speaker 1: Your Favorite Shoes, movies, comments and pop culture. Comingy from

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Speaker 1: My Heart podcast, where we're bringing you three episodes a

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Speaker 1: week plus news.

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Speaker 2: It's news plus news. In today's previously on episode, we

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Speaker 2: are catching you up on all the biggest geeky news

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Speaker 2: of the week, including, oh, a little bit of reality

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Speaker 2: TV news, guys. A new version of The Traitors I

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Speaker 2: would say probably the most popular new addition to the

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Speaker 2: reality TV Smorgas Board is coming to NBC and there

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Speaker 2: is a twist. And we got some juicy new DL's

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Speaker 2: about the Fallout TV show new season, and of course

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Speaker 2: a few other stories too. And we will be introducing

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Speaker 2: a new segment that I'm sure you guys will have

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun with. So let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the headlines. First up, Superman sourced the

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Speaker 1: digital ahead of the release of Peacemaker on Max. Superman

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Speaker 1: is getting an early digital release. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: available on your desktop or top device of choice on

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Speaker 1: August fifteenth, twenty twenty five. Of course, this is ahead

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Speaker 1: of the season two debut of Peacemaker on August twenty second.

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Speaker 1: James Gonna explain that the quick digital release was specifically

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Speaker 1: to allow people to watch Superman before Peacemaker season two.

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Speaker 1: There must be some tie ins there since the movie serves,

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Speaker 1: he says, as a precursor to the show's events. And

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Speaker 1: of course, well, I almost spoiled a small plot point

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Speaker 1: in the Superman movie. But if you haven't seen the

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Speaker 2: What you're gonna be able to watch the DATO.

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Speaker 1: Recording this on August fifteenth, Go go purchase it right now.

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Speaker 1: Superman has just surpassed three hundred and thirty one million

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Speaker 1: domestic It's at five eighty worldwide since its July eleventh release,

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Speaker 1: which feels about the new industry standard for a super

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an interesting one because we were recently

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Speaker 2: amount after a release. So I think this is interesting choice.

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Speaker 2: But it makes sense because it's clear that Superman is

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Speaker 2: really obviously important to Peacemaker. They're saying that, like Green Lantern,

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Speaker 2: Guy Gardiner will be in it, Hawkgirl in it, be

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Speaker 2: in it, Maxwell Lord will be in it. Honestly, I

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Speaker 2: think that the way the show and the Shared Universe works,

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Speaker 2: That's the point of all of this, I get it.

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Speaker 2: I think that Superman has had a solid theatrical run.

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Speaker 2: I'll be interested to see if they keep it in

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Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see how successfully DC are able

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Speaker 2: show will be very interesting to see if Peacemaker pulls

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Speaker 2: will it happen? I don't know, Jason, what do you think.

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Speaker 1: I think they will see a slight pump, but I

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Speaker 1: has The Traders coming to NBC with a much asked

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Speaker 1: show that's basically like an adaptation of the party game Mafia.

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Speaker 1: But the difference between the American version of Traders and

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Speaker 2: And I think the thing that's really fun about Traitors

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Speaker 2: some reality TV shows. Obviously, like The Bachelor. We've never

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Speaker 1: Fallout Season two is coming, and guess what, it's what

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Speaker 1: The poster art reveal has come out, and it's just

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Speaker 1: very very excited. Now. This show will take place after

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be. It's gonna take place after obviously, like

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Speaker 1: Up next. Columbus, director of the original Home Alone, says

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Speaker 2: Because there has been multiple like sequels and reboots, and

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Speaker 2: I shade him all the time, but this Chris Columbus.

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Speaker 2: But the Home Sweet Home Alone, which was the kind

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Speaker 2: what happens to Kevin McCallister after he does that, Like

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Speaker 2: do something crazy if you're going to reboot it, because

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Speaker 2: Hello, Robert Kirkman and David Finch, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 3: Couldn't be better. Happy to be here, very excited though

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Speaker 3: Yeah, David and I met at Marvel Comics when we

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Speaker 4: It was an incredible amount of fun after working on

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I would do anything that David

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Speaker 3: be okay with me. And I try to make sure

434
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: that my projects are as different as possible. I think

435
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: that if you look at my body of work, you

436
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: can see that they're not all alike. They're all very different,

437
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: and hopefully by design, they feel like they could be

438
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 3: by different writers. I like to do different things and

439
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: challenge myself to explore different things, and and yeah, I

440
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: haven't done a fantasy, sci fi kind of thing before,

441
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: and so you know, I'm a huge fan of you know,

442
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: Codam the Barbarian and the movie Apocalypto and Mad Max

443
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 3: Fury Road, and I wanted to do something that was

444
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 3: like very action oriented and but but you know, art

445
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: forward and simple and you know, very much based on visuals.

446
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 3: But something that just kept making me excited about this

447
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 3: story was the humanity of it and the emotion that

448
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 3: these characters feel and what they're going through and the

449
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: challenges that they face. I think this is a very

450
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: relatable story, and it's a very human story despite the

451
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: fact that it's more or less about monsters on an

452
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: alien world.

453
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: David, you mentioned kind of the extensive work that you've

454
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: done for the Big Two. How fun is it to

455
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 2: really get to build a world on your own, like

456
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: alongside Robert. But this has not gotam This is not Metropolis,

457
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 2: this is not something that's existed before this first issue.

458
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: You really get to go out there and bring a

459
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: new world to the reader. So what was that like?

460
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: It was?

461
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 4: It was great. It's scary to do and so often

462
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 4: when I'm designing things, I feel like I'm just making

463
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 4: things up, like none of this is real, you know,

464
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 4: like it's hard for it to feel real. You know,

465
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 4: hopefully that makes sense. But I also had a lot

466
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 4: of influences that I brought into it. This is such

467
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 4: a different kind of project for me. I've never done

468
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 4: anything remotely like it, And I looked at a lot

469
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 4: of Michael Koaluda and Pee Craig Russ and Bertie writes,

470
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: and I was able to try things that I just

471
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: never really had a chance to try before. So while

472
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 4: I got to design so many things, you know, I

473
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 4: had a lot of help from some incredible artists over

474
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: the years that have been big influences too.

475
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned that feeling of like, when you're creating

476
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: something like this, it's almost hard for it to feel

477
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: real because there's so much expanse possibility. There's so many

478
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: different alien spaces, there's so many different creatures. What was

479
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: the moment when you were drawing Issue one where the

480
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: world really started to feel real to you and kind

481
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: of textured.

482
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 4: You know, probably after about ten pages or so, I

483
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 4: started to get more comfortable with characters and more comfortable

484
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 4: with I had drawn enough of the world that it

485
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 4: started to feel like a real thing to me. When

486
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: I read the script, it could be anything, and then

487
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: when I make a choice, I'm throwing away so many

488
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 4: things that I didn't choose. And it's always kind of

489
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 4: in the back of my head when I start something

490
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 4: that it could have been it could have been better,

491
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: you know, it could always be better, And that's I

492
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: think what makes it difficult just starting. And when I

493
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: say that it doesn't feel real, I think that's what

494
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 4: I mean is I don't know if it's something I'm

495
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: explaining well at all.

496
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: No, I think it's really interesting and people who listen

497
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: to the to this podcast, they love to hear people

498
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: talking about their creative process and how things are made

499
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: and how you work with people. And I think that,

500
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: especially with a book like this is so visually intricate,

501
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: it's really interesting to hear you kind of pass creating

502
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: it because it feels very whole. When you read skin

503
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: Breaking number one, it feels like a world that you

504
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: guys have lived in, and especially with you know, Analyst's

505
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: incredible colors and Ross's great letters and stuff. So no, no,

506
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: I appreciate you digging into it.

507
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

508
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Robert you How did it feel to take that nugget,

509
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 2: take those nine years of trying to you know, make

510
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: a connection with this brilliant artist and make this book together.

511
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: What did it feel like to start getting those pages

512
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: back and start getting the sketches back and start to

513
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: see the world come to life?

514
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's the best. It's the absolute. I mean,

515
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: it's the reason I do what I do, the getting

516
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: those pages in, you know, seeing the book coming to life.

517
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: Being able to write haphazard paragraphs describing insane images and

518
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: then get them printed into beautiful works of art. It's

519
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: the real thrill that drives me as a as a writer.

520
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: So to have something as nebulous as an idea is

521
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: when you're first writing the script and you're first having

522
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: the conversation suddenly be solid and real and something you

523
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: can stare at is always moving and always like life

524
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: changing and life affirming for me. And so it's it's really,

525
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: it really is the thing that drives me to keep

526
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: doing what I'm doing. Uh. You know, you have that

527
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: epiphany where you think to yourself, if I if I

528
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: write more, I get more art in from the artists.

529
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: So I think I'm going to write more this This

530
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: is exciting. So so yeah, it's it's a huge, huge

531
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 3: part of my life and being as as huge a

532
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: fan as of David's work as I am. Uh, and

533
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: then to for the first time be getting pages back

534
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: from him that I wrote really moving and just really

535
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: exciting and and definitely the culmination of you know, many

536
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: many years of you know, working and and and uh,

537
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: you know, trying to find the time to do something

538
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: with him, and it's great to finally be here.

539
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and something that I'm really interested in that you

540
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: kind of talked about there for a minute earlier. It

541
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: was like you're always writing comics, right, the comic writing shark.

542
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: I like that you're always going forward. I would love

543
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: for you to talk a little bit about why comics

544
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: are still so important to you, because I think a

545
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: lot of people who'd have a massive success with a

546
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: lot of people may assume that once you've had massive

547
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: success with adaptations, and you've even managed to have multiple

548
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: lives in that space, from The Walking Dead to Invincible,

549
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: why do comics? Why are comics always still something that

550
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: you come back to.

551
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: I mean because I love comics. That's what I wanted

552
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: to do when I was a kid. I didn't say, hey,

553
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: I want to work on a TV show when I

554
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: get older, I want to make movies or anything like that.

555
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: I wanted to make comics. Comics weren't a consolation prize

556
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: for me. Comics were the goal. I think there's a

557
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: lot of self loathing people in comics that would love

558
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: to be doing something else. I can't wait to get

559
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: through these comics so that I can go direct a

560
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: film or write it for TV, or yeah, work on

561
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: a novel or whatever. And I am not that comics

562
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: were the end goal for me, to be completely honest,

563
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: I am the co showrunner on the Invincible television show.

564
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: Right now, it is a necessary evil. It is a

565
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 3: thing that I have to do because I have the opportunity,

566
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: and I do love the characters and I do love

567
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: working on it. But there is not a minute when

568
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: I am working on Invincible where I'm not thinking to myself,

569
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: I'd rather just be writing comics right now. And that's

570
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: not to say it's not fun and that I don't

571
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: enjoy working on it. I do enjoy working on it,

572
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: not as much as I do working on comics.

573
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Comics are a pretty magical and unique space, especially when,

574
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: like you were saying, in a story like this, you

575
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: get to write a paragraph and then somebody like David

576
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: gets to interpret and create a whole new life in

577
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: a way that we don't often get to see.

578
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: And if you do that in a TV show, you

579
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: have to have meetings and you have to describe the paragraph,

580
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: and you have to talk to somebody about what you're

581
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: going to do with the paragraphs the paragraph, They give

582
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: you iterations of the paragraph, and then you have to

583
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: have notes, meetings to It's just it's tedious. It's very tedious.

584
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: Comics are a lot more direct David. You talked a

585
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 2: little bit about some of those creators that had, you know,

586
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: inspired you andarticularly with this story, like people like Bernie Wright. So,

587
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: but going back a little bit further, like do you

588
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: remember the first comic book that made you feel really

589
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: excited and want to be maybe in that space or

590
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: think like, oh, this is something I want to do.

591
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: I want to pissue this the first comic that made

592
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 4: me And there were there were a few. My sister

593
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: read comics. I me a year younger, and I used

594
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: to steal her books and so I got whatever it

595
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: was that she she got. The first one that really

596
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: resonated for me and made me a fan of superhero

597
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 4: comics was X Men by John Byrne and Chris Claremont.

598
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 4: It didn't make me want to draw comics, so just

599
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: because John Byrne's art with Terry Austin inking it's so

600
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: precise and clean and consistent, never occurred to me that

601
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: I could do it at all. It just it was

602
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: just too far out of reach.

603
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: It was.

604
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: And I told Marx Sevestri this because it was Marx

605
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: Vestry art. He drew X Men quite a bit after,

606
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 4: but it was his work on x Men and Wolverine

607
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: that made me want to draw comics. He's being inked

608
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: by Dan Green. It was a more fluid, looser style,

609
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: and it seemed more approachable to me, And I think

610
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: I might have offended. I'm saying that because it's I learned.

611
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: My lesson the kind of work that he does is

612
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: it's not easy at all, but it seemed that way.

613
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: It just maybe it's more how my brain worked, and

614
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: so that's what really got me drawing, is looking at

615
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 4: that work. It was right around when Image was just starting.

616
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 4: Went to the comic store and I wanted to get

617
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: more Wolverine from Ox Vestry, but he was already gone.

618
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 4: He was doing Cybo Force, and so I got Spawn

619
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 4: and young Blood and it was such an exciting time

620
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: because I'm an image comics artist at heart.

621
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: That's where I started and it's what I.

622
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: Love the most, and so and I realized this is

623
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: what I want to do when I saw that work.

624
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's been that ever since for me.

625
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: And I'm sure, like I think Mark's like one of

626
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: the kindest people in comics, and I'm sure that he

627
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: also understood like the peel of image at that time

628
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: was actually that young, upstart mindset, the looseness, the free

629
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: that feeling. It's not it was a it was an energy,

630
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: you know. I even remember I was a little little kid,

631
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: and I still remember how much that kind of came through.

632
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: So I love that that was your way in and

633
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: now you know, with back again with this skybound creator

634
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: owned in this space. So what is it then like

635
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: for you two now to be as people who I

636
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: know both did come up as fans obviously Robert, We've

637
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: even talked about that before. But what does it feel

638
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: like now to be authoring this story that is so different,

639
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: that is in this creator own space together, Like what

640
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: does that feel like?

641
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: David Well, I do want to point out that I

642
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 4: did not author this at all.

643
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: No, no, sorry, sorry, I mean author in the sense

644
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: of like you're both making it together, like not writing.

645
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: Sorry sorry, But I.

646
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: Do want to say this is this is Robert's story

647
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 4: one hundred percent. I really don't. I had an influence

648
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: in the visuals, and I'm very proud of that and

649
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 4: I'm very grateful that I was able to do that.

650
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Speaker 4: But working with a great writer, for me, it's just

651
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Speaker 4: always it's a privilege, And so I want the story

652
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Speaker 4: to be what it was originally intended to be. And

653
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Speaker 4: I just I don't see it as my role to

654
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Speaker 4: try and push ideas on a story or try and

655
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Speaker 4: push it in directions. I think it's you know, it's

656
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Speaker 4: a great story to start, So I do want to

657
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Speaker 4: say that.

658
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Speaker 2: You're like, it's a good story. You're like, that's why

659
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Speaker 2: I did it. I liked it, and that isn't that

660
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Speaker 2: nice to hear of it?

661
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Speaker 3: It's very nice to hear. But I think David is

662
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 3: being you know, his way is to be overly humble.

663
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I wrote a word document that no one

664
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: is ever going to want to look at that that

665
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Speaker 3: was my contribution to this project. I'm very proud of

666
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: the story, and I think it holds together very well,

667
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: and I'm so thrilled with these characters. But there's so

668
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: much more to these characters than the words that they

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Speaker 3: say or the descriptions of what they're doing. And even

670
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: you know, having written that, there's so much of this

671
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Speaker 3: book that David influenced through drawing the book. And I

672
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: was writing it as he was drawing it, because I

673
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: was giving him, you know, ten to twenty page chunks

674
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Speaker 3: sometimes less. Let's not out me right now, David.

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Speaker 2: But David's clearly a collaborator. He is not going to

676
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Speaker 2: out you. But if you want to say, what the

677
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Speaker 2: short is the Mountains?

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Speaker 3: There might have been some three page scripts I don't remember,

679
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: but yeah, the story was evolving as he was drawing it,

680
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: and I was taking as much inspiration from what he

681
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 3: was drawing to move forward as he was taking from

682
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: the scripts to draw it. This book was a true

683
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Speaker 3: collaboration in every sense of the word.

684
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that comes across. I was, honestly, David.

685
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: I've read so much your work, and this still, to

686
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: me just felt like I was seeing something entirely new,

687
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: the level of intricacy and especially the creature work and

688
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: the world and I love Could you talk a little

689
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: bit about the color palette? Like, was that Anna Lisa

690
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Speaker 2: Leoni's Like? Was that entirely hers? Did you collaborate on it?

691
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Speaker 2: Did you touch on it? Because it is such a

692
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Speaker 2: unique looking.

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Speaker 4: Book, it is, and that is entirely Ana Lisa, That's

694
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Speaker 4: all her choices. I had actually no concept in my

695
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Speaker 4: head at all about color. Generally, when I'm drawing, I'm

696
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: so focused on the black and white work that it

697
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 4: just becomes like the end all and be all, and

698
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Speaker 4: I don't think beyond that. Also, working with anybody, I

699
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Speaker 4: think that that really knows what they're doing and is

700
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Speaker 4: top of their game. I stay out of their way

701
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Speaker 4: as much as possible, because I can't do what she

702
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: can do it at all. I think me trying to,

703
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: you know, stick my nose in there, would just make it,

704
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Speaker 4: make it worse.

705
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Speaker 2: So well, but all of them feel me and you

706
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: are going to have to become David's cheerleaders for this

707
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: book to be Like, David, you're doing a great job,

708
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Speaker 2: but you really are a massive part of the book.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean to a certain extent. I just handled

710
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Speaker 3: the visuals. It's kind of like, aside from that, how

711
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: was the places Lincoln? Yeah, the visuals are a big part,

712
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 3: and he was responsible for far more than just the visuals.

713
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Speaker 2: But but yeah, David, how did it feel then to

714
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Speaker 2: see Anna when you cause you say, the black and

715
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: white becomes bee all and end all? What does it

716
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: feel like for then you to get to see her

717
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: reinterpretation of the world when she puts those colors onto it.

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Speaker 4: I felt like it really it leveled it up from

719
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Speaker 4: you know, illustration to an immersive world and a very original,

720
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Speaker 4: immersive world. Just the colors that you brought to it

721
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Speaker 4: made it feel different than anything that I've seen. Just

722
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Speaker 4: the patterns and the choices she made were so unusual

723
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Speaker 4: and so unexpected from me. I did find, you know,

724
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Speaker 4: toward the end, I was actually starting to as I

725
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Speaker 4: was drawing the pages, imagine what the colors would be.

726
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Speaker 4: And even then, you know, we would actually get the

727
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Speaker 4: pages back and it would still be a surprise.

728
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Speaker 2: So well, this has been such a long collaboration, and

729
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Speaker 2: then you know, we've kind of talked about different parts

730
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Speaker 2: of it. So I love letting people in to know

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Speaker 2: about how a book gets made. And obviously one of

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Speaker 2: those last and most important parts is the letters. So

733
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Speaker 2: could you I love the way Russ chose to letter this.

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Speaker 2: Could you talk a little bit about Robert about like

735
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Speaker 2: those choices. It's very like manga. I feel like it's

736
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Speaker 2: when you're putting that last collaborator into the book, Like

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Speaker 2: why is that so important? Why did the letters matter?

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Speaker 3: Russ Wooten letters every book that I write. He's definitely

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Speaker 3: my go to preferred letter. I think that his real

740
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Speaker 3: strength is that he can tailor his work to every

741
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Speaker 3: single book. So if you look at his body of work,

742
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Speaker 3: his body of work is somewhat similar to mine in

743
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Speaker 3: that when you look at a book lettered by Russ Wooten,

744
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: you often don't realize it was lettered by Russ Wooten

745
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Speaker 3: because it is a completely different and distinct style. I

746
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: was picking up a comic recently and I thought to

747
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: my I was looking at it, and I thought to myself, ooh,

748
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Speaker 3: Russ Wooten getting a run for his money. I got

749
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Speaker 3: to find out who this guy is. This is some

750
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Speaker 3: really good lettering. And then I went to the credits

751
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Speaker 3: and it was Russ Wooten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

753
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Speaker 3: So I love being able to sit down with him

754
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Speaker 3: and kind of talk about the project and kind of

755
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: just say, okay, I'm thinking, you know, something like this

756
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Speaker 3: for this, and and maybe try this and and and

757
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: watch him you know, and we'd go back and forth.

758
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: He'll send me some examples of what he's thinking about

759
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: doing and some test pages and things, and it is

760
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: always a very streamlined I give him a very brief

761
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Speaker 3: like this is what I'm thinking, and then he sends

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Speaker 3: in some kind of option, and nine times out of

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00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: ten I go, yep, perfect, great run with it. And Yeah,

764
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Speaker 3: we talked about manga and tall balloons because I wanted

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Speaker 3: the balloons to be as compact as possible and take

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Speaker 3: up as little space as possible and giving it that

767
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Speaker 3: like tall oval feel. I thought that that would look

768
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Speaker 3: look the best on the on the work, and and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a it's a really great look, and

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00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: it has really allowed for some strategic placement to kind

771
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: of be kind of tucked away so that it's not

772
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: taking up too much space. But it is very readable

773
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: and very easy for the eye to follow and does

774
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: stand out in the art. And I don't know, it's

775
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: it's a. I think it's a really cool piece of work.

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00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: And I love able to talk about lettering. A lot

777
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: of people don't ask about that stuff.

778
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I've been lucky enough to work with On

779
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: my last Godzilla graphic novel, I worked with Jody Troutman,

780
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: who was just such an unbelievable letterer and like the

781
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: first sample page she ever did, she used my collaborate

782
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: all of our owners incredible artists. She used his logo

783
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: for Godzilla with one of the kids saying when one

784
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: of the kids was saying Godzilla, and I was just

785
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: like yes, like I feel like I'm a little kid

786
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: reading Superman and seeing that. I think it's really important

787
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: because also I think that's a cool space where people

788
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: could get into making comics, even if they're not necessarily

789
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: artistically minded, Like lettering is a really important job, and

790
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: Russ is one of the best. So I think you

791
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: guys put together a really special team. And the book

792
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: is really exciting if our listeners they're going to be

793
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: able to pre order it. Skin Breaking Number one? What

794
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: can you tease about this story, Robert? If you're getting

795
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: them excited, they know it's this fancy on an alien world.

796
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: It's kind of that Swords and Sorcery esque, but it's

797
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: also got those fantasy creatures. But what is the longer

798
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Speaker 2: story of skin Breaking? And it's going to be gosh.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as a tease, I can say that issue

800
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: too gives you a better sense of the scope of

801
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: the storyline, and I do want that to be somewhat

802
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: startling and as you experience it, so I don't want

803
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: to tease it too much. But I love that this

804
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: is a finite story. It's got a beginning, middle, and

805
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: an end. It's not it's not my usual way of

806
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 3: doing comics. I try to do comics that last until

807
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: you hate them. That's that's usually my goal. So so

808
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's you know, this is this is something

809
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: that I think is going to end pretty spectacularly and

810
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: have like a I don't know, a very succinct story

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00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 3: that kind of holds together, which I'm excited about. Uh

812
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 3: But but yeah, there's a lot more brutality and a

813
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: lot more heart and emotion. If you like the first issue,

814
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: there's going to be some some cool stuff that follows

815
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: from that. And I feel like I've done a bad

816
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: job of.

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00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: Teasing a great job I think the idea.

818
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: Until somebody makes me stop to try and compensate.

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Speaker 2: For the fact that I think that this first issue

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00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: has a really interesting and I would say, like quite

821
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: wide scope. So I'm very excited about the concept of

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00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: seeing that change or shift an issue too. It's not

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Speaker 2: something I would imagine. David, just before we finish, is

824
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Speaker 2: there a page or a panel or a moment that

825
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: you're most excited for people to see. You don't have

826
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: to describe the whole thing. You can just be like, yes,

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Speaker 2: maybe coming up here, or is there something about the

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Speaker 2: art that you're just really excited for people to discover.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what there is Actually this is very late.

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Speaker 4: This might be issue seven or so six, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But there's a double page spread of one of the

832
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 4: characters holding up his sword and he's ducking down and

833
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 4: the creature's coming Adam, and the sword cuts through the

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00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: creature and the creatures like splitting in half through the sword. Anyway, Yeah, sound,

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Speaker 4: I mean, these are the pages I had love to

836
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: draw and I get excited about and then the book

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00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 4: comes out and I like all the quiet stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know, But it's the joy of it's the joy

839
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Speaker 2: of comics. We get to do all of it sometimes

840
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: in one issue, which is very magical. But yeah, thank

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Speaker 2: you guys so much for joining us. Always welcome to

842
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: come back. Love to talk comics with you guys, and yeah,

843
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: congrats on skin Breaker. Can't wait to read.

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Speaker 3: More than Thank you so much. It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: That's it for news.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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