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Speaker 1: of have alright, we've got into like okay, so Ronald

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Speaker 1: Janice Poodles? Now yeah, because When I go to have

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Speaker 1: Russell Wolf? You got a brother rufus roof, rufus roof

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Speaker 1: So people are basically saying that, no, you can't corner

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Speaker 1: They don't drive yet, the oldest being seven. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: conversation about if you're out hunting and you, um, if

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Speaker 1: you're out hunting you kill a deer, say, and you're

424
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Speaker 1: in a you're in a no baiting state. You're in

425
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: a no bear baiting state. When you kill a deer

426
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: and the bear starts eating the deer carcasses, that baiting.

427
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: I said, no, This guy says, depends where you are.

428
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: He was hunting and he's from British Columbia. They were

429
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: out hunting moose in northern BC. They had jet boarded

430
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: Upper River to their moose camp. Their bodies have been

431
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: in there a week before and they had killed a

432
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: moose across the river from camp. You could actually see

433
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: the carcass and guppile from the camp. These guys had

434
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Speaker 1: a grizzly tag. This is before the recent uh bann

435
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: on grizz hunting in BC. And halfway through their hunt,

436
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: a British Columbia game warden shows up in a helicopter

437
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: to check them out. He's checking them out. They explained

438
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: they had a grizzy tag. And this gentleman informs them

439
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: that it would be illegal for them to shoot a

440
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: bear on that kill, and that would be regarded as

441
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: baiting a bear since it was a hunter killed carcass.

442
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: If that moose had died of natural causes, it would

443
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: not be baiting. That was the interpretation from the law

444
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: or just these guys, apparently that's the interpretation the law.

445
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: A hunter killed carcass is regarded as bait. A naturally

446
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: killed carcass is not all right. We put that to

447
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: bed kind of in Colorado here, Okay, Colorado, you can't

448
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: bait bears, but you're a okay if you if you

449
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: kill a bear off of your own gut pile this guy.

450
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: This is the last thing on this issue. This guy

451
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: had real gripe with how we were saying ranchers use

452
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: them use the salt licks. He said, he'd like to

453
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: point out that, um, you just oftentimes these salts and

454
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: minerals are distributed by ranchers in order to keep cattle

455
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: away from vital riparian areas to keep and you brought

456
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: this up. You put a salt lick out in order

457
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: to um congregate animals and your fences does all making sense, Doug,

458
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: you run a couple of cattle, Yeah, I run a

459
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: few cattle. You put salt out for him. I put

460
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: white salt and trace mineral salt. Like the salt. I

461
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: have it close to the building, so I don't really

462
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: get too many deer right down to the buildings. But yeah, no,

463
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: of course you're like salt. But um, yeah, the purpose

464
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: for doing it is, I mean, it's a health thing

465
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: one they like salt and the trace minerals. It's what

466
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: do you play some strategically. It doesn't matter in your location.

467
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: You're not dealing with vast acreages. And I put them

468
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: close to a place that I can back the truck

469
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: up to carry it very far. And they're heavy. Right.

470
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: Does anybody here know Haywood Banks, the musician Haywood Banks. Don't.

471
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: Do you have young children? You should look up Haywood Banks.

472
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't have young children. Yeah, such hits as Um,

473
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the world through flies eyes. Dead puppies

474
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: aren't much fun. Do you think you know what I've

475
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: been saying? I think maybe someone else saying dead puppies

476
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: aren't much fun. I was gonna bring up because ny Ronnie,

477
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the dogs, the dogs, the

478
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: dogs with you lost, I've not surprised breeding age. Yeah,

479
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: dogs from my kettle brock it Italian animals. Yeah, two

480
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: of them and one felt swoop and one. Is it

481
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: best your pro Is it best to get into this

482
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: into this tragedy? Is it best your approach through the

483
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: lens of monetary value or through the lens of emotional value? Both?

484
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: Let's start with what you want to start with? Emotional, Yeah,

485
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: emotionally laid out from you emotional Emotionally, we'll talk about

486
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: the strange circumstances under which these dogs perished. So emotionally,

487
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: your dogs become part of your family, just like kids.

488
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: At some days you like some of them better than others,

489
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: but you'll love them all. So the loss of the

490
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: dog is a loss, is a personal loss. So that's

491
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: the emotional part of it. And the traumatic part of

492
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: it then is the way in which they die. There's different.

493
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: Like an example, I gave a German short hair puppy

494
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: to Rusty all of years ago, how many years ago? Twenty? Hello,

495
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: you guys been friends about four but late night and

496
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: back up you gave him what I gave him a

497
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: short hair puppy German short hair puppy one he couldn't

498
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: sell because it had but you weren't a breeder then,

499
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: not a breeder, recreational breeder, recreational breeder and and uh

500
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: his dog died at age six. When the dog wasn't

501
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: he brought it up to my place, no blind and

502
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: we went to the vet. And even though I hadn't,

503
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean I saw the dog once a year, I

504
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: had to go to the vet with him and we

505
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: put the dog down. And that was an emotional So

506
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: the emotional part of it six years old, dog years

507
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: that that strikes, That strikes how old are you, Steve Home.

508
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: I don't like that one. It is sad. Yeah, so

509
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: I was crying for that dog. Even so, the emotional

510
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: loss for that dog tears rolling down your cheek. My

511
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: vet tech she's seen me in there a few times.

512
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: And when I went in there and I was saying

513
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: goodbye to her, they were they were just rolling down

514
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: my face and she looked and she'd never seen me

515
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: crying before bringing dogs in dead or alive. Ruth answered

516
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: this as though around he's not in the room. Was

517
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: the good bird dog? Um? It didn't get enough formal

518
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: training early on but she was she had a will

519
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: of unbelievable, but she was not a real graceful hunter. Yeah.

520
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: So it's like a smart kid that never got to

521
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: go to school. Yeah, alright, so okay, so they're six

522
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: year old dog. I'm just trying to to that's the

523
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: emotional part the what was you rather qu the financial

524
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: part of it? Yeah, because these are high test dogs. Yeah.

525
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: And nowadays, when when you go to feasant Fest and

526
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: walk the floor, which you haven't today, when you when

527
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: you're down there, you're gonna see a bunch of dog

528
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: breeds there. Now, I would venture to say they're all

529
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: within a few hundred dollars of what my dogs cost nowadays.

530
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: But thing was ten years ago my dogs cost twice

531
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: as much as them. So it's definitely because of rarity.

532
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: The rarity because there's not many just like a rare coin.

533
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: You know, you can't get much for nickel when they

534
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: made fifty million nickels in your coin collection. But now

535
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: there people are. The dogs have come up to a

536
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: different price level. So it's just dogs in general, dogs

537
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: and dogs in general. Janni, did you look into that

538
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: long hair? I told you that German long hair. I

539
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: went I looked into it. We went and looked at

540
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: you looked at Yeah. Yeah, bird dogs in general are

541
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: more expensive now like than ever before and way beyond

542
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: like rates of inflation. Yes, what do you attribute that to? Uh,

543
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: most people's emotions and what they want. Just like we're

544
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: able to buy bigger houses than we used to be

545
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: able to, were able to buy more truck with a

546
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: longer payment. I think we just McMansion is kind of mentality.

547
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: There's some exposure, better exposure nowadays though, Right, we didn't

548
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: know anything about hunting dogs when we were hunting back

549
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: in Illinois. And you're right, and people put way more

550
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: weight on health testing, so people are investing more into

551
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: their breeding stock than they used to. So like so

552
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: the ceiling, the ceiling has gone up, but you can

553
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: still go out and get all kinds of free dogs

554
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: at the pound. Right. Yeah. In fact, I'm going to

555
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: interview a guy who only hunts with dogs. He rescues

556
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: from a pound, bird dogs, beagles to that word drives

557
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: me crazy. I don't when you were a kid, you

558
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: went down and to the pound and got a dog.

559
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: Now you go down to the pound and rescue was

560
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: like like she was in the middle of the lake

561
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: and you had to give him a life preserved like

562
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: its mouth. I don't know why. It's like such an

563
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: old man. You think there's certain words that come out

564
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: and be an old many. Yeah, well okay, like used

565
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: to go over to your body's house. Now you have

566
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: a play date. It's like, I don't used to be there, Like, oh,

567
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know that Stevie got a newer Bobby

568
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: got a new dog. Where are you get it here?

569
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't even went down to the pound and got

570
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: a dog. It's like, oh, I rescued this dog. It's

571
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: like that you come in and they got a pistol

572
00:34:52,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: of the dog's head. Throw yourself in front of it. Now,

573
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: right now, you're taking a dog or not. The trap

574
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: door is released and the news comes tight. Now, rescue

575
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: would be a bunch of dogs that we're gonna be

576
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: put down and you break in the night before. I'd

577
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: be like that, don't joke. I rescued the dog. He

578
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: was right outside the gas chamber. We're backing up to

579
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: gurneys out there the crematorium fired up. What sant is?

580
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: I just used that word rescue and I never used

581
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: to use that word rescue. Because it's just like I

582
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: used play date. Now I just gave in, and now

583
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so you know Rosemary is having to

584
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: played it. Yeah, alright. So anyways, the ceiling, like like

585
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: the limit that people are comfortable paying for a dog

586
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: you have seen go up during your time as a dog,

587
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: to even to even a breed that maybe have uh,

588
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: let's say a particular breed that I judge. I see

589
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot of German short hairs. You could find one

590
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: in almost every town in the United States over x

591
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: amount of population. Breeder, even those dogs that you can

592
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: find without traveling to Europe or all the way across

593
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: the country, those dogs, those people have raised the bar

594
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: and they're breeding, their health testing their selection of who

595
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna breed, and they're like, my dogs are worth

596
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: that too. And once you can't find a five short

597
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: are you're gonna pay fifteen dar for a short hair.

598
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: So that's what a run of the middle decent, pedigreed

599
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: short hair goes, I would say a good one. So

600
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: you started the years ago we've talked about before, you

601
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: started to traffic in uh battalion Broccos, Brocco Italianos, and uh,

602
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: you breed them. Yeah, and the bitch we'll put off

603
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: up to usually tend to twelve puppies. That was getting at. Yeah,

604
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: and then you sell these puppies and you usually sell

605
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: them before they're born. Is that not true? But for

606
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: pre sold like people pay a deposits them, well, yeah,

607
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: they had to pay a deposit or I keep an

608
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: email from them, or but they're almost always sold before

609
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: the time they're ten weeks. I'm certain it was not

610
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: Hayward Banks who song Dead Puppies Go Much fun. I

611
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: got it for you right here. I didn't get too

612
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: deep into it. There's looks like there's two. There's like

613
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: a band called Dr Demento that's saying it. But then

614
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: also ogden Edzel. Yeah, I don't know what those guys

615
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: a good song. Um, So people write in and say

616
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: I want one, but you never know how many you're

617
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna have anyways, right, So that's why you can't close

618
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: the deal. Yeah, you can't. You just gotta wait. And

619
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: how many, uh in a dog and a dog that

620
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: you've owned, how many puppies have you been able to

621
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: sell off a single dog? Ah? Probably I'm gonna if

622
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I'd be accurate, I'm gonna say thirty eight or forty female,

623
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: So one female can kick out fifty thousand dollars worth

624
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: of puppies. Yes, yes, I'm just getting to the monetary

625
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: back right, right right, And actually a little more than that,

626
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: because if you take the number forty forty puppies thanks

627
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: to two thousand, that's eighty thousand, so they're more valuable.

628
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean you can get too because of those. The

629
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: fella could get two thousand dollars for a brock Italian. Hey, sorry,

630
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: so we don't have to deal with a correction later.

631
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: The band name, I left it open enough, but there's

632
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: no room for connections. Man name is ogden Edzel though

633
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: friends are it was a part of the band. Dr

634
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: Demento is a show that was played on often. There's

635
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: also Keith Johnson and Bill Carey were in the band.

636
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Um, yeah it goes dead. Puppies are much fun.

637
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: Um and that's true. Your kids are gonna send it,

638
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: so okay, So that's the monetary because it was like,

639
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: so now I'll tell the story what happened. Well, I

640
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: just want to establish the emotional and financial right, and

641
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: it was you cannot help but think that like, oh

642
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: my God, I would have bread that dog two more times.

643
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: And if anybody's you'll hear breeders say this, and they

644
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: can all send me the hate meal. You shouldn't be

645
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: breeding for money, like you shouldn't be you shouldn't be

646
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: breeding to lose money, you know what I mean? You know,

647
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: why would you set yourself up unless you're like, as

648
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: it called pro bonal lawyer. I'm not a pro bonal breeder.

649
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: And the dog like, it's not that the dogs particularly

650
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: that that it's not a like a foregone conclusion that

651
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: that type of dog is any better at honing than

652
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: any other type of There's like there's certain amount of

653
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: aesthetics and it's it's a look and it's a demeanor

654
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: that they happen to have. But I could find you

655
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: that demeanor in almost every other breed. Just have to

656
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: find the right So you kind of fall in love

657
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: with sort of like just like the groove of the dog, Yeah, exactly,

658
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: it's not use that term, no, the general prove of

659
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: the dog, the general vibe of the how it kind

660
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: of just relates to people and from the couch to

661
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: the field, right, it's a tie it um. And so

662
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: you fell in love with this kind of dog, right,

663
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: And I've lost a lot of dogs over the years,

664
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, and back when I was in my thirties

665
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: and forties, I don't know. I don't remember really crying

666
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: over it. You know. It's as I got older and

667
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: to become a father and it's gonna be a grandfather.

668
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm turning into a big blubbering baby when it comes

669
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: to yeah, becoming tuned. I don't on Facebook when they

670
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: die or anything. That's my you know a lot of

671
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: people do that. No, never, because you mean you don't

672
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: want to like solicit, want to solicit people find out lady, Yeah,

673
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. But anyway, talking about what happened

674
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: to the dogs, so I went down who was Oscar

675
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: and Katie and tell what their background was. Oscar was

676
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: a two year old male who one was just starting

677
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: to get his wings in the field as far as

678
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: being a good or a dog. And he had also

679
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: his confirmation, his build, his his whole body was like,

680
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: let's say, like a bodybuilding like if you had a

681
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: bodybuilding contest. A confirmation contest is a bodybuilding contest for dogs.

682
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: The judge walks up and says, nice muscles, nice back legs,

683
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: nice straight, he's not bow legged like me. You know

684
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: the dog gates across the so like a pug isn't

685
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna do well on this against other pugs, not against

686
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: so he had on top of in his case being

687
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: a male, he had a monetary value down to future

688
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: of people would want to breed to him because you

689
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: don't want to lose the breeding body type. He had

690
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 1: a classic if he's gonna throw a dog that looks

691
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: like a broco Tex exactly. Yeah. Question, so is his

692
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: value similar to that of the of the female because

693
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: of his No, because I probably could never get forty

694
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: breedings out of him. Why not? I mean, because you

695
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: don't want togistically logistically and you don't want in a

696
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: small breed. You don't want the sire to be the

697
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: same in fifteen different states, because now you're losing out

698
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: on breeding ability. Then you're breathing, you're breeding daughters to

699
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: fathers and so so can I ask you one other thing?

700
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: So is that then why you were saying? I mean,

701
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: if I did the math, they're having eight to ten,

702
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: So you're really only breeding that female four time, four times, three,

703
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: three or four times. But she's living to be fourteen

704
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: or so. You stop out of sympathy to the dog.

705
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: You stop out of like mostly by the time they're eight.

706
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: Most people will never breed a dog because it's too

707
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: hard on It's too hard just like a woman. Do

708
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get higher instance of down syndrome

709
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 1: and a mother over forty than you will a woman

710
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: in her twenties. Same thing with puppies. Already's last letter,

711
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: we thought we were gonna lose three and we had

712
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: to do a cesarean. She couldn't deliver the last dog.

713
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: She was seven and a half when she had a letter.

714
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: Uh do they do AI on dogs or do you

715
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: ship the dog? Sure? Oh yeah, yeah, this one, this

716
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: one might take a minute. First time a lady wanted

717
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: to breed to another dog I had, which was Oscar's

718
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: relations client. A lady in California saw my dog, saw

719
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: pictures of it, and then looked at the because I

720
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: gotta breed to your dog. I want your dog's lines

721
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: and my females loins and that's how. And she goes,

722
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: have you ever been to a reproduction clinic? I'm like no,

723
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: And so she's googling all this. I'm at Working Virginia

724
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: in the valley, and she writes me back. She goes,

725
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: there's a clinic two hours away from you. Blah blah blah.

726
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: That's okay. I need you to be there Tuesday for

727
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: a collection. Because she's monitoring the progester owns uh numbers

728
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: on her female, so she knows that first overnight frozen

729
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: or chilled seamen has got to leave on Tuesday. So

730
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: and the female is gonna be righte it, She'll be

731
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: right it, She'll be right for so many days. And

732
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: we'll have to do this a couple of times, so

733
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: you cover a span anyway. So I have never Doug,

734
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: you might be able to speak to this. I didn't

735
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: know how they collect those strange a little ai okay.

736
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: I did not know how they extract the semen out

737
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: of an animal. I've never seen it done, never asked

738
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: your picture. Will needle a needle or some kind of

739
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: a catheter, like you know, running up the sheath, and

740
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: why not have a little fun. So so and you

741
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: know me, I'm not short on flirtation or anything else, right,

742
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not a quiet guy. I walk in with

743
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: my dog, she says, follow me, this very tall, good

744
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: looking brunette. Um that with a Russian accent, which I

745
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: happened to really love a Russian accent. She says, come,

746
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: fits me, come fit me. You know you I handed

747
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: the dog. She said, no, no, you come with that.

748
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: Better with you with Yeah, that's the best I can

749
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: do for female. Maybe if he said Soviet block and

750
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: more he loves a little more wiggle, he was like

751
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: like Colonel Click, like wernerd Kempler and Hogan's hero German. Yeah,

752
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: well Eastern block, you know, so those areas got wrapped

753
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: up in World War two. Somehow smart kid who didn't

754
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: get to go to school or or acting school. So

755
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: she comes and comes and come, come, come, come, and

756
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: and honest to god, she was on a scale of ten.

757
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: She was an easy eight, beautiful woman about forty years old,

758
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: and she has me. She goes, you hold the dog's color.

759
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: So I'm standing to the side of the dog, and

760
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: she calls for the vet tech to come in with

761
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: if this happened to be a Golden Retriever that was

762
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: in heat, so they backed the Golden Retriever in tail,

763
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, butt two nose, And of course the male

764
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: is like whoa you know, he starts sniffing, his tail,

765
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: starts wagging, and he starts getting a little excited, which

766
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: all male dogs will do. And and she proceeds to

767
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: straddle over my dog and she's stroking his back. God,

768
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: that's a good boy. That's a good boy. He actually

769
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: proceeds to give him a reach around under under his groin.

770
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: And for the life of me, I didn't really believe

771
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: what she was doing. She was getting him, exciting him.

772
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: And then she reaches over for this baggy, this long

773
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: triangular bag about eighteen inches long, and she puts that

774
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: in her other hand. And now she's doing she's she's

775
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: milking the dog and she's silk. But her talking, she was,

776
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: dad's a good book. Oh yeah, good boy, I'm tracking.

777
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: I am standing. You found this, you found this to

778
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: be No, I love you found me slightly erotic. No,

779
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: it was only when she introduced herself did I get

780
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: a little like, oh, he's cute. Okay, alright, So you

781
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: walk in and initially I think I'm going a hand

782
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: a dog, and then she's like, I'm you know, I'm

783
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: a married man. But I can acknowledge that the beautiful woman, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

784
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: you smart, beautiful woman the rest of it's just I'm

785
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: aware of this, and you're saying that that didn't that

786
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: that those feelings didn't escalate with the milking. No, no,

787
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: they didn't escalated it for you. They killed it. Because

788
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear this. I could not, you know,

789
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: I've always gone getting look scited doing telling. Ruf made

790
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: me tell the story last night again in the hotel room.

791
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: Stay on that at all? Right before you went to bar,

792
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: did you say any thing like, um, wow, how you know?

793
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that process? Tongue tied totally

794
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: a camera on you during the I was like, I

795
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: mean I wanted to be like the smart Alec like

796
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: a comedian and go like next, you know, but that's

797
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: called her, that's called sex. But I mean I couldn't

798
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: even think of the funny things I wanted to think

799
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: about it. I was totally embarrassed. It would be like

800
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: it'd be like walking in on um Sue given the

801
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: kids a sex talk when they were going I'd be like,

802
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: this isn't comfortable. I was totally uncomfortable your own watching

803
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: your dog. So that was your answer to Ai. Yes,

804
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with Ahi and Doug. Do you do that

805
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: to a cow, not you personally, But the AI part

806
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet, the AI part just folks, this is

807
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: the collection process. Yeah, they didn't mail it off. And

808
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: then she takes a turkey baster. It was a contrast

809
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: several ways. Yeah, and you're putting the dog and breathe

810
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: the dog. I'm surprised that it has to be so fresh,

811
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: because with cattle, you know, frozen seemed a free seamen.

812
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: You can use a bullet's been dead for years. Well,

813
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: we do, I've I've actually I had him collected, dropped

814
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: him off at a collection because he was such a

815
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: good dog, good example of the breed in up in

816
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: Cincinnati or uh Columbus. Uh. He's still frozen in some

817
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: straws to this day. But I didn't have a hurry.

818
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: She's in a hurry because she's right. And with dogs,

819
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: see because I don't, because it's we're looking for multiple puppies.

820
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: What do you get two calves or one? Only? Usually one?

821
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes too so with dogs, the more counts per million

822
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: of live protozola, spermazoid or whatever the word is, So

823
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: you want it frozen will work and you'll usually get

824
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: a smaller litter. Typically it's not a rule, but typically,

825
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: and so fresh yeah, fresh chilled is the next best

826
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: into homemade homemade, yeah homegrown. M did how much did

827
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: you get for that when you did that? Standard? Is

828
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: the price of a puppy at that point? And and

829
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: then the dog starts like and going to the vet too,

830
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: literally you bring him into it. Just check us out

831
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: about check this out about Ranny's dogs their day. I

832
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: called Ronnie on the phone. We're talking on the phone,

833
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: and the dogs are going ape ship his dogs barking

834
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: and squealing. His dogs have figured out that when he's

835
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: on the phone, like, he'll be on the phone and

836
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: they'll make noise and he'll be like and let him

837
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: all out because they're making noise. Now when he gets

838
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: on the phone, they just make noise. They just because

839
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: I know that he'll brew him out for making noise

840
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: when he's on the phone. But I could be on

841
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: my computer forever, listen to YouTube whatever. They don't say nothing.

842
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: They lay there a minute. I'm on that phone, like

843
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: I got a biscuit or a bone, or I get

844
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: to go out. I'm I'm interested about the Golden Retriever

845
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: and the collection. Uh, facility. Well, no, because obviously they must.

846
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: They just have a rotating stock of females that yes,

847
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: they are a good vet clinic that is specialized in

848
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: um artificial AI or even people actually bring their two

849
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: dogs to a vet to let them do it because

850
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: they're afraid of the process. But they they are UM.

851
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: But so those clinics are so big that there's almost

852
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: always a dog coming in for a progester own test.

853
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: And on one, on one occasion, I had cotton balls

854
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: at a place they did not have a bitch in heat.

855
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: They call her teaser bitch. There was no teaser bitch.

856
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: So they had cotton balls that they continually dab on

857
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: the females, uh back end, and then they keep them

858
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: in a jar. Oh and it's like us do is

859
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: bit still? Like? Is bitch still widely acceptable in the

860
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: dog world? Like if I were to walk up to

861
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: which I did yesterday, I would said, that's a nice

862
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: looking bitch. And you definitely use the word bitch. Yeah,

863
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: you don't say dog, you say bitch. Or let's look anyone,

864
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody would skip on saying. Imagine that

865
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: there was the sire sire you can call them the boy,

866
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: the guy. Imagine there was a nun, a nun dog breeder.

867
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: Oh none, like a like a none dog breeder. Would

868
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: she say, my bitch, I'm gonna did you go to

869
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: any Catholic school? I got an aunt. It's a Catholic

870
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: done dog breeder. Do you think she would have said,

871
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: do you think she has time for a call? Do

872
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: you have an aunt who's a nun? Yeah, a couple

873
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: of uncles that were priests. Would she use bitch or

874
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: a synonym? Synonym? So it's not totally so anyways, I

875
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: want I won't go back to the to the backup plan.

876
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: When you don't have a dog in heat. With those

877
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: cotton balls, there might be whole opportunity for a line

878
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: of Brittany magazines or something for Yeah, I was gonna

879
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: point that out because guys, I've talked to you. Yeah, guys,

880
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: I've talked to you. Who have to go in and

881
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: do Guys I talked to you have to go in

882
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: and do a sample. They're not bringing in a labador,

883
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: No they're not. But then you know they're go into

884
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: a room with magazines. Then you gotta Then you come

885
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: out and you're like out back out in the clinic,

886
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: and I had a number of friends say, it's just

887
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: always so awkward because like everyone that works there, because

888
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: you've been like in there thumbing through some magazine. It's like, yeah,

889
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, come and be like I got what

890
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: you need right here. But I had to do that

891
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: after getting a vast act of me. I had to

892
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: bring in a number of samples. Believe, you go back home,

893
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: then you came. Yeah, you come back in. When you

894
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: come back in, you can sort of have the aura

895
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: about you as though you had assistance with this collector.

896
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: No one knows how you worked it up, right, so

897
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: you can kind of like maintain like some self composure

898
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: and be like, oh yeah, buddy, but don't you worry

899
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: about how I worked up teem. I got to digress

900
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: to back to duck because I want to know how

901
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: they do I wonder how they do it with a bull.

902
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: We never had bulls that we collected from when we

903
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: had dairy cattle. We had a whole stein bull for

904
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: a while, and then he just did it on his

905
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: own right, and his being deadly a big thing. Right

906
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: There's I've only been to facility once and that was

907
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: when I was in high school. And which is the

908
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: wrong place to take a bunch of high school boys.

909
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: But uh so they actually had steers that they did

910
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: the same thing with that they were rubbing. Yeah, they're

911
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: in heat rubbing what well, they were rubbing estrogen or

912
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: from a cow that's in heat on because I turned

913
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: around to arouse him and and then there you said, steer,

914
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: you no, the steer. They don't use a cow, So

915
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: they rubbed the stuff on the back of a steer.

916
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: Come on, that's what they do to that poor thing. Well,

917
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: and it's don't want to cow maybe because then they

918
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: don't have to have cows around, And so they want

919
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: to take a steer and rub the smell of a

920
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: ripe cow. And then it's a collection thing like that,

921
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: except they're smelling be like, man, I'm seeing one thing

922
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: and smelling another. Yeah, because remember the story we heard

923
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: when we were in Wyomen trapping beavers. How that dude

924
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: how the neighborhood lost a bunch of steers because they

925
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: had like it was like an overdose or too much

926
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: of that implant drug that they had given it in

927
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of those steers were getting like way too

928
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: much testosterone and for the steers that were getting that first.

929
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: The steers that weren't as like getting the testosterone. The

930
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: stosterone jacked up ones were chasing all the other ones

931
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: around and basically killing killing them, riding them so much

932
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: that they were killing these steers that hadn't gotten in

933
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: the equal amount of drugs. Wrestlers like just dry humping

934
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: them to Yeah, like wrestlers, dude, that's yeah. I got

935
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: some friends of the wrestlers, and man, they still like

936
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: to wrestle. Yeah, wrestlers like to wrestle. So i didn't

937
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: wrestle in high school. I'm ready to move on to

938
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: something else. I wish we had more time to talk

939
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: about throwing one thing real quick, and you, Ronnie, don't

940
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: even don't even discuss it. I'm gonna tell us a

941
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: thing about to date. This will help date Ronnie. When

942
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: Ronny was a kid, I know where he was a kid.

943
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: In Chicago public schools. When you took swim class, all

944
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: the boys would have to stripped out and swim naked

945
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: at school. That's true. Okay, So he never told you.

946
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: The coach also did, right, Okay, so we thought that

947
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: was odd um Oscar and Kate Oscar and Oscar is

948
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: an up and coming stud and a one time bread

949
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: female had literally eight pups, so she had a good

950
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: sized litter. The two dogs whose future is ahead of them,

951
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: future is ahead of them, financial future, emotional future, everything.

952
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeahney's look everything's looking at like when there you are

953
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: you're driving to It was in Indiana in the state park.

954
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: The state park was not open per se for vehicle traffic,

955
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 1: but this particularly well, there was no guard. You didn't

956
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: in the state park passed to get into. It was

957
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: off season, was off season. But this part of the

958
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: state for some reason has an old hotel on the

959
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: property and they use it like a B and B so,

960
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: and it happens to be in a state park. But

961
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: it's not all set up for summer activities. It's set

962
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: up year round for staying there. You know, people can

963
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: walk the trails. So there's really nobody there basically, and

964
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: it's gated or not gated, just a front stone gate.

965
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: It's not gated anyway. I get there, I check in

966
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: the motel. There's no dogs allowed. A room. Oh, you're

967
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: actually staying in the stay in there Indiana, Indiana, And

968
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,959
Speaker 1: so I get traveling, I'm gonna be working, I'm gonna

969
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: be working with dogs and doing some interviews. Uh, five

970
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: miles away the next two days at a training clinic,

971
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: and so there's nothing out in these woods. I check

972
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: in the room. I already know that dogs aren't allowed in.

973
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: And my dogs you know the box they traveling big

974
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: three dogs, three door box. Uh, I asked, I said,

975
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: where's the best spot for me to let my dogs

976
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: air out? Feed him and air out? Air out is

977
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: their term for make you know, no ship, take the crap.

978
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: We just made a symbol that I it's from the Goldbergs.

979
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: She goes, did you make this morning? She has two kids,

980
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: like mom. So if you're using two fingers, so Rannie's

981
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: making a cap Rani's making a cup with one hand

982
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: and taking two fingers and moving them in and out

983
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: of the cup, which I interpreted to what we were

984
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: talking about a minute ago. If you're saying, if it's

985
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: two fingers, it becomes it was. It was a way

986
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: for like a mom to not ask you in public,

987
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 1: if do you have to go to bathroom? Did you make?

988
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: I would rather my mom, let's leave the gold would

989
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: rather than someone going like that. Little boy's mom keeps

990
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:31,959
Speaker 1: making the universal the universally accepted symbol for for something else.

991
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: So and she said, yeah, I would just take the

992
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: trail right around the back of the building, go down

993
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: to the reservoir and let the dogs do whatever they do.

994
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: So I get there, a friend of mine joins me

995
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: without dogs. I've got four dogs and just running them

996
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: around and well, first to feed him and so my

997
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: older dog, he rides Shotgun in the back seat. The

998
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: other dogs each got their own compartment. Okay, back, I say,

999
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: missed something. You're traveling with four or two? Four dogs?

1000
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: I got four dogs with you own? Did I own? Okay?

1001
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: Because I want to keep in this story, there's a

1002
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 1: part of still in understands. I want to know how

1003
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: the four dogs had very different outcomes. Yeah, so they're

1004
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: all together. It was really easy to explain in hindsight. Um,

1005
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: so they all feed and they feed in their boxes

1006
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: or you know, so they don't fight over food. Make

1007
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: sure they got a bull of dog food in their

1008
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: in their bounder box, and you make sure they finish

1009
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: eating put food away. My youngest dog, did I still

1010
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: have Miller? He is named after the beer. Yeah, OK, yeah,

1011
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: I didn't. I actually got the dog back from a

1012
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: lady who named it after the beer because she knew

1013
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: I drank Miller light. But um, so I got this dog.

1014
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 1: He is at the point where he doesn't know his name,

1015
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: like to call him off of something or if he

1016
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: starts running, he would literally ignore me. His obedience training

1017
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: wasn't there, and that no too young, and he wasn't

1018
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: worked with when this person had the dog, and that

1019
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons he was going as an

1020
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: example dog. About training a dog with that age with

1021
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: almost no obedience, you know, just a little crazy dog.

1022
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: You were bringing him to show him as a bad

1023
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: example of a dog exactly exactly. We do that and

1024
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: dog things. You want to show the good performance, You

1025
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: want to show the bad and the things in between,

1026
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: and then people can relate to it like, yeah, my dog,

1027
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: my dog will stay that long. Yeah that's great, the

1028
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: world's greatest dog. Learn nothing. So then I had my

1029
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: senior dog, Bravo, who knows all of his commands. So

1030
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: every time he was out, I just let him outside

1031
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: the truck and I said, provoms, come back. Miller wanted

1032
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: to run with the other two dogs to three year olds,

1033
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: but I didn't want him to, so I kept him

1034
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: on a thirty foot check cord wrapped around my waist.

1035
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: You could run around, I could drink a beer, and

1036
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking with my buddy Gary. We're having a good time.

1037
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: Four dogs on one super obedient and two are up

1038
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: and commerce who take off And I can see him

1039
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: the entire time, like they run down to the reservoir,

1040
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: that run deck up a hill. They're not out chasing

1041
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: deer or anything. There within a hundred yards of me

1042
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: at all times. I could because I can see them.

1043
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: There's no leaves on the trees. The topography was such

1044
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: that I'm looking down at the reservoir. There was an

1045
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: old abandoned camp building there that they used for storage.

1046
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: To my knowledge, the doors were all locked and everything

1047
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: and so, and I did see the dogs go down

1048
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: to reservoir and get a drink. They came back wet,

1049
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: so I knew that's what they did. Um, so fast forward,

1050
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: get the dogs back. You give them each water again

1051
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: to help the write digest their food their meal overnight,

1052
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: and you put them in their boxes. And so that

1053
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: was about nine ten o'clock at night. Nine thirty at night,

1054
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 1: I closed the tailgate, went to the parking area, sat

1055
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: and talked with Gary for a little bit. You could

1056
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: hear the dogs rustling around in your boxes. Um, so

1057
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: everything seemed normal, like every time I've ever had the

1058
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,919
Speaker 1: dogs out. And it's six or five thirty in the morning.

1059
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: We got up, I went to go air the dogs out,

1060
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: and I opened the tailgate and I can hear Miller

1061
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: on the right scratching to get out. So you're immediately

1062
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: you've and you never go to your box like, oh boy,

1063
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: I hope it's you know, it's if you no more

1064
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: you walk in this room and don't expect to see

1065
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: one good bed and towels. You know, it's that same assumption.

1066
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: So he's scratching to get out because he's that little

1067
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: crazy guy that doesn't have any obedience. The other ones

1068
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: have been in boxes so long, they just wait, they

1069
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: don't scratch at the door. They're going to get out

1070
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: at the same time. And I opened the middle door

1071
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: and I see Katie her head pressed up against the wall,

1072
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: and immediately know she's dead. I mean, there's just I mean,

1073
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: you could just say her I was half open, you know,

1074
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: or you know you well, you know, like even when

1075
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: an animal dies, it never looks like it does when

1076
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: it's betted. When it's this kind of smashed it. And

1077
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, oh my god. And

1078
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: I touched her and she was already like rock hard

1079
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: with rigging mortis, and I'm like, oh sh and I

1080
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: can hear him scratching. I opened the other door and

1081
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: there's Oscar, same way. He's just curled up, just dead.

1082
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: And I reached in and and I mean, Rigor. I

1083
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: don't know how long you guys talked about that. How

1084
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: long does Rigor take a couple of hours through two

1085
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: or three hours to get really up, to set up

1086
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: really hard. So when I told my vet all this,

1087
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: she said that they probably died somewhere around one or

1088
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: two in the morning. They would not be that Rigor

1089
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: Morris would not be so hard that I could not

1090
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: bend their legs back out too. It would have been

1091
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: a feudal attempt to see what happened to him. But

1092
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: they were that stiff, you know. So then the whole

1093
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: thing went to where I had to bring him. I

1094
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: actually put bags of ice on one of them in

1095
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: case it got warm on the way home. And I

1096
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: was told to do that just because you know things,

1097
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, like in the animal they get hot from dying.

1098
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: And you want to keep them, you want to keep

1099
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: you initially getting are you initially like emotional? Or they

1100
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: kind of shot it at me an hour to even

1101
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: close the tailgate. Me and Gary sit there and cried

1102
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: and kept saying, w TF, WTF, WTF, thinking someone killed them,

1103
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: Thinking someone pop something into each one of their holes.

1104
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: You know, they could have reached in and going through

1105
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: the sliding window just and then I kept thinking they suffocated.

1106
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: They suffer, kid, they can't suffocate. They sleep in these

1107
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: things all the time. I can't suffocate it. They're like

1108
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: they're full of holes and right exactly, but my brains

1109
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: as they suffocated. Yeah, they're two sliding windows happened to

1110
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: be closed and Miller's was slit open. So then I'm

1111
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: like they suffocated. They anyway, so call me that they

1112
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: did a autopsy on one of them. There's no point

1113
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: to do both. They obviously got into something. And um

1114
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: and I gave you that text earlier. It's they found

1115
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: three chemical compounds that ex that suggest exposure to alcohol.

1116
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: Whatever that alcohol would be wasn't Miller Lite. I know

1117
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: that for a fact, because they drink that. You know,

1118
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: when I drop a candy, I'll lick it all up.

1119
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: It was not anti freeze, because it takes days for

1120
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: a dog to die from anti freeze. They don't die

1121
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: like that. So it was something that got to their

1122
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: liver and they bled out internally. And it's never been

1123
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: determined what that substance was. I don't know if it's

1124
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: something that's naturally occurring, fermented, somebody left out a pail

1125
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: of something they cleaned from a campground. Just I'll never know.

1126
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: And don't you look around. No. I wish I would have,

1127
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: because the whole thing was like I had to get

1128
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: to this clinic, tell them what happened, tell him goodbye.

1129
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: I gotta get back to Michigan. And I was so

1130
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: like out of in shock. I just never could. The

1131
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: ground has been baiting for rodents. The state called me

1132
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: several times, the state biologist, state veterinarian, Michigan state veterinarians

1133
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: talked to them. I asked that there's a there's a

1134
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: product people used for killing raccoons and possums that would

1135
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: kill a dog that fast. Very few, but those things

1136
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:06,959
Speaker 1: are always almost identifiable in their stomach contents. So yeah,

1137
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: we won't know, but word to everybody, you never know

1138
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: don't let your kids play and junk card. But you

1139
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: don't you don't feel that, like based on what you've

1140
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: seen dogs do, you don't feel that they would drink

1141
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: um bourbon? No? No, I've seen dogs around people drinking

1142
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: brown water. Never seen a dog lap it up. Although

1143
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: I have had friends say, oh yeah, my dog will

1144
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: lick my my glass of bourbon with you know, but

1145
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: not cue over dead from it. No, no, no, you

1146
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: you I would. You'd have to drink a lot, I

1147
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: would think. And the vet or the lab interpreted for

1148
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: you that this is an alcohol, And when you look

1149
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: it up, it's just everywhere it's like kind of alcoholics

1150
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: found and everything. Those three things that were identified in

1151
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: the liver biopsy or whatever it was. Uh, all it

1152
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: says is suggests exposure to alcohol. You know, there's isopropyl

1153
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: alcohol is Jack Daniels. There's and freeze in anything that

1154
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: doesn't freeze an alcohol, So couldn't have been an old

1155
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: can of windshield wiper fluid split out? True that anything

1156
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't freeze in alcohol. Okay, that's not accurate. Is

1157
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: it in alcohol freezes? It's some temperature. Yeah. Also there

1158
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: we used to have Boone's firm. We take boone farm

1159
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: ice fishing, and the boons would freeze except the syrup

1160
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: and rise up to the top. The booze and the

1161
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: sugar would rise the top, and then you could have

1162
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: like a like a slushy ice fish. And so yeah,

1163
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: that's the that's that's how what happened. You never went

1164
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 1: back to go look around. No, no, it's it was

1165
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: a six hour drive, and it was like, I'm not

1166
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: going to change the outcome of the day, and You're

1167
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: not gonna run your dogs there again. I'm not gonna

1168
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: run my dogs there again. And if you know, in

1169
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: the conspiracy world, if the state was using some bait

1170
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: to take care of mice and squirrels, and I don't

1171
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: think they were gonna leave it lay around because they

1172
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: already knew what happened, that's a conspiracy part of me.

1173
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: You know, I don't take my walk round would have

1174
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: produced anything. On the other hand, it could have produced

1175
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: an old cook pot that had eggcorns fermenting in it.

1176
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't know. Fruit yeah, turned

1177
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: into fruit apples, bushel apples in a steel bucket. Who knows.

1178
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: It could have been something like that. But there wasn't

1179
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: anything like and this is a common uh. They said

1180
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: it was common in a whole bunch of different things,

1181
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: but not in particular in some kind of bait or

1182
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: it was anything identifiable on the market. The interesting part

1183
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: is that the two dogs that stayed close lived and

1184
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: the two dogs that ran around kind of creepy almost

1185
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: a little bit makes you want to makes you want

1186
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: to just well, I think that's why. You know. It's

1187
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 1: like Houndsman, they're kind of used to losing their dogs.

1188
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: It's like that's you. You buy into that, but your

1189
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: bird hunter and your pet owner you don't buy into that.

1190
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: You barely buy into the fact that you're gonna outlive

1191
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: your dog. People can't even handle that. Houndsman is like

1192
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: they might they might cry when the dog dies, but

1193
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: they go into it, I mean losing them to bears

1194
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: and pigs and lions cliffs. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah,

1195
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: that's that's what happened. That's all we know on that.

1196
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: And do you ensure your dogs? No? I never have.

1197
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's something that's available, probably could. So how

1198
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: much of a setback was it, how much like like

1199
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: as a breeder, how much of a setback was it. Well,

1200
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: I need like hunting wise and breeding wise, honey wise,

1201
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: I I'd be a little low on dog power and

1202
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: breeding wise. I had another female that was a year

1203
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: old last year, so she could have been the next one.

1204
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: Um and she just died of kidney failure right before Christmas,

1205
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: so a year and five months old or something like that.

1206
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: Ten what ten sen dog years? Ten years old? Old?

1207
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: True tragedy. So yeah, so I'm set way back. I

1208
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: won't have a although I did drive all the way

1209
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: to way across Georgia to pick up a puppy that

1210
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: was seven months old, so you actually now have to

1211
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: go buy dogs. You can't make them out of boys,

1212
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: and already is too old to breed. She'd still be willing.

1213
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: But I would like dancing Duke Kennels is like out

1214
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: of business. It's it's it's just dancing dude, man. No ship. Yeah,

1215
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean I've kind of like known this, but I

1216
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: like to the whole thing. Yeah, we don't. We don't

1217
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: get time to but ron when we're on hunting. Those

1218
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: dogs are hundreds of yards away from us at times, right, yeah, whatever,

1219
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: that that's the one thing I would love to know

1220
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: what that dog got into I would love to be

1221
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: able to write something up and let the rest of

1222
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: the world know, like, boy, don't think you're safe even

1223
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: with this. Yeah, but what is the Like it's one

1224
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: of those things and you're the last guy in the

1225
01:11:51,080 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: world to um submit to like irrational paranoria, right, parent, Yeah, um,

1226
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: because what's the there's no lesson. Don't let your dogs

1227
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: run around yards away from you. It's just like I

1228
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: asked Johnny last night about you guys in bears right,

1229
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: that would be like you guys never going into the

1230
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: woods again. So there's a lesson learned. But what's the lesson?

1231
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: You know, it's only a lesson on that property. It's

1232
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: not I'm gonna let my dogs go hunt and were

1233
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: But when we're coming to when we're corner hopping, you

1234
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: know you got you got. You have a farmer that

1235
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 1: will have a rock pile on his corner because he's

1236
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: getting everything out of his field old tractor and you

1237
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: know who knows what You start coming across corner up

1238
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: and can get your troumple out. Have you have you

1239
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: lost the dog your rattlesnake yet? No? In fact, I

1240
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: don't know anybody has. But I know I've heard of

1241
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: people who have. Yeah, I guess it's got to hit

1242
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: him in the hit all the time. I guess he's

1243
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: got to hit him in the throw in her mouth.

1244
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: I don't think it in a sebaceous tissue or something.

1245
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: I don't think it does much to him. A porcupine attack.

1246
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: One time, when one around these dogs, the dog attacked

1247
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: the porcupine. Yeah, man, it was gnarly. Yeah, you put

1248
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 1: that picture in your book. It was amazing that dog

1249
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: had porcupine quills from its nostrils to its testicles. Yeah,

1250
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: he just full full, continue to hunt. Well, you know what,

1251
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: we'll put these pictures. We'll put the pictures of your

1252
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: dog up on the show, the porcupine on the show,

1253
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: Zeno Zeno, and hoping Zino Zino got the brunt of it.

1254
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if I mentioned this before, I think

1255
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: I have. But we were out hunting one time and Pooter,

1256
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: I think it was I came here. It was me

1257
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: or Poot, but one of us filled a dough tag

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01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: and the deer had obviously run into had run over

1259
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: a porcupine. Really well, that's the one way I can

1260
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: explain it, because their whole underside was full of quills. Wow.

1261
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: So in my mind, she's hauling asked through the woods

1262
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: trip and there's a porcupine. He's like puts his tail up, right,

1263
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean how else would you can

1264
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: like fight it? Not? Just wasn't like attacking so man

1265
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 1: her it was so infected. Just it was just full

1266
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: of infections and post and stuff up and down her belly.

1267
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: We're hunting sheep one time, hunting doll sheep, my brother's

1268
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: old girlfriend. And it was like I was kind of

1269
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: I think he was walking point and she was right

1270
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: behind him or however, I can't remember how we were

1271
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: configured going up through these alders. And all of a

1272
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: sudden she comes rolling down the hills screaming bloody murder.

1273
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: And she had walked under a porcupine and he had

1274
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: smacked her right where her shoulder met her neck. Yeah,

1275
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: put maybe thirteen I think it was thirteen quills or something,

1276
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: right where her shoulder met her neck. You know when

1277
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: you said it, when you said attack, I didn't. But

1278
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: you're right. They will use their tail in defense. I

1279
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: forgot about what they don't do, which cartoons will lead

1280
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: you to believe, is that they can launch quills like

1281
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: an English army of arrows. Yeah, but it's like it's smart,

1282
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: that kind of myth. It's like, I guess, with kids

1283
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: and stuff, it's smart to allow them to believe that

1284
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: that's true. Not a bad thing, because all stoves are hot. Yeah,

1285
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: but I don't think that most people are never corrected

1286
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: about the porcupine. I would tell them when they were

1287
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: twelve or so, I would say, you know, to be

1288
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: honest with you, I think, can't shoot it. It's a

1289
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: rite of it's a rite of passage. You gotta set

1290
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: them down, say ay, just so you know, you know,

1291
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: and that porcupine does not launch quills. This means number two.

1292
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: This means number two. This means and porcupines cannot shoot quills. Man,

1293
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: where do we go from there? The pressing story, screwing

1294
01:15:54,880 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: the saga of Oscar. We're still waiting to still hoping

1295
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: to find out, but obviously we won't. Maybe somebody else

1296
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: will hear this, And I'm surprised you're not more obsessed

1297
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: with like learning the truth. I don't know what else

1298
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: I can do, you know. I mean, I think the

1299
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: tissue samples are probably destroyed. I don't think they save

1300
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:19,480
Speaker 1: him you know, I mean forensically, maybe some Einstein guy,

1301
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: maybe one of your listeners. Here's the thing. On the

1302
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: show notes, any idea, we will put the yeah, because

1303
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: we you know, we actually just got a really mean

1304
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 1: letter from a vet. Who Um, he's real mad. He

1305
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: feels like um and then dark, Uh, he's really I

1306
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: think that a lot of people were like, he's he

1307
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 1: works in the egg industry, and he was real pissed

1308
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: about some stuff Rogan was saying about big egg. I

1309
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: don't have a problem big egg, nor ever said I

1310
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,839
Speaker 1: had a problem big egg whatsoever. Um, But he feels

1311
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: that guys that like to hunt are somehow down on

1312
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: big egg. Like it's a like a big egg guy

1313
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 1: apparently gets mad if people start extolling the virtues of

1314
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: other types of meat. So he was mad about that.

1315
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: But that guy, he's a vet. So what you could

1316
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: do is on the show notes, will put up a

1317
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: picture of your dog with its mouthful of quills. We'll

1318
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 1: put up a picture of these dogs when they're happy

1319
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: in in the old days. We'll put a picture of

1320
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: cute uh broco Italiano puppies, and then we'll put up

1321
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: the toxicology report. There you go, and we will allow

1322
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: people to interpret the results what I'm getting at. It

1323
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: might come up. We might not get any event, but

1324
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: they have a very similar thing could have happened to

1325
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: Joe blow and in Colorado, and they might have got

1326
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: to the bottom of it, and that all might make

1327
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: more sense. See the other thing I forgot to say.

1328
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: The one thing that will kill a dog like that

1329
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: is called blue algae, and that occurs a lot. You

1330
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: know what, that'll kill elk too. It'll so uh if

1331
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: a dog drinks you literally, if he drinks enough and

1332
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: gets the blue algae, you don't have enough time to

1333
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: even get him to the vet. He's dead. Yeah, Like

1334
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: when it when it wipes out herds, the animals, they'll

1335
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: all be laying around the water hole. Yeah, they're not

1336
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: even just make that right, But that wouldn't come up

1337
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: as alcohol poisoning exactly exactly. But the mystery thickens. You

1338
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: have cowses die for no reason, Doug, uh boy, it's

1339
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: been along I mean, why did that cow die? You

1340
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: know a better questions like we found uh, you know,

1341
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: we found a cow dead in the pasture one time,

1342
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: and you never like look into It's not worth the

1343
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: money to look into it. Yeah, I mean you haven't

1344
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: and I haven't had one die for you know, usually

1345
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: if they're looking bad, you get rid of them. I mean,

1346
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, so it's not I mean you check them

1347
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: out and then decide, you know what, what what you're

1348
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: gonna do with you? Do you have a cry when

1349
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: they die? I'm pretty kind of my animals. You know,

1350
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: you cry when they die because because you don't cry

1351
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: when you're sending them off to slaughter. No, but I'm no,

1352
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't cry when they die. But when I'm putting

1353
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: the animal on the I mean, it's it's something that

1354
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: happens as you get older. I guess I put even

1355
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: steers and I'm butchering on the Reaganesque tendency to crying. Well, no,

1356
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm not crying, but I'm I'm I have a different

1357
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: attitude about it. I put him on the trap. Some empathy, empathy,

1358
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 1: and I know what I'm you know, I know what

1359
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing, what's happening there. I mean, it doesn't mean

1360
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't like, do you know you're on the doorstep

1361
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: of death yourself? But you don't come in the house. Dog,

1362
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: You don't even think about that. I honestly don't know

1363
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: what you got. You guys a have like a weird conversation.

1364
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand what you're saying right now, like, oh,

1365
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, and then like you know what, well, I

1366
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: asked you flat out a question. No, I don't try

1367
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: when the cattle die? Do you cry when you send

1368
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: him off to slaughter? I don't cry when I send

1369
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: him off to slaughter. But I am I have a

1370
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 1: different feeling about it than I did when I was younger. Okay, please,

1371
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, explain what that feeling is. And

1372
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: what I was referring to was when Ron was saying

1373
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,839
Speaker 1: that earlier, when he was in his twenties and thirties,

1374
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: he didn't have the same emotions about the dogs. And

1375
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: of course you get more attached to a dog than

1376
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: you do a cow or a steer or whatever. But

1377
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time with him, and it's

1378
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: part of why my animals are so calm and everything.

1379
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: And and I mean, I put them on the trailer

1380
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 1: and I thank them, I know where they're going, and

1381
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it's just you know, it's a

1382
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: somber thing for me. It's part of one I want

1383
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: him just to be cool and you know, say hey, thanks,

1384
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: looking forward to that steak. It's like, hey, thanks, you

1385
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: got well yeah, I mean so so so I'm not

1386
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: talking about that. Okay, no, no, I'm fine. I like

1387
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: the thing about it is you're saying that you have

1388
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: felt that you had that you were either you used

1389
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: to be more callous or you're just more sort of emotional,

1390
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: emotionally aware of the cycles of life and death. Now, yes,

1391
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: because I'm nearer to death myself, as you said that.

1392
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why, That's where I'm going with this,

1393
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: is you feel it's that you feel that you're like,

1394
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, you recently lost your father. I think that, um,

1395
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've thought about and recently

1396
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: had a birthday. I recently had a birthday and you know,

1397
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: fifty nine years old, and you know, you have a

1398
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: lot more. Yeah, well I have a lot more. When

1399
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: I say, boy, thirty years ago when I was you know,

1400
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: twenty nine, well thirty years from now, you know, yeah,

1401
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: have eighty nine. Well, then I think about my mom

1402
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: and she's still you know, cruising along, but she cried

1403
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: when the Coles ago. My mom has no regard for

1404
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: cattle whatsoever. So we'll get worse, apparently, but she doesn't.

1405
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: She's not involved with the farm. The farm is not her.

1406
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: You think you'll get to a point where you can't

1407
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: send cattle off to slaughter? Is it that fast? It's

1408
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: just a really gradual thing that's happening to you. I

1409
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: can't imagine a time when cattle still wouldn't just be

1410
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 1: cattle to me. I mean that doesn't mean you treat

1411
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: them badly or anything like that. I mean, it's just

1412
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 1: a it's a process, you know, it's would you send

1413
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 1: puppies off to slaughter? Yeah? My father, my father tells

1414
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: a story that he like in the old days, he

1415
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: would no joke, he would be sent out to get

1416
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: rid of litters of kittens done that. Yeah, he did

1417
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: not like it. We use made to do it. We

1418
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: picked up a kitten, my wife and daughter and I

1419
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: would picked up a kitten from another farm, and we

1420
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: have a guy said, oh, hey, come by and get

1421
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: a kitten. And I'm like, oh man, because we had

1422
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 1: there was a cat at the farm that needed another

1423
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: that needed a you know something that my daughter and

1424
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: wife decided that that that the cat at the farm

1425
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: need you to play me. So when I say kitten,

1426
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't mean a little fres I mean, you know,

1427
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: one that's a young cat. So we go up to

1428
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: this guy's place and and uh, I thought I'm just

1429
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: gonna be able to say no when I get there,

1430
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: but oh no, we're taking one of these cats with us,

1431
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: you know. So while we didn't bring anything along, uh

1432
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: to put it in that was sort of my you know,

1433
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: way out and John go the farmer, says, well, I

1434
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: got a gunny sack, so he grabs the cat. I

1435
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: grabbed the gunny sack. He drops the cat in. I

1436
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: closed the top of it, and that cat came up

1437
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: and we named the cat Biter later because it came

1438
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: up and bit me, bit me through the bag and

1439
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: held on. I had blood running down my arm, and

1440
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: I can only think that it would figure the next

1441
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: thing coming in there was a rock and it was

1442
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: gonna get It's like cats. That cat ended up being

1443
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: one of the coolest cats ever though, And I'm not

1444
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: a cat guy at all. I grew up around uh

1445
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: in dairy you know, dairy production areas, and the dairy

1446
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: farmers would like to have cats because they would need

1447
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: to control mice and rats, so they wanted cats, but

1448
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: then they're always into sort of delicate balance where you

1449
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: needed like enough cats, but then you get too many

1450
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: cats they would get I think that they don't know

1451
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: what the term they would use. The farmers would use

1452
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: as feline distemper and that would like sleep through the

1453
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: cat population and wipe them all out. So the farmers

1454
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: are often in a situation of trying to cool. They

1455
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: would have cats and they're not spaying and neutering these things,

1456
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: and it would get out to what there's a whole

1457
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: bunch and they would want to coll the heard cool

1458
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: the population of cats, and would on occasion, um, have

1459
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: the Ranella boys come over just they would on occasion

1460
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: seek assistance, seek paid help in reducing the cats for

1461
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: fear of a cat of a disease outbreak. And it

1462
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: did an occur to him. I don't know why that

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Speaker 1: uh to Spain Newter, but I think it's just enough

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01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: stray cats running around, they just find their way. They

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01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: find their way there. Farm cats. Yeah, I mean, it's

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01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: it's just a it's it's it's a type of cat.

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01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, actually the cats we have in the house

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01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: is a farm cat. I think Mark Kennyon was saying,

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01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: was he Mark Kenyon saying that all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: he has he has thirteen cats sitting outside of his house.

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01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: They just because he's had one or something. One showed

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01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: up and the next thing, you know, that thing made love.

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01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know I did. No, he's just

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01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: got cats everywhere, not not are there anything he did? So, Doug,

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01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: you've just been saying, um, all right, well well Steve,

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01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: what about what about Veal? With a Oh, I'm dead

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01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: set against l We don't even have to have that conversation.

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01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: You're against Veal. I am against Vial. I had we

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01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: had a neighbor who raised Veal. I dealt with it.

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01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: It's not a pretty sight. Yeah, and he got any

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01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: concluding thoughts veal just concluding thoughts in general. And we

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01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: might have to edit this out or maybe we'll keep

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01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: it in. But did you read the email that came

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01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: in about us being wrong about bow hunting? Yeah, but

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01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: that guy's just overly sensitive. Yeah, a bow hunter being

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01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: overly sensitive. I'm shocked, Like you didn't want to talk

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01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: about it. It doesn't warrant. It's like I just think

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01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: that like now we can talk about it. When we're done,

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01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: we talk about just like I just don't get like,

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01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: like we have a thousand bows, like we have thousands

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01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: of bow hunters. That's an exaggeration. We have loads of

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01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: bow hunters on the show. I've no stranger to bow hunt.

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01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: You bow hunt. I don't get it. What's the what

1494
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: was the that it doesn't even matter? You don't talk

1495
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: about hunting enough. Well, he has a anecdote and anecdote

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01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: laden rebuttal to the idea that there's a higher wound loss,

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01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: that that there's higher wound loss with archery than firearms,

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01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 1: backed up by the fact of three things that happened

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01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: to me. Well, yeah, do you have any concluding thoughts, Johnny? No? Really?

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Speaker 1: All right, you don't like veal. I'd love to talk

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01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: about it more about just feel like I've done talking

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01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: about livestock fair enough. I'm done talking about livestock too. Um.

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01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: It's just nice to be here in South Dakota, that's it. Yeah,

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01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, We've covered so many different

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01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: things here that I I mean, there's tons of stuff

1506
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 1: I talk about, but this I feel bad. I only

1507
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it because I don't want

1508
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: to I don't feel like, because you know what, I

1509
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: just I don't feel like with all the just the

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 1: recreational outrage that will generate of some guy raises Veal

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01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: and his cows are the nicest cows in the world.

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01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 1: So I have a concluding thought. Then, Okay, one of

1513
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: the things I actually thought about before I came I Ny,

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01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, should I be prepared to talk about anything?

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01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 1: I said, if I've ever been prepared to talk to

1516
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: anything when I've been in one of your podcasts? But yeah,

1517
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: but it's like that, it's like that Picasso quote, Picasso

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01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: Pablo the whole like sketches the thing out on a napkin, right,

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01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: and it's worth all this money. And something says that

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01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: I only took you five minutes. That took a lifetime,

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01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: all right, So you're just prepared from lifetime years now. Uh.

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01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm it's nice to take a break from talking about

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01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: c w D, which I've been doing a lot of.

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01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: That's your concluding thought, That is my concluding thought. Like

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01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 1: I've known Ronny since nineteen sixty four. I remember how

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01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: old are you? Guys? That year I was four, he

1527
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: was maybe five or six. Naked in the pool. Uh,

1528
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: problem were, but not in high school. I've met you, know,

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01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: I've known about you for years. I remember when he

1530
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 1: hired you, when when your dad promised him a couple

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01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: of good work currently guaranteed my labors. But I've I've

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01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: met a lot of people here at pheasant Fest. So

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01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: if you line them up one through a hundred, this

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01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: in this whole hunting and sportsman and and it's all

1535
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: around you know obviously Pheasants Fest this week number one,

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01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: Quail and quail. If you're line up these people a hunter,

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01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: people one and a hundred may not be attached, but

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01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: there's a bridge from one to two all the way

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01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: down where these people are all linked together. And it's

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01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: you find you're finding that out. Yeah, it's spread so horizontal,

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01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 1: it's crazy. It was very cool. Good. That's a deep

1542
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 1: plug for I don't have. I can't even get nothing

1543
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: like that. I would like to encourage all your listeners

1544
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: to never let their dogs get out of sight and

1545
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 1: to listen to my podcast called the Hunting Dog Podcast,

1546
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: which we started on the same day three years ago.

1547
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: Shameless shameless plug for available on any format where a

1548
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: fellow find formats they can find The meat Eater they

1549
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: can find the Hunting Dog podcast. You want to do

1550
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: a deep dive into hunting dogs. That goes beyond us

1551
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: losing a couple of right, goes into we've had We've

1552
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 1: had conservations on, We've had trainers on, We've had breeders on,

1553
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: We've had pheasants forever on, Rough Growl Society come on, Loggers,

1554
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: come on. So I try to cover a lot of topics,

1555
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: but just the same shameless plug with the center of

1556
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: the bulls I being bird dogs. Yes, always a connection

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01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: to the person is gonna be a logger. He's got

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01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: to have a bird dog. It's like, you know, we've

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01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 1: got something to yak about. So I thank you for

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01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,759
Speaker 1: starting your podcast in Texas, and we thank Joe Rogan

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01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: for starting you on your podcast in Texas because that's

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01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 1: how you got started first ever episode and that Ransom Canyon, Texas.

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01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 1: And that's as soon as I hum up the headphones,

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01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna do this about dogs wife for me,

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01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 1: So thank you, Stephen Um. I don't have any concluding thoughts.

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01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 1: I do feel real guilty about cutting you off about

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01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 1: that veal, Doug. I don't know why you would feel

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01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 1: guilty about it. Table that up. Thank you for listening,