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Speaker 1: What is going on everybody the Three and Out Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone coming and listening. I'm recording this Thursday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Officially it's actually four twenty as I'm talking into the mic,

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Speaker 1: a little less than seven official days until the start

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Speaker 1: of the draft next week. Can't wait, have a big show.

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Speaker 1: Darius Hayward bay d h B, the number seven overall

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Speaker 1: pick back in two thousand nine to the Oakland Raiders,

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Speaker 1: went on to have a decade long career, played for

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Speaker 1: the Steelers and with Mike Tomlin and Roethlisberger in a

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Speaker 1: B for years. Played with Andrew Luck in the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Having DH beyond to talk about. You know, he ran

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Speaker 1: four three out of the combine and there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a short list of guys that run that fast. How

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Speaker 1: that changed his life the draft process? Uh, just a

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Speaker 1: unique interview a guy that doesn't do much talking. I

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Speaker 1: actually ran into him at the Combine a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago and we've stayed in touch a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and I texted him a couple of weeks ago and

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Speaker 1: I'm glad he uh was awesome. He agreed to do this.

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Speaker 1: We need to get dinner with him once. That's Corona

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Speaker 1: ends here where I live. But I'm excited excited for

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Speaker 1: this interview. And uh, and yeah, everyone that listens on

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Speaker 1: Collin's feed, if you could subscribe to three and out

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Speaker 1: podcasts separately, also leave your review them the three and Out.

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Speaker 1: I greatly appreciate everyone that has and and yeah, hopefully

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Speaker 1: you guys have a good weekend and you enjoy the interview. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome a a special guest, a Barrier

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Speaker 1: native I called my neighbor. We ran into each other

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago at the Combine. Obviously a

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Speaker 1: lot has happened since then. But Darius Hayward Bay, what's

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Speaker 1: up man? How you doing doing well? Thanks for having man,

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Speaker 1: big fan. I listened to your podcast all the time.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Uh. How's life been treating you during

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Speaker 1: during these around the times? Um, you know it's been.

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Speaker 1: I think it's been roal closer for everybody, including my family. Uh,

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Speaker 1: living on the West coast, being away from family on

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Speaker 1: the East Coast. Um, it's definitely tough. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we've all managed to kind of gather things to get

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Speaker 1: things right and just move forward. So I can't complain.

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Speaker 1: I'm blessed. Yeah, you were telling me, Uh, you live

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Speaker 1: right down the road, and you bought your house a

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Speaker 1: little after that. The housing crash in the Bay Area

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Speaker 1: in the last the last decade, I'd imagine it's been

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Speaker 1: good to that property value. It's been good. I mean

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Speaker 1: usually you know, guys when they move on to different teams,

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Speaker 1: I've met my wife out here and it was just,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was smart to keep the house and

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Speaker 1: over time, UM, I just won when it comes to

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Speaker 1: real estate and that in that area. Yeah, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to have you on because obviously, you know, you've been

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Speaker 1: through the draft process, You've been a high pick, and

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Speaker 1: you were a guy that really kind of moved the

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Speaker 1: process started for you, just looking when you were coming

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Speaker 1: out of high school, you're a big recruit. Uh When

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Speaker 1: was the first time you realize when you were playing football, like, damn,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. Well, it took a while. I mean

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know. I didn't make varsity

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Speaker 1: My sophomore year, I tried out and my head coach

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Speaker 1: but you know when you're when you're fifteen, sixteen years old,

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Speaker 1: Mike great Shirt freshman year. That's when I realized, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time when you realized I'm fast? Yeah? Man,

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Speaker 1: to lead on football? How did you end up picking Maryland?

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Speaker 1: I picked Maryland? It's crazy, Uh, everybody in my school

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Speaker 1: loved Alabama. And this is before stating this is because

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Speaker 1: so uh for me, I was just staying home, being

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Speaker 1: you start playing right away and producing. Uh, well, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't do that. I don't produce produced by the way,

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Speaker 1: and I don't play by the way. I get red shirted.

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Speaker 1: And I think that was a really turning point because

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Speaker 1: And then that's when football at Maryland started going good

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Speaker 1: I think being recruited by all these schools, we basically

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Speaker 1: when you're at when I was there, you're frustrating because

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Speaker 1: Maybe trapped would be better. But after that talk with

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Speaker 1: five catches and that in two thousand and twenty, that's

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Speaker 1: not that crazy. But fifteen years ago, like forty five

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I really want to do this.

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Speaker 1: Who wanted to race? When YouTube went at it? Man,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy we've never raced and know what, nobody's asked

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Speaker 1: Four to three? The number that's that's a real number.

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Speaker 1: That's a real number. Of course it was in time,

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Speaker 1: four boards. And for me to have, you know, over

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Speaker 1: I think that really put my name on the map,

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Speaker 1: At the end of my wrestler sophomore year, I put

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Speaker 1: Third round, they give you a grade. And when I

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Speaker 1: time doesn't really mean anything. Well, I think that's a

427
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: big thing right now because the combine didn't exist this year,

428
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: and like last year when when Rugs ran a four

429
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: to eight, like that's a legit four to eight, but

430
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: I was there, so yeah, I mean you can. Now

431
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: you get Jamar Chase who's plays fast, but he doesn't

432
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: play four three eight fast, and so the hand times,

433
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 1: it's fair to say they're all a little manipulated this

434
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: year all over the country at the protest. But I

435
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 1: think that's something that the media gets hyped about. Teams don't, Jim,

436
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't care about the forty time. I mean,

437
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 1: if you're a guy who's fast, that just confirms it.

438
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: If you run a good forty time, you got a

439
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: slow or a guy like a Keenan Allen, a four

440
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: or five guy, and you're right at four or four,

441
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: you might be like, okay, but you're not changing him

442
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: on your board based on the forty time. That's that's

443
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: not happening. Because Crabtree didn't even run that year, right,

444
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: really am right? He never ran. I don't think he ran.

445
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think he maybe had a few workouts

446
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: for some teams. I think he was dealing with injury.

447
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Um, so he didn't run. But like I said,

448
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: the tape doesn't lie, so always based information off that.

449
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: So you have the combine and like you said, you

450
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: know your forty times fantastic, but everyone knew you were fast.

451
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: Your your explosive numbers, your short shuttle were all eye opening.

452
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 1: Did it change everything from then on? Like, did you

453
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: feel a change just the way the teams wanted to

454
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 1: see you? You start traveling around the country. What happens

455
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: after that? The combine? After that? Really you know, I

456
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: go back to Maryland having my pro day, had to

457
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: work out with I mean in front of those teams,

458
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: and then I had a good round of workouts, had

459
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: to work out with Baltimore, had to work out with Philadelphia.

460
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 1: So the workouts start moving up. But things don't really

461
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: get crazy until I had to work out with Baltimore.

462
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: U Joe Flacco came me. Joe Flacco threw throw balls,

463
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: So you had Hugh Jackson was to the quarterback coach

464
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh was there and after the workout, Um, you,

465
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: Jackson said, Man, it was good workout, but unfortunately we

466
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: probably won't we won't see you and I'm like, what

467
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: do you mean. He was like, yeah, we're picking out twenty.

468
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: We we we won't get to you. And I'm just

469
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: thinking to myself. That's when it started clicking, like, wait

470
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: a second, the teams. No, I'm not gonna be there

471
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: at twenty. I'm not gonna be there fifteen. So what

472
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: does that mean? And um, that's when I started thinking, Hey,

473
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: maybe Mike go a little higher than because if I

474
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: would have told you when your season ended and you

475
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: signed with Condon, if you would have went twenty, you

476
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: would have felt pretty good about that. I would have

477
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: been found. So then so once you start getting that,

478
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, then when did did Al Davis and

479
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: the Raiders bring you out for a personal visit one

480
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: of those top thirties? Oh they didn't, they didn't. I didn't.

481
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: I never set foot with in Oakland. I had a

482
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: conversation with James Lofton, who was the wide receiver coach

483
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: at the time. Um, and actually he left after the draft,

484
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: so he never coached me, but I had a conversation

485
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: with him. He flew into Maryland. We had like a

486
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 1: thirty minute conversation station and that was it. That was

487
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: my interaction with Raiders the whole drafting process, so they

488
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: weren't really on my radar. I didn't think I was

489
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: on their radar, the radar at the time. So once

490
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Hugh tells you that and you guys realized that you're

491
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: gonna go on higher, where were you thinking? I was thinking?

492
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking seventeen to the Jets. Um. Henry Heller

493
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: was the wide receiver coach, and he came out to

494
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: Maryland to no workout, just talk, and he was telling

495
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: me how much he loved this game. And I'm like, man,

496
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: my my mom is from Jersey. It would be kind

497
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: of cool to stay on the East Coast. And I'm

498
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: thinking every team the Jets will be be awesome. Um.

499
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: And then, just to give you a little bit more

500
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: information than night before the draft, my agent calls me

501
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 1: and grows out a couple of teams and he does

502
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: mention Oakland, but still you're thinking seven. Probably not, but um.

503
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: On draft Day, UM, when the Jets made the trade

504
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: up to five to take Mark Sanchez, my phone rang

505
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: and that's when I knew it was open. It was

506
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: Tom Cable gave me a call to two picks before

507
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: the seventh pick are you at the draft. No, I'm

508
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: not at the draft. I'm at home. I'm with family

509
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: and friends. Yet so you get the call, what you said, Oh,

510
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: he just you know, let me know. I'm gonna be

511
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: Oakland Raider and I'm I'm ready to work. And of course,

512
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean you say all the good things. You're you're

513
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: hYP you're telling him yeah, and then you know the

514
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: family celebrating. So the trade happens. You look down what four, one,

515
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: five number or whatever. I'm literally the trade happens. I mean,

516
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: Jest didn't even pick Mark Sanchez yet, the trade happens.

517
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: My phone ranks. It was like the same time, I'm like,

518
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: what's going on because I'm thinking Suggets. I'm like, they

519
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: moved up, like they're gonna take me at five and um.

520
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: And then it was Tom Cable and I'm looking at

521
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: the TV and they're they're taking Mark Sanchez and he

522
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: was like, hey, we're gonna take you with the seventh pick.

523
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: And I think the Bengals had the sixth pick and

524
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: they took a tackle and then I was the seventh pick.

525
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: What's that feeling like when you see your name go seven?

526
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's a pretty legendary pick, you know,

527
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: definitely a legendary pick. Um. It was cool. It's funny

528
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: because I had the true emotions two picks before my

529
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: actual pick. Usually guys don't know they're sitting there, they're

530
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: kind of getting the call while you know, the commissioners

531
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: saying their name. But I knew for good twenty minutes

532
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: before my name was called, So we had our excitement already.

533
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: So when we have our sit down and the TV

534
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: and we had ESPN there and everything. My family is

535
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: celebrating because you know, for the cameras, but I'm kind

536
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: of I have uh earbud in my in my ear listening,

537
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: I can hear Chris Carter and all these people's talking

538
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: so bad about me. So if you go back on

539
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: YouTube and you watch me get drafted, you don't see

540
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: me celebrating. You're actually hearing me listen to the bad

541
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: nowth thing that I'm getting about me getting drafted. It's

542
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: supposed to be the happiest day of your life at

543
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: that moment. Feeling like hearing people basically talk shit about

544
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: you as you get picked number seven. Overall, it's a

545
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: crazy feeling when you're twenty one years old. I guess

546
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: I was twenty just turned twenty two. When you're twenty

547
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: two years old, that's that's hard to handle. That's hard

548
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: to to hear that when you're supposed to be happy.

549
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean, did you ever talk to Chris about that? Later?

550
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: Do you ever run into No? I actually reached out

551
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: to Chris Carter maybe three or four years until my

552
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: league in the league. UM, I didn't want to because

553
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: I think I had some type of feeling towards that situation.

554
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know the man. So I wanted to

555
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: become a better receiver, so I reached out to him

556
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: to two um to try to get better, see if

557
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: he can help me become a better receiver. And never

558
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: heard back from him. So that's just how the cookie cumbles. Man.

559
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: So you get picked, what won't. So the first time

560
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: you ever met Al Davis was when you actually flew

561
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: out after you were picked. Man, it's crazy. Didn't even

562
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: get flown out after I got picked. What happened? I'm

563
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: looking at your face right out. Yeah, you're kind of surprising.

564
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: I was probably the only guy in the top ten

565
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: who didn't get flown in the next day until press

566
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: conference or anything. My first press conference was rookie It

567
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: wasn't even rookie minicamp. We had a mini camp because

568
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: we had a brand new coach in Tom Cable, so

569
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: we had the extra minicamp. So maybe a month, maybe

570
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: three or four weeks after the draft. That's one of

571
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: my first time I came to Oakland. Wow, times have

572
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: changed because now immediately the press conference don't mean the

573
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: same times would change. I would say, um, that was

574
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: a Raider. That was a Raider thing. So what was

575
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: it like showing up you get drafted by the Raiders.

576
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Al Davis that practice field with the with the fence

577
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: all blacked out. You know, I was freaked out. What's that?

578
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just going through a living legend at

579
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I think that's what it is.

580
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: You know, you're going to an historic place. You know,

581
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: you're going to an owner that is revered in the league.

582
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Jerry Jones, you got Al Davis.

583
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: That's why I look at owners, you know, I look

584
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: at that. I mean, of course Robber Kraft with what

585
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: he's done with winning, but you listen to look at

586
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: these iconic figures. So of course this is this mystique

587
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: about Al Davis and narrators. When you pull up and

588
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: it's all there, Like you said, the black fence, you

589
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: pull up, you see the three Super Bowl rings. Soon

590
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: as you walk into the building, they'll let you know, hey,

591
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: we have these. And um, just meeting out, just um,

592
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: just seeing how how smart he is, even in the

593
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: state that he was in in two thousand nine. You know,

594
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: he was just very smart. He was sharp. He knew

595
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: his stuff, He knew football. Do you remember the first

596
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: time you ever met him in the conversation you guys had, Yeah,

597
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: I was in this office and um, you know, he's

598
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: showing me all the pictures of the great players, and

599
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: I asked them. I said, it's okay for me to

600
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: wear the number twelve. Ka I knew that was Kenth

601
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Stabler's number. And he said, hey, you're worthy of it.

602
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: You can do what you want, you know, because I

603
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: don't think just like in Pittsburgh, I don't think any numbers.

604
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: Are we tired? Yeah, so things are open, but I

605
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: wanted to show respect and asking that question. But it

606
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: was an awesome conversation. Well, I was lucky enough after

607
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: you were gone, but be around that franchise and the

608
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: old guys that come around. It has this kind of

609
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: collegiant feel for an NFL franchise, right their old legends

610
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: come around. It's it's a powerful place. It really is.

611
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: That had to be pretty eye opening for some coming

612
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: across the country. But then the Raider who were big

613
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: on the East Coast too, I mean, they're just a

614
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: national fan base would be pretty cool. The fan base

615
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I mean, my mom still talks to the

616
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: fans from the Raiders. I mean she still goes to

617
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: the parties. Uh So, everything about Oakland and the fact

618
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: that I still live here and I'm still amongst the

619
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: fans who who still love their Raiders even though they're

620
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Um, it's just kind of cool, which is

621
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: being being in this area in the Bay Area. You know,

622
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: you have great perspective because you then went later in

623
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: your career, played in Pittsburgh for what four years? Five years?

624
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Five years five years longer? I mean you were drafted

625
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: the Raiders when Al's health was kind of declining. He

626
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: passed away when you were there, right, uh, And it

627
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: was just going through some pretty low moments in the franchise.

628
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: You know, coming from Maryland, Ralph Freeze, you guys had

629
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: a pretty you know, successful program. Did you know right

630
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: away this is kind of a crazy because yours When

631
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: I look at your stats, I mean you were a

632
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: productive player in the NFL for a team that had

633
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: quarterback issues. It's not like you were having ten catches

634
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: a year. You know. It's I think that's kind of

635
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: the perspective the uh. I think that's perceived out there,

636
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. Necessarily the Raiders were a disaster, right oh,

637
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: nine ten of leven? Did you know, Like this is

638
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: pretty nuts? Um, you look back and you you just

639
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: think about what happened at your time at any team.

640
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: But it was it was definitely crazy. I mean it's

641
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: not easy to come onto a team and you know,

642
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: your four years there, you have three head coaches, four

643
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: o c s, eight starting quarterbacks. That's tough to handle,

644
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: Um for anybody, and for me it was. But you know,

645
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: I try to find a silver lining and everything. I

646
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: enjoyed my time in Oakland, but um, there was times

647
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: where we were actually were good. We had to eight

648
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: and eight seasons, and both times we were eight and

649
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: a both coaches got fired. And um, the teams that

650
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: was on in Oakland when we went four and I

651
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: think four and twelve. I knew those teams were bad.

652
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: I knew in training camp we were bad. I called

653
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and be like, we suck, and she's like,

654
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He was eight and eight last year.

655
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: We suck? And you just know. I mean, you've been

656
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: the NFL training camps. You know the vibe. You know

657
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: what players are playing to their level they're they're capable of.

658
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: So in Oakland it was tough. But for me, I

659
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: think it just gave me a strength to kind of

660
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: push on and further my career. And for me, I

661
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: always looked at like this, I've had a full career.

662
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: I've been starter, I've been a role player, I've been

663
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: a guy fired for his life and the special teams,

664
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: and I think I've seen it all. So I think

665
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: it is a cool perspective to have. It's pretty crazy

666
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: because when you got there, it was JaMarcus the second year,

667
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: he was a starting quarterback for third Yes, by the

668
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: end of it, like Carson was traded, like it, and

669
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: I see it all. I mean to go through JaMarcus

670
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: being there, you know, Jason Campbell playing well, breaking in

671
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: the collar bone, and then two weeks later trading for

672
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: Carson and learning a whole new offense mid season. Um,

673
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: it was a lot, but you know we were built

674
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: for it. Me Lewis, Murphy, Jacobe before you know that

675
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: our crew, we was built for David Special You had

676
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: some speed right there, yes, speed, but I think he

677
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: had guys who had character to handle the chaos that

678
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: moves around. I mean, ol dies. You know we have

679
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson as the head coach and things completely changed.

680
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: You know, he trades for Carson, So it's a lot,

681
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: but um, I wouldn't change it for the world. I know.

682
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: It's of someone from the outside who knew of you,

683
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: mainly because you were drafted really high and just and

684
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: then once I got in the league. You spent the

685
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: one year at Indy, but then your career you had

686
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. I mean that was I mean at the

687
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: time you were, your teams were dominant. They're really the

688
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: only team you couldn't beat, right were the Steeler or

689
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean the we're the Patriots. But like you guys

690
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: had some fantastic teams. How did that happen? Did you

691
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: know that? Were they interested to one year when you

692
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: were a free agent when you went to Indy. Uh,

693
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: just talk a little bit about how you ended up

694
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: signing there. Yeah. So after Indy, Um, I got a

695
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: call from my agent and he said, hey, um, Pittsburgh

696
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: wants to bring you in. And I was just coming

697
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: off of a hamstring injury. Uh with with Indy and

698
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: he was that lux was that lux rookie year in

699
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: third year? Second year, second year? Yeah, that's the second year.

700
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: And that's the the season where we beat Kansas City,

701
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: was down like twenty eight points, twenty four points and

702
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: coming that crazy shootout in the playoffs. Yeah, in the playoffs.

703
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: So that was my first taste of playoffs and that

704
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: was crazy first playoff game that happened. So that was cool.

705
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: But um, I got a call from my agent and

706
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, Pittsburgh wants to bring you in.

707
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, but I can't work out, Like

708
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: the hamstring is not good. And he's like, no, they

709
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: just want to bring you in. They just want to

710
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: get a field for the person. So I went out

711
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: there to Pittsburgh, met with Tomlin, Kevin Colbert, the GM

712
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: and had a good you know conversation. They just wanted

713
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: to know where my mind was. And coach Tomlin just

714
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: laid it out, Hey, we want football players. Nothing's gonna

715
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: be promised to you. You You gotta work. And I think

716
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: that was an environment that I needed. I needed an

717
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: environment that wasn't just gonna be like, hey, you're gonna start. Hey,

718
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna bring you in. Here you go.

719
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: So it was really at the bottom that I had

720
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: to start from the bottom. I was making lead minimum.

721
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I was, you know, a one year deal, one year deal.

722
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: I was the seventh receiver in the room. You had

723
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: guys who was on practice squad who knew the offense.

724
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: So I was really behind the eight ball. And for me,

725
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: I just put my head down and I treated myself

726
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: like I always do, but I treated myself like I

727
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: was a guy trying to make the team. All the

728
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: being a top ten draft pick, all that stuff was

729
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: out the window. I had to really prove myself and

730
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: earned the respect not only the coaches but my teammates.

731
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: And I was able to do that. I'm not just

732
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: saying this because you're on I mean to sign a

733
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: veteran minimum with a powerhouse team and fourteen and then

734
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: to go on to play four more seasons after that

735
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: with that same team with the same head coach and GM,

736
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: especially a powerhouse, like that's impressive, you know, I mean seriously, because,

737
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: like you said, you had been a high pick, you

738
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: had made a lot of coin, and now you're taking

739
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: a role like they value, and they value like there's

740
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: probably not many teams in the league that scout better

741
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: than them, right, especially the receiver position. Receiver position. But

742
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: for sure, and for me, of course, you go in

743
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: thinking like, yeah, I'm gonna play receiver, and then you know,

744
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: you get through training camp and you you I've never

745
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: played special teams before. I've never ran down on the gunner.

746
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: I've never ran off on kickoff in high school, college,

747
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: you never would have never would have no no point

748
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: to But most, but most, you know, people who are

749
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: listening to your podcasts don't realize, like that's majority of

750
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: the league, majority of the league, or guys running down

751
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: on kickoff and doing special teams. They're the backup. And

752
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: that was the first time I was thrown into that

753
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: role and I had to learn how to play special teams.

754
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to tackle, and I took

755
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: that all on and be kind of became like the

756
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: perfect um guy that coach Tom and Colleen on and

757
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: be like, Yo, this guy can do it. He has

758
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: the money, he has the pedigree. But if he can

759
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: go down there and run off on kickoff, all you

760
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: other guys who aren't Antonio Brown should be doing the

761
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: exact same thing. Were you scared? I mean at first,

762
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: I mean that's a pretty violent position. Obviously receivers too,

763
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: but you can kind of like avoid there's no avoid

764
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: it on gunner like or kickoff, right. I wouldn't say

765
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: it's never you can't sing in the NFL. Did you

766
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: think like this is gonna be a different different beast here? Oh? Yeah,

767
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: this is definitely a different animal. I mean, your your

768
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: your mentality playing gunner, it's crazy. I mean I remember

769
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: my rookie year. I'm watching the Gunners and the guy

770
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: got thrown into the Gatorway bottles and I'm like, whoa, Like,

771
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: there's no rules out, there's there's no passing affairs, there's

772
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: no holding. It's a it's a dog fight and um,

773
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: but when you're trying to fight for your NFL career,

774
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter. Run through a brick wall. Whatever makes

775
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: it makes it easier. It makes it easier when you know,

776
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: like hey, especially when you're fighting for something. For me,

777
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: I was fighting for something that I felt like it

778
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: was never done before. You've heard of guys who be

779
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: top ten draft picks and they played through four years

780
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: and then they out the league. I knew I had

781
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: you had you had played with one in Oakland and

782
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: jamacus right right right? I played with him one and

783
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: then you know, I also played with Darren and Fatten,

784
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: who decided to stay in Oakland to prove that he

785
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: was still like, not a great player, but proved that

786
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, he's not a selfish guy. He's a running

787
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: back that's here for the team. And I looked at

788
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: my time in Pittsburgh, this is my opportunity to not

789
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: only show the world, but show that other jarhn ross

790
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: a treade. Well, hey, your career doesn't have to end

791
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: after four years on that team. You could go on

792
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: and make it tune just like I did. Yeah, you're

793
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to sacrifice. Yeah you might not get thirty

794
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: catches in the season. You might not, but hey, trust me,

795
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: the fact that I was on the team that every year.

796
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I think my last year there, we went hiring wild

797
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: card next round, you know, went to the n SC championship.

798
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: I was a part of great teams and I was

799
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: a great a part of seeing great players play at

800
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: high level just because I made the sacrifice to to

801
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: play in the league. Loaner, when you realize you were

802
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: pretty good at special teams, UM, probably my second year

803
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. That first year was still learning, like learning

804
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: just the the lingo, just how to talk. I've never

805
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: been in a specialties meeting. So that second year that's

806
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: when I really like, hey, I can become good at this.

807
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: And as I was getting good at that, I was

808
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: actually becoming, um the best receiver I ever became too.

809
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: And I get that credit to the coach man a

810
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver coach, and also just being around, in my opinion,

811
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: the fourth best receiver to ever play the game. And

812
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: then Tonio Brown. What I think people are so fascinating,

813
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: especially around the draft time, like all the Steelers know

814
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: what they're doing. What why are they so good with

815
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I think they try to find guys who

816
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: are football players first, when them, when of them, what

817
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean by saying that is is that they're they're

818
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: not devas when it comes to like, well, I don't

819
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: want to get hit Oh, I don't want to block.

820
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: Oh I don't want to go across the middle. No,

821
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: these are guys who are football players first, like they're

822
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: hung read to just play football. That's a B, that's Juju,

823
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: that's Claypool. You know. Those are those guys like you

824
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: can put them in any environment. They're there to play football.

825
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: And then I think number two, they find guys who

826
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: have a little bit of chip on their shoulder. Of course,

827
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: none of the guys they draft go first round, so

828
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: they all have this chip on their show the A

829
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: B six round, Juju second round, Claypool second round, James Washington,

830
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: who wanted to belit the call if it's a second

831
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: round draft pick, there's a chip on your shoulders. So

832
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: they come in with that mentality. When you got there,

833
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: was that was fourteen abes kind of breakout year to

834
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: start them? Was that the year before? He was so

835
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: the year before was his breakout, breakout year. But I'll

836
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: I had a pleasure of five years seeing a five

837
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: year stretch that it's only seen maybe once or twice before,

838
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: and it was amazing to see every every day and

839
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: practice and didn't see it on Sundays. Why was he

840
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: so good? Oh, man, of course you tell people, oh,

841
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: he can run great rounds. He can do two things.

842
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: The confidence he has in himself is unmatched. I mean,

843
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: you asked a b how tall are you are? How

844
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: tall you are? He would say he's six five. Yeah,

845
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: you asked hibody mean you run a four four? He'd

846
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: be like, no, no no, I run a four for one.

847
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: Like that's his mentality, that's in his head. He believes

848
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: that about himself. And then the next part is is

849
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: that his conditioning is on a whole another level. So

850
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: in the first quarter, everybody's fresh, everybody's running a thousand

851
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: miles per hour. But the fourth quarter hour of playing football,

852
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have the same juice. That's safety,

853
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: That safety doesn't have the same juice and be still

854
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: running on a thousand. So his mentality when it came

855
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: to working out in practice, what's go a thousand miles

856
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: per hour? And I've seen that. I was like, Wow,

857
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: that's how you become great. You were there when some

858
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: of those weird ass games, not weird but violent, crazy

859
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: games with Cincinnati right having that money night game where

860
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: they be and just was that is hate? The hate

861
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: there is as real as it felt with us watching it. Yeah,

862
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: for sure. When you're playing that division we call it

863
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: the Black and Blue Divisions, the North, it's it's uh.

864
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean, and the Bengals were good then too. Angles

865
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: were good. I mean, be honest with you, Like if

866
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: we weren't as good as we were, they were a

867
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: good team. I mean, Baltimore was struggling in that five

868
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: year stretch. You know, they want the super Bowl and

869
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: instruct but I'll tell you how real it was. It

870
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: was hatred. It was real. It was real hate. I

871
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: mean the way they went about their business. We just

872
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: didn't like. We looked at them as pretenders. We looked

873
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: at us in Baltimore's equals, and we looked at of

874
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: course the Browns are at the bottom, but we look

875
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: at the Angles and you know, their firm armers. They're

876
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: trying to be They're trying to look the part, but

877
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: they really can't. They can't be. So uh. To have

878
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: those tough games, Um, to have a situation with having

879
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: to Ryan shaz here against Cincinnati is just all like too.

880
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: When I look back, I'm just like, man, like, that's

881
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: football for you, you know, motions, everything gets crazy. I

882
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: thought that year when she got hurt. You guys were

883
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: the best team in the league. I mean your offense

884
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: was unstoppable and your defense was fantastic and he and

885
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: he really made you go. And then when he left,

886
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: it just it didn't quite feel the same. But that

887
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: team was that your best team there before he that

888
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: was our best. That was our best team. UM, tell

889
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. That's not the year we didn't

890
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: even go to a championship. I think it was a

891
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: different year when you upset the Chiefs right in Kansas

892
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: City and Ab had that game winning catch on like

893
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: third and long or whatever. That was that. But that

894
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: year that you're talking about, Ryan got hurt. We all

895
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: lost to Denver in the playoffs. And that's the year

896
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: that Peyton Manning beat uh Brady. Yeah, that was and

897
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: that was our opportunity to beat the Patriots. If you

898
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: go back and watch that, Payton was the Patriots weren't good.

899
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't as good because we played the Patriots Week

900
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: one and they beat us, and we left that stadium

901
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: saying they do not want to play us again, trust me,

902
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: because we didn't have Um, we didn't have Martevious and

903
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: we didn't have l Bell. Now we didn't have l

904
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: Bell later on in the season he is injuring his knee.

905
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: But still we had um D'Angelo Williams who had to Toussan.

906
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: We had a good group of guys that can go

907
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: out there and told the ball from the backfield. So yeah,

908
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: it was very disappointed losing that season because we were really,

909
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: really that good. Were you sitting on the plane when

910
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: their car got pulled over for getting high on the

911
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: way to the plane and one of them got a

912
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: d U I and didn't didn't taken to the plane.

913
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? I remember that. I remember when

914
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: we had the team meeting with offensive meeting and I'm like, yo,

915
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: where's l Bell and Blunt? Like where are they at?

916
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: And um, they told me what happened. I just started

917
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: laughing because I knew, now, only did you get in

918
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: trouble with that, then you have to buy your own

919
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: flight to the game. Is there any better coach to

920
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 1: deal with that stuffing? Mike Thomas? Mike Thomas the best.

921
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: I mean, he keeps it real. I mean he's the

922
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: best coach I ever had because he's a leader of men.

923
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: He knows how to motivate everyone. I think that's a

924
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: special talent to have to be able to connect and

925
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: motivate everybody because you got guys from all different walks

926
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: of life. And then just how he handles discipline. You

927
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: need to know who you are. If you're not a

928
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: B Bend, if you're not VET you, there's certain things

929
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: you can't do and he will let you know just

930
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: like that, Hey you're not a B. Were you there

931
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: on the team when he went live on Facebook? Remember that? Yeah? Yeah,

932
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, That's when it was the playoff gamef

933
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: That's when B was really kind of coming into it.

934
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: But I actually don't even think doubt is that crazy? No,

935
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: it really wasn't. I mean I think it happens probably

936
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: more than people even realize on it more often than anything.

937
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: I just think it wasn't he talking ship in the background,

938
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin or something that was basically saying like what

939
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: the deal was, like, yo, that we need to beat

940
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Yeah they got a day ahead of us,

941
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: but I mean, just keeping it real. But hey, that's

942
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: how how things go. And you know a B got

943
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: crucified for that, and then you saw what happened after. Yeah,

944
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: it just that was a crazy little run of Pittsburgh

945
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: teams that were fantastic and they just never got over

946
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: the hump. But you guys were a powerhouse. I mean,

947
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean, actually this do you think it will be

948
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: an interesting story to talk about, like the Killer Bees,

949
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: like a team that just couldn't couldn't win. I think

950
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: it happens a lot in like basketball, you get teams

951
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: with a group of star players that can't get over

952
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: the hump. It's rare and football, but I do think

953
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: kind of in this era, I mean, Tom, they were

954
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: winning every Super Bowl, right, I mean, it's just you

955
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: just ran into an all time dynasty. What are you

956
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: gonna do? You ran into George when we ran into

957
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: the Bulls and the game when you lost right in

958
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: the FC Championship, didn't levey On tweaker his leg like

959
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: the first series that was when we was being in

960
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: Kansas City, l bel Be Miami. He won those two

961
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: first playoff games for us. We're going to New On,

962
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: New England. Five players in growing game over. Yeah, you

963
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: felt you felt the air just out of our sideline

964
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: was over as soon as he got hurt. You still

965
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: stay pretty locked into all the wide receivers that come

966
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: out every year as I do, man, I'm big on it.

967
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: Who we like him this year? I mean, of course

968
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: you got your your you got Chase Um. I'm a

969
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: big fan of him. I think he reminds me of

970
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: a stronger Keenan Allen, a stronger you know, he can

971
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: run the ball. I mean you might have to catch.

972
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be big for him. You know,

973
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: if you can run a twelve yard in and take it,

974
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: you know, an extra fifteen carrying a safety on his bag,

975
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: I think he can do that. I love Davonte Smith.

976
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: I think people need to push aside. The one six

977
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: is wait. I mean the routes, the Combati catches, I

978
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: think that's high level. And in the NFL you have

979
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: to make Combati catches. You gotta make those contested catches.

980
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: And he showed that he can do that. But but

981
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, one s six, I mean, I get the

982
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: league is a lot different, but like Mike Mitchell, you

983
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: play with him twice, you know, and then and and

984
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: those guys don't necessarily exist anymore, but they would one

985
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: sixty six, I mean, how much you wait with you

986
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: two twounds came in a two ten to end up

987
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: playing getting up to twenty at one point, I know

988
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: when you got knocked out and one sixty six is

989
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: he'd be the smallest player on the field every time.

990
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Like to me, I'm not saying that's gonna determine his

991
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: success or failure. That is really small though, that is

992
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: really small. But I think it's very I think you

993
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: gotta he has to go to the right team and

994
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: you have to use him correctly. Like what happened to

995
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: me getting hit perfectly on the chin and being knocked out,

996
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: that might what won't happen to him. Why were you

997
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: about his A C joints? I worry about collar bones.

998
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm worried about you know, in the league, these d tackles,

999
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: they're chasing you from behind like you they were like me,

1000
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: They're they're full speed, you know. Uh so, yeah, you're

1001
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: worried about But I always just look at like somebody

1002
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: like t Y Hilton. T Y Hilton. It's small. T

1003
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: Y Hilton's five nine maybe four three eight guy. Yeah,

1004
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: But it's all how I think it's all about how

1005
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: you use use a player. Because for for DeVante, for example,

1006
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: like I think he's like high for fource, you know,

1007
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: he's not like the Shawn or rugs or you. No, no,

1008
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: he's not. But the speed part doesn't matter. On that part,

1009
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: I think it's how you use him. I would use

1010
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: him in the slot, and we're using a lot of

1011
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: out routes. He's gonna be always breaking, stay away from

1012
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: the from the traffic, and inside no screens. I would

1013
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: barely run him on the slant. I would use his

1014
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: ability that when he knows it's just him and the

1015
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: ball in a small d be, I'm breaking routes. I'll

1016
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: breaking routes. I'm going to make those plays every time.

1017
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: That's how I use Gavante. How about his teammate Waddle,

1018
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: I like that. That guy's pretty sweet. Well why let

1019
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Why do you like a guy

1020
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: like Waddle over those two? Well, he's more I like

1021
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: Chase the most. To me, Waddle, I just lean and

1022
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for explosion. I got lot all Davis

1023
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: and me and to me that that the thing with

1024
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: with Davante is like, you know, if he's a four

1025
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: or four eight guy or four or five, he's a

1026
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: great receiver, and then the defense of him is he's

1027
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: played at this way in his whole life. He goes

1028
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: against to me Waddle though his speed, Like eventually you

1029
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: just get matched up on a corner who also can

1030
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: run right, and he he comes like I just gotta

1031
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: beat you one on one with my speed, and I

1032
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: know that he can. Like he is just unreal, just

1033
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: explosive player with the ball in his hands or even

1034
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: getting open. I don't have to scheme it as much.

1035
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: I can just let my athlete make plays for sure,

1036
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: kind of like the Produce kid, I think the something

1037
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: more who's really explosive player to right, This is my

1038
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: take on explosive players like that. I think you have

1039
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: two sides to it. You could be Tyreek Hill or

1040
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: you will be Tabon Austin. So there's a there's a

1041
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: balance to that. And for me, if I'm a team

1042
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: picking in the top ten, top fifteen, I want the Chase,

1043
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: I want the Smith, I want the kid from Minnesota.

1044
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: You know, I want those guys. Now. If I can

1045
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: get a Waddle late in the first early second round,

1046
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: that's great because like you said, you plug him in screens,

1047
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: go balls. But is he going to become Tyreek Hill?

1048
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's only one Tyree Hill. Yeah, he's not

1049
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: that big too. That's what I'm saying he's not big,

1050
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: but I'm saying like that speed and a guy who's

1051
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: short waddles waddle five nine, he's not tall. Something Just

1052
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: saying like, do you want Tyreek Hill. Yeah you can

1053
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: get that, but you also might get Tabon Austin, which

1054
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: is not bad, but that's not a top ten pick.

1055
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: I think a b how much they be when you

1056
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: play with him. When I played with him, yeah, he

1057
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: was bigger, but when he came in he was small. Yeah,

1058
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: and he really made it. He was such an elite

1059
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver right his hands, his route running, his just

1060
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: his endurance. If you're gonna love DeVante Smith, you're gonna go.

1061
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: He's gonna be such a great wide receiver. His weight

1062
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: won't mean ship right now. The knock I've heard from

1063
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: scouts is like, if you do put him outside, not

1064
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: just in the slot, you kind of use them everywhere,

1065
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: which is how good players get used. There aren't that

1066
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: many Richard Sherman's in the league that are going to

1067
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: destroy him at the line of scrimmage anymore. Right Like

1068
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: when you got in the league, there was a lot

1069
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: of press corners and it was I mean I played

1070
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: with one with Namdi. I mean he was the king

1071
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: of it. I mean his arms, he'd be a problem

1072
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: on on DeVante a problem. But also what you gotta

1073
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: remember just how how the game has changed on offense,

1074
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: the game has changed on defense. Like DeVante Smith has

1075
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 1: gone against these corners. It's the same corners from colleagues.

1076
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: They played the exact same way. He's not playing against

1077
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman. Like the Richard Sherman's are gone. The guys

1078
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: who are from my era, there no more. The dbs

1079
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: and receivers, they're the exact same way. The dvs to me,

1080
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: don't know how to get hands on receivers. They don't

1081
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: know how to attract the ball. But I think Justin

1082
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: Jefferson is a great example of you can transition from

1083
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: colleagues in the NFL easier now because the rules, but

1084
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: also just the fact that dbs aren't as good. I

1085
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: think it speaks the quarterback play too. When you came

1086
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: in the league playing quarterback, I mean it's still hard.

1087
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: It was really hard. I mean I saw highlight today

1088
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: earlier day of like Steve Young in the nineties, like

1089
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: your windows were tiny. It's just it's so much more

1090
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: spread out now. So when you look at these quarterbacks

1091
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: playing with band, playing that year with luck, is it

1092
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: fair to say obviously, once you have the physical attributes,

1093
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: all these guys have special you know, the band's the Lucks, JaMarcus, whoever.

1094
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: But what determined success or failure at quarterback is Monday

1095
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: through Saturday stuff that you know you get to see

1096
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: but I saw for a couple of years when I

1097
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: work in the league, But most peop will never see

1098
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: the work ethic all that type stuff. How important is

1099
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: that stuff for those guys? I mean super important, super important.

1100
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: I mean if the quarterback is not working and it's

1101
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: not on top of details and at least given the

1102
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: parents that he's doing that, you won't have the rest

1103
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: of the guys follow you. Um And, and that's part

1104
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: of leadership. Um And, like you said, I've played with

1105
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: a lot of different quarterbacks. I've played with a lot

1106
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: of talented ones. And I tell people, probably the most

1107
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: talented quarterback I ever been around, it's probably your Marcus

1108
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: slinging it. I'm so, I'm talking about through a hole

1109
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: through your chest. But you know the other side of

1110
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: that is, you know the preparation that Carson Palmer brought

1111
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: and attention to detail every day. I mean literally we

1112
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: would on every Wednesday and every Friday after practice six

1113
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon, will be in the quarterback meeting

1114
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: room watching third down cut ups. This is what we're

1115
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna do on third down. I never did that with you, Marcus.

1116
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: And he showed up in the middle of the season,

1117
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: right right, This is Carson showing in the middle of

1118
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: the season like, hey, we gotta we gotta do it

1119
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: this way. And I imagine when Tom Brady got to

1120
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: the Patriot, I mean got to Tampa. It was the

1121
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: same thing, same coach, the same player, but one player

1122
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: came in and changed the mindset, changed everybody's thought process

1123
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: when they come into the work are coming too the workplace,

1124
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: so um being around and you love Carson Um and

1125
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: even Ben I give you know, I think Bank gets

1126
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: a bad rap when it comes to how prepared he is.

1127
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: He just does it in a different way, and you

1128
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: know on Sunday he's gonna bring it. He's gonna be

1129
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: one of the best players on the field. When you

1130
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: were around Luck that second year, did you realize, like

1131
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: this guy is pretty special? Pretty fast? I knew he

1132
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: was special because he was a twenty three year old

1133
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: acting like he was thirty four. Just his mentality towards

1134
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, I remember I came first time

1135
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: I came to the team. It was an offseason workouts

1136
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: of first time meeting him. After the whole workout, meet him,

1137
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: rare routes, just me and him for half an hour,

1138
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: and he filmed it and then we watched it. This

1139
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: is second year player and had did that with me.

1140
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: Had nothing to do with the team and nothing to

1141
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: do with the coaches. He wanted to make sure me

1142
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: and him were on the same page. Hey, you're gonna

1143
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: be my You're gonna be It's gonna be Reggie, you

1144
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: and t Y. Alright, I've already got a relationship with Reggie, alright,

1145
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: got relationship with t Y. I need a relationship with you.

1146
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: So he went that far when the first day I

1147
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: ever met him, this is what we're gonna do. And

1148
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: then you talk about Ben I think, you know, on

1149
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: the outside against the rap like he's not grinding, Like

1150
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: what was that like? Just been in the facility with

1151
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: you guys. He was pretty established by then, right, Obviously

1152
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: he wanted suit a couple of Super Bowls and Pro Bowls.

1153
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: He was an elite player. I mean, he was one

1154
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: of the best players in the league when you showed up.

1155
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: I always say, people gotta understand this. When you're an

1156
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: older player in the league, it's tough to relate to

1157
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: the young guys. I mean I know for me, all

1158
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: was thirty one years old with guys that were twelve

1159
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: years old when I got drafted. So that's that's how

1160
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: much the age guy. So when it comes to Ben,

1161
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: if you're older, guys easy to have a conversation with

1162
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: Ben and hey, Ben, what do you think about this

1163
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: if I did this on this route, you know. But

1164
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: if you're a young guy, um, that relationship needs to

1165
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: be built over time, you know, over making plays and

1166
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: practice in you know, in games and Ben opens up,

1167
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: he will open up more and have more conversation with

1168
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: you once you prove that, you know, you're reliable in

1169
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: the field, because that's what we're here to do. We're

1170
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: not here to just be friends. Were here to win

1171
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: football games, and I think that's best approach to the game.

1172
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: You have a unique perspective on this because you've probably

1173
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: been around so many offensive coordinators. We talked so much

1174
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: about the head coach, but the coordinator a little more

1175
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: under the radar. Yet they're really famous and we all

1176
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: think we can do their job. What makes a great coordinator.

1177
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: I think what makes a great coordinator is a guy

1178
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: as a as a coach that has assist them, but

1179
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: it's willing to bend. And what I mean by that

1180
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: willing to bend is some coaches have an ego that

1181
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: their offense is going to win the game. But the

1182
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: best offensive coordinators or coordinators in general, we are the

1183
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: ones like, what do you do best? If you're a

1184
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: speed guy, if you're a guy who's better on the

1185
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: left side of the formation, I see like, Hey, I'm

1186
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: like you could give go that detail with it, I'm

1187
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: gonna make sure me as an offensive coordina, I'm gonna

1188
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: draw a place it's gonna put you in the best

1189
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: position to win, which is going to help us win.

1190
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: But when you have coaches that believe, hey, this is

1191
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: my offense, this is the way we're doing they can't

1192
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: even take a suggestion from the quarter from the quarterback

1193
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: or from a veteran receiver. I think, um disasters way

1194
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: to happen. Who's the best coordinator you played with? For

1195
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: who that's a tough one. I've had a lot. That's

1196
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: a tough one. I would probably say the best coordinator

1197
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: I had. It's a toss up, and I think you're

1198
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: gonna laugh at who the two people I say the

1199
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: best two coordinators I've ever had was Todd Haley and

1200
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson. Why I was expecting Todd Haley because I

1201
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: know he gets a bad rap because he's crazy or whatever.

1202
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: But his offense, he was Kurt Warner's offensive coordinator Lary

1203
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald when they went the Super Bowl and play the

1204
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: Steelers and then for you guys putting up these crazy

1205
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: numbers year in year out. He's out of the league now,

1206
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: but I mean should look at his resume. I mean yeah,

1207
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, resume is good. And on the reason why

1208
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: I go to those two guys, I think Hugh Jackson,

1209
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: of course, is a better offensive coordinator than head coach,

1210
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: clear clearly, um and you know, and that's why he

1211
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: keeps getting these little, small, small, odd jobs from the NFL.

1212
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: PA did workal quarterbacks and do because he's very smart.

1213
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: He knows exactly what he's doing. But what made him

1214
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: good was he was always aggressive every game we came

1215
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: in with the mindset that we're going with on go

1216
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: balls and we're going to score touchdowns. He did that

1217
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: with A. J. Green when he was with the Bengals,

1218
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: and he did that with us when we want eight

1219
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: and eight, like we was scoring touchdowns. When it comes

1220
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: to Todd, I think Todd uh throughout his time in

1221
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: Arizona and other stops, I think he got very he

1222
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: he was humble, and when he got to Pittsburgh he

1223
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: opened up his palette of Hey, I can take suggestions,

1224
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: and I think that's what made it work between him

1225
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: and Ben. He allowed Ben to have this input and

1226
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: then Ben opened up to be like, hey, you too,

1227
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: and that's why we were successful in Pittsburgh. Do you

1228
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: think coordinators, you know, because there's not necessarily a parallel

1229
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: beat just because you're a great coordinator gonna be a

1230
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: great head coach. You had a front room seat for

1231
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: Tomlin for five years, Like, what's something that a coordinate

1232
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: that has zero translation to becoming a head coach? Like

1233
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: clearly because Tomlin was only a one year defensive coordinator, right,

1234
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: and he just got a contract extension, He's gonna be

1235
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: there for like thirty years a right, Right? I think

1236
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: when when you're hiring a head coach is all about

1237
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: a guy who's a leader, who can leave man offensive coordinators. Yeah,

1238
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: you want a guy who can draw the excess and

1239
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: notes and breakdown running scheme. But the head coach it's

1240
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: not made for everybody, Like you said, coach Tomlin. I mean,

1241
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: look at Andy Reid. I think Andy Reid from AFAR.

1242
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't know him, and you you know Andy, right.

1243
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: I think what Andy Reid's greatest strength is that he

1244
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: allows his coaches to coach. He allows them to have

1245
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: and put you know, he he empowers them, He empowers

1246
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: the player. Coach Tomlin does that, he empowers us. He

1247
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: lets the locker room police themselves. Like I don't need

1248
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: to be walking through the locker room. This is your domain.

1249
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: Keep the bathrooms clean, keep the locker room clean. Those

1250
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: are coaches and I don't need to have rules on

1251
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: the wall if you have a coach that does that.

1252
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: So you guys don't have any of that stuff in Pittsburgh.

1253
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: None of that, None of the fluffy crap, None of

1254
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: the fluffy stuff. Somebody taking a roll call, who's here. No,

1255
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: we don't have none of that. You know, check in

1256
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: on the road about going to bed on top none

1257
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, well, I mean we have you know,

1258
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: we have somebody checking the room check, room check, but

1259
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: it's not strict because you know, when these are wrong,

1260
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: Coach Tomlin will come in with his piece of paper.

1261
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: You have to listen names and he would be like

1262
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred und fifteen indre and you know, okay, that

1263
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: person did something bad and we'll move on. But we're

1264
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Speaker 1: not going to stop the train because somebody's foolishness. Does

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01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: he get piste off a lot? I know he does

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01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: with the media, but like behind is he pretty even keel.

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Speaker 1: I think he's very I don't think he really gets

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01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: mad too too too mad at the media. I think

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: he's just really directing on his mission and he's talking

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01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: to the media. But now he doesn't get mad often. No,

1271
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: like he ain't gonna light up a guy in front

1272
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: of the whole team or that's not something like his no, no,

1273
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: no reason to light up the whole team in front

1274
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: of uh player, front of the whole team, because you

1275
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: just probably won't start the next week. I mean, coach

1276
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: Thomas really cut throat when it comes to or I'm

1277
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: really transparent when it comes to just letting guys know

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01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: where they are. He will put a picture of two

1279
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: guys up and be like, hey, one guy is going

1280
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: to be playing, one guy is gonna be inactive. You

1281
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: have all week to figure out who's going to be,

1282
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: And he let the whole team though, like, hey, this

1283
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: is the competition. I mean, clearly you like you like Pitts,

1284
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: like you thrived there as a role player. Oh yeah,

1285
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: I loved all my spots, but of course Pittsburgh was definitely,

1286
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: uh an experience that I wouldn't trade for for anything. Yeah,

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01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: well you ate anything? Cool? Hey, man, I'm just working

1288
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: on just being creative and just um and telling stories. Man.

1289
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 1: I'm into film and stuff, So that's kind of where

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01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm at right now. Yeah, nothing like retiring in your

1291
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: early thirty Still got the rest of your life. You've

1292
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: already got some money, you know. Actually actually took some

1293
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: advice from you when we met at the Combine last year.

1294
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: I told you, Hey, I'm here in networking trying to

1295
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: get into scouting and all this stuff, and you told

1296
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: me why yeah, and that I actually went home and

1297
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: thought about that, and I had a whole pandemic to

1298
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: think about that, and I just want to say thank you, because, UM,

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01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that's something that was made for me,

1300
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: even though I love football, love talking about the love

1301
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: watching guys to this day. UM, that little piece of

1302
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: advice from you was kind of like, Okay, let me

1303
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: do something. I'm really passionate. And I also think you

1304
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: can always play a role getting involved through your agent

1305
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: with guys, young guys, mentoring guys. You can do the

1306
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: best of both worlds, right, I mean I can. I

1307
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: can do that, but man, that that scouting and coaching.

1308
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: That's a grind, big tom grind. Unless Tomlin calls you

1309
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: and wants you to go on a stage, I I

1310
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: do that right right. But you know, for me, Um, now,

1311
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: just living life, staying blessed man and um family, That's

1312
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: all I've been focusing on. That's awesome. Man, Thanks Bro.

1313
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much I appreciate this. I

1314
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: know you You're not out there much, so I'm lucky

1315
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: to get an interview with d HB. I appreciate it, man,

1316
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for having me. I hope you guys

1317
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: enjoyed the interview. I thought that was pretty cool, unique

1318
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: perspective of a guy top pick to a role player

1319
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: two winning, he's seen losing. I mean, he's seen it all.

1320
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've played on the Al Davis Raiders

1321
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: and then on the Antonio Brown Levian Bell Steelers, you

1322
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: got some stories. And we actually talked for a little

1323
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: while after after the party. Gave me some good stories.

1324
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: So we'll have to do it again in person or something.

1325
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: But hopefully you enjoyed it. For the Middlecoff mail bag,

1326
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: I think I'm it's gonna be YouTube only. I'm gonna

1327
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: load it on my YouTube page, John Middlecoffe. You can

1328
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: go check it out there. So it'll be on the

1329
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: YouTube page. And uh and yeah, I'll talk to you guys,

1330
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: see guys next next Tuesday. Draft week. Baby, let's lock in,

1331
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: let's stay focused. It's here, thank you Lord, because I

1332
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: can't do much more draft talk anymore. Like I'm ready

1333
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: for the draft. I used to be this way in

1334
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: the league. I know a lot of gms and coaches

1335
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: and my friends, my scout friends. It's like after a while,

1336
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, let's just have the draft. And we're here,

1337
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean basically a week away. But if you're listening

1338
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: to this on Friday or Saturday, we're even closer, so

1339
01:06:44,760 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: have a great weekend. Godspeed to someday and sa