1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: wilksplore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of the 13 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: classic cases, and bring you the latest information from the 14 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: newest cases as we talked with the top experts. Welcome 15 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 3: to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we have 16 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: the great honor of speaking with mister Danny Sheehan. Danny's 17 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: a Harvard Law School and Harvard Divinity School trained constitutional 18 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: litigation and appellate attorney. For over five decades, his work 19 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 3: as a federal civil rights attorney author, public speaker, and 20 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: college law school professor has helped expose the structural sources 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 3: of injustice in this country. In twenty twenty three, Danny 22 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: founded the New Paradigm Institute as an initiative of the 23 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: Romero Institute in order to inform the public of the 24 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: facts surrounding the UAP phenomenon and also to mobilize people 25 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: to take action. If you've listened to the show before, 26 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: you know how I feel about Danny and how I 27 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: think he's the most important person advocating for this issue. 28 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: And we really appreciate all his hard work, and we 29 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: also appreciate him taking the time to talk to us 30 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: here today. So let's get right to it. Hey, Danny, 31 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: how you doing, sir? 32 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 4: Terrific? Yeah, super busy? I wait too good. Of course 33 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 4: you're busy, looking forward to contacting the discert. You're going 34 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 4: to be busy this year. I think you go first 35 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 4: and you might even go last. You're busy the whole time. 36 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, that's right, that's right. We're booked up. We 37 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 5: want to take advantage of every minute we're all together 38 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 5: there exactly. 39 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: Let's jump into where we are today with this in government. 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: In twenty three we had that Schumer Rounds bill that 41 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: almost went through and then got gutted in late twenty three. 42 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: Where does that sit today? Are we still working on 43 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: that same bill or is there something new? 44 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 5: No, no, it's the same one. That It's an important 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 5: decision has been made now that Schumer and Rounds, with 46 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: Schumer now no longer the majority leader, but they're still 47 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 5: joined at the hip on getting this bill reintroduced. The 48 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 5: Senate is in agreement, but both political parties are in 49 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 5: agreement to resubmit it in exactly the same form, all 50 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: sixty four pages, including the provision on eminent domain. They're 51 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 5: doubling down on that at the Senate side, saying that's 52 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 5: absolutely essential. They've now succeeded over on the House side 53 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 5: that became the bottleneck for this that we only got 54 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 5: twenty three of the sixty four pages past. But now 55 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 5: the Turner, Michael Turner, who was the main roadblock over 56 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 5: there on the House side, who was the chairman of 57 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 5: the Senate or the House Intelligence Committee, has been replaced. 58 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 5: You know, he hasn't left office, but he was replaced 59 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 5: from that position. And that now Dan Crenshaw from Texas, 60 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 5: is there a much more amenable person to what we're 61 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 5: talking about, we believe, and so that we're we're looking 62 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 5: to get a substantial portion of the remainder of the 63 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 5: bill in there's another forty pages. Basically, the major aspect 64 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 5: of it is the establishment of this nine person review board. 65 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 5: We've gotten a portion in already passed by the House, 66 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 5: commanding the military services and the intelligence agencies, and the 67 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 5: Defense Department agencies and the aerospace corporations to all gather 68 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 5: together every single bit of information they have about the 69 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 5: UFO issue dating back to January first in nineteen forty five. 70 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 5: That command has been issued now even by the House, 71 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 5: So we got that portion done. But the next major 72 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 5: piece is getting the nine person review board on board 73 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 5: so that they can review all of that information and 74 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 5: make it available. Ideally, everything older than twenty five years 75 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 5: to be completely declassified and made public immediately, and then 76 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 5: the board would be reviewing all of the additional information 77 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 5: and very importantly putting together a UAP or UFO controlled 78 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 5: disclosure campaign plan. That's a vital part of the role 79 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 5: of that board, and that's rolling out the information to 80 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 5: the public and in a choreographed way so that it 81 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 5: can be effectively absorbed, so people aren't totally overwhelmed all 82 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 5: in one sitting, you know, But to roll this out 83 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 5: and at the same time be taking the steps necessary 84 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 5: to adjust the major institutions, both of our government and 85 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 5: on a planetary basis, to be able to absorb and 86 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 5: constructively amend our institutions to utilize the information that will 87 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 5: be flowing in that follows the revelation of the existence 88 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 5: of this extraterrestrial civilization and the fact that the people 89 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 5: from the civilization are coming and going from our planet. 90 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 5: That's the sort of disclosure nut. But the question of 91 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 5: what we do about it and how we adjust to it, 92 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 5: and what the new information is that they can convey 93 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 5: to us, and how we can absorb that and adjust 94 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 5: our policies and programs on our planet to become citizens 95 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 5: of a galactic civilization instead of being confined just as 96 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 5: a planetary species. So all of this is a huge 97 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 5: thing that's going on. But that panel, that nine person 98 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 5: panel that will ultimately be appointed by the President, but 99 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 5: nominations to that will be made by ourselves. The New 100 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 5: Paradigm Institute is one of the groups that's been asked 101 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 5: to nominate people to that board, so that we want 102 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 5: to get that part passed by the House. We know 103 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 5: that the whole bill, the whole sixty four page bill, 104 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 5: is going to be repassed by the Senate probably mid July. 105 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 5: Then it's going to go over to the House. We 106 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 5: have the twenty three repage bill that was passed already 107 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 5: by both houses has commanded the agencies that we listed 108 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 5: to gather all the information together that has to be 109 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 5: made available by the end of September here of this year. 110 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 5: That's from the previous statute that's already been passed, so 111 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 5: that we're anticipating a major download of some of that 112 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 5: information into the National Archives, and then this board has 113 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 5: to be in place to really make use of it, 114 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 5: because it's one thing to get them all to deposit 115 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 5: it in the National Archives in the classified section of 116 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 5: the Archives, but to get the Congress to be able 117 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 5: to absorb it and to understand what it's all saying. 118 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 5: We need to have this panel that can help organize 119 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 5: it and structure it and get it articulated to the 120 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 5: committees in Congress so that they can start developing pieces 121 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 5: of legislation to respond to this. So all of that's 122 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 5: going on right now intense and even though you know, 123 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 5: the other big deal that's happened since the last gathering 124 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 5: that we have contact in the desert is the creation 125 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 5: of this task force that's been done in the House 126 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 5: of Representatives, the House Oversight Committee that has been holding 127 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 5: these public hearings about the UFO issue has established a 128 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 5: task force. As eleven members of Congress that are on 129 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 5: this task force, and they are they are in the 130 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 5: process of getting set to hold a set of hearings 131 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 5: in the week of May twelfth. That task force has 132 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 5: now announced that we're going to be holding a public hearing. 133 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: We're in dialogue with staff now about who the witnesses are. 134 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 5: This should be the first witnesses called. What kind of 135 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 5: questions need to be presented to them, what type of 136 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 5: evidence that they need to demand from the leads. The 137 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 5: nuclear witnesses, Well, it's clear yet that the nuclear witnesses 138 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 5: are one of the prospects here that we have the 139 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 5: shutting down of the missiles, et cetera. You know, Bob 140 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 5: Solace and the others, those are candidates. And we're also 141 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 5: pressing in on getting people from the aerospace industry to 142 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 5: get them in there, to get them to come in 143 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 5: to admit publicly what they have. You know that they 144 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 5: what they possess and what positions they are going to 145 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 5: take on making it available to the government. But they're 146 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 5: likely to resist the voluntary appearance. So it's going to 147 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 5: present the issue of getting Comber, who is the chairman 148 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 5: of the House Oversight Committee, has agreed to issue subpoenas 149 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 5: when necessary. That that probably isn't going to get resolved 150 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 5: here in this first public hearing. But we're going to 151 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 5: try to get the task Force to invite the representatives 152 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 5: of the aerospace industry to come forward to talk about 153 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 5: volunteer what it is they have, But that's we're not 154 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 5: optimistic that they're going to yield to that without a subpoena. 155 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 5: But I mean, to have this going on is remarkable. 156 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 5: I mean, to have this particular issue being a focus 157 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 5: of the Congress and having them being considering using subpoena 158 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 5: power to bring them in this is a This is 159 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 5: a major step forward in what we're doing. 160 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: We got to take a break right here, brother, We'll 161 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: be right back. We're going to come back on the 162 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: other side with mister Shehan and get his thoughts on 163 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 3: how imminent disclosure could be and I want to get 164 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: his thoughts about deeper into this bill a little bit. 165 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: We'll be right back on Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio 166 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are 167 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: back on Beyond Contact. We're talking to Dan. Hey, Dany, 168 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: you were talking about this bill, and I've had this 169 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: question for a long time. I've been meaning to ask you. 170 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 3: So there's this idea that people like the doctor Greer 171 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: champion that there's probably this small core of people that 172 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: know this knowledge. This is not like within the government. 173 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: This is an unacknowledged black budget program. So either in 174 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,479 Speaker 3: that group or as you just mentioned, some of these companies, 175 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: these private companies that have this information, even if you 176 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: guys get this bill passed, isn't that black budget program? 177 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: And these companies both outside of the military and the government, 178 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: and therefore they're not going to give you anything because 179 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 3: they're not subject to the rules of the government. 180 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting. The question that needs to get asked 181 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 5: is what the exact nature of any contracts out I mean, 182 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 5: a government contractor is in fact subject to rules and 183 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 5: regulations that are promulgated by the government, you know, as 184 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 5: a condition for entering into a contract, for example, to 185 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 5: provide any of these UFO materials that have been recovered 186 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 5: by by a government program, to put those into the 187 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 5: hands of a private aerospace corporation to have them analyze it, 188 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 5: evaluate it, try to determine to what degree back engineering 189 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 5: can be successful of this material. Those those are government 190 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 5: contracts and they are obligated to report to Congress what 191 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 5: they're doing, resume of those contracts, and actually even constitutional 192 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 5: principles apply to them. For example, you know, equal employment opportunity, 193 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 5: you know racial protections, you know gender discriminations. All of 194 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 5: those things that are part of the constitutional framework via 195 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 5: is to be the government apply to government contractors. Now 196 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 5: the private aerospace corporations like to pretend that they don't, 197 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 5: but they're getting all the benefits of being a unique 198 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 5: contractor to the government and being put into possession of 199 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 5: these materials, you know, so that they're going to have 200 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 5: to be held accountable. And the important thing is to 201 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 5: get KIRIS to basically stand up and compel them to 202 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 5: tell them and answer them what they're doing. That's one 203 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 5: of the issues we're dealing with and talking with the 204 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 5: task force to see how aggressive they're going to be 205 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 5: in making the private aerospace corporations comply with these reporting requirements. 206 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 5: So that's a big one that's going on. Now. What's 207 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 5: happening is we're getting more and more support, however, from 208 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 5: more and more members of the Senate and more and 209 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 5: more members of the House, because it's actually dawning on them. 210 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 5: This is true. You know that for example, when we 211 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 5: would go to meet with certain members of the House 212 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 5: and we say, well, you know, there's the Senate bill 213 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 5: that got passed, here's the sixty four page bill, and 214 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 5: we lay a copy of the sixty four page bill 215 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 5: that got passed back in twenty twenty three, and these 216 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 5: people are totally stunned that they don't even know that 217 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 5: the bill was passed, and they see all the references 218 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 5: to non human intelligence and the actual term flying saucers, 219 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 5: you know, in UFOs in the bill, in the findings 220 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 5: of the Senate that the the the government agencies are 221 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 5: in possession of this information and are required to him. 222 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 5: I mean, they're completely shocked. And so that we've got 223 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 5: an educating job still to do to educate the members 224 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 5: over on the House side and even some additional members 225 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 5: of the Senate. But we have we have advantages. Like 226 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 5: I was walking down the hall from a meeting with 227 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 5: one of the senators. Somebody came rushing out of a 228 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 5: completely other senator's office and saying, oh, look that's that's 229 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 5: a Dan. She and the attorney and who was involved in, 230 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 5: you know, with doctor Greer, And they come rushing out 231 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 5: and saying, look at we want to get briefed in 232 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 5: on this. Can you come and meet with us? You know. 233 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 5: So there's there's a spontaneity that's now growing inside the 234 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 5: House and Senate of people wanting to be briefed in 235 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 5: about this. And that's that's what we've been trying to achieve. 236 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 5: We're trying to get people being forward leaning and trying 237 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 5: to get this information rather than having to kind of 238 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 5: beat their door down. 239 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 3: Well, that's really exciting. It feels like you are making 240 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: some progress here, because I mean, for like thirteen years 241 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: since I met Steve Bassett, I've been hearing disclosures around 242 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 3: the corner, disclosures around the corner. Other people have been 243 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: seeing that, but I haven't really really heard that. I've 244 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: never believed it myself until just recently. I mean, in 245 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, have I heard people like George Knapp, 246 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 3: and I believe yourself, doctor Greer and a few others 247 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: are talking about this really is something that's going to 248 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: be in the next year or two. We may actually 249 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: have some official government disclosure. Is that what you think? 250 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 5: Yes, Oh, yes, I think we're going to be getting. 251 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 5: We're going to be getting some kind of a response 252 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 5: at the end of September. As to say, the dates 253 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 5: had been originally set at October twentieth of twenty twenty four, 254 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 5: they were supposed to turn all this information over to 255 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 5: the National Archives. They ask for an extension of time, 256 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 5: and the National Archives gave them basically an additional year. 257 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 5: But if we think in terms of basically around the 258 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 5: first of October, this is supposed to be turned over 259 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 5: to the National Archives, and they're supposed to have gathered 260 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 5: this all together. So the bottom line is there's a 261 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 5: high level of expectancy that something additional is going to 262 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 5: happen here. But they're going to be putting in place 263 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 5: through the passage of the legislation that the Senate's going 264 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 5: to repass, the sixty four page bill. The House is 265 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 5: going to be requested to take it up and to 266 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 5: decide how much of the additional forty pages that haven't 267 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 5: been passed yet is going to get passed, if not 268 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 5: all of it. And as I say, we're hoping that 269 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 5: the provision creating this special review board of all the 270 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 5: information is going to get passed. We're optimistic that we're 271 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 5: going to be able to get at least that piece done, 272 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 5: and so therefore information is going to to flow into 273 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 5: the National Archives at least. And that means that the 274 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 5: members of Congress, the House and Senate, who have the 275 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 5: adequate clearances are going to be able to go and 276 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 5: review this. Now, our job is to get them to 277 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 5: be interested enough to actually assign staff to go do it. 278 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 5: We're trying to figure out how the new Paradigm Institute, 279 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 5: which is the Citizens Group, you know, how we can 280 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 5: help them. That's one of the things you really discover 281 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 5: when you're really dealing with the people in Congress is 282 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 5: that they're so overwhelmed with so many things that they 283 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 5: have to do. It's really very very helpful to have 284 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 5: a private citizen group that can gather the information together 285 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 5: and can condense it and put it into structured form 286 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 5: so that they can absorb it. You know, how do 287 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 5: you get twenty thousand pages of documents that have been released. 288 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 5: How do you get it condensed into a ten page 289 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 5: report with bullet points with references to an appendix as 290 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 5: to where they can find. That's the kind of thing 291 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 5: that we're doing at the New Paradigm Institute, in addition 292 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 5: to very importantly organizing the people in all four hundred 293 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 5: and thirty five congressional districts to actually gather together and 294 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 5: get information from us so that we can educate them 295 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 5: about things that they may have heard about in the 296 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 5: distance about UFOs, but they've heard about Roswell, it'd heard 297 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 5: about a few other major incidents. But there's a lot 298 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 5: of information that we need to get to them so 299 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 5: they can effectively reach out to their congress people and 300 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 5: to their senators to get those people elected representatives to 301 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 5: pay more attention to this issue. So that we're doing 302 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 5: the grassers organizing the public education. We've got a major 303 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 5: computer system set up now every action where we can 304 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 5: craft for each of the four hundred and thirty five 305 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 5: congressional districts the particular information. Here's who your congress person is, 306 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 5: Here's the committees that he or she sits on, you know, 307 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 5: here's their past history with this issue. You know, uh 308 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 5: and uh and uh. And here are your local newspapers, 309 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 5: here's the person you want to call to get a 310 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 5: letter to the editor in. Here's your local cable television station, 311 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 5: so you want to go on to the television. Here's 312 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 5: a script that's got information about it. So there's a 313 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 5: whole training process that's going on. This is what disclosure 314 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 5: has always had to be. This is what it has 315 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 5: to look like, you know. So we're dealing with the 316 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 5: concrete practical tasks that are involved, but extremely importantly, once 317 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 5: once you get the disclosure, you know, what are the 318 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 5: steps that we need to get government to take to 319 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 5: really absorb this information and to practically translated into amendments 320 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 5: of our various institutions. We are going to be the 321 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 5: geopolitical impacts on our international treaties. How are we going 322 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 5: to get the nation states here on our planet to 323 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 5: work together in a cooperative way, not to be at 324 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 5: at in any kind of conflict with each other. As 325 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 5: to how we're going to engage with the extraterrestrial beings. 326 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 5: You know that, And you know this is until until 327 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 5: people become absolutely viscerally convinced that it's true, they aren't 328 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: going to want to pay attention to well, what do 329 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 5: we do about it? You know, they're waiting to be 330 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 5: completely convinced that it's true. So we're still sort of 331 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 5: at that stage of trying to get all the members 332 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 5: of Congress convinced so that they can get the rest 333 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 5: of the population convinced and so that we can cross 334 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 5: that line into dealing with what it is we're going 335 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 5: to do about it. 336 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're going to take another break right there. When 337 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 3: we come back, We're going to talk more with Dannie 338 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 3: about this and find out maybe what roof we have 339 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: that this is real and how we can convince these folks. 340 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. You're listening to Beyond Contact on 341 00:20:46,760 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 342 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronald. We're 343 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: speaking with Danny Shen. Danny, we're talking about these Congress people. 344 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: Just like much of America doesn't really know about this issue. 345 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: They're not really up to speed on the issue like 346 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: those of us in the community are. How do we 347 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: get them to learn this, Like what is the strongest 348 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: piece of evidence? Where would I send people who are 349 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: outside this community that will open their eyes that this 350 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: is a reality. What's the best place to tell them 351 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: that this is real? 352 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 5: Well, as it turns out that given the fact that 353 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 5: the members of Congress, in the House and in the 354 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 5: Senate realize that we're really, really a national security state, 355 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 5: that the United States government has been a national security 356 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 5: state basically since nineteen forty seven at the end of 357 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 5: World War Two, for the passage of the National Security Act, 358 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 5: the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency and the Defense 359 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 5: Intelligence Agency, et cetera. That were the whole period of 360 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 5: the Cold War that ran from basically nineteen forty five 361 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 5: to nineteen ninety two. You know, that everything was prison 362 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 5: through this conflict between the West and the East, between 363 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 5: the United States basically in the Soviet Union, you know, 364 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 5: and the debate was all over this issue of capitalism 365 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 5: and socialism, democratic rights as opposed to authoritarian governments. And 366 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 5: that used to be that used to be the criteria 367 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 5: that determined what it is they paid attention to. In 368 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 5: order to get their attention, it had to be had 369 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 5: to fall into that area. And so what we've discovered 370 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 5: is that there's still suffering from that mindset. 371 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: You know. 372 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: But the bottom line is the people that the senators 373 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 5: and the congress people were the most interested in hearing 374 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 5: from were the national security people, you know. And when 375 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 5: you get a person who's the head of the Pentagon 376 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 5: study of this investigation telling them right to their face 377 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 5: that this is true, and you get David Grush saying 378 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 5: the same thing, who is from the National Reconnaissance Office 379 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 5: and also from the National Geospatial Intelligence Center. I mean, 380 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 5: these are hardcore military intelligence organizations coming right out of 381 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 5: the Cold War, telling the Senators and congress people right 382 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 5: to their face under oath, that this is true. That's 383 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 5: what we're finding is the most effective thing right now. 384 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: And of course what the some of the senators and 385 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 5: Congress when they're saying, is well, show me, you know, 386 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 5: can you show me pictures? Christopher Mellen, the former Deputy 387 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 5: Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence both for the Republican 388 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 5: and Democratic administrations, has joined in and said, yes, this 389 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 5: is true. I'm telling you that this is true. Well, 390 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 5: and here are some pictures. Here are gun camera footage 391 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 5: videos taken of these UFOs. Right. And so now we've 392 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 5: gotten the Senate, at least the Senate Intelligence Committee and 393 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 5: the Senate Armed Services Committee, and miraculously the leadership of 394 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 5: both political parties agreeing that they are demanding that this 395 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 5: information be provided at least to the Congress out of 396 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 5: the executive branch agencies where they are okay. And so 397 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 5: that's what we're finding is the most effective means right now, 398 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 5: the actual video footage, the direct testimony under oath of 399 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 5: people who are have high level national security clearances. But 400 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 5: we're still at a spot where, for example, the people 401 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 5: who are in the know are not willing to tell Congress, 402 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 5: and that raises a profound constitutional question. You know, how 403 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 5: can in the executive brand we're saying that they're in 404 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 5: possession of information about the existence of an extraterrestrial civilization 405 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 5: and members of it coming and going from our planet, uh, 406 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 5: you know, and and not be willing to tell Congress 407 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 5: about it. You know that that's a major constitutional challenge. 408 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 5: And so some profound underlying constitutional questions are raised here, 409 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 5: which we hear that happening in more general terms for 410 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 5: the whole Trump administration. There's an awful lot of major 411 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 5: constitutional questions going on now about the comparative authority between 412 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 5: the executive branch and Congress over certain decisions. For example, 413 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 5: whether whether they can fire you know, a third of 414 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 5: the entire workforce in the federal government without congressional authorization. 415 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 5: You know, there's a profound questions going out. But these 416 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 5: are these are occurring even inside the issue of the 417 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 5: UFO issue. You know, of what the comparative authority is 418 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 5: a Congress to have oversight authority over this. So those 419 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 5: issues are going on now. Fortunately, those of us who 420 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 5: are constitutional attorneys are aware of those issues and that 421 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 5: we can lend some insight into how to resolve these 422 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 5: conflicts between the executive branch in the Congress, and so 423 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 5: that we're playing a role at the New Paradigm Institute 424 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 5: in facilitating people from deep within the national security state 425 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 5: infrastructures coming forward to be willing to provide the information 426 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 5: to the House and Senate members. But they need to 427 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 5: be protected. They need to be protected against retaliation from 428 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 5: that tiny group of people that are inside the national 429 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 5: intelligence community and the defense community, who will retaliate against them, 430 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 5: who will deprive them of any kind of promotions in 431 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 5: the future. That so the New Paradigm Institute is also 432 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 5: drafted a new fifteen page UFO Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Statue 433 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 5: to give them special protections above and beyond other members 434 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 5: of the federal executive branch to come forward and be 435 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 5: completely protected against retaliation. Okay, And so that we've we've 436 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 5: profered that at the request of the House of Representatives, 437 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 5: we were asked by members of the House to draft 438 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 5: the bill. We've given it to them so they know 439 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 5: what a gold standard protection system looks like. So that's 440 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 5: another issue. We're trying to get the House and Senate 441 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 5: to pass that into law so that this will open 442 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 5: the channel so that the people can come forward and 443 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 5: talk about this. But all of this is going on 444 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 5: right now. As I say that, you know, this is 445 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 5: the kind of sausage making as they say, you know, 446 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 5: looking at how sausages are made, you know, and it's 447 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 5: not it's not romantic, and it's it's not, you know, thrilling. 448 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 5: But it's important to keep track of so that you 449 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 5: can get a product that comes out that is that 450 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 5: is highly appetizing, so that the average people are willing 451 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 5: to consume it. And that's what we're doing right now. 452 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 5: But you also have to step back from this this 453 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 5: sausage making process of the details of the statute and 454 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 5: where we're at with the witnesses and who gets what 455 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 5: immunity is to testify and say, well, again, you know, 456 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 5: what in the world is going on here? What we've 457 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 5: done is we've reached the point after an eighty year period. 458 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 5: You know, it's basically almost almost an entire lifetime of 459 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 5: a human being. You know, we've still got twenty years 460 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 5: more before we have a full hundred year lifespan of 461 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 5: a US. But the fact is we're in the fourth 462 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 5: quarter of this. You know, we're in the fourth quarter 463 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 5: of the game now, and you know, all the players 464 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 5: know how each other is playing, and what the offensive 465 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 5: and defensive capabilities are of the players. But we're in 466 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 5: the fourth quarter right now. In all great contests are determined, 467 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 5: the outcome is determined by the fourth quarter, and that's 468 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 5: where we are right now. We're in the fourth quarter. 469 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 5: We're not down into the two minute drill yet on this, 470 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 5: but we're definitely in the midway through the fourth quarter. 471 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 5: One final word I'll say on this, and that is is. 472 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 6: That there is the process that has to be undertaken 473 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 6: of preparing our people to absorb some of these absolutely 474 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 6: extraordinary advances in knowledge and information, many of which may 475 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 6: go to some of these profound, fundamental questions. 476 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 5: There needs to be steps taken to prepare our people 477 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 5: to absorb these things and absorb it, and those aren't 478 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 5: being taken yet because everybody's still fixated on trying to 479 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 5: overcome the denial that this is even true, and so 480 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 5: they won't spend time figuring out, Okay, assuming it's true, 481 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 5: what are we going to do about it? None, nobody's 482 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 5: doing that. 483 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 3: We need to take a break right there. When we 484 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: come back, we're going to talk more with Danny Shehan. 485 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 486 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 3: to Coast AM Aeronormal podcast network. We're back on Beyond 487 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 3: Contact having a wonderful conversation getting the inside scoop from 488 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 3: Danny Shehan. Danny, why is it that this legacy program 489 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 3: as they often call it, these guys, why do they 490 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: want to keep this secret? Do you think, I mean, 491 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: there's speculation that you could have to do with our 492 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: nuclear program, It could have to do with many different things. 493 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: Do you think it's possible that maybe it's something way 494 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: weirder that they know about. Let's pretend for one second 495 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 3: it's one of these extreme views that maybe these aliens 496 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: are our souls coming back and wearing a gray alien 497 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: something really extreme belief. If it's something like that, that 498 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: might not be palatable to people. They might be able 499 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 3: to accept nuts and bolts craft driving across the universe 500 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: and coming here, that's palatable. What if it's one of 501 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: these weirder things, inter dimensional beings or something like that. 502 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: Maybe people aren't ready for it, and that's why they 503 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: want to keep it secret. 504 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, usually usually things are more 505 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: mundane than that. You know, what we have here is 506 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 5: we have a private aerospace corporations, you know, Lockey Martin, 507 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 5: you know in Grumming. You know that they want to 508 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 5: have patents on this technology. You know that they've been 509 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 5: put into possession of some of the materials have been 510 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 5: recovered from crash sites and other sites that where UFOs 511 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 5: have been basically invited in and captured actually what has 512 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 5: been going on, and then they've been given access to 513 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 5: the craft to back engineer them and try to develop 514 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 5: you know, spin off industries from this technology. This this 515 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 5: represents hundreds of billions of dollars of potential profit. If 516 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 5: they can get patents on this technology, that they will 517 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 5: basically license access to this technology back to our country 518 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 5: and make billions of dollars in licensing fees. You know. So, 519 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 5: I mean there's this basic greed and avarice motivation at 520 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 5: the base of this which is intrinsic to capitalists corporations. 521 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 5: You know, we all know that that they're the bottom 522 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 5: line is all they're interested in. You know, they're not 523 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 5: into some sort of more illeomcenary, public spirited motive. 524 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: You know, it feels bigger than that. This is bigger 525 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 3: than typical things, isn't it. 526 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, there's no doubt about that. But the 527 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 5: problem is that corporations are constructed in such a way 528 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 5: that they blocked themselves off from those higher considerations. In fact, 529 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 5: you can be dismissed from the board of directors of 530 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 5: a corporation for trying to take into account the public 531 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 5: interest as distinct from your short term profits that are 532 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 5: going to be shared by the shareholders. You know, it's 533 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 5: a terrible it's a terrible business mechanism that we have 534 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 5: operational in the country. And so that's that is a 535 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 5: major part of the pushback that we're getting. The choreographing 536 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 5: of the resistance to the passage of the sixty four 537 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 5: page bill was coming out of the private aerospace corporations, 538 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 5: and they were leaning in on, for example, Mike Turner, 539 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 5: you know, the head of the Intelligence Committee of you know, 540 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 5: just blocking the passage of this, and they're basically saying, 541 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 5: you know, we're going to withdraw paying for your campaign, 542 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 5: you know, if you don't do what we tell you 543 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 5: to do. I mean, it's really crass. But that's one 544 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 5: part of it, Okay. Then there's this other part of it, 545 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 5: and that that's just so you know that that's one 546 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 5: of them, is very real and it's operational. The second 547 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 5: one is that there are people that have been involved 548 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 5: in the Legacy program who have been engaged in what 549 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 5: is patently criminal conduct, you know, I mean, they've been 550 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 5: engaged in perjury to the Congress, denying that there is 551 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 5: any such thing as you know, they didn't even acknowledge 552 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 5: that UFOs were real until the last few years. You know, 553 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 5: they were denying that they were even real. It was 554 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 5: all swamp gas and mistaken flocks of birds, you know. 555 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 5: I mean, they had this entire criminal campaign going on 556 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 5: of perjuring themselves to Congress and so that they're afraid 557 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 5: that you know, if they now come clean and start 558 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 5: admitting all the stuff that the truth of what this 559 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 5: is that Congress is going to demand to know why 560 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 5: they were lying to them, you know, and that the 561 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 5: answer to that is because they've been engaged in other 562 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 5: criminal conduct. They've been in bezling money, for example, from 563 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 5: other programs, secretly funneling it into this so they could 564 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 5: keep it secret that they were in possession of these 565 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 5: UFOs and that they back engineering them, and that they 566 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 5: were trying to you know, give patents, unique patents to 567 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 5: the companies who would then employ them when they retired, 568 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 5: you know, from being general officers. There are people inside 569 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 5: the intelligence community that get hired for five hundred thousand 570 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 5: dollars a year as consultants to these major aerospace corporates. 571 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 5: Those are all the dog bites man, you know, kind 572 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 5: of stories that go on. So the second, the second element, 573 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 5: you know, over and above the corporations themselves trying to 574 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 5: make money on it and keep it secret, is that 575 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 5: people inside the government that we're working with them and 576 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 5: committing crimes to keep it concealed, are afraid of getting prosecuted, 577 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 5: and so they're demanding as a part and parcel of 578 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 5: this whole disclosure process, that there also be an immunity 579 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 5: program set up for them all the way onto a 580 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 5: peace and reconciliation type of commission like happened in South 581 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 5: Africa when apartheid was deconstructed. So that's going on, and 582 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 5: so they have been a third and they and they 583 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 5: consider a revelation of the reality of this whole whole 584 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 5: program that's going on to threaten what they call catastrophic disclosure. 585 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 5: And it's not a matter of the substance of what 586 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 5: the UFOs are all about. It's a matter of the 587 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 5: crimes that they've committed in the past, a very mundane 588 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 5: problem that they've got. But then there's a third category, 589 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 5: which is the one you raised, Well, could there be 590 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 5: something about the UFO phenomenon that they think that you 591 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 5: can't tell people about it because you know, they'll all 592 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 5: freak out or jump out of a first story window 593 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 5: or something. You know, if they hear about it. You 594 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 5: have to be careful when people who are asserting that 595 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 5: are keeping secrets which they're afraid are going to result 596 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 5: in their prosecution. You know, you have to question the 597 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 5: credibility of the kind of make weight arguments that they 598 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 5: come up with, you know, and you start they what 599 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 5: they want you to do is be creative as possible 600 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 5: and trying to think of some extraordinarily outlandish thing that 601 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 5: would be so frightening to everybody that you know that 602 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 5: you'll go along with them, continuing to keep a secret. 603 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 5: You know that that isn't likely here. Now that's not 604 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 5: to say that there are some very extremely interesting and 605 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 5: disquieting facts that have to do with the revelation here. 606 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 5: But on the other hand, if you understand that our 607 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 5: whole universe is thirteen point seven billion years old, our 608 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 5: stun our star is only four point five billion years old, 609 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 5: our planet's only three point seven billion years old. So 610 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 5: there are other galaxies in planets and star systems that 611 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 5: are six or seven billion years older than we are. 612 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 5: And so they could they could have a civilization that 613 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 5: is six or seven billion years in advance of us, 614 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 5: not only technologically, but philosophically, you know, spiritually, theologically, you know, 615 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 5: and very very importantly, very importantly, you know, they may 616 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 5: have been able to probe into some of the most 617 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 5: profound scientific secrets that we still haven't been able to 618 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 5: figure out. We still don't know exactly how the universe began. 619 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 5: We don't know exactly what the end product of the 620 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 5: universe is going to be. Is it unfolding to the 621 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 5: point where all matter in the universe will ultimately disintegrate 622 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 5: into its constituent parts, you know, pursue it to the 623 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 5: rate of atomic breakdown of every element, you know, and 624 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 5: the whole universe is going to disappear ultimately, you know. 625 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 5: And what about the relationship of consciousness. Did consciousness precede 626 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 5: the material manifestation of our universe? Or is human consciousness 627 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 5: an epiphenomenon of the interaction between mass and energy in 628 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 5: some way? You know that these are profound, the fundamental 629 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 5: questions that afflict us as a human species. And what if, 630 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 5: in fact, they've all figured out the answer to those things, 631 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 5: and they come to us and they say, here's the 632 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 5: definitive answers to how the universe began, here's the definitive 633 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 5: answers to how it's functioning, and whether it'll oscillate back 634 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 5: and forth and do us from a state of absolute 635 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 5: energy to absolute mass and it will go on perpetually 636 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 5: going to dissolve into nothingness? 637 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 3: You know? 638 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 5: And if they come in with definitive answer to these profound, 639 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 5: fundamental questions. The question is then, what happens about our 640 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 5: free will? Do we get to disagree with that? Do 641 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 5: we get to say, oh, you know, we're still we 642 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 5: still haven't quite figured all these things out, you know, 643 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 5: And we've got a whole spectrum of world views, We've 644 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 5: got an entire octave of human world views that have 645 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 5: all been built up over different suppositions about the answer 646 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 5: to those questions. And so you know, what happens to 647 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 5: our free will? What happens to our right of being wrong? 648 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 5: You know? I mean, are we would we be allowed 649 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 5: to still be operating on some kind of Neanderthal theory 650 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 5: of the in that regard? 651 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 3: Yes, Hey, Danny, thanks for sharing all this with us. 652 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 3: I feel you've revealed how much more complex disclosure is. 653 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 3: It's not as simple as people think it is. Just 654 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 3: say that this is real. It's not like that. It's 655 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 3: way more complex issue. Well, Danny, thank you again. We 656 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 3: will see you at contact in the desert here shortly, 657 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 3: my friend. 658 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 5: Absolutely, we'll all be there, you know, everybody, come, everybody, 659 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 5: come to the come to the contact in the desert. 660 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 5: Everybody else is going to be there. 661 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 3: Yep, that's true. It's a great place. It's a lot 662 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 3: of fun, all right, everybody. Thank you Danny and when 663 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 3: you guys can find me at Twitter and Instagram, at 664 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 3: c t D Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking 665 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 3: out contact inthedesert dot com. 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