WEBVTT - What is the FUTURE of RHOP? 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.640 Hey rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. That's right. 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:10.799 You can buy your Allegedly and my Boys mugs, T shirts, 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:16.000 rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts all on Carlos Kingshop 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:17.200 dot com. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.240 That's right. Get your hoodies, your T shirts, and your. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:28.600 Mugs all on Carlos Kingshop dot com. Welcome to Reality 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.880 with the King. It's me Carlos kings the King of 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.360 Reality TV and one of the most sought after executive 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:40.720 producers in reality television with over ten years of production experience. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.760 Twice a week on Reality with the King, we'll sit 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.559 down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.760 favorite reality shows, and revisit unforgettable moments that we are 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:59.160 still talking and tweeting about. Hey rain Drops, Yes, the 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:06.160 yeomen of everyone's dreams. Y'all been asking about her, wanting 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.920 to hear from her. She is my girl, She is 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.920 y'all fave, and she just so happens to be somebody 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:16.679 who said to me. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.839 I want to say a year ago or closer. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:25.080 To that, that she was checking out a Potomac and 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:29.000 she wanted the show to be centered around Candice Dillark Bassett. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.319 So we have a lot to catch up on. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:36.520 Give it up for my beautiful, gorgeous honey friend, Jasmine 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:37.800 Henley Brown. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:44.440 Hello, Carlos Lake Jones, Raphael Povich Springer. 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:50.000 Walters, Yes, you are the father. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:56.000 Yes, listen, I am the pause father. Yes, Hodey, there's. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.960 Somebody who calls himself the Powfather is going to kick 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.600 your ass. I'm not going to say his name though, 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.040 because I heard he can be litigious. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.280 Well, I don't want no smoke with him. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.360 Oh my god, That's why I'm not saying. I'm not 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.080 saying who it is. I'm not saying who it is. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:10.040 Well, it's funny. 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.519 I posted a selfie once and said the pop father, 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:14.720 and the girl said, that's so Assult's name. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:15.840 I said, I wanted to know that. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:20.280 Okay, fine, Like I'll stay with the kid in reality television. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:21.520 Let me let me. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.240 Not add anyway. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.320 I don't want to add more to my play. But 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:29.120 the rain Drops have been requesting you. A few of 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.960 them tagged you recently. Have you been feeling the love 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.720 that they're like, bring Jasmine back. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.880 I always feel the love. I feel like you have 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.320 one of the best like fan bases. The rain Drops 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.680 are so supportive. They've always been really, really nice. There 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.000 have been a couple of shady comments here and there, 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.440 but the good definitely outweighs the bad. And you know, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.240 I'll pay a bitch dust in a second. So I'm 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.280 always you know, I'm always your love that I never 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:56.840 too ill. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.880 I have missed you so much, so I'm happy, miss Listen. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.120 It's fun because I'm like, I get to talk to 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.359 my girl and have her on the podcast and key 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.640 key and what better job can a brother ask for? 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.800 So let's get the people what they want. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:19.440 And we're all wearing black because we're morning Candace Dealer Bassett. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.200 My kangle isn't prepared, dang. 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.399 It, Oh girl, Sorry Candace. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:30.640 So look, you once said to me that you felt 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:36.000 that the show should be centered around Candace. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:37.400 And the way. 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.360 We all know where we were when OJ Simpson had 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:47.839 the Bronco being chased by the police rip. We all 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.680 know where we were when OJ had the Bronco. We 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.160 know where we were when the verdict of OJ came down. 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:54.960 We know where we were when we. 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.720 Found out Kyle and Marisia were separated. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.720 We know where we were when we were realized we 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:06.200 can never buy a white refrigerator after Nini Leeg said. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.240 Why refrigerator should stew her ass because she's single handedly 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.720 ruined everything, Like if I walk into a place with 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:16.760 a wire refrigerator. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.520 Oh no, honey, what is this? 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.320 So where were you when you learned that Candace Diller 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:24.640 Bassett was leaving the show? 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.000 I think I was lying in my bed. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.599 I was resting because I'm getting a lot of rest 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.400 these days. I wasn't doing much, but I remember being 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.320 so shocked, like she's leaving. But I was happy when 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.600 I read it and saw that she was leaving on 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.479 her own. She made the choice to leave. She was 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.720 not fired, because I was going to have a lot 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.840 of questions if they were letting Candace go. But I'm 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.000 actually happy Candace made the decision to leave, especially with 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.080 the news that followed about the expansion of her family. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.640 So I am sad. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.479 To see her go because I really think if we're 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.120 talking about a future. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.440 Of Potomac in the show, she fits that bill. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.880 But after watching the parts the three parts of the reunion, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.080 Candace does not have a friend on that cast. She 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.080 does not have one friend on that cast, and that's 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:15.840 not an environment that you want to be in when 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.839 you're pregnant and bringing a new life into this world. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.840 So good on you, Candy, Honey. 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:22.640 Let's dive right into it. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.840 So you watch all three parts Reunion only because you 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.839 knew I was going to talk to you. So before 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:33.800 we get into the questionable friends that Candace doesn't have 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.400 in terms of what you think she doesn't have, how 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.560 checked out were you this past season. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:43.080 The Austin episode. I remember making a video. It might 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:44.680 have been the episode. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.920 Prior it went viral, by the way, I don't even. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:48.800 Know what viral means at this point, but yeah, I'll 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.560 take it. I will take it. I will take it. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.680 I made a video about how a comfortable it was 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.599 to watch them just kind of ice Candace out and 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.599 just be not cohesive as a group. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:05:59.960 It was really hard to watch. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.240 I remember watching that, and I remember the Austin trip happens, 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.839 and I'm like, that's a trip that I could call 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.200 my friends up and we could take on a Wednesday. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.799 I watched these shows because of the aspirational lifestyles, because 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.280 of the opulence of wealth, right. I watched this to 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.560 get a peek into people's lifestyles that I'm not familiar with, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.360 and that was something that I could just do on 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.080 a regular day, and so I just felt like when 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.159 you add that to just the way that the cast 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.640 feels like, the vibe, the negativity, you know, a pair 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.200 with the trips that are just very subpar, I was like, Okay, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.080 I don't think this is for me. I think they've 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.600 officially lost the plot. They've officially lost the plot. 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.440 No, I think it's hilarious that you and I both 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:47.200 stopped watching this season during the autin trip, and it's 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.800 indicative of the similarities that the audience feels. It's sort 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.200 of the breaking point that we all had at the 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.760 same time, because you and I are not alone in that. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.520 I think the reason why our percentage of people did 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.000 check out of the show is because, look, we know, 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.120 at the end of the day, these people aren't real friends. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.120 The conceit of now we're real friends we like hangout 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.520 off camera, we know that's not the case, and look, 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.360 I have shows where some of these people do not 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:21.760 hang out off camera, and so that's not even the 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.840 case because we still watch we loved Atlanta Housewives when 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.040 we knew that some of y'all don't really hang out 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:27.440 with each other. 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.520 But what made our favorite shows. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.040 The favorite is because at least they all clocked in 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:39.360 and said, look, while we're a part of this institution 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.040 for three to four months, let's do our best to 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.640 figure things out. And I think for us it was 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.720 sort of like, you guys don't like each other. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.120 You guys do not want to be around each other. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:56.960 The isolation and the ostracization of Candice bothered me and 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.120 I and it bothered me in a way where listen, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:07.680 we all or know someone who felt isolated. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:08.320 When we were in school. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.480 You know, if you had a parent that transferred you 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:16.960 to different schools, that's tough. I was somebody who moved. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:22.080 I went to like three elementary schools, right, And I 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.320 just remember always feeling alone, like people aren't really messed 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:26.720 with me because I'm a new kid on the block. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.960 And I felt that Candace represented that person, that child, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.600 and all of us who had that experience. And I 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.280 just felt it was like, I don't want to watch 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.840 a show where this one woman is being isolated and 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.280 she's around a bunch of women who don't see it 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.520 for her. And when it comes to her friends, I 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.280 always thought Wendy was her friend in real life. Do 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.160 you not think that Wendy is Canvas's real friend. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.640 I don't think so. No, I don't think that's her enemy. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.160 I don't think she's her op or anything like that. 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.920 I just feel like they have a friendship of convenience 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.520 Garcel and Sutton right on Beverly Hills Real Health Tives 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.720 of Beverly Hills. I think Wendy and Candace both don't 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.560 feel super welcome within the group, and so it makes 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:14.120 them being friends feel like the best fit. And yeah, 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.560 that's why I say, like, Candis doesn't have a friend 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.080 on the show, And I think you're right too. Like 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.160 I was watching the reunion and like watching Candace cry 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.720 kind of like she cries a lot, right, And I 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.760 feel like I'm a very sensitive woman myself, so I 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.319 cry often. But I was feeling like, man, I think 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.320 Candace is crying and she's so sensitive with this group 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.400 because it's like she can't do anything really like right 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.400 with them, right, And it's like, yep, I don't see 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.880 her overtly trying to prove herself as you know, good 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.040 enough or to be accepted. I don't think that's how 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.320 Candace is. But I do think Candace does have all 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.680 the components that should be well accepted and she's just not. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.720 And I think that really does bother her. But that's 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.240 also why I say, girl, you're pregnant, you're about to 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:01.760 have your baby. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.160 You don't need to be around a group. 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.560 Of people who are making you feel the way that 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.920 these women seem to make you feel on a day 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:08.680 to day basis. 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:09.679 Just be done with it. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.480 But I do I agree with you. I think Candish 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.480 just feels super ostracized from the group. She doesn't feel accepted, 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.240 and I think she does. You know, we all want 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.000 to be accepted. Like, yes, it's no shame when I 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:21.880 said that, we all want to be accepted, especially when 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.760 you're in a group like this on a reality TV show. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.600 You want to be well received and well liked. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.320 One of my rain drops said to me, and I 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:31.960 would love to get your point of view on this, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.280 because I do think he has a good point. Hi 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:43.760 Janelle on Twitter, I call him mister Gobadi Bryant because 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.560 he is a gazelle stand and a porsious stance. So 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:53.760 Hi Janelle, I love him, he said on Twitter. And 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.000 I was like, this is very interesting and I would 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.000 love to get your point of view. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.600 He said, that with Giselle being the. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.680 Queen Bee of the show, that if we want to 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:08.960 break it down, Wendy and Candace want Gazelle to like them, 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:14.400 and the struggles in the beginning was what you said. 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:15.840 We all want to be accepted. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.480 It's just it's human nature and there's not one person 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.360 in this world who has never felt that way. You 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:24.920 may not feel that way as much getting older, but 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.920 in every scenario that you're in one of those, you want. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:28.600 To feel accepted. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.600 He said that the girls want Gazell to accept them, 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.600 and he said that when you if you really played 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:42.520 close attention to the earlier seasons, he said, Wendy wanted 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:48.559 Gazel's approval, and that's why when Monique and Candace had 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.960 that altercation, Wendy sided with Gazelle immediately. And obviously there's 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.960 questions though who was right or wrong. We're not going 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:00.800 to get into that. And then Candace said recently that 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.839 the only reason why Giselle had her side during the 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.120 altercation with Monique is because she hated Monique. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.600 She never liked Candace. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.880 She just she wanted Monique out and she used Candace 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.200 as proxy to do it. And they all said, if 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.439 you really pay a close attention to the show. Wendy 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.839 and Candace were looking for Giselle's approval and when. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:25.560 They didn't get it, and. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:31.520 She was obviously so overtly, you know, not the nicest 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.040 to them that it hurt them. And when you see 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.640 Candace cry when it comes to her friendships with Robin, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.160 even Giselle is because she really wanted their acceptance. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.200 Absolutely. I mean we've talked about this before. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.640 Everyone who comes into Potomach they want Giselle's acceptance. So 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.280 whether you call her the Queen Deee, the Regina George 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:57.000 of the group, whatever, for whatever reason, when people come 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.600 to the something, We've seen it with every newbie, they 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.520 want Zelle's acceptance. Even you know, you brought up Mommy. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.000 You can see her money got off to a rocky start. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.120 But the moment Gizelle kind of accepted Monique, Monique was 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.040 all in with her with that relationship, right, And it's 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.959 very obvious there's something about Gazelle that people just. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.280 Want acceptance from, except for Karen. 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:19.960 I feel like Karen is the only one who's like, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.000 I could go either way. But I think that's because 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.760 they already had a history before the show, and she 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.960 has Gazelle's number. It's like, I don't need you to 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.160 accept me, like you know, the Grand dam doesn't need anybody, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.400 all right, But yeah, I think everybody that comes through 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:38.880 the show wants to be accepted by Gazelle for whatever reason. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.400 And it's not you know, like she's a beautiful woman, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.400 but they're all beautiful, you know what I'm saying. I 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.480 don't know if it's just Gazelle's attitude of like, I 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.880 couldn't care less about any of this. So when you 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.079 meet a person who couldn't care less about anything, the 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.200 one thing you want is for them to actually care 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:54.080 about you. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.280 So maybe that's what it is. But it's something about. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.760 That damn Giselle that people just want her acceptance, and 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.440 I understand if that could be hurtful to not have it, 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.080 especially if you go from having it and then there's 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.000 a fallout and you no longer have it. She seems 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.600 so disinterested in even trying to build anything with Candace, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.760 and that could also be herful of Candace is on 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.400 the side of the aisle where she's like, I'm willing 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.520 to forgive her, but then Gisella is like, I don't 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:25.960 really care if you forgive me or not. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.800 I don't want anything to do with you. That's hurtful. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.760 And this is just speaking as like a human being. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.920 It's not like Candace personally Giselle personally, Like that's hurtful 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.440 when you want someone to like you, or you know, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.560 you want to walk in forgiveness with them and they 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:40.720 just don't even care about it. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.680 No, but you listen, you are one hundred percent right 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.240 to me, because this isn't us sort of recapping the season. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:52.480 It's more so about the psychology of Potomac. And the 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.560 only thing I can say to you is two things. First, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.320 when you met Giselle when you were my EP the 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:04.960 podcast and we did a zoom interview, you even said 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.440 to her and to me, I don't want I don't 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.240 wanna speak for you, so just say what you said. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.760 No, Giselle was so nice, like she was so cool. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.520 She was cracking jokes, like she was being like the 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.360 Giselle that we see her be on the show. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.840 That's who she was when we had her on Reality 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:23.320 with the King. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.120 And I always say this stuff because people ask me, like, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.840 when you know they see that you have certain house fives, 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.320 their reality starts was such and such mean or how 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.840 were they I'm like, everybody was nice to me. But 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.200 I also recognize I'm in a specific position when I 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.760 was their EP. They're coming into the show and I'm 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:44.600 your EP. No one's gonna be rude to the executive producer, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.560 you know, like the of the host of the show 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:47.480 right or of the show. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.240 So I do recognize that there was. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.880 Almost like a privileged position that I was sitting in 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.440 to meet these women. But maybe they were nicer to 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.200 me than they would normally be if I was just 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.280 you know, Joe Schmoe on the street, or if I 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.440 were one of their cats. I have found it harder 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.480 to jump on the hate train of Giselle because I 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:11.440 have met her and she wasn't this awful evil person 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:12.760 that she's. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.520 Made up to be. I'm not saying she's a great person. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:15.800 I don't. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.000 I'm not saying I agree with her actions and the 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.280 thing she displayed because I thought her laughing at Candace 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.840 crying was terribly juvenile. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.000 But I haven't. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.520 Experienced her personally to be a bad person. But that's 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.080 also why I'm teen Candace, because I've experienced Candicce more 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:35.000 times than i've met Gazelle, and she's so sweet, so lovable, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.440 so supportive of just like black women doing anything that 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.360 I am all often taken it back by the hate 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:42.840 that she gets from other black women. So I'm like, 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.640 if y'all knew this woman, she is, she is rooting 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.680 for whatever you're doing. Like, she is such a supporter 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.000 of black women. So it's always like it's a tangled 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.840 web of like being in proximity with these people and 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.080 then like witnessing how they are treated based on the show. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.000 It's often disconnected to me. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.000 Yeah, no, it is, it is. It is. 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.679 And obviously I have been around Gazelle. We have a 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.960 great rapport and that's the reason why last week I said, 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.600 well the real Gazelle Brian stand up, because the Gazelle 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.639 I see on the show is not the Gizelle I 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.600 met in person and been around. Those are two different people, 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.840 and it's interesting to know that there is a side 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.560 of her that I do see on the show that 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:33.760 I don't understand. And I agree with you that in 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.280 any sort of situation, whether you're at a work or 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.159 amongst your friend group, you do want to be able 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:46.560 to have the sort of leader like you and at 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.760 the end of the day, Gizelle is that leader. But 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.679 when it comes to the psychology of the show that 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.720 we're seeing, and I want to get your thoughts. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.680 After watching the three part reunion the cast. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.960 It's so disjointed that you can tell that they were 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.679 told like try to get along and make amends. And 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.960 even Candace said that she was told to hold back. 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.360 I don't know when I read it. I didn't read 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.040 it like as a quote from Candace. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.399 I read it as like someone saying that that's what 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:17.920 they heard. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:19.720 So I was like, I don't know how true this is, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.199 but that is official. Like Candace said that out of 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:22.640 her mouth. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.040 Yeah, she said she was told to like pretty much 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.440 hold back. Because obviously if you look at the reunion, 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.720 and I believe this was part three, when she sort 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.760 of looked off camera said y'all want me to make 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.000 up with this? You know that sort of gave an 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.880 idea that, yeah, and it's what you said too, let's 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:42.840 have a real conversation. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:44.440 I want this show to do well. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:51.680 However, I am afraid of the future because I too 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:57.040 felt that Candace was the future. And one thing I 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:01.440 know about producing reality shows is when you have somebody 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:07.960 who we saw all these milestones. The wedding happened, the 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.359 first time she was a home buyer, you know, we 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.679 saw that happen. We saw glimpses of her being a 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.280 step mom, and we saw this journey of her wanting 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.680 to have a baby, and now that she's having a baby, 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.720 and I believe she is at this point fourteen weeks pregnant. 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.439 The fact that we're not able to see that, it's 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:34.280 equivalent to us not being able to see Kenya Moore 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.480 have a baby. Like there's just certain things where you're like, 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.160 we were on this journey and we want to see 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:46.760 this payoff, and it's unfortunate that this woman who has 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.919 all this story is gone. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.119 But we have to deal with Ashley. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.199 Darby, which is the biggest fumble for me. 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.800 Like you guys like Candice walk Away when she's about 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:04.160 to to have a baby, but you're keeping Ashley, who's 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.879 not gonna give us anything more than she's given us. 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.560 If she really is dating someone, she may she might 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.160 want to give a dating storyline, but that doesn't even 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.000 seem to be true, right, Like Ashley just doesn't seem 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:16.760 to be very. 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.960 Forthcoming, and I'm like, you're keeping her you're. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.000 Keeping Giselle, who, like I have said multiple times, is 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.120 not going to give us more than what she gave us. 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.440 That boy she was playing with last season. 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.639 He was dating some girl the whole time allegedly. 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.080 Well I never bought that they were dating for real anyway, 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.960 Like stop playing about your pace. Okay, that's the extent though, 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:40.119 that we're gonna ever get of Gizelle's like dating life, 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.199 you know what I'm saying, Like the stuff with her 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.400 her daughters, that's always going to be like really good TV. 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.040 But Gizelle just isn't willing to give us as much. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.240 Like we've seen candases like strain relationship with her mother, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.840 you know what I'm saying. We've seen like how that 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:55.760 has gone back and forth and seems to be like 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.239 on the up and up. Right, She's shown us so 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.720 much more, and I feel like she is at the 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.520 point of her life she would still be ready to 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.119