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Speaker 1: still talking and tweeting about. Hey rain Drops, Yes, the
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Speaker 1: who said to me.
Speaker 2: I want to say a year ago or closer.
Speaker 1: To that, that she was checking out a Potomac and
Speaker 1: she wanted the show to be centered around Candice Dillark Bassett.
Speaker 2: So we have a lot to catch up on.
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Speaker 3: because I heard he can be litigious.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, That's why I'm not saying. I'm not
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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I posted a selfie once and said the pop father,
Speaker 1: and the girl said, that's so Assult's name.
Speaker 2: I said, I wanted to know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, Like I'll stay with the kid in reality television.
Speaker 2: Let me let me.
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Speaker 1: the rain Drops have been requesting you. A few of
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Speaker 1: that they're like, bring Jasmine back.
Speaker 3: I always feel the love. I feel like you have
Speaker 3: one of the best like fan bases. The rain Drops
Speaker 3: are so supportive. They've always been really, really nice. There
Speaker 3: have been a couple of shady comments here and there,
Speaker 3: but the good definitely outweighs the bad. And you know,
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Speaker 3: always you know, I'm always your love that I never
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Speaker 1: It's fun because I'm like, I get to talk to
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Speaker 2: So let's get the people what they want.
Speaker 1: And we're all wearing black because we're morning Candace Dealer Bassett.
Speaker 4: My kangle isn't prepared, dang.
Speaker 2: It, Oh girl, Sorry Candace.
Speaker 1: So look, you once said to me that you felt
Speaker 1: that the show should be centered around Candace.
Speaker 2: And the way.
Speaker 1: We all know where we were when OJ Simpson had
Speaker 1: the Bronco being chased by the police rip. We all
Speaker 1: know where we were when OJ had the Bronco. We
Speaker 1: know where we were when the verdict of OJ came down.
Speaker 1: We know where we were when we.
Speaker 2: Found out Kyle and Marisia were separated.
Speaker 1: We know where we were when we were realized we
Speaker 1: can never buy a white refrigerator after Nini Leeg said.
Speaker 3: Why refrigerator should stew her ass because she's single handedly
Speaker 3: ruined everything, Like if I walk into a place with
Speaker 3: a wire refrigerator.
Speaker 4: Oh no, honey, what is this?
Speaker 1: So where were you when you learned that Candace Diller
Speaker 1: Bassett was leaving the show?
Speaker 4: I think I was lying in my bed.
Speaker 3: I was resting because I'm getting a lot of rest
Speaker 3: these days. I wasn't doing much, but I remember being
Speaker 3: so shocked, like she's leaving. But I was happy when
Speaker 3: I read it and saw that she was leaving on
Speaker 3: her own. She made the choice to leave. She was
Speaker 3: not fired, because I was going to have a lot
Speaker 3: of questions if they were letting Candace go. But I'm
Speaker 3: actually happy Candace made the decision to leave, especially with
Speaker 3: the news that followed about the expansion of her family.
Speaker 4: So I am sad.
Speaker 3: To see her go because I really think if we're
Speaker 3: talking about a future.
Speaker 4: Of Potomac in the show, she fits that bill.
Speaker 3: But after watching the parts the three parts of the reunion,
Speaker 3: Candace does not have a friend on that cast. She
Speaker 3: does not have one friend on that cast, and that's
Speaker 3: not an environment that you want to be in when
Speaker 3: you're pregnant and bringing a new life into this world.
Speaker 3: So good on you, Candy, Honey.
Speaker 2: Let's dive right into it.
Speaker 1: So you watch all three parts Reunion only because you
Speaker 1: knew I was going to talk to you. So before
Speaker 1: we get into the questionable friends that Candace doesn't have
Speaker 1: in terms of what you think she doesn't have, how
Speaker 1: checked out were you this past season.
Speaker 4: The Austin episode. I remember making a video. It might
Speaker 4: have been the episode.
Speaker 2: Prior it went viral, by the way, I don't even.
Speaker 3: Know what viral means at this point, but yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: take it. I will take it. I will take it.
Speaker 3: I made a video about how a comfortable it was
Speaker 3: to watch them just kind of ice Candace out and
Speaker 3: just be not cohesive as a group.
Speaker 4: It was really hard to watch.
Speaker 3: I remember watching that, and I remember the Austin trip happens,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's a trip that I could call
Speaker 3: my friends up and we could take on a Wednesday.
Speaker 3: I watched these shows because of the aspirational lifestyles, because
Speaker 3: of the opulence of wealth, right. I watched this to
Speaker 3: get a peek into people's lifestyles that I'm not familiar with,
Speaker 3: and that was something that I could just do on
Speaker 3: a regular day, and so I just felt like when
Speaker 3: you add that to just the way that the cast
Speaker 3: feels like, the vibe, the negativity, you know, a pair
Speaker 3: with the trips that are just very subpar, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't think this is for me. I think they've
Speaker 3: officially lost the plot. They've officially lost the plot.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's hilarious that you and I both
Speaker 1: stopped watching this season during the autin trip, and it's
Speaker 1: indicative of the similarities that the audience feels. It's sort
Speaker 1: of the breaking point that we all had at the
Speaker 1: same time, because you and I are not alone in that.
Speaker 1: I think the reason why our percentage of people did
Speaker 1: check out of the show is because, look, we know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, these people aren't real friends.
Speaker 1: The conceit of now we're real friends we like hangout
Speaker 1: off camera, we know that's not the case, and look,
Speaker 1: I have shows where some of these people do not
Speaker 1: hang out off camera, and so that's not even the
Speaker 1: case because we still watch we loved Atlanta Housewives when
Speaker 1: we knew that some of y'all don't really hang out
Speaker 1: with each other.
Speaker 2: But what made our favorite shows.
Speaker 1: The favorite is because at least they all clocked in
Speaker 1: and said, look, while we're a part of this institution
Speaker 1: for three to four months, let's do our best to
Speaker 1: figure things out. And I think for us it was
Speaker 1: sort of like, you guys don't like each other.
Speaker 2: You guys do not want to be around each other.
Speaker 1: The isolation and the ostracization of Candice bothered me and
Speaker 1: I and it bothered me in a way where listen,
Speaker 1: we all or know someone who felt isolated.
Speaker 2: When we were in school.
Speaker 1: You know, if you had a parent that transferred you
Speaker 1: to different schools, that's tough. I was somebody who moved.
Speaker 1: I went to like three elementary schools, right, And I
Speaker 1: just remember always feeling alone, like people aren't really messed
Speaker 1: with me because I'm a new kid on the block.
Speaker 1: And I felt that Candace represented that person, that child,
Speaker 1: and all of us who had that experience. And I
Speaker 1: just felt it was like, I don't want to watch
Speaker 1: a show where this one woman is being isolated and
Speaker 1: she's around a bunch of women who don't see it
Speaker 1: for her. And when it comes to her friends, I
Speaker 1: always thought Wendy was her friend in real life. Do
Speaker 1: you not think that Wendy is Canvas's real friend.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, I don't think that's her enemy.
Speaker 3: I don't think she's her op or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I just feel like they have a friendship of convenience
Speaker 3: Garcel and Sutton right on Beverly Hills Real Health Tives
Speaker 3: of Beverly Hills. I think Wendy and Candace both don't
Speaker 3: feel super welcome within the group, and so it makes
Speaker 3: them being friends feel like the best fit. And yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why I say, like, Candis doesn't have a friend
Speaker 3: on the show, And I think you're right too. Like
Speaker 3: I was watching the reunion and like watching Candace cry
Speaker 3: kind of like she cries a lot, right, And I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm a very sensitive woman myself, so I
Speaker 3: cry often. But I was feeling like, man, I think
Speaker 3: Candace is crying and she's so sensitive with this group
Speaker 3: because it's like she can't do anything really like right
Speaker 3: with them, right, And it's like, yep, I don't see
Speaker 3: her overtly trying to prove herself as you know, good
Speaker 3: enough or to be accepted. I don't think that's how
Speaker 3: Candace is. But I do think Candace does have all
Speaker 3: the components that should be well accepted and she's just not.
Speaker 3: And I think that really does bother her. But that's
Speaker 3: also why I say, girl, you're pregnant, you're about to
Speaker 3: have your baby.
Speaker 4: You don't need to be around a group.
Speaker 3: Of people who are making you feel the way that
Speaker 3: these women seem to make you feel on a day
Speaker 3: to day basis.
Speaker 4: Just be done with it.
Speaker 3: But I do I agree with you. I think Candish
Speaker 3: just feels super ostracized from the group. She doesn't feel accepted,
Speaker 3: and I think she does. You know, we all want
Speaker 3: to be accepted. Like, yes, it's no shame when I
Speaker 3: said that, we all want to be accepted, especially when
Speaker 3: you're in a group like this on a reality TV show.
Speaker 4: You want to be well received and well liked.
Speaker 1: One of my rain drops said to me, and I
Speaker 1: would love to get your point of view on this,
Speaker 1: because I do think he has a good point. Hi
Speaker 1: Janelle on Twitter, I call him mister Gobadi Bryant because
Speaker 1: he is a gazelle stand and a porsious stance. So
Speaker 1: Hi Janelle, I love him, he said on Twitter. And
Speaker 1: I was like, this is very interesting and I would
Speaker 1: love to get your point of view.
Speaker 2: He said, that with Giselle being the.
Speaker 1: Queen Bee of the show, that if we want to
Speaker 1: break it down, Wendy and Candace want Gazelle to like them,
Speaker 1: and the struggles in the beginning was what you said.
Speaker 2: We all want to be accepted.
Speaker 1: It's just it's human nature and there's not one person
Speaker 1: in this world who has never felt that way. You
Speaker 1: may not feel that way as much getting older, but
Speaker 1: in every scenario that you're in one of those, you want.
Speaker 2: To feel accepted.
Speaker 1: He said that the girls want Gazell to accept them,
Speaker 1: and he said that when you if you really played
Speaker 1: close attention to the earlier seasons, he said, Wendy wanted
Speaker 1: Gazel's approval, and that's why when Monique and Candace had
Speaker 1: that altercation, Wendy sided with Gazelle immediately. And obviously there's
Speaker 1: questions though who was right or wrong. We're not going
Speaker 1: to get into that. And then Candace said recently that
Speaker 1: the only reason why Giselle had her side during the
Speaker 1: altercation with Monique is because she hated Monique.
Speaker 2: She never liked Candace.
Speaker 1: She just she wanted Monique out and she used Candace
Speaker 1: as proxy to do it. And they all said, if
Speaker 1: you really pay a close attention to the show. Wendy
Speaker 1: and Candace were looking for Giselle's approval and when.
Speaker 2: They didn't get it, and.
Speaker 1: She was obviously so overtly, you know, not the nicest
Speaker 1: to them that it hurt them. And when you see
Speaker 1: Candace cry when it comes to her friendships with Robin,
Speaker 1: even Giselle is because she really wanted their acceptance.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean we've talked about this before.
Speaker 3: Everyone who comes into Potomach they want Giselle's acceptance. So
Speaker 3: whether you call her the Queen Deee, the Regina George
Speaker 3: of the group, whatever, for whatever reason, when people come
Speaker 3: to the something, We've seen it with every newbie, they
Speaker 3: want Zelle's acceptance. Even you know, you brought up Mommy.
Speaker 3: You can see her money got off to a rocky start.
Speaker 3: But the moment Gizelle kind of accepted Monique, Monique was
Speaker 3: all in with her with that relationship, right, And it's
Speaker 3: very obvious there's something about Gazelle that people just.
Speaker 4: Want acceptance from, except for Karen.
Speaker 3: I feel like Karen is the only one who's like,
Speaker 3: I could go either way. But I think that's because
Speaker 3: they already had a history before the show, and she
Speaker 3: has Gazelle's number. It's like, I don't need you to
Speaker 3: accept me, like you know, the Grand dam doesn't need anybody,
Speaker 3: all right, But yeah, I think everybody that comes through
Speaker 3: the show wants to be accepted by Gazelle for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: And it's not you know, like she's a beautiful woman,
Speaker 3: but they're all beautiful, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's just Gazelle's attitude of like, I
Speaker 3: couldn't care less about any of this. So when you
Speaker 3: meet a person who couldn't care less about anything, the
Speaker 3: one thing you want is for them to actually care
Speaker 3: about you.
Speaker 4: So maybe that's what it is. But it's something about.
Speaker 3: That damn Giselle that people just want her acceptance, and
Speaker 3: I understand if that could be hurtful to not have it,
Speaker 3: especially if you go from having it and then there's
Speaker 3: a fallout and you no longer have it. She seems
Speaker 3: so disinterested in even trying to build anything with Candace,
Speaker 3: and that could also be herful of Candace is on
Speaker 3: the side of the aisle where she's like, I'm willing
Speaker 3: to forgive her, but then Gisella is like, I don't
Speaker 3: really care if you forgive me or not.
Speaker 4: I don't want anything to do with you. That's hurtful.
Speaker 4: And this is just speaking as like a human being.
Speaker 3: It's not like Candace personally Giselle personally, Like that's hurtful
Speaker 3: when you want someone to like you, or you know,
Speaker 3: you want to walk in forgiveness with them and they
Speaker 3: just don't even care about it.
Speaker 1: No, but you listen, you are one hundred percent right
Speaker 1: to me, because this isn't us sort of recapping the season.
Speaker 1: It's more so about the psychology of Potomac. And the
Speaker 1: only thing I can say to you is two things. First,
Speaker 1: when you met Giselle when you were my EP the
Speaker 1: podcast and we did a zoom interview, you even said
Speaker 1: to her and to me, I don't want I don't
Speaker 1: wanna speak for you, so just say what you said.
Speaker 4: No, Giselle was so nice, like she was so cool.
Speaker 3: She was cracking jokes, like she was being like the
Speaker 3: Giselle that we see her be on the show.
Speaker 4: That's who she was when we had her on Reality
Speaker 4: with the King.
Speaker 3: And I always say this stuff because people ask me, like,
Speaker 3: when you know they see that you have certain house fives,
Speaker 3: their reality starts was such and such mean or how
Speaker 3: were they I'm like, everybody was nice to me. But
Speaker 3: I also recognize I'm in a specific position when I
Speaker 3: was their EP. They're coming into the show and I'm
Speaker 3: your EP. No one's gonna be rude to the executive producer,
Speaker 3: you know, like the of the host of the show
Speaker 3: right or of the show.
Speaker 4: So I do recognize that there was.
Speaker 3: Almost like a privileged position that I was sitting in
Speaker 3: to meet these women. But maybe they were nicer to
Speaker 3: me than they would normally be if I was just
Speaker 3: you know, Joe Schmoe on the street, or if I
Speaker 3: were one of their cats. I have found it harder
Speaker 3: to jump on the hate train of Giselle because I
Speaker 3: have met her and she wasn't this awful evil person
Speaker 3: that she's.
Speaker 4: Made up to be. I'm not saying she's a great person.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I agree with her actions and the
Speaker 3: thing she displayed because I thought her laughing at Candace
Speaker 3: crying was terribly juvenile.
Speaker 4: But I haven't.
Speaker 3: Experienced her personally to be a bad person. But that's
Speaker 3: also why I'm teen Candace, because I've experienced Candicce more
Speaker 3: times than i've met Gazelle, and she's so sweet, so lovable,
Speaker 3: so supportive of just like black women doing anything that
Speaker 3: I am all often taken it back by the hate
Speaker 3: that she gets from other black women. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: if y'all knew this woman, she is, she is rooting
Speaker 3: for whatever you're doing. Like, she is such a supporter
Speaker 3: of black women. So it's always like it's a tangled
Speaker 3: web of like being in proximity with these people and
Speaker 3: then like witnessing how they are treated based on the show.
Speaker 4: It's often disconnected to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is, it is. It is.
Speaker 1: And obviously I have been around Gazelle. We have a
Speaker 1: great rapport and that's the reason why last week I said,
Speaker 1: well the real Gazelle Brian stand up, because the Gazelle
Speaker 1: I see on the show is not the Gizelle I
Speaker 1: met in person and been around. Those are two different people,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting to know that there is a side
Speaker 1: of her that I do see on the show that
Speaker 1: I don't understand. And I agree with you that in
Speaker 1: any sort of situation, whether you're at a work or
Speaker 1: amongst your friend group, you do want to be able
Speaker 1: to have the sort of leader like you and at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Gizelle is that leader. But
Speaker 1: when it comes to the psychology of the show that
Speaker 1: we're seeing, and I want to get your thoughts.
Speaker 2: After watching the three part reunion the cast.
Speaker 1: It's so disjointed that you can tell that they were
Speaker 1: told like try to get along and make amends. And
Speaker 1: even Candace said that she was told to hold back.
Speaker 4: I don't know when I read it. I didn't read
Speaker 4: it like as a quote from Candace.
Speaker 3: I read it as like someone saying that that's what
Speaker 3: they heard.
Speaker 4: So I was like, I don't know how true this is,
Speaker 4: but that is official. Like Candace said that out of
Speaker 4: her mouth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said she was told to like pretty much
Speaker 1: hold back. Because obviously if you look at the reunion,
Speaker 1: and I believe this was part three, when she sort
Speaker 1: of looked off camera said y'all want me to make
Speaker 1: up with this? You know that sort of gave an
Speaker 1: idea that, yeah, and it's what you said too, let's
Speaker 1: have a real conversation.
Speaker 2: I want this show to do well.
Speaker 1: However, I am afraid of the future because I too
Speaker 1: felt that Candace was the future. And one thing I
Speaker 1: know about producing reality shows is when you have somebody
Speaker 1: who we saw all these milestones. The wedding happened, the
Speaker 1: first time she was a home buyer, you know, we
Speaker 1: saw that happen. We saw glimpses of her being a
Speaker 1: step mom, and we saw this journey of her wanting
Speaker 1: to have a baby, and now that she's having a baby,
Speaker 1: and I believe she is at this point fourteen weeks pregnant.
Speaker 1: The fact that we're not able to see that, it's
Speaker 1: equivalent to us not being able to see Kenya Moore
Speaker 1: have a baby. Like there's just certain things where you're like,
Speaker 1: we were on this journey and we want to see
Speaker 1: this payoff, and it's unfortunate that this woman who has
Speaker 1: all this story is gone.
Speaker 2: But we have to deal with Ashley.
Speaker 4: Darby, which is the biggest fumble for me.
Speaker 3: Like you guys like Candice walk Away when she's about
Speaker 3: to to have a baby, but you're keeping Ashley, who's
Speaker 3: not gonna give us anything more than she's given us.
Speaker 3: If she really is dating someone, she may she might
Speaker 3: want to give a dating storyline, but that doesn't even
Speaker 3: seem to be true, right, Like Ashley just doesn't seem
Speaker 3: to be very.
Speaker 4: Forthcoming, and I'm like, you're keeping her you're.
Speaker 3: Keeping Giselle, who, like I have said multiple times, is
Speaker 3: not going to give us more than what she gave us.
Speaker 4: That boy she was playing with last season.
Speaker 2: He was dating some girl the whole time allegedly.
Speaker 3: Well I never bought that they were dating for real anyway,
Speaker 3: Like stop playing about your pace. Okay, that's the extent though,
Speaker 3: that we're gonna ever get of Gizelle's like dating life,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like the stuff with her
Speaker 3: her daughters, that's always going to be like really good TV.
Speaker 4: But Gizelle just isn't willing to give us as much.
Speaker 3: Like we've seen candases like strain relationship with her mother,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. We've seen like how that
Speaker 3: has gone back and forth and seems to be like
Speaker 3: on the up and up. Right, She's shown us so
Speaker 3: much more, and I feel like she is at the
Speaker 3: point of her life she would still be ready to
Speaker 3: give and we're not gonna be able to see it.
Speaker 3: But we're stuck kind of with these sagnant storylines and
Speaker 3: people who are just gonna wait until they get new
Speaker 3: cast members and kind of dig deeply into their lives
Speaker 3: and try to make things hell for them, and that's
Speaker 3: gonna be the cycle and that's not good for the
Speaker 3: future of Potomacs.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the future of Doctor Wendy.
Speaker 3: I'll say this, I think that Doctor Wendy's not beating
Speaker 3: the allegations of not wanting another like Nigerian girl on
Speaker 3: the show, because as I sat and watched the reunion,
Speaker 3: I said, I actually, I'm actually buying into that theory
Speaker 3: now because she's see the way in the way that
Speaker 3: Giselle is so disinterested in building any feeling Candice. Wendy
Speaker 3: seems the same way with Mecca, like there's no room
Speaker 3: for resolve, like I have no desire to be cool
Speaker 3: with these very dismissive of her, just kind of like
Speaker 3: paying her the I mean, the three times that Nika
Speaker 3: did say something in the reunion, Wendy paid it okay,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, when we found out she was froking Wisconsin,
Speaker 3: I'm promost talking to but yeah, it was it was
Speaker 3: very much like I have no desire to be friends
Speaker 3: with this person. And I think for that reason, I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know if I don't want to see.
Speaker 4: Anything else from Wendy, because that just felt achy to me.
Speaker 3: Like Mekka brought it up like we could have been
Speaker 3: the first two, like Nigerian sisters.
Speaker 4: They could have taken it and Wendy was not interested
Speaker 4: in doing that. It never was.
Speaker 1: But would YouTube and somebody say your mama was a
Speaker 1: witch and practices witchcraft. I just don't listen, No shade,
Speaker 1: you talked about my mama being a witch and does
Speaker 1: the seance and all that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could be friends with you, though,
Speaker 2: Jazz Cluche.
Speaker 4: If you talk about mama biscuits, we might have to.
Speaker 4: You're you're right, but I do like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think you just watching the interaction.
Speaker 3: You know, when you get to a point and watch
Speaker 3: the reality TV for so long, you start to just
Speaker 3: we were talking about the psychology of everything. You start
Speaker 3: to just watch people like body language and their actions
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, the aftermath of what Neka did, you
Speaker 3: shouldn't fuck with her, but I do. But like I said,
Speaker 3: she's not beating the allegations that she just didn't want
Speaker 3: another Nigerian person on their period. Maybe it was personally
Speaker 3: personal about Mecca, but she's not beating those allegations.
Speaker 4: In my mind, I got your remember Wendy.
Speaker 2: Oh Lord Jesus, this is interesting. I will say this.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Mekka, and I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: why to have a three part reunion and you are
Speaker 1: a housewife and you only spoke three times and listen, listen.
Speaker 2: That Neca versus.
Speaker 1: Wendy was honestly the biggest drama of the entire season.
Speaker 1: So the fact that it was reduced to a ten
Speaker 1: minute if that conversation, we had three hours of television
Speaker 1: and the biggest drama this season that was reduced to
Speaker 1: ten minutes. I felt bad for Neka because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about you, Sis, I know nothing
Speaker 1: about you. And I was like, because of that, I
Speaker 1: want you to come back only because I'm like, let's
Speaker 1: give you another chance.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 1: But to your point, look, one thing I love about
Speaker 1: doctor Wendy is you never have to worry about how
Speaker 1: she's feeling about you. So when she very much threw
Speaker 1: Ashley under the bus and said, how about you explain.
Speaker 2: It because you brought it up, I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you know it actually goes to the Sesame school,
Speaker 1: you know, Sesame Street school.
Speaker 2: Child, I actually don't know anything but Barney and.
Speaker 1: You know how to be a TikTok influencer, Like she
Speaker 1: doesn't have the level of you know, intelligence to explain
Speaker 1: that for us.
Speaker 2: Right, So when she clocked.
Speaker 1: That, and when she pretty much told Andy about Mecca,
Speaker 1: not once, but twice, I can coexist with her if
Speaker 1: that wasn't a nanny leak's phrase. When it came to
Speaker 1: how she used to feel about the girl's honey, I
Speaker 1: said hi because need even walking.
Speaker 2: Remember in a group scene, Hi, dath.
Speaker 1: Man, she would do this what Paul and do and
Speaker 1: running across so she could say, I said hi to everybody.
Speaker 2: So when doctor Wendy said that this is no shade
Speaker 2: I lack.
Speaker 1: And I said, doctor, to your point and her body language,
Speaker 1: Doctor Wendy wants no parts of Mecca. It is rumored
Speaker 1: that Mekka has been fired. Do you think that's fair?
Speaker 3: Yes, because I'm very indifferent on Mecca, Like I don't
Speaker 3: care about her as like a housewife, not as a person.
Speaker 3: I feel like I always have to give that disclaimer
Speaker 3: because it sounds harsh, like I'm sure these people are
Speaker 3: fine in real life, but as a housewife, she did
Speaker 3: nothing for me, Like I was so disappointed in her reunion,
Speaker 3: like her performance at the reunion, because there was even
Speaker 3: a point where they show her backstage and she was saying,
Speaker 3: I gotta say something. Somebody's like, you need to you
Speaker 3: need to say more. Otherwise it looks like you're just watching, Sweetie.
Speaker 3: You were meet, We were the same, We both just
Speaker 3: sitting there spectating, watching the girls go back and forth.
Speaker 3: I've probably talked more to my television. Van Eka talked
Speaker 3: to these girls at the reunion. It was a flop
Speaker 3: of a reunion performance. And if she got fired for that,
Speaker 3: that is just the way the cookie crumbles. That was
Speaker 3: your time to really show up and you you you
Speaker 3: didn't and I have not. I'm here for entertainment. You
Speaker 3: didn't entertain me. We could move on to the next.
Speaker 4: Beautiful gowns though.
Speaker 2: Not a reason.
Speaker 4: Oh that was my girl? Okay, ree, what's my girl?
Speaker 2: Ree?
Speaker 4: What's my girl? Rest in peace to that queen?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh r I p to the queen Utie, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: yes yes.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Robin being fired? Smart decision
Speaker 1: or bad one?
Speaker 3: I saw it coming with the whole like putting her
Speaker 3: story about wine behind the paywall. Smarter or bad decision?
Speaker 3: Though that's hard for me, you know, I've historically called
Speaker 3: her Robin paint Jay Dixon because in the beginning I
Speaker 3: felt like she like she just didn't do it for me.
Speaker 3: But I will say though, her relationship dynamic with Wine
Speaker 3: is so interesting that like that's always gonna be like
Speaker 3: a source of entertainment. I do think though, if her
Speaker 3: and Wine are really serious about being married, it was
Speaker 3: probably a good thing for their relationship because he was
Speaker 3: so checked out.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I don't know the juries out.
Speaker 4: The jury's out on that.
Speaker 3: Because I think if Giselle doesn't have a Robin next season,
Speaker 3: it's either going to be really really good or really
Speaker 3: really bad because they play so well off of each other.
Speaker 3: So like, is it good for Robin as Robin the individual?
Speaker 3: Probably the best thing? Is it good for the show
Speaker 3: if they're keeping Gazelle.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Jerry's out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just said I think Robin being gone is
Speaker 1: going to be a wake up call to Giselle in
Speaker 1: terms of you have to foster some relationships.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 1: I can't go another season of having her and Wendy
Speaker 1: not speak to each other. I just I just can't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 4: So Wendy is coming back because there was a rumor
Speaker 4: that she was not coming back.
Speaker 2: No, she's coming back.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean Giselle, Wendy, MIA's coming back for sure,
Speaker 3: Ashley Darby Yep, those are the.
Speaker 4: Only four confirmed so far.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, let me tell you something about I
Speaker 3: can't Baren. Karen is what they with the network. I
Speaker 3: think in the production company wants Gizelle to be like
Speaker 3: Karen is when I think of Potomac and if you're
Speaker 3: going to anchor someone on the show called The Real
Speaker 3: Housewives of Potomac.
Speaker 4: Karen has the connections, she has the intact marriage. I
Speaker 4: mean the institution. My bad.
Speaker 3: She has the institution, she has the grown children that
Speaker 3: are doing pretty well in life. Like she is what
Speaker 3: I think of when I think about Potomac, and like,
Speaker 3: I'm just so shocked at how much Gizelle has become
Speaker 3: the face of the show and not Karen but Karen, Gizzel, Mio, Wendy, Ashley.
Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, that's weird.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say to say, Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: go ahead, you.
Speaker 3: Got That's that's that's really weird to me because we
Speaker 3: know that Giselle and Ashley are locked in. They literally
Speaker 3: have a business together Wendy is on an island along.
Speaker 2: You know, they get they get along. They're not friends,
Speaker 2: they get along.
Speaker 3: And your expert Attenion go ahead. As an executive reality
Speaker 3: television producer, how do you round out this cast? You
Speaker 3: have Karen who's like the motherly, the matriarch, you have
Speaker 3: Giselle who's the bone collector, you have Ashley who's bone
Speaker 3: collector junior, and you have Wendy who is just there
Speaker 3: kind of on an island. I think, I think when
Speaker 3: these professional life is really interesting. If we're going to
Speaker 3: get to see her go to the White House at
Speaker 3: some point, let's we should we should see more of that.
Speaker 4: And then you have Mia.
Speaker 3: I think going into next season, if they add no more,
Speaker 3: like let's say they cut this four or five, Mia
Speaker 3: is the most interesting storyline going into the next season period. No.
Speaker 2: I've said this last year.
Speaker 1: I told them last year to build the show around
Speaker 1: Mia because last season, Jasmine I saw some very into
Speaker 1: resting moments in MIA's life, not this past season. Last season,
Speaker 1: the season where she threw the drink on Wendy and
Speaker 1: I once again I told Mia courtesy of the podcast
Speaker 1: how wrong she was, but it was more so about
Speaker 1: her friendship with Jacqueline and her relationship with Gordon, and
Speaker 1: that to me was like, no center the show around her.
Speaker 1: Because we love personal story. I want this show to
Speaker 1: be centered around Mia. I agree that the network and
Speaker 1: the production company probably want Gazelle to give what Karen gives,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, Karen does give
Speaker 1: off the impression that she wants things to be cohesive,
Speaker 1: and Giselle, as beautiful as she is and as funny
Speaker 1: and witty as she is in Shady Right, was missing
Speaker 1: from the Ninnie Leeks University of Reality television is at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you have to be somebody
Speaker 1: to rally the troops.
Speaker 2: You're the face of the show.
Speaker 1: You have to be you have to be somebody who
Speaker 1: could come in and try to do it the way
Speaker 1: Kyle Richards does it right on Beverly Hills. She gets
Speaker 1: into with the girls, but fundamentally she tries to get
Speaker 1: all the girls together. And having this cast of Ashley, Giselle, Wendy,
Speaker 1: Karen and Mia is weird is really bad. Ashley should
Speaker 1: be dropped. Ashley is a great person. I'm not judging
Speaker 1: these women as human beings. I'm judging them. What you
Speaker 1: said off of being a reality star. And I want
Speaker 1: people to understand that I'm judging you off of being
Speaker 1: a reality star, like we judge actors for their acting
Speaker 1: role now what we do at home on a Tuesday
Speaker 1: watching Steve Harvey Show, Like we're judging you based on
Speaker 1: your performance. And I don't want to see Wendy and
Speaker 1: Gazelle not speak. I think the only way this trend
Speaker 1: can move forward we have to see Wendy and Giselle
Speaker 1: have a conversation.
Speaker 2: Did it. I just don't think Giselle.
Speaker 1: Has the reach to have a real conversation with Wendy
Speaker 1: that means something. We saw her try to deal with Monique,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking to myself, this is so fake.
Speaker 1: And the moment they have Monique and Kansas had that altercation,
Speaker 1: that was the one thing Gazelle said, Baby, that's all
Speaker 1: it took for me to go back and not messing
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna drive this bus all the way over.
Speaker 4: Your ass again.
Speaker 3: The remaining Housewives, the Jury, Salona, whoever they decide to
Speaker 3: cast to round them out, the remaining five is really
Speaker 3: a testament to like what I have been feeling is
Speaker 3: that Potomac has lost the plot of like what it
Speaker 3: was originally supposed to be. I think they either go
Speaker 3: all in with women who are like Karen, closer to
Speaker 3: Karen and Giselle's age like kind of in that same
Speaker 3: like life experience, or they just go they skew around
Speaker 3: like the Ashley and the Canvases.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: For some reason, this city in particular has not done
Speaker 3: a good job at just like meshing those two like
Speaker 3: kind of age groups together.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It feels like actually and Candace Nekka at her in
Speaker 3: there like they are great housewives. Well, Candace is a
Speaker 3: great housewife, but they also haven't had like a whole
Speaker 3: lot of life experience, for it's to ftill genuine when
Speaker 3: they are with like a Karen or a Gazelle, right,
Speaker 3: which is why Karen often is coming off as more
Speaker 3: like the mother to these women as opposed to just
Speaker 3: like we're all cast members.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Giselle comes off like the really mean big sister that
Speaker 3: everybody like, it's like my sister, my big sister is
Speaker 3: so mean.
Speaker 4: I just want her to like, let me go hang
Speaker 4: out with.
Speaker 3: You and your friends, right, Mama said you gotta take
Speaker 3: me too, right, you know what I'm saying, Like it
Speaker 3: feels like that because they just haven't found like a
Speaker 3: natural way to like blend these worlds together. And I
Speaker 3: just don't see them recovering or becoming like a really
Speaker 3: good show next season with this core five. And I
Speaker 3: don't know if it even matters who they used to
Speaker 3: round it out. There's something about this cast that just
Speaker 3: isn't connecting, Like there's something about them and there. I say,
Speaker 3: let them do a season without Giselle and see if
Speaker 3: things change.
Speaker 4: Maybe Giselle is.
Speaker 1: The reason no, And I think that's a fair question
Speaker 1: to ask. Is Giselle holding the show back? I think
Speaker 1: that's a fair question to ask. I will say this
Speaker 1: without her having her sidekick with her, it's going to
Speaker 1: be a big test to see what I saw.
Speaker 2: In this three part reunion is what you saw too.
Speaker 1: And she could care less about these girls, you know.
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to Karen is a history there,
Speaker 1: and they listen.
Speaker 2: They're both in on the joke.
Speaker 1: Like the audience likes us our playful nature, so we'll
Speaker 1: give you that. But I think what's missing is the
Speaker 1: depthness of their friendship. And that's what's missing we saw
Speaker 1: with Nini and Cynthia, right Niini and Portia Nini and Kenya,
Speaker 1: you know. And I hate keep bringing up you know, Atlanta,
Speaker 1: but I'm only bringing it up to say, it's what
Speaker 1: you said. Has Potomac lost the plot? Is Giselle holding
Speaker 1: the show back? And I think those are fair questions
Speaker 1: to ask, So rain Drops let me and Jasmine know
Speaker 1: y'all can read her, Honey, you can, you can't.
Speaker 4: You can't read me because I'm in such a confused place.
Speaker 4: I want to say that, right, like some of some
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 3: Things I've said have like contradicted like my feelings in
Speaker 3: the past. But it's because I am just as confused
Speaker 3: as I feel like the network and production are with
Speaker 3: where to go with this show. Like I'm confused as
Speaker 3: a dealer. So I'm like, I don't know how to
Speaker 3: feel now. I'm not excited about the next season. I
Speaker 3: stop watching this season, I stop watching last season. Right,
Speaker 3: It's like they always get me, like I will come
Speaker 3: back for the first first couple of episodes and there's
Speaker 3: somewhere where I'm.
Speaker 4: Just like, I don't like this, and that is that
Speaker 4: is how it's remained for me for like the last
Speaker 4: two or three seasons.
Speaker 3: I get to a point, and I'm like, I actually
Speaker 3: don't like what I'm seeing on TV is not entertaining
Speaker 3: to me anymore. It's maddening at some point, like it's
Speaker 3: triggering for some people, right Like it's just not a
Speaker 3: good entertaining show. Like I'm watching Summerhouse my Visvinyard right now,
Speaker 3: like they have petty drama too.
Speaker 4: But something about it.
Speaker 3: I'm just like it doesn't feel so deep, Like it
Speaker 3: doesn't feel so deep that like at the end of
Speaker 3: this they will never speak to each other again, and
Speaker 3: it's on site when I see each other, like I
Speaker 3: feel like with Potomacs, like there are relationships there that
Speaker 3: can never ever be repaired, like you see them, and
Speaker 3: it's two ships passing in the night, right Like, it
Speaker 3: just feels not it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 4: It's not feel good TV. I don't like it. I'm
Speaker 4: not I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think what you brought up with Summer
Speaker 1: House Martha's being here is true because even when you
Speaker 1: see like Preston and Bria have a moment or Jasmine
Speaker 1: and the girls on that show, it's lighthearted. And even
Speaker 1: the whole thing with Nick and is he is he weird?
Speaker 1: Is he a creep is he touching. It's like real
Speaker 1: healthy conversations, but they're able to move past it because
Speaker 1: it's not that deep. And I think, listen, I think
Speaker 1: some of those girls in Potomac are too busy trying.
Speaker 2: To make TV instead of just be themselves.
Speaker 1: But if the girls, honey, want to support you anything
Speaker 1: you're doing or follow you on social media, let them
Speaker 1: know how and where.
Speaker 3: There's two ways you can supppart me that would be
Speaker 3: huge and mean so much. One, I am developing a
Speaker 3: series me and my Emmy winning friends Antenna. We're developing
Speaker 3: a show called Camp Inner Child, and it is all
Speaker 3: about a group of burned out thirty somethings, your old women.
Speaker 3: We're gonna send them a camp for a week. See
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Speaker 3: focus groups, so if you want to be a part
Speaker 3: of the focus group, go to Campinnerchild dot com and
Speaker 3: then you can like sign up for the email list.
Speaker 3: We'll send out emails when we're going to do the
Speaker 3: focus groups. And it's amazing. The second thing is a
Speaker 3: personal project. It's a book that I wrote. I'm all
Speaker 3: like it needs to be edited, but it's gonna come
Speaker 3: out at some point this year. It's called This Box
Speaker 3: is Too Small, and it's all about the multi hyphened journey.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, I'm gonna send Wendy, I'm gonna send
Speaker 3: you a book because it's all about people who just
Speaker 3: have multiple passions. And it's called this Box is Too Small.
Speaker 3: So if you really want to cop the book when
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Speaker 4: And those are my two things.
Speaker 3: And I'm on all socialists ja Henley Brown, but I'm
Speaker 3: private on the socials right now because that's just where
Speaker 3: I am with my life right now.
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